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The latest on the terrorist attack evidently aimed at Israeli tourists in Bulgaria is that seven were killed. JTA:

At least seven passengers reportedly were killed in an explosion on a bus carrying Israeli tourists in Bulgaria in what is being described as a terrorist attack. Israeli and Bulgarian outlets reported that as many as seven people were killed in the explosion Wednesday afternoon at Sarafovo Airport in Burgas, a city on the Black Sea Coast popular with Israeli tourists. At least 27 passengers have been rushed to the hospital, reported the Bulgarian news agency Novinite.com.

This is an international news story that is best followed at other sites, though we will update it here.

And let us be clear: this is a tragic development, everyone on our site joins me in condemning such attacks. The victims are in our thoughts.

Update: Netanyahu is blaming Iran for the attack. Talk about grisly opportunism. Previous attacks should remind us that it is important to wait for facts about the matter before issuing blame.

Update: In condemning the attack and noting that it falls on the 18th anniversary of a horrifying attack on a Buenos Aires Jewish center, a Canadian Jewish organization then pushes its statement in a disturbing Islamophobic direction:

Early reports are now linking Iran and Hezbollah to today’s attack as well. Frank Dimant, CEO of B’nai Brith Canada, issued the following statement: “Today’s terror attack on Israeli tourists in Bulgaria acts as yet one more reminder of the deadly intentions of international terror groups, such as Hezbollah and their state sponsors, which target the Jewish State and Jewish communities worldwide as part of their deadly agenda…. In Canada, we must remain vigilant as Islamist terrorism knows no boundaries.”

Again, can’t people just keep their mouths shut for a little while?

More responsible ways of talking about Iran come from Amos Harel in Haaretz two days ago, echoed by Trita Parsi at Open Zion today. First Amos Harel:

Israeli leaders have significantly lowered the volume of their own threats against Iran recently. But at a time when Israel’s dilemma on Iran has been boiled down to a four-word slogan, “bomb or be bombed,” a third scenario must also be considered: A poorly-thought-out Iranian move, in the Persian Gulf or elsewhere, could ignite a conflict even before anyone decides to attack its nuclear facilities.

And Trita Parsi says today that Iran has previously tried to retaliate for the killings of Iranian scientists, and that the escalation reminds him of the detonation of World War I:

Iran is believed to have tried to retaliate against these attacks, but most of its efforts have been thwarted by Israeli intelligence. Amateurish attacks did occur in Thailand, and Indian police have accused Iran of behind behind a failed assassination attempt of the Israeli ambassador’s wife in New Delhi. Iranian agents have also been arrested in Kenya…

Iran is believed to have tried to retaliate against these attacks, but most of its efforts have been thwarted by Israeli intelligence. Amateurish attacks did occur in Thailand, and Indian police have accused Iran of behind behind a failed assassination attempt of the Israeli ambassador’s wife in New Delhi. Iranian agents have also been arrested in Kenya.

Note to readers: we also condemned the murders of the Iranian scientists.

Philip Weiss

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  1. Betsy on July 18, 2012, 1:40 pm

    What a tragedy. Grieved to hear of this terrible violence. The victims & their families are in my prayers.

    • Krauss on July 18, 2012, 6:15 pm

      Yes, killing innocents is never justied. Ever.

      Although I have to take issue with the stance against B’nai Brith Canada’s balanced and strong statement. There’s a vast difference between Islamism and Islam.

      Attacks on Jews in islamist violence is not uncommon(Toulouse, anyone?) and is getting increasingly frequent. This shouldn’t lead people into somekind of anti-Islamic hysteria/crusade, but we shouldn’t ignore the fact that there are extremists out there who use Islam as a shield for their bigotry(a.k.a Islamists).
      Far from all Islamists are terrorists, most are non-violent but some are, indeed, violent as we’ve seen here. And that should be condemned unequivocally.

      Edit: as for the whole “war with Iran now” meme, Ynet has a smart piece up casting doubt on that:

      http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4257626,00.html

      I think a more probable scenario is Israel seeing it’s political options expand. Gaza has long been an area where much of the top brass wants to make another excursion but are afraid of the blowback. With this now in hindsight, will they go for it?
      And when?

      • seafoid on July 19, 2012, 6:09 am

        What can they do to make Gaza disappear, Krauss? Nothing.
        Carpet bomb it – sure.
        However they are bound by the limit of how many people it is acceptable to kill. For Gaza that is around 2000 per war. And what will they do on the following Monday ?

        Would they carpet bomb Gaza for some reason related to economic stimulus? Otherwise I just don’t see the point.

      • aiman on July 19, 2012, 10:04 am

        First, let me join others in expressing my sadness at this tragedy, the cruel, heartless murder of innocent people.

        “Although I have to take issue with the stance against B’nai Brith Canada’s balanced and strong statement. There’s a vast difference between Islamism and Islam.”

        But there is one important consideration to be made: the statement by the Buenos Aires Jewish center is no more correct than an Islamist stating that Zionist violence knows no boundaries. Lest we forget when Zionists and Islamists talk about Islamism and Zionism, the words have no meaning and are essentially about the clash of civilisations propaganda that fuels their respective tribal, ultra-nationalist ideologies. Islamism, Zionism and Hindu Nationalism are brothers. When one group espousing tribal-minded nationalism, even passively (e.g. by silence or some form of socio-economic support for a group or state), condemns a second group of tribal-minded nationalists for their heinous violence, it smacks of self-righteousness and opportunism at once.

      • Theo on July 19, 2012, 1:15 pm

        It is very sad when innocent civilians must pay the price for political mistakes, but what bothers me is the uneven response of the media.
        If anyplace a bomb goes up and kills jews, it will hit the world media within hours, should in Palestina IDF soldiers or settlers shoot a few people, many times it will not be mentioned or shows up on page 23.
        There is also this constant warning about the orthodox moslems, like the salafists and the Moslem Brothers, however not about the orthodox jews who stone moslems, will not rent to jews or call for the destruction of goyims. They are equally idiotic and should be treated such.

      • Theo on July 19, 2012, 1:49 pm

        correction above: will not rent to arabs.

  2. lysias on July 18, 2012, 1:56 pm

    Netanyahu appears to be threatening a military response:

    Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu told reporters that “Iran is responsible for the terror attack in Bulgaria, we will have a strong response against Iranian terror.”

    Well, he’s been looking for an excuse to attack Iran. I’m reminded of the Abu Nidal attack on the Israeli ambassador in London that Begin chose to blame the PLO for and that served as the casus belli for the 1982 invasion of Lebanon.

    • seafoid on July 18, 2012, 2:06 pm

      Perhaps an Israeli job if they want to go to war against Iran.

      Or else to distract from the summer protests in TA. Didn’t the same thing happen last year- they attacked Gaza when the heat got too much on Rothschild Boulevard.

      It is a tried and tested way to gather the Israeli wagons.

      Otherwise maybe Hezbollah for Imad Mughniyeh . the Middle East is so murky .

      RIP to the dead.

      • Exiled At Home on July 18, 2012, 3:33 pm

        According to Haaretz: “9:36 P.M.: Hezbollah denies all connection to the attack. A representative from the group told Lebanese media outlets that ‘we will not seek revenge over the death of Imad Mughniyah by harming tourists.'”

      • Dutch on July 18, 2012, 3:53 pm

        “Perhaps an Israeli job if they want to go to war against Iran.”

        Or endorse the Levy report, or pressure Obama/Clinton via the hysterical Lobby. Killing and terrifying innocent civilians is daily practise for the Israeli’s, backed by their population in every election.

      • seafoid on July 18, 2012, 4:20 pm

        “Killing and terrifying innocent civilians is daily practise for the Israeli’s, backed by their population in every election.”

        I hate the hypocrisy. When Israelis are killed the world is expected to stand with the Ziobots. Never mind the white phosphorous, feel the clash of civilisations. And thus Gazans, West Bankers and Shia Lebanese are disposable. They never have lives worth living for, or even names.

      • annie on July 18, 2012, 5:16 pm

        backed by their population in every election.

        not sure i would take it that far. not everyone who supports israel’s agenda does so because they kill and terrify innocent civilians as daily practice. some people are brain washed into thinking it is for their security.

      • AllenBee on July 18, 2012, 8:40 pm

        Damascus is experiencing massive street violence.

        Hillary Clinton has been working to take out Assad for over a year. The U.S. is supporting rebel forces in Syria, in conjunction with NATO and Turkey.

        A week or so ago, Daniel Pollock of WINEP was on C Span Wash Journal and endorsed the recommendation of a caller that Assad be assassinated. Pollack went further and said that one of Assad’s senior advisors had been poisoned, was hospitalized, but survived. Pollock said assassination is a good idea but “it is hard to do.” http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/Polloc

        Earlier this week, Joshua Landis, described as an expert on Syria, spoke at the Wilson Center. He echoed Pollock’s sentiments: “Assad is a loser; he will fall sooner or later, the sooner the better,” then democracy can begin to take shape in Syria like it is in Libya after Qaddafi was gotten out of the way. Landis recommended, at least twice, that Assad be assassinated: “a cruise missile carefully aimed at the palace . . .” http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/EastSec

        How did we get to this place where we believe we have the right to take down sovereign governments, and that the assassinations of the leaders of sovereign nations is a topic for casual conversation, then recommendation, then action?

        And what is the road back from such a place?
        What happens when turnabout becomes fair play?

      • ColinWright on July 19, 2012, 1:16 am

        I think you’re making a false distinction. If one is living in a state that embodies injustice, then killing and terrifying innocent civilians is going to be necessary to maintain security.

        Ultimately, everything Israel does is indeed necessary if there is to be an Israel. The state can only exist through the continuous application of repression.

      • gracie fr on July 18, 2012, 5:23 pm

        I find the timing of the bombing more than coincidental. Could this attack on young Israeli tourists in a fairly obscure place in Bulgaria be the ” 1914 Sarajevo moment” the warmongers have been waiting for? And if Israel does carry out a retaliatory move, what will the Iranians do? My heart goes out to the families of the victims, ordinary people on holiday…..

    • Theo on July 19, 2012, 1:21 pm

      Niniyahoo is just blowing hot air! According to a latest US military assesment, Iran could very well teach Israel a few lessons in case they attack without american support, because their A-bombs are just useless, could never dare to drop a single one of them on Iran. They would become pariahs of this world with far reaching consequences.
      Israel is slowly disintegrating, people march on the streets, soldiers beat up their officers, so this could be their last hurrah.

      • Theo on July 19, 2012, 1:51 pm

        However, I would not put that bottle of champagne on ice yet!!

  3. Exiled At Home on July 18, 2012, 1:59 pm

    It’s a shame that while you condemn, Phil, fools like Benjamin Kerstein exploit this incident by making political, ideological allegations against Mondoweiss: (https://twitter.com/benj_kerstein/status/225618399512903681) (https://twitter.com/benj_kerstein/status/225633564178391040)

    …and sadists like Benjamin Netanyahu exploit the situation to drum up prospects for war. Israel is already fingering Iran as the culprit. My, their intelligence agencies are good. In a couple hours they can conduct a full investigation of the attack… in Bulgaria!

    • ritzl on July 18, 2012, 5:36 pm

      So remarkably good and accurate, in fact, that you would think they would say something before the fact, eh? (Sarcasm)

  4. BillM on July 18, 2012, 2:07 pm

    Absolutely should be condemned. Any attempt to use this as cover for future attacks should be condemned as well.

    • SimoHurtta on July 18, 2012, 3:54 pm

      Well who should be condemned besides in general such incidents, when it is obvious that there is not yet any real “crime scene data” available even for the Israelis. Of course we all are sorry of the loss of the life of the innocent in this and other cases.

      The Israeli blaming Iran is so far based simply on the “evidence” that on the same date happened an attack 18 years ago in Argentina. The situation is now that Israeli leaders blame Iran and the world’s other leaders condemn the attack. So Israel gets its desired propaganda effect.

      There are tens of organizations and several countries which would have the motive and means to organize such an attack. Turks could revenge the flotilla and weaken Israel by forcing it to another unnecessary war or European Nazis could be behind. Saudi (Sunni) could be behind this knowing perfectly well that Israelis would blame Iran in all cases. Palestinians could be guilty. Who benefits most of this attack? Surely not Iran or Hizbollah.

      • Roya on July 18, 2012, 4:31 pm

        The Israeli blaming Iran is so far based simply on the “evidence” that on the same date happened an attack 18 years ago in Argentina.

        Nope. Just like this time, Iran was accused of the attack, but there is no evidence corroborating the allegation so let’s not add to the hysteria with misleading information.

      • lysias on July 18, 2012, 4:33 pm

        I thought Iranian responsibility for that attack in Argentina was highly dubious.

        I wonder how many days of the year are there that are the anniversary of something that can be associated with Iran.

      • SimoHurtta on July 18, 2012, 5:32 pm

        The Iranian / Hizbollah link of that AMIA bombing was basically not supported with real evidence. The accusations against Iran became stronger only when the chance to find real factual evidence had become almost non existent. The astonishing “events” cane read from
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_AMIA_bombing

      • gracie fr on July 19, 2012, 4:50 am

        Gareth Porter wrote a piece for the nation and found Hezbollah’s link to the Buenos Aires bombing more than “inconclusive”…..
        http://www.thenation.com/article/bushs-iranargentina-terror-frame?page=0,0#

      • Taxi on July 19, 2012, 5:48 am

        …more than “inconclusive”…..

        Yet not quite the smoking gun uhuh.

      • ColinWright on July 18, 2012, 10:33 pm

        “Well who should be condemned besides in general such incidents, when it is obvious that there is not yet any real “crime scene data” available even for the Israelis…”

        That would all depend on who wrote the script.

  5. eljay on July 18, 2012, 2:16 pm

    I condemn the attack, regardless of who carried it out, and I also condemn the resulting opportunism.

    • Mndwss on July 18, 2012, 4:19 pm

      I wonder how many of the Israeli victims were Palestinian-Israelis or “Arab-Israelis”?

      20% ?

    • ritzl on July 18, 2012, 5:39 pm

      Well said, eljay.

  6. Chu on July 18, 2012, 2:29 pm

    What does Iran gain by bombing a Bulgarian bus of civilians and tourists? If the Israel gov’t knows exactly who carried out this attack so soon, they should have prevented it. Being this is the anniversary of former attack, where Israel blamed Iran, doesn’t prove anything at this point.

  7. seafoid on July 18, 2012, 2:38 pm

    Zionism is dripping with violence. It always has been. Why couldn’t Israel be like Estonia ?

  8. Exiled At Home on July 18, 2012, 2:45 pm

    Here’s the Bulgarian Gov’t statements:

    http://www.bnonews.com/inbox/?id=932

  9. fillmorehagan on July 18, 2012, 2:56 pm

    Western governments will denounce this bombing (as they should), even as they tacitly support terrorist bombings in Syria.

    Incredible HYPOCRISY.

    • flyod on July 18, 2012, 3:39 pm

      so true on syria. imagine the reaction if panetta was just taken out.
      no way iran
      rip to the israeli dead

  10. American on July 18, 2012, 3:11 pm

    Disgusting attack on innocent civilians, no possible justification for it, none.

    I don’t see Iran or Lebanon’s Hezbollah as being behind it however, I don’t think this kind of “incident creating” is in their stragety playbook right now…there’s no benefit to their current position in doing this.
    I can see however some remnant of ALQ, or some other terrorist group, or the MEK doing this to ratchet things up around Iran.

    • Desrtrat6 on July 18, 2012, 3:30 pm

      American,

      I agree. What is the benefit to Iran or Hezbollah with everything going on right now (i.e. Israel / Iran nukes, sanctions, US Navy in Straits of Hormuz, etc)? Iran and Hezbollah may be anti-Israel, but that doesn’t make them crazy.

      Probably the work of some opportunistic group either trying to make their mark or revive themselves.

      • ritzl on July 18, 2012, 4:47 pm

        Yup, and yup. Since nobody knows anything for certain at the moment, I’ll make an assumption and hope that Iran and/or Hezb find the rats that did this and turn them over to an international court.

      • American on July 18, 2012, 11:54 pm

        I think Iran and Hezbollah are both far more pragamatic than Israel.
        Israel is like a woman in constant hysterics in everything it does.

      • Betsy on July 19, 2012, 9:45 am

        “a woman”??? “in constant hysterics”???

        c’mon @American — how far back into stupid 19th century stereotyping do we have to go on this site?

      • Taxi on July 19, 2012, 10:11 am

        So like would a ‘macho man’ be a more acceptable description to your modern highness muz Betsy?

        Personally, a racist psycho murderer on a rampage is what I would call the occupier of Palestine. Is this con-temp-o-rary enough for ya?!

      • American on July 19, 2012, 10:20 am

        @Betsy

        I don’t know….how far into nit picking do we have to go?
        It’s just a expression for christ sake.
        Change it to man/ teenager/ cats on hot tin roof in constant hysterics for all I care.

      • AllenBee on July 19, 2012, 10:48 am

        Betsy, I think you’re new here (well, newer than me anyway) and maybe don’t know the rough-and-tumble environment. This ain’t a Presbyterian church meeting. From very very limited observation, Presbyterians go out of their way to be nice. Polite. Don’t rock the boat. Bullies tend to rely on people being nice, and restrained. But sometimes, the only way to deal with bullies is to deck ’em.

        From my pov, feminism/women’s issues (especially when the claim is made, “We are standing up for women’s rights in the Arab/Muslim world”); even LGBT matters are misdirected expenditures of energy. Those issues serve as wedges to splinter the pro-Palestinian, pro-justice community and get them fighting against each other instead of decking that bully.

      • philweiss on July 19, 2012, 10:52 am

        I think women’s issues must be central to this site. Human rights means women’s rights. I find the women in hysterics metaphor sexist and I have always had concern about women’s roles in the Arab societies I’ve visited. That said, as an American Jew my chief concerns are with the injustices my country and my tribe are perpetrating, which is why I agree with you re not spending a lot of energy lecturing others about their screwups

      • tree on July 19, 2012, 11:35 am

        Thanks Phil. I don’t think we need to get on a long digression about it, but I don’t think that there was anything wrong with Betsy bringing up her objection to the phrase. On the other hand, as a woman, I don’t believe it was anything more than a minor slip into stereotyping by American; something we all, as humans, are susceptible to at times. To use a basketball metaphor, “no harm, no foul” all the way around.

      • marc b. on July 19, 2012, 11:38 am

        “a woman”??? “in constant hysterics”???

        i’m with you, betsy, but don’t disappear on account of some rough commentary. we all can get overheated here, man, woman, and child, and the word choice can get insensitve. so feel free to tell american to wise up or eff off. he’ll get over it.

      • American on July 19, 2012, 11:52 am

        “I find the women in hysterics metaphor sexist and I have always had concern about women’s roles in the Arab societies I’ve visited. That said, as an American Jew my chief concerns are with the injustices my country and my tribe are perpetrating, ”

        You do do you?
        Might interest you to know that I consider men and women both to be androgynous in their psychological makeup. Sort of like your American -Jew makeup…traits of both combined.
        But of course it’s not ‘ peopxist’ to for you to claim Jews value learning more others.
        So let us not get holier than thou in our superior pc preening.

      • AllenBee on July 19, 2012, 12:17 pm

        Phil, my lecturing of Betsy was out of line; it’s your blog & your agenda. My apologies.

        re Women’s issues, esp. in Arab societies — Shortly after the deaths of Izzeldin Abu Laish’s daughters, he created an organization to support women’s rights in Palestine. I thought it was a misguided idea; here’s why: Men in Palestine are already humiliated and emasculated in every way possible. To create one more sphere where Arab men seem to be loosing control and stability seemed to me to be pushing Arab men to an ever increasing need to display masculinity, perhaps by violence. I certainly agree that “human rights means women’s rights,” including in Arab societies; I just think Palestinian society is too fragile right now to be able to absorb one more, large area of destabilization.

        In a discussion just after the Iran-Baghdad meeting, Bijan Khajehpour, an Iranian analyst who had been jailed, briefly, in 2009 and now works out of Vienna, told the panel that human rights would become less of an issue in Iran when pressure from the West eases off. Aaron David Miller, who had acknowledged that he knows very little about Iran, insisted that Khajehpour was wrong and that he “infantilized” Iranian society, but Bijan held his ground, and fellow panelist George Perkovich of Carnegie Institute for Peace endorsed Khajehpour’s assessment.

        Contrary to Miller’s opinion, when the west imposes its perquisites on Arab and Iranian gender relations, that is infantilizing: Arabs and Iranians are perfectly capable of, and are entitled to the right to, struggle to create their own sense of gender equality.

      • Chu on July 19, 2012, 2:00 pm

        It’s not like he said ALL women are constantly hysterical in nature.
        Come on…

        I think we’ve all known a few hysterical women in our lives.
        I’ve dated enough of them.

      • Taxi on July 19, 2012, 2:01 pm

        I am female and I have NO OBJECTIONS to the phrase used by American. It’s an acceptable analogy in context with israel’s relationship to my tax dollars.

        However, I do object to Apartheid israel being genderized into femalehood! Cuz I ain’t never met a woman that’s gotten away with mass murder, ethnic cleansing, land theft, water theft and mass infanticide (read Gaza). And no we mustn’t refer to Apartheid israel as a ‘he’ either. Cuz not even hitler got away with his diabolical crimes against humanity.

        Let’s just all agree then, for the sake of communal civility and the English language, to refer to Apartheid israel as ‘it’.

        It. It. It.

      • Roya on July 19, 2012, 3:12 pm

        I have always had concern about women’s roles in the Arab societies I’ve visited…

        With all due respect Phil let’s save the crocodile tears and respect Arabs enough to ‘let them’ deal with intra-societal matters on their own.

      • ColinWright on July 19, 2012, 3:19 pm

        “I think we’ve all known a few hysterical women in our lives.
        I’ve dated enough of them.”

        Are they hysterical upon contact, or only after prolonged exposure?

        Just kidding — don’t start throwing things. You should see the effect I have on women.

      • Mooser on July 19, 2012, 8:54 pm

        “Human rights means women’s rights.”

        Are you sure? You really want to include the female species in this? Well, go ahead if you want, but as far as I’m concerned, that’s no way to treat a lady! Besides, women always bully me, but I guess that consideration carries no weight.

      • Mooser on July 19, 2012, 8:59 pm

        Colin, don’t try to avoid the deeper insinuations of the phrase! Was it a hysterical Jewish woman, or a hysterical (strictly as ethno-religious shorthand) WASP woman meant in that sentence? An incensed Vera-Ellen comes to mind. Further deconstruction should reveal the truth.

      • Betsy on July 19, 2012, 9:46 pm

        Tree & Taxi said it better than I did…@American — I didn’t mean to suggest that you are sexist, or that women aren’t bonkers sometimes just like men. I wanted to cue that the phrase carries baggage…no big deal at any one moment perhaps – & I’m sorry if I came across as lecturing – I wanted to point it out, not to sound like it was a horrible, inexcusable thing.

        I very much regret bringing this topic up on this post – I meant it as an off comment — but it snowballed into a different direction from the tragedy in Bulgaria.

        That said, I do think language is worth paying attention to. Ethnic / racial / gender stereotypes tend to fit together like pringles – they prop each other up on their leaning side (to totally mix metaphors). (I first got involved with Mondoweiss when I wrote a piece on Daisy Kahn & ‘ground zero’ – the last several paragraphs try to express how much I feel that Islamophobia is propped up with gender stereotypes http://mondoweiss.net/2010/09/islamaphobia-sexism-and-american-demagoguery-in-the-21st-century.html) As Phil says, oppressions are connected –

        Also, given what AllenBee calls the ‘rough and tumble” here, I thot my honest reaction would fit in (to my ears it actually sounded milder than much else among Mondo commentators). 19th century medicine took ‘hysteria’ from the Greek word for uterus – because they thot there was a direct connection – so I thot that the oppositions being set up were worth noting. Different voices, different perspectives can hear different things – but don’t we need many voices – if a broad coalition is to be built? Anyway, I think I’ll lay off of commenting for awhile…there seems to be some background norms here I’m not getting…

      • American on July 19, 2012, 10:22 pm

        @ Betsy,

        There no need to lay off commenting, everyone here gets their share of misunderstandings and insults due to temper tantrums, misinterpretations of their comments and so forth …and gets over it.
        MW is as billed….’a war of ideas”. LOL

      • Taxi on July 20, 2012, 2:28 am

        Betsy don’t go oh please pretty please don’t go don’t go with honey and pistachios and black cherries on top!

        Seriously, don’t go!

        You shoulda been around when Phil allowed us rock-throwing and mud-slinging in the old days.

        Oh how I miss rolling up my sleeves and getting down and dirty!

    • seafoid on July 18, 2012, 4:46 pm

      The thing about the Hezb is that the fall of Assad is potentially a game changer. The Israelis have been talking about taking the Hezb out since the Shia/quasi Shia arc from the Litani to Iran is broken if the Alawis lose power in Syria and on the 18th anniversary of the Buenos Aires attack a job in Bulgaria could be a way to tell Israel “we haven’t gone away, you know”.

      Israeli civilians are easy targets if Israel choses total war on the Hezb.

      All pure conjecture.

      And let’s face it, Israel never observes any rules of war. Which is of no comfort to the relatives of today’s dead.

    • AllenBee on July 18, 2012, 8:45 pm

      truly disgusting that Trita Parsi has jumped on the “Tehran did it” bandwagon.
      http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/07/18/from-iran-to-bulgaria.html

      have no idea what Parsi’s game is, but it sucks.

      • Bumblebye on July 18, 2012, 9:39 pm

        Uninformed speculation all over the place – the definitive role of the armchair warriors. Heard one Salman Sheikh of Brookings Inst, Doha (on bbcR5) suggesting it could even be related to Syria.

      • AllenBee on July 18, 2012, 10:58 pm

        Brookings Doha is another Haim Saban outlet.

  11. Roya on July 18, 2012, 3:21 pm

    When in doubt, blame it on Iran.

  12. annie on July 18, 2012, 3:30 pm

    i fail to see how a horrific attack like this can serve any purpose to israel’s enemies. they were children too. this just feeds into an escalation of violence.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57474825/israel-blames-iran-in-deadly-bulgaria-bus-blast/

    The Israeli premier noted that Wednesday’s attack followed similar attacks or attempted attacks in India, Georgia, Thailand and Kenya and Cyprus in recent months. He said that once again, “all signs point to Iran,” though he did not offer any evidence to back up the claim.

    as for those kerstein tweets, that’s just sick. i can’t even respond to that kind of opportunistic game playing. of course i condemn the killing of civilians. especially children.

  13. BillM on July 18, 2012, 3:45 pm

    While Bibi is obviously blaming Iran (and Barak is blaming Iran, Hezbollah, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, and the guy who messed up his breakfast order), I note that all US officials who have spoken (including both Obama and Clinton) appear to be very pointedly avoiding following suit. This is a good sign.

    • lysias on July 18, 2012, 4:36 pm

      While Germany within days secretly gave Austria a blank check to punish Serbia for the Sarajevo assassinations in 1914, I don’t think she publicly blamed the Serbian government at the time.

      • BillM on July 18, 2012, 5:19 pm

        Clinton said the perpetrators will be caught and brought to justice. That is the exact opposite of warmongering.

        Good for her.

      • Woody Tanaka on July 18, 2012, 5:39 pm

        “Clinton said the perpetrators will be caught and brought to justice. That is the exact opposite of warmongering.”

        Given the way Americanss have “brought… justice” to people all over the world, I think it has as much of a chance to be warmongering as it does the opposite.

      • ColinWright on July 19, 2012, 1:10 am

        What if the perpetrators — or at least those who let the attack go forward — turn out to live in Tel Aviv?

        Do you think they’ll be brought to justice in that case?

      • BillM on July 19, 2012, 1:29 pm

        Of course not. You and Woody are, I think, missing the point. Whatever the US Administrations TRUE intentions (or even true willingness to go along with the Israeli government) are I am not discussing. I am discussing the actual terms used, whether they help or hurt. The words Clinton is using are very helpful: “perpetrators” “will be found” “brought to justice.” These are not words that help spur on war. Does that mean the US won’t engage in war? Of course not. But Clinton is using about the best terms possible right now.

      • Woody Tanaka on July 19, 2012, 2:29 pm

        BillM,

        Excepts when these words are spoken by a US rep., it can only be a threat. It’s like when the mafia thug tells you, “I really want to make sure that nothing happens to your shop.” You damn well know that even if “the actual terms used” are ones of concern and empathy that they do not mean that.

        Same here.

    • annie on July 18, 2012, 5:22 pm

      The Israeli media is also reporting that Israel’s Foreign Ministry has been issuing warnings since January about the possibility of a terrorist attack in Bulgaria. The Jerusalem Post reported that, after a suspicious package had been found on a bus that had transported Israeli tourists from Turkey to Bulgaria, the Israeli government requested additional security for its citizens traveling to the country.

      The Israeli government has been concerned that Israeli citizens could be subject to attacks abroad by the radical Islamist Hezbollah. Tourists had been admonished to take extra precautionary measures while traveling in Bulgaria.

  14. dimadok on July 18, 2012, 4:27 pm

    First, thank you for the condolences.
    Second, here is some food for thought with regard to Iranian connection-today is the 18th anniversary of the bombings in Israel cultural center in Argentina. Who can say that history cannot repeat itself and Iranians will pull something like that again? what about Cyprus arrest, Thailand and India, Baku ? Too many coincidences for my taste. Quod erat demonstrandum.

    • Woody Tanaka on July 18, 2012, 4:46 pm

      really, dim? It occurred on the same date? That’s your idea of reasoning? Did you know that the attack on the World Trade Center occurred on the anniversary the day Pete Rose broke Ty Cobb’s hit record? Clearly the attack was carried out by disgruntled fans of racist Georgian baseball players. Quod erat demonstrandum.

      dope.

    • SimoHurtta on July 18, 2012, 4:51 pm

      Are you really serious? You define Q.E.D. because something happened in Argentina 18 years ago on this date. Why did the Iranians wait 18 years?

      Can we using your logic then draw the conclusion that every terrorist attack done on April 9 is done by Jewish terrorists? Like you say can way say: “Who can say that history cannot repeat itself and Israelis will pull something like that again?” Q.E.D. By the way on April 9, 1948 took place the Deir Yassin massacre. There are tens if not hundreds of dates which could be used as “an anniversary” of massacres, terrorist attacks, assassinations etc done by Israelis.

      • AllenBee on July 18, 2012, 8:54 pm

        In its aftermath, German officials announced that Kristallnacht had erupted as a spontaneous outburst of public sentiment in response to the assassination of Ernst vom Rath, a German embassy official stationed in Paris. Herschel Grynszpan, a 17-year-old Polish Jew, had shot the diplomat on November 7, 1938. . . .
        Vom Rath died on November 9, 1938, two days after the shooting. The day happened to coincide with the anniversary of the 1923 Beer Hall Putsch, an important date in the National Socialist calendar. The Nazi Party leadership, assembled in Munich for the commemoration, chose to use the occasion as a pretext to launch a night of antisemitic excesses.

        “Shaul Avigur was head of the Haganah’s Mossad le Aliyah Ber (Committee for Illegal Immigration), set up in 1938 to facilitate the “illegal” movement of Jewish refugees from Central Europe to Palestine. . . .Haganah contacts with Nazi authorities within the context of of its illegal Jewish immigration efforts beginning in 1938 are [extensive].”

        “Zionism and Antisemitism in Nazi Germany,” Francis R. Nicosia, p. 126

    • Roya on July 18, 2012, 5:04 pm

      Really dingadong? Let’s be rational for a moment and ask, “How would this benefit Iran?” That’s an easy one. It doesn’t. Anything like this would just ratchet up the warmongering against Iran and give fuel to the neocon fire, but Iran has clearly demonstrated that she does not want want war. If she did have such a desire, Iran would have just messed with one of the U.S. navy ships multiplying in the Persian Gulf rather than going all the way to Bulgaria to do this, which reeks of a false flag operation.

      • ColinWright on July 18, 2012, 5:49 pm

        “Really dingadong? Let’s be rational for a moment and ask, “How would this benefit Iran?” That’s an easy one. It doesn’t. Anything like this would just ratchet up the warmongering against Iran…”

        Note that ‘racheting up the warmongering against Iran’ does serve the interests of some parties in Iran itself.

        For example, everyone has to quit complaining and man the ramparts. I read an interesting piece noting that yes, Iran’s economy is falling apart — but that’s due more to the government’s own mismanagement than to sanctions. Of course, the sanctions can be blamed…

        For an unstable, incompetent regime, an external enemy has a lot to be said for it. That’s as true in Tehran as it is in Tel Aviv. The Iranians themselves may want to keep the pot boiling.

      • Roya on July 18, 2012, 10:02 pm

        Definitely some colossal mismanagement going on there but I don’t think you can let sanctions off the hook that easily. So let me see if I’m following you correctly…killing Israelis in Bulgaria would amp up Israel’s saber rattling against Iran and in turn unite the people with the government against the external enemy?

        Also do you by any chance still have the link to that article?

      • AllenBee on July 18, 2012, 10:04 pm

        got a link to the piece that you read, ColinWright?

        PS. it’s a mistake of the facts to think of Iran’s government as an “unstable, incompetent regime” — plays right into USrael propaganda line.

        Iran’s government — let’s call it a government, shall we? just like we call the US Congress/Senate/White House a government? — has factions, conflicts, arguments, power struggles, and dysfunctions.
        oh my.
        The Iranian people are far more aware of western politics than westerners have a grasp of Iranian politics.
        All things considered, Iran is doing better than the US, economically, politically, and morally.
        Over their multi-thousand year history, Iranians have endured invasions, takeovers, sieges, droughts, famine, earthquakes. Each disruption is met as a problem to be endured and solved: drought? Persians develop quanats.

        After an imposed famine that killed thousands, Persians internalized the almost religious notion that there is not excuse for a Persian to go hungry: the Creator provided the land, trees, seeds; man supplies the labor and intelligence to cultivate the land, trees, seeds. It’s a holy obligation.

        Iranians do not have a pattern of killing to solve problems; in that, Tehran is radically different from Tel Aviv; your comparison is as inept as can possibly be imagined: Iran has 2500 years of experience with multiple forms of government, most of those years without a strong military; Israel has 65 years experience almost singularly focused on hypermilitarization and aggression.

      • American on July 18, 2012, 10:33 pm

        “Note that ‘racheting up the warmongering against Iran’ does serve the interests of some parties in Iran itself.”…Colin

        It would have to be minuscule some.
        If it was a terrorist group it smells like the MEK to me.
        As Greenwald and many others have written there is evidence Israel colludes with the MEK in the assassinations of Iran scientist.
        However— the MEK is a real freak goup of killers and unlikely to be totally contollable by Israel or anyone.
        If they thought killing Israelis would cause a war on Iran so they could take Iran over then they would kill Israelis even though they collaborated with Israel the day before. Assassinations and especially spectacular bombings of civilian targets are their speciality.

        There’s also the possibility it wasn’t state or a group, it could have been a single individual who hated Israelis, that’s happened before also.

      • Roya on July 19, 2012, 2:37 am

        Iranians do not have a pattern of killing to solve problems; in that, Tehran is radically different from Tel Aviv; your comparison is as inept as can possibly be imagined: Iran has 2500 years of experience with multiple forms of government, most of those years without a strong military; Israel has 65 years experience almost singularly focused on hypermilitarization and aggression.

        Indeed.

      • ritzl on July 19, 2012, 10:03 am

        Well said, American.

        MEK, by process of elimination, sure would seem to be a direct beneficiary of something like this, and crazy enough to do it. It seems to me that this is against the interests of everyone that is being accused of the deed, except them.

      • ColinWright on July 19, 2012, 3:22 pm

        “got a link to the piece that you read, ColinWright?”

        No…but it shouldn’t be too hard to find. It was in the NYT a month or something back.

    • annie on July 18, 2012, 5:23 pm

      Who can say that history cannot repeat itself and Iranians will pull something like that again?

      you’re assuming they did it the first time. that was never confirmed was it?

    • ColinWright on July 18, 2012, 5:33 pm

      “…what about Cyprus arrest, Thailand and India, Baku ? Too many coincidences for my taste…”

      Indeed. Mossad at work, is my take. As I say, that’s what comes of playing monkey games. “Quod est demonstrandum” hell. Qui bono?

    • Dexter on July 18, 2012, 5:53 pm

      “Thank you for the condolences.” Are you kidding? Nobody is extending condolences to YOU. They are being extended to the victims and their families, many of which likely support what is being done to Palestinians (what irony huh?).

      You are just looking for an excuse to go to war with Iran. Be careful what yo wish for, be very careful…

    • Shingo on July 18, 2012, 7:48 pm

      Who can say that history cannot repeat itself and Iranians will pull something like that again?

      How can it repeat itself when the FBI refures Iran had anything to do with the bombings in Israel cultural center in Argentina

    • Aristotelis on July 19, 2012, 3:24 pm

      “Update: In condemning the attack and noting that it falls on the 18th anniversary of a horrifying attack on a Buenos Aires Jewish center, a Canadian Jewish organization then pushes its statement in a disturbing Islamophobic direction…”

      Israel did it. Betcha Israel did Buenos Aires too.

      Plus more this blog bans comments on.

  15. Roya on July 18, 2012, 4:34 pm

    Wolf Blitzer just interviewed Michael Oren on CNN. Here’s a paraphrase:
    Oren: Iran did it.
    Blitzer: What’s the evidence?
    Oren: Well, there’s none. We’re investigating.
    Blitzer: Makes sense. What are you gonna do about it?
    Oren: Israel will respond firmly and unequivocally against Iran.
    Blitzer: Didn’t you kill their scientists?
    Oren: What’s your point?

    What’s the Hebrew word for Iran? Boogeyman?

    • MRW on July 18, 2012, 5:40 pm

      Sounds like Perle and Barak on BBC at 4 PM EST (9/11) claiming that Osama bin Laden was responsible for bringing down the towers and the idiotic BBC anchor let them get away with it while Barak was calling for a global reaction to ‘tay-row’.

      Completely irresponsible of Blitzer.

      • Dutch on July 18, 2012, 8:47 pm

        “Completely irresponsible of Blitzer.”

        Touché.

      • Roya on July 18, 2012, 10:10 pm

        Yes and it was quite coincidental for Perle and Barak to be ready and in the studios of the world’s largest media network within hours of the biggest attack on the United States in the country’s history, and quite ‘shrewd’ of them to have already figured out who was behind it even before Americans could fully grasp what was happening.

        Then again, BBC also knew that WTC 7 had collapsed 20 minutes before it fell, so that grand company must have some divine powers on their payroll.

  16. ritzl on July 18, 2012, 4:41 pm

    Sociopathy used to “combat” sociopathy is not a neutral concept. It’s simply two [very] wrongs and drags everyone down.

    Sympathies for the victims and their families. I hope they find the f**ks that did this.

    Solve the damn problem(s).

  17. seafoid on July 18, 2012, 4:53 pm

    Zionism does most of the terrorising , Brian.

    The charnel house in Jerusalem is a centre of the military cult
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KS4wmGunSMU
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZhX6FdNoH0
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wMIq6X4zi4&feature=related

    The Israeli public is like a violin that Bibi plays to orchestral standard.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xi0GPEXOzng
    http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheScream

  18. ColinWright on July 18, 2012, 4:56 pm

    I see no reason to suspect Iran more than Israel. That’s what comes of playing monkey games all the time (the Liberty, etc). If an attack happens that meets your needs, the suspicion is that you had something to do with the attack.

  19. ColinWright on July 18, 2012, 5:02 pm

    “Oren: Israel will respond firmly and unequivocally against Iran.
    Blitzer: Didn’t you kill their scientists?
    Oren: What’s your point?”

    That’s the other problem with playing monkey games. It’s hard to pretend you’re the aggrieved party.

  20. Eva Smagacz on July 18, 2012, 5:03 pm

    During Cast Lead the loss of life equivalent to that in Bulgaria occurred every 2.5 hours, day and night, for the entire duration of the Israeli Attack.( Munich massacre in 1972, by comparison, 4 hours and 20 minutes of operation Cast Lead ).

    I can foresee those killed in blast in Sarafovo being used as a propaganda fodder, to continue to limit civil liberties, enrich security industry and stuff pockets of military contractors. What an nauseating exode after tragic, unnecessary death of young people

  21. Daniel Rich on July 18, 2012, 5:04 pm

    @ Philip Weiss,

    Q: … everyone on our site joins me in condemning such attacks.

    R: If it’s all the same to you, I prefer to have [demand] some room to be able to act independently and not have someone speak on behalf of me without properly consulting with me about such sensitive issues. After all that has happened, Israelis have it coming. I, personally, have tried to warn many individuals not to support their government’s heinous crimes against humanity, because one day ‘payback time’ would surface Although I condemn the wanton slaughter of innocent citizens, I’m still stuck with the images of so many innocent Palestinians whose lives have been cut short. There’s no scale to compare suffering, I know.

    • Mooser on July 18, 2012, 6:36 pm

      Daniel Rich, I hate to be the one to break it to you, but neither you nor I may be included in those “on the site”. We are commenters (although I did once contribute an article on “What the Well-Dressed Man is Wearing” which was removed). It may seem ungenerous, but I have a feeling Phil Weiss was referring to the staff, whose gravatars and names appear under the heading “OUR WRITERS”, (no wonder he never has capital letters around when he needs them.) a group I would guess he is able to get in touch with to canvass their views, and whose consensus was that the attack should be condemned.
      As you can probably tell, I feel the only way to resolve this is for you to start writing for Mondoweiss.

      • YoungMassJew on July 18, 2012, 11:44 pm

        Thanks for saying that Mooser.

      • Mooser on July 19, 2012, 9:17 pm

        “Thanks for saying that Mooser.”

        You did look up the article in the archives, I hope YMJ? I’d hate to think of you going around with your pants pressed sideways, or wearing a soft shirt to dinner.

        Anyway, you’re off the hook YMJ. I don’t imagine writing that comment to tell Phil to include you, too, out of the condemnation was something you looked forward to, but your principles, I know, are stern taskmasters.

      • YoungMassJew on July 19, 2012, 10:50 pm

        Urrgh Mooser. You can drive me crazy somtimes my friend. I was simply thanking you for putting the previous comment in its rightful place. This has nothing to do with me. Don’t make more of something than you need to.

  22. ColinWright on July 18, 2012, 5:08 pm

    I wonder, parenthetically, if it was some group of Turkish fanatics that carried this out. Bulgaria does have a large Turkish community — the location would have worked if the terrorists were Turkish.

    That’s another aspect of all this. Israel has made so many friends it must be hard to keep them all straight. I mean, it would be convenient if the Iranians were behind this — but it could have been Turks, Hezbollah, Iran, Palestinians, Israel herself…there’s something to be said for all the choices.

    Anyway, Israel’s credibility is such crap that even if she does come up with something pointing at Iran in particular, there will be no reason to believe the evidence is authentic.

    • American on July 19, 2012, 12:07 am

      @ Colin

      All true. We’ve just all guessing at the culprits. ….Israel has made so many enemies it could be anyone.

  23. atime forpeace on July 18, 2012, 5:13 pm

    It is extremely sad to see these innocent people being killed.

    This is from an earlier attack in New Delhi last year that targeted Israeli diplomats.

    http://original.antiwar.com/porter/2012/03/02/who-was-behind-the-delhi-bombing/

    “The magnet bomb that exploded on an Israeli Embassy diplomat’s car in Delhi on February 13 seemed on the surface to be consistent with an Iranian-sponsored action.

    It was carried out with same method by which Israel’s Iranian proxy, the Mujahedin-e Khalq, had assassinated an Iranian scientist in mid-January. It occurred on the anniversary of the 2008 assassination of Hezbollah operations chief Imad Mugniyeh, which Hezbollah had vowed to avenge. And it happened at the same time as what appeared to be attempted bombings in Bangkok and Tbilisi.

    But a review of the evidence uncovered thus far makes the link to Iran begin to look very dubious. Instead, it points to the distinct possibility that the Israelis planned a carefully limited bomb attack that was not intended to cause serious injury to Israeli diplomatic personnel, but that would advance the larger Israeli narrative on the need to punish Iran.

    The evidence surrounding that bomb itself indicates a series of decisions by the terrorist team that is fundamentally inconsistent with an Iranian-Hezbollah revenge bombing. The preliminary forensic analysis of the bomb itself had estimated it to be 250-300 grams of explosives, but sources in the investigation later reduced the estimate to 200-250 grams. The 250-gram bomb that exploded near the Delhi High Court in May 2011 did not even damage the car under which it had been placed and was characterised by Police Commissioner B K Gupta as a “low-intensity and mild blast”.

    • ColinWright on July 18, 2012, 5:39 pm

      There’s also all sorts of mid-range possibilities.

      For example, Mossad was tracking the perpetrators and let them go ahead. They weren’t supposed to succeed of course. Just get caught with the bomb in hand and the fuze lit, so to speak…

      It’s some kind of fringe group Mossad has been nurturing that got a little out of hand…

      It could even be a perfectly authentic, official Iranian government operation. That’s just kind of unknowable, absent an admission of guilt from the Iranians themselves or a declaration from somebody a little less untrustworthy than the Israelis themselves.

      However, I’m not sure it really matters. The question isn’t who killed the Archduke so much as are we going to have World War One now?

      • Roya on July 18, 2012, 6:00 pm

        It could even be a perfectly authentic, official Iranian government operation.

        But even American officials concede that Iran is a rational actor, so what motive would Iran have in pulling this, especially given the circumstances? See my comment above in response to dimadok. If Iranian at all, it would be the MEK (who Iranians disown anyway), working under the auspices of Israel and the U.S. And if it were the MEK a more likely place for the attack would be France, their hub.

      • ColinWright on July 18, 2012, 10:42 pm

        The Iranians — or some of them, it’s not the Borg collective over there — could be reasoning that they have to ‘talk to the Zionists.’

        If Israel keeps killing their scientists, they’ll keep doing this. From Tehran’s point of view, that could make sense.

        Mind, I’m not putting that at the head of my list of theories. It’s just that Israel isn’t the only operator out there who is bat-shit crazy.

      • Roya on July 19, 2012, 3:24 pm

        Colin, I’m not a fan of the Iranian government’s domestic policies but even I have to admit that in terms of foreign policy the government is a rational actor. Much more rational than the U.S., and infinitely more rational than Israel. So please either conjure up some evidence to suggest that the government is completely “bat-shit crazy” or stop comparing the government in Tehran to that in Tel Aviv.

      • ColinWright on July 19, 2012, 3:42 pm

        “So please either conjure up some evidence to suggest that the government is completely “bat-shit crazy” or stop comparing the government in Tehran to that in Tel Aviv.”

        Okay. I completely retract my remark.

      • Mooser on July 19, 2012, 9:24 pm

        “not the only operator out there who is bat-shit crazy.”

        Yeah, I know what you mean. Next they’ll be using remote-controlled drones!

      • edwin on July 18, 2012, 6:06 pm

        There is no world war one in the offing. An Israeli/US/Europe attack on Iran isn’t world war 1. It may lead to Iran engaging in a world wide terror campaign, but that also isn’t ww1.

      • Roya on July 18, 2012, 9:44 pm

        @edwin Why is it that when a Western country (plus Israel) carries out a military attack it is a legitimate act of war but when anybody else does it it is a “world wide terror campaign” even when it’s a response to offensive attacks?

        As Miko Peled said, “the Israeli army is probably the best financed, best armed, best fed terrorist organizations in the world” but you’d be hard-pressed to find that sentiment repeated in the MSM. Hamas and Hezbollah, which arose as a response to Israeli offenses, are said to be terrorist groups but the IDF is said to be a “defensive” and “moral” army with “American values.” Why is that?

      • lysias on July 18, 2012, 10:09 pm

        @edwin:

        If China and Russia come to the aid of an attacked Iran, that’s not a world war?

      • ColinWright on July 18, 2012, 10:45 pm

        A wrecked global economy, the US engaging in ever-more futile and ever-expanding military campaigns in the Middle East on an ever-shrinking line of credit, Israel and its two hundred nukes finding itself increasingly isolated.

        It’s close enough to World War One.

      • ColinWright on July 19, 2012, 3:24 pm

        “There is no world war one in the offing. An Israeli/US/Europe attack on Iran isn’t world war 1. It may lead to Iran engaging in a world wide terror campaign, but that also isn’t ww1.”

        Home before the leaves fall, in other words.

      • lysias on July 18, 2012, 10:11 pm

        @ColinWright:

        Why wouldn’t they have been supposed to succeed? If the purpose is to justify an attack on Iran, wouldn’t dead teenagers be a much better casus belli than a failed attack?

      • ColinWright on July 19, 2012, 3:45 pm

        “@ColinWright:

        Why wouldn’t they have been supposed to succeed? If the purpose is to justify an attack on Iran, wouldn’t dead teenagers be a much better casus belli than a failed attack?”

        Perhaps. As firmly as I am convinced of Israel’s evil, however, I still think they might balk at killing their own children.

        But that may just be a lack of vision on my part. I’m certainly willing to admit the possibility.

    • American on July 19, 2012, 12:10 am

      “Instead, it points to the distinct possibility that the Israelis planned a carefully limited bomb attack that was not intended to cause serious injury to Israeli diplomatic personnel, but that would advance the larger Israeli narrative on the need to punish Iran.”

      Yea, that’s what the Delhi incident looked like to me too.

  24. ColinWright on July 18, 2012, 5:27 pm

    This is all — already — bearing some unpleasant similarities to the outbreak of World War One.

    Archduke Ferdinand was assassinated by a group of Serbian terrorists with imprecise links to the Serbian government. It wouldn’t surprise me unduly if whoever did this was in fact linked with somebody in the Iranian power structure somehow.

    It’s been argued that Austria could have just summarily invaded Serbia, and nothing much would have come of it all. But no — Austria had to pause to get a German declaration of support, which produced a Russian declaration of support for Serbia, which…

    Can’t you just see Israel squeezing a statement of support out of us before she acts?

    And then we’ll all be off to the races…and when it’s all over, we’ll all agree what an incredibly bad idea it all was — and over what?

    Of course, it’ll be a bit late by then. That I can’t see Israel surviving it all is going to be scant consolation. Just like World War One broke up the Austro-Hungarian Empire. Not really worth the price…

  25. MRW on July 18, 2012, 5:41 pm

    I’d love to hear Victor Ostrovsky’s take on this.

  26. ColinWright on July 18, 2012, 5:42 pm

    People are also overlooking that rather ridiculous Arbabsiar farce (‘Jack’ is still in jail, by the way). At least the Israelis and possibly us may have been working to frame Iran for some time.

    …at the same time, of course, the Iranians themselves are no angels — and they’ve got cause. Nor is their government a monolithic hierarchy. So who did this? We may never know.

  27. ColinWright on July 18, 2012, 5:44 pm

    If the intent was to give Israel a pretext for attacking Iran — or to give her a pretext for demanding that we attack Iran — the timing, nature, and outcome of this attack are perfect. There’s no gainsaying that.

  28. Roya on July 18, 2012, 5:52 pm

    Four senior Syrian officials were killed in a terrorist attack today. CNN, ABC, and Fox praise the killings (not always in a roundabout way), making sure to refrain from using the phrase “terrorist attack.” Yes, the value of blood depends on whether or not yours is on a US-Israeli blacklist.
    RIP to all victims.

  29. ColinWright on July 18, 2012, 5:57 pm

    Hezbollah’s disavowing involvement, whatever that means.

    “Hezbollah denies all connection to the attack. A representative from the group told Lebanese media outlets that “we will not seek revenge over the death of Imad Mughniyah by harming tourists.”

    Maybe they mean exactly what they said. Maybe they just don’t want to be point man for Iran on this one. Maybe both. Maybe neither.

  30. Binyamin in Orangeburg on July 18, 2012, 5:59 pm

    Phil, you have once again struck the right balance. This is indeed a terrorist attack. It is a deliberate targeting of civilians to achieve political goals. But it cannot be a pretext for assaulting either Iran or Lebanon.

    In 1982, On 3 June 1982 Israel’s ambassador to the United Kingdom, Shlomo Argov was shot and seriously wounded in London by terrorists belonging to the Iraqi-backed Abu Nidal terrorist organization. The PLO condemned the attack. That did not stop Arik Sharon from using it as a pretext to assault Lebanon, on the grounds that Israel had the right to “clean out terrorist bases.” More than 10,000 Lebanese and Palestinians died during the course of Israeli’s occupation of southern Lebanon, which ended only 1999.

    Israel is desperately looking for a pretext, any pretext, to assault Iran and Hezbollah.

    • ColinWright on July 18, 2012, 7:37 pm

      “Israel is desperately looking for a pretext, any pretext, to assault Iran and Hezbollah.”

      I think it would be more accurate to say ‘Israel is desperately looking for a mechanism, any mechanism, to get us to carry out or at least to implicate us in an assault on Iran and Hezbollah.’

      I think Israel recognizes that for her to attack Iran, without a clear and public green light from us, would be extremely counterproductive. On the other hand, if she can just get us to…

  31. ColinWright on July 18, 2012, 7:38 pm

    Incidentally, try counting the public statements of solidarity, sympathy, outrage, etc in connection with these dead Israelis.

    Then next time the IDF carries out a similar outrage in Gaza, do the count.

  32. ColinWright on July 18, 2012, 7:49 pm

    This, a few hours after the attack.

    “Prime Minister Netanyahu, apparently supported by detailed intelligence, did not hesitate to point the finger at Iran over the attack in which seven died, and 33 others were wounded….”

    Detailed intelligence? Really? My.

    There are a number of possibilities — all unpleasant.

    1. Israel actually has no frigging idea who carried out the attack and is just trying to use it to justify bombing Iran.

    2. Israel is already sure because she knew this attack was going to happen, and let it happen.

    We either have some unjustified accusations, a miraculously fast intelligence network, or a set up. There’s a narrow window where Israel could be simultaneously both sure and not culpable — but it’s a narrow one.

    • American on July 19, 2012, 12:17 am

      “let it happen.”

      Just happens to be my 911 theory. A “let it happen” is a perfect crime in most cases.

  33. Blake on July 18, 2012, 8:51 pm

    Bulgarian security services are trained by the Mossad. There are dozens of Mossad agents operating in Bulgaria which still has in place massive Soviet era security services that follow all tourists and check on every “overnight” guest in Bulgaria.In fact, you can’t leave Bulgaria without meal and hotel receipts being reviewed. Bulgaria is considered, next to North Korea, the most “watchful” nation on earth. There has never been evidence of any Iranian security personnel operating in Eastern Europe .
    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/07/18/breakingunconfirmed-sec-clinton-assassination-attempt-in-israel/

  34. MRW on July 18, 2012, 10:08 pm

    Anyone notice this yesterday in The Nation, or am I completely out of touch?
    “Breaking News: Assassination Attempt on Hillary Clinton in Israel”
    http://socialnetwork.thenation.com/forum/topics/breaking-news-assassination-attempt-on-hillary-clinton-in-israel?xg_source=activity

    Breaking: Assassination Attempt Of Hillary Clinton In Israel

    (Beacon) Iran’s Al-Alam News reports an assassination attempt of U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton during her visit to Israel Sunday.

    Al-Alam article translation from Arabic to English:
    Israeli sources reported that the procession of Hillary Clinton Secretary of State was shot on yesterday, while passing through on the road to Jerusalem – Tel Aviv,” states Al-Alam News.

    According to information published by the site ‘rueter’, the Israeli kind of car ‘Citroen’ white approached a car in the convoy carrying Clinton and what appeared to be fired from a car Citroen DS.

    According to the guards the convoy, the car Citroen DS ‘s assistant fled from the place and no one was hurt from the passengers of a footnote to Hillary Clinton.
    Israeli police declared alert in the place in which fired him fire (red night).

    According to the site, the process of fire were on the road to Jerusalem (Tel Aviv)
    The large police forces of the place.

    Police did not confirm the Israeli occupation that has already been shooting toward a car Hillary Clinton but confirmed that they are combing through the wide (Tel Aviv) Jerusalem, especially at the crossroads violent.

    Interestingly, no mention of the incident was reported by western media outlets.

    Source: http://www.alalam.ir/news/1212914

    • lysias on July 19, 2012, 11:06 am

      This story is now being reported on Veterans Today: Breaking/Confirmed: Sec Clinton Assassination Attempt in Israel (updated).

    • lysias on July 19, 2012, 11:50 am

      And a diary on this alleged assassination attempt by Daily Kos front-page diarist Jed Lewison appears to have been censored by Daily Kos. Doing a Google search for stories with “hillary assassination israel” that appear on the Daily Kos site, this was my first result:

      Daily Kos: Hillary Clinton attacked in Israel
      http://www.dailykos.com/…/-Hillary-Clinton-attacked-in-Israel
      You +1′d this publicly. Undo

      Jed Lewison

      by Jed Lewison – in 328 Google+ circles – More by Jed Lewison
      12 hours ago – It was reported once in Israel and then nothing. I googled ‘Hillary Clinton assassination’ and got a number of hits. The best coverage seems to …

      However, when I followed the link to the Daily Kos story, this is what I got:

      Error!

      The error was:
      You do not have permission to view this diary.

      Hostname: web2.dailykos.com

      Time: 2012-07-19T15:37:09

      If this message does not make sense to you, please copy and paste the above, along with a description of what you were doing before the error, and submit it to the helpdesk for assistance.

      • ColinWright on July 19, 2012, 3:27 pm

        It could just be a bum story. These things happen. The news organs that are quick off the mark wind up with egg on their face.

        Of course, it could also be a cover-up — as you suggest. However, the truth is that one just doesn’t know.

      • lysias on July 19, 2012, 3:56 pm

        If it’s a bum story, it’s strange that the media aren’t reporting that it is an untrue story, so that people who saw the original reports are left free to continue to believe that it’s true, and many people will speculate that there’s censorship at work.

        It’s strange that the Daily Kos diary wasn’t left up, with an update stating that the story turns out not to have been true.

  35. ColinWright on July 18, 2012, 10:50 pm

    That does spell ‘set up.’ All this does bear a strong resemblance to that rather smoothly orchestrated ‘attack out of Sinai and bombing of Gaza’ a few months or a year back. Didn’t that come at a time of mounting social tension as well?

    Well, let’s see what happens next. Bibi sure was quick off the mark, though. I wonder if the various Western powers made us call him off?

  36. American on July 18, 2012, 11:29 pm

    The Israelis make no sense. Assume this was true, there was a Hez guy planning to bomb some Israelis. Assume Israel really believes Israelis are targets 24/7 everywhere.
    Remember Israel warned tourist off Egypt before and warns Israelis on visiting numerous other countries constantly.
    So having already ‘fingered” one Hez guy in Bulgaria…Israel warned no Israeli tourist, no one took any extra security precautions with transportation, luggage or who boarded the bus?
    Doesn’t make sense.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jul/18/israel-iran-bomb-tourists-bulgaria

    “The attack comes days after a 24-year-old Lebanese man affiliated with Hezbollah was arrested in Cyprus on suspicion of planning a terror attack targeting Israeli tourists, based on evidence provided to local police by Israeli intelligence.

    The man was found with information on tour buses carrying Israeli passengers, a list of Cypriot spots favoured by Israeli tourists and details of Israeli airlines that fly into Cyprus, Greek newspaper Phileleftheros reported.”

    “Based on the modus operandi of Hezbollah and Iranian agencies, including the Revolutionary Guard, I think a clear trademark connects today’s attack with those elements,” said Boaz Ganor, executive director at the Institute for Counter-Terrorism in Herzliya, Israel.

    • ColinWright on July 19, 2012, 3:00 am

      ” “Based on the modus operandi of Hezbollah and Iranian agencies, including the Revolutionary Guard, I think a clear trademark connects today’s attack with those elements,” said Boaz Ganor, executive director at the Institute for Counter-Terrorism in Herzliya, Israel.”

      What’s funny about this is that the statement is almost consciously dishonest.

      Hezbollah’s modus operandi has always been decidedly parochial. The organization itself (as opposed to whatever more or less self-appointed sympathizers may or may not have done) seems to be entirely concerned with Shia interests within Lebanon, and operations within Lebanon. Notice how they were entirely willing to sit on their hands during ‘Cast Lead.’ Whatever else one may think of it, Hezbollah is not SPECTRE. I see little reason to think they even care about anything outside of Lebanon.

      As for Iranian agencies — the recent slew of ‘attacks’ and ‘plots’ that look suspiciously like frame-ups themselves notwithstanding — Iran also has a modus operandi. It tends to be defensive, and what international killings they have carried out have usually been of ex-officials of the Shah, and occurred in the years immediately after the Iranian revolution. That Iran is a ‘sponsor of international terror’ is largely a creation of Israeli propaganda in the first place. In my view, Iran is a thoroughly horrible place. However, she doesn’t carry out bombings 1500 miles away.

      …The funny bit is that Israel herself has probably carried out more international killings than either Hezbollah or Iran. It is her ‘modus operandi’ that should excite concern.

  37. American on July 18, 2012, 11:48 pm

    I am always willing to believe the worse about Israel based on their history of past killings and pattern of false flags and terror acts….BUT….would Israel actually sacrifice Jews to a false flag?
    I don’t know about that. I really tend to think not.

    But then you can never underestimate evil. Would be masters of the universe have sacrificed their own before for some goal.

    • ColinWright on July 19, 2012, 2:45 am

      I think that Israel is willing to let terrorist operations go ahead and see what comes of them.

      Witness both the timing and the response to that attack out of the Sinai a year or so back. It came right when the domestic demonstrations in Israel were getting out of hand, it succeeded, and within hours Israel was killing what it claimed were the perpetrators. Somehow — even though the attack occurred at quite a distance from Gaza — Israel not only knew it had originated in Gaza, but exactly who had originated it.

      Not at all coincidentally, the demonstrations immediately subside as all good Jews rush to the ramparts in a heart-warming display of renewed unity, economic submissiveness, and patriotic vigilance.

      Now this. Burning man was last week, then this happens (in a state where it is claimed the Mossad has excellent connections). Netanyahu is immediately claiming it was Iran.

      I can’t guarantee my suppositions are correct — but I see no reason to dismiss them, either. Israel certainly has a record of duplicity — and previous attacks have succeeded at remarkably opportune times.

      I’ll add a couple of qualifiers.

      First, the attack wasn’t necessarily supposed to succeed. Israel may have intended to catch the perpetrators bomb in hand.

      Second, I wouldn’t be surprised if France, Britain et al promptly warned Netanyahu off, both directly and via the United States. This may have been meant to be ‘der Tag’ — but Israel may not have been able to have her way. Then again, it may have just been part of the build up. Now will come a renewed demand for aerial tankers and bunker busters.

  38. piotr on July 19, 2012, 12:01 am

    Lieberman announced that Iran is responsible “directly or indirectly”. Which probably translates into “we have no idea”.

    Terror is inexcusable. Israeli announcements are dubious, indeed, grisly opportunism.

  39. piotr on July 19, 2012, 12:34 am

    From the timeline of Times of Israel:

    23:53
    A Chabad official in Bourgas, Shmulik, says he is watching over the seven bodies at the airport terminal “and I won’t let anyone touch them” until the plane carrying the ZAKA medical rescue team arrives.

    Some of the Israelis who were not hurt want to go on with their holidays, he says. Others want to go home.

    He says he has just arranged for food from a kosher restaurant to be brought to Israelis still at the terminal.

    00:05
    Channel 2 says one of the seven dead is a Bulgarian.

    ————-

    Why Shmulik did not allow “anyone to touch” a Bulgarian? Or Israelis, for that matter. I imagine that authorities may need forensic samples etc.

    ————-

    Blake, if you are sure that smuggling gangs have big difficulties crossing Bulgarian borders, good for you. I would not be sure.

  40. nancee on July 19, 2012, 12:53 am

    My heart goes out to the victims their families.

  41. DICKERSON3870 on July 19, 2012, 1:47 am

    RE: “7 dead in terrorist attack in Bulgaria”

    MY COMMENT: These deaths (along with the many injuries) make this a very sad day.

  42. YoungMassJew on July 19, 2012, 2:04 am

    My thoughts and prayers are with the innocent victims.

  43. erty on July 19, 2012, 2:28 am

    colin wright

    -you are indeed a busy little propagandist -obviously mondoweiss considers you their left hand man -so much time on your hands to play the liberal -thats ok -keep up the hasbara

    what is it your trying to say with all your comments

    whats the message colin left wright left wright left wright

    you have so far posted these comments on this post

    1.There’s a narrow window where Israel could be simultaneously both sure and not culpable — but it’s a narrow one.

    2.That does spell ‘set up.’ All this does bear a strong resemblance to that rather smoothly orchestrated ‘attack out of Sinai and bombing of Gaza’ a few months or a year back. Didn’t that come at a time of mounting social tension as well?

    3.Incidentally, try counting the public statements of solidarity, sympathy, outrage, etc in connection with these dead Israelis.

    4.People are also overlooking that rather ridiculous Arbabsiar farce (‘Jack’ is still in jail, by the way). At least the Israelis and possibly us may have been working to frame Iran for some time.

    5.I think it would be more accurate to say ‘Israel is desperately looking for a mechanism, any mechanism, to get us to carry out or at least to implicate us in an assault on Iran and Hezbollah.’

    6.Maybe they mean exactly what they said. Maybe they just don’t want to be point man for Iran on this one. Maybe both. Maybe neither.

    There’s also all sorts of mid-range possibilities.

    For example, Mossad was tracking the perpetrators and let them go ahead. They weren’t supposed to succeed of course. Just get caught with the bomb in hand and the fuze lit, so to speak…

    It’s some kind of fringe group Mossad has been nurturing that got a little out of hand…

    7.What if the perpetrators — or at least those who let the attack go forward — turn out to live in Tel Aviv?

    8.Indeed. Mossad at work, is my take. As I say, that’s what comes of playing monkey games. “Quod est demonstrandum” hell. Qui bono?

    9.“Well who should be condemned besides in general such incidents, when it is obvious that there is not yet any real “crime scene data” available even for the Israelis…”

    That would all depend on who wrote the script.

    10.Ultimately, everything Israel does is indeed necessary if there is to be an Israel. The state can only exist through the continuous application of repression.

    • RoHa on July 19, 2012, 3:27 am

      “Ultimately, everything Israel does is indeed necessary if there is to be an Israel. The state can only exist through the continuous application of repression.”

      Then the sooner Israel ceases to exist, the better.

    • ColinWright on July 19, 2012, 3:39 am

      “colin wright

      -you are indeed a busy little propagandist -obviously mondoweiss considers you their left hand man -so much time on your hands to play the liberal -thats ok -keep up the hasbara

      what is it your trying to say with all your comments

      whats the message colin left wright left wright left wright

      you have so far posted these comments on this post…

      And you go on to quote all my comments. What’s your point?

      All I am trying to say is exactly what I said. I think it’s entirely possible there was some element of Israeli collusion in all this.

      If you want to accuse me of hating Israel, go ahead. You’re entirely correct.

      I will note though, that funnily enough, I am not ‘liberal’ in any normal sense of the term. Well, I might be if I moved to rural Alabama, but not around here (the San Francisco Bay Area) I’m not.

      I just hate evil — at least evil that I am forced to pay for. Stupidity, I can handle — but not evil.

  44. Taxi on July 19, 2012, 3:25 am

    Phil Weiss,

    The 17th July marks the beginning of the application of the israeli ‘dahia doctrine’ that intentionally targeted and murdered over a thousand innocent Lebanese civilians.

    So like I’m sunning my buns on the beaches of beirut and listening to stories by Lebanese sun-worshipers about the 17th July 2006 israeli assault, then I get back to my rented house and find mw dressed in black and mourning the death of 7-8 israelis in Bulgaria.

    Where does that leave me, an American traveler in the mideast in the summer of 2012? Well I can’t help, like everyone else around me, but be more concerned with another israeli ‘excuse’ to strike at it’s neighbors – another israeli military attack that would turn more Arab civilians into mince-meat.

    Are you getting my drift here, Phil?

    Okay, let me be clear then. It’s become impossible to believe ANYTHING the israeli say and almost as impossible to grief for them. Personally, I’m of the mind that the mossad set up this diabolical op in Bulgaria – same as they set up the half-assed ambassadorial car bomb in India – for obvious reasons. Let us observe here that Bulgaria is a friend of Syria and the Syrians will also be marking the 17th July as the day an israeli/usa backed op on their army honchos killed several of their top guys as well as Bashar’s brother-in-law. Let us be clear here too that neither Iran nor hizbollah have the habit of choosing ‘soft’ targets for ‘revenge’ purposes. They’re both into the hard targets, be they military or financial – and they’re both known for their enduring patience. The only side that’s trigger-happy and in a hurry to go to war is israel – cornered and weakening since August 2006.

    Seems like a heckalotta competition here as to who ‘owns’ the 17th July.

  45. ColinWright on July 19, 2012, 3:50 am

    “It’s become impossible to believe ANYTHING the israeli say “

    The only significance any Israeli statement has is that it indicates what they would like you to believe.

    It literally has no meaning beyond that. There are all kinds of possibilities concerning this attack. However, what Israel will say will merely offer clues as to what use they hope to make of it now that it’s happened. It will shed no light on the attack itself.

  46. DaveS on July 19, 2012, 10:11 am

    News flash: This morning’s Democracy Now broadcast played a clip of Israeli Defense Minister Barak, saying that the attack was “initiated by probably Hezbollah, Hamas, [Islamic] Jihad or any other group under the terror auspices of either Iran or other radical Muslim groups.” It starts at about 2:15 of the broadcast. http://www.democracynow.org/

    Well, that settles it. The Israelis have identified the culprit with a reasonable degree of certainty. Thanks Ehud.

    I would be shocked if Mossad really played a role in perpetrating this, but I can’t think of anything more disgusting than Bibi rushing to exploit the tragedy by blaming Iran before the bodies have been removed from the scene. Just when you think the guy can’t sink any lower. . .

    • lysias on July 19, 2012, 10:20 am

      This morning’s Democracy Now broadcast played a clip of Israeli Defense Minister Barak, saying that the attack was “initiated by probably Hezbollah, Hamas, [Islamic] Jihad or any other group under the terror auspices of either Iran or other radical Muslim groups.”

      I.e., he doesn’t have the slightest idea who did it.

    • MRW on July 20, 2012, 6:43 pm

      a clip of Israeli Defense Minister Barak, saying that the attack was “initiated by probably Hezbollah . . . radical Muslim groups.”

      David, this is precisely what Barak did on 9/11 on BBC World. Barak flew to London so he could be ready to go on BBC and suggest it was Bin Laden before the smoke cleared? He says it at :42 seconds and 7:00 min. You can see the real time Barak appeared in a flash of the satellite feed showing 15:27 GMT. Compare that time with NYC time.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAueLjdKh1s

      On 9/11, my BBC feed showed Barak sitting in the Green Room waiting to come on in an insert, and the previous announcer highlighted that Barak would be available in the next section to comment on events in the US.

      What bothered me about it that day was why a news org wasn’t getting insight from US sources. 9/11 happened to the US, not Israel. Why Israel, and not France or Russia or Britain for that matter?

      • Roya on July 20, 2012, 9:44 pm

        MRW is on to something here. It takes a good 7 hours of flight time to travel between London and Tel Aviv. The first plane hit at 8:46 am ET and Barak was right in the studio of the world’s biggest news network 1.75 hours later ready to tell the world what had happened. Oh yeah, and the BBC reported that WTC 7 fell 20 minutes before it did.
        That is all.

  47. German Lefty on July 19, 2012, 10:11 am

    And let us be clear: this is a tragic development, everyone on our site joins me in condemning such attacks. The victims are in our thoughts.
    I am surprised that you considered it necessary to mention this. It should go without saying that we oppose injustice and violence against (any) people. I mean, that’s precisely why this site was created. Right-wingers are just too dumb to see that. They project their own double standards onto us.
    If even a Jew is (wrongly) accused of anti-Semitism when speaking out against Zionism, then I – as a German – have zero chance.
    http://media.desura.com/images/members/1/382/381429/Free-Palestine2.jpg

    Besides, if the terrorists/Jew-haters had half a brain, then they would refrain from such attacks on innocent people. Don’t they see that by carrying out such an attack they only play into the hands of the Zionist regime? Anti-Semitism fuels Zionism.

  48. ColinWright on July 19, 2012, 3:06 pm

    “Besides, if the terrorists/Jew-haters had half a brain, then they would refrain from such attacks on innocent people. Don’t they see that by carrying out such an attack they only play into the hands of the Zionist regime? Anti-Semitism fuels Zionism.”

    Not necessarily. The Second Intifada, with its numerous suicide attacks, produced marked economic decline in Israel and a sharp fall in immigration. It was making Israel go away. That doesn’t mean it was a viable tactic — but it wasn’t a totally ineffectual one.

    Secondly, the bombings provoked Israel to commit many unspeakable outrages herself. The Palestinians went into the Second Intifada already branded as terrorists; when they came out of it, they looked about the same — but Israel looked a lot worse. As an uncommitted and casual observer I know commented about half way through, ‘Israel does remind me of the Borg Collective.’

    Finally, such tactics drive Israel into a stance of uncompromising intransigence that is sure to end in her dissolution. I don’t particularly want to see an Israel that is amenable to compromise. I want her to dig in her heels and refuse to give an inch.

    So one can deplore attacks on civilians, but their morality or lack thereof is an entirely separate question from their efficacy. However, I have to grant that attacks on Israelis overseas are hardly likely to encourage Israelis to leave Palestine — which is, in the crudest sense, the goal. It would be better if they felt themselves to be safe as houses — once they’ve left Palestine.

    • German Lefty on July 19, 2012, 4:58 pm

      @ ColinWright:
      The Palestinians went into the Second Intifada already branded as terrorists; when they came out of it, they looked about the same — but Israel looked a lot worse.
      Makes sense. I hadn’t considered this point of view, probably because I have never equated (all) Palestinians with terrorists and I don’t know anyone who does.
      Nevertheless, the anti-Semitic attack didn’t happen in Israel. So, the situation is somewhat different from the Intifada.

      such tactics drive Israel into a stance of uncompromising intransigence that is sure to end in her dissolution. I don’t particularly want to see an Israel that is amenable to compromise. I want her to dig in her heels and refuse to give an inch.
      I understand your feeling. However, a stubborn Israel means that further innocent people will die. And I don’t approve of that.

      • ColinWright on July 19, 2012, 11:13 pm

        “…I understand your feeling. However, a stubborn Israel means that further innocent people will die. And I don’t approve of that…”

        And a ‘reasonable’ Israel just means that the process is only prolonged, and the while the deaths may be spaced over a longer interval of time, there’s no reason to think the total will be reduced. It might be less, it might be greater, it might be about the same — no way of knowing.

        However, dragging it out does mean that manifest injustice, oppression, and misery will last that much longer, that relations between the West and the Islamic world will continue to be poisoned, and that my country in particular will continue to go around with a giant ball and chain fastened to its foreign policy.

        This is definitely a case of ‘the worse the better.’ The more intransigent, unreasonable, and lawless Israel is, the sooner this will be over, and the sooner we can look back at Zionism and go ‘wow — what an incredibly bad idea!’ and start paying attention to real problems.

      • German Lefty on July 20, 2012, 10:57 am

        @ ColinWright:
        Everything you write makes sense. However, the thought that deaths are inevitable is so creepy. Why can’t there be a peaceful solution?

        The more intransigent, unreasonable, and lawless Israel is, the sooner this will be over, and the sooner we can look back at Zionism and go ‘wow — what an incredibly bad idea!’
        My perception is that Zios learnt a lot from the Nazis. The Nazis killed very many people pretty quickly and they were quickly defeated. That’s why the Zios decided to do it more slowly but steadily. This way, the crimes are less obvious and people won’t notice them so quickly. Remember the boiling frog? If a frog is placed in boiling water, it will jump out, but if it is placed in cold water that is slowly heated, it will not perceive the danger and will be cooked to death.

  49. Blake on July 21, 2012, 1:02 pm

    Police struggle to identify Bulgaria bomber

    Authorities work to identify DNA and fingerprints of the suspected bomber after attack that killed Israeli tourists.

    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe/2012/07/20127215815186999.html

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