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American Friends of Efrat advertisement in the Jerusalem Post's Christian Edition, soliciting donations for the pro-Israel/pro-life group. (Photo: Allison Deger)

American Friends of Efrat advertisement in the Jerusalem Post’s Christian Edition, soliciting donations for the pro-Israel/pro-life group. (Photo: Allison Deger)

An Israeli anti-abortion group is reaching out to Christian Zionists and pro-choice advocates in the United States in an effort to increase the state’s Jewish population. American Friends of Efrat, the U.S.-based fundraising arm of Efrat (no relation to the settlement of the same name), is an Israeli anti-abortion group with hundreds of volunteers that counsel Jewish women against abortion and provide support for the first year of the child’s life. While in the U.S. pro-life discourse focuses on morality, the American Friends of Efrat looks at abortion from a demographics perspective. Their advertisement for the Committee to Rescue Israeli Babies (C.R.I.B.) program—Friend’s of Efrat’s only project—markets what they call an “inner aliyah,” or increasing Israel’s Jewish population not by flying in new immigrants, but by pumping up the birthrate via anti-abortion counseling and subsidies.

Though Efrat only assists women in Israel, the group has garnered support from inside the beltway through its American partner. Senator Chuck Schumer, a noted pro-choice champion who has used the issue of abortion to secure his New York Senate, attended a 30th anniversary gala for Efrat. Schumer has been lauded by Planned Parenthood who called him a “hero,” with “a 100% pro-choice, pro-family planning voting record,” but in 2007 Schumer put his pro-choice position aside and joined his anti-abortion foes at the celebration. (Schumer’s office was contacted, but did not provide a comment for this story.)

Screen shot of congressional supporters of American Friends of Efrat. (Image: FriendsofEfrat.org)

Screen shot of congressional supporters of American Friends of Efrat. (Image: FriendsofEfrat.org)

Republican leaders also praised the group: “Thanks for representing in such a great way the saving of lives. It makes me very proud to have the opportunity of being here together with Efrat,” said Senator Jim DeMint (R-SC); I am delighted to tell you that what EFRAT does is important, it’s important to inspire us and it’s important to keep us all accountable,” added Senator Mel Martinez (R-FL); and “All of G-d’s children have intrinsic, inestimatable value to Him. And that is the only thing that holds the family together, [sic]” said Congressman Trent Franks (R-AZ).

According to IRS 990 tax reports, the American Friends of Efrat pulls from mainstream foundations including matching donations from Deutsche Bank, The Goldman Sachs Foundation and the Prudential Foundation. But the heftiest sums come from the Jewish community. Despite the fact that 89% of American Jews support abortion rights, the Federation Foundation of Greater Philadelphia sent the group $100,000 in 2004 and 2006, while the Jewish Community Foundation of the Jewish Federation of Greater Los Angeles gave C.R.I.B. just over $5,000 in 2007 and $10,000 in 2008. In addition, the Madav IX Foundation, a charitable organization funded by Jewish family foundations but administered by the Jewish Federation of Cleveland, gave the C.R.I.B. program $10,000 in 2008. The Madav IX Foundation shares the same Ohio address of the Bennet and Donna Yanowitz Family Foundation that gave the C.R.I.B. program $2,000 in 2004 and $1,000 in 2007.

I first heard of Efrat earlier this fall while covering the largest annual event in Jerusalem: a messianic Christian festival themed after the Jewish holiday of Sukkot. “This is my fourth shofar,” a teenager girl told me while dancing to ecclesiastical music and strobe lights. Aside from kitsch Judaica for sale the lobby had stacks of the Jerusalem Post’s “Christian Edition,” a glossy insert to the English language paper. On the back cover of the December 2011 issue was a full-page advertisement with a grinning Caucasian toddler. “God blesses those who bless Israel,” continuing, “Preventing abortions is the key to Israel’s survival as a Jewish state.”—The message: the child is happy because he was not aborted. The plug: donate to American Friends of Efrat where Christian supporters of Israel can not only save a life, but stack the number of Jews in the holy land.

The ad reads:

Advertisement for American Friends of Eftrat's Committee for the Rescue of Israeli Babies program. (Photo: Allison Deger)

Advertisement for American Friends of Eftrat’s Committee for the Rescue of Israeli Babies program. (Photo: Allison Deger)

 Israel is currently fighting a demographic war for her survival. As we go to print Israel’s borders are in jeopardy. The Arab birthright is about double the Jewish birthrate. General Uzi Dayan speaking as the Director for the Council of National security announced: ‘Demographic projections forecast an Arab majority in Israel by the year 2020 less than 15 years from now.’

“The most cost effective aliyah ever.” Screenshot of promotional video from the American friends of Efrat.

And a commercial on the American Friends of Efrat website explains that thwarting abortion is “the most cost effective aliyah ever:”


As this video is being produced Israel’s borders are in jeopardy due to the demographic the threat. Efrat is already making a demographic difference for Israel. But imagine what a difference it would make if Efrat could save 5,000 babies a year or more instead of just 2,000. This would be the most cost effective aliyah ever as there would be no need to pay for airfare or housing as the babies are already in Israel just waiting to be born.’

The C.R.I.B. program markets that saving a Jewish child is also economical. In fact the cost of saving one Jewish baby runs around $1,200, according to the organization.  An $18.00 donation to Efrat covers the cost of a baby bath, while $50,000 makes one a “builder of Israel’s future,” saving 41 children.

Texasns for Israel logo, messianic Christian group that supports American Friends of Efrat.

Texans for Israel logo, messianic Christian group that supports American Friends of Efrat.

Other American Friends of Efrat ads appear on the websites for dispensationalist Christian groups like Texans for Israel, a Texas based pro-Israel group whose website logo is a map of “Greater Israel” with a sniper target symbol imposed over the West Bank.

In part American Friends of Efrat is reaching out to Christians and public officials outside of Israel because their reputation is stained at home. In 2011 the organization was in scandal over a murder-suicide after one of their volunteers convinced a teen to delay an abortion. One of the teen’s mothers said members of Efrat visited her daughter while she was seeking medical consultation to terminate her pregnancy. According to the mother the volunteers told the youth she had four or five months before she needed to make a decision. They also advised her to not disclose their conversation or her pregnancy to her parents. But after the first trimester past, the teen and her boyfriend ended their lives together in a murder-suicide pact.

Efrat maintains the coercive anti-abortion activists were not members of their organization, but mere admirers acting independently.

On the heels of the Efrat’s teen suicide, in Tel Aviv the group filled mailboxes with pro-life flyers. “Mom, don’t kill me! Today I grew fingernails and developed other essential organs,” the brochures read. And they posted billboard in Jerusalem. “Pregnant and need help? Call Efrat,” said the poster that included the image of a secular blond woman.

Then last winter when Efrat won a prize for their dedication to the Jewish community, Israelis protested. “[T]hey are saying a woman’s ovaries are a political tool,” said Tzaphira Allison Stern to the Jerusalem Post last December at a demonstration outside of the Jerusalem Prize ceremony. “Why shouldn’t a woman have an abortion? Because we need the baby so there are more Jews, and so there are more Israeli soldiers, so we can defend the land and continue the occupation,” she continued.

And so colored by scandal at home Efrat’s fundraising and governmental lifeline arrives from abroad. All the while in Israel they are known as a right-wing, anti-choice, anti-Arab group.

 

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  1. eljay
    eljay
    November 15, 2013, 10:16 am

    >> Israel is currently fighting a demographic war for her survival …

    … as a supremacist “Jewish State”.

    >> Then last winter when Efrat won a prize for their dedication to the Jewish community, Israelis protested. “[T]hey are saying a woman’s ovaries are a political tool,” said Tzaphira Allison Stern to the Jerusalem Post last December at a demonstration outside of the Jerusalem Prize ceremony. “Why shouldn’t a woman have an abortion? Because we need the baby so there are more Jews, and so there are more Israeli soldiers, so we can defend the land and continue the occupation,” she continued.

    In supremacist “Jewish State”, that seems to be the over-riding concern.

    • Krauss
      Krauss
      November 16, 2013, 5:12 pm

      Watching this ad made me think of Nüremburg propaganda, raising the consciousness of all righteous Aryans to save their race by having lots of babies!

      Or you could imagine how a white supremacist state would produce ads filled to the brim with racial panic and terror, urging them to seize their racial destiny as the champions of their race in order to act as a bulwalk against the barbarian hordes lurking outside(nevermind the high-tech walls and the most powerful army in the Middle East, if you can loop multiple nukes going off in the background, do you need any facts?)

      By the way, an interesting sidenote: interesting that the posterbaby they chose is as white as any Northern European, even if the majority of babies born in Israel are born to those with significant Arab heritage(whether Muslim, Christian or Jewish).

      • Talkback
        Talkback
        November 17, 2013, 6:27 am

        Watching this ad made me think of Nüremburg propaganda, raising the consciousness of all righteous Aryans to save their race by having lots of babies!

        What’s wrong with Aryan continuity as a positive value, the online dating service ABabies and Germany being a state of the Aryan nation? You are obviously not devoted to Aryanism and never have been (not on the pages of this blog). You are probably devoted to a state for all its citizens and individualism and think that Aryanism may be giving the German nation a bad name.

        (Just kidding. Thanks for the template, yonah fredman)

  2. American
    American
    November 15, 2013, 10:40 am

    ‘Senator Chuck Schumer, a noted pro-choice champion who has used the issue of abortion to secure his New York Senate, attended a 30th anniversary gala for Efrat. Schumer has been lauded by Planned Parenthood who called him a “hero,” with “a 100% pro-choice, pro-family planning voting record,” but in 2007 Schumer put his pro-choice position aside and joined his anti-abortion foes at the celebration’…

    Well typical. Schumer has no firmly held beliefs or positions one way or another he wont ditch for Israel…his only true belief is Israel and zionism.
    If anyone could get a reply from him on this he would only say that Israel is an ‘exception’ which comes ahead of any individuals right or freedom to personal choices.

    • ThorsteinVeblen2012
      ThorsteinVeblen2012
      November 15, 2013, 4:48 pm

      I’m surprised this same appeal isn’t made to help out poor Black, hispanic and white women here in America who have to make a difficult decision for economic reasons.

      Actually no, I’m not.

  3. W.Jones
    W.Jones
    November 15, 2013, 10:48 am

    God Blesses those who Bless Israel Based on Genesis 12:3

    OK, so I can just reinterpret what someone says, put quotes around it, and then attribute it to “based on ___”?

    (What it actually says is that God blesses those who bless Abraham.)

  4. pabelmont
    pabelmont
    November 15, 2013, 10:52 am

    Isn’t hasbara (P/R) wonderful? Full marks for this campaign.

    On the side of logic, however, one “strand” is very strange: how does Israel “face” a “demographic danger” when it openly discriminates against all non-Jews, and especially against the Palestinians living as refugees (1948, 1967) and/or living inside OPTs (many are in both groups)?

    Would Israel need to offer citizenship and the (unrestricted) vote to all these Palestinians in the event that they out-number Israeli-Jews? Nonsense! Indeed, some reports have it that the Palestinians who live today within Greater Israel already outnumber Israeli-Jews, and no harm done (that is to say, “so what?” from the perspective of Israeli-Jews “facing” a demographic problem). The Israeli-Jews greatly outnumber all non-Jews among the voting population of Greater Israel.

    Maybe the fearmongers think that a heavily Palestinian majority will somehow energize the international community of nations to “get on board” the BDS movement (which already has broad support among the citizens of those nations). How silly! Oh, well, some people will worry about anything!

    Why would the community of nations — which has ignored international law and international human rights standards for 46 years begin to attend to these inconvenient subjects (nasty, nasty inconvenient subjects) just because the Palestinians have a few more kids than the Israeli-Jews?

    But the ads, all told, are really swell! If I were pro-life or pro-Israeli-Jew, I’d appreciate them at an emotional level rather than only at an ad-technical level.

    And this morning on NPR, there was a discussion of China relaxing its one-child rule which (discussion) omitted to wring its hands over the dangers of world overpopulation. So Palestine is not the only “forbidden topic” on NPR! And a few more Greater-Israeli-Jewish (or Greater-Israeli-Palestinian) babies will be less than a drop in the bucket compared to the first year’s increase in Chinese births. From the international viewpoint that is. Perspective is everything.

    After all, it is precisely because perspective is everything (everything except reality, of course) that the great international corporations which rule the USA (via the oligarchy of corporate CEOs) have prevented action to oppose global warming: their perspective is short term profits, not long term life on earth! Cheerio!

    And I love kids! So, what, me worry? The ad is good!

    • pabelmont
      pabelmont
      November 15, 2013, 11:43 am

      Maybe I am wrong — the “demographic problem” is not about voting at all but about either the reality or the appearance (I don’t know which) of a Jewish minority ruling, discriminating against, dominating, oppressing (take your choice) a non-Jewish majority.

      I mean, I really don’t know how these people think (or feel)!

      Why get all touchy about the reality or the appearance of a Jewish minority ruling, discriminating against, dominating, oppressing (take your choice) a non-Jewish majority — when you are not in the least touchy about its near-cousin, the reality or the appearance of a Jewish minority ruling, discriminating against, dominating, oppressing (take your choice) a non-Jewish possibly-non-majority.

      You see how confusing the “threat” “facing” Israeli-Jews of arising from “demography” turns out to be?

      Of course, as many have said, Israel always (from before the beginning) wanted “the geography” of Palestine without the “demography” of Palestine. so, from that perspecitive, the “threat” is the possibility that Israeli-Jews, having pushed themselves into a (relatively) huge territory, find they don’t want to live among the people who live there, especially not if those people are a majority. See, it has nothing to do with voting at all, but just with a ghetto mentality — Israeli-Jews want (on this view) to live inside a ghetto (from which non-Jews are substantially excluded).

      You can take the Jew out of the ghetto but you cannot take the desire to live in a ghetto out of the Jews?

      Or is the “demographic” “threat” “facing” Israeli-Jews something else entirely?

      • seafoid
        seafoid
        November 15, 2013, 1:55 pm

        Middle class jewish ladies don’t

      • seafoid
        seafoid
        November 15, 2013, 1:57 pm

        want or can’t afford more kids. It is political economy. Yesha takes precedence. Rents are too high. Yesha will tear Israel apart. Again.

      • pabelmont
        pabelmont
        November 15, 2013, 4:58 pm

        But, jeez Louise, isn’t the Israeli formula (for women):

        Kinder, Küche, Kirche

        (so to speak, and of course rendered in flawless Yiddish, sorry, Hebrew). Das Vaterland needs those Jewish babies!!! In part, to be sure, to occupy all that newly acquired Lebensraum.

  5. eGuard
    eGuard
    November 15, 2013, 11:12 am

    Efrat, tell me. How do you guarantee that my money does not end up saving an Israeli Arab? How can I be sure that you won’t give it to a terrorist baby?

    • Shmuel
      Shmuel
      November 15, 2013, 3:51 pm

      Efrat, tell me. How do you guarantee that my money does not end up saving an Israeli Arab? How can I be sure that you won’t give it to a terrorist baby?

      I’m glad you asked that question, eGuard. It ain’t called “The Efrat Association for the Encouragement of Births in the Jewish People” (translation of full Hebrew name) for nothing. As one volunteer explained to Yisrael Hayom last year, “we don’t help non-Jewish women”. Not only can you rest assured that your money will not be used to help an Arab baby, it won’t even be used to help a “Russian” baby, whose mother isn’t 100% Jewish (they do background checks).

      http://www.israelhayom.co.il/site/newsletter_article.php?id=24821
      (Hebrew)

      • eljay
        eljay
        November 15, 2013, 4:01 pm

        >> … it won’t even be used to help a “Russian” baby, whose mother isn’t 100% Jewish (they do background checks).

        Oh, boy, those anti-Semites sure are going to get an earful from hophmeee!

        Unless, of course, this is one of his “it depends” cases and a “Russian” baby whose mother isn’t 100% Jewish doesn’t actually qualify as either a Jew or a member of the “Jewish community” (whatever that is, and he ain’t saying).

      • Shmuel
        Shmuel
        November 15, 2013, 4:12 pm

        I think the JP Christian Edition forgot to publish Efrat’s disclaimer in its fundraising appeal specifically aimed at Christians. It probably went something like this:

        Acceptance of donations from non-Jews should in no way be construed as an affirmation of the inherent and equal value of all human life.

      • pabelmont
        pabelmont
        November 15, 2013, 5:03 pm

        Nor should it be construed as an affirmation of the propriety that all Israeli Jews will convert to Christianity in the event of a war involving Megiddo (or other indications of “End Time”).

      • ckg
        ckg
        November 15, 2013, 8:32 pm

        If nuclear Jesus arrives at Megiddo with tanks they will recognize him as one of their own.

  6. bilal a
    bilal a
    November 15, 2013, 11:14 am

    There is no contradiction, abortion rights from the beginning have had , in practice, racial targets,eugenic motivations, and this continues:

    Black Genocide: ‘ The NEGRO PROJECT’
    http://blackgenocide.org/archived_articles/negro.html

    “f the Jewish community took as strong a stand on the immorality of most abortions as it does on keeping abortion legal, it would not only strengthen the pro-choice cause, it would bring moral honor to the Jewish people and to Judaism. That almost no non-Orthodox rabbis, let alone Jewish women’s groups and Jewish organizations preoccupied with social justice, have publicly expressed moral misgivings concerning any abortions is not a credit to Judaism or the Jewish people.

    This is one more reason one must sadly conclude that for many, perhaps most, Jews leftism has supplanted Judaism as their religion; Judaism has become largely a cultural expression and an ethnic identity. One way to reassert the primacy of Judaism would be for pro-choice Jews — again, especially rabbis — to publicly assert the difference between abortion’s legality and most abortions’ morality.”
    Dennis Prager is a nationally syndicated radio talk show host…
    http://www.jewishjournal.com/dennis_prager/article/jews_and_abortion

  7. Mike_Konrad
    Mike_Konrad
    November 15, 2013, 11:25 am

    Efrat has been around for years.

    I heard them on Israel National Radio about 7 years ago, give or take.

    My understanding is that the group does NOT advocate making abortion illegal in Israel. So technically a pro-choicer is not being inconsistent in supporting Efrat.

    From what I remember – AND I COULD BE WRONG – they do not help Arab-Israelis, just Jewish-Israelis.

    I do not see anything wrong with saving babies.

    Perhaps, you should start a group to save Arab-babies from abortion in Israel. I suspect there are very few.

    • eGuard
      eGuard
      November 15, 2013, 4:50 pm

      Mike Konrad: … they do not help Arab-Israelis, just Jewish-Israelis.

      No reflex when you wrote that? Heard no bells ringing? Seen no red flag raised?

    • German Lefty
      German Lefty
      November 15, 2013, 5:32 pm

      The group does NOT advocate making abortion illegal in Israel.

      Of course, they don’t advocate making abortion illegal in Israel. But that’s only because they want Palestinian-Israeli women to have abortions.

      I do not see anything wrong with saving babies.

      Yes, as long as these babies are Jewish. Besides, a fetus is not a baby.

    • ckg
      ckg
      November 15, 2013, 9:10 pm

      We have some folks in the states trying to save white America from what they call its demographic threat by promoting larger families among whites. I think they would love to hear you.

    • Shingo
      Shingo
      November 15, 2013, 10:30 pm

      I do not see anything wrong with saving babies.

      Then you would be disgusted at a policy of not saving others that can be saved but are being allowed to die because they are not Jewish.

      How would you feel about a policy of saving only white babies?

  8. Mike_Konrad
    Mike_Konrad
    November 15, 2013, 11:26 am

    The JPOST has a Christian edition?

    What is in the Jewish edition that we don’t get to see?

  9. Marco
    Marco
    November 15, 2013, 12:24 pm

    The fact that Chuck Schumer, who passes for a stalwart liberal leader in the Senate and as a pro-choice champion, actually supports a pro-life group *in* Israel is evidence of a breathtaking level of hypocrisy and double-dealing.

    Imagine an Irish politician who advocates gay rights and same-sex marriage in America but who meanwhile supports gay conversion therapy in Ireland.

    It’s unthinkable.

  10. FreddyV
    FreddyV
    November 15, 2013, 12:36 pm

    “God blesses those who bless Israel – Based on Genesis 12:3”

    Actually, God was talking to Abraham. Israel didn’t exist.

  11. HarryLaw
    HarryLaw
    November 15, 2013, 12:42 pm

    Egad’s that map of Israel does not include Judea and Samaria. If the supporters of this campaign agreed with the borders of that map, which look like they correspond to the legal borders declared in 1948 by the Israeli Government, then a Jewish majority would be in place for the foreseeable future.

  12. James Canning
    James Canning
    November 15, 2013, 2:04 pm

    Very interesting piece.

  13. German Lefty
    German Lefty
    November 15, 2013, 3:26 pm

    Israel is currently fighting a demographic war for her survival.
    OMG! That’s so disgusting!

    • Mayhem
      Mayhem
      November 15, 2013, 6:28 pm

      @German Lefty, and the significant Arab immigration to Palestine leading up to 1948 that was taking advantage of the Zionists revitalisation of the country was that not opportunistic (disgusting using your phraseology) demographics?

      • annie
        annie
        November 15, 2013, 10:51 pm

        you’ve been reading too much joan peters mayhem.

      • Shingo
        Shingo
        November 15, 2013, 11:03 pm

        and the significant Arab immigration to Palestine leading up to 1948 that was taking advantage of the Zionists revitalisation of the country was that not opportunistic (disgusting using your phraseology) demographics?

        Didn’t happen, but even if it did, why would it be opportunistic or disgusting?

        Does that not make the fact that one million Israelis live abroad opportunistic and disgusting too?

      • American
        American
        November 16, 2013, 10:57 am

        The zionist revitalization brought Arabs to Palestine?

        Making up history again eh?
        “If’ you ever read any history that wasnt zio propaganda you would know that Palestine Arabs had a thriving trade and farming economy long before Jews ever moved into Palestine.
        The Palestine population historically, like many others around the world, ebbed and flowed mainly according to natural phenomenons like droughts and crop failures—much like the US dust bowl disaster that made people relocate–and then return and restart.

      • Hostage
        Hostage
        November 16, 2013, 11:30 am

        @German Lefty, and the significant Arab immigration to Palestine leading up to 1948 that was taking advantage of the Zionists revitalisation of the country was that not opportunistic (disgusting using your phraseology) demographics?

        There was no “significant Arab immigration” to Palestine. The UNSCOP report did note that Jewish capital investment, that resulted from the flood of Jewish immigration had affected the country’s exchange economy and Arab life. But many of those exchanges that resulted in increased Arab income, were tied to acquisition of land from the Arab inhabitants, not from any immigrants.

        The UNSCOP report also noted that the Arab economy remained almost totally isolated from the Jewish one and attributed some of the rise in the standard of living among Palestinian Arabs to good old fashioned competitiveness between the two sectors:

        Apart from a small number of experts, no Jewish workers are employed in Arab undertakings, and apart from citrus groves (where some Arabs work as seasonal labourers on Jewish farms), very few Arabs are employed in Jewish enterprises. Indeed, government service, the Potash Company and the Oil Refinery are almost the only places where Arabs and Jews meet as coworkers in the same organizations. . . . Moreover, the great investment of capital associated with Jewish immigration has, in developing the Jewish economy, profoundly affected Arab life, increasing money incomes and the extent to which Arabs have become concerned with an exchange economy. Competition and a sense of pride on the part of the Arabs have also had their share in raising Arab standards of living. Nevertheless, the economic relations between the two groups have something of the character of trade between different nations. As consumers, their separateness is less marked, but as producers (with the main exception of the citrus industry) they maintain a degree of separateness unyielding, thus far, to the pressure of the economic forces which might have been expected to bring about a greater degree of homogeneity. When all this is considered, it is not the few instances of the submergence of differences between Arab and Jew in common economic interests which are remarkable, but the fact that such instances are so few as to be unusual. — United Nations Special Committee on Palestine Report to the General Assembly, A/364, 3 September 1947

      • Mayhem
        Mayhem
        November 16, 2013, 7:10 pm

        This issue of Arab immigration into Palestine cannot be dismissed without looking at the facts – usually too much effort for propagandists. The situation is not black and white (it never usually is), but the tendency always by the Mondoweiss rank and file is to simplify the facts (too complex for the typical pro-Palestinian activist to digest), so that there can be no rational argument or discussion.
        Robbins has used this kind of tactic – she thinks that by just attributing my remarks to those of Joan Peters (who I have not read), a discredited source in these precincts, that my argument is summarily dismissed. Now that is a disingenuous tactic, but hardly unexpected. American lets rip with some hostile, unsupported opiniation. Shingo fires in some of his typical bluster – he reckons if he can assert something strongly enough that his bluster will do the job of keeping back the ‘hasbrats’. Resorting to such demeaning or abusive language seriously diminishes the credibility of the exponent of such
        derogatoriness. Hostage does somewhat better by actually quoting a third party reference. However the UNSCOP report he has mentioned did NOT deal at all with the topic of Arab immigration to Palestine, it is totally
        irrelevant to the current discussion.
        A comprehensive discussion of the subject of Arab immigration to
        Palestine can be found in a seminal paper by Fred M. Gottheil, professor in the department of economics, University of Illinois – “The Smoking Gun: Arab
        Immigration into Palestine, 1922-1931” at http://www.meforum.org/522/the-smoking-gun-arab-immigration-into-Palestine which points out that the situation is not black and white.

        I quote the conclusions from Gottheil paper:

        Therein lies the ideological warfare concerning claims to territorial inheritance and national sovereignty. Contrary to McCarthy’s findings or wishes, there is every reason to believe that consequential immigration of Arabs into and within Palestine occurred during the Ottoman and British mandatory periods. Among the most compelling arguments in support of such immigration is the universally acknowledged and practiced linkage between regional economic disparities and migratory impulses.

        The precise magnitude of Arab immigration into and within Palestine is, as Bachi noted, unknown. Lack of completeness in Ottoman registration lists and British Mandatory censuses, and the immeasurable illegal, unreported, and undetected immigration during both periods make any estimate a bold venture into creative analysis. In most cases, those venturing into the realm of Palestinian demography—or other demographic analyses based on very crude data—acknowledge its limitations and the tentativeness of the conclusions that may be drawn.

        So at the end of the day we must conclude there was significant
        illegal Arab immigration into Palestine alongside Jewish immigration – the exact numbers however are difficult to assess.

      • Hostage
        Hostage
        November 16, 2013, 11:17 pm

        This issue of Arab immigration into Palestine cannot be dismissed without looking at the facts

        LOL! So why do you cite the conclusion from an economist, who simply asks everyone to “believe” in the “unknown”, “immeasurable”, “unreported”, and “undetected immigration”? Nothing makes his analysis a less “creative venture” or more factual than the conclusions of the Ottoman or British officials on the scene, or historians, and demographers like U.O. Schmelz and Justin McCarthy who find no conclusive evidence for anything other than internal migration?

        Hostage does somewhat better by actually quoting a third party
        reference. However the UNSCOP report he has mentioned did NOT deal at all with the topic of Arab immigration to Palestine, it is totally
        irrelevant to the current discussion.

        I’ve already commented at length here in the past about that article and the studies which found no evidence that Zionists created a significant number of jobs for illegal Arab immigrants. I pointed out that the meforum article is based upon sheer conjecture and doesn’t cite a single specific example or source which actually supports Gottheil’s claims. I also noted that it’s a fact that the few documentary sources that do exist demonstrate beyond any doubt that there were half a million Arab inhabitants and that all of the notable families, tribes, and clans of Palestine were already there by the time of the first Aliya and that most had already been there for hundreds of years. Nothing Gottheil has to say about unknowable or undetected immigration alters those competing claims of the known Palestinian inhabitants, e.g. http://mondoweiss.net/2012/07/adelson-backed-ad-campaign-features-jewish-dem-claiming-netanyahu-represents-all-jews.html#comment-479643

      • annie
        annie
        November 16, 2013, 11:53 pm

        lol, i can’t believe i am reading this!

        The precise magnitude of Arab immigration into and within Palestine is, as Bachi noted, unknown. Lack of completeness in Ottoman registration lists and British Mandatory censuses, and the immeasurable illegal, unreported, and undetected immigration during both periods make any estimate a bold venture into creative analysis.

        So at the end of the day we must conclude there was significant illegal Arab immigration into Palestine alongside Jewish immigration – …

        no, there is absolutely no reason ‘at the end of the day ‘ to conclude there was significant illegal Arab immigration into Palestine . is this what passes for logic down at hasbara central?

        mayhem, you made a claim and have not offered any evidence to back it up. just a bunch of ad hominem paragraphs about posters here.

      • tree
        tree
        November 17, 2013, 12:04 am

        Mayhem, your reading comprehension leaves a lot to be desired. Somehow you got this…

        So at the end of the day we must conclude there was significant
        illegal Arab immigration into Palestine…

        from what you claim is a supporting study which you quoted as saying this:

        The precise magnitude of Arab immigration into and within Palestine is, as Bachi noted, unknown. Lack of completeness in Ottoman registration lists and British Mandatory censuses, and the immeasurable illegal, unreported, and undetected immigration during both periods make any estimate a bold venture into creative analysis. In most cases, those venturing into the realm of Palestinian demography—or other demographic analyses based on very crude data—acknowledge its limitations and the tentativeness of the conclusions that may be drawn.

        …and from this you deduce that the study is supporting your contention that there was “significant” Arab immigration ? This is a classic case of someone (you, in this instance) seeing what he wants to see, rather than what is there. Try again, because this source does NOT support your argument.

      • annie
        annie
        November 17, 2013, 12:44 am

        Robbins has used this kind of tactic – she thinks that by just attributing my remarks to those of Joan Peters (who I have not read), a discredited source in these precincts, that my argument is summarily dismissed.

        you have no ‘argument’. your so called ‘argument’ was asking if your unsupported allegation was opportunistic. iow “do you think mayhem beat his wife because it was opportunistic?”

        you’ve offered nothing whatsoever to back up your initial claim. meanwhile you launch into some bs predictions of others that perfectly fit your MO when it’s you who “lets rip with some hostile, unsupported opiniation” it’s you who “fires in some of his typical bluster – ..reckons if he can assert something strongly enough that his bluster will do the job”..and you ” quoting a third party reference”, albeit a completely lame one.

        my snark, referencing joan peters, is one source your hasbara was cooked and later fried. the only reason your allegation got published here (because frankly it falls into ‘myth’ the same myth as claiming ‘a land w/no people for a people w/no land’) is for the opportunity for your bs to get chewed up and spit out once again, which i knew it would.

        it has been over 30 hours since you poster your allegation, and there has not been one post, once shred of evidence presented by you, nothing. massive #HasbaraFail.

      • Shingo
        Shingo
        November 17, 2013, 1:51 am

        This issue of Arab immigration into Palestine cannot be dismissed without looking at the facts – usually too much effort for propagandists.

        The only facts your link mentions is the fact that there is no evidence to support the “creative analysis” it resorts to in order to come to it’s unsupported conclusion.

      • Shingo
        Shingo
        November 17, 2013, 1:57 am

        I’ve already commented at length here in the past about that article and the studies which found no evidence that Zionists created a significant number of jobs for illegal Arab immigrants.

        In fact, Ben Gurion stated openly that the Jewish economy should exclude Arabs. Miko Peled documents in his book that the Zionist leadership implemented the policy they referred to as Hafrada, which imposed segregation and exclusion.

        So Arabs stood to gain nothing from any economic activity the Jewish immigrants might have created.

      • talknic
        talknic
        November 17, 2013, 3:40 am

        @ Mayhem “This issue of Arab immigration into Palestine cannot be dismissed without looking at the facts “

        EXACTLY!! FACTS! Point the way to some …. http://talknic.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/waiting_for_the_israeli_propagandist.gif

      • Mayhem
        Mayhem
        November 17, 2013, 7:35 am

        The Gottheil study makes a number of key points that strongly suggest
        there was significant illegal Arab immigration that has never been
        properly accounted for. Gottheil’s conclusion may sound ambiguous, but his analysis is based on rational conjecture and economic analysis.
        Hostage, you have a problem with imputation theory? To demean
        Gottheil’s argument because it comes from the mind of an economist only goes to demonstrate your naked bias and contempt for a particular
        profession. You don’t not have any figures or substantive argument
        to prove otherwise – all you can do is try to dismantle the argument
        of the other side offering nothing consequential in its place other
        than your own polemic. Hostage, what reference are you quoting when you say that “most (Arab inhabitants) had already been there for hundreds of years” – not the pro-Palestinian propaganda handbook?
        McCarthy is readily dispatched by Gottheil noting that firstly McCarthy

        contends that even if the illegal immigrants were
        unreported on entry, their deaths in Palestine would have been
        registered. So too, he argues, would their children born in Palestine.
        Deriving estimates based on such registrations, he arrives at this
        conclusion: immigration was minimal. But he provides no evidence to show that these supposed registrations of births and deaths were actually made

        and secondly

        McCarthy’s numbers are based, in part, on Bachi’s
        reporting of 900 illegal Arab immigrants per year over the period
        1931-45. But McCarthy misrepresents what Bachi’s estimate is meant to
        show. Bachi is careful to identify his 900-per-year illegal Arab
        immigration estimate as only those discovered by the mandatory
        authorities. Illegal Arab immigration that went undetected and
        unreported is not included.

        If you read the full article by Gottheil there is a strong case made,
        stronger than any opposing case, to support the conclusion I made
        before. Gottheil expresses it this way

        it provides strong circumstantial evidence that the
        illegal Arab immigration into Palestine, like that within Palestine,
        was of consequence as well

        Without any properly considered counter to Gottheil’s allbeit
        non-specific conclusions they still stand as the best estimate of what
        happened.

      • Shingo
        Shingo
        November 17, 2013, 9:49 am

        The Gottheil study makes a number of key points that strongly suggest there was significant illegal Arab immigration that has never been
        properly accounted for.

        No, it makes a number of assumptions based on spurious logic.

        Gottheil’s conclusion may sound ambiguous, but his analysis is based on rational conjecture and economic analysis.

        No, it is ambiguous because his argument are selective and superficial. For example, he insists that the economic activity in from Jewish immigrants would have attracted Arab immigrants, but omits the fact that Arabs in Palestine were excluded from this economy.

        You don’t not have any figures or substantive argument
        to prove otherwise

        Gottheil has no figures at all and admits it. He doesn’t even define what he means by significant.

        all you can do is try to dismantle the argument
        of the other side offering nothing consequential in its place other
        than your own polemic.

        That’s exactly what Gottheil does in his piece. Unable to cite any facts, any figures or any evidence, he resorts to trying to dismantle McCarthy’s fact and arguments – based on documents, by offering nothing consequential in its place other than his own polemic.

        McCarthy is readily dispatched by Gottheil noting that firstly McCarthy

        He dispatches nothing.

        He simply argues that because “Illegal Arab immigration that went undetected and unreported ” that this must somehow prove the numbers were large. In fact, it’s pretty clear that the numbers that went unreported would have been a small percentage.

        If you read the full article by Gottheil there is a strong case made, stronger than any opposing case, to support the conclusion I made
        before.

        No, because if his case was strong, he wouldn’t have ventured into “creative analysis” as opposed to empirical analysis.

        For example, he continues to claim that employment opportunities would have generated labor mobility while ignoring the fact that the Zionists were very explicitly NOT offering employment to non Jews. He falsely claims this went unreported, when in fact, it is well documented.

        Without any properly considered counter to Gottheil’s allbeit non-specific conclusions they still stand as the best estimate of what
        happened.

        False. He presents a conclusion based on false assumptions and flawed analysis.

        Gottheil’s arguments are dead on arrival, which is why it is not considered legitimate in academic circles.

      • Citizen
        Citizen
        November 17, 2013, 10:50 am

        @ Shingo
        Further, to the extent Arabs immigrated to Palestine during the time period in question, for reasons of expanding economic opportunity in the area, any such opportunity was not peculiar to Palestine per se, but to the whole area–in short, Jews per se had nothing to do with furnishing this opportunity–see Wikipedia on this demographic subject. And that’s not even including that Zionists intentionally did not hire Arabs for their enterprise in the region.

      • MHughes976
        MHughes976
        November 17, 2013, 12:52 pm

        I certainly wouldn’t want to base a conclusion about numbers on an argument which offers no figures! However, even if it were completely demonstrated that very, very many of those who suffered in 1948 had been illegal immigrants what would change? They were still human beings and being excluded from customary place of residence – at least by anything other than a fair deportation process permitting representations and appeals – is more, ever so much more, than illegal immigrants deserve. And if you want to stress the illegal status of some and say that this justifies horrible suffering then you leave the horrible suffering of those who were not illegal immigrants looking even more starkly unjustified. Mind you, I think that some of those who triumphed in 48 were illegal immigrants too.

      • Hostage
        Hostage
        November 17, 2013, 3:06 pm

        The Gottheil study makes a number of key points that strongly suggest
        there was significant illegal Arab immigration that has never been
        properly accounted for. . . . McCarthy is readily dispatched by Gottheil

        No he doesn’t. He attempts to make arguments from silence or ignorance, even in cases where his sources supply facts that contradict his thesis. Follow these links and you’ll see that Gottheil simply misrepresents what his sources actually have to say about the subject. When you do that, you only look smart to people like yourself, who aren’t familiar with Gottheil’s sources.
        * http://mondoweiss.net/2012/07/adelson-backed-ad-campaign-features-jewish-dem-claiming-netanyahu-represents-all-jews.html/comment-page-1#comment-479643

        * http://mondoweiss.net/2012/07/adelson-backed-ad-campaign-features-jewish-dem-claiming-netanyahu-represents-all-jews.html/comment-page-1#comment-479648

        There couldn’t have been any “illegal” immigration during the Ottoman era, since Palestine was an integral part of Arabia or Arabistan as the Ottomans referred to the entire Arabian subcontinent and homeland. The Ottoman’s had a military empire there without any international boundaries. Those were only created after-the fact by the British and French mandatory powers. According to historians and authors who specialized in the Ottoman period, like those cited below, the entire region composed of Cilicia, Syria, Mount Lebanon, Palestine, Iraq, and the southern Arabian Peninsula were under the jurisdiction of the “Arabistan Ordusu”, i.e. the Provincial Ottoman Army of Arabia. A number of sources attest to the fact that the inhabitants called the region “the Land of the Arabs” (bilad al-Arab) and that its major divisions were bilad al Sham (Syria), bilad al-Yaman (the Land of the southern Peninsula), and Bilad al-Iraq (the Land of the River Banks). Eventually, those portions of the peninsula were called jazirat al-Arab, after the term bilad al-Yaman became more closely connected with the southwestern part of the peninsula. See for example the accounts written by William Perry Fogg about his travels in Palestine in the book “Travels and adventures in Arabistan”; Stanford J. Shaw, Ezel Kural Shaw, “History of the Ottoman Empire and Modern Turkey”, Cambridge University Press, 1977, page 85; Caesar E. Farah, The Politics of Interventionism in Ottoman Lebanon, 1830-1861, I.B.Tauris, 2000, page 417; Kamal Suleiman Salibi, “A House of Many Mansions: The History of Lebanon Reconsidered”, University of California Press, 1988, pages 60-61; Joseph Mary Nagle Jeffries “Palestine: the reality”, Hyperion Press, 1939, page 4; Jane Degras, The Communist International 1919-1943, Taylor & Francis Group, page 79, and George Antonius, The Arab Awakening: The Story of the Arab National Movement, Hamish Hamilton, 1938.

        But he provides no evidence to show that these supposed registrations of births and deaths were actually made

        That’s an argument from silence and nonsensical. The Commissioner for Migration even stripped the rights of Arabs who were citizens of Transjordan. It was part of the Mandate itself, but the inhabitants were treated as foreign aliens and deprived of Palestinian citizenship regardless of any on-going connection to property or family in Palestine. The Supreme Court of Palestine upheld that decision in Jawdat Badawi Sha’ban v Commissioner for Migration and Statistics when that determination was legally challenged on appeal. The High Court confirmed that Transjordan was a foreign state for the purposes of Article 15 of the Palestine Citizenship Order and that criminal investigations were in order when Arabs from Transjordan attempted to obtain Palestinian passports, & etc. on the basis Palestinian citizenship. See Hersh Lauterpacht (editor), “States as international persons”, in “International Law Reports”, Cambridge University Press, 1994, page 17

      • Hostage
        Hostage
        November 17, 2013, 5:55 pm

        Gottheil’s conclusion may sound ambiguous, but his analysis is based on rational conjecture and economic analysis.

        In light of the facts reported by the UNSCOP and other economists, they are fanciful bullshit. See for example Barbara Jean Smith, The Roots of Separatism in Palestine: British Economic Policy, 1920-1929, Syracuse University Press, 1993. No one but Zionist propagandists “suggest” that Zionist immigration or capital attracted “significant” numbers of illegal Arab immigrants. Smith notes that the monopolies granted to the Zionists in 1921 actually delayed public works that had already been planned and requested by Arab municipalities. For example, she noted that the city of Jaffa had requested a concession to use the Auja River for electric lighting in 1920, but had been turned down by the British authorities (page 121). So in many cases, the claimed benefits of “Zionist revitalization” would have taken place in any event, with or without Jewish immigration.

        There were a number of Royal Commission reports which explained that it was almost impossible to find employment for local Arabs who had been displaced by Zionist land purchases.

        In many cases, even Jewish immigrants could only be employed on public works projects by sharing revenues collected from the prosperous Arab agricultural sector to create jobs for them that would have otherwise gone to members of the indigenous Arab population. So tax contributions from the Arab sector were always a significant part of the “economic absorptive capacity of the country” along with the obvious advantages derived from government-franchised monopolies that the British had simply given the Zionists on a non-competitive basis.

      • Shingo
        Shingo
        November 17, 2013, 6:01 pm

        Mind you, I think that some of those who triumphed in 48 were illegal immigrants too.

        A significant number in fact.

      • Mayhem
        Mayhem
        November 18, 2013, 1:18 am

        @Hostage I eagerly await you elaborating on your statement “most (Arab inhabitants) had already been there for hundreds of years”.

      • Mayhem
        Mayhem
        November 18, 2013, 1:24 am

        Shingo, the champion of bluff and bluster.

        No, it makes a number of assumptions based on spurious logic.

        Spurious logic – please explain.

        omits the fact that Arabs in Palestine were excluded from this economy

        Gottheil has a table in his article where he contrasts the standard of
        living enjoyed by Arab Palestinians to the standards in other Middle
        East economies. As Bachi stated, “The success of these beginnings of
        modernization could not have been lost on Arab Palestinians nor on
        Arabs living in adjacent economies.”
        Notwithstanding the separation between Jews and Arabs in the economy, the overall economy was obviously on the move.
        I reiterate your failure to address the bland fact that

        You don’t not have any figures or substantive argument to prove otherwise

        And this Shingoism

        It’s pretty clear that the numbers that went unreported
        would have been a small percentage

        is nothing more than your opinion. And in the next one, which academic circles are you speaking of? Source and reference please?

        Gottheil’s arguments are dead on arrival, which is why it
        is not considered legitimate in academic circles

      • Hostage
        Hostage
        November 18, 2013, 6:44 am

        @Hostage I eagerly await you elaborating on your statement “most (Arab inhabitants) had already been there for hundreds of years”.

        Correction: I didn’t say the “inhabitants”, I said the notable families, tribes, and clans of Palestine were already there by the time of the first Aliya and that most [families, tribes, and clans of Palestine] had already been there for hundreds of years. I gave you a link that elaborated on that subject and even gave you some examples. Here is the text from that other comment:

        The 19th century British Foreign Office Confidential Prints FO 424 series and early 20th century Arab Bureau Papers FO 882 series relate that the origins of the Husayni (aka al-Husseini), Khalidi, Nashashibi, ‘Abd al-Hadi, Tuqan families, and the major clans and tribes – including the Beersheba Bedouin – pre-date the first Zionist Aliya and that all of the groups had been settled there for centuries. Most of the inhabitants today can trace their ancestry to one or more of the families named in the 19th century British consular reports.

        I look forward to you learning how to read.

      • Shingo
        Shingo
        November 18, 2013, 7:03 am

        Spurious logic – please explain.

        Example 1.

        As Hostage pointed out, No one but Zionist propagandists “suggest” that Zionist immigration or capital attracted “significant” numbers of illegal Arab immigrants.

        Example 2.
        Gottheil argues that because there might have been illegal immigrants to Palestine that were not documented, that this must prove the number of illegal immigrants was “significant.

        Gottheil has a table in his article where he contrasts the standard of living enjoyed by Arab Palestinians to the standards in other Middle East economies.

        But he makes the baseless assumption that this standard of living was attributed to the economic activity created by Jewish immigration, when as Hostage pointed out, this was not the case.

        Notwithstanding the separation between Jews and Arabs in the economy, the overall economy was obviously on the move.

        The economy might have been on the move, but that does not mean the population was. Gottheil does not say it was obvious, he assumes that it must have happened because historically that’s what tends to happen.

        And this Shingoism

        No, it’s calling out your bullshit. Gottheil admits he has no numbers, no facts, no evidence and yet you insist his conclusion is more credible than those who have produced facts and evidence.

        is nothing more than your opinion.

        Gottheil’s piece is nothing more than his opinion. Why would the unreported numbers be larger than official numbers?

      • Hostage
        Hostage
        November 18, 2013, 7:04 am

        Gottheil has a table in his article where he contrasts the standard of living enjoyed by Arab Palestinians to the standards in other Middle East economies.

        What would that comparison prove about the causes of any gaps? The rise in the standard of living in Palestine was attributed to factors, like Palestinian competitiveness, by the UNSCOP and other economists. They also noted that the government-franchised monopolies the British had simply granted the Zionists on a non-competitive basis actually circumvented pre-existing Palestinian plans to industrialize their own country on their own behalf and that their was a great deal of subtrefuge and propaganda to disguise the corrupt nature of those monopolies:

        Zionist aims and Rutenberg’s commitment to them precluded his concession’s becoming a showpiece of Jewish enterprise undertaken in the interests of the entire Palestinian population. With hindsight, it is easy to be critical of British gullibility. Rutenberg reported to the British press: “My whole conception of the undertaking is that of a public utility independent of race. We are not interested in politics. We shall cooperate with both Jews and Arabs. . . . Both Jewish and Arab labour will be employed in the construction and working of the power-houses. I am trying to obtain the services of an Arab engineer to supervise the operating of the power-houses.”14
        Sentiments echoing the Rutenberg line were being aired officially in London.15 Rutenberg refrained from waving the Zionist banner in public, and British officials in Palestine regarded him simply as an eccentric obsessed with water power. It is curious, however, that members of the Colonial Office did not clearly appreciate the nationalistic nature of the concession. Rutenberg forwarded a report during 1921 stating: “Palestine will be Jewish only if the entire work relative to the building up of Jewish life will be carried out by Jewish workers . . . the rebuilding of Palestine by Arab labour would result in the creation of an Arab and not a Jewish Palestine, irrespective of the amount of Jewish capital drawn in.” 16 Privately in Zionist circles it was conceded that to stem the tide of Arab opposition, “some” Arabs should be employed and others should be bought off “possibly by backsheesh.” 17
        The extent of the subterfuge can be seen clearly in Rutenberg’s negotiations with the Brandeis-Mack group in America, from whom he hoped to receive generous financial backing. He told Judge Mack that he never intended to cede his rights to any company or institution “but the Jewish People.” To avoid the possibility of control passing out of Jewish hands, he outlined a plan whereby a holding company would be formed, with membership limited to institutions of a Jewish national character, which would retain most of the rights of the concession, while a subsidiary company would be formed with membership open to the public, although at least 40 percent of the shares would be retained by the holding company. “For political reasons, the subsidiary Company only is to figure publicly, the Holding Company always keeping in the background.” — page 120

        link to books.google.com

        So the secret to Jewish success was the ability to plunder Palestinian natural resources in order to fund their conquest and the British gave them those long term monopolies on a silver platter. Any useful idiot could have done the rest.

      • talknic
        talknic
        November 18, 2013, 7:24 am

        @ Mayhem “The Gottheil study makes a number of key points that strongly suggest”

        I strongly suggest that strongly suggested speculation is quite simply speculation. Not fact, not evidence.

      • Darcha
        Darcha
        November 18, 2013, 7:28 am

        Except that your Middle East Forum article by Prof Gottheil is a fraud–and a deliberate one.
        The first demographic reference made in ‘Smoking Gun’ is of U.O. Schmelz’ work on 1905 data. (Interesting data, by the way.) Here’s Schmelz: http://tinyurl.com/66hazt4 .Your article says: ‘of those Arab Palestinians born outside their localities of residence, approximately half represented intra-Palestine movement—from areas of low-level economic activity to areas of higher-level activity—while the other half represented Arab immigration into Palestine itself’. What Gottheil chooses to ignore is that Schmelz estimated (averaging the figures from Table 1.8) that 93.85% of Palestinian Muslims were born in their current locality of residence, 5.2% were born elsewhere in Palestine, and 1.6% were born outside Palestine. 93.4% of Palestine Christians were born in their current locality (again averaging from Table 1.8), 3.0% were born elsewhere in Palestine, and 3.6% were born outside Palestine. (see also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D…). This is pretty bad sleight of hand. What Gottheil leaves out is that the half in question is half of a tiny minority.
        It’s much the same when he mentions that Schmelz tabulated the places of birth of persons living in the Jerusalem and Hebron districts in 1905, but carefully avoids stating Schmelz’s figures. The percentage of Muslims born outside Palestine: Jerusalem city 11.7%, Jerusalem villages 0.4%, Hebron city 0.8%, Hebron villages 0.8%. In other words, Gottheil is discussing a very small fraction of the total population but hides that fact from us. Another example is how he keeps referring to the 1931 census but never mentions the entire section on illegal immigration that appears in the 1931 census report.
        Even more bald-faced is this: Gottheil: ‘[Schmelz] did acknowledge that “stable population models assume the absence of external migrations, a condition which was obviously not met
        by all the subpopulations”.’ What is left out of Gottheil’s quotation is ‘…subpopulations of Table 1.6’, which is a breakdown of age and sex, not origin. (See footnote 54, page 61 of the Google Books version linked above.) In other words, single men migrate more.
        I could go on and on. Gottheil is not a professional in the field of demography, or even in history, and there are no professional demographers that support his allegations.

      • Mayhem
        Mayhem
        November 18, 2013, 5:51 pm

        @Hostage, I look forward to you learning how to count back hundreds of years. A British Office Arabist opinion piece that assumes that all of the groups you mentioned had been settled in Palestine for centuries proves nothing – it is just based on hearsay and conjecture. People speaking opportunistically with political voices, not connected to deep historical roots to any particular location. What Palestine? The Palestine that is Syria or Jordan today?

        From wikipedia on the Palestinian people (refer
        en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_people): “The historical record
        continued to reveal an interplay between ‘Arab’ and ‘Palestinian’
        identities and nationalism. The idea of a unique Palestinian state
        separated out from its Arab neighbors was at first rejected by
        Palestinian representatives. The First Congress of Muslim-Christian
        Associations (in Jerusalem, February 1919), which met for the purpose of selecting a Palestinian Arab representative for the Paris Peace Conference, adopted the following resolution: “We consider Palestine as part of Arab Syria, as it has never been separated from it at any time. We are connected with it by national, religious, linguistic,
        natural, economic and geographical bonds.”

      • Hostage
        Hostage
        November 18, 2013, 7:49 pm

        A British Office Arabist opinion piece that assumes that all of the groups you mentioned had been settled in Palestine for centuries proves nothing

        I hate to burst your bubble, but I mentioned consular reports in the Foreign Office series. Those contained summaries of English documentary records about contacts between the British Consuls and Palestinian notables, or clan and tribal leaders, including details about the lineages and history of the local tribal federations that dated-back hundreds of years.

        For example, in 1583, Richard Forster was appointed as England’s first Consul to Tripoli, Aleppo, Damascus, Jerusalem, Amman, and all other port cities in Syria and Palestine. In that same year John Barret was already operating in Aleppo as an acting English Consul. The Consuls and the Levant Company were well acquainted and familiar with the Palestinian notables, clans, and tribes because they were the local Ottoman officials in many cases.

        That situation remained unchanged when the British began to administer the country. They relied upon the Husseinis, Khalidis, Nashashibis, ‘Abd al-Hadis, and Tuqan families, and the leaders of the major clans and tribes – including the Beersheba Bedouin.

  14. eGuard
    eGuard
    November 15, 2013, 5:33 pm

    Nah. I stick to my Friends of the IDF donations. Way more efficient to tip the demographic thread, one life ate the time.

  15. Rusty Pipes
    Rusty Pipes
    November 15, 2013, 7:45 pm

    Then again, if Jewish women weren’t pressured to be “mattresses” for their male colleagues in the IDF, maybe there would be a lower rate of unintended pregnancies and abortions. The militarized state, a culture that glorifies “masculine” values and denigrates “feminine” ones, and the devaluing of female control of their bodies help contribute to more Jewish conceptions. Now if they could only discourage Jewish women from having abortions, they might make a dent in the Demographic Problem. With the increasing influence of the Jewish Right in Israeli politics, who knows whether Jewish Israeli women will continue to have abortion as a choice?

    • Mayhem
      Mayhem
      November 16, 2013, 3:07 am

      if Jewish women weren’t pressured to be “mattresses”

      If Rusty Pipes hadn’t uttered his contemptuous sexist phrase then I
      wouldn’t have been pressured to tell him what a sod he is. Israel
      hardly denigrates women as they participate fully in the IDF. Your
      vile, ill-considered remarks Rusty Pipes aren’t worth the cyber
      storage they’re embedded on.

      • eGuard
        eGuard
        November 16, 2013, 5:50 am

        Mayhem: Israel hardly denigrates women … in the IDF

        You forgot to limit this to “Jewish women”. Your are saying: “once racially selected, all women are equal”. I prefer Rusty Pipes phrasing.

      • Xpat
        Xpat
        November 16, 2013, 10:10 am

        I have to agree with Mayhem’s objection to the tone of this comment.
        What is the evidence linking unwanted pregnancies to the IDF’s machismo? How does that compare to the US military and its pervasive abusive culture towards women?

      • Citizen
        Citizen
        November 16, 2013, 2:51 pm

        @ Mayhem
        Not sure precisely what you mean with the blanket statement that women participate fully in the IDF. There are several reasons that confer exemption from military service in Israel to the person involved; some only apply to men, others apply only to women, and others to both sexes. These include, inter alia, according to Wikipedia:

        “Marriage, pregnancy or parenthood (for women only), in accordance with section 39 of the Security Service Law.
        Exemption for religious reasons (for women only), in accordance with sections 39 and 40 of the Security Service Law.
        Studying in a Yeshiva might allow the postponement of recruitment in six months, and after that one might more easily be granted a postponement for an additional six months and so on, without any limitations, as long as the student continues his studies in the Yeshiva (for men only). This exemption is called Torato Omanuto and is enshrined in the Tal Law.”

      • Rusty Pipes
        Rusty Pipes
        November 16, 2013, 6:56 pm

        “Mattresses” is a disgusting term for women soldiers — it comes from the IDF, where “the clerk of a medium-sized unit … will be known as ‘the mattress of the unit'” and “new female recruits, ‘fresh mattresses.'” I picked up that information from a book you have characterized as the I Hate Israel Handbook. In Chapter 55 of Goliath, “The Beauty Brigade,” Max Blumenthal draws the connections between sexism, militarism and the sexual exploitation of Jewish women in the IDF:

        Instead of earning respect by displaying military elan, as their male counterparts do, women soldiers are often induced into the role of “mattresses,” realizing their value to the state through sexual availability and by maintaining an impeccably prim, alluring appearance. …

        Upon their induction into the army, female soldiers are designated as members of a women’s corps called Chen, which means “beauty” and “grace” in Hebrew — the Beauty Brigade. While male soldiers focus on maximizing their physical prowess, many women are provided with beauty tips and help on custom tailoring their uniforms for maximum sex appeal. In turn, they are used as props in pro-army propaganda …

        … cases of Arabs raping female Israeli soldiers have always been extremely rare and are now virtually unheard of. In reality, young Israeli women are far more likely to be raped or abused by the male soldier assigned to them as their protector. A survey provided to the Knesset Committee for the Advancement of the Status of Women in the Israeli army in 2003 found that one out of three female soldiers had been sexually attacked during her service, and that at least 80 percent had suffered from sexual harassment. Over a quarter had been offered rewards in exchange for sex, while almost 70 percent said that they had encountered an unwanted sexual proposition. The survey exposed a terrifying culture of rape that demanded the sexual servitude of young Israeli women while training them to view their attackers as guardians.”

        For the rest of that chapter, indeed the whole book, check your local bookstore or library. At under $20 for 400 pages (plus another 100 pages of documentation) at Amazon.com, it’s such a deal!

        Speaking of sexist assumptions: for some reason, you presume that I am male. Regarding the connection between sexism, coerced sex and unplanned pregnancies, family planning agencies worldwide focus on increasing the education, access to contraceptives and bodily integrity of women as a means of decreasing unwanted pregnancies.

      • just
        just
        November 16, 2013, 7:53 pm

        bravo for your cite, and for your humanity Rusty Pipes.

        It’s a seemingly unending injustice– this war thing, man vs woman, child vs parental “philosophy” or grievances that need “settling” at the point of a gun or other violence in order to prove the righteousness of whatever cause or self- perceived wrong that they might have “suffered” etc.

        Many, either military folks or miscreants, want just to dominate ANYBODY though “whatever means necessary”. I guess I have to stay human, but I sometimes think I would prefer not to associate myself with my own very nasty species.

      • Xpat
        Xpat
        November 17, 2013, 2:24 pm

        @RP
        You made a bold assertion that you have still not backed with any evidence:
        Then again, if Jewish women weren’t pressured to be “mattresses” for their male colleagues in the IDF, maybe there would be a lower rate of unintended pregnancies and abortions.

        Maybe there would, maybe there wouldn’t.

        Your second assertion needs to be tested against the United States, which is also highly militarized and also suffers from a sexually predatory military and an epidemic of rape and sexual abuse:
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_assault_in_the_United_States_military

        The militarized state, a culture that glorifies “masculine” values and denigrates “feminine” ones, and the devaluing of female control of their bodies help contribute to more Jewish conceptions.

        I served in the Israeli army. It was a bloody waste of time for men and women. And yes, there is a prevasive culture that abuses women – as there is in the U.S. military, and I expect in many others. For that reason alone, I wouldn’t want my female friends and relatives serving in any army.

        Israel has many ills, but bringing in an unsupported non sequitir to the abortion discussion overplays your hand and unnecessarily changes the subject. Efrat stinks on its own demerits.

      • yrn
        yrn
        November 17, 2013, 2:39 pm

        “I served in the Israeli army. ”

        Why did you serve in the Israeli army, you hate Israel so much and you served in the IDF.
        No wonder your foolish trauma is been reflected in this site.

      • Xpat
        Xpat
        November 17, 2013, 4:54 pm

        @yrn
        I served in the Israeli army because that’s Israeli law. Every man and woman is required to do military service.
        My service taught me many things, both positive and negative.
        It is indeed a place where young men and women are given unusual amounts of responsibility.

        It solidifies indoctrination.

        But the enduring lesson for me, and I would suspect for most soldiers, is the incredible waste of time. The only thing worse than doing military service must be doing time.

        I advised my nieces to get out of military service if they possibly could. Mostly, because of the waste of time and the indoctrination. I guess I wouldn’t want them to be in a machsimo, potentially sexually abusive, system either.

      • Mayhem
        Mayhem
        November 18, 2013, 12:53 am

        Women in the IDF are

        jokingly referred to as “mattresses” and coffee getters

        Please refer to this article at
        http://israelity.com/2008/09/19/locked-and-loaded/ which is the only
        place where I could find such a flippant reference to women in the IDF
        mentioned. No doubt the viper Blumenthal has cottoned on to such a
        reference that is typically used in jest and twisted it into his own
        poisonous remarks aiming to demonstrate a misogynist attitude by men
        in the IDF towards women. No doubt Rusty Pipes you are happy to imbibe
        Blumenthal’s undiluted propaganda without questioning it.

      • jon s
        jon s
        November 18, 2013, 4:32 pm

        I, too seved in the IDF because it’s the law, but I also felt that I wanted to do my duty .

        My wife and daughters also served, without being “mattresses” or being raped.

      • tree
        tree
        November 18, 2013, 6:14 pm

        Mayhem,

        … such a reference that is typically used in jest and twisted it into his own poisonous remarks aiming to demonstrate a misogynist attitude by men in the IDF towards women.

        I take it you are not a woman. Otherwise you wouldn’t make such a flippant remark that comments “typically used in jest” can’t be misogynistic.

        Comments made “in jest”can in fact be quite as sexist and derogatory towards women as those made in all seriousness. A “joke” is often used in an obvious attempt to deny the sexist attitude beneath it, and to compel the woman who is the brunt of the joke to acquiesce to the sexism of the statement lest she be accused of not having a “sense of humor”. No “twisting” on the part of outsiders is involved. The sexism and misogyny of “jokingly” calling women in the IDF “mattresses” is obvious.

        From your link, written in 2008, discussing women in the IDF:

        Sure, jokingly referred to as “mattresses” and coffee getters, young women in the IDF are excluded from some combat roles, but in the big picture, we’re talking about an exceptionally co-ed army.

        Thanks for the confirmation that calling women in the IDF “mattresses” and “coffee-getters” is a common occurrence and not something that Max made up. Sad to see that you are oblivious to the sexism behind the “jest”.

      • Shingo
        Shingo
        November 16, 2013, 7:28 pm

        Israel
        hardly denigrates women as they participate fully in the IDF.

        And for those who don’t believe Mayhem’s claim of the IDF’s reverence for woman and human life, here is proof.
        http://desertpeace.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/i-shot-2-kills.jpg

      • jon s
        jon s
        November 19, 2013, 6:31 am

        Proves that there are male-chauvinists and idiots everywhere, including the IDF.

  16. EUR1069
    EUR1069
    November 15, 2013, 10:22 pm

    RE: “Russian” babies, etc. – Reminds me of the memoir of one of the first “Russian” refusniks who “returned to his historic homeland” with the very first group in the late 60s. After the “Russians” disembarked from the plane at the [then] Lod Airport, kissing the pavement, etc, etc. the rep from the corresponding agency welcomed them thus: “Welcome, etc, etc,… in truth, we don’t need you. We don’t even need your children. What we really need is your grandchildren.”

    Summa summarum: It has always been about race breeding – another lesson learned from the German experience.

  17. EUR1069
    EUR1069
    November 15, 2013, 11:06 pm

    BTW: The lady on the American Friends of Efrat website looks decidedly Palestinian. Is there a genetic link or is it only me? I mean we’re talking race & demographics here, innit?

  18. RoHa
    RoHa
    November 16, 2013, 12:22 am

    This group is repellent.

    I can understand, and indeed sympathize with*, the ideas of standard anti-abortion groups who want to prevent abortions for the sake of the babies. Those groups insist that even unborn babies are, from the moment of conception, human beings and should be treated as such. Permitting abortion, they claim, is devaluing of the lives of the babies.

    But this group does not seem to have that concern. They are only interested in babies as political tokens to maintain a political status quo. To use babies as a means to a political end seems, to me, a similar devaluing of the lives of the babies.

    (*Sympathy is not the same as agreement.)

    • Talkback
      Talkback
      November 17, 2013, 6:44 am

      Exactly the same goes for Jewish refugees. Zionists had no problem with them being refugees as long as they ended up in Palestine. Zionism has always seen Jews only as numbers in a “demographic war”. Either they wanted to increase the number of Jews or decrease the number of Arabs in Palestine by different means.

  19. Citizen
    Citizen
    November 16, 2013, 5:36 am

    It seems there’s at least once Jewish pro-life agency in the USA: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/15/crisis-pregnancy-group-re_n_877105.html

  20. kayq
    kayq
    November 16, 2013, 6:54 am

    I’m not going to get into the semantics of this but I’m puking because this is straight up disgusting.

    So a Jewish woman’s right is less important in order to fight the demographic threat and save Israel?

    Ugh.

  21. NickJOCW
    NickJOCW
    November 16, 2013, 9:35 am

    The Nazis faced with a similar purpose instituted the Ehrenkreuz der Deutschen Mutter. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross_of_Honor_of_the_German_Mother. Somebody gave me one once, I don’t know what happened to it. It was quite eery.

    • Citizen
      Citizen
      November 16, 2013, 3:24 pm

      @ NickJOCW
      I have one, the top one; I don’t remember where I got it, long ago. Interesting that funds were kept available for establishing any awarding criteria most especially during the war years of the Nazi regime, which was not so for many medal awards.

      Maybe Israel will create its own as the impetus sure seems the same–I guess intend of a Germanic cross it would boast the star of david.

      I can imagine what David Duke would say about this subject.

    • EUR1069
      EUR1069
      November 16, 2013, 10:58 pm

      @NickJOCW: Ganz genau!

  22. German Lefty
    German Lefty
    November 16, 2013, 12:05 pm

    Not sure if someone else has mentioned this before: “All In with Chris Hayes” had two segments about “Jews for Jesus”. Israel and Christian Zionists were mentioned, too.
    http://player.theplatform.com/p/2E2eJC/EmbeddedOffSite?guid=n_hayes_4reed_131114
    http://player.theplatform.com/p/2E2eJC/EmbeddedOffSite?guid=n_hayes_5home_131114

  23. mariapalestina
    mariapalestina
    November 16, 2013, 3:16 pm

    Vaguely reminiscent of another state whose leaders had a plan to make designer babies to help fulfill their racist policies.

  24. Citizen
    Citizen
    November 16, 2013, 3:38 pm

    @ German Lefty
    Thanks. I missed those shows. Your link to the first didn’t work, but the second linked worked. So we have a former POTUS, Bush Jr., following Glen Beck to praise and support Israel because both are believers in the End Times, when Jews either convert or meet their demise from God himself. Freaks. The only reason AIPAC et al & Israel support and cater to the Hagee type Christians is a very practical one, goy votes for Israel uber alles no matter the cost, and free cash from the dummy Xtrian fundys.

  25. Citizen
    Citizen
    November 16, 2013, 5:29 pm

    A racist state’s attitude towards women: http://blog.uvm.edu/jscontom/mothers-and-aryan-women/

    Is there a difference between that and pushing “inner aliyah”?
    If so, what is it?

  26. ronnie
    ronnie
    November 16, 2013, 10:36 pm

    more on the Zionist psychosis expressed in the “demographic threat”, ie having the indigenous people live and procreate: http://youtu.be/G6Al2R44b7U

  27. Citizen
    Citizen
    November 17, 2013, 6:28 am

    Anyone interested in whether or not a significant number of arabs illegally immigrated into Palestine during the first half of the 20th Century (the Zionists claiming this and its cause as Jewish industrial genius, creating jobs, making the land grow)can compare the competing claims here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Palestine

    Peters was the great advocate for the Zionist theory in this matter; you will see her claims are based on a wild guess, unsupported by her own evidence. This remains so today. Apparently Pipes was the last “expert” to go defend Peters’s thesis. His defense failed. Nevertheless, Mayhem trotted out the same claim here.

  28. Talkback
    Talkback
    November 17, 2013, 7:35 am

    The GoI announced a new emergency law: Every Jewish women is obliged to get pregnant no matter by whom (the result will be Jewish anyway). It will arrest Palestinian males for this purpose, because they are known for doing nothing else than getting women pregnant (except building ballistic weapons of mass destruction) and there’s no need for a charge anyway. To increase the possibility for pregnancy, gang bangs will be organized in your local Only-Jews-communities. L’chaim!

    (Sorry, couldn’t help it)

    • EUR1069
      EUR1069
      November 17, 2013, 9:55 am

      @Talkback: Jewish/Palestinian.. it’s the same genetic stock. The sooner they realize they are essentially the same people (as they were 2000 years ago) the sooner we’ll end this whole deranged mess & achieve peace. The only possible outcome at the end of the tunnel is a binational one-state, like it or not. Israel won’t be able to maintain the status quo for another 65 years.

      • gamal
        gamal
        November 17, 2013, 3:44 pm

        “it’s the same genetic stock. The sooner they realize they are essentially the same people”

        The German and Uk populations are the “the same genetic stock” what are you suggesting Anschluss? to satisfy our deep genetic drives? Is it genes that define a “people” if so how?

        My family is defined by two characteristics The Nose and The Cliff, which latter relates to flat backs of some of our heads, like Nasser, my cousin Ayman has a small round head, if you are round headed would you like him, he is plump and very good fun also he is an engineer, fearful that he cant marry as he works too much to entertain a wife, our women are exacting, if only he met more round heads like himself, with their easy going ways.

      • just
        just
        November 17, 2013, 4:43 pm

        rotflmao. “The Nose and The Cliff”– priceless!

        Now I am going to figure out the characteristics of my family……….

        (am still chuckling, gamal!)

      • EUR1069
        EUR1069
        November 17, 2013, 6:07 pm

        Quite a diverse family you have, gamal, good for you. Wrong simile tho: the UK & Germany populations do have their respective countries, no quarrel & thus peacefully proceed in their natural progression. You could have brought up Germany & Austria in 1938, but the Austrians were granted full citizenship rights within the Reich. The Palestinians on the other hand, have been robbed of their land (Anschluss of the WB if you will) & I’m merely brainstorming the ways to end this impossible situation in a peaceful manner within the next few generations. Any suggestions?

      • gamal
        gamal
        November 18, 2013, 6:43 pm

        Everyone return to their legal property or place of origin and start from there, we in the East dont wish to sell one iota of our (non-derogable) rights, perhaps some Nobel laureates could apply themselves to the details of a settlement that treats Palestinians as what they are, in legal terms.

        Support the Palestinains right to negotiate on the basis of law, which is probably best left to them, what possible use is bandying about solutions and negotiating amongst ourselves, Palestinians need to be supported in pursuit of their rights to forestall your decline to the rights of Gazan.

        Being oppressed by Israeli’s doesnt make Plaestinians guilty of “othering” them and being invaded and expelled doesnt lessen the rights these human beings enjoy and can pursue, nor does it make the invaders, whatever genes they carry one people with their victims, whatever that is, I mean I am British/Egyptian in terms citizenship and from my experience, despite the hype it aint ein Volk in Britain, Egypt or any where else I have been, quite the opposite in fact. Semites dont exist, the Arabs are not one people and neither are Jews or Chrisitans, I dont think pan-Semiticism is very attractive, but I may be wrong. Genetic kinship means what, exactly, its faintly disturbing.

        The point is the Palestinians must be heard and bear their rights individually, no one can sign then away or ventriloquise on their behalf ( nor for Israeli’s of whatever nationality), nor should anyone be required to, after Zionism there are many struggles to be fought out in the Levant, ideologies, racial or sectarian will lead to tension and conflict, there are other ways to forge a sense of common purpose and a shared fate.

        Genes are best left out of it, or what of Jewish Israeli with no Palestinian genes, DNA test, ticket to Kracow? perhaps gene therapy could be used to forge a new nation, handily Arab genetic material is sort of cobbled together and unravels easily.

        “As they were 2000 years ago” no not even the Jews of that time were one people, except in modern myth, as the literature of the time indicates there was some internal turmoil, bitter division and conflict. Perhaps they could all become Samaritans, that might work, cant see it eliciting Saudi support so probably a non-starter, we could do focus groups.

  29. Citizen
    Citizen
    November 17, 2013, 8:04 am

    From JPost.com – Headlines
    November 16, 2013 – 1:11am
    A special police team and Ministry of Health appointed inspectors raided an illegal abortion clinic in an apartment in south Tel Aviv on Friday. Reports had also come in of illegal baby trafficking. The clinic was operated by a couple that was interrogated and later released on grounds of insufficient evidence, even though the police found a stash of 3,000 miscarriage-inducing pills. The case is still under police investigation.

  30. just
    just
    November 18, 2013, 10:13 pm

    That baby riding the El Al plane is giving me nightmares……….

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