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  1. David Doppler
    David Doppler
    November 27, 2013, 11:45 am

    I don’t know about “delicious.” To me it is revolting. The same warmongers make the same cry repeatedly for thirty years, and the tab00-laden press is forbidden to mock Netanyahu, as you do here, as the boy who cried wolf. Instead, the press reports that Israelis and Arabs are in rare agreement that this is a bad deal, as if Obama and the rest of us Westerners are out of our league dealing with the treachery in Tehran. Instead, Obama reassures Israel, Kerry swears that there is no daylight, while being called naive, spineless and stupid, as if the tantrum boy who cries wolf is the crown- effing prince, who must be protected and coddled and cleaned up after, but never confronted or criticized. Let Obama and the US press call for a new government in Tel Aviv, one that doesn’t count on us eating lies like s*** and smiling while doing it.

    Happy Thanksgiving, everyone. Here’s to the Pilgrims.

    • Walid
      Walid
      November 27, 2013, 1:09 pm

      Happy Thanksgiving, David.

    • jon s
      jon s
      November 27, 2013, 3:07 pm

      The headline in Maariv was quoting Jane’s Defence Weekly, not Israeli sources.

      • talknic
        talknic
        November 27, 2013, 10:09 pm

        @ jon s and Jane’s Defence Weekly got its information from….

      • hophmi
        hophmi
        November 27, 2013, 10:18 pm

        I believe West German intelligence.

      • Shingo
        Shingo
        November 28, 2013, 5:17 am

        Well, they obviously got it wrong.

      • talknic
        talknic
        November 29, 2013, 11:30 am

        @ hophmi
        “I believe West German intelligence.”

        Evidence being?

      • Woody Tanaka
        Woody Tanaka
        November 29, 2013, 11:40 am

        “I believe West German intelligence.”

        LMAO. You don’t even have a basis to believe that West German intelligence made any such conclusion, and, besides, such a conclusion is nonsensical on its face, given the facts of the world in 1984.

        You say you believe, because it reinforces your bigotries. Nothing else.

      • marc b.
        marc b.
        November 28, 2013, 8:34 am

        did you read the rest of silverstein’s article? this is not a case of a single headline in maariv quoting jane’s (not that jane’s couldn’t have been snookered by some source or another). it’s about a decades-long pattern of claiming that iran was on the cusp of acquiring nuclear weapons, when they haven’t been. and it’s not just news agencies that have misreported the status or existence of an Iranian nuclear weapons program: it’s government officials, including the cartoon character leading Israel, to its detriment, at the moment; it’s the PM, FM, MKs, who continue to bleat on about the Iranian ‘nuclear weapons program’ when they know none exists.

        you can hide behind jane’s skirt if you like, but one article, one source is not the point.

      • November 29, 2013, 12:37 am

        how are you supposed to read the rest of article?

      • marc b.
        marc b.
        November 29, 2013, 3:33 pm

        The Silverstein article not the maariv article

  2. pabelmont
    pabelmont
    November 27, 2013, 12:21 pm

    Darn it, it **IS** a bad deal — from various non-USA perspectives. And it looks like (I hope it pressages) a dump-Israel attitude in Obama’s white house.

    Now, the fact that various USA-MSM describe the Israeli (and Saudi) reactions (BTW, when is the last time they took note of any Saudi viewpoint since the oil-embargo of the 1970s?) is merely a lingering effect of BIG-ZION (follow the money) operating inside the American MSM. And trying to ope3rate within the american government (and many in Congress seem on board).

    Follow the money. This is Murika, and the gov’mint can be bought up VERY cheap!

  3. eljay
    eljay
    November 27, 2013, 12:25 pm

    >> Iran in final stages of production of nuclear bomb: Maariv headline April 25, 1984

    “Israel: Over 30 years of the finest Newspeak!” ©

    • lysias
      lysias
      November 27, 2013, 3:25 pm

      Does the story indicate what Ma’ariv’s source was?

      • Shmuel
        Shmuel
        November 27, 2013, 4:30 pm

        Does the story indicate what Ma’ariv’s source was?

        As jon wrote, above, the source cited is Jane’s. Also cited are a Saudi paper (“Khomeini government receives assistance from South Africa”) and “An American source” (“Iran does not have the capability to produce nuclear weapons.”)

  4. radii
    radii
    November 27, 2013, 12:30 pm

    oh desperate israel – your scam is unraveling and you are beginning to look ridiculous

    • November 29, 2013, 12:46 am

      and very very guilty in the eyes of the world

  5. jon s
    jon s
    November 27, 2013, 12:34 pm

    I know this is way off-topic but…
    Today Israel is mourning the sudden death of Arik Einstein, the best of the best in Israeli culture. I can hardly imagine the country without the singer, songwriter and actor who provided the soundtrack. The outporing of emotion today is overwhelming.

    • Woody Tanaka
      Woody Tanaka
      November 27, 2013, 1:20 pm

      What were his positions concerning the oppression of the Palestinians and the theft of their land?

      • jon s
        jon s
        November 27, 2013, 3:04 pm

        Woody, he was both a peacenik and an Israeli patriot. I don’t expect you to understand.

      • Woody Tanaka
        Woody Tanaka
        November 27, 2013, 5:34 pm

        “Woody, he was both a peacenik and an Israeli patriot.”

        Doesn’t answer the question. Does it? (Especially given the ideosyncratic way that you people define “peace” and the like.)

        “I don’t expect you to understand.”

        No, I understand. You pretend that inherently incompatable things are consistent, like “liberal” and “zionist.”

      • Shingo
        Shingo
        November 28, 2013, 12:19 am

        Woody, he was both a peacenik and an Israeli patriot. I don’t expect you to understand.

        In other words, PEP.

      • ziusudra
        ziusudra
        November 29, 2013, 12:32 pm

        Greetings Woody Tanaka,
        I enjoy your daily Output here on MW.
        Some of my Heros are Baronboim, Cohn-Bendit & the late Reich Ranitski.
        You ne’er hear them voice their opinion on zionistan, pro or con.
        That doesn’t mean that they side with the zio-nazi governments since 48.
        Did you have your gobble, gobble, yesterday?
        ziusudra
        PS He, Baronboim, says, he has a Falesteeni Passport. He gives concerts in their name. He formed an Orchester with Falesteeni & Israeli musicians.
        Reich Ranitski was once asked here in Germany, why he doesn’t ever speak about the I/P Situation? He simply sees it of no help to get involved as a
        public person. The great fashion the way Cohn-Bendit has fought for Democracy & the cleaning up of the globe of polictical support of corporate damage done to the environment cleared his reputation, along with Oscar Fisher, since 68.

      • amigo
        amigo
        November 27, 2013, 3:24 pm

        “What were his positions concerning the oppression of the Palestinians and the theft of their land?”Woody.

        To be fair to his memory I searched for something positive.

        All I found was he “Steered Clear” of the I/P conflict.It was a Haaretz article.

        Don,t have that link at the moment.Will provide later.

      • Woody Tanaka
        Woody Tanaka
        November 27, 2013, 5:58 pm

        All I found was he “Steered Clear” of the I/P conflict.It was a Haaretz article.

        That’s a shame. Someone with celebrity could have used it for good.

      • hophmi
        hophmi
        November 27, 2013, 4:30 pm

        “What were his positions concerning the oppression of the Palestinians and the theft of their land?”

        What is your position on Hugo Chavez? What is your position on Islamic terrorism? What is your position on the rights of women in Muslim countries? What is your position on honor killings? What is your position on civil liberties in Arab states? What is your position on the execution of gay Iranians?

        Please detail the work you’ve done on these issues.

      • Cliff
        Cliff
        November 27, 2013, 5:14 pm

        Irrelevant.

        There are issues that relate directly to our identities. Those are the ones we should be asked about or confronted with if we present ourselves as beacons of moral virtue.

        Filibustering with ‘blah blah [some random conflict in the world]’ is hence, besides the point literally.

        We should only focus our energies on ‘the execution of gay Iranians’ if we contribute to said executions in some way.

        We should be concerned with things we are responsible for – not simply because a Zionist HACK and liar wants to muddy the waters for Jewish colonialism and nationalism.

      • Woody Tanaka
        Woody Tanaka
        November 27, 2013, 5:52 pm

        Your questions are completely irrelevant, hoppy. Jon s’s post is an off-topic attempt to spam the thread with irrelevancies about this person. I was trying to get back on the topic of the website. I mean, I guess I could have pulled an Obsidian, and said, “More dead celebrities. *yawn*” http://mondoweiss.net/2013/11/sydney-pollack-gunrunner.html/comment-page-1#comment-615554

        But since you asked, I’ll answer:

        “What is your position on Hugo Chavez?”

        My position is that he is dead.

        “What is your position on Islamic terrorism?”

        It depends on how you define it.

        “What is your position on the rights of women in Muslim countries?”

        I am fully in favor of women’s rights everywhere. In fact, that includes the right not to be spat upon or forced to stand in segregated sections at the Kotel. How about you, hoppy? What’s your opinion about THAT?

        “What is your position on honor killings?”

        I am opposed to honor killing.

        “What is your position on civil liberties in Arab states?”

        Greatly in favor.

        “What is your position on the execution of gay Iranians?”

        It depends. I’m not opposed in principle to capital punishment. So if a gay Iranian committed a crime worthy of execution and we were certain the person committed the crime, I’d be in favor of it. If you’re asking of my position on the execution of gays for being gay, well, I’m opposed to that.

        “Please detail the work you’ve done on these issues.”

        Well, it depends on the issue.

        For some, little to nothing. For example, Hugo Chavez’s dead-ness kinda takes care of itself. Not a whole lot of work is required from me to maintain his current status of “deceased.”

        For others, I’ve donated money, made internet posts, wrote an article on one, marched a little, talked a little, etc.

      • Hostage
        Hostage
        November 27, 2013, 7:37 pm

        What is your position on . . . Please detail the work you’ve done on these issues.

        It just so happens that I’ve helped fund the work done by the International Commission of Jurists and Amnesty International on those and many other human rights issues for years and encourage others, including you, to do the same.

      • talknic
        talknic
        November 27, 2013, 8:47 pm

        @ hophmi

        What is your position on Netanyahu and his unsupported accusations against Iran? (accusations are not evidence)
        What is your position on the terrorism perpetrated by illegal Israel settlers?
        What is your position on the rights of women in Israel? (at the Wall, on buses etc)
        What is your position on honor killings in Israel? (any killing where the perpetrator feels they have been dishonored is an honor killing)
        What is your position on civil liberties for minorities in Israel? (in practice)
        Are gay Iranians exempt from murder?

        Please detail the work you’ve done on these issues.

      • hophmi
        hophmi
        November 27, 2013, 10:15 pm

        “What is your position on Netanyahu and his unsupported accusations against Iran? (accusations are not evidence)”

        His accusations are nothing special. They’re shared by France and the United States. His language is unfortunate, but it’s his country that faces the security risk. I have argued in favor of giving the agreement the benefit of the doubt.

        “What is your position on the terrorism perpetrated by illegal Israel settlers?”

        Prosecute them to the full extent of the law. See, this is what I can’t stand. If you read anything I write, it’s clear that these are people I find abhorrent, and you ask anyway, as if I were some far-rightist. I have written extensively against extremism amongst the rightists in the Zionist camp.

        “What is your position on the rights of women in Israel? (at the Wall, on buses etc)”

        Pro-secularity. I strongly support Women at the Wall and the work of the New Israel Fund.

        “What is your position on honor killings in Israel? (any killing where the perpetrator feels they have been dishonored is an honor killing)”

        Eh? Amongst Jews, I know of no honor killing. I have written extensively against the excesses of ultra-orthodox Jews in Israel.

        “What is your position on civil liberties for minorities in Israel? (in practice)”

        I’m for them. See above on the New Israel Fund. I’ve often written that discriminating against Palestinian Israelis is wrong and counterproductive.

        So I’m on the record on all of these issues.

      • Shingo
        Shingo
        November 28, 2013, 5:58 am

        They’re shared by France and the United States.

        No, they are repeated by France and the United States. No one even bothered with the Arak BS until Bibi made a big deal of it.

        His language is unfortunate, but it’s his country that faces the security risk.

        No it doesn’t. That’s the point, it’s completely fabricated for political gain.

      • MahaneYehude1
        MahaneYehude1
        November 27, 2013, 5:23 pm

        @Woody:

        At least one thing I sure about him: He was liberal that supported peoples freedom of to worship their holy places, in spite of several racists that want to restrict this freedom to one ethnic group only.

      • Cliff
        Cliff
        November 28, 2013, 9:55 am

        What were Arik Einstein’s views on the colonization of Palestinian land and theft of resources and water? The Nakba? The various wars Israel fought? General Israel-Palestine politics?

        What were his views on the apartheid system inflicted by Israel upon the Palestinian people?

        Those opinions would be much more interesting to hear.

        Since no hasbarat here has elucidated those views, I think it’s safe to say he was just another Zionist.

        And it’s entirely reasonable for us to ask what those views were if a Zionist troll on MW decides to bring up this guy’s death.

        Why should anyone here besides the handful of pro-Israeli sockpuppet accounts care?

        Or did you guys just decide to make a comment and run away without defending it (what you usually do). The bullshit diversionary tactics that hoppy listed do not count for obvious reasons (the guy is Israeli not Zimbabwean; so questions re: Israel are relevant, DUH!).

      • Woody Tanaka
        Woody Tanaka
        November 28, 2013, 1:58 pm

        “At least one thing I sure about him: He was liberal that supported peoples freedom of to worship their holy places,”

        Meaning, what? He was willing to strip ownership rights from the Muslims (while, no doubt, opposing the freedom of all Palestinians, anywhere, to live anywhere in all of the land of Palestine [from Jaffa to the Jordan, from Lebanon to the Gulf of Aqaba)). Why am I not surprised?

        “in spite of several racists that want to restrict this freedom to one ethnic group only.”

        Yawn. Nothing racist in recognizing that the right to exclude is a property right in land. You have the Western Wall. Go pray there.

    • miriam6
      miriam6
      November 27, 2013, 1:46 pm

      jon [email protected];

      Sorry to hear bad news about Arik Einstein RIP

      Happy Hanukkah to you jon s and others celebrating Hanukkah !

      • jon s
        jon s
        November 27, 2013, 2:18 pm

        Miriam6,
        Thanks and Happy Hanukkah (and Thanksgiving!) to all!

      • Cliff
        Cliff
        November 27, 2013, 5:11 pm

        Happy Holidays

  6. Ira Glunts
    Ira Glunts
    November 27, 2013, 1:51 pm

    The headline says that the Iranians are getting “German assistance.” Less than 20 years after WWII, the German assistance claim would surely have added to the shock value of the false claim of the headline.

    • Woody Tanaka
      Woody Tanaka
      November 27, 2013, 2:17 pm

      ??
      1984-1945=39

      • Ira Glunts
        Ira Glunts
        November 27, 2013, 3:08 pm

        Oops!!! How did that mistake happen? I am glad I am among friends.

      • Woody Tanaka
        Woody Tanaka
        November 27, 2013, 4:11 pm

        No problem. I can hardly believe that 2013-1984=29!!! Where did all those years go??

      • ziusudra
        ziusudra
        November 29, 2013, 12:45 pm

        Greetings Ira Glunts,
        I hold a recording of J.S Bach 1685/1750 where on the sleeve, one can read
        the print that he lived from 1685 /1810 ! Longevity of 125 yrs! That must have made him so happy.
        ziusudra

      • lysias
        lysias
        November 27, 2013, 3:27 pm

        Israel’s campaign to terrorize the German scientists who were working on Nasser’s missile program did take place about 20 years after the end of WWII, so this is a meme with a long history.

    • Walid
      Walid
      November 27, 2013, 3:10 pm

      The reference to German help was made on April 25, 1984. It was only 5 or 6 years before that date, that the Mossad was training the Shah’s oppressive secret service, the SAVAK.

      • MRW
        MRW
        November 27, 2013, 7:24 pm

        And in 1984 they were running the Iran-Contra scam.

  7. eljay
    eljay
    November 27, 2013, 2:06 pm

    >> The headline says that the Iranians are getting “German assistance.” Less than 20 years after WWII …

    >> Maariv headline April 25, 1984

    Less than 40 years after WWII.

  8. irmep
    irmep
    November 27, 2013, 2:53 pm

    When Netanyahu’s face appears on television, constantly prattling on Iran’s alleged nukes and rattling his saber, the Twilight Zone version of “It’s a good life!” by Jerome Bixby comes to mind.

    American news anchors to Netanyahu “…But it’s good you’re making these threats! A real good thing. And tomorrow… tomorrow’s gonna be a… real good day!”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It's_a_Good_Life_(The_Twilight_Zone)

  9. tree
    tree
    November 27, 2013, 4:09 pm

    1984 sounds appropriate.

    “We have always been at war with Eastasia.”

  10. hophmi
    hophmi
    November 27, 2013, 4:24 pm

    Yeah, that was the conclusion of German intelligence after completion of the Bushehr reactor.

    http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2011/1108/Imminent-Iran-nuclear-threat-A-timeline-of-warnings-since-1979/Earliest-warnings-1979-84

    • Woody Tanaka
      Woody Tanaka
      November 27, 2013, 6:23 pm

      “Yeah, that was the conclusion of German intelligence after completion of the Bushehr reactor.”

      WTF?? No, that was the statement by Jane’s Defence Weekly. It was attributed to West German intelligence sources and was patent nonsense even then. Further, the “after completion” stuff is something you’re making up out of thin air. In 1984, the Bushehr reactor was not completed, construction having been stopped five years before with the reactors only 50% and 85% done. By 1984, the Iran-Iraq War was in full swing. It would be hit a number of times by airstrikes during the war. After the war, Russia didn’t sign the contract to finish the reactor until 1995, and the reactor wasn’t commissioned until 2011.

      So unless your “German intelligence” figured out a way to make weapons-grade plutonium in a reactor that would not exist for another twenty-six years (and in one whose design was ill suited for weapons fuel production to begin with), you’re peddling nothing but lies.

    • Shingo
      Shingo
      November 28, 2013, 12:29 am

      Yeah, that was the conclusion of German intelligence after completion of the Bushehr reactor.

      This summary sounds incomplete.

      No one has ever produced a nuke using a pressurized light water power reactor – it’s practically useless. Therefore it could not have been the reactor itself (which wasn’t completed for another 25 years) that led to such a conclusion.

      • hophmi
        hophmi
        November 28, 2013, 9:39 am

        I’m not saying it’s complete. I’m just going by the Christian Science Monitor article. My only point was that this was not the Israelis who were making the assessment. The insinuation here was that this was just another instance of Israeli paranoia. It was not.

      • Woody Tanaka
        Woody Tanaka
        November 28, 2013, 1:47 pm

        “I’m not saying it’s complete. ”

        Liar. You said it was complete when it was not to be complete for decades. You were repeating a nonsensical claim, adding some falsehoods, because the narrative supported your bigotry.

        ” My only point was that this was not the Israelis who were making the assessment. The insinuation here was that this was just another instance of Israeli paranoia. It was not.”

        That was not the assessment of anybody but a writer for Jane’s, talking about a reactor that was years from being completed. It was patent nonsense then, as anyone with even the basic factual knowledge of the situation (which clearly excludes you) could see. So, no, there was nothing there other than israeli paranoia in 1984.

  11. RoHa
    RoHa
    November 27, 2013, 7:54 pm

    It’s a bit early say they are crying “wolf”. That headline might very well be true. It is just taking a very long time for Iran to complete that final stage, either because of the well-known laziness and inefficiency of the swarthy, unshaven, types, or because, with their equally well-known fiendish cunning, they are lulling everyone into a false sense of security.

  12. Cliff
    Cliff
    November 28, 2013, 10:10 am

    This is hilarious. Israel lies all the time. No reason to ever trust them.

    Imminent Iran nuclear threat? A timeline of warnings since 1979.
    Breathless warnings that the Islamic Republic will soon be at the brink of nuclear capability have been made for decades. Here is a chronicle of predictions.

    http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2011/1108/Imminent-Iran-nuclear-threat-A-timeline-of-warnings-since-1979/Israel-paints-Iran-as-Enemy-No.-1-1992

  13. Sammar
    Sammar
    November 29, 2013, 2:11 am

    Israel needs a bogeyman. The US and its European allies have obliged and destroyed Iraq and Syria and helped ferment trouble in Egypt. Those former threats to Greater Israel have been removed, but without an “existentialist” threat Israel cannot demand unquestioning political and financial support. So there was this fabricated translation of “wiping Israel off the map” when all that Ahmedinajad proposed was a regime change. Something that is apparently totally acceptable when applied to Middle Eastern dictators who no longer serve their purpose.

    I can understand Netanyahu having nightmares about a final deal with Iran that will remove the sanctions and have Iran be a respected member of the International Community again. Hardly anyone respects Israel anymore, even if some countries still feel pressured to support it. Where will it leave Israel if it can’t cry wolf anymore? That is the real “existentialist threat”;)

    • ziusudra
      ziusudra
      November 29, 2013, 1:13 pm

      Greetings Sammar,
      I cannot fathom Bibi’s Paranoia on Iran.
      With or w/o the Nuke Iran is mass to be reckoned with.
      Bomb all their facilites to the ground & they will still be
      a conventional force. 75 Mill People on an area of 1.6 mill Sq Km,
      with unimaginable oil & gas wealth, with a globe ((even the US)
      dying to do business with them.
      Iran as Shia orientated would ne’er have joined up with the
      No. African Sunnis to say nothing of Wahabistan of SA.
      ziusudra
      PS It was the US that wanted to & did begin to build up the nuclear
      power of Iran wanting to have a Monopoly on. Imam Khomeni stopped
      it after 73.
      Lastly distablizing Iran would cause global pressure on everyones
      economy. That would in itself the end of Zionistan, a global boycott!

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