Internet ‘redresses’ Miri Regev’s ‘capture of Jerusalem’ themed gown at Cannes

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After Israeli Culture Minister Miri Regev wore a dress celebrating Israel’s conquest of Jerusalem at Cannes yesterday, social media lit up with parodies. The redesigns include an added separation wall into the Old City scene, air strikes over Gaza, soldiers raiding a Palestinian home, and a tribute to leading hunger striking prisoner Marwan Barghouti.

The original gown has an image of Jerusalem on the skirt, showing the Old City and the iconic Muslim site the Dome of the Rock. It was created by Swedish-Israeli designer Aviad Arik Herman.

Herman posted pictures of Regev at Cannes on his Instagram account (the original photos are credited to Eli Sabati), prompting some to reply critically of the design. While Israel sees Jerusalem as its capital, international law does not recognize the conquest of territory through acts of warfare. East Jerusalem, the part of the city drawn onto the dress, is considered an occupied territory.

Regev defended the concept behind the dress, marking Israel’s capture of Jerusalem during the June 1967 war.

“This year we are celebrating 50 years since the liberation and reunification of Jerusalem,” Regev said, according to the Jewish Chronicle.

“I am proud to celebrate this historic date through art and fashion, and I am happy that this work … is so moving and honours the beautiful status of our eternal capital, Jerusalem,” she continued.

Responses flooded Twitter with social media mocking Regev, digitally altering her apparel with snapshots of Israel’s occupation of Jerusalem, the West Bank, and Gaza.

Regev’s appearance at Cannes comes amid a squabble between the Trump administration and Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu over the status of Jerusalem. Israeli television identified U.S. consular staffer in Jerusalem, David Berns, as the official who earlier in the week told Netanyahu aides that the Western Wall in the Old City “is not your territory, it’s part of the West Bank,” the Forward reported.  

(Image: Carlos Latuff)

The Western Wall takes up a large swath of the lower portion of Regev’s dress. The Jewish holy site became a matter of debate after Israel officials pressured the U.S. consulate in Jerusalem to coordinate a stop at the wall on Donald Trump’s upcoming trip to the region. While Trump is not likely to visit the wall, the new U.S. ambassador to Israel, David Friedman, was photographed at the wall on his first day in-country at the start of the week. Oddly, Aerosmith front man Steven Tyler happened to be there at the same time. 

After Friedman departed from the Old City he met with Netanyahu, who applauded the controversial visit.

“Welcome. It’s a pleasure to see you and to welcome you to Jerusalem, our eternal capital. I know you went to the Kotel [Western Wall]. It’s deeply appreciated by all our people,” Netanyahu told Friedman according to a statement from his office.

“There was no other place to go,” Friedman responded, to which Netanyahu added, “It was a strong gesture of solidarity. We look forward to receiving President Trump and we want to work with you and with the President these coming years to strengthen our great alliance.”

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  1. JosephA
    May 19, 2017, 12:37 am

    “There was no other place to go?”

    This is becoming farcical.

    Last time I checked, a US Ambassador didn’t first go to pray when arriving in a foreign country. Like it or not Mr. Ambassador Friedman, there is STILL a separation between church and state in this country!

    Now go visit those illegal settler-colonialists you have been supporting for years, in violation of international law. What a disgusting person.

    • Citizen
      May 19, 2017, 6:30 pm

      And he takes US tax deductions for those funds he sends to illegal Israeli settlements, same as Jared & Ivanka do. Thus, US taxpayers literally pay even more for Israeli crimes.

      • festus
        May 20, 2017, 8:07 am

        Nobody puts it in a more accurate light than Latuff.

  2. RoHa
    May 19, 2017, 1:09 am

    I am trying to decide whether the original version of the dress would best be described as “vulgar” or “crass”.

    Any advance on those terms?

  3. talknic
    May 19, 2017, 4:30 am

    ” international law does not recognize the conquest acquisition of territory through acts of warfare.”

    • Paranam Kid
      May 19, 2017, 8:27 am

      Not “acquisition” but THEFT.

      • talknic
        May 20, 2017, 11:36 am

        @ Paranam Kid

        ‘acquisition’ by legal annexation, thru an agreement or treaty is legal. ‘acquisition by any effective coercive measure is illegal … as you say theft.

        The word used by the UNSC is ‘acquisition’. It comes from the codification of the Montevideo Convention on the Rights and Duties of States Article 11 into the UN Charter

        http://www.cfr.org/sovereignty/montevideo-convention-rights-duties-states/p15897#art11 ARTICLE 11

        The contracting states definitely establish as the rule of their conduct the precise obligation not to recognize territorial acquisitions or special advantages which have been obtained by force whether this consists in the employment of arms, in threatening diplomatic representations, or in any other effective coercive measure.
        ————–AND—————-
        UN Charter Chapter 1
        Article 2
        4 ) All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations.”
        http://www.un.org/en/sections/un-charter/chapter-i/index.html

        This is now Customary International Law (i.e., the legal custom has been adopted by a majority of the International Comity of Nations), binding on all states.

        Reminding Israel in UNSC res 242 it is expressed thus “Emphasizing the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war “ https://talknic.wordpress.com/unsc-resolution-242-did-not-call-to-negotiate-borders/

        Even the often cited jurists Schwebel/ Lauterpacht tell us, contrary to Hasbara surrounding their statements, territory may not be acquired by war, it may however be restored to the sovereign by war. I.e., Syria has every right to attack Israel to get the Golan Height back, the Palestinians have every right to attack Israel to get their territories back. Likewise Egypt had every right to attack Israel over the Sinai http://wp.me/PDB7k-Y#Schwebel

    • Misterioso
      May 19, 2017, 12:23 pm

      Memo to Miri Regev:

      Prime Minister Menachem Begin, former Minister without portfolio in Levi Eshkol’s cabinet, while addressing Israel’s National Defence College on 8 August 1982: “In June, 1967, we again had a choice. The Egyptian army concentrations in the Sinai did not prove that Nasser was really about to attack us. We must be honest with ourselves. We decided to attack him.” (New York Times, 21 August 1982)

      Meir Amit, chief of Israel’s Mossad: “Egypt was not ready for a war and Nasser did not want a war.” (Dr. Norman Finkelstein, Image and Reality)

      Israeli Chief of Staff Rabin: “I do not believe that Nasser wanted war. The two divisions which he sent into Sinai on 14 May would not have been enough to unleash an offensive against Israel. He knew it and we knew it.” (Le Monde, 25 Februrary 1968)

      Prime Minister Eshkol: “The Egyptian layout in the Sinai and the general military buildup there testified to a military defensive Egyptian set-up south of Israel.” (Yediot Aharonot, l8 October 1967)

      Robert McNamara, U.S. Secretary of Defence: “Three separate intelligence groups had looked carefully into the matter [and] it was our best judgment that a UAR attack was not imminent.” (The Vantage Point, Lyndon Johnson, p. 293)

      An article published in the New York Times (4 June 1967) just hours before Israel attacked notes that Major General Indar Jit Rikhye, Commander of UNEF in the Middle East, “who toured the Egyptian front, confirms that Egyptian troops were not poised for an offensive.” (Dr. Norman Finkelstein, Image and Reality…, p. 134)

      On May 26, in reply to Israeli Foreign Minister Abba Eban’s assertion that according to Israeli intelligence, “an Egyptian and Syrian attack is imminent,” Secretary of State Dean Rusk dismissed the claim and assured Eban that Israel faced no threat of attack from Egypt. On the same day, during a meeting at the Pentagon, Eban was also told by Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara and his aides that “…Egyptian forces were not in an aggressive posture and that Israel was not opening itself to peril by not attacking immediately. The contrary was true, Eban was told.” (Donald Neff, Warriors for Jerusalem, pp. 140-41)

      As the UN Emergency Force (UNEF) Commander, Major General Idar Jit Rikhye, revealed, Nasser was not enforcing the blockade of the Tiran straits: “[The Egyptian] navy had searched a couple of ships after the establishment of the blockade and thereafter relaxed its implementation.” (Norman Finkelstein, Image and Reality, p. 139)

  4. Paranam Kid
    May 19, 2017, 8:28 am

    It is good to ridiculise Regev that way, she is 1 of the worst zio-fascists in the government, she almost makes Netanyahu look like an innocent choir boy.

    • Maghlawatan
      May 19, 2017, 9:25 am

      Regev and Bennett are rabid. Judaism doesnt seem to have produced such pathetic leaders in the past.

    • Maghlawatan
      May 19, 2017, 11:56 am

      Lieberman, Shaked, Bennett and Regev are proof that 50 years of miseducation and hatred can destroy any system of ethics. There is a very thin line between civilisation and barbarity.

      • echinococcus
        May 19, 2017, 12:18 pm

        Bullshit, Maghlawatan. “50 years” is pure nonsense.

        The worst, genocidal, colonialist improvers upon German Romantic Nationalism, direct inspirers of Nazism, educators of Cecil Rhodes, Jan Smuts and Rosenberg were the old-timer Zionists. Herzl, Jabotinsky, Weizmann, Ben Gurion, Meir were one and all bloodsucking beasts.

        Only, they had some education, enough to keep a make-believe façade, just like the Nazi leaders. Today’s Zionists are all grown inside the Zionist bubble, so they have no means of getting any education.

      • Maghlawatan
        May 19, 2017, 4:07 pm

        The yishuv leaders were sociopaths but the people were mostly not. 50 years of indoctrination have dejudaized most Israeli Jews to the point where people like Shaked get elected.

      • echinococcus
        May 19, 2017, 6:38 pm

        Maghlawatan,

        The yishuv leaders were sociopaths but the people were mostly not.

        The “people” were murderous, thieving colonial invaders committing a huge crime. Consciously. They weren’t sociopaths, so what? Who says they weren’t? Also, please use English, my modern constructed Hebrew is rusty. In plain English, we call that “colonial settlement”.

        50 years of indoctrination have dejudaized most Israeli Jews to the point where people like Shaked get elected.

        It’s been 120 years since 1897, not 50. If the new ones are shaked, the old ones were definitely stirred.
        As for “dejudaizing”, that could only be a wonderful event, reducing the number of religious fanatics. I agree that reducing that number does not help with the non-religious racists. Also, considering the huge increase in the number of religious racist murderers, I doubt there was any “de-judaization”. Au contraire.

      • Maghlawatan
        May 19, 2017, 9:39 pm

        Echinoccus

        The “it was always rancid” analysis is too simplistic and misses out on the dynamics that wIll probably sink Israel. Israel in the 50s had just been through a brutal war of conquest but still had the potential to be something different.
        The key social influences were Ashkenazi. The Orthodox and Ultra Orthodox influence was small.
        1967 gave rise to Messianism. In 1977 the Mizrahi took over. They are the majority.
        Groups go bad. One of the key dynamics in Israel is the increasing demographic weight of the Orthodox and ultraorthodox. More and more uneducated people who are easy prey for manipulators.

        If you follow the brain development of heinous criminals there is a process that ends with a point of no return when the person becomes a fully fledged psychopath or whatever. They aren’t born as such. Trauma and other influences iterate to the point. IsraelI society has gone through a similar process. It still had potential in 1955. It doesn’t now.

      • yonah fredman
        May 20, 2017, 6:32 am

        Magh, yishuv leaders- there is only one famous yishuv leader and that is Ben gurion. Begin arrived to the place in the 40’s. Much later and peripheral to power than Ben gurion. Terrorism, if it means impermissible violence, is not a useful term. Not killing civilians is the primary definition of terrorism.
        Ben Gurion kicked more than half a million Palestinians off their land. I suppose that meets your standard of sociopath.
        One can theorize a different zionism, one where 1933-1945 did not happen. If immigration rates had reflected pre wwI conditions, the Zionists would not have had sufficient numbers to achieve conquest. Until wwI there were 85,000 yehudim in falestin. The war caused that number to drop: yehudim from certain countries were kicked out by the turk , but that is the base number that was reachieved soon after the war. The jump from 85,000 to 170,000 in 1929 resulted from three factors: British mandate and official status granted to the Jewish agency. 2.closed (slightly ajar) doors to america, and 3. A reborn poland that was unfriendly to yehudim.
        1929 is hebron and also the market crash which brought the depression, which gave US FDR, but gave the yehudim adolph, and thus from 170,000 in ’29 to 400,000 by the time of ’39.
        A gradual build up of a Jewish population under British mandate might have led to a less violent path. Alternate history.
        The single minded pursuit of a jewish state in the place was not an outlandish assessment of a specific moment in history.
        Palestinians got badly hurt by the Zionist movement. Single mindedness is the cause and badly hurt is the effect.

      • echinococcus
        May 20, 2017, 9:26 am

        Maghlawatan,

        If you think that sympathizing with the secular Nazism of the earlier generation of colonizers against the bumbling mental retardation of the new-age religious fanatical fake-Orthodox is any kind of “analysis”, think again.

        In fact, your opposing the secular Eskenazi national-and-even-socialist delirium to today’s supposedly “Orthodox” supposedly Mizrahi dominance (you wish! they’re generally Russian and Russian-Polish-American!) is mind-blowing. You still don’t get it that anyone calling himself “Jewish” when non-religious is way more dangerous than the holy rollers.

        As for “the dynamics that will probably sink Israel” there’s only one: the sinking of America.

      • Maghlawatan
        May 20, 2017, 10:23 am

        Echinoccus

        If you are waiting for the US to do the decent thing, forget it. The Orthodox/Haredi/settler combo will break the Israeli economy. Productivity is already stagnant. There are too many freeloaders.

      • echinococcus
        May 20, 2017, 2:08 pm

        Maglawatan,

        OK, another one hard of hearing. Who is expecting “the US to do the decent thing”?
        My sentence was: “As for “the dynamics that will probably sink Israel” there’s only one: the sinking of America.”

      • Maghlawatan
        May 20, 2017, 4:31 pm

        Echinoccus
        The US doesnt have to sink for Zionism to fail.
        Zionism is an updated version of Tammany Hall. That collapsed after WW2 when the politics changed from elite chess to something for everyone. Zionists are heavily exposed to neoliberalism which is dying. Goldman Sachs can’t even generate 10% return on capital. The next demagogue after Trump could decide to target rich Zionists in the name of the red states. That would leave Zionism as a parasite without a host.

      • Annie Robbins
        May 20, 2017, 8:41 pm

        Zionism is an updated version of Tammany Hall.

        Maghlawatan, i’m afraid you’re waisting your breath on deaf ears. echi has too much faith in zionism/israel to think it could implode on its own.

        Orthodox/Haredi/settler combo will break the Israeli economy. Productivity is already stagnant. There are too many freeloaders.

        deaf ears. don’t even bother. i agree with you about the increasing (exploding) demographic weight of the Orthodox and ultraorthodox. i don’t know how this exploding segment of society will sustain itself especially when seculars continue to decrease or leave. as it has been progressively getting more extreme and worse off so it will continue in that direction and the split between US/IS jews will likely turn into a crevasse. i predicted (a few years ago) by 2020 we’d really start seeing the effects of this (and other factors, like a crescendo). i still believe that. not because i am an optimist but because i have common sense.

      • echinococcus
        May 20, 2017, 7:13 pm

        Maghlawatan,

        I am not into Pollyanna stuff. You may have heard about that book over there, too. Take care.

      • echinococcus
        May 21, 2017, 12:42 am

        Annie,

        Give me a common-sense explanation as to how the group that is holding the US superpower firmly by the balls can “implode on its own” before the US gets very deeply wounded and changed. Just make it plausible and logical, please.

      • Annie Robbins
        May 21, 2017, 1:10 am

        echi, you don’t hold court around here and i wasn’t even talking to you. try coughing up a common-sense explanation as to how you beat your wife? Just make it plausible and logical, please.

        and why, if, according to you, israel/zionism holds the US “firmly by the balls”, our embassy is still not in jerusalem? Just make it plausible and logical, please.

        and why, if, according to you, israel/zionism holds the US “firmly by the balls”, we have not bombed iran back to the stone ages, yet? Just make it plausible and logical, please.

      • echinococcus
        May 21, 2017, 1:35 am

        Excellent observations, Annie.
        On every point on which all Zionists are not agreed, sure, there will be contradictory politics.

        On the “implode” (word that you used), or destruction of the Zionist entity, or at least of leaving it to its own devices without any support from the superpower, it sure looks as if there is a total consensus of all Zionist factions. Not only that: as with other vital interests of imperialist monopoly capital, the comedy of a supposed democratic process in the US will be subverted and a coup d’État organized when the Zionist order is threatened. Just as the one that just happened after the last presidential election over the war against Russia.

        As with my holding court or not and waiting until you are talking to me, nuts. Just censor everybody who speaks without being called by the teacher…

      • Maghlawatan
        May 21, 2017, 1:40 am

        Echinoccus, HabibI

        Zionism is not NASCAR. It doesn’t have a popular base in the US. It has influence.
        That is not the same thing.
        Zionism is not of the people. That is why it has dual loyalty. It doesn’t belong like rednecks belong.
        Zionism is a murderous pilot fish.
        Maybe it will successfully wend its way through the corridors of US power for the next 50 years while Israeli society moves over to the far side. Maybe the 16 families who own Israel are interested in stability and will act coherently. Perhaps neglecting education and the needs of the Haredi population are not important. But I doubt it.

      • Annie Robbins
        May 21, 2017, 2:19 am

        Echi, there’s only one “teacher” on this little subthread and it’s not me (maybe if you re-read some of the relevant commentary, instead of bypassing it w/ not so subtle snarky tone deaf commentary such as “another one hard of hearing”, and actually listen you could learn something). as for censoring, i am not censoring anyone. i bypass comments i think are too hot to handle and leave those decisions to others. someone else does the bulk of moderation around here — for months now. you say whatever and not wait to be spoken to all the time but i don’t have to answer questions construing i insinuated something i never stated either.

        there’s a lot of other things i could say about your logic/commentary (“leaving it to its own devices without any support from the superpower”??) but i’ll leave it at this:

        On every point on which all Zionists are not agreed, sure, there will be contradictory politics. “

        as if when they agree, there are no contradictory politics? it appears to me you think everyone in this country who is not a zionist is totally insignificant. i just do not happen to share those views. as Maghlawatan mentioned earlier, along with many other salient points, Zionists are heavily exposed to neoliberalism which is dying. … The next demagogue after Trump could decide to target rich Zionists in the name of the red states. That would leave Zionism as a parasite without a host.

        engaging in points others are making rather than dismissing them off the cuff as “Pollyanna stuff” can occasionally add value to the discourse. you might even learn something.

      • echinococcus
        May 21, 2017, 9:00 am

        Why so touchy all of a sudden, Annie?

        When you berate people on an open forum for speaking out of turn, you should fully expect being called “teacher”.

        Incidentally, calling “hard of hearing” someone because he gets the diametrical contrary out of a clear, plain English sentence is not “tone deafness” but charitable understatement.

        To the substance: when all Zionists agree on a vital point, well, no, there are no contradictory politics in the US. With the exception of marginal squeaks in isolation cells, by infinitesimal minorities. Even then, most of said infinitesimal minorities are not even independent from the Democrat Zionist mountebanks and/or the organized tribal Ziosympathizers. If the Zionist entity implodes or not, if it’s alive or a corpse, profitable or not, makes no difference to its still being carried by the US as long as the owners of the country want to. By the way, even if a very substantial part of the American population were informed and protesting, you can remember that even winning a presidential election makes no difference at all in the US.

      • Annie Robbins
        May 22, 2017, 2:53 pm

        touchy? mwah. this is my personality.. it’s not all of a sudden, it’s who i am. you double down when i use your own language (copy pasted btw) right back at you, or didn’t you recognize it? ha!

        Give me a common-sense explanation… just make it plausible and logical, please.

        who plays teacher? you dish it out but you can’t take it, amusing. maybe it ruffled some feathers.

        as you well know, i said nothing whatsoever about you commenting out of turn. you comment whenever you feel like it just like everyone else — including me. no one stops you. but i don’t have to answer to you either. (btw, if you think i’m berating you, breathe deep and try rereading it.)

      • echinococcus
        May 21, 2017, 1:04 pm

        Maghla,

        Zionism “doesn’t have a popular base in the US”?
        I think you live on another planet. Count the Zionist schools starting at the cradle, dedicated families, day camps, summer boot camps, “community centers”, temples, Saturday schools, Sunday schools, infiltrated school boards and town halls and radio stations and TV networks and the thousands and thousands deadly brainwashed military personnel the USA is providing to the Zionist entity. And it doesn’t have “dual” loyalty. That’s more BS. Their only loyalty is to Zionism.
        No base, eh?

        Besides, religious or not, educated or not, the Zionist entity itself doesn’t count. This is an ideological matter for the owners of the US, so they’ll feed, support and carry the bastard state dead or alive. It already depends entirely on the US and our European poodles to survive at all.

      • Maghlawatan
        May 21, 2017, 1:34 pm

        Echinoccus

        It doesn’t have a popular base. How many Americans are interested in the kashrut rules or the latest rulings on mikvah use, to the nearest 10 million?

        How many Americans feel guilty about the cowardice of the organised Jewish community during WW2?

      • Mooser
        May 22, 2017, 3:38 pm

        “and the thousands and thousands deadly brainwashed military personnel the USA is providing to the Zionist entity”

        Thousands and thousands. Now there’s a scary thought.

      • echinococcus
        May 22, 2017, 3:56 pm

        OK Annie, we’re definitely and obviously not the product of the same school.

      • echinococcus
        May 22, 2017, 4:00 pm

        “Scary thought”, Mooser? If you think it’s just a thought, think again.

  5. Ossinev
    May 19, 2017, 10:09 am

    What a silly sad pathetic creature. These Israeli Zionists are so arrogant and self deluded that they simply cannot see themselves walking into a parody trap. Just like the Yahoo and his cartoon bomb at the UN.

    As for “Culture”. The only culture ugly little Zioland can boast of is violence,greed and theft. The sooner it is faced with full scale international boycotts the better.

    @Roha. Howsabout “cringeworthy” ?

    • MHughes976
      May 19, 2017, 1:02 pm

      That does feel to me like the right word. Also ugly.

      • RoHa
        May 19, 2017, 8:53 pm

        Certainly cringeworthy. Undeniably ugly. Any other suggestions?

    • pabelmont
      May 20, 2017, 12:33 pm

      Such a lot of work-up (but how delightful to hear of it) for a (mere) Minister of Couture (err, culture).

  6. Misterioso
    May 19, 2017, 11:00 am

    Such unabashed blatant evil!! Miri Regev is sick, sick, sick.

    • CigarGod
      May 20, 2017, 9:17 am

      But it doesn’t feel like a sickness when she hears the applause of her supporters…an her Rabbi says she is doing Gods work.

  7. Maghlawatan
    May 19, 2017, 11:50 am

    “There was no other place to go,” Friedman responded.

    Yes, there was. Masada. End station for lunatic Jewish cults such as Zionism.

  8. genesto
    May 19, 2017, 12:52 pm

    The ’50 Years of Occupation’ version is particularly stunning, symbiotically blending Miri’s natural colors with the dress’ th(m)eme.

    Christian Dior would be proud!

  9. catalan
    May 19, 2017, 1:44 pm

    Beautiful lady. Looks like the hummus boycott has a ways to go before the Israelis get starved into submission. She must have missed the memo how Hamas is winning.

    • Maghlawatan
      May 19, 2017, 4:03 pm

      Hamas is a distraction. God will work via the Haredi birth rate. Haredi ignorance will do the rest. YESHA is growing at 9% per year. The Israeli economy is stagnant. The Haredi population is growing fast. All hamas has to do is get the popcorn in

    • lonely rico
      May 19, 2017, 7:29 pm

      > catalan

      Beautiful lady.

      NOT !

      Your Zionist barbie is pitiful –
      I fear for you catalan, and the Jews

      • catalan
        May 20, 2017, 1:08 am

        “I fear for you catalan”
        You fear for the Jews of New Mexico? I fear for the people of Gaza – I hear that they have electricity less then three hours a day. Better speed up the hummus boycott.

      • Kaisa of Finland
        May 20, 2017, 11:48 am

        catalan:

        “I fear for the people of Gaza”

        It is because you are supposed to fear for them. If you did not fear for them and just met some of them, you might see there is nothing to fear.

        When I decided to visit West Bank for the first time, I was told by my Israelian friends that the Palestinians are “barbarians” who will robb me, rape me and quite surely kill me immediately when I cross the border. I am not proud of it, but in the end I had to lie I was going alone to Jerusalem, to be able to go.

        When I got to the WB, I found just nice people who wanted to show me their homes and their surroundings, most of them well educated and open for very honest discussion of just everything there came up.

        When I finally came back “home” at Israels side, no-one wanted to hear about my experience and everyone just pretended I had not been there. They did not “refuse me” or “turn me away”, but everyone just pretended nothing had happened.. It was a weird experience, but maybe the truth would have been too painfull for them to hear, since they were not Nationalists or politically active Zionists, just “normal working people” living their “small” everyday lives, and maybe their way to cope with “the truth” was not to know.

        The propaganda is there just to keep the “Zionist elite” in power, beacuse, if the “average people” would find out that there are just “average people” living in both sides of the borders, they’d loose their power and everything they have built their lives on..

      • Kaisa of Finland
        May 20, 2017, 2:19 pm

        Oh my dear English language:

        I guess it should have been “reject me” not refuse.. RoHa might correct me here.. I just couldn’t get any suitable word in to my head when writing that..

      • catalan
        May 20, 2017, 4:13 pm

        Kaisa,
        To fear FOR means to worry about. I worry about and feel sorry for the people of Gaza. I am not sure when the boycotts of Israeli hummus and Feta will help them. I fear for them during the next war with Israel which will be terrible for that territory.
        I do not fear FROM them – which is what you understood. Why in the world would I fear Gazans? I have fear of pain, disease, aging. The usual suspects.

      • Annie Robbins
        May 20, 2017, 5:20 pm

        I am not sure when the boycotts of Israeli hummus and Feta will help them.

        and all this fretting over bds, and the hundreds of millions invested in countering it, what do you think of that? seems like a waste of money if it (bds) offers no threat. are you unsure about bds in general? just a hummus and feta thing? is the gov of israel wrong? are all the zionist think tanks wrong? what about all the legislation getting shoved thru congress in state after state? worthless? a waste of money? it just seems, if you’re hunch is correct, there lots of money and effort being flushed down the toilet.

        I worry about and feel sorry for the people of Gaza.

        yes you keep repeating this. we get it, you really want to communicate to us how much you worry and feel sorry for and fear for the people of gaza. as if repeating it will result in someone (anyone) believing you. maybe yonah, hops or boris will believe you — your fear. you likely tremble over it and toss and turn at night. so, for the record, we’ve been informed.

        so back to the hummus and feta, the whole anti bds thing, is it just a waste of time, money effort? do tell.

      • Kaisa of Finland
        May 20, 2017, 5:21 pm

        “I do not fear FROM them “..

        Thanks catalan, this is what you get when there is a “language handicapped” involving the discussion.. Anyway, many of the Israelis fear from (?) the Palestinians, so I guess it was easy to make that mistake.

        Anyway, thanks for correcting me!!

      • RoHa
        May 20, 2017, 8:26 pm

        Kaisa,

        I fear the people = I think the people will do nasty things to me = jag är rädd för folket

        I fear for the people = I think nasty things will happen to the people = jag är rädd om folket

        Confused me when I was learning Swedish. Damned prepositions.

      • RoHa
        May 20, 2017, 8:42 pm

        But your main point, that the Zionists don’t want to think of the Palestinians as ordinary people, still stands.

        (And my wife, who has lived and worked in English speaking countries for at least half her life, and has degrees from US and Australian universities, still sometimes stumbles over “a/an” and “the”. She takes a deep breath before tackling “parallel corollary”.

        I refuse to tell you what my Japanese is like, aside from admitting that it is almost entirely unlike Japanese.)

      • Kaisa of Finland
        May 21, 2017, 4:13 am

        RoHa:

        “Damned prepositions..”

        Yes, indeed!! They are one of my weakest points in English (as are the: a/an/the also, since there is nothing compareble in Finnish..) I know the “theory” behind them, but in practice.. Well, sometimes I just use them so wrong..

        And since this is where “my logics” come from:

        I fear the people: Pelkään ihmisiä = to fear=pelätä + I=-n = pel-kään , people=ihminen, plural=-i + postp.=-ä = ihmis-i-ä (singular being = ihmis-t-ä)

        I fear for the people: Pelkään ihmisten puolesta = for= -en + puolesta, plural=-t (singular being= ihmis-en puolesta)

        So what can I do, but to be humble, try my best and admit that mistakes will be made.. And ofcourse I am thankfull when corrected :) That’s anyway the only way to become better.. :) :) :)

        P.s. I think Japanese is pronounced somehow like Finnish, the vovels and everything, but that’s where the similarities end :) Not that I’d speak even one word of it, just heard when it has been spoken..

      • RoHa
        May 21, 2017, 6:14 am

        I had nothing against prepositions when I was a child in primary school. I quite liked them. Useful little words, I thought.

        It was high school that changed my attitude, for then I started learning Latin. I discovered that, in place of prepositions, Latin frequently used case endings, and had a bunch of different ones for different classes of words. And not only on nouns, but also, for reasons I have never understood, on adjectives. I had to learn them all. I was barely thirteen, and had already entered my declining years.

        To make it worse, Latin also had a bunch of prepositions, which sometimes acted like English prepositions, and sometimes didn’t. And when I learned Swedish, I found that you couldn’t trust Swedish prepositions either. I am now deeply suspicious of all prepositions, and keep a close, baleful, eye on the blasted things.

        But don’t start getting smug about postpositions. I don’t know about Finnish postpositions, but I can assure you that Japanese postpositions do not always behave themselves.

        So I can fully understand you having problems with the blasted things. Americans make it harder for you because they spatter totally superfluous ones around the place, and can’t tell the difference between “in” and “out”, and “on” and ” off”.

        Do remember, though, that a preposition is something you should not end a sentence with.

        Japanese has fewer vowels than Finnish, but it does have the distinction between single and double length vowels and consonants. Stress is pitch, rather than volume. No declension, but some of the adjectives are conjugated like verbs, and some aren’t. And you have to learn the honorific forms as well as the plain forms.

        You see why everyone should speak English?

      • Kaisa of Finland
        May 21, 2017, 9:16 am

        RoHa:

        :) !

        I once tried to learn some Chinese.. The same word would change completely in it’s meaning, if the intonation changed. Also those thousands of different symbols frustrated me and in the end I just gave up. I still remember how to say “Hello” = “Ni Hao”, but there the right intonation also is important and that is the only expression where I was able to get it somehow correct..

        So half a year and one expression.. Someone might call that a waste of time..

      • Kaisa of Finland
        May 21, 2017, 10:07 am

        I must add that the google translator does not really get the structure of Finnish language.. You’ll get hilarious translations and when sometimes used in translating “product data sheets” (?) it just becomes a totally “un-understandable” mess. So atleast now, we still need a human understanding when translating from one language to another..

      • RoHa
        May 24, 2017, 2:35 am

        Well, if you think mā, má, mă and are all the same word then it is no wonder you had trouble with Chinese. It’s rather like me thinking that jari and jaari, or kala and kalla are the same word. (I made those words up. If I am accidently saying something rude in Finnish, I apologise.) If you think of tone as part of the word, and not something added to it, it becomes a lot easier.
        Yes, there are rather a lot of characters to learn. If you know about the structure and etymology, then you can see the patterns in them, and that becomes a lot easier, too. But I still keep reaching for the dictionary.
        (Incidentally, most Chinese prepositions are verbs. For location they are frequently bolstered by a location word, which acts as a postpostion.)

    • eljay
      May 19, 2017, 9:20 pm

      || catalan: Beautiful lady. Looks like the hummus boycott has a ways to go before the Israelis get starved into submission. She must have missed the memo how Hamas is winning. ||

      You must be very secure in your knowledge that you and your Zionist co-collectivists have non-Zionist Jews lined up as cannon-fodder against the inevitable blowback. It’s the only reason I can think of for your repeated gloating over the current (but finite) resilience of your preferred brand of evil.

      Which continues to leave me at a loss to understand why Zionists hate Jews so much.

    • Misterioso
      May 19, 2017, 11:10 pm

      Catalan, you live in a hasbara induced fantasy land.
      The entity know as “Israel” is rotting ever faster within and increasingly viewed by people around the world, including Americans and enlightened Jews everywhere, especially all important youth, as a pariah, a blight on humanity.

      • Mooser
        May 20, 2017, 11:02 am

        “Catalan”, the US does have an extradition treaty with Israel.

  10. Ossinev
    May 20, 2017, 9:04 am

    @Roha
    “Certainly cringeworthy. Undeniably ugly. Any other suggestions?”

    Howsabout “Naff”?

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=naff

  11. Marnie
    May 21, 2017, 12:26 am

    Miri Regev always brings to my mind the expression ‘you can put lipstick on a pig, but it’s still a pig’. And there’s absolutely no limit for the lack of taste, style and culture, not to forget couture, on display 24/7 by the queen of stank, known in israel as MK of Culture.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAHvBaRXoAAAtUE.jpg

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