Jerusalem’s system of checkpoints inside Palestinian neighborhoods of the holy city

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A-Zeitim checkpoint in East Jerusalem, between the neighborhoods of Abu Dis and At-Tur. (Photo: Allison Deger)

A-Zeitim checkpoint in East Jerusalem, between the neighborhoods of Abu Dis and At-Tur. (Photo: Allison Deger)

I’m standing in Jerusalem, but behind a five-lane, metal turn-stop, gated, chain-linked, barbed-wire military instillation. There’s a call box with a button to alert the Israeli army when pedestrians want to pass. Even though I’m in a valley between windswept hills with cinder block houses and black water tanks on their roofs, I feel more like I’m in the parlor of Satre’s No Exit; sometimes the guards answer the buzz of the button, and sometimes the gates roll open, otherwise the checkpoint is locked. And I never know if I can pass through the gate, unless I try to push the metal bars forward. I wonder am I waiting for the checkpoint to open, or is it already open and I just haven’t tried to leave? Am I trapped, or do I imagine that I am trapped?

Welcome to a-Zeitim crossing, one of the newer divisions inside of Jerusalem. Although hailed as an undivided capital, where Jewish-Israelis can trot from neighborhood to neighborhood, increasingly intractable metal is constructed between Palestinian localities. Like plantar warts, these checkpoints spread on the ridges and lowlands, hidden unless I look for them. Before last week I hadn’t heard of a-Zeitim, probably because cars can’t drive through, only foot traffic. And this checkpoint is nestled between Palestinian residential areas in the periphery of Jerusalem.

The checkpoint forces Palestinians to walk through a hard corridor when strolling from Abu Dis to At-Tur. The two areas once were adjoining neighborhoods, like Greenwich Village and Chelsea, but now Jerusalem ID holders (a special status for Palestinian residents of Jerusalem who are not citizens of Israel, nor the West Bank) are separated by the infrastructural might of the Brooklyn bridge: a tower, a concrete fence and this checkpoint.

Round about to no where, inclosed inside of the security fences of a-Zeitim checkpoint. (Photo: Allison Deger)

Round about to no where, inclosed inside of the security fences of a-Zeitim checkpoint. (Photo: Allison Deger)

“Before the start of the popular resistance groups we worked with the Fatah movement, and we knew people from the Jahalin Bedouin villages from that time,” said Thaer Anis, 36, a civil servant with the Palestinian Ministry of Finance. Anis spoke to me next to a chain-linked fence that encircles the parking lot of a-Zeitim checkpoint. He had just gotten out of jail about a month before, arrested for knocking out a piece of the separation barrier in a protest commemorating the Palestinian nakba earlier this year. In the intervening five months he and a number of his co-organizer with a group called Bab al-Shams have all been locked up for destroying pieces of the wall.

Anis was picked up in one of the West Bank’s largest military incursion of the year, when 200 border police stormed Abu Dis and nearby Eizariya and arrested 11 for tampering with the wall.

After Anis was incarcerated, others continued to break off pieces of the barrier. Many of them, like Anis, were later arrested in the dead of night. The Israeli military has security cameras. “They took a picture of me when I broke the wall,” said Anis, who was eventually charged with tampering with security barrier and the photograph surfaced in trial as definitive evidence against him.

But Anis’s three-month stint in jail didn’t deter the young professional and activist. He’s back to protesting Jerusalem’s divisions. Like many other Palestinians from areas of the holy city that are now trapped behind the wall, Anis has to drive to a further checkpoint to access the rest of the city, called a-Zayyam, which borders area E1, Jerusalem and the West Bank. Part of the village that the checkpoint takes its name from is also split between Jerusalem and the West Bank. Last year when I visited a-Zayyam I noticed all of the cars had Israeli yellow license plates rather than green Palestinian Authority plates. Yet everyone in the village said despite mostly falling in Jerusalem’s municipal borders, no one services the village: not Israel or the West Bank. They burn their own trash and purchase water in large tanks.

Palestinians pray in protest of the a-Zeitim checkpoint that bisects East Jerusalem neighborhoods. (Photo: Allison Deger)

Palestinians pray in protest of the a-Zeitim checkpoint that bisects East Jerusalem neighborhoods. (Photo: Allison Deger)

Palestinians hold signs in protest of a-Zeitim checkpoint. The demonstrators want to pass between Jerusalem neighborhoods without crossing a checkpoint. (Photo: Allison Deger)

Palestinians hold signs in protest of a-Zeitim checkpoint. The demonstrators want to pass between Jerusalem neighborhoods without crossing a checkpoint. (Photo: Allison Deger)

With most of the wall-breakers now out of jail, Anis and his neighbors are trying a different tactic to protest the strangulation of their neighborhoods that comprise the outer lands of both Jerusalem and the West Bank. Last week after Friday prayers, others from Abu Dis and Eizariya joined him and me. They dropped to their knees on rugs in front of a-Zeitim checkpoint. This is their new demonstration; praying at the checkpoint. They took the name “Bab al-Shams,” after a protest village erected last fall inside area E1 on private Palestinian owned land that garnered the attention of international media, because many of these activists helped construct that village and live nearby the former location of Bab al-Shams.

Last year I reported on Bab al-Shams and four other protest villages that followed. At the time much of the media coverage paralleled Bab al-Shams with settlers who construct illegal outposts to create “facts on the ground.” But a striking difference between the settlers and these Palestinians is that the Palestinians held titles to their land, and settlers try to acquire deeds by building new communities first.

Moreover, the activists at Bab al-Shams and the other protest villages violated no Israeli laws. The organizers smartly constructed with materials that do not require permits, namely tents. When they were eventually evicted, it was through a closed military zone order, the first of which was directly decreed by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu himself.

At first glance Anis’s group’s checkpoint prayer-protest struck me as a conglomerate of issues heaped together: children held signs about access to al-Aqsa mosque, the checkpoint itself was rallied against and there was informal discussion over a government program to transfer Jahlain Bedouin from area E1 to a reservation next to the Abu Dis dump yard. “Because it’s area E1, the Jahalin live here too and we work together,” explained Anis. In fact a-Zeitim checkpoint borders area E1, as well as Jerusalem and the West Bank. It is a checkpoint of crossings between difference administrative areas, where Palestinians live with every kind of status imaginable. Some are Israeli citizens, some are Jerusalem residents, and some are West Bank residents.

Even for those who live near a-Zeitim checkpoint, the exact line of 1967 border isn’t always clear. An infamous example is the Cliff Hotel in Abu Dis, which in recent years has been taken over by the Israeli military. The hotel was part of the construction boom in East Jerusalem’s neighborhoods after the Oslo Accords were signed. Back then the owners thought in earnest a Palestinian state was around the corner and so it was a promising time to invest in building a hotel to serve the future capital.

“The kitchen was in the West Bank,” said Anis’s co-organizer, Dr. Abdullah Abu Hillal, 39, a general practitioner and a member of the Palestine National Initiative, the political party headed by Dr. Mustafa Barghouti, who fell victim to the perils living in a divided neighborhood. Dr. Abu Hillal was arrested in 2006 at the hotel for inadvertently entering Jerusalem without a permit. With half of the structure in Jerusalem and half in the West Bank, Palestinians guests were crossing the Green Line when moving from room to room. When told he was in Jerusalem and had illegally entered Israel, Dr. Abu Hillal tried appealing to the arresting officer, asking which part of the hotel was in the West Bank and that he would go there to avoid detention. “The army refused because he said I didn’t have the right ID.”

Palestinian Jerusalem ID holders use call box at a-Zeitim checkpoint to ask the Israeli army to open to crossing. (Photo: Allison Deger)

Palestinian Jerusalem ID holders use call box at a-Zeitim checkpoint to ask the Israeli army to open to crossing. (Photo: Allison Deger)

For the first 35 years of Israel’s now 46-year occupation in Abu Dis and other cities that the Green Line traversed, the borders were relatively inconsequential. The Green Line was not sealed up near Palestinian population centers the way it is today, with over 70 military checkpoints in the West Bank and seven in the Jerusalem area, alone. Then when the separation barrier construction began, Abu Dis was one of the first Jerusalem neighborhoods to have the concrete divider slice through the locality. And like most of the path of the wall, in Abu Dis it doesn’t actually follow the route of the Green Line. So what exists today is a panel of division inside of holy city, separating one section of the Jerusalem from the rest of the promised capital city.

While supporters of Israel hail the post-Oslo checkpoints as cages to weed out potential security threats with their rigorous ID checks and biometric scanners, and critics decry the devastation to West Bank Palestinian economy and mobility, few lay their attention on the checkpoints inside of Jerusalem, like a-Zeitim. There are 250,000 Palestinian East Jerusalem ID holders who pay taxes to Israel, vote in municipal elections, and are at constant risks of losing their privileges inside of the Israeli system. Together they are 40 percent of the total city’s population. But after the beginning of the separation wall’s construction in 2002, an immobilizing barrier more often than not situated over the Green Line has rendered ghettos inside of Jerusalem. A-Zeitim, the olives terminal, therefore has become a doorway to a Jerusalem ghetto. And entering and exiting from one neighborhood to the next is a bizarre hell that is only imposed on Jerusalem’s Arab population.

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  1. xanadou
    October 18, 2013, 3:48 pm

    Israeli anti-semitism at work, building the largest Jewish ghetto in history.

    Just how much worse is the truth about ghetto-Israel that these people are driven to lock themselves, by themselves, voluntarily, away from humanity behind such contraptions?

  2. mcohen
    October 18, 2013, 4:15 pm

    The checkpoints stop the suicide bombers,why no mention of this.

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_suicide_attacks

    • Woody Tanaka
      October 18, 2013, 5:37 pm

      Because it’s a lie. It’s no more truthful that to say that it stops invaders from the planet Mars.

    • talknic
      October 19, 2013, 12:43 am

      mcohen “The checkpoints stop the suicide bombers…”

      What aren’t they on Israeli soil?

      • talknic
        October 19, 2013, 1:40 am

        Oooops Why aren’t they on Israeli soil?

    • Shingo
      October 19, 2013, 2:26 am

      The checkpoints stop the suicide bombers,why no mention of this.

      Because they don’t.

      1,500 Palestinians get around the check points and apartheid wall every week. That means that a suicide bomber would have no problem.

  3. Mike_Konrad
    October 18, 2013, 4:40 pm

    Have you ever notice the paucity of women in Arab activist photos? I am not saying there are NO female activists. I am noticing how patriarchal Arab society still is.

    • talknic
      October 18, 2013, 9:42 pm

      @Mike_Konrad “I am noticing how patriarchal Arab society still is”

      Irrelevant to the actual legal status of Israel’s Internationally recognized sovereign extent and Israel’s illegal activities outside the State of Israel

    • Ellen
      October 18, 2013, 10:24 pm

      Not only irrelavent, but not true. (Mike is digging deep into his Hasbara bag).

      Palestinian women are more active than you can imagine.

      http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=whztpBPGAIw

      Not only in front and very much behind the scenes.

      (btw, and not to go into whataboutery, but can you imagine Orthodox Jewish women out on the streets protesting about their lot in moden life — you know the the work while their husbands spend years at Yeshivas, the shaved heads, wigs, the obligation to produce many children, the modesty restrictions, the gender restrictions in public life, etc?)

    • xanadou
      October 19, 2013, 4:07 pm

      Until proven wrong, I will assume that you are a person victimized by your country’s anti-semitic propaganda informed by the theocratic regime’s apartheid policies that believes its own citizens too stupid to know how to seek out the truth about ghetto-Israel.

      Consider what Babs Streisand had to say about the patriarchy amongst your own kind: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZaOtf1wthc

      YouTube abounds with yet much more shocking footage of Israeli and Palestinian women.

      Not least of all, Israel is a regressive theocracy that does not grasp the difference between national and religious identities:
      http://www.timesofisrael.com/supreme-court-rejects-israeli-nationality-status/

      Your inability to think for yourself is hastening Israel’s self-induced dispatch into Oblivion.

  4. Citizen
    October 18, 2013, 4:44 pm

    The problem is such details of Palestinian life under Jewish Israeli rule over the years matter less to most Americans than whether or not Redskins is an OK name for a sports team, or, more likely, whether they will be eating burgers or cheesy noodles for supper–and do they have enough foodstamps for the remainder of the month?

  5. fnlevit
    October 18, 2013, 6:50 pm

    Stop telling half truths. The checkpoints did not exist from 67 untill 90-‘es (apart perhaps very few and far between being very primitive and manned by sleepy reserve soldiers). The modern ones in such numbers were erected to stop suicide bombers.

    To stop them from killing Jews. And often Arabs too. Civilians, men and women and children.
    Look at the Wikipedia under “List of Palestinian suicide attacks”
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_suicide_attacks
    and see this awful list.

    No country, no government can allow this to happen. The Wall and the checkpoints were erected to stop these attacks and are extremely effective at this.

    When millions of travelers in US and EU and the rest of the world airports are waiting in long lines to be checked like cattle or refugees or beggars with their shoes in hands and pants with belts removed and unfinished bottles of Coke taken away – it is for the same reason – fear of Arab suicide bombers.

    Why don’t you relate in a similar way detailed stories of those long delays and humiliations which these travelers go through. Because they are needed.

    So stop telling half truths. What do you think we have spare money to built all these monsters? And to man them? Stop lying to yourself. Not to others – to yourself.

    On a general note – understand that the main reason Palestinians and surrounding Arab states kept loosing to us over all these 65 years was precisely because of that – they were lying to themselves, to each other, not only to others and they began to believe in those lies.

    We always looked in the eyes of the truth. Also now – we see the truth. We know our problems. Half of the links which are provided on this blog are to Israeli press. Have you thought about it?

    We know the facts, we are used to the truth and are not afraid of it. You are. Otherwise you would not tell half-truths like you do. Or often full lies.

    We will fix things, fix our problems because we know what to fix. I can’t tell how but we will.

    You here and in similar places try to create a virtual reality. Arabs did the same and they lost. And you now follow them or perhaps are even guided by them and you will lose too. Look into the eyes of the truth. Not half of it.

    • just
      October 18, 2013, 9:54 pm

      They are whole truths. It is the reality.

    • Walid
      October 18, 2013, 10:44 pm

      “… see this awful list”

      The list of 804 Israeli fatalities is awful of course, but still very minimal if you compare it to the 50,000 or so Palestinians and Lebanese killed by Israel over the years. Would you have a link that would tell me how many Palestinians died on the roads in 1948 and 1949 as they were being force-marched into their expulsion?

      • K Renner
        October 19, 2013, 6:30 am

        It’s also worth noting that all Israeli causalities were and are completely preventable if only the “jewish” state did right by others, and that all Palestinian or Lebanese armed actions are in response to Israeli actions.

        One of the most vile lies from the Israelis is that Palestinians and Lebanese are “malevolent” and that armed action on their part– however it manifests– is based in a desire to “kill us poor innocent Jews” and has zero legitimacy/isn’t based in anything.

    • eljay
      October 18, 2013, 10:50 pm

      >> Stop telling half truths.

      Yes, perfesser, stop telling half truths.

      >> You here and in similar places try to create a virtual reality.

      You and your Zio-supremacist co-collectivists try to create a virtual reality, starting with your Biblical entitlement to Palestine, through “a land without a people for a people without a land” and “beacon unto the nations”, to the sweeter-sounding “Jewish and democratic”.

      But the real reality remains: Israel is an oppressive, colonialist, expansionist and supremacist “Jewish State”, created by means of Jewish terrorism and the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians from their homes and lands, and maintained and expanded by means of a 60+ years, ON-GOING and offensive (i.e., not defensive) campaign of aggression, oppression, theft, colonization, destruction, torture and murder. Israel refuses to honour its obligations under international law, refuses to be held accountable for its past and on-going (war) crimes and refuses to enter into sincere negotiations for a just and mutually-beneficial peace.

      >> Look into the eyes of the truth.

      Yes, perfesser, look into the eyes of truth.

    • Walid
      October 18, 2013, 10:54 pm

      “When millions of travelers in US and EU and the rest of the world airports are waiting in long lines to be checked like cattle or refugees or beggars with their shoes in hands and pants with belts removed and unfinished bottles of Coke taken away – it is for the same reason – fear of Arab suicide bombers. ”

      It all goes back to what Israel is doing to the Palestinians. These US and EU procedures are instigated, instituted and managed in good part by Israelis and a steady source of income for Israel.

      • seafoid
        October 19, 2013, 3:21 am

        “Killing Jews “is such an emotive term. Hi buddy I’m afraid we have to build a wall around your neighbourhood, Normally this would be an infringement of your property rights but we are doing it to prevent the killing of Jews which as you will understand nullifies all rights that you have. Have a nice day, Shalom.

        I think this is the space where apartheid thrives.

    • Cliff
      October 19, 2013, 4:07 am

      To stop them from killing Jews. And often Arabs too. Civilians, men and women and children.
      Look at the Wikipedia under “List of Palestinian suicide attacks”
      link to en.wikipedia.org
      and see this awful list.

      There have been 802 casualties from Palestinian suicide attacks (in general, less for bombings) in like 30 years!

      You Jewish terrorists killed 1400+ people (300 civilians) in 2.5 WEEKS!

      YOU’RE THE TERRORISTS. YOU KILL MORE CIVILIANS AND MORE CHILDREN.

      YOU ARE THE OCCUPIERS AND COLONIZERS.

      Go back to EUROPE!

      • K Renner
        October 19, 2013, 6:45 am

        300 is the lowest estimate. The “IDF”, which has a track record of lying about most everything it does, claimed “only” 295 non-combatants killed (murdered), but the UN (aka the anti semites, according to Israel/Zionist apologists) said something like at least 500 non-combatant deaths, and the PCHR, who actually had people in the shit when Gaza was being bombed, said non-combatant deaths amounted to 926 people.

      • Shingo
        October 19, 2013, 6:55 am

        You Jewish terrorists killed 1400+ people (300 civilians) in 2.5 WEEKS!

        330 is he number of children killed alone.

    • Hostage
      October 19, 2013, 9:57 am

      On a general note – understand that the main reason Palestinians and surrounding Arab states kept loosing to us over all these 65 years was precisely because of that – they were lying to themselves, to each other, not only to others and they began to believe in those lies.

      We always looked in the eyes of the truth. Also now – we see the truth. We know our problems. Half of the links which are provided on this blog are to Israeli press. Have you thought about it?

      Okay, here’s a rebuttal to that “truth” diatribe from your own Israeli Press. I notice that CAMERA, StandWithUs, and useful idiots never demand a retraction or correction from their own self-confessed war criminals. For instance:
      100-Year-Old General: We Razed Arab Villages, So What?
      Brig. Gen. (res.) Yitzhak Pundak:oarl If we hadn’t done it, there would be a million more Arabs and there would be no Israel. — link to israelnationalnews.com
      The government of Israel even promoted that reprobate old piece of human filth:
      100-Year-Old Becomes Israeli Major-General: 100-year-old finally gets rank of “Major General” that he earned 60 years ago.
      Nearly 60 years later, Pundak sat flanked by Defense Minister Moshe Yaalon and IDF Chief of Staff Benny Gantz and finally received the long-awaited rank. He was the first person in Israeli history to be raised to the rank of Major-General after retirement. — link to israelnationalnews.com
      Gen. Pundak: Kill 500 in Gaza and They’ll be Quiet: Newly promoted 100-year old general who was Gaza Governor supplies his formula for peace.
      link to israelnationalnews.com

    • amigo
      October 19, 2013, 10:41 am

      levit how,s about some balance when you are not busy dissing Max about a book you have not even read.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_religious_terrorism

      It, all there levit.every bomb thrown into Arab markets and left on buses while your cowardly terrorists ran away.

      Cut the bs levit.The world is on to zionist slime.The jig is up buddy.Pack your bags and go back to whence you came.

    • Shingo
      October 19, 2013, 4:44 pm

      On a general note – understand that the main reason Palestinians and surrounding Arab states kept loosing to us over all these 65 years was precisely because of that – they were lying to themselves, to each other, not only to others and they began to believe in those lies.

      How does that explain the fact that Hezbollah defeated you TWICE or the fact that your second prime minister stated that Zionisim relies on perpetuation lies to the world and to each other?

  6. Annie Robbins
    October 18, 2013, 10:50 pm

    Even though I’m in a valley between windswept hills with cinder block houses and black water tanks on their roofs, I feel more like I’m in the parlor of Satre’s No Exit;

    thank you so much allison. excellent/gruesome as usual. i didn’t know about these checkpoints inside east jerusalem dividing the neighborhoods. i wonder what kind of people designed these structures, this over all plan. what a sad crude cruel mind(s) thought of all this.

  7. talknic
    October 19, 2013, 12:40 am

    fnlevit “The checkpoints did not exist from 67 untill 90-’es (apart perhaps very few and far between being very primitive and manned by sleepy reserve soldiers)”

    They didn’t happen … oh … but they did. Yes. I understand your need…

    “To stop them from killing Jews. And often Arabs too.”

    Israelis

    “No country, no government can allow this to happen”

    No country has ever occupied another people and their territory and not had severe retaliations

    “The Wall and the checkpoints were erected to stop these attacks and are extremely effective at this”

    Would it have not been effective built on Israeli soil?

    “When millions of travelers in US and EU and the rest of the world airports are waiting in long lines to be checked like cattle or refugees or beggars with their shoes in hands and pants with belts removed and unfinished bottles of Coke taken away – it is for the same reason”

    The West meddling in the M East for over a century perhaps?

    “What do you think we have spare money to built all these monsters? And to man them?”

    Far cheaper to have built the separation barrier and checkpoints on Israeli soil.

    “understand that the main reason Palestinians and surrounding Arab states kept loosing to us over all these 65 years was precisely because of that – they were lying to themselves, to each other, not only to others and they began to believe in those lies.”

    Inferior arms and Israel preemptively attacking had nothing to do with it? Egypt and Transjordan didn’t lose to Israel 1948 BTW. They prevented Israel from taking all of Palestine

    We always looked in the eyes of the truth …. We know the facts, we are used to the truth and are not afraid of it”

    OK Test.

    1) Is it not true that the Israeli Government pleaded to be recognized (and was recognized) ” as an independent republic within frontiers approved by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its Resolution of November 29, 1947, and that a provisional government has been charged to assume the rights and duties of government for preserving law and order within the boundaries of Israel, for defending the state against external aggression, and for discharging the obligations of Israel to the other nations of the world in accordance with international law.” http://www.trumanlibrary.org/whistlestop/study_collections/israel/large/documents/newPDF/49.pdf

    2) Is it not true that the Israeli Government made this statement on the 22nd May 1948? http://pages.citebite.com/x1r0b4d1y6mkv

    3) Is it not true that it has been illegal to acquire territory by (any) war since 1933 http://pages.citebite.com/y1f0t4q1v4son

    4) Is it not true that Israel has never legally annexed any territory it has illegally acquired by war

    We will fix things, fix our problems because we know what to fix. I can’t tell how but we will.”

    Try getting the f^&k out of ALL non-Israeli territory for once. That has NEVER been tried

    “Look into the eyes of the truth. Not half of it”

    Answer the four questions truthfully ….. if you dare

    • seafoid
      October 19, 2013, 7:50 am

      The checkpoints did not exust until blah. The death camps didn’t exist in 1933 either. It takes time to season a population to great evil. Slow progress. But progress all the while.

  8. ziusudra
    October 19, 2013, 2:00 am

    Greetings,
    People who build ‘walls’ should delve into history first.
    .The great wall of China proved worthless against the Mongols.
    . The manhatten wall hence wall street erected by the Dutch in 1609.
    against the English gone by 1665 after the English took over.
    . The Berlin wall erected in 1961 fell with the fall of the soviet Union in 1989.
    . The multi walls in Zionistan are serving the irrational, perpetual fear
    of the People of their Zionist conquest, they – will – fall !
    ziusudra

  9. seafoid
    October 19, 2013, 3:26 am

    Great reportage , Alison. East jerusalem really is the picture of Dorian “jewish and democratic” Israel. The architects and planners who designed the ghetto infrastructure are as important to the system as the torturers and the doctors who manage them.
    And this is aliyah and all prayers anywhere else are worthless.

  10. fnlevit
    October 19, 2013, 4:17 am

    Concerning UN resolutions which several people here are so fond of quoting .

    This is again the same type of half-truths here. In fact it is a prime example of the half-truth and how people here built virtual reality around them (and simply lies) and believe into it. And using the word “hasbara” on the left and on the right as if this explains anything. Soviet Pravda used the word “propaganda” (foreign for Russian ears) or “Western propaganda” in exactly the same way. Saying words “Western propaganda” was supposed to automatically explain why it was wrong.

    Am I dealing with intellectually challenged here who do not understand what I am saying? I am sorry if I am offending those for whom these are trivialities (no need to search truman archives to see them) but I will record those trivialities for the sake of the “intelectually challenged”.

    1 For tens of years Arabs have had automatic majority in all votes in UN. Actually for a very long time they were in addition joined by the Soviets led block which made this majority ever stronger.
    By immortal words of Aba Eban
    http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/a/abba_eban.html

    “If Algeria introduced a resolution declaring that the earth was flat and that Israel had flattened it, it would pass by a vote of 164 to 13 with 26 abstentions.”

    2. But even more than that – the Arab population is more than 300 mln vs 8 mln Israel (150 mln vs 2mln in 1950-es). Surely the overwhelming interests of all counties lie with 300 mln. One should really have a tremendous integrity to go against such interests and vote against Arabs in UN. It is an unbelievable miracle that US is supporting us. No other “imperial” power have done this. No Russia, no Britain. China is sort of neutral at the moment and we trying to won their hearts.

    So again – stop quoting the UN resolutions. These are again half-truths. We know and understand how they were introduced and accepted.

    And you do too. So – stop lying to yourself . Tell the full truth. You are going to lose if you continue in this way.

    But never mind you loosing – what is worse is that you are causing damage to Palestinians. They and their leaders seem to believe in your half-truths and harden their positions. Exactly as after 1948 and 1967 and 1973. They were misled by Arab countries and hardened their positions believing their own half-truths that is was all Israel’s fault and that they were pure as sun light, etc, etc.

    We on the contrary eat our hearts out on our mistakes, and chew and chew on them. And somehow this helps to correct them. That will happen with the occupation too. Believe me – it will. I do not know how but it will

    At the end I can’t refrain from bringing another Aba Eban quote

    “I think that this is the first war in history that on the morrow the victors sued for peace and the vanquished called for unconditional surrender.”
    http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/a/abba_eban.html

    You can guess which war was it. It actually fits all three major ones and even more recent smaller too.

    • Shingo
      October 19, 2013, 6:24 am

      He described the Geneva meeting as “better than many people thought, but worse than what we hoped for.”

      False. Arabs represent less than 60 states and 2/3rds are required to pass resolutions.

      By immortal words of Aba Eban

      One of histories greatest liars and cheats.

      2. But even more than that – the Arab population is more than 300 mln vs 8 mln Israel (150 mln vs 2mln in 1950-es). Surely the overwhelming interests of all counties lie with 300 mln

      That is true, but with a US , French and UK veto at the UNSC, Israel only has to corrupt the political class from those states to get it’s way.

      It is an unbelievable miracle that US is supporting us.

      It’s not a miracle , it’s a matter of corruption, bribery and blackmail.

      So again – stop quoting the UN resolutions. These are again half-truths.

      Translation : “Daddy, Daddy, please punch these kids for me, they won’t let me cheat or win.”

      Of course, I take it you also oppose UN Resolutions against Iran right? They are only half truths right?

      But never mind you loosing – what is worse is that you are causing damage to Palestinians

      Yes, the wife bashing husband tells his wife to stay away from family services and the police because reporting his abuse will only get her bashed harder.

      We on the contrary eat our hearts out on our mistakes, and chew and chew on them.

      Thanks for the comic relief. Actually, you deny your mistakes and your crimes.

      That will happen with the occupation too. Believe me – it will. I do not know how but it will

      No we don’t believe you, because every post you have contributed until now has denied any wrongdoing by Israel and justified it’s crimes. How are you going to correct your own mistakes when you refuse to even admit to them?

      At the end I can’t refrain from bringing another Aba Eban quote

      I wonder what Eban woudl have said if the Nazis had prevailed in WWII. Evan’s problem is that he and his generation couldn’t come to terms with the might not being right and the victors not having the right to re-write history.

      So let’s cite some of Eban’s more poignant quotes:

      “Consensus is what many people say in chorus but do not believe as individuals.”

      What better way to explain Israel’s true attitude to a two state solution or peace?

    • talknic
      October 19, 2013, 10:26 am

      @ fnlevit “1 For tens of years Arabs have had automatic majority in all votes in UN.

      Simple maths proves you’re full of sh*te. The majority of UN Member states are non-Muslim

      “By immortal words of Aba Eban”
      It is actually speculation. When onme speculates one can say anything. It’s meaningless

      “2. But even more than that – the Arab population is more than 300 mln vs 8 mln Israel (150 mln vs 2mln in 1950-es).”

      Irrelevant to the Internationally recognized extent of Israeli sovereignty (as Israel asked to be recognized) and; Israel’s illegal activities outside the State of Israel in occupied territories

      “We on the contrary eat our hearts out on our mistakes, and chew and chew on them. And somehow this helps to correct them. That will happen with the occupation too. Believe me – it will. I do not know how but it will”

      How about adhering to the law and getting out of ALL non-Israeli territories for once. It has never been tried.

      “At the end I can’t refrain from bringing another Aba Eban quote”

      Irrelevant as above

    • amigo
      October 19, 2013, 10:59 am

      hey levit , would this be the same Abba Eban who said the following.

      “History teaches us that men and nations behave wisely once they have exhausted all other alternatives. “.

      Sounds like Israel is not listening to him.He must have meant Israel.

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