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adsThe other day we reported that the Boston transit authority had pulled down ads  demonstrating the loss of Palestinian lands to Israel since the creation of the Jewish state. Well, the Massachusetts Bay Transportation authority (MBTA) has been shamed for censorship, and is putting the ads back up.

In Lisa Wangsness and Martine Powers’s reporting for the Boston Globe, notice how little was required to cause the outdoor advertising agency to censor the ads– from the evidence, just a call from the Anti-Defamation League, which was then informed the ads were coming down. “There was a breakdown in our established procedures for handling complaints about specific ads,” the MBTA sheepishly told the Globe.

The MBTA said Friday morning that all 80 posters had been taken down Wednesday and Thursday, just a few days after being posted. The transit agency said its advertising contractor, Titan, made the decision.

“The MBTA informed Titan of the complaints and Titan decided to remove the ad,” said Joe Pesaturo, spokesman for the agency….

Robert Trestan, New England regional director of the Anti-Defamation League, said his group had informed the MBTA about the numerous complaints it had received about the ads. He said the ADL did not ask the T to remove the ads, but the agency told the ADL that the ads were coming down.

Trestan was sharply critical of the ads’ content.

“The billboards are intentionally designed to mislead the public, and they are part of an ongoing anti-Israel campaign that distorts the issues by oversimplifying the facts around the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.”..

Jewish Voice for Peace stood up for the ads, and so did the ACLU. The JVP statement reads in part:

“As Palestinians lose land, they also lose their homes, villages, freedom of movement, and access to basic resources like farmland and water. We must acknowledge the reality in these maps in order to create justice, equality, and security for Palestinians and Israelis.”

And the Globe talked to the ACLU:

Sarah Wunsch, a staff attorney with the American Civil Liberties Union of Massachusetts who has worked on previous cases in which the ACLU has successfully sued the MBTA for blocking ads, said removing the ads amounted to “pure censorship of political speech.” She praised the transit system for changing course.

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  1. just
    just
    October 27, 2013, 2:14 pm

    Well, no surprise there at all.

    Seems that the ADL is losing its punch. That’s very welcome news.

    • October 29, 2013, 2:51 am

      the ads are way to weak! they don’t say israel stole the land. it just says palestine lost it with the inference it was israel. not good to me but, i guess, better than nothing.

  2. pabelmont
    pabelmont
    October 27, 2013, 2:14 pm

    Glad the ads are back up, or will be soon. Isn’t it a shame that the ad-agency guy, who could SEE the ads, didn’t know they were anti-Israel until the phone calls tol him they were. And I wonder if he could have got away with preventing the ads if he’d refused them from the beginning, before they went up.

  3. irmep
    irmep
    October 27, 2013, 2:55 pm

    It’s good to see the ADL pulled out into the light of day.

    In reading decades of FBI records about the group’s (often illegal) tactics, the only thing that seemed to have a positive impact was widespread publicity.

    When the ADL went after Senator Rufus Holman, he could not find any venue to clear his name after they smeared his reelection campaign and boycotted his business. The FBI was reluctant to do anything since the head of the Portland FBI office carried David Robinson, head of the ADL Oregon office, as Confidential Informant #7 “on the Bureau’s records…. A toxic mix for impunity.

    http://irmep.org/ila/adl/

  4. traintosiberia
    traintosiberia
    October 27, 2013, 3:11 pm

    Robert Trestan, New England regional director of the Anti-Defamation League, said his group had informed the MBTA about the numerous complaints it had received about the ads. He said the ADL did not ask the T to remove the ads, but the agency told the ADL that the ads were coming down

    Yes. You are right. Why they heck do they complain to your organization? Tell them that this is about a historical conflict, you are partisan to one group and then recuse yourself.
    Did someone complain to you about the bus journey ,through the serene countryside and school district , of violent porn from Geller and did you call them to remove the ads?

    Trestan was sharply critical of the ads’ content.

    “The billboards are intentionally designed to mislead the public, and they are part of an ongoing anti-Israel campaign that distorts the issues by oversimplifying the facts around the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.”..

    Another kicker -from ADL.
    All year round one hears the misleading statements from the pundit,honchos,expert,analyst ,and the moderator and the host on the TV,radios,and town hall meetings in election cycles that we need to attack Iran, bomb Iran,or put more sanctions on Iran .There was no daylight among the them .There was no daylight among them on Park 51 or on Iraq war . Did you ever bother to remind those very people that they were misleading the public and continues to do so , did you tell them out in the open that the tension around Iraq or Iran were being simplified and reduced to vacuous talking point with potential for proven deadly results? Did you them to shut up or ask the media not to offer space them for the US Iran or US Iraq conflicts since the issues have been hijacked by a totally irrelevant external factor known as Israeli interests and American wont get the bang for the buck soaked in blood and waste.?

  5. PeaceThroughJustice
    PeaceThroughJustice
    October 27, 2013, 3:43 pm

    “The transit agency said its advertising contractor, Titan, made the decision.”

    Titan is owned by William Apfelbaum, which may help to explain their willingness to concur with the ADL.

    http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/people/person.asp?personId=23036804&ticker=MAXW

    I suspect the complaints went directly to to Titan.

  6. traintosiberia
    traintosiberia
    October 27, 2013, 4:02 pm

    ADL called FOX news to stop airing the remaining portions of the 4 part series on Israeli angle vs 911 development and FOX pulled the plug on the expose.

    Counter Punch vol 14 no 3/4 2007
    Freedom of information or liberty of expression are just like the use of the term terrorism -depends on who defines and who has the power to force the definition.

  7. Keith
    Keith
    October 27, 2013, 4:26 pm

    Its all about power. The power to set the limits of debate and to punish those who exceed those limits.

  8. DICKERSON3870
    DICKERSON3870
    October 27, 2013, 7:07 pm

    RE: “Boston ad agency pulled ads about Palestinian land loss after ADL complained, ‘Globe’ reports”

    MY COMMENT: When it comes to speech regarding Israel, the ADL is unabashedly opposed to the constitutionally protected “right of free speech” here in the U.S. This is yet another reason I fear that Revisionist Zionism and Likudnik Israel (specifically by virtue of their inordinate sway over the U.S.) might very well be an “existential threat” to the values of The Enlightenment [like the “right of free speech”]! ! !
    “Down, down, down we [the U.S.] go into the deep, dark abyss; hand in hand with Israel.”

    P.S. OTHER EXAMPLES OF ZIONISM’S VALUES TRUMPING (OVERRIDING) THE VALUES OF THE ENLIGHTENMENT HERE IN THE U.S.
    “How We Became Israel”, By Andrew J. Bacevich, The American Conservative, 9/10/12
    LINK – http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/how-we-became-israel/
    “America Adopts the Israel Paradigm”, by Philip Ghiraldi, Antiwar.com, 7/05/12
    LINK – http://original.antiwar.com/giraldi/2012/07/04/america-adopts-the-israel-paradigm/
    “Report: Israeli model underlies militarization of U.S. police”, By Muriel Kane, Raw Story, 12/04/11
    LINK – http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/12/04/report-israeli-model-underlies-militarization-of-u-s-police/
    “From Occupation to ‘Occupy’: The Israelification of American Domestic Security”, By Max Blumenthal, Al-akhbar, 12/02/11
    LINK – http://english.al-akhbar.com/node/2178 OR http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article29892.htm
    “Homeland Security Made in Israel”, by Philip Giraldi, Antiwar.com, 8/22/13
    LINK – http://original.antiwar.com/giraldi/2013/08/21/homeland-security-made-in-israel/
    “Two Secretive Israeli Companies Reportedly Bugged The US Telecommunications Grid For The NSA”, By Michael Kelley, Business Insider, 6/07/13
    LINK – http://www.businessinsider.com/israelis-bugged-the-us-for-the-nsa-2013-6
    “IDF Unit 8200 Cyberwar Veterans Developed NSA Snooping Technology”, By Richard Silverstein, Tikun Olam, 6/07/13
    LINK – http://www.richardsilverstein.com/2013/06/09/top-secret-iaf-unit-exposed/
    “Meet the Israeli-linked firm that sold Big Brother machines to Mubarak, Qaddafi – and Washington”, by Max Blumenthal, Mondoweiss, 6/15/13
    LINK – http://mondoweiss.net/2013/06/machines-qaddafi-washington.html
    “What was the Israeli Involvement in Collecting U.S. Communications Intel for NSA? ~ By Haaretz, The Associated Press and Reuters, informationclearinghouse.info, 6/08/13
    LINK – http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article35215.htm
    “The Second Battle of Gaza: Israel’s Undermining Of International Law”, by Jeff Halper, mrzine.monthlyreview.org, 02/26/10
    LINK – http://mrzine.monthlyreview.org/2010/halper260210.html
    “The Trial of Israel’s Campus Critics”, by David Theo Goldberg & Saree Makdisi, Tikkun Magazine, September/October 2009
    LINK – http://www.tikkun.org/article.php/sept_oct_09_goldberg_makdisi
    “Brooklyn College’s academic freedom increasingly threatened over Israel event”, by Glenn Greenwald, guardian.co.uk, 2/02/13
    LINK – http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/feb/02/brooklyn-college-bds-alan-dershowitz
    “Peter ‘Powder Keg’ Beinart is disinvited from gig at Atlanta Jewish book festival”, by Annie Robbins, Mondoweiss, 11/05/12
    LINK – http://mondoweiss.net/2012/11/peter-powder-keg-beinart-is-disinvited-from-gig-at-atlanta-jewish-book-festival.html
    ‘Israelis are helping write US laws, fund US campaigns, craft US war policy’, by Philip Weiss, Mondoweiss, 6/30/12
    LINK – http://mondoweiss.net/2012/06/israelis-are-helping-write-us-laws-fund-us-campaigns-craft-us-war-policy.html
    “David Yerushalmi, Islam-Hating White Supremacist Inspires Anti-Sharia Bills Sweeping Tea Party Nation”, by Richard Silverstein, Tikun Olam, 3/02/11
    LINK – http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_olam/2011/03/02/david-yerushalmi-islam-hating-white-supremacist/
    “Boston airport security program rife with racial profiling has Israeli links”, by Alex Kane, Mondoweiss, 8/14/12
    LINK – http://mondoweiss.net/2012/08/boston-airport-security-program-rife-with-racial-profiling-has-israeli-links.html
    “Obama’s kill list policy compels US support for Israeli attacks on Gaza”, By Glenn Greenwald, guardian.co.uk, 11/15/12
    LINK – http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/nov/15/israel-gaza-obama-assassinations
    • NRA PUSHES PLAN IMPORTED FROM ISRAEL TO PUT POLICE IN ALL OF OUR SCHOOLS – NRA President’s Report: David Keene on the Push to Protect Our Children [VIDEO, 12:10] – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_Iy-LVL5dU
    • IN THE WAKE OF THE BOSTON BOMBINGS, a “National Security Expert” on Fox Faux News said that the U.S. is like a 14-year-old teenager going through “security puberty”; and we must demand that our government “get on the Israeli page”! ! !
    On the Wish List from the Boston Bombings – The Israelization of America [VIDEO, 00:25] – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fff8dXQNVdA

    P.S. Thank G_d for the ACLU! ! !

    • traintosiberia
      traintosiberia
      October 27, 2013, 9:54 pm

      US system that the world knows for awhile, is very fragile. In a flicker the whole building can come crumbling down. There will be always some explanation and some feeble resistance -we are not this or that or are we are better than this, this is notAmerica- or something along those lines.But the rubicon has been crossed. Sometimes there is no turning back. The figures,the elite,the system the profiteers,the predators -none of them will fade away until the last juice is squizzed and along the way ,they would have destroyed whatever veneer is left clinging to the decreipt 200 years old building . America willbefragmented along everyossible fault lines – religion,color,origin,belief,sexual orientation, age,and possibly even on IQ and zip code just to cater to those powerful who are feasting on the sick body as fast as they could.
      The blatant lies and the arrogant attempt of ADL is not something in isolation. The supporting system is in place to make this happen .it is not strong enough to survive the fault lines anymore.

  9. Hostage
    Hostage
    October 27, 2013, 8:40 pm

    “The billboards are intentionally designed to mislead the public, and they are part of an ongoing anti-Israel campaign that distorts the issues by oversimplifying the facts around the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.”

    What about Abe Foxman’s dishonest attempts to conceal the fact that the Executive and Judicial branches of the US government formally recognized the Mandated State of Palestine?, e.g.

    Furthermore, the State Department maintains very different rules for those who object to identifying Israel as their birthplace on their passports than for those who wish to do so.

    U.S. citizens born prior to 1948 in what is presently recognized by the U.S. as Israel, who object to having their place of birth recorded as Israel, may refuse to list it as their place of birth. Indeed, Americans may choose to identify their place of birth as “Palestine” – a country not recognized by the U.S. By contrast, those who are born in Jerusalem – even West Jerusalem, like Zivotofsky – who wish to record their place of birth as Israel may not do so.

    — Abraham Foxman, Overturn the U.S. court decision: Jerusalem is Israel’s capital The U.S.’s refusal to allow those of its citizens born in Jerusalem to request ‘Israel’ as their birthplace is discriminatory, reprehensible, even offensive. http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.537892

    See the case of “Kletter v. Dulles, Secretary of State”, the United States District Court District Of Columbia (1953):

    The contention of the plaintiff that Palestine, while under the League of Nations mandate, was not a foreign state within the meaning of the statute is wholly without merit. . . . Furthermore, it is not for the judiciary, but for the political branches of the Government to determine that Palestine at that time was a foreign state. This the Executive branch of the Government did in 1932 with respect to the operation of the most favored nations provision in treaties of commerce.

    link to dc.findacase.com

    The Restatement (Third) of the Foreign Relations Law of the United States § 201 Reporter’s Note 3 says: “The United States will treat States the territory of which is under foreign military occupation as continuing to exist.”

    In the 1960’s the State of Israel complained because the United States continued to use “Jerusalem, Palestine” on official documents. For example, the Foreign Relations of the United States (FRUS), 1964–1968, Volume XVIII, Arab-Israeli Dispute, 1964–67, Document 30, footnote 2 reveals that:.

    Telegram 774 to Tel Aviv, March 5, summarized an informal conversation between Davies and Israeli Minister Gazit concerning Israel’s efforts to obtain U.S. agreement to drop the use of “Jerusalem, Palestine” in passports issued or renewed in Jerusalem and issued to officers stationed in Jerusalem. Davies strongly protested Israel’s refusal to honor Consul Robert H. Munn’s passport, which contained this usage. (Ibid.) A chronology of discussions on this subject, dating back to February 1963, is attached to A–104 from Jerusalem, March 30. (Ibid.).

    http://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1964-68v18/d30

    The same document revealed that:

    2. We will cease using “Palestine” in passports as place of assignment and cease issuing, renewing, or amending passports with seal bearing word “Palestine”.

    In 1995 the State Department published a Memorandum of Conversation between William Crawford Jr. and Mr. Shaul Bar-Haim from the Israeli Embassy (February 7, 1963) regarding Jerusalem. Bar-Haim said “The use of the term “Palestine” is historical fiction; it encourages the Palestine entity concept; its “revived usage enrages” individual Israelis”. Crawford replied “It is difficult to see how it “enrages” Israeli opinion. The practice is consistent with the fact that, ”in a de jure sense”, Jerusalem was part of Palestine and has not since become part of any other sovereignty.” — See Foreign Relations of the United States, 1961-1963, Vol. Xviii, Near East, United States. Dept. of State, G.P.O., 1995, ISBN 0160451590, page 341.

    • just
      just
      October 27, 2013, 8:45 pm

      Thank you yet again, Hostage. Your input and massive knowledge of history and law are truly invaluable to me.

      • bintbiba
        bintbiba
        October 28, 2013, 9:35 am

        “Your input and massive knowledge of history and law are truly invaluable to all of us here on MW. ” Just.
        Thank you Hostage.

    • Kathleen
      Kathleen
      October 27, 2013, 10:36 pm

      I am going to have to read this a couple of times. Loop de loop

      • Hostage
        Hostage
        October 28, 2013, 10:23 am

        I am going to have to read this a couple of times. Loop de loop

        The bottom line is that the United States did recognize the Mandate State of Palestine, and there were unsuccessful Zionist lawsuits dating back to the 1940s challenging that decision. Foxman is simply being dishonest when he claims that isn’t so.

        Naturally the US still employs “Palestine” as the place of birth on the passports of persons born there before 1948. Under our US foreign relations law, a state under military occupation doesn’t cease to exist. Its territory can’t be unilaterally annexed. So, the US refused to recognize the portions of Jerusalem, Palestine that were claimed by Israel and Jordan and continued to use “Palestine” on passports until the 1960’s. That’s when Israel refused to accept the passports of our Jerusalem diplomatic corps. Since then, US passports simply say “Jerusalem”. Israel’s agents, including Foxman and the ADL, have mounted an unsuccessful lawfare campaign to make the US government recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s capital and put “Israel” on the passports of persons born in Jerusalem.

      • Kathleen
        Kathleen
        October 28, 2013, 2:56 pm

        Thanks

  10. Kathleen
    Kathleen
    October 27, 2013, 10:31 pm

    Hope they get an extra month of ads up or some kind of compensation for this serious on purpose mistake

  11. Kathleen
    Kathleen
    October 27, 2013, 10:50 pm

    Found that clip of an Israeli soldier kicking a Palestinian kid in Hebron. Here you go Mahane what do you see here
    Do the IDF look “confused” or just brutal?

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/9376740/Israeli-policeman-filmed-kicking-Palestinian-boy-in-Hebron.html

  12. MahaneYehude1
    MahaneYehude1
    October 28, 2013, 12:37 am

    @Kathleen: Do you read part of my comments? Please, return to the comments I sent you in the past, read them again and see what I wrote you about those brutal soldiers. What is your obsession to convince me that you are right? Let’s don’t start “videos war” since in such war a lot of s**t will float in this web site and lot of it won’t be from your videos.

    • traintosiberia
      traintosiberia
      October 28, 2013, 4:19 am

      By Mairav Zonszein
      |Published October 26, 2013
      Palestinian farmer’s head smashed open by settlers in West Bank

      WARNING: GRAPHIC IMAGE BELOW

      Rabbis for Human Rights reports that settlers from the illegal Adei Ad outpost attacked Palestinian farmers from Al-Mughayer Saturday afternoon with clubs, smashing one man’s head open
      http://972mag.com/nstt_feeditem/palestinian-farmers-head-smashed-open-by-settlers-in-west-bank/

    • Kathleen
      Kathleen
      October 28, 2013, 2:58 pm

      Mahane good to hear you say “brutal soldiers” IDF soldiers should be punished for this brutal behavior. Cruel!

      • MahaneYehude1
        MahaneYehude1
        October 28, 2013, 3:37 pm

        @Kathleen: I already said it in my first response to you (I am not sure you read my replies to you) but I also wrote you that we punish our brutal soldiers and racist civilians mainly by jail sentences. The videos you insist to send me depict rare cases and don’t represent our army. I repeat again, considering the circumstances the Israeli soldiers face day after days, the IDF is a moral army and I proud Israel has such army.

      • Woody Tanaka
        Woody Tanaka
        October 28, 2013, 3:45 pm

        “I repeat again, considering the circumstances the Israeli soldiers face day after days, the IDF is a moral army and I proud Israel has such army.”

        Oh, BS. The “circumstances” they face is the fact that, every day, they enforce a brutal, racist and evil occuption and destroy the lives of the Palestinians as the policy of the zio state. That is their choice. They choose to do this. They are immoral because what they as the in the occupation is immoral. How dare you call these thugs, murders and terrorists “moral”?

      • amigo
        amigo
        October 28, 2013, 4:15 pm

        ” I repeat again, considering the circumstances the Israeli soldiers face day after days, the IDF is a moral army and I proud Israel has such army.”mehane 1/2 or 3??.

        Repeat it all you want Mehane, your idf is full of thugs and criminals and that you are proud of them reflects very badly on you.

        Read this years Amnesty Intl report on your so called moral army.

        http://www.amnesty.org/en/region/israel-and-occupied-palestinian-territories/report-2013

        Here is an excerpt on the matter of impunity.

        Impunity

        “The authorities again failed to independently investigate killings of Palestinian civilians by Israeli soldiers in the West Bank and Gaza or to prosecute those responsible. Impunity continued for war crimes committed by Israeli forces during Operation “Cast Lead” in 2008-2009, and there were no indications that independent investigations would be conducted into violations committed during the November 2012 Gaza-Israel conflict. Police investigations into Israeli settler violence against Palestinians rarely led to prosecutions.

        In May, the military authorities closed their investigation into the killing of 21 members of the Samouni family, including young children, during Operation “Cast Lead”. The family was sheltering in a house into which Israeli soldiers had ordered them to move, when they were killed, apparently by shelling. The authorities ruled that the deaths did not result from negligence by Israeli troops.
        In August, a soldier who shot dead two Palestinian women holding a white flag during Operation “Cast Lead” received a 45-day prison sentence for “illegal use of a weapon” as the result of a plea bargain.
        On 28 August, a court in Haifa absolved the Israeli authorities of responsibility for the death of US activist Rachel Corrie, who was run over and killed in 2003 while protesting against home demolitions in Rafah, Gaza”

        Oh I do not believe you view Amnesty Intl as propaganda>>>>?.

      • amigo
        amigo
        October 28, 2013, 4:51 pm

        The only IDF soldiers going to jail are the following .

        Conscientious objectors

        At least six Israeli citizens were sent to jail for refusing to serve in the army on grounds of conscience. One, Natan Blanc, continued to be held at the end of the year.

        Noam Gur was arrested on 17 April for refusing to carry out military service. She served two 10-day prison sentences in April and May.

        Here is the link again.http://www.amnesty.org/en/region/israel-and-occupied-palestinian-territories/report-2013

      • Kathleen
        Kathleen
        October 28, 2013, 6:40 pm

        Mahane I did read your replies. But you and I know it is total bs that IDF soldiers are punished for these crimes. And knock knock Mahane there are quite a few IDF soldiers that have come out and testified that these brutal actions taken on Palestinian children are systematic and persistent. There are numerous international reports that I linked to Mahane. As you have asked me to read your statements and I went to look at your link and something must have happened I would encourage you to go listen to IDF soldiers own experiences of systematically abusing both Palestinian children and adults and go read those international reports on serious abuse of children. Mahane those are not actions of a “moral army” And a “moral army” would not protect illegal settlers on stolen land while holding back the rightful owners to that land. Mahane I am not sure what “moral” means to you.

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        October 28, 2013, 9:58 pm

        “I repeat again, considering the circumstances the Israeli soldiers face day after days, the IDF is a moral army and I proud Israel has such army.”

        Can’t you find a Latin tag to go with that? (“Video meliora proboque, deteriora sequor”* doesn’t really fit.)

        (*Translation for the Latin deprived: “I poked honey into the video, and as a result it broke down”.)

      • talknic
        talknic
        October 28, 2013, 10:44 pm

        @MahaneYehude1 So many videos of ‘rare cases’ AMAZING!

        “and don’t represent our army”

        Whose army do they represent?

        I repeat again, considering the circumstances the Israeli soldiers face day after days, the IDF is a moral army and I proud Israel has such army”

        Bullsh*t, no matter how many times it is repeated, is bullsh*t. The circumstances the Israeli soldiers face day after day is in support of Israel illegally acquiring non-Israeli territory. It is IMMORAL to covet other folks territory

      • just
        just
        October 28, 2013, 10:59 pm

        They do worse than covet the land and resources of the Palestinian people– they steal them with glee and without any negative consequences.

        The world waits for justice. It will come, and so will the punishment for the flagrant disregard for international law.

      • MahaneYehude1
        MahaneYehude1
        October 29, 2013, 3:08 pm

        @Woody, Amigo, Kathleen, talknic and just:
        Let’s start from the end – The IDF army is a moral army.

        As I wrote, the Israeli occupation that I really want to see its end soon, forced upon us and is not the result of an Israeli decision to occupy the WB. This occupation is the result of the ambitions of some Arab countries to defeat Israel, ambitions that, fortunately, were unsuccessful.

        Currently, until the establishment of a Palestinian state, Israel is the sovereign in part of the WB and as such is responsible for the residents their. I can say with confidence, given the hundreds of incidents that occur day after day, most of them are initiated, that the videos depict very rare cases of brutal soldiers and racists that we, the Israelis, condemn, punish and vomit out.

        But, these videos also show the other side of the coin and some raise many questions. I believe that many participants on this site are scholars and researchers that usually raise questions. However, most of you are ignoring a lot of facts these videos show. Let’s say, just for the argument’s sake, that the IDF is an immoral army. Is it moral to send children to confront the soldiers? Is it moral to push small children, some as young as five or six years old, in front of the soldiers just to photograph the soldiers confronting them? What these acts do to the children? Have any of you thought about it? And please don’t tell me what the IDF do to these children. You know very well that the IDF doesn’t initiate such confrontations. I am very worried that hatred already embedded in these children, hatred that distances any chance for future peace, if it exists.

        Maybe my logic works in different way, but to me if children are approaching soldiers, taunt and provoke them, it is only because they and their parents know they deal with soldiers who don’t know how to confront children and usually stand paralyzed and embarrassed. Way it looks in most videos and the videos that show real abuses are rare and in most cases the soldiers are punished and thrown in jail. I don’t believe you will find such videos in other conflict zones around the world (especially, not from other countries in the ME), not because there is no other conflicts zones, but because in most cases the armies in these zones are not moral like the IDF is.

        Most of you also ignore one simple fact. The WB is covered by thousands of cameras and any single Israeli soldier motion is documented (sometimes, there are more photographers than protesters). There are tens of thousands of hours of photographing and the “crop” is very rare hence every soldier movement gets headlines. This situation only shows the tremendous efforts to discredit the IDF. There are some videos I saw in recent years, that many honest people in the world have raised questions about them and doubts about their authenticity.

        Most of the cases were photographed by Israelis and many soldiers testified against them, knowing that they are citizens in democratic country and nothing bad will happen to them.

        My comments about the videos started with this video in MW:
        http://mondoweiss.net/2013/10/aftermath-assault-palestinian.html
        Please, look at the video again with “critical eyes” (yes, “criticism”, there is such a word in English, I think) and see if everything looks moral to you.

        The IDF army is a moral army and I proud we have such army.

      • talknic
        talknic
        November 1, 2013, 8:48 am

        @ MahaneYehude1 “the Israeli occupation that I really want to see its end soon, forced upon us and is not the result of an Israeli decision to occupy the WB”

        Strange. On the 31st Aug 1949 the Israeli Government expressed an OFFICIAL request to the Conciliation Commission to have all the territory not belonging to Lebanon, Syria, Jordan or Egypt http://wp.me/pDB7k-l5#coveting-land The request was turned down, citing the Armistice AGREEMENTS. (a word Israel doesn’t seem to understand)

        Israel ignored the Conciliation Commission and has since done everything it can to illegally acquire those territories, in breach of International Law, the UN Charter and the relevant conventions, ALL of which are binding!

        Your wholly holey bullsh*t doesn’t make the grade …. try something else, like waking up to the fact that your idiotic propaganda ain’t gonna work here. All you achieve is to afford the opportunity to show readers how dishonest you and the Israeli Government are. BRAVO!

        “The IDF army is a moral army and I proud we have such army”

        No army used to subjugate and dispossess people AND illegally acquire their territory is moral!

      • MahaneYehude1
        MahaneYehude1
        November 1, 2013, 8:53 am

        @talknic: “like waking up to the fact that your idiotic propaganda ain’t gonna work here”.

        You right when you wrote “here” meaning in a web site that aimed to dehumanize and demonize us and undermine the state of Israel and can’t see the simple fact that you are dealing with human beings.

      • eljay
        eljay
        November 1, 2013, 9:08 am

        >> The IDF army is a moral army.

        Of course, just as the rapist who least harms his victim is a moral rapist.

        >> … the Israeli occupation that I really want to see its end soon, forced upon us and is not the result of an Israeli decision to occupy the WB. This occupation is the result of the ambitions of some Arab countries to defeat Israel …

        So, in order for a country to successfully defend itself and its borders, it must occupy and colonize land outside of its borders. Interesting.

        Not only is this a terribly lame rationale for 60+ years of ON-GOING occupation and colonization, but you just know that if any of Israel’s territory had been / is ever seized, occupied and colonized, Zio-supremacist hypocrites like MY1 would have screamed / will scream about the injustice of it all.

      • talknic
        talknic
        November 1, 2013, 9:54 am

        @MahaneYehude1 “You right when you wrote “here” meaning in a web site .. “ … where you and other readers can be shown IRREFUTABLE evidence of Israel’s intention to acquire all of Palestine from OFFICIAL Israeli Government statements

        C’mon deny the Israel Government made the claim http://unispal.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/fd807e46661e3689852570d00069e918/c96e0252e7710bce85256d95006bc157?OpenDocument

        Deny Israel proclaimed itself ” as an independent republic within frontiers approved by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its Resolution of November 29, 1947″ http://www.trumanlibrary.org/whistlestop/study_collections/israel/large/documents/newPDF/49.pdf

        ” a web site that aimed to dehumanize and demonize us and undermine the state of Israel and can’t see the simple fact that you are dealing with human beings.”

        It does nothing of the kind. I’d be the first to object if it did

        Israel done its best to dehumanize and demonize the Palestinians for 65 years in order to dispossess them and illegally acquire their territory. It is you who can’t see the simple fact that you are dealing with human beings, the vast majority of whom have never lifted a finger towards anyone, never dispossessed anyone or taken anything of Israel’s.

        The lies of the Israeli Government, which you so eagerly perpetuate, simply don’t make the grade.

        I defy you to make any valid statement justifying Israel’s usurping the Palestinians over the last 65 years. There are none.

        Consecutive Israeli Governments have gone around in a circle. Their own words disprove everything they claim, from having no borders, to wanting peace.

        You and your kind are the problem. You’re a disgrace to Judaism

      • Woody Tanaka
        Woody Tanaka
        November 1, 2013, 10:17 am

        “You right when you wrote “here” meaning in a web site that aimed to dehumanize and demonize us”

        Nope. Condemning your evil acts. Nothing more.

        “…and undermine the state of Israel and can’t see the simple fact that you are dealing with human beings.”

        BFD. The Nazis were human beings. And the Soviets. And every mass murderer, baby killer, rapist and torturer in history. Yet we rightly condemn them, yet you balk when we condemn the evil your people do?? How dare you?

      • MahaneYehude1
        MahaneYehude1
        November 1, 2013, 10:52 am

        woody: “Yet we rightly condemn them, yet you balk when we condemn the evil your people do?? How dare you?”

        No, Woody, you wrong again and you deliberately rewrite my arguments. I already condemned any violence even from my side many times here. When you start to condemn the Palestinian violence against us without “but you…”? unfortunately, I don’t think it will happen some day here.

      • Woody Tanaka
        Woody Tanaka
        November 1, 2013, 12:18 pm

        “I already condemned any violence even from my side many times here.”

        But you don’t condemn the thing that is causing the the violence: zionism.

        “When you start to condemn the Palestinian violence against us without ‘but you…’?”

        I have no problem condemning Palestinian violence when it is purposfully directed against true innocents. But I predict that I would define that term in a way much different than you would.

        What you can’t seem to understand is that there are not “two equal sides” and that it is not sufficient to condemn everyone in blanket fashion and be done with it. The “but you” is necessary because this conflict exists and is perpetuated solely because of the israelis desire to continue the fight. If they wanted peace, they could have had it at least 10 years ago by accepting the Arab Peace Initiative unreservedly, and they would have had more than they deserve and a peace that they claim to want. But they don’t accept it. And if the voting public isn’t going to rise up and insist that they accept it, how do they deserve my sympathy for wanting to continue the warring?

      • annie
        annie
        November 1, 2013, 12:51 pm

        mehane, you are in complete denial This occupation is the result of the ambitions of some Arab countries to defeat Israel

        denial israel eviscerated scores of palestinian villages before one arab country invaded. denial the occupation is controlling the palestinian people who remain, for the purpose of stealing more land, and it goes on daily: http://mondoweiss.net/2013/10/ground-peace-index-volume.html/comment-page-1#comment-608119

        and you mehane, continually insist on some equal condemnation between the perpetrators of ethnic cleansing and those being dispossessed of their homeland. we’re not idiots. and you claim we are dehumanizing you. we’re not dehumanizing you. unfortunately it’s all to human to be cruel thieves.

        and you claim the occupation is ‘forced’ upon you, but no israel is forced to carry out the occupation, not in the way the blockade is forced upon gaza, not in the way the demolition of thousands of palestinian homes is forced upon that population. this ‘force’ you reference is metaphorical. and you seek to reduce the conversation to individuals, and claim the army is ‘moral’ when you know they are expanding, always expanding. what’s next? claiming israel is forced to expand? claiming israel’s wall is forced to be over the green line steal more land.

        you do not want to look at the true implications of what is going on because you are here to equalize the pain of the aggressor and the victim of their aggression, and you are here to smear us as dehumanizers for pointing out the crimes of those you wish to sympathize with. and if you were truly interested , as you claim to be, to ‘really want to see the occupation end soon’ you would not be wasting your time here. you would be spending your hours over on political sites for the settlers and their politicians, the ones wanting to annex area c. they are much more influential than we are. but you’re not interested in that.

        you bore me. defending the indefensible day in and day out. and that’s what you’re doing. over and over and over and over. there would be no occupation if those individuals refused to become soldiers in an army that facilitates the theft of land. period. none. it’s is completely immoral what they do. completely.

        can you see the eyes of the driver of the bulldozer who is demolishing this little girls home? http://mondoweiss.net/2013/10/ground-peace-index-volume.html tell me his job is forced upon him. tell me how moral he is. no one believes this here, why not go somewhere it could make a difference? why are you here? you used to say you would not be back. but you’re still here peddling this nonsense. why?

      • seafoid
        seafoid
        November 1, 2013, 1:05 pm

        Mahane Yehuda’s various handlers’ portrayal of a deeply sympathetic very human defender of the status quo is such a crock. Either they stand for human rights or they don’t. Anyone who calls themselves a Zionist doesn’t.

      • Woody Tanaka
        Woody Tanaka
        November 1, 2013, 1:40 pm

        ” The IDF army is a moral army.”

        Nope. They’re uniformed terrorists in the service of an evil ideology.

        “forced upon us and is not the result of an Israeli decision to occupy the WB.”

        Nonsense. It was no more forced upon you than a rape victim forces her rapist to rape. YOU chose to occupy. How dare you blame the victim here?

        “This occupation is the result of the ambitions of some Arab countries to defeat Israel, ambitions that, fortunately, were unsuccessful.”

        Baloney. even your own people have admitted that israel started the 1967 war and that you knew that the Arab states were not going to attack. You did this for your own sick zionist reasons.

        “Currently, until the establishment of a Palestinian state”

        The state of Palestine exists. It’s been recognized by the majority of the countries of the world. It is only you racists in your zionist entity and the suckers like the US who don’t recognize it.

        “Israel is the sovereign in part of the WB”

        No, it isn’t. It’s an occupier of the West Bank and has no sovereignty there.

        “the videos depict very rare cases of brutal soldiers and racists that we”

        Nonsense. Every second of the occupation is brutal and racist. It is the norm, that you people vote for and therefore are responsible for.

        “But, these videos also show the other side of the coin and some raise many questions.”

        Typical zio. Blaming the victim. Again.

        “You know very well that the IDF doesn’t initiate such confrontations.”

        BS. Not only is the idf terrorists’ presence itself a provocation, but they often initiate conflicts with the Palestinians. Who are you trying to kid, yourself?

        “I am very worried that hatred already embedded in these children, hatred that distances any chance for future peace, if it exists.”

        If you want peace, then accept the Arab Peace Plan and get the hell out of Palestine. Easy. If you don’t, then don’t go blaming the victims for fighting back against you.

        “if children are approaching soldiers, taunt and provoke them,”

        They’re not. They’re trying to live their lives in their land and have to put up with the brutality of these idf goons.

        “hey deal with soldiers who don’t know how to confront children and usually stand paralyzed and embarrassed.”

        Oh, bull. These thugs are either sociopaths or trained to act in this brutal manner. Either way, they have no business in Palestine, so it doesn’t matter.

        “This situation only shows the tremendous efforts to discredit the IDF.”

        Doesn’t take much effort. Their very presence, polluting the land of Palestine with their footprints, discredits them enough.

        “There are some videos I saw in recent years, that many honest people in the world have raised questions about them and doubts about their authenticity.”

        Nope. It’s hacks like you trying to excuse the inexcusable. Not “honest people.”

        “The IDF army is a moral army and I proud we have such army.”

        No, it isn’t. It’s a band of uniformed goons and terrorists. You’re proud of them because you are happy to excuse evil. That, itself, is evil.

  13. traintosiberia
    traintosiberia
    October 28, 2013, 4:15 am

    Biggest Barrier To Peace is ‘Unlimited’ Funds Given to AIPAC, Says Jack Straw
    Ex-British Foreign Secretary To Quit Parliament

    Read more: http://forward.com/articles/186301/biggest-barrier-to-peace-is-unlimited-funds-given/#ixzz2j0Dj6ByL
    Former British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw said during a debate in the British parliament that “unlimited” funds available to Jewish organizations and AIPAC in the U.S. are used to control American policy in the Middle East.

    The comments reportedly were made last week during the Round Table Global Diplomatic Forum in the British House of Commons.

    Former Israeli Knesset Member Einat Wilf was in attendance at the debate and posted Straw’s comments on her Facebook page.

    Straw said, according to Wilf, that the greatest obstacles to peace between Israel and the Palestinians and her Arab neighbors are the “unlimited” funds available to Jewish organizations and AIPAC in the U.S., as well as Germany’s “obsession” with defending Israel.

    “I guess he neglected to mention Jewish control of the media…,” Wilf added on her Facebook status.

    Straw announced Friday that he would step down as a member of Parliament from the Labor Party at the upcoming 2015 general election. He has served in Parliament continuously since 1979. Straw served as both Home Secretary and Foreign Secretary under Prime Minister Tony Blair, and as Secretary of State of Justice under Prime Minister Gordon Brown.

    Read more: http://forward.com/articles/186301/biggest-barrier-to-peace-is-unlimited-funds-given/#ixzz2j0DOv5Lj
    http://forward.com/articles/186301/biggest-barrier-to-peace-is-unlimited-funds-given/?utm_campaign=&utm_content=general-general&utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=jd.fo-other#.Um3OWMKh9gU.twitter

    • just
      just
      October 28, 2013, 6:56 am

      So Straw finally speaks an important truth.

      I wish he would come clean about the villainous Blair.

      As for the illegal & murderous settlers who attacked and split the Palestinian farmer’s head open and attacked others, perhaps Israel will fete them with roses and more…

  14. hophmi
    hophmi
    October 28, 2013, 11:48 am

    As it said, the ADL did not tell the MBTA to take down the ads. If the MBTA is dumb, it isn’t the ADL’s fault.

  15. Ludwig
    Ludwig
    October 28, 2013, 1:55 pm

    If they go up again, I will deface them.

    • just
      just
      October 29, 2013, 6:23 am

      Just like you deface the truth here, eh?

      (Well, at least we’ll know who committed the crime if it happens.)

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