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Joe Biden addressing the the 2012 Rabbinical Assembly National Convention
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Speaking to an international assembly of 1,600 conservative rabbis in Atlanta  todayself-proclaimed Zionist Joe Biden said that Israel still had time to attack Iran if it so chooses.
 

“The window has not closed in terms of the Israelis if they choose to act on their own militarily,” the Vice President told the congregation.  “I would not contract out my security to anybody, even a loyal, loyal, loyal friend like the United States.”

This is not the first time Biden has made such a comment.  During an appearance on the ABC’s “This Week,” Biden told George Stephanopoulos, “Look, we cannot dictate to another sovereign nation what they can and cannot do when they make a determination — if they make a determination — that they’re existentially threatened and their survival is threatened by another country.”  Biden comments were immediately walked back by the Obama campaign.

The claim that Iran somehow poses an “existential threat” to Israel is of course a long-running propaganda line often employed to fear-monger about Iran’s nuclear energy program.  This view, however, is not shared by numerous Israeli officials including former IDF chief of staff Dan Halutz, former Mossad head Ephraim Halevy, and current Mossad head Tamir Pardo.  Even Israel’s hawkish Defense Minister Ehud Barak, who is leading the push toward an Israeli attack on Iran, said in 2009, “I am not among those who believe Iran is an existential issue for Israel.  Israel is strong, I don’t see anyone who could pose an existential threat.”

Still, Biden declared, “We will prevent Iran from acquiring a nuke by whatever means necessary, period.”  A strong claim, to be sure, but one that rings a bit silly considering that accordingto the United States, the IAEA, and Israel - Iran isn’t building nuclear weapons.

The Jewish Telegraph Agency reports that, during his speech today, the “vice president also called efforts to delegitimize Israel ‘the most significant assault’ on Israel since its independence.”  In an effort to burnish the Obama administration’s Zionist credentials, Biden insisted, “At every point in our Administration, at every juncture, we have stood up for the legitimacy of the state of Israel.”

For Biden, it seems, Israel’s war crime light is still green…even if its armistice line isn’t.

In the strangest comment of the day, though, Biden spoke of internal Iranian politics:

“The dissension between Ahmadinejad and the Supreme Leader is palpable. They will not both be around two years from now, and my bet is that Ahmadinejad is gone.”

Clearly, Biden is nothing if not a deft gambler.  Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad will absolutely not be in office two years from, but it’s not because of Biden’s prescient prophesy.  Iran has constitutionally mandated presidential term limits, just like we do here in the U.S.  Ahmadinejad is almost three years into his second terms as president, which means that, by 2014, he will undoubtedly be “gone” from the Iranian executive regardless of what tea leaves Biden is reading…or smoking.

But Biden has long had problems understanding and retaining facts when it comes to foreign policy.  For instance, in his 2008 debate against Sarah Palin, he bizarrely claimed, among other things, that prior to 2006, the United States, together with France, “kicked Hezbollah out of Lebanon” and insisted that the United States has the right and obligation “to keep the UN in line.”  It is unsurprising that, at a campaign stop in Seattle in October 2008, Biden admitted, “I’ve forgotten more about foreign policy than most of my colleagues know.”

Regarding the Obama administration’s pro-Israel efforts, Biden told the crowd of rabbis, “I’m proud of our record.  No president since Harry Truman has done more for Israel’s physical security than Barack Obama.”

Evoking Truman is a bold move.  Yes, is it true that the only person in history to authorize a nuclear attack on a civilian population (twice) that resulted in calculated, deliberate mass murder, dismissed the advice of his own State Department officials when he recognized the nascent State of Israel on May 14, 1948, just eleven minutes after it declared itself a nation.

In November 1945, Truman reportedly told a gathering of U.S. diplomats who were urging a more balanced American approach to the looming Palestine issue, “I’m sorry, gentlemen, but I have to answer to hundreds of thousands who are anxious for the success of Zionism. I do not have hundreds of thousands of Arabs among my constituents.”  Of course, there were hundreds of thousands of citizens of Arab descent living in the U.S. at the time, but since they were not as well organized or funded as their Zionist counterparts, from a political standpoint they might as well not have existed at all.

Of course, the same goes for Biden, his boss, and the U.S. Congress now.

Yet, in a diary entry written on July 21, 1947, Truman reacted harshly to demands made of him that day by his Treasury Secretary and staunch Zionist Henry Morganthau, Jr. regarding the Jewish refugees from Europe settling in Palestine.  Truman wrote, “He’d no business, whatever to call me. The Jews have no sense of proportion nor do they have any judgement on world affairs.”  He continued,

The Jews, I find are very, very selfish. They care not how many Estonians, Latvians, Finns, Poles, Yugoslavs or Greeks get murdered or mistreated as D[isplaced] P[ersons] as long as the Jews get special treatment. Yet when they have power, physical, financial or political neither Hitler nor Stalin has anything on them for cruelty or mistreatment to the under dog. Put an underdog on top and it makes no difference whether his name is Russian, Jewish, Negro, Management, Labor, Mormon, Baptist he goes haywire. I’ve found very, very few who remember their past condition when prosperity comes.

Biden didn’t relay this particular tidbit to the assembly of rabbis.

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  1. Rusty Pipes
    Rusty Pipes
    May 8, 2012, 6:13 pm

    I think Biden was sent to deliver a little realism (in his own inimitable style) tucked in among the standard “we love Israel no matter what” professions. Just as Biden took the bullet for the Pollard no-release decision (“over my dead body”), here, he is saying that the Obama administration is not going to attack Iran for Israel.

    The rest is commentary.

  2. HarryLaw
    HarryLaw
    May 8, 2012, 6:15 pm

    Telling the Israelis that they still have time to attack Iran, even as the talks with the 5+1 have just got underway and seem to be going well, are the words of a war criminal, this lunatic is a disgrace to his office, as for being an Israel supporter, an attack on Iran would unite the Arab and wider world against Israel and would surely hasten its demise.

    • ToivoS
      ToivoS
      May 9, 2012, 4:22 pm

      Response here to Rusty Pipes and Harry Law. Two sensible responses but in complete opposition. I have to agree with RP. Even as someone who has managed a political campaign and advised the successful candidate while in office, it is sometimes difficult to decipher what a politician really means when dealing with a sensitive subject.

      Biden’s task was to deliver the message to the rabbis that the US was not going to attack Iran on Israel’s behalf. Problem here is how to deliver that message without insulting his audience. His speech, if a little histrionic by my standards, is how I would have designed it. Deliver the message and wrap it is standard boiler plate that does not commit the US to anything we have not already promised Israel.

  3. Daniel Rich
    Daniel Rich
    May 8, 2012, 6:59 pm

    Israel will not attack Iran. A bully progresses [only] through the exploitation of perceived weaknesses in others and the bluff of believing in its own strength. That changed in 2006. No imminent attack on Iran [smaller, weaker groups, yes, perhaps].

  4. pabelmont
    pabelmont
    May 8, 2012, 7:12 pm

    “The Jews, I find are very, very selfish. (etc.)” Great quote. If any USA pol ever reads the riot act to Israel, they might recite that and then give chapter and verse on [a] the Gaza bit and the occupation and the exiles and [b] the AIPAC and USa pols bit. Imagine the American reaction to all this if the MSM published it. If USA presidents still gave fireside chats, and if the nation listened to them, what a chat that would be.

    Maybe after Israel attacks Iran.

    • seafoid
      seafoid
      May 9, 2012, 5:02 am

      It’s very disturbing to see the US VP delivering a war mongering message to a gathering of Jewish religious leaders. What was that about the separation of church and state in Israel? Why should rabbis be involved in mass murder? And what does the meeting say to the people of the middle East ?

      • Citizen
        Citizen
        May 15, 2012, 1:51 pm

        seafoid, the US government does not really care about winning over the hearts and minds of the Arab St in the ME, and ditto re American Muslims. Put simply, they don’t have an AIPAC nor Sheldon Adelson Special Forces. And Dick and Jane have been led to believe in Ali Baba & The 1.3 Billion Terrorists.

  5. lysias
    lysias
    May 8, 2012, 7:15 pm

    Looks like Israeli nukes and U.S. intransigence may put the kibosh on the nuclear conference due to be held this year: Mideast nuclear conference in jeopardy:

    VIENNA (AP) — Hopes dimmed Tuesday for staging major nuclear talks later this year between Israel and its Muslim rivals, as Iran and Arab countries at a 189-nation conference accused Israel of being the greatest threat to peace in the region and Egypt warned that Arab states might rethink their opposition to atomic arms.

    Because Israel has not signed the nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty, it was not present at Tuesday’s gathering of treaty members. But the United States defended its ally, warning that singling out Israel for criticism diminished chances of a planned meeting between it and its Muslim neighbors to explore the prospect of a Middle East free of weapons of mass destruction.

    • ahhiyawa
      ahhiyawa
      May 9, 2012, 8:42 am

      A nuclear free M/E zone and the Iranian P5+1 venue are separate issues.

  6. lysias
    lysias
    May 8, 2012, 7:17 pm

    Before he became vice president, Biden opposed war with Iran and called for negotiations: Joe Biden: Iran War “Would Be A Disaster”.

    • Citizen
      Citizen
      May 15, 2012, 1:55 pm

      Joe “Chicklets-Plugs” Beiden, the icon of Irish bluster, who plagiarized that Brit Labor Party leaders speech back in the day. The “Beiden Seat”, in Delaware, the home of predatory capitalism’s incorporation.

  7. gingershot
    gingershot
    May 8, 2012, 7:19 pm

    Biden is so far up the arse of Israel that now he is a ventriloquist’s dummy for Bibi

  8. Denis
    Denis
    May 8, 2012, 7:20 pm

    “They will not both be around two years from now, and my bet is that Ahmadinejad is gone.”

    Sounds like a blatant threat to the life of Ahmadinejad to me, which would be a violation of the Geneva Convention, I’m sure. If there has ever been a country who has a valid reason to build a nuke to protect itself from mad nuclear dogs looking for a fight, it’s Iran.

    Good history lesson on Truman. ” [He] recognized the nascent State of Israel on May 14, 1948, just eleven minutes after it declared itself a nation.”

    Wasn’t there a twist to this story where because of a time zone mix up Truman sent the congratulations before Israel actually made the declaration?

    • Citizen
      Citizen
      May 15, 2012, 2:06 pm

      Truman got pissed when the big Zionist rabbi he let in the door (thanks to his old Jewish small business partner) pounded his ham fist on the Oval Office desk. He had already burned, unopened, a big pile of Zionist-orchestrated letters. But the bottom line for Truman was he wanted to stay in office and the rabbi was ready to dump all key NY Jewish state voter support and media and Zionist dollars into Dewey’s campaign coffers–if Truman did not sign that recognition letter. And so the die was cast for our current state of campaign finance respecting Israel. His last gasp of independence was to scratch out the adjective “Jewish” to the state of Israel he was recognizing. No US politician ever brings any of this stuff up, of course.

  9. casaananda
    casaananda
    May 8, 2012, 7:56 pm

    More pandering, more crap.

  10. Les
    Les
    May 8, 2012, 8:18 pm

    Only if Netanyahu changes his position will the Obama administration change theirs.

  11. Shingo
    Shingo
    May 8, 2012, 9:33 pm

    Biden has got to be the most clueless Amercian politician since Dan Quail.

    • Citizen
      Citizen
      May 15, 2012, 2:08 pm

      Shingo, it’s worse, Beiden is not clueless as Dan Quail was regarding foreign policy.

  12. thetumta
    thetumta
    May 8, 2012, 9:35 pm

    Der Fuhrer pose? Netanyahu has several. Ethnic Supremacists are still here. They’re not all in the woods in Oregon.
    Hej! Tumta

  13. thetumta
    thetumta
    May 8, 2012, 9:44 pm

    Biden would have obtained the Kool-Aide franchise of Jim Jones and sold him Nukes if he just knew how profitable it could have been. He’s behind the curve trying to catch up. No need to shoot congressman when you can buy them so cheap? Hopefully, one of his children will ask him someday when he decided to sell out his country and our constitution?
    Hej!

  14. Proton Soup
    Proton Soup
    May 8, 2012, 11:58 pm

    i’ve been somewhat fascinated with Biden since the egyptian protests, when he made the statement that he didn’t think Mubarak was a dictator. i realized at that point Biden was a way for the administration to play both sides. Biden could soothe the nerves of a long-time US asset, saying things in public the president himself can’t say. like with the recent gay marriage statements. it can be written off as just Biden shooting his mouth off again. in the meantime, you get an opportunity to press public opinion on the television, make polls, recalibrate, and always have the option to reel it back in to the president’s official position while simultaneously giving a wink and nod to that constituency.

    so what is Biden really saying here? who knows!? is it a wink and nod? that’s one possibility. they certainly want the zionist campaign support. OTOH, there was one thing i didn’t get from this article – a promise to join Israel in the attack. because of that lack of commitment, i’m kind of meh about it. the Israelis are too chicken**** to do it on their own. and i suspect a man who’s forgotten so much about FP recognizes at least that much, if only instinctively.

  15. talknic
    talknic
    May 9, 2012, 2:15 am

    It stares people in the face. If a country wants nukies, it does not sign the NPT. If it has signed, there is a legal procedure in the NPT for leaving the NPT. Pakistan is an IAEA Member State, so too India, Israel, the USA, Russia. They all receive the benefits of IAEA Membership. They all have nukies.

    However, it seems the US hasn’t deviated from the PNAC doctrine for a New American Century… and is now busy justifying Israel starting its dirty work. Meanwhile the US is busy getting out of Iraq and Aghanistan in preparation.

    If Israel attacks Iran and Iran rightfully engages, the US will be inevitably sucked in. Biden’s courageous encouragement will only bear more strange fruit and he will be safely tucked away in the US, completely oblivious to the blood on his hands.

    It’s insanity 101 to attack a country based only on accusations, which in themselves are not evidence except in the warped mind of a nutcase Zionist with either a short memory or a Ziocaine induced mental block on Iraq.

    Everything will be twisted out of shape. The IAEA statements on Iran, like the Iranian threat to allegedly “wipe Israel off the map”, will be Ziofied until it’s un-recognizable. In fact the UNSC said virtually the same thing as Iran
    1) “Israel must end the prolonged occupation of Arab territories occupied by Israel since 1967, including Jerusalem” 2) “The occupation regime over Jerusalem must be erased from the pages of time” (In full at http://wp.me/pDB7k-W8 )

    • Rusty Pipes
      Rusty Pipes
      May 9, 2012, 1:24 pm

      Perhaps those preparations have a different PNAC target in line next. You say:

      it seems the US hasn’t deviated from the PNAC doctrine for a New American Century… and is now busy justifying Israel starting its dirty work. Meanwhile the US is busy getting out of Iraq and Aghanistan in preparation.

      Since Biden is talking about how Iranian leaders won’t be around in a couple of years, he could be setting up a comparison between Iranian leaders, who face term limits, and Bashar Assad of Syria. After all, Iran could do more actual damage to the US military and our interests than Syria could. The US administration has been ramping up rhetoric about Syria in the direction of establishing “no fly zones” like Libya or at least being able to provide “non-lethal aid,” (like night goggles, communications equipment, etc.) rather than just humanitarian aid, to Syria’s opposition groups.

      The US administration has moved to a clear posture of “Bashar Assad must go.” They just may be waiting for the UN efforts at negotiations to stumble in order to have an excuse to escalate.

      • talknic
        talknic
        May 10, 2012, 4:29 am

        Rusty Pipes

        The US DOE looks at a map of the entire world 24 x 7 x 365 x 25 years ahead while facing off the enormous energy needs of Europe, Russia, China, India. One needs to look at a map and research contracts on oil industry sites. They’re much more revealing and realistic than so called news services.

        Syria has no oil and except for its front onto the Mediterranean Sea, is surrounded by countries who do not want any war. Syria itself doesn’t want a war. It hasn’t even attempted to restore its rightful sovereignty over the Golan. It can be contained and it has no effective strategic position in the transportation of oil and gas from the region.

        The west will foment and allow it to implode in civil war. There are no US ‘interests’ in Syria as there were in Lybia and Iraq. The countries surrounding Syria are quite capable of handling any situation which might effect them. Syria has no territorial ambitions, except perhaps to restore the Golan.

        Iran on the other hand, has territorial frontage on the Caspian Sea. One should also consider which other countries have an interest in the Caspian region. Contracts in the Caspian are many and humungous http://www.casfactor.com/en/main/113.html.

        Iran has huge gas fields on its East, with India as its customer. http://www.gulfoilandgas.com/webpro1/projects/3dreport.asp?id=100730 (scroll down to the bottom of the page)

        Iran also has a front running the entire length of the Persian Gulf, including the Strait of Hormuz. A vital chokepoint http://205.254.135.7/countries/regions-topics.cfm?fips=WOTC

        Syria is nothing to the US picture. Iran is huge.

      • Rusty Pipes
        Rusty Pipes
        May 11, 2012, 11:48 am

        Syria may be nothing to US strategic interests, but it is huge in the interests of the Israel Lobby and consequently to US politicians during an election season. Assadwashing is allowing GOI to keep embarrassing stories out of the US MSM, such as the ethnic cleansing of East Jerusalem and the Palestinian hunger strikers. To get contributions from “The Democrats’ ATM,” US politicians have singled out Syria, not only for criticism, but for the imposition of sanctions and facilitating pressure from Syria’s surrounding states, like Turkey.

  16. talknic
    talknic
    May 9, 2012, 2:23 am

    “They will not both be around two years from now, and my bet is that Ahmadinejad is gone.”

    Uh huh. What a stupid statement.

    Iran regularly holds elections, they elect someone who does not in fact hold the reigns when it comes to war or much in the way of policy for that matter. Bush has also gone. He DID hold the reigns. BTW whatever happened to the poor sod? Back on the turps?

  17. seafoid
    seafoid
    May 9, 2012, 3:42 am

    “At every point in our Administration, at every juncture, we have stood up for the legitimacy of the state of Israel.”

    Israel is the bastard child of european antisemitism and the Jewish American lobby.

    I think most Israeli Jews know that there is nothing any bought American politician can say that will prevent the country from being shafted when the time comes.

  18. HarryLaw
    HarryLaw
    May 9, 2012, 3:46 am

    What really annoys me is the casual way he says in effect I don’t care if 70% of the oil keeping the economies of the world afloat stops flowing and the west is involved in WW3, Biden knows the US would be drawn in as would the coalition of the willing. Who can remember just after cast lead all the leaders of the West slapping Olmert on the back when they visited Israel even our Prime Minister Gordon Brown sent the Royal Navy to patrol the seas off the coast of Gaza, truly bizarre.

  19. clubroma
    clubroma
    May 9, 2012, 4:05 am

    Isreal is over-due for a war! What’s it been, 3 years, they need to satisfy their blood lust and keep the generals happy. Even if they don’t attack Iran they’ll be looking for a reason to attack Gaza or Lebanon.
    Can anyone explain why Isreal can have nuclear weapons but Iran can’t?

    • talknic
      talknic
      May 9, 2012, 7:21 am

      “Can anyone explain why Isreal can have nuclear weapons but Iran can’t?”

      Israel is an IAEA member state and receives the benefits of membership but hasn’t signed the NPT. Like India, Pakistan.

      Iran is an IAEA Member State and receives the benefits of Membership, says it doesn’t want nukes and has signed the NPT.

      Neither should have ’em or anyone else. They’re useless unless used, so the act of having them is in fact a threat to use them, otherwise there is no point in having them. They are BTW the ultimate WMD and illegal. Except perhaps in self defense.

      Israel hasn’t a hope in hades of effectively attacking Iran’s nuclear facilities with conventional weapons even with US support. If it attacks with nukes, the world will be dragged into another senseless war started by mad men.

  20. ahhiyawa
    ahhiyawa
    May 9, 2012, 9:00 am

    Another yawner. Biden is throwing scraps and bones to placate the maniacal Zionists among the rabbis. Though one things for sure, Biden is not a master of political speech as Obama has profusely demonstrated.

    Biden’s ‘shooting from the hip’ style of rhetoric caused his boss to publicly correct any misunderstanding of US policy, that the US is:

    “”…absolutely not” giving Israel a green light to attack Iran…”We have said directly to the Israelis that it is important to try and resolve this in an international setting in a way that does not create major conflict in the Middle East…””

  21. Sumud
    Sumud
    May 9, 2012, 9:16 am

    The Jewish Telegraph Agency reports that, during his speech today, the “vice president also called efforts to delegitimize Israel ‘the most significant assault’ on Israel since its independence.” In an effort to burnish the Obama administration’s Zionist credentials, Biden insisted, “At every point in our Administration, at every juncture, we have stood up for the legitimacy of the state of Israel.”

    Let’s just stop here for a moment and say “yay BDS”; a six year old campaign that now even the VP of the US is speaking about, even if it is in code – “efforts to delegitimise Israel”.

    Thank you Joe, thank you ziobots!

    • ToivoS
      ToivoS
      May 9, 2012, 4:35 pm

      “yay BDS”; a six year old campaign that now even the VP of the US is speaking about,

      Good catch I missed the significance of that reference. Yea for BDS, indeed, this shows how deeply they occupy the Zionist mind while at the same time hasbara trolls expand terabytes of bandwidth insisting that BDS is irrelevant.

  22. MarkF
    MarkF
    May 9, 2012, 10:41 am

    “I would not contract out my security to anybody, even a loyal, loyal, loyal friend like the United States.”

    That must make our friends that we’re contracted out to “protect” in South Korea and Europe feel pretty safe….

  23. American
    American
    May 9, 2012, 11:04 am

    ” “Look, we cannot dictate to another sovereign nation what they can and cannot do when they make a determination — if they make a determination — that they’re existentially threatened and their survival is threatened by another country”

    Oh shut your mouth fool, we dictate to other countries all the time. We are dictating to Iran right now. We dictate to other countries every time we twist their arms on Israel and other issues.

  24. American
    American
    May 9, 2012, 11:12 am

    ““I would not contract out my security to anybody, even a loyal, loyal, loyal friend like the United States.”

    Well that is hysterical..lol
    Israel has outsourced, made it’s security dependent on the US since the day it was created.
    Who thinks without US financing, from buying off Egypt and Jordon to interceeding in 1001 economic and diplomatic areas necessary for Israel, and the US protecting Israel from all accountability to international laws..that It would still exist. I don’t.

  25. seafoid
    seafoid
    May 9, 2012, 4:34 pm

    Obama just declared his support for gay marriage.
    http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/0c8a0726-9a0a-11e1-accb-00144feabdc0.html#axzz1uPFiFxFF

    The views of the electorate changed over the last 10 years- in 2004 it was 31% for and now it’s 52% for.
    If Americans can be cool with gay marriage they can drop the support for Zionism. It’s the same issue- respect . And the politicians will follow.

  26. MHughes976
    MHughes976
    May 9, 2012, 6:34 pm

    A report in the Independent today interprets the New Coalition in Israel as sign of preparation for war, suggesting that minimising parliamentary opposition and possibly painful questions would be helpful in the event that an attack is made but fails. It could also be a precaution against painful questions should no attack, after all these years of threats, materialise and the threats start to look empty.

  27. rws450
    rws450
    May 12, 2012, 2:19 pm

    Tony Kushner speaking about Joe Biden on Democracy Now a couple days ago, after Biden made his “courageous” opinion on gay marriage ….. “He’s a wonderful guy and a great politician.”

    Wow. I used to think Kushner was progressive but will have to re-think that.

    I will never forget that Biden was chair of the Senate hearings which went through the sham process of investigating reports of Iraqi WMD in the run-up to the war. Biden managed the affair so there were virtually no critics of the looming invasion. Knowledgable Americans like Scott Ritter were not invited to the hearings. Instead it was a parade of charlatans and blow hards. I personally sent Biden numerous faxes with facts, hard hitting cartoons from the MSM and other messages demanding a real hearing.

    Now Biden gives the green light for an Israeli attack which would assuredly drag in the US, resulting in untold destruction and death. Initiating war is the highest war crime according to the Geneva Conventions on War. Biden is inviting it and once again complicit. To say he is a “wondeful guy and great politician” is absolutely wrong and shows a shallowness or ignorance that is shocking.

  28. Woody Tanaka
    Woody Tanaka
    May 15, 2012, 10:51 am

    What’s with the Israeli flags? I didn’t think that the Rabbinical Assembly was an Israeli group…

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