‘You are thieves of history!’ Hotovely tells Palestinians, waving books at them

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Speaking on Wednesday at the Knesset, Tzipi Hotoveli, Israel’s highest ranking diplomat, went on a rant against Palestinians, calling them “thieves of history”:

“You are thieves of history. Your history books are empty, and you are trying to co-opt Jewish history and Islamicize it.”

Hotoveli’s accusation was aimed at Palestinian-Israeli Members of Knesset, whom Israel doesn’t even consider Palestinian but rather ‘Israeli Arabs’. Hotoveli waved two books at them, the bible and Assaf Voll’s recent book, “History of the Palestinian People”, an empty 132-page book which was recently pulled from Amazon meant to suggest that no such history exists.

This book is empty. Do you know why it is empty? Because they have no kings, they have no heritage sites. The Palestinians are violating Jewish heritage sites. …

David, Moses, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Sarah, Rebecca, and Leah are the patriarchs and matriarchs of the Jewish nation. You will not succeed in Islamicizing them, you will not succeed in eradicating the bible.

Hotoveli is Israel’s Deputy Foreign Minister. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu holds the Foreign Ministry portfolio himself.

Her fulmination was set against the backdrop of the recent UNESCO resolution that lists Al-Khalil (Hebron) and the Al-Ibrahimi mosque (Tomb of Patriarchs) as Palestinian world heritage sites, an act which Israel’s Foreign Ministry spokesperson Immanuel Nahshon regarded as a promoting “fake history”, despite its recognition of the sites’ importance to the three Abrahamic religions – Judaism, Christianity and Islam. It was not the fact that the sites were recognized that enraged Israeli leaders, but that they were recognized as Palestinian.

When UNESCO accepted Palestine as a member in 2011 (thereby also recognizing it, as do ¾ of the UN member states), the US cut $50 million of its support as punishment.

This time, Israel cut funding to UN by another $1 million as punishment for the UNESCO resolution, adding to other cuts from the past year of $8 million (in response to UN Security Council Resolution 2334 and Human Rights Council resolutions condemning Israel). The likelihood is that Israel will only provide $2.7 million – less than one-fourth of its former fees.

Surely, Hotoveli is not the first to suggest that Palestinians don’t exist. Such claims have historically been made by Zionists from left to right. And the ‘leftists’ have been particularly good at it: From Ben-Gurion’s referring to them as “Arabs who happen to be in Palestine”, to Golda Meir’s “Palestinians? What Palestinians?” , to Moshe Dayan’s “no more Palestine – finished”. For Israel, ‘Palestine’ has been a notion that it sought to erase for all practical purposes; hence its refusal to recognize Palestine and to refer to Palestinian citizens merely as ‘Arabs’, despite over two-thirds of them identifying as Palestinians. It was only when ‘Palestine’ could be the name for “less than a state” (as Yitzhak Rabin assured Israelis, even as he signed Oslo accords), a set of Bantustans for which the disenfranchised Palestinians could be consigned under the Oslo Accords in mid-1990’s, that calling them ‘Palestinians’ could be accepted in Israeli discourse, which maintains that Palestinians are merely ‘Arabs’ if they are Israeli citizens.

Hotoveli’s empty-book act must surely be a first, wherein an Israeli lawmaker waved an empty book in support of such claims. Hotoveli’s absolutist notions about the erasure of Palestine couple with her absolutist views about Jewish rights to ‘Eretz Israel’, the historical ‘land of Israel’:

 “This land is ours. All of it is ours. We did not come here to apologize for that”,

Hotoveli said at her inaugural speech in 2015. She then continued in citing the medieval rabbi Rashi to bolster her claims, supposedly based upon the wish of God:

“Rashi says the Torah opens with the story of the creation of the world so that if the nations of the world come and tell you that you are occupiers, you must respond that all of the land belonged to the creator of the world and when he wanted to, he took from them and gave to us”, she said.

So there is supposedly no discussion to be had at all: God said so, according to Tzipi Hotoveli. And she projects her denial of Palestine and Palestinian history upon Palestinians. In a recent interview with 60 Minutes she said that Palestinians put “the denial of Israel as the first issue on the agenda” – despite their recognition of Israel per treaty in the Oslo Accords, a recognition which alas has not become reciprocal in any real way from Israel’s side.

So, Hotoveli keeps saying ‘Palestinians’. Now, do they exist, or do they not?

Indeed, consider the further irony here: who is Hotoveli speaking to in the Knesset? The Palestinian MK’s, those ‘Arab MK’s’, those ‘Israeli Arabs’ as Israel would have it. She addresses her anger about Palestinian recognition at them. But aren’t they supposed to be just ‘Arabs’? Aren’t they not supposed to exist as ‘Palestinians’?

Indeed, in her fundamentalist, hysterical, shameless and genocidal raving, Hotoveli actually comes to confirm the overarching Palestinian nationhood that cuts across Israel’s shallow and artificial attempts of degrading them and separating them from each other. Tzipi Hotoveli’s erasure narrative comes around 360 degrees, and confirms the existence of a one Palestinian nation. Books could be written about this, but Hotoveli’s model is an empty one.

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  1. a blah chick
    July 16, 2017, 2:20 pm

    Hotoveli’s waves around the Bible as definitive historical “fact.” Does she also believe that the sun can stand still in the sky and that ninety year old women can give birth?

    She ravings are straight out of Colonialism 101. Indiginous people are without history, no present and a dim future. “Real history” can only enlighten about the Jewish past, the only one worth talking about.

    • US Citizen
      July 17, 2017, 11:31 am

      Good point – aren’t the ‘Arabs” she is ranting to Palestinian? If Palestinians don’t exist then who is she talking too? These people are so desperate – it’s 2017 – when is this crap going to end.
      These arguments and slogans have become clichés and inside jokes, the classics include:

      “Israel made the desert bloom”

      “A land without a people, for a people without a land “

      Or my favorite: “There was never a state called Palestine” – they stick the word ‘state’ in there like it proves their worthless point.

      This last one I find especially entertaining, it clashes so wonderfully with other Israeli talking points. In the end it amounts to “We are under existential threat from the people who don’t exist.”

      • gamal
        July 17, 2017, 2:12 pm

        “In the end it amounts to “We are under existential threat from the people who don’t exist.” ”

        but they don’t know they don’t exist, thats the crux of the problem, she’s just trying to correct that anomaly, with an empty book.

      • Misterioso
        July 17, 2017, 2:29 pm

        Well and truly stated!!

    • festus
      July 17, 2017, 11:35 am

      What’s the ugliest part of your body? Some say its your nose, some say its your toes. I say its your mind.

      I think Frank Zappa had folks like this lady in mind when he penned those words.

    • GregMozart
      July 20, 2017, 10:50 am

      And what if the Bible is true? Then the Jews are the people chosen by God to be sovereign over the land of Israel. Most Palestinians are Muslim, and believe the same things about the 90 year old woman, who is the mother is Ishmael and grandmother of Esau. Your position depends on not believing it?

      Jews are indigenous people in Hebron as well. But under Muslim rule, they were not allowed to approach the Tomb of the Patriarchs. They could only go up to the 7th step. Why are you not outraged by the restrictions placed on Jews during centuries of Muslim rule, including by Jordan when it was ruling these areas?

      In 1929 there was a massacre of Jews by Arabs in Hebron. Jordan emptied the Old City of Jerusalem of synagogues and turned them into chicken coups. Jews faced many restrictions to come worship there. Let’s be fair here – Islamization takes place as well, where Muslims rule, where even Christian Palestinians have largely fled their holy sites such as Bethlehem. It was 86% Christian in 1950, now 12%. This is not “Real history”? It’s happening now.

      I care about Muslim rights to worship at their own holy sites. Why nothing was said about Jewish rights to worship at their own holy sites. Why even today Jews are not allowed by Muslims to pray on the Temple Mount, which is obviously the site where their temple stood, and now just have a portion of the Western Wall of the courtyard? Meanwhile, even metal detectors after a shooting where Druze were killed, trigger a “day of rage”.

      I prefer the government that allows freedom of worship to everyone. The government that has actually done the best so far in this area is the Israeli government. While there are certainly legitimate criticisms of every government, we have seen the alternatives. And no one speaks up when Jews for millennia have their religious rights denied. And no one is speaking up now when Christians fled Bethlehem.

      You may not believe in the Bible, but the majority of people in the region do. And they are very traditional.

      • YoniFalic
        July 21, 2017, 7:24 am

        It should be obvious to anyone with half brain that Palestinians descend from Greco-Roman Judeans while European Jews descend from relatively recent converts to Rabbinic Judaism, which is quite unlike the Judaism of antiquity.

        If anyone is stealing history, the thief is a white racist genocidal European settler colonist invader in Palestine.

      • Mooser
        July 21, 2017, 1:07 pm

        “And what if the Bible is true?”

        And what if the things you are liable to read in the Bible just ain’t necessarily so? Was little Moses found in a stream where he floated on water till old Pharaoh’s daughter fished him (she said) from that stream?

      • RoHa
        July 22, 2017, 12:14 am

        Mooser, when a single girl produces a baby, she’s got to come up with some sort of excuse.

      • Mooser
        July 22, 2017, 12:58 pm

        ” when a single girl produces a baby, she’s got to come up with some sort of excuse”

        Not to me, she doesn’t. She fished him, she said, from that stream. Adoption is a good thing.

      • Talkback
        July 22, 2017, 12:59 pm

        GregMozart: “Why nothing was said about Jewish rights to worship at their own holy sites. Why even today Jews are not allowed by Muslims to pray on the Temple Mount, which is obviously the site where their temple stood, and now just have a portion of the Western Wall of the courtyard?”

        Do you actually know that Israel forbids Jews to pray there and so does Jewish law?

  2. Ossinev
    July 16, 2017, 2:49 pm

    Just another raving Zio Flat Earther methinks.
    “when he wanted to, he took from them and gave to us”, she said.”

    Even more bizarre is that if this Ziologic if applied to Germany in the 1930`s and 1940`s equates to saying the creator decided that the Jews should be exterminated en masse and simply used the Nazis as his tools ?

    • a blah chick
      July 16, 2017, 5:04 pm

      Unfortunately this Flat earther is the deputy Foreign Minister and will get listened to.

    • JWalters
      July 18, 2017, 7:14 pm

      This woman clearly belongs in an institution under the care of a psychiatrist.

  3. MHughes976
    July 16, 2017, 3:50 pm

    Did Rashi really use a word equivalent to ‘occupiers’?
    The Palestinians have lived in obedience to many kings, though their dominions usually extended beyond Palestine, and they lived a cultural life that was part of the wider cultural life of the ME. The Jews have over the centuries also lived in obedience and loyalty to many kings, ones whose dominions did not usually include Palestine. So what conclusion follows?

  4. eljay
    July 16, 2017, 4:06 pm

    Like all Zionists, Ms. Hotovely is a hateful and immoral hypocrite who approves of supremacism when it is done by and for people who choose to hold the religion-based identity of Jewish.

    • DaBakr
      July 18, 2017, 4:16 am

      “Like all zionists”…. Really into the whole us and them scenario. Very advanced

      • eljay
        July 18, 2017, 9:18 am

        || @Br: “Like all zionists”…. Really into the whole us and them scenario. Very advanced ||

        Says the “anyone who doesn’t agree with ‘right’ of Jews to be colonialist supremacists is a Jew-hating anti-Semite” Zionist. Very amusing. :-)

      • ErsatzYisrael
        July 18, 2017, 9:44 pm

        DaBakr on July 18, 2017, 4:16 am:

        “Like all zionists”…. Really into the whole us and them scenario. Very advanced

        Really, db, with you being the so very pious little zio you are and all, and with “the whole us and them scenario” being the sine qua non of your cancerous Zionist ideology, if there’s anyone guaranteed to be really into the whole us and them scenario, it’s you.

  5. Citizen
    July 16, 2017, 4:19 pm

    Yes, HItler himself chalked it up to “Providence.” The Jewish Israelis (and helpers in Western countries) have channeled his notion of “lebensraum” too. Just as if there had been no Nuremberg Trials, or Tokyo Trials, or Geneva IV.

  6. Keith
    July 16, 2017, 5:23 pm

    JONATHAN OFIR- “Her fulmination was set against the backdrop of the recent UNESCO resolution that lists Al-Khalil (Hebron) and the Al-Ibrahimi mosque (Tomb of Patriarchs) as Palestinian world heritage sites….”

    No it didn’t. According to Uri Avnery, it designated these as World Heritage Sites located in Palestine.

    “If I had stopped to think for a moment, I would have realized that the whole thing was nonsense. UNESCO does not assign places to nations. World Heritage sites are – well – the heritage of the entire world. As a detail, these declarations mention in which country each World Heritage site is located.

    The holy church in Nazareth is located in Israel, but it does not “belong” to Israel. The graves of holy Jewish rabbis in Russia or Egypt do not belong to Israel. UNESCO did not say that the Machpelah-al-Haram al-Ibrahim site belongs to the Palestinians. It said that it is located in Palestine.

    Why Palestine? Because, according to international law, the town of Hebron is part of Palestine, which was recognized by the UN as a state under occupation. Under Israeli law, too, Hebron is not a part of Israel proper but under military occupation.” (Uri Avnery) https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/07/14/abe-izzy-bibi/

    • Jonathan Ofir
      July 17, 2017, 1:24 am

      Keith, “No it didn’t. According to Uri Avnery, it designated these as World Heritage Sites located in Palestine” –

      But that doesn’t negate what I wrote either. Is Al-Khalil in Palestine? Yes, says most of the world community. Is it then a Palestinian city? Yes. That’s not really complicated.

      • Sibiriak
        July 17, 2017, 3:23 am

        Jonathan Ofir: Is Al-Khalil in Palestine? Yes, says most of the world community. Is it then a Palestinian city? Yes. That’s not really complicated.
        ——————

        Actually it is a bit complicated. The word “Palestinian” can refer to geographical location, but it can also refer to ethno-national identity or de facto sovereignty.

        Thus a Palestinian city could be in Israel, or in Lebanon or elsewhere, not necessarily in Palestine.

        Ma’ale Adumim is in Palestine. But is it a “Palestinian city”?

        Wikipedia has it on its list of Israeli cities , along with four others that are located in the West Bank.

        Israeli cities in this list are the cities in Israel, and Israeli settlements with city status in the occupied West Bank; [emphasis in the original]

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_in_Israel

      • Jonathan Ofir
        July 17, 2017, 10:30 am

        Sibirisk, is Haifa an Israeli city? I would say yes, it is located in Israel. Does it also have a substantial Palestinian population? I would say yes, as over 2/3 of Israel’s Palestinian citizen population considers itself ‘Palestinian’ and not as Israel defines them – ‘Israeli Arabs’. Does this make Haifa into a Palestinian, or partly Palestinian city? Only under certain historical and cultural notions, but mostly it would be considered an Israeli city. Are the Bahai gardens in Haifa Israeli sites? I would say yes, they are located in Israel.

        You see, it’s not that big of an issue anyway, to formulate ‘Palestinian heritage sites’. So yes, you can say ‘Heritage sites located in Palestine’, but I don’t see the great issue here.

        As to the Israeli settlements – yes the world community understands they are made BY Israel as illegal settlements – as war crimes really – but they are not considered within Israeli territory.

        It’s obvious that Israel would promote listing its big settlement blocks as ‘Israeli cities’, but they are just Israeli illegal settlements.

      • Talkback
        July 17, 2017, 10:32 am

        Sibiriak: “… but it can also refer to ethno-national identity …”

        Nope. Not at all. The term “Palestinan” is a term of a constitutive people created in 1925 which refers to the legal citizens of Palestine. That’s why the PLO even in 1964 considered native Jews to be “Palestinians”, too. The term has nothing to do with ethnicity of religion. The Hasbara trolls are correct when they claim that Palestinians are not a people in an ethnic or religious sense. But that’s just a distraction from the fact that “Palestinians” are actually more. They are a real nationality/citizenship and nation. Something Jews will neverbe, because there is no state in which someone can become Jewish by acquiring its citizenship.

      • echinococcus
        July 17, 2017, 11:15 am

        Sibiriak,

        Ma’ale Adumim is in Palestine. But is it a “Palestinian city”?
        Wikipedia has it on its list of… </blockquote

        Yeah, some authorities on international law you have now.

      • Sibiriak
        July 17, 2017, 1:27 pm

        echinococcus: Yeah, some authorities on international law you have now.
        —————-

        I made no reference to international law. I was referring to actual linguistic usage, whether right or wrong legally, morally or whatever.

      • Sibiriak
        July 17, 2017, 1:33 pm

        Jonathan Ofir: they are just Israeli illegal settlements.

        ———————–

        Nevertheless, they are Israeli settlements in Palestine, not “Palestinian settlements”.

      • Keith
        July 17, 2017, 1:34 pm

        JONATHAN OFIR- “Is Al-Khalil in Palestine? Yes, says most of the world community. Is it then a Palestinian city? Yes. That’s not really complicated.”

        No, it is not complicated. Either Uri Avnery is correct that UNESCO has listed the Cave of Machpelah (Al-Ibrahimi mosque (Tomb of Patriarchs)?) as a World Heritage Site located in Palestine or you and Netanyahu are correct that “UNESCO has declared that the Cave of Machpelah in Hebron is a Palestinian heritage site.” (per Uri Avnery). Which is it? What is the difference? Did you read the Avnery article I linked? It is the difference between location and ownership. Netanyahu is misrepresenting the listing as a theft of Jewish patrimony for emotional appeal. You too? Why the umbrage? Why so defensive? I find your focusing on al-Khalil to be a tad disingenuous. I encourage all to read my link to Uri Avnery to see his point concerning the consequences of this misrepresentation of the UNESCO World Heritage designation.

      • echinococcus
        July 17, 2017, 2:52 pm

        Sibiriak,

        I apologize: I had missed that,

        But then, there is no one “usage” and no sociolinguistic considerations apply for any consensus where war is raging.
        To Zionists, sympathizers and journalists it may well be “Israeli city in Israel/Erets yissraël/Palestine etc” but to an anti-Zionist even such a Zionist military camp in Palestine might well be Palestinian.

        Besides, UNESCO usage follows or should follow international law strictly: no usage vagaries for their formulations.

    • Jonathan Ofir
      July 18, 2017, 12:42 pm

      Keith, yes, I have read Uri Avneri’s piece.
      He seeks to ironically present a response which he regards as overwhelmingly Israeli, and it goes like this:

      “And here comes UNESCO, the anti-Semitic cultural branch of the anti-Semitic UN, and declares that this is a Palestinian holy site!

      Is there no limit to Jew-baiting?”

      Now, you make a big point of distinction between location and ownership – as does Avneri. His point is, that it’s not a Palestinian site as such – it’s just LOCATED in Palestine. If it were the former rather than the latter, then, according to Avneri’s irony, it would naturally justify the ‘anti-semitic’ perception.

      But would this perception be justified in itself?

      It was Netanyahu who played this straw-man, when he said in this respect “Palestinian…meaning not Jewish”.
      But why does ‘Palestinian’ mean ‘not Jewish’?
      Can a site not be located in Palestine, generally regarded as a Palestinian site just as various churches are Israeli sites, and maintain its relevance and significance for various religions – just as UNESCO affirms?

      Avneri’s logic seems to somehow justify this conflation of state and religion – suggesting that only when it is specified and clarified that it is merely a ‘location’, then the alarm is off. But the question is why the alarm goes on in the first place.

      • Jonathan Ofir
        July 18, 2017, 12:52 pm

        And if it wasn’t clear enough this time, I had clarified the case in my earlier article on the UNESCO resolution, where I also cited Orly Noy’s take:
        “Esther and Mordechai’s Tomb in Hamadan, Iran is recognized by the Iranian authorities as a Jewish site, yet no one would dream of calling it an Israeli site. Just as the Church of the Multiplication in northern Israel is a Christian site, yet is located in Israel and therefore an Israeli site.”

        See, ‘Christian’ and ‘Israeli’ can go together. One is a location, the other a religious affiliation. They can, and should be able to overlap, no big deal really.

  7. jd65
    July 16, 2017, 7:58 pm

    Wow. A comment of mine was censored/disapproved/monitored and removed from this thread. Interesting. I guess I’ll never know why?

  8. echinococcus
    July 16, 2017, 11:58 pm

    The “Palestinians do not exist” statement is part of the essence of the Zionist program; it was formulated to be a self-fulfilling prophecy. Its increasingly forceful repetition announces accelerated genocide.

    • Talkback
      July 17, 2017, 10:36 am

      Actually no Jew who lived in the Ottoman Empire and ipso facto became a citizen of Palestine would have claimed that Palestinians do not exist. That’s just a delusion of genocidal foreign settlers and their supremacist brats.

      • echinococcus
        July 17, 2017, 12:18 pm

        Not a delusion, Talkback. A deliberate Goebbelsian tactic avant la lettre, in fact already in the early 1930s, to prepare and justify American-scale genocide.

        Besides, British-granted Palestinian citizenship is also fake, as it advantaged Zionist pirates after they had announced their hostile takeover intention and after the British had announced, in Balfour’s note, their intent to violate the formal terms of their future mandate

  9. Marnie
    July 17, 2017, 1:09 am

    Hotovely is one of many disgusting politicians in the knesset who has been mainstreaming the claim that palestinians are a fiction attempting to co-opt jewish history and claim it as their own. Another case of projection or if you repeat that lie enough it will eventually be believed, not because there’s merit to it, that doesn’t even matter. What matters is wearing down you detractors.

    And another artiste of the poor me crowd. King booboo and his sickening display of self-pity; the endless martyr, supreme victim, to a French audience. There is no history that matters but jewish history, no one has suffered but jews, jews are in constant danger, antisemitism, islamic terror, blah, blah, YAWWWWNNNN. What a ridiculous carnival of the absurd! This huckster, pimp, criminal, murderous SOB belongs in jail along with his cabinet and cohorts.Shame on all of them.

    • lyn117
      July 17, 2017, 6:10 pm

      Do you ever notice how zionists co-opt the language? For example claiming Jews have right to “self determination” in Palestine. Removing illegal settlers would be “ethnic cleansing”

      • Talkback
        July 17, 2017, 9:30 pm

        Yes. They are so stupid, that they don’t even realize that they are making a case for Palestinians, delegitimazing Israel and revealing their hypocricy.

      • echinococcus
        July 17, 2017, 9:45 pm

        Ah well. Wishing a merry Christmas is already genocide.

      • Marnie
        July 19, 2017, 1:12 am

        They are under the impression that what they say is profound, honest and defensible and they’re speaking directly to their base, their parasitic scum in arms in washington, their evangelical zionist supporters, their jewish supporters and of course their hillbillies squatting like only slothful, overindulged, overfed, spoiled rotten, wannabe lords and ladies on land that isn’t theirs could. I wish I could find the quote I had read from a book about the period of reconstruction; the book started right before the civil war. A French visitor to the american south described plantation ‘masters’ and ‘mistresses’ as they really were, white trash, but said trash expected to be treated like kings and queens without a drop of noble blood in them. Describes the zionists and the republican party imo, to a “T”.

        Plus these fools actually believe people everyone is stupid and can be bought, bribed or threatened to continue to go along with their criminal enterprise. How much longer Lord?

  10. JosephA
    July 17, 2017, 1:14 am

    Has Tzipi Hotoveli lost her damn mind?

  11. Paranam Kid
    July 17, 2017, 4:34 am

    The ranting & raving of Hotovely & her fellow government officials like ‘yahu, Bennett, Liebermann & others clearly demonstrates that israel is well aware its actions, behaviour, and policies vis-a-vis the Palestinians lack any legitimacy. Someone who is sure of his/her position, and demonstrably so, does scream, shout, denigrate at others, he/she does not need to.

    israel, on the other hand, has had numerous UN resolutions against it, and has not been able to demonstrate cogently that its de facto annexations & apartheid system are right. It only behaves in a thuggish way when these things are questioned.

    Regarding the bible, apart from the fact of course that the bible does not constitute a historic document nor a land lease nor any other form of contract to base our earthly activities on, Jeremy R. Hammond has also proffered quotations from the bible itself which demonstrate the the Jews have no right to israel anymore.

    In his essay “Top Ten Myths About The Israeli-Palestinian Conflict”, “Myth 8 – God gave the land to the Jews, so the Arabs are the occupiers”, he summarises the bible quotations (that he gives in his essay to prove his point) as follows:

    “What Jewish and Christian Zionists omit from their Biblical arguments in favor of continued Israel occupation is that Yahweh also told the Hebrews, including the tribe of Judah (from whom the “Jews” are descended), that he would remove them from the land if they broke
    the covenant by rebelling against his commandments, which is precisely what occurs in the Bible.

    Thus, the theological argument for Zionism is not only bunk from a secular point of view, but is also a wholesale fabrication from a scriptural perspective, representing a continued rebelliousness against Yahweh and his Torah …”.

    • RoHa
      July 17, 2017, 10:00 am

      “Yahweh also told the Hebrews, including the tribe of Judah (from whom the “Jews” are descended), that he would remove them from the land if they broke
      the covenant by rebelling against his commandments, which is precisely what occurs in the Bible.”

      Mooser pointed this out years ago.

      • Mooser
        July 17, 2017, 12:22 pm

        “Mooser pointed this out years ago.”

        It’s very useful for stopping those “Man, how did you end up here?” questions dead in their tracks.

      • Paranam Kid
        July 18, 2017, 3:54 am

        So what????? What’s the relevance of your comment?

      • Mooser
        July 18, 2017, 11:28 am

        “What’s the relevance of your comment?”

        “RoHa” is pointing out, (and quite correctly, too) that if I knew of it, it can’t be anything too esoteric or require a great depth of knowledge.

      • Paranam Kid
        July 19, 2017, 4:07 am

        @Mooser & @RoHa
        Even if Mooser knew about it a few years ago, the world does not turn around Mooser, so his knowing does not mean the rest of the world knows about it too. In other words, there is nothing wrong with repeating certain things a few years down the road because people generally have a short term memory.

      • MHughes976
        July 19, 2017, 9:20 am

        It’s some of what occurs in the Bible, but so does restoration after suffering and sacrifice – notably in 2nd Isaiah. Wieselism seems to me to be a theology in this spirit.

      • Mooser
        July 19, 2017, 12:48 pm

        “Even if Mooser knew about it a few years ago”

        I’ve known about it since I was a kid. And if I knew about it, everybody did. Heck, if I knew it, it’s because it was impossible not to know about it. Everybody knows that.

      • Mooser
        July 20, 2017, 4:59 pm

        “It’s some of what occurs in the Bible, but so does restoration after suffering and sacrifice “

        Okay, but I would feel sort of presumptuous deciding when the amount of “suffering and sacrifice” entitles the return, so I’ll leave it up to God.

  12. TerryHeaton
    July 17, 2017, 8:40 am

    I see. So “modern” history begins in 1948. Nice.

    • Paranam Kid
      July 18, 2017, 4:01 am

      @TerryHeaton
      Before 1948 israel did not exist, neither did “israelis”. You can start history before 1948, but it does not get any better. Before the zionists set foot in Palestine, the Jews & Arabs in Palestine were living in harmony & peace.

      As soon as the zionists arrived they started with the implementation of their sick, Nazi like ideology, and Nazi methods of terrorism against what they saw as the “Untermenschen” (Palestinians), and useless Jews who did not want to accept zionism.

      israel is predicated on zionism, which is why it has become an ethnocratic apartheid state, which lacks any legitimacy in its current form.

  13. Talkback
    July 17, 2017, 9:48 am

    Well, Hotovely, too is just another ascendant of Jewish foreign settlers who made the dessert bloom. Her parents came from the country Georgia. That’s why she doesn’t know that Jewish natives were citizens of Palestine until 1948. The empty book just reflects her knowledge.

    • Talkback
      July 17, 2017, 9:39 pm

      Oops, I mean “descendant” of course.

      • Sibiriak
        July 17, 2017, 10:21 pm

        I thought you were making some clever reference to aliyah .

  14. CigarGod
    July 17, 2017, 11:01 am

    Everywhere I look, it seems more ink is given to the lunatic mob than to people of integrity and reason.

    • DaBakr
      July 18, 2017, 4:13 am

      @cg

      I know. The more I search the more ink I see from the lunatic left fringe like MW, Phil and his peanut gallery along with similar electronic intifada loons. 972 loons, ma’an liars, the absolute nincompoops whose public hate speeches are translated accurately by memri. And yes, I see the increasing amount of out and out lunatic Jewish Zionist who spew nothing but hate for Muslims, they generalize Muslims and it’s disgusting but it doesn’t change how Israel is soso differently perceived by non Muslim majority nations or nations like India taking stock of their own ancient religions. And China coming to realize that get very little tangible inn return from Arab nations most fanatical about destroying Israel. And all Russia EVER wanted was it’s unimpeded naval base at tarkus, which between trump, Bibi and pute have preserved that while Assad while likely on my gain back a small feifdom to oppress and no longer hours Sunni majority.

  15. Misterioso
    July 17, 2017, 2:41 pm

    Racist/fascist Hotovely’s comments bring to mind this recently released news item:

    http://www.carbonated.tv/news/anti-terror-fantasy-military-camps-become-tourist-attraction-israel

    “Tourists In Israel Can Now Pretend To Kill Palestinians For Only $115”

    “Shocking?” NO! “Consistent?” YES!!

    • eljay
      July 17, 2017, 3:03 pm

      || Misterioso: … http://www.carbonated.tv/news/anti-terror-fantasy-military-camps-become-tourist-attraction-israel … ||

      For $115 you’d think they’d throw in a pair of Captain Israel underpants.

    • a blah chick
      July 17, 2017, 3:29 pm

      What’s really funny is that if these wanna-be commandos met an actual guerrilla they’d probably piss their pants.

      • Misterioso
        July 17, 2017, 5:21 pm

        @ a blah chick

        That’s what frequently happened when they took on Hezbollah and Hamas on the ground. Thieves seldom make good soldiers.

        During the years I lived in the region, UN observers frequently told me that Israel’s troops are not at all what they’re cracked up to be, that without ultra-sophisticated aircraft and assorted weaponry (US supplied), they are no match for well trained Arab soldiers.

      • RoHa
        July 17, 2017, 8:37 pm

        I suspect that, with their recent, and clearly successful, on-the-job training, the Syrian Army and Hezbollah would be particularly tough opponents.

      • Emory Riddle
        July 18, 2017, 8:40 am

        Raised in fear and paranoia makes people very susceptible to programming but also creates cowards.

      • Marnie
        July 19, 2017, 11:29 am

        …”they are no match for well trained Arab soldiers.”

        They’re no match for palestinian civilians.

        Palestinian women prevent an Israeli soldier from arresting … – YouTube

      • RoHa
        July 19, 2017, 8:05 pm

        “They’re no match for palestinian civilians.”

        Perhaps not the grown ups, but they do perform pretty well against small children, and even take their bikes.

      • amigo
        July 20, 2017, 12:36 pm

        “What’s really funny is that if these wanna-be commandos met an actual guerrilla they’d probably piss their pants.” ABC.

        What , and display their cowardice for all to behold.Nope , they would hightail it , to the nearest refugee camp and find a Palestinians bed to piss on.

        http://mondoweiss.net/2015/05/shit-israeli-soldiers/

      • eljay
        July 20, 2017, 1:52 pm

        || a blah chick: What’s really funny is that if these wanna-be commandos met an actual guerrilla they’d probably piss their pants. ||

        Not if they’re wearing their

        Captain Israel Incontinence Undergarments™
                 You gotta pee…but there’s no time to flee.

    • RoHa
      July 17, 2017, 8:40 pm

      I noticed,that on the WHR site. It struck me as e poor business model. Surely it would be more economical for the tourists to shoot real Palestinians.

      • echinococcus
        July 17, 2017, 9:54 pm

        Nah. Getting paid by the executioners instead of paying them would be too close to an antisemitic stereotype.

        Your commas, please!

      • RoHa
        July 17, 2017, 11:15 pm

        Good grief! I was using my i-Pad, with my cat interfering, and not only hit comma instead of space, but also e where I wanted a.

        Years of carefully nurtured reputation gone in a single mis-stroke!

    • Paranam Kid
      July 18, 2017, 4:18 am

      Misterioso, you are spot on once again, and thanks a lot for bringing this to our attention. Amazing that the Calibre 3 camp was established as early as 2003, and only a small group of people know about it. Furthermore, there is obviously no limit to the depths of deprivation the nazionist “country” has sunk to. It is truly sickening.

      Going a step further, what would the world, yes the world, say if an Arab country would have camps like this with target pictures that looked like Jews.

  16. Ossinev
    July 17, 2017, 6:26 pm

    @Misterioso
    “During the years I lived in the region, UN observers frequently told me that Israel’s troops are not at all what they’re cracked up to be, that without ultra-sophisticated aircraft and assorted weaponry (US supplied), they are no match for well trained Arab soldiers”

    Credit where credit is due though. They are unrivalled in the region and the world at large when it comes to 3 a.m. raids on defenceless family homes and snatching of terrified 8 year old children.

  17. [email protected]
    July 17, 2017, 8:41 pm

    Just wondering what would happen if an deputy foreign minister of any Arab nation waved around an empty book describing Jewish history? I’m sure it would make CNN, the New York Times, and comments from the leadership of both mainstream parties. And yet all 100 senators and all 50 governors can enthusiastically sign a letter stating how unfairly Israel is treated and singled out. Hmmm, so in other words Israel’s leaders get to negate and defame another people without a squawk from Zero of our politicians, yet if Israel is asked to uphold human rights, 100% will squawk about how unfair Israel is treated.

  18. Talkback
    July 18, 2017, 8:29 am

    I have two pieces of empty white sheets. One documents that Hotovely is a descendant of ancient Hebrews that lived in Palestine thousands of years ago. The other one documents the legal entitlement of foreign Jewish settlers to Palestine.For example her Georgian parents.

    And one empty book that documents the exile of Jews and how the diaspora was created.

  19. Brewer
    July 18, 2017, 4:21 pm

    Nice new archive – high quality photographs of the non-existent:
    http://www.palestinephotoproject.org/Gallery-Folder

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