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Israeli strategy is unsuccessful, just foments hostility by oppressed — Piers Morgan

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Further evidence that the Israeli narrative is falling apart in the U.S. mainstream. Last night CNN’s Piers Morgan hosted Israeli president Shimon Peres, and made Peres look a lot older than his 89 years by repeatedly questioning Peres’s storyline. The clip above contains just one of two or three sallies by Morgan. Here’s that one:

I think the critics would say that this particular strategy has proven over the last few years to be an unsuccessful one, and in fact all it achieves, because of the densely populated nature of the Gaza Strip in particular, it just foments more hostility among the people toward Israel and that in the long term cannot be good for Israel, and that what needs to happen is some way to make to make the people of Gaza feel less oppressed.

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  1. David Doppler on November 20, 2012, 10:32 am

    Dump Likud-Beiteinu. Save Israel. Save the Middle East. Save America.

    • seafoid on November 20, 2012, 10:57 am

      Peres was never Likud. Peres is a left wing sociopath – Labor all the way.

    • Light on November 20, 2012, 11:57 am

      Dump them for whom? 90% of the Israeli Jewish population support their policies.

      • kalithea on November 20, 2012, 1:27 pm


    • Mooser on November 20, 2012, 12:03 pm

      Dave, if you want to make an appeal to Israeli voters, buy an ad in Haaretz.

      Or are you expecting the US to save Israel from itself? At our expense, in so many ways, too.

      Although, I’m sure it’s very possible the Israeli electorate will dump Likud. I mean, there are other, even further right parties in Israel, right?

      “Save America.” Please don’t threaten Americans with Israel’s intransigence.

      Likud is not the basic problem, and you know it.

      • David Doppler on November 20, 2012, 1:57 pm

        In the past, Israeli leaders who pissed off the US government paid a price. We need to see that happen again. America needs to be saved from the impression that its president and Congress need to grovel for the Israelis and their lobby, regardless of how bad their policies.

      • American on November 20, 2012, 6:05 pm

        “America needs to be saved from the impression that its president and Congress need to grovel for the Israelis and their lobby, regardless of how bad their policies”…Doppler

        Unfortunately it not an just a impression, it’s what US gov actually does.
        Yep, some people wanted to make sure Washington loved Israel to death……well it worked, Israel is being loved to death…..all the way to it’s eventual literal death.
        Are you concerned about Israel? An American concerned about America?
        Well here’s where you send your concerns/complaints on both …..
        US Congress toll free – 1-877-762-8762…….just ask for the office of which ever pond scum sob is suppose to be representing you.

      • pabelmont on November 20, 2012, 4:38 pm

        Mooser, I don’t “expect” the USA to save Israel (or Palestine) but no-one could do it better. It would be done by changing the outside conditions of the “game”, and EU and others could help.

        All the USA, UN, EU need do is make significant pressure with the clearly defined goal of either [1] end the occupation, bring everybody home or [2] end the settlements, bring the settlers home
        * * * * * * * *
        and destroy the settlements and wall, share the water equitably, end the blockade, etc. blah blah BUT CLEARLY SPELT OUT
        and then Israel wakes up and says, “There’s the alarm clock, time to wake up and make the donuts”.

        You see, no one ever set the alarm clock yet, and it never went off, and Israel is still enjoying this wet-dream (in this case, dream of uninterrupted wet-work q.v. against Aravim) — albeit a wet-dream which has horrible real-world consequences.

        Don’t expect, but hope and see no other hope. You?

  2. bobsmith on November 20, 2012, 10:37 am

    “Gaza is open” for “producers of death?” President Peres either has trouble staying on message — mixing contrasting talking points — or he is showing signs of dementia.

  3. Reuben_Manhattan on November 20, 2012, 10:49 am

    “We try really not to make their lives difficult”. This old guy thinks hes fooling people?
    Your “try” is not good enough. Get out of the occupation and oppression business, and stick to good business practices. There should be no such thing as “TRYING” not to make anyones life difficult. You should not be involved in their lives period end of discussion.

    Helen Thomas said it best: “Get the hell out of Palestine and leave those people alone!”

    • kalithea on November 20, 2012, 1:29 pm

      BRAVO! Someone gets it.

    • Shingo on November 20, 2012, 5:25 pm

      Yeah. I loved when he claimed that Gaza is “open”. I guess blockade is the new free trade zone as far as Israel is concerned.

      Makes you wonder what they think an open society looks like.

    • Talkback on November 20, 2012, 6:08 pm

      Why should Jews leave Palestine? The problem is not their presence, but that they don’t accept democracy, as long they are a minority.

  4. Ellen on November 20, 2012, 10:51 am

    Isn’t this whole thing a side show from the issue of resources and who owns what? Think the large gas field right off Gaza. Think how British Gas has been negotiating with Tel Aviv on these gas fields.

    The issue of sovereignty over Gaza’s gas fields is crucial. From a legal standpoint, the gas reserves belong to Palestine.

    The death of Yasser Arafat, the election of the Hamas government and the ruin of the Palestinian Authority have enabled Israel to establish de facto control over Gaza’s offshore gas reserves.

    British Gas (BG Group) has been dealing with the Tel Aviv government. In turn, the Hamas government has been bypassed in regards to exploration and development rights over the gas fields.

    More information and maps here:

    And reports of the conflicts around the drilling negotiations with BG.

    The offshore natural gas field discovered in 2000 is valued at around £2 billion and, despite the existence of a deal between the Palestinian Authority and British Gas for its development, the project has been stuck due to the ongoing split between Fatah and Hamas and Israeli objections.

    Actually, the estimates of value stated above are on the really low end.

    And our friend Tony Blair is involved in the negotiations between British Gas and the PLO over the Gaza fields.

    There is a big dynamic here that seems to be off the radar of observers.

    • Ellen on November 20, 2012, 11:30 am

      More thoughts on Energy off Gaza.

      Israel like any country tangles with questions of energy security. Now that Israel and Turkey are not friends anymore, routes and purchase over Turkey present big hurdles.

      Contracts with Egypt are subject to change and now with Gazan gas?

      From an analysis in 2009:

      “1. Gazan gas
      A natural gas deposit off the coast of Gaza owned by British Gas (BG) raised some hopes for a new source of supply. A supply agreement with BG is fraught with political hurdles. First it would entail an agreement with the Hamas government which is likely to continue to control Gaza in the years to come. Even when Israel and Hamas are not actively fighting each other, they do not recognize each other and are not in a position to conclude economic agreements. Israel is also concerned that a gas agreement with the Palestinians would provide Hamas with a steady stream of revenue which could be used to fund the group’s terrorist activities and strengthen its military arm. In the aftermath of the war Israel is likely to be even less inclined to help Hamas fill its coffers. ”

      And from 2009:

      “If the rocket threat is not properly addressed and weapons smuggling via the tunnels under the Egypt-Israel border are not stopped, the countdown to a new round of hostilities will soon begin. This will not only diminish the prospects of Israel becoming an energy corridor but also call into question Israel’s entire energy security strategy which pins its hope on natural gas. ”

      As not only Israel is concerned with secure energy transit through and out of Gaza, this may help explain Western indulgence of Israeli aggression over the Gaza population with claims of self defense.

      As they say, follow the money.

    • Light on November 20, 2012, 12:03 pm

      I am sure that the reason Israel doesn’t let Gazans fish beyond 3 miles is to deny Palestinian claim to the gas fields. This is just a continuation of Israeli government policy of siezing control of all natural resources in Palestine.

  5. Qualtrough on November 20, 2012, 11:15 am

    Something like a 100:1 kill ratio (Israel vs Gazans) with Cast Lead, but the Palestinians are ‘Producers of Death’. You can’t make this stuff up!

  6. Les on November 20, 2012, 12:07 pm

    Was making Abbas irrelevant part of Israel’s grand design? Perhaps he will get serious about getting UN recognition.

    “It’s still too early to sum up Israel’s operation in Gaza, but one can say with certainty that while Hamas may have suffered military blows, it has emerged as the party that Israel is negotiating with; Abbas and his Fatah faction have become irrelevant.”

  7. Theo on November 20, 2012, 1:04 pm

    Peres is repeating the same song that the Hamas started shooting for no reason.
    What makes me real angry that no reporter, neither american, nor any from other nations, have the guts to bring up that Israel is the one who broke the agreement by first shooting a 12 year old boy, then assissinating the Hamas commander right in the middle of the city, also injuring many!!
    Only after that did Hamas open the the fire and let those missiles fly.

  8. kalithea on November 20, 2012, 1:47 pm

    Apparently there is a potential truce happening although I seriously question what Israel means by “calm down” on their side. No doubt Israelis will try to provoke. Hamas have done right to hold their own against the barrage of Israeli force. All people have a right to self-defense no matter how dwarfed their means of defense by the mammoth artillery of the Zionist State in this case. What this demonstrates is that the Goliath theory holds true even when the parties are switched. And ISRAEL IS most definitely GOLIATH in this circumstance. If Hamas acquired laser-driven weaponry then maybe everyone would shut up about their terrorist objective, because no doubt that weaponry would be aimed straight at the IDF. But for now, it’s apparent that Goliath was held at bay by the people of Gaza no matter how the media paints the rocket strategy.

  9. Mndwss on November 20, 2012, 2:07 pm

    Piers Morgan is much to nice to that old idiot.

    He looks half dead, but it is a little to early for: De mortuis nil nisi bonum.

  10. cogit8 on November 20, 2012, 2:24 pm

    Yes Phil, I had a similar reaction while watching Piers Morgan speak his mind in a way that you never hear from the average anchor persons. He interviewed different personalities and gave each the freedom to make their points, but was very persistent in saying ‘look, these [Gaza] people don’t have a life, and you have to see the oppression as being a root cause of their actions, similar to the case of Northern Ireland, where Britain was able to bring peace when no-one would have thought it possible. So it was absolutely refreshing to see Piers knocking the Peres ball out of the park with some very reasonable statements regarding the daily life of Gazans under oppression (as least I think he used “oppression” or “occupation”). I was surprised when I heard it.

    On the other hand, what CNN giveth it taketh away with this morning’s duplicitous Wolf Blitzer and his feable attempt to look even-handed, accusing Iran of supplying the long-range rockets and other military equipment to Hamas. Also sickening was the misleading scrawl under CNN which stated ISRAEL-GAZA DEATH TOLL CLIMBS.

  11. seafoid on November 20, 2012, 3:01 pm

    What is incredible about the Peres video is that he uses the exact same talking points as Regev, the paid shills on the guardian site, the ayalon sociopath from today’s guardian, the settler websites etc. They all speak the same shite.

    It is no wonder Bar Refaeli got b*tchslapped for speaking out of line , hoping everyone was safe.
    Insane discipline or fear of being different on display. But Israel is a totally normal country, OF COURSE.

    And he looks like a Bond character. With those heavy Yiddish r’s. Wagh. Wagh. Teghogh.

    The bit about Gaza being open and the economy improving is straight out of Orwell.
    Or straight outta Compton. Peres is one Crazy muthaf*cka. Crime record worse than Manson when you add all the massacres up.

    • Stone on November 20, 2012, 8:20 pm

      “It is no wonder Bar Refaeli got b*tchslapped for speaking out of line , hoping everyone was safe.”

      I don’t know what you’re talking about. Is this in reference to the TSA incident?

    • jewishgoyim on November 21, 2012, 10:19 am

      “They all speak the same shit.”

      Is that news to you? Ever heard about hasbara?

  12. Kathleen on November 20, 2012, 3:21 pm

    “they started to shoot at the children” As if Israel had not incited the latest riot by killing a Palestinian kid on Nov 8th. As if Israel has not killed thousands of Palestinian children. This inability of Israeli leaders and so much of the Israeli population to feel any empathy towards the Palestinian children who have been murdered is so telling about who they are. Sociopaths

  13. kalithea on November 20, 2012, 4:11 pm

    CNN has their Likud man on the job straight from Jerusalem. Blitzer, Zionist hasbara par excellence, is giving us the play by play according to the “victim card playbook”. And they expect us to take anything they spout seriously? Hardly!

    • Theo on November 21, 2012, 7:36 am

      The readers of MW will not be fooled by old Wolfie, however good 80% of americans, ( my estimate ), will believe every word he says and wish Israel good luck with their murderous attacks!!
      This is an uphill fight and I certainly can understand those soldiers in Korea who had to storm and conquer Hamburger Hill, three times!! Three times, because their idiotic commander ordered them back twice, so they can attack and die again.

  14. HarryLaw on November 20, 2012, 4:14 pm

    Hamas nor British Gas own the Gazan Gas fields they are the resources of the Palestinian people as a whole and hopefully on the 29th of this month the officially recognised state of Palestine by the GA at least, as the occupying Authority the Israelis can only administer those fields in accordance with the rules of usufruct as set out in article 55 of the Hague Regulations 1907. That does not mean the Israelis won’t try to steal them as they tried to steal oil in the Sinai, in that case even the US got on the Israelis case. The coalition had to comply with Resolution 1483 when administrating Iraqi oil and gas, this is what it said inter alia at section…….. 20. Decides that all export sales of petroleum, petroleum products, and
    natural gas from Iraq following the date of the adoption of this resolution shall be
    made consistent with prevailing international market best practices, to be audited by
    independent public accountants reporting to the International Advisory and
    Monitoring Board referred to in paragraph 12 above in order to ensure transparency,
    and decides further that, except as provided in paragraph 21 below, all proceeds
    from such sales shall be deposited into the Development Fund for Iraq until such
    time as an internationally recognized, representative government of Iraq is properly

  15. Keith on November 20, 2012, 5:55 pm

    PHIL- This is your idea of aggressive press criticism? Methinks it was more like Piers Morgan giving Peres the opportunity to respond to some rather bland, generalized criticism. The underlying cause of current hostilities is the siege of Gaza instituted by US/Israel to punish them for electing Hamas, exacerbated by Israeli provocations such as the assassination of Ahmed Al-Jabari designed to provoke a response. Doesn’t Piers Morgan know any of this? Perhaps he should interview Noam Chomsky or Norman Finkelstein to set the record straight. Are you still in Israel? You might want to try to speak to Michel Warschawski concerning S’Derot and those rocket attacks.

  16. Sumud on November 21, 2012, 6:50 am

    Peres is a pathological liar.

    Gaza is open? REALLY? And Piers Morgan just sits there and doesn’t challenge that?!

  17. jewishgoyim on November 21, 2012, 10:09 am

    I think Phil is too optimistic as he is every now and then. I just read 58% of the US people supported the gaza strikes (now this poll may be bogus as one would expect a poll on the subject in the US to be in this context). But it’s hard to see the Israeli narrative is “falling apart”. And this tidbit is certainly no proof of that.

    Are there more demonstrations against the strike in the US? Are there public figures taking stands? No, the USG is more supportive of the strikes than four years ago and from what I’ve seen, the media are more prepared to soften the blow to Israel’s reputation than last time.

  18. American on November 21, 2012, 11:50 am

    “from what I’ve seen, the media are more prepared to soften the blow to Israel’s reputation than last time”…..jewish goyim

    Yea. The media hasn’t changed it’s Pro- Israel slant. What we are seeing in the media is a ‘dog and pony show’ of presenting both sides. This is Israel’s new tactic to prevent the PR disaster of ‘ the 08 Cast Lead assault. Note how even when a pundit ask an Israeli spokesperson about the Hamas& Palestine claims of the Israeli assassinations, assaults, occupation, blockades and so forth being their prime motivation in attacking, resisting, fighting Israel, the I-spokespersons evasions and point blank lies on those points are allowed to stand and be the last word.
    No, nothing has changed in the media, the illusion of both sides being presented is just an illusion. Isr learned something from ’08 and the Goldstone report and they are trying to nip the condemnation in the bud this time as it is happening, not later.

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