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A Darmouth foreign policy poll of American attitudes, conducted in May and June, has interesting questions and answers regarding Israel. See Questions 49-52. 

Q 49. A national interests question: 52 percent of Americans think the U.S. depends on Israel to protect “vital interests” in the Middle East. 17 percent don’t believe so.

Q 50: Another national interests question, we’re winning this one: 61 percent of Americans agree that “Current U.S. military, economic and political support for Israel angers many Muslims and makes terrorist attacks against the United States and our interests more likely.” Only 6.9 percent disagree.

And when you shake out Republicans and Democrats, 65 percent of Republicans agree,  61 percent of Democrats.

Q 51. Your congresspeople, are they more favorable to Israel than you are, or less? Democrats say they are more favorable, by 34 percent to 7 percent. (Just as favorable and don’t know: 58 percent). This suggests to me that the Democratic Party is out of step with its base on the issue.

The numbers are almost reversed for Republicans (with large blocs in both parties saying they don’t know or the politicians are just as favorable.)

Q 52: When it comes to influencing U.S. policy toward Israel and the Middle East, do you think that “pro-Israel lobby groups” have too much influence, or too little? Overall, people say too much by 28 percent to 13 percent. And Democrats say, Too much by 38 percent to 7 percent. Republicans are flipflopped (too little: 26 percent, too much, 13.5 percent). Again, a sign that the Democratic base is way to the left of the Democratic Party.

PS Jim Lobe was on to this a month back…

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  1. CloakAndDagger
    July 6, 2012, 10:34 am

    I will be interested to see how this trend progresses in the weeks and months ahead as Israel is exposed in all its glory to the American public, one veil at a time.

    I believe we have reached the tipping point – the pivotal moment in history when Americans take their country back from foreign control.

    Politicians – beware. If you are smart, you will read the tea leaves and start to make amends, or perish in the ensuing tempest.

  2. chinese box
    July 6, 2012, 10:52 am

    If Israel keeps up it’s “bull in a china shop” behavior (and there’s no reason to believe it won’t), it will be exposed eventually. The question is when.

    And I don’t think the Iraq War was particularly helpful to them, since more people have started looking at these issues in it’s aftermath.

    The problem as I see it is how do you reach the “they’ve been fighting each other other for thousands of years [um, no actually *they* haven’t –chinese box], let them kill each other” crowd. The willfully ignorant types who can’t locate I/P on a map are as big a problem as the Zios, IMO.

    • Citizen
      July 6, 2012, 12:21 pm

      Every Christian I know who talks to Jesus daily always brings up the “they’ve been fighting each other forever” thing; they also say, “there’s rotten apples in every barrel,” and no facts I can give them will change their mind: they will support Israel come hell or high water–because the Jesus they talk to every day inside their head told them God wants them to do so. Jews are literally a total abstraction to them, a means to an end, which is the Christian’s pass into heaven.

    • YoungMassJew
      July 6, 2012, 2:16 pm

      Yes I can’t stand these type of people.

    • ColinWright
      July 6, 2012, 2:47 pm

      “If Israel keeps up it’s “bull in a china shop” behavior (and there’s no reason to believe it won’t), it will be exposed eventually. The question is when…”

      Knock on wood. Keep your fingers crossed. It’s for this reason that while others may hope for a more reasonable Israel and desperately seek to discern signs that it’s in the offing, I don’t. Netanyahu, Lieberman, Yishai — may they live long and prosper. Send them all on speaking tours of the US.

  3. Matthew Taylor
    July 6, 2012, 11:46 am

    “Could lead to terrorist attacks” is one thing, but what about recent history? Bin Laden repeatedly said U.S. support for Israeli oppression of Palestinians was his primary motivation for orchestrating the September 11, 2001 attacks. What percentage of Americans know this? What percentage of Americans know anything about the blowback U.S. support for Israeli apartheid has already caused? What would happen if all the data/tapes/files that the U.S. took possession of from Bin Laden’s compound were to be released to the public?

    • Citizen
      July 6, 2012, 12:26 pm

      Matthew Taylor, not much. Personally, I’ve seldom met an American in person who knows or cares anything at all about blowback for our blank check to Israel. In fact, in my 70 years on this earth, I can only think of two people and both are siblings.

    • MLE
      July 6, 2012, 2:00 pm

      Most Americans don’t really care. They swallowed the “Hate us for our freedom” pill hook, line, and sinker and they glaze over when you start talking about the words that actually came from Bin Laden himself.

    • Blake
      July 6, 2012, 2:44 pm

      @ Matthew: A CIA transcript, the last verified words of Bin Laden from a decade ago:
      “I have already said that I am not involved in the 11 September attacks in the United States.”
      “Neither I had any knowledge of these attacks nor I consider the killing of innocent women, children, and other humans as an appreciable act. . Islam strictly forbids causing harm to innocent women, children, and other people. Such a practice is forbidden even in the course of a battle.”

      Only people arrested after 911 were Israelis. How many people now that?

    • Les
      July 6, 2012, 3:10 pm

      What percentage of Americans know their media is under the thumb of the Israel Lobby?

    • ColinWright
      July 6, 2012, 4:50 pm

      “…Bin Laden repeatedly said U.S. support for Israeli oppression of Palestinians was his primary motivation for orchestrating the September 11, 2001 attacks. What percentage of Americans know this? “

      A lot will go into furious denial if you point this out. The enemy has to be utterly vile. His actions can have had no defensible motive.

      Hence, ‘they hate us for our freedom’ and all the rest of it. And all the time, a determined refusal to see the connection between our own actions and the consequent — even if indefensible — response.

      I happen to think that 9/11 having happened, we did have to respond. And we did. I’d have preferred a somewhat different package, but there was going to be a package. No way around that.

      But now it’s ten years later. For better or worse, everyone now knows what we will do. We did it.

      Time to quit throwing the tantrum, look at what we did and are doing, and accept the connection between cause and effect.

    • CountOne
      July 6, 2012, 5:38 pm

      Not sure that’s accurate Matthew. In his 1998 fatwa OBL mentioned Israel, but it was in his third point after US “occupation” of the Arabian Peninsula and the repeated bombing of Iraq military sites after Gulf War 1. No doubt Israel pisses of Salafists, but I’m not aware that OBL ever indicated 9/11 was primarily because of US support for Israel. It was a factor, but not the most important one.

      My question is; “so what?” Why should America alter it’s foreign policy because of sociopaths? Hypothetically speaking, if the US withdraws all support for Israel causing extremist zionists to conduct a similar act of terrorism against the US, should America change policy and beging aiding Israel again?

      Changing any policy because of terrorism is rewarding terrorists. And I think 100% of American’s can understand that.

      • FreddyV
        July 7, 2012, 2:29 am

        I just found a translation of a letter from Bin Laden written in 2002.

        Yes, it does place massive emphasis in US support for Israel (amongst a bunch of other things).

        http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/nov/24/theobserver

        The interesting thing about it is that Bin Laden was eloquent and it’s almost like a mirror image of Zionist arguments as to why Israel should be defended. Quite bizarre that Bin Laden was painted as an anti Christ but Netanyahu can stand up in front of the world spouting the same kind of religious obscurantism and everyone sits and listens.

  4. American
    July 6, 2012, 12:15 pm

    Interesting that pollees say by 49% they pay close attention to foreign policy yet 50% of them mistakenly think the US has a formal Treaty with Israel.
    What this and most polls tell me is a large percentage of people get their opinions from mass media and cable news.

    But it is interesting that 28.1% say the Israel Lobby has too much influence and 36.6% say they’ don’t know’ if it does or not. Educate that 36.6% and you’ve got a huge majority.
    28% is a good number and astounding really when you consider how Israel firsters have such total control over our media and news outlets and the decades old and rentless propagandizing of the public on Israel.

    • CloakAndDagger
      July 6, 2012, 3:25 pm

      You can credit that increasing awareness to the growth of alternate news from the Internet – and it will only improve.

    • Theo
      July 8, 2012, 11:57 am

      I believe as much in polls as I do in the Bible, namely very little.
      Polls can be manupilated by asking people in preferable areas, phrasing text to get the desired answer, etc.
      The facts are that americans as average are just too dumm and uneducated to know or understand what is happening in our country or what our leaders is Washington do. That goes for a great percentage of college educated ones.
      Oh boy, what a great education they got!!!

  5. ColinWright
    July 6, 2012, 5:11 pm

    When one thinks about it, how does the ‘War on Terror’ most directly, tangibly affect the most Americans?

    Why, in those stupid lines, of course. On average, we must each have to go through one of those once a month. I am getting tired of always having to remember to leave my pocket knife at home and having to take off my belt, empty my pockets, etc — and then put it all back again fifteen seconds later. Could we quit?

    Now, get Americans to make the connection between having to do this and our support of Israel — and make them aware that Israel is at best a questionable cause — and we’re home free. They don’t need to be completely converted. Just make them realize that actually, Israel isn’t all that great a guy, and its cause isn’t necessarily self-evidently just, and you’ve got a winner.

    Every time an American has to stand in another one of those stupid lines.

  6. Fredblogs
    July 6, 2012, 8:35 pm

    What that question shows is that people realize that our enemies hate both us and Israel. Which does not answer the question of “should we throw our ally under the bus in the hopes that our mutual enemies won’t still have their main reasons for hating us?” We are not an Islamic Theocracy and yet we are more prosperous than they are. Is the real reason radical Islam is against us.

    • Carowhat
      July 7, 2012, 1:32 am

      “Throw our ally under the bus?”

      Israel has thrown the US under a whole fleet of buses, starting with June 8, 1967 when it tried to sink the USS Liberty. Israel stole enriched uranium, krytron triggers, a room full of our secret documents (which it has never returned). It celebrated when the Twin Towers collapsed (and I don’t just mean the dancing Israelis in New Jersey. I remember one Israeli blogger writing, “Good, now the Americans will know what we go through every day.”) Now Israelis want want us to go fight a war with Iran so they won’t have to. Frankly, there are some allies I could do without.

      • Fredblogs
        July 12, 2012, 4:32 pm

        Yeah, yeah. Friendly fire incident through the eyes of an anti-Semite. Read the sentiment of your comment a hundred times before you wrote it. Still doesn’t stand up to rational thought. There was no reason for an abortive attack on a U.S. ship. Even the paranoid conspiracies at most account for motive for a complete attack on the ship, sinking it and killing all hands. The only reason to start an attack and then stop is realizing in mid attack that they had the wrong ship.

        Also, the dancing Israelis were a myth. Someone made that up. The rest of your post, just paranoia.

      • Citizen
        July 12, 2012, 9:15 pm

        “Findings of the Independent Commission of Inquiry into the Israeli Attack on USS Liberty, the Recall of Military Rescue Support Aircraft while the Ship was Under Attack, and the Subsequent Cover-up by the United States Government

        Capitol Hill, Washington, D.C.

        October 22, 2003

        Admiral Thomas H. Moorer, United States Navy, (Ret.)
        Former Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff

        General Raymond G. Davis, United States Marine Corps, (MOH)*
        Former Assistant Commandant of The Marine Corps

        Rear Admiral Merlin Staring, United States Navy, (Ret.)
        Former Judge Advocate General Of The Navy

        Ambassador James Akins, (Ret.)
        Former United States Ambassador to Saudi Arabia

        We, the undersigned, having undertaken an independent investigation of Israel’s attack on USS Liberty, including eyewitness testimony from surviving crewmembers, a review of naval and other official records, an examination of official statements by the Israeli and American governments, a study of the conclusions of all previous official inquiries, and a consideration of important new evidence and recent statements from individuals having direct knowledge of the attack or the cover up, hereby find the following: **

        1. That on June 8, 1967, after eight hours of aerial surveillance, Israel launched a two-hour air and naval attack against USS Liberty, the world’s most sophisticated intelligence ship, inflicting 34 dead and 173 wounded American servicemen (a casualty rate of seventy percent, in a crew of 294);

        2. That the Israeli air attack lasted approximately 25 minutes, during which time unmarked Israeli aircraft dropped napalm canisters on USS Liberty’s bridge, and fired 30mm cannons and rockets into our ship, causing 821 holes, more than 100 of which were rocket-size; survivors estimate 30 or more sorties were flown over the ship by a minimum of 12 attacking Israeli planes which were jamming all five American emergency radio channels;

        3. That the torpedo boat attack involved not only the firing of torpedoes, but the machine-gunning of Liberty’s firefighters and stretcher-bearers as they struggled to save their ship and crew; the Israeli torpedo boats later returned to machine-gun at close range three of the Liberty’s life rafts that had been lowered into the water by survivors to rescue the most seriously wounded;

        4. That there is compelling evidence that Israel’s attack was a deliberate attempt to destroy an American ship and kill her entire crew; evidence of such intent is supported by statements from Secretary of State Dean Rusk, Undersecretary of State George Ball, former CIA director Richard Helms, former NSA directors Lieutenant General William Odom, USA (Ret.), Admiral Bobby Ray Inman, USN (Ret.), and Marshal Carter; former NSA deputy directors Oliver Kirby and Major General John Morrison, USAF (Ret.); and former Ambassador Dwight Porter, U.S. Ambassador to Lebanon in 1967;

        5. That in attacking USS Liberty, Israel committed acts of murder against American servicemen and an act of war against the United States;

        6. That fearing conflict with Israel, the White House deliberately prevented the U.S. Navy from coming to the defense of USS Liberty by recalling Sixth Fleet military rescue support while the ship was under attack; evidence of the recall of rescue aircraft is supported by statements of Captain Joe Tully, Commanding Officer of the aircraft carrier USS Saratoga, and Rear Admiral Lawrence Geis, the Sixth Fleet carrier division commander, at the time of the attack; never before in American naval history has a rescue mission been cancelled when an American ship was under attack;

        7. That although Liberty was saved from almost certain destruction through the heroic efforts of the ship’s Captain, William L. McGonagle (MOH), and his brave crew, surviving crewmembers were later threatened with “court-martial, imprisonment or worse” if they exposed the truth; and were abandoned by their own government;

        8. That due to the influence of Israel’s powerful supporters in the United States, the White House deliberately covered up the facts of this attack from the American people;

        9. That due to continuing pressure by the pro-Israel lobby in the United States, this attack remains the only serious naval incident that has never been thoroughly investigated by Congress; to this day, no surviving crewmember has been permitted to officially and publicly testify about the attack;

        10. That there has been an official cover-up without precedent in American naval history; the existence of such a cover-up is now supported by statements of Rear Admiral Merlin Staring, USN (Ret.), former Judge Advocate General of the Navy; and Captain Ward Boston, USN, (Ret.), the chief counsel to the Navy’s 1967 Court of Inquiry of Liberty attack;

        11. That the truth about Israel’s attack and subsequent White House cover-up continues to be officially concealed from the American people to the present day and is a national disgrace;

        12. That a danger to our national security exists whenever our elected officials are willing to subordinate American interests to those of any foreign nation, and specifically are unwilling to challenge Israel’s interests when they conflict with American interests; this policy, evidenced by the failure to defend USS Liberty and the subsequent official cover-up of the Israeli attack, endangers the safety of Americans and the security of the United States.

        WHEREUPON, we, the undersigned, in order to fulfill our duty to the brave crew of USS Liberty and to all Americans who are asked to serve in our Armed Forces, hereby call upon the Department of the Navy, the Congress of the United States and the American people to immediately take the following actions:

        FIRST: That a new Court of Inquiry be convened by the Department of the Navy, operating with Congressional oversight, to take public testimony from surviving crewmembers; and to thoroughly investigate the circumstances of the attack on the USS Liberty, with full cooperation from the National Security Agency, the Central Intelligence Agency and the military intelligence services, and to determine Israel’s possible motive in launching said attack on a U.S. naval vessel;

        SECOND: That every appropriate committee of the Congress of the United States investigate the actions of the White House and Defense Department that prevented the rescue of the USS Liberty, thereafter threatened her surviving officers and men if they exposed the truth, and covered up the true circumstances of the attack from the American people; and

        THIRD: That the eighth day of June of every year be proclaimed to be hereafter known as USS LIBERTY REMEMBRANCE DAY, in order to commemorate USS Liberty’s heroic crew; and to educate the American people of the danger to our national security inherent in any passionate attachment of our elected officials for any foreign nation.

        We, the undersigned, hereby affix our hands and seals, this 22nd day of October, 2003.

        Thomas H. Moorer
        Former Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff

        General of Marines Raymond G. Davis, USMC, MOH*>

        Merlin Staring
        Rear Admiral Merlin Staring, USN, Ret.,
        Former Judge Advocate General of the Navy

        James Akins
        Ambassador James Akins, Ret.,
        Former United States Ambassador to Saudi Arabia

        *IN MEMORIAM: General of Marines Raymond G. Davis, one of America’s most decorated military heroes (including the Congressional Medal of Honor), Vice Chairman of this panel and one of the principal members of this Independent Commission of Inquiry, passed away in Conyers, Georgia, on September 3, 2003.>

        ** [1] Captain Ward Boston, USN, JAGC, Ret, the chief Navy attorney for the 1967 U.S. Navy Court of Inquiry into the Israeli attack, has recently come forward to repudiate the Court’s conclusion that the attack was “a case of mistaken identity”. Captain Boston has revealed that all available evidence, in fact, pointed in exactly the opposite direction – that it was a deliberate attack on a clearly identified American ship. In his affidavit dated October 9, 2003, Captain Boston states, “Admiral Kidd and I believed with certainty that this attack, which killed 34 American sailors and injured 173 others, was a deliberate effort to sink an American ship and murder its entire crew. I am certain that the Israeli pilots that undertook the attack, as well as their superiors who had ordered the attack, were aware that the ship was American.” [See Exhibit attached]. Captain Boston stated that he has personal knowledge that Admiral Kidd found the attack to be “a case of mistaken identity” in 1967 only because he was under direct orders to do so by Defense Secretary McNamara and President Johnson.

        [2] Lieutenant Commander David E. Lewis, USS Liberty’s chief intelligence officer (who was severely wounded in the attack) has reported a conversation with Admiral Lawrence R. Geis, the Sixth Fleet carrier division commander, who visited Lewis after he had been medically evacuated by helicopter to the aircraft carrier USS America. According to Lewis, “He (Admiral Geis) said that he wanted somebody to know that we weren’t forgotten” attempts HAD been made to come to our assistance. He said that he had launched a flight of aircraft to come to our assistance, and he had then called Washington. Secretary McNamara came on the line and ordered the recall of the aircraft, which he did. Concurrently he said that since he suspected that they were afraid that there might have been nuclear weapons on board, he reconfigured another flight of aircraft – strictly conventional weaponry – and re-launched it. After the second launch, he again called Washington to let them know what was going on. Again, Secretary McNamara ordered the aircraft recalled. Not understanding why, he requested confirmation of the order; and the next higher in command came on to confirm that “President Johnson…with the instructions that the aircraft were to be returned, that he would not have his allies embarrassed, he didn’t care who was killed or what was done to the ship “words” to that effect. With that, Admiral Geis swore me to secrecy for his lifetime. I had been silent up until I found out from Admiral Moorer that Admiral Geis had passed away” [transcript from NBC’s Liberty Story, aired on national television 1/27/92]. This statement by Commander Lewis has recently been corroborated by Tony Hart, a Navy communications technician stationed at the U.S. Navy Base in Morocco in June, 1967. Mr. Hart connected the telephone conversation between Secretary McNamara and Admiral Geis and stayed on the line to keep them connected. Hart has been recorded as saying that he overheard Admiral Geis refusing McNamara’s order to recall the Sixth Fleet rescue aircraft while the ship was under attack. Mr. Hart reported that McNamara responded, “we are not going to war over a bunch of dead sailors.”

        [3] New evidence of intercepted radio communications between attacking Israeli pilots and the Israeli War Room, recorded by a U.S. Navy EC-121 spy plane, in which the Israeli pilots report seeing Liberty’s American flag flying, has been collected by investigative author James Bamford – for 9 years the Washington Investigative Producer for ABC’s World News Tonight with Peter Jennings (and author of Body of Secrets, which includes a chapter entitled Blood about the attack on USS Liberty). A similar radio message was intercepted by the EC-121 from the Israeli motor torpedo boats. This corroborates statements by surviving crewmembers, by Ambassador Dwight Porter, and by senior National Security Agency officials concerning NSA intercepts of Israeli pilot communications identifying the ship as American.”

        PS: The dancing Israelis were seen by eye witnesses; this data easily found via google.

      • Light
        July 13, 2012, 12:53 am

        Thanks Citizen. Can you post a link to the original document about the Liberty investigation from 2003?

      • Citizen
        July 13, 2012, 5:54 am
      • Citizen
        July 13, 2012, 6:08 am

        Also, Light–here are four articles covering the US mainstream media’s coverage of the findings in the independent Moorer Report: http://ifamericansknew.org/us_ints/ul-articles.html

      • Citizen
        July 13, 2012, 6:27 am

        Finally, Light, here is a 2007 update on the continued mainstream media cover up of the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty in 1967: http://www.counterpunch.org/2007/06/23/usa-today-and-the-uss-liberty/

      • Fredblogs
        July 13, 2012, 3:40 pm

        Paranoid, self-appointed panel set up not by the government but by the participants with the specific goal of finding exactly what they found. A joke to cite them. It’s like citing a panel headed by David Irving to deny the Holocaust. Citing it as proof that the Holocaust didn’t happen that is.

        Meanwhile all of the 6 or 7 different government investigations into it found it to be a friendly fire incident.

        The Israelis were not dancing. That was a lie by a neighbor.

        “On the day of the disaster, three of the five boys went up on the roof of the building where the company office is located,” said Gordon. “I’m not sure if they saw the twin towers collapse, but, in any event, they photographed the ruins right afterwards. One of the neighbors who saw them called the police and claimed they were posing, dancing and laughing, against the background of the burning towers. The five denied dancing. I presume the neighbor was not near them and does not understand Hebrew. Furthermore, the neighbor complained that the cheerful gang on the roof spoke Arabic. As far as I understand it, that neighbor has had previous problems with the company, and she could have been waiting for an opportunity to avenge the owners.”
        http://www.911myths.com/html/dancing_israelis.html

      • Fredblogs
        July 13, 2012, 9:30 pm

        So the group of paranoids who make up the Liberty conspiracy theorists got their 4 most prominent members to sit in a room and hammer out their version of events. It’s PR, not a real investigation.

      • Light
        July 14, 2012, 4:59 pm

        Thanks for the links.

      • Light
        July 14, 2012, 5:04 pm

        Fred, there are too many witnesses to the Libery attack. Your arguments against the Liberty survivors are taken from the Holocaust Deniers handbook.

      • Light
        July 14, 2012, 5:07 pm

        Gee Fred how do you know the Israelis weren’t dancing? Here’s the report from ABC news.

        http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=123885&page=1

    • Blake
      July 7, 2012, 3:13 am

      “Every time anyone says that Israel is our only friend in the Middle East, I can’t help but think that before Israel, we had no enemies in the Middle East.” — John Sheehan, S.J. (a Jesuit priest).

    • Citizen
      July 8, 2012, 9:16 am

      Jealousy, eh, Fredblogs? That’s one of the old explanations for classic European anti-semitism too….

      • Fredblogs
        July 12, 2012, 4:38 pm

        Not so much jealousy as the fact that our prosperity proves that their radical theology, which says that only Islam is the right way to live (not talking moderates here) is false. After all, if Islam is the only right way, why are those heathen Americans doing so well?

        As for European anti-Semitism, it mainly was caused by the fact that Jews aren’t Christians and had different customs. After all, if your religion teaches that Jesus is the only way to get to heaven, how dare those Jews go around and not believe it. The “live and let live” attitude of modern Christianity is a fairly recent innovation in historical terms. Only since the Enlightenment has Christian anti-Semitism begun to die down. To the extent that it has.

      • Citizen
        July 13, 2012, 5:43 am

        Fredblogs, does your explanation for the main cause of European anti-semitism cover peasant revolts too?

  7. MRW
    July 6, 2012, 11:34 pm

    Told you so:

    Q 50: …61 percent of Americans agree that “Current U.S. military, economic and political support for Israel angers many Muslims and makes terrorist attacks against the United States and our interests more likely.” Only 6.9 percent disagree.

    … 65 percent of Republicans agree, 61 percent of Democrats.

    Q 51. Your congresspeople, are they more favorable to Israel than you are, or less? Democrats say they are more favorable, by 34 percent to 7 percent. (Just as favorable and don’t know: 58 percent). This suggests to me that the Democratic Party is out of step with its base on the issue.

    The leadership in DC and NYC are out of touch.

  8. yourstruly
    July 7, 2012, 11:20 am

    the poll results reveal that americans are wary of the special relationship and that, with a bit more information as to the threat that israel’s occupation of palestine poses to national security (as per statements from general david petreaus, among others), the public will see the light and demand an end to our government’s unconditional support for the settler entity. and for attaining this goal nothing could be more effective than exposing these israel firsters for the traitors that they are. what about the concern among some anti-zionists, previously expressed on several mw threads, that because many/most prominent israel firsters are jewish, that exposing them might boost antisemitism? well, that’ll have to be weighed against the doomsday scenario that not taking on israel firsters will bring on, because that’s where we’re headed, should the zionist entity go ahead with its plan to attack iran. but should israel succeed in drawing the u.s. of a. into this war, as the body bags come home, the public’s going to blame the warmongering israel firsters anyway, and for those who fear what exposing israel firster traitors right now might lead to, imagine the wrath of a public awakened to the fact that it’s been had and crystal clear as to who’s to blame? furthermore, while it’s likely that the presence of jewish-americans in the ranks of those who take on these israel firsters will mitigate the scapegoating of jews, not to count on this once israel draws america into an iran war. what it boils down to is we either use the most powerful weapon we have, exposing israel firsters & by so doing prevent an iran war, or we’ll be swept from the stage of history.

    • yourstruly
      July 7, 2012, 2:14 pm

      in other words global antisemitism is a disease caused by israel’s occupation of palestine, the cure for which is ending the occupation, with the exposure of israel firster traitors the key to ending that occupation.

  9. pabelmont
    July 7, 2012, 5:55 pm

    Thanks for mentioning the poll. Nice numbers, showing inter alia the fact that “democracy” in USA is not a matter of public opiniobn (or public good) wherever the oligarchs (and AIPAC among ’em) exercise their coercive power.

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