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  1. just
    July 5, 2013, 3:47 pm

    She might be “skeptical of religions”, but she is clearly an Islamophobe. Wonder if she knows any Muslims.

    acc to wiki:
    “Oates was born in Lockport, New York. She is the oldest of three children of Carolina (née Bush), a homemaker of Hungarian descent,[7][8] and Frederic James Oates, a tool and die designer.[7][9] She was raised Catholic, but is now an atheist.[10] Her brother, Fred Jr., was born in 1943, and her sister, Lynn Ann, who is severely autistic, was born in 1956.[7] Oates grew up in the working-class farming community of Millersport, New York,[11] and characterized hers as “a happy, close-knit and unextraordinary family for our time, place and economic status”.[7] Her paternal grandmother, Blanche Woodside, lived with the family and was “very close” to Joyce.[11] After Blanche’s death, Joyce learned that Blanche’s father had killed himself and Blanche had subsequently concealed her Jewish heritage; Oates eventually drew on aspects of her grandmother’s life in writing the novel The Gravedigger’s Daughter (2007).[11]”

    She’s a good author, and has idiotic views wrt Egypt, etc. Oh well, perhaps the tweets she received in response will educate or at least stifle her. (they were pretty good!)

  2. DaveS
    July 5, 2013, 4:01 pm

    I just did a quick search on rape rates in Egypt and came up with this:

    The UN Office on Drugs and Crime compiles rape statistics from countries around the world. We used their most recent numbers to create the map displayed above, which shows the number of rapes reported to police per 100,000 inhabitants. According to the UN data, the country with the highest rate of reported rapes is Botswana (92.9), while the country with the lowest rate is Egypt (0.1).

    What information was Oates relying on? And Joyce: The epidemic of rape in India has been a big topic the past couple of years, and what is its predominant religion? Whoops.

    Also, more than half the world’s Muslims live in Indonesia, Pakistan, Bangladesh, and Turkey, and each of these four countries has elected a woman head of government, something the US has not managed to do.

    Public pronouncements about the correlation between certain religions and rape rates requires a bit more space than a tweet allows. Oates seems to be a graduate of the Bill Maher School of Religion: I don’t like any of them, but Islam is the worst.

    • just
      July 5, 2013, 4:11 pm

      Pitch perfect, David– with facts as well.

    • American
      July 5, 2013, 5:09 pm

      @ Samel

      Obviously she didnt bother to research her claims.
      She just wanted to demonize Islam so she lied.

      Maybe she’s fallen on hard times and took a job with Israel Hasbara at Zio, Inc.
      Cant be too bright to tweet out a lie about something that is so easily checked.

    • Woody Tanaka
      Woody Tanaka
      July 5, 2013, 5:16 pm

      “What information was Oates relying on?”

      Why on the fact that they are audaciously Muslim, of course. What use is statistics and reason and learning and science when we can simply rely on Joyce Carol Oates’s prejudice.

    • Walid
      July 6, 2013, 12:06 am

      Thanks for the facts, David.

    • Marco
      July 6, 2013, 2:58 am

      The same holds true for India. India has become the subject of intense coverage for some high-profile rapes, but the statistics available say that the country does not have an unusually high incidence of this crime at all. Or indeed of *any* violent crime whatsoever.

      Likewise in Egypt this could be an issue of under-reporting, but the onus is upon the accuser to substantiate their accusation. As it is, neither Hindu majority India nor Muslim dominant Egypt suffers from high rape rates by international standards, despite what the press may have us believe.

    • Sumud
      July 7, 2013, 11:28 am

      What information was Oates relying on?

      Indeed, sounds like “information” one of the nutjob zionists like fake-Objectivist Pamela Geller would fabricate.

      Oates might be interested to know many muslims are shocked and offended by the extreme sexual objectification of women in western culture(s).

  3. seafoid
    July 5, 2013, 4:11 pm

    JCO writes an incredible number of books each year, She needs to get out more.

  4. annie
    July 5, 2013, 4:32 pm

    i just tweeted her and asked if she thought it was ‘natural’ to ascribe the torture of children to judaism

    • Citizen
      July 5, 2013, 5:31 pm

      Read the latest tweets. She defended herself by saying, in effect, all religions were a factor in something like a bunch of rapes. She was informed under latest UN study Botswana was #1 in rapes, Egypt at the bottom of the list. She was also tweeted that she should preface her tweets in this area that she thought so, making it generic in her atheist belief system, instead of tweeting selectively, in this case blaming Islam.
      I guess she’s knew in dealing with reality.

    • mcohen
      July 5, 2013, 7:04 pm

      Wow annie
      a blog ,a tweet,an urgent bleat

    • seafoid
      July 7, 2013, 2:12 am

      Great work, Annie

      Here is more tweet fodder

      “One of the “enhanced interrogation techniques” employed by United States government agents at Guantánamo has been the threat of rape. See David Cole, “ What To Do About Guantánamo?,” The New York Review, October 14, 2010. ”

      Rape is ALWAYS about power.

  5. Reds
    July 5, 2013, 5:05 pm

    Popeye would be shocked as to what olive has become.

  6. eGuard
    July 5, 2013, 5:21 pm

    Oates tweet: [So] “Rape culture” has no relationship to any “religious culture” [?] (question mark added, to read the cynicism).

    My response: not too fast, Oates. Your very first tweet says: –Egypt–natural to inquire: what’s the predominant religion?. So you specified the religion. Only late you crawl back to say “any” religion?

  7. American
    July 5, 2013, 5:27 pm

    I am too lazy and dont have time right now to look this up but from when I read the Koran eons ago I seem to remember it had quite a few moral clauses about how women were to be treated.
    Something about if a man has sex with virgin he has to marry her and then something about he is obligated to take in or care for the widow of his brother or his widowed sisters and something else about how female children were to be given an equal portion of a family inhertance same as sons.
    Might have been some squirrely stuff in it, I dont remember anything specific –my over all impresson to best of memory was that a lot of it was pretty ‘progressive’ and moral for the times it was written in.

    • seafoid
      July 7, 2013, 1:55 am

      I think most of those religious reference books have a high dose of pragmatism. Too much nihilism is bad for the survival prospects of any cult. The problem comes when later generations interpret them. If you get a Judge Scalia type analysing the words they can spin it as they wish. That’s one of the real sad things about the Zionist abuse of the Torah.

      They should have run it on the basis of Leviticus 19:33/34

      ” When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. 34 The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the Lord your God.”

      That is very perceptive for the Bronze age. Probably the fruit of bitter experience.

  8. Krauss
    July 5, 2013, 5:37 pm

    Is she part of the Richard Dawkins fan club yet or not?

    • seafoid
      July 7, 2013, 2:08 am

      One of the tweets above

      “What about the epidemic of rape in the US military? Is that a Christian problem?”

      And virtually nobody in the US wants to talk about prison rape

      ” Finally, in January, the Justice Department published its first plausible estimates. In 2008, it now says, more than 216,600 people were sexually abused in prisons and jails and, in the case of at least 17,100 of them, in juvenile detention. Overall, that’s almost six hundred people a day—twenty-five an hour.”

      Joyce Carol Oates’ readers don’t stay in prison so it doesn’t matter.

      Have to say I have lost a lot of respect for her over this. She may be a prodigious intellectual talent but she really lost the plot on this.

  9. American
    July 5, 2013, 6:03 pm

    I tell you what, this is all getting more depressing every day….just look at how this ‘practice’ of condemning and demonizing whole religions and groups instead of going for the individual cretins behind the problems is spreading…and what is even more orwell about it is how the very people doing this demonizing are racist turds themselves.
    It will not surprise me if the world has a complete mental breakdown one day and we dont just all kill each other off.

  10. TC1995
    July 6, 2013, 12:27 am

    Her defense of the original tweet is basically that she isn’t specifically calling out Islam. She implies she was really referring to religious impact on behavior in general.

    That makes zero sense to me, because she didn’t say “is Egypt a predominantly religious state?” or anything like that. She specifically called out Islam, implying it wasn’t necessarily religion in general, but Islam that fuels the sexual harassment issues.

    Basically, her backtracking is actually contradictory to what her original tweet said.

  11. richb
    July 6, 2013, 12:31 am

    Consider this storify concerning Mona Eltahawy. I’m sensing some misogyny. Ali Abunimah is creating the category of Islamophobe Arabs. Sounds like the nonsensical category of self-hating Jews to me. Feminists like Shelby Knox are noticing this too.

  12. Nevada Ned
    Nevada Ned
    July 6, 2013, 12:41 am

    Former Israeli President Moshe Katsav has been in jail since 2011, serving a seven-year sentence for raping female members of his staff.
    His religion? Judaism.

    Former Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi was convicted last month of statutory rape, sex with an underage prostitute, and sentenced to seven years in prison.
    His religion? Roman Catholic.

    I have serious reservations about official statistics about the incidence of rape, because the crime is often not reported to the police, in the US or anywhere else.

  13. thankgodimatheist
    July 6, 2013, 12:50 am

    India where the dominant religion is not Islam has very high rates of sexual harassment.

  14. seafoid
    July 6, 2013, 6:03 am

    Elite opinion formers buttress the memes that keep the system as it is.
    Quelle surprise.

  15. richb
    July 6, 2013, 10:46 am

    Note that I am not defending Oates here. But I am seeing a strong undercurrent of misogyny in the debate. Fighting Islamophobia and supporting feminism need not be mutually exclusive. It’s also ironic that the demonstrations show a strong desire amongst the Egyptian people for a secular, democratic state and not continue to have false choices between authoritarian rule and political Islam. This is not unlike the false choice in Palestine between political Islam and political Judaism, aka Zionism.

  16. richb
    July 6, 2013, 2:22 pm

    A more balanced response on the (very real) epidemic of sexual violence in Egypt.

  17. Xpat
    July 6, 2013, 11:55 pm

    Football fans behead referee on the pitch at a public game after the referee stabs to death a player.
    This happened in Brazil today.
    Imagine what the MSM would have made of that if this had happened in Egypt or other Arab country. But, in the case of Brazil, this is just an unfortunate extreme example of Brazil’s well-known passion for football.

    • annie
      July 7, 2013, 12:15 am

      Reports said that outraged spectators responded by running on to the field and stoning Da Silva, before severing his head and sticking it on a stake in the middle of the field.

      ouch. what would Joyce Carol Oates say?

      Brazil faces mounting pressure to show it is a safe place for tourists before 12 cities host the 2014 World Cup and Rio de Janeiro the Olympics in 2016.

      it’s not just the tourists i’d be worried about. brazil is a very big country. just how remote is the area this happened? these sports fans. i recall an incident a few years back when a player was killed for loosing. was that in south america also?

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