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The national vice chairman of the Zionist Organization of America last week accused the group of “weakness and cowardice” because it sent him an email asking him to make clear that his views in support of rightwing Rabbi Meir Kahane were his own and not the organization’s.

Steven Goldberg, national vice chairman of the Zionist Organization of America, gave a talk a week ago at a Sherman Oaks, CA, women’s organization about the late Rabbi Meir Kahane, titled, “Why Israel and the Jewish people need another Kahane now.”

I got a recording of the speech, and the thrust of it was that Kahane’s proposed solution of expelling Palestinians from Israel and Palestine to Jordan was a “humane” solution, and many countries had pursued such policies. Kahane, who was killed in 1990, was not wracked by guilt over Jews’ use of force, Goldberg said, and the Israeli government and American Jewish organizations were ignoring his wisdom by urging a two-state solution when the entire land belongs to Israel.

Goldberg, an LA lawyer, began his talk by showing a video of what he described as Palestinian attacks on religious Jews in Jerusalem– “something you would have seen in Germany in the 1930s”. 

Something is deeply ill in the Jewish world when that’s allowed to happen. And I believe that’s a key theme, and something that Meir Kahane attempted to stop and prevent. Let’s go further….. One of the problems is the American Jewish establishment. The leaders of the organizations that exist now that also existed in the 1930s and 1940s. And I’m going to give you one that makes me sad to do because it’s an organization I’m a part of. I’m the national vice chairman of the Zionist Organization of America, ZOA, which I typically consider to be correct and right and principled on most issues.

When they found out I was speaking about Meir Kahane, I got this email. “We’re aware of your upcoming public address. Please stress that your remarks are your own, you are not delivering them in your role as an officer of the ZOA and the content of your speech does not reflect the official opinions of the Zionist Organization of America.”

[Member of the audience:] “Time to quit.”

Patient. That’s also– and I’m going to get back to that topic, which Rabbi Kahane was trying to correct and address, which was the weakness and cowardice of the American Jewish establishment.

Goldberg has battled the ZOA before, over the firing of an LA staffer. 

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  1. DICKERSON3870
    DICKERSON3870
    August 16, 2013, 11:10 am

    RE: “I’m the national vice chairman of the Zionist Organization of America, ZOA, which I typically consider to be correct and right and principled on most issues.” ~ LA lawyer Steven Goldberg

    MY COMMENT: I consider the Zionist Organization of America (ZOA) to be a subversive organization. It is subversive to both the U.S. and to Israel!
    Given that it is subversive, they do not want their members to attract attention by doing things like giving talks in public on someone who was as extreme as Meir Kahane.

  2. Woody Tanaka
    Woody Tanaka
    August 16, 2013, 11:16 am

    Mr. Kahane was a typical thug; a Hitler who never gained power. But his fascist ideas are still at the core of this whole evil enterprise of zionism. Mr. Goldberg is a cheerleader for evil, but at least he proadly wears his swastika on his sleeve, while groups like the ZOA pretendit’s not on their arms, too.

  3. seafoid
    seafoid
    August 16, 2013, 11:24 am

    Kahane seems to me to be the Jewish equivalent of Sayyid Qutb. They were both extremists who were killed for their views but whose Weltanschauungs live on.

  4. irmep
    irmep
    August 16, 2013, 11:26 am

    Goldberg doesn’t appear to know very much about the ZOA’s history. Two of its high executives, Zalman Shapiro and Ivan Novick, delivered enough stolen US weapons-grade uranium for Israel to irradiate the planet (or perhaps create a nuclear winter).

    Perhaps he needs some of these slides: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlPsC8sOmRA

    ZOA’s made its bones.

  5. Sumud
    Sumud
    August 16, 2013, 11:36 am

    Remarkably stupid person to not see the parallels between what he advocates and what the nazis did to jews in pre-WW2 Germany.

    • American
      American
      August 16, 2013, 1:56 pm

      ‘Sumud says:
      August 16, 2013 at 11:36 am
      Remarkably stupid person to not see the parallels between what he advocates and what the nazis did to jews ”>>>>

      Even more stupid that they do not grasp the Self Fulfilling Prophecy in their Zionism.

      ”The self-fulfilling prophecy is, in the beginning, a false definition of the situation evoking a new behaviour which makes the original false conception come ‘true’. This specious validity of the self-fulfilling prophecy perpetuates a reign of error. For the prophet will cite the actual course of events as proof that he was right from the very beginning.[1]
      In other words, a positive or negative prophecy, strongly held belief, or delusion—declared as truth when it is actually false—may sufficiently influence people so that their reactions ultimately fulfill the once-false prophecy.”

      This is exactly what they doing with their false premises. Under the additional delusion they can make others ‘surrender’ to their will. When that doesnt happen, well then, they will tell themselves they were right all along, that the world was ‘out to get them’, not admit that they went against the others first and so provoked their rejection and response.
      So what you do with zionist like this– which is really what do you do with Israel?….when there is no real leadership anywhere that will pubically call out zionism as the delusional cult that it is..
      Sun Tzu art of war says…”Pretend inferiority and encourage his arrogance”.
      Which is letting them hang themselves…problem with that is who else are they gonna hang along with them.

  6. piotr
    piotr
    August 16, 2013, 11:52 am

    This is really a spat on the far side of the Moon from our perspective. To me, ZOA is already an extremist organization, but there are still differences between those who have a tenuous hold on reality and those who are 100% in la-la land.

    In particular, in what sense Israel is lacking “Kahane today”? Only in insufficient personal praise of the late Rabbi.

    • seanmcbride
      seanmcbride
      August 16, 2013, 12:26 pm

      The mistake is in assuming that there any significant differences between Kahanism and liberal Zionism — all forms of Zionism eventually lead to the same destination and the same catastrophic American policies in the Mideast.

      Once you buy into the program of building a discriminatory Jewish state by force in the Mideast based on biblical ethnic and religious nationalism, you are looking at a certain apocalyptic blowup down the line that will polarize the world into violently competing cultural camps.

      Neoliberals and liberal Zionists in the Democratic Party have been far more effective in pushing forward the entire neocon-concocted Global War on Terror and Clash of Civilizations narratives than Kahanists. They are more clever, more subtle and more deceptive than Kahanists in packaging their program. Meir Kahane at least had the virtue being a straight shooter — he didn’t play games or pretend to be what he wasn’t.

      Liberal Zionist Madeleine Albright remarked that the deaths of hundreds of thousands Iraqi children caused by American policies were “worth it.” Liberal Zionist Hillary Clinton has threatened to “totally obliterate” Iran. Kahane is worse?

      Note:

      On May 12, 1996, Albright defended UN sanctions against Iraq on a 60 Minutes segment in which Lesley Stahl asked her “We have heard that half a million children have died. I mean, that’s more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?” and Albright replied “we think the price is worth it.”

  7. Krauss
    Krauss
    August 16, 2013, 12:17 pm

    So he was giving a talk about the necessity of ethnic cleansing to a women’s group?

    • piotr
      piotr
      August 16, 2013, 3:15 pm

      Krauss, totally wrong here!

      Sherman Oaks Woman’s Club
      1.0 star rating (of 5.0 stars possible)
      1 review

      Category: Event Planning & Services Venues & Event Spaces Venues & Event Spaces [Edit]

      Synopsis of the review: do not rent that place for events!. I tripped at the entrance and after 2 years they still did not give me money for my MRI.

    • RoHa
      RoHa
      August 17, 2013, 12:53 am

      “So he was giving a talk about the necessity of ethnic cleansing to a women’s group?”

      And why not? Women have as much right to indulge in ethnic cleansing as men do.

  8. Don
    Don
    August 16, 2013, 12:24 pm

    “Steven M. Goldberg, Esq. was counsel to the Jewish Defense League when it was still active. He will discuss Rabbi Kahane’s legacy and whether the Jewish people need the movement he started to be revived.”

    From Phil”s link above…
    http://www.cjhsla.org/2013/07/20/event-meir-kahane-a-retrospective-august-8-2013/

    http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2002&dat=19920308&id=XLgiAAAAIBAJ&sjid=MbUFAAAAIBAJ&pg=4713,1444667

    And this is rather interesting…
    Jeffery Goldberg Was a Follower of Meir Kahane – by Richard Silverstein
    http://www.tikkun.org/tikkundaily/2012/11/05/jeffrey-goldberg-was-meir-kahane-hasid/

    • gingershot
      gingershot
      August 16, 2013, 6:04 pm

      Here’s Jeffrey Goldberg (Atlantic, Bloomberg) from Richard Silverstein’s article ‘Jeffery Goldberg Was a Follower of Meir Kahane’ above:

      ‘Soon enough I came across the writings of Meir Kahane, on a high shelf, and it was Kahane who provided a not un-Panther-like but specifically Semitic model of self-defense. Kahane was the Brooklyn rabbi who founded the Jewish Defense League in 1968 to shake Jews out of their fatalistic and feminized passivity. He argued, infamously, in favor of the bat, the bomb, and the gun. (“Every Jew a .22,” he said, to the shame and horror of the Manhattan Jewish elite and to the secret joy of every beaten-down Jewboy in the tristate area.) . . .But for a time he held all the answers for me. In the locker room, I was a kike, but in the sanctuary of the library, I was a revolutionary kike, one of Kahane’schayas, a beast, a street-fighting Jew.’

      Quite the Inglorious Basterd…

      • James Canning
        James Canning
        August 17, 2013, 4:01 pm

        Jews were too “passive”? Ludicrous.

  9. James Canning
    James Canning
    August 16, 2013, 1:50 pm

    May one assume Netanyahu in fact hopes for an excuse for Israel to drive, or try to drive, hundreds of thousands of non-Jews out of the West Bank?

  10. justicewillprevail
    justicewillprevail
    August 16, 2013, 2:14 pm

    If he talks like a fascist, walks like one, and acts like one, then he is one. Fascists love the rhetoric of ‘strength’ and power, and despise the ‘weakness’ of those who have the slightest of reservations about the ‘true path’ of violence, ethnic cleansing and racial/ethnic superiority.

  11. Doris
    Doris
    August 16, 2013, 2:46 pm

    Steven Goldberg spoke on Rabbi Meir Kahane at the request of my organization, Children of Jewish Holocaust Survivors http://www.cjhsla.org. It is clear that the venue for the talk is called the Sherman Oaks Woman’s Club and is not hosting the talk. You also seem to imply that you got hold of the recording of the event as if it is intentionally hidden. As a matter of fact the entire presentation is available for all to see on YouTube here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4uOCQji7UE&feature=c4-overview&list=UURy0IuyalxOVMs4LAbC995Q.

    • Ecru
      Ecru
      August 19, 2013, 4:38 pm

      So the thing you took from your parents experiences was to emulate the sodding guards? Does your little club come with a uniform by any chance? One with a brown shirt and a funny little armband?

    • Ecru
      Ecru
      August 19, 2013, 5:09 pm

      And I’ve just read what I assume is your piece on the “Peace Process” (aka Jewish Land-Grab Process), oh how lovely – your aim is to “educate” is it? Then why do you tell so many LIES?

      “In the 1930s, Jews in Europe were forbidden to attend schools, play in the parks, go shopping and do business.”

      In Europe? What ALL of it? Ireland? The UK? France? Or just Germany? Go on, back up your statement that Jews in the UK were subject to the restrictions you list. But I can tell you where similar things are happening today – ISRAEL. You’re just doing it to the Palestinians. But it’s alright we all know it’s only a crime when a Jew’s the victim.

      “Then Jews were told that they had to leave their homes and move into restricted areas or ghettos”

      Oooh how terrible. And again all throughout Europe. Where exactly were these ghettoes, specifically outside any area controlled by Germany? And you’ve got some gall complaining about them considering Israeli Jews are doing exactly that to Palestinians today. By people like you as it happens. How come it’s only bad when it happens to Jews?

      “..the historical rights of the Jewish people to Israel/Palestine..”

      What “historical rights?” And what about the rights of the people actually already living there? The Palestinians? They’d only been there since the BRONZE AGE!

      “The Jews said, “It’s not fair, but we’ll take what we can get.” The Arabs said, “No, we want it all.” ‘

      No what the Jews said was “we’ll take it for now until we can manufacture an excuse to take more” (which they did) the Arabs (the MAJORITY population btw – so much for Zionist attachment to democracy) said no we want a multi-ethnic state, not one built on racism and ideas of supremacy. Of course people like you couldn’t have the untermensch feeling equal to the “Chosen People” so they had to go. 750,000 of them expelled for not being the Ubermensch of the Jewish Fatherland.

      “We will rename ourselves, invent a people, a land and a history where none had existed.”

      So why was there already a Palestinian Nationalist movement BEFORE 1948? How come there are maps that clearly state “Palestine” And history? Please. Palestinian history goes back millennia.

      Honestly I could go on but your self-righteous bigotry based on the EXCUSE of the Holocaust makes is nauseating, and your deliberate errors, half-truths and outright lies are just too tiring for words.

  12. gingershot
    gingershot
    August 16, 2013, 5:56 pm

    Steven Goldberg: “Why Israel and the Jewish people need another Kahane now.”

    Has anybody forwarded this quote to that champion of human rights, the ADL’s Abe Foxman?

    When can we anticipate some choice words from Mr Foxman regarding this fascist?

    I’m actually serious.

  13. Nevada Ned
    Nevada Ned
    August 17, 2013, 7:16 am

    Meir Kahane once gave an interview to Playboy magazine, in which he described himself as a “fascist”. I don’t remember the year and month of the magazine, so clearly research needs to be conducted to discover it. I am firmly convinced that this is the kind of library research for which there will be many eager volunteers, especially from young men.

    • seanmcbride
      seanmcbride
      August 17, 2013, 11:30 am

      Nevada Ned,

      Here’s the 1972 Playboy interview with Kahane:

      http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Soc/soc.culture.jewish/2007-11/msg00181.html

      I don’t see where he describes himself as a fascist here (but he did express fascist views, in my opinion, in the tradition of Avraham Stern and Ze’ev Jabotinsky).

      You know, Kahane could be quite articulate and even eloquent — for instance:

      PLAYBOY: Well, isn’t that knee-jerk Jewishness? Isn’t there something odd about your calling on the Jewish people, who have won admiration for their universal outlook, to revert to a kind of tribal separatism?

      KAHANE: Universality is beautiful, no question about it. Universality is beautiful when each and every group has a deep respect for itself and can deal with other groups on mutually respectful terms. Then we can move together. Isaiah speaks of “the end of days,” a time when all the nations will worship together. That’s certainly the ultimate goal for Jews. But the prophets also speak of the need for Jews to observe the Sabbath, observe the laws. The way to reach universality is to make of yourself an individual with pride in self; then you can extend your hand with confidence to other people and say, “I am what I am and you are what you are. Now, let’s walk together to the common end.”

      He had a certain gift as an orator — but so too did Hitler and Mussolini.

      When you look deeply into the subject, you realize that there really are no significant differences between Kahanism and mainstream Zionism (even liberal Zionism).

      (By the way, this “research” took 10 seconds.)

  14. breakingthesilence
    breakingthesilence
    August 17, 2013, 4:40 pm

    Doris, what was the response from members of your organization when they realized he was talking about expelling the rest of the Palestinian population to Jordan or somewhere else? Did anyone suggest it sounded like just the sort of thing that Hitler did in Germany to “non-Aryans”? Were his remarks acceptable to most of your members? Was there enthusiasm for the ethnic cleansing of the rest of Palestine? Did you folks have any follow-up conversations among yourselves? Are you yourself comfortable with the notion that all that land somehow is rightfully the property of the Jewish people?

    • Doris
      Doris
      August 19, 2013, 5:48 pm

      The audience was thrilled to hear Steve Goldberg’s description of Kahane and his plan to complete the mutual exchange of populations that started in 1948 between Israel and the surrounding Arab states. History shows that transfer is often the humane option and saves lives, as with India and Pakistan. Most Jews are too cowed by political correctness to admit it, but there is widespread admiration for Kahane among the Jewish people and a profound need for someone to pick up where Kahane left off. And yes, I am confident that the entire land of Israel, from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea, belongs to the Jewish State according to the international law, including the British Mandate of Palestine adopted by the League of Nations in 1922 and incorporated into the United Nations Charter under article 80.

  15. irishmoses
    irishmoses
    August 19, 2013, 1:59 am

    Sean McBride said:
    “Meir Kahane at least had the virtue being a straight shooter — he didn’t play games or pretend to be what he wasn’t.”

    Kahane came out of Jabotinsky and Likud/Netanyahu all follow that playbook while intentionally trying to disguise it. It basically says that if you want a Jewish homeland you need to face up to the fact that you must steal it from the Arabs. A must read is Jabotinsky’s “Iron Wall” essay.

    As to Jeffrey Goldberg’s Jewish “feminized passivity” and his admiration for Kahane’s Jewish defense approach, that too came out of Jabotinsky who formed the first Jewish defense forces in Russia after the 1903 pogroms began. Leon Uris’ first novel, “Battle Cry” had a major Jewish character who literally took on his entire company in a series of fist fights in an epic battle against their antisemitism. It is a common theme.

    • seanmcbride
      seanmcbride
      August 19, 2013, 1:46 pm

      IrishMoses,

      I understand where that theme comes from and what motivates it — and I am somewhat sympathetic to it. People who have been systematically abused for long periods of time would not be human if they didn’t feel the urge and imperative to fight back and punish their abusers — to stand their ground and protect themselves, their loved ones and their dignity.

      But a problem arises when that understandable will to fight for self-preservation spills over into behaving abusively to others who don’t deserve the abuse.

      (Refresh my memory: are you the author of a novel on these issues? Was it someone else?)

    • James Canning
      James Canning
      August 19, 2013, 2:17 pm

      Interesting thing for me is that the theft has succeeded. But insane effort to “consolidate and protect” the theft is undermining what should easily be totally secure.

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