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You don’t really need a translation, but David Sheen fills us in:

Well at least this isn’t viral. Just 1800 hits so far. Thanks to Max Blumenthal.

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  1. Woody Tanaka
    Woody Tanaka
    December 26, 2013, 10:35 am

    Of course. Fascists often worry about “racial defilement.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rassenschande

    Why should the israeli fascists be any different?

    • Mike_Konrad
      Mike_Konrad
      December 26, 2013, 12:56 pm

      To be fair: Hollywood has been warning women about seductive Arab men for a century or more.

      • justicewillprevail
        justicewillprevail
        December 26, 2013, 1:45 pm

        This is hilarious. Yes, that Rudolph Valentino was a danger to women everywhere. You really are desperate, if you think this has any bearing on the racist misogyny displayed by those pathetic Israeli ‘rappers’. Hasbara fail, lol, to be fair.

      • Xpat
        Xpat
        December 26, 2013, 5:45 pm

        @ Konrad –
        Desperate indeed. This is a fantasy, exoticizing Arab leaders. No warning and no parallel whatsoever to Lehava’s crude, inflammatory, racist warning to Jewish Israeli women.

      • Woody Tanaka
        Woody Tanaka
        December 26, 2013, 2:18 pm

        Yes, the racism that used to be acceptable in the West a century ago is still alive and well in israel.

      • W.Jones
        W.Jones
        December 26, 2013, 7:10 pm

        I am not sure I agree regarding the early 20th century views about Arabs. I think at that point in time Arabs were not considered a threat to the West. Yes, Arabs were seen as a mix of exoticism, oriental enlightenment, barbarism, religious intolerance, etc. But they were not really seen as a threat. I think that the West did not care about them very much either.

        An excellent case in point is the Crimean War of the 1860’s when the West invaded Christian Russia in order to defend the Islamic Ottoman Empire. This aggression makes no sense from the perspective of the “Holy War” of Western Civilization against Islamic barbarism. I am not demanding consistency, and I know that contradictions exist, but I do think that it reflected a much different attitude about how “dangerous” Muslim societies were seen for the West.

      • puppies
        puppies
        December 26, 2013, 10:44 pm

        Nonsense. That wasn’t any different than the Latin Lover.
        If you are looking for 20th century terms, the Zionist version corresponds to its sisters in the Rassenreinheit laws and propaganda about Jews, Gypsies, Slavic people, etc.

  2. Obsidian
    Obsidian
    December 26, 2013, 11:23 am

    No Woody.

    The fascists are the ones who want to muzzle free speech. Fascists like you and Phil.

    • philweiss
      philweiss
      December 26, 2013, 11:34 am

      But I don’t want to muzzle. I want to point out racist speech and problematize it.

      • miriam6
        miriam6
        December 26, 2013, 12:02 pm

        But I don’t want to muzzle. I want to point out racist speech and problematize it.

        The irony Mr Weiss is that you have done nothing of the sort.
        You lazily presented this video without even bothering to identify the ‘artist’ involved nor did you bother to provide a translation of the song.
        Evidently you packed in serious journalism a long time ago.

        Well at least this isn’t viral. Just 1800 hits so far.

        So actually you yourself admit that the video itself has garnered little interest – therefore the video is of little significance – your decision to make a story from an unpopular video therefore smacks of desperation.

        BTW – What’s with the levitating table in the video?! The video was clearly ‘produced’ by a descendant of Ed Wood..

      • Cliff
        Cliff
        December 26, 2013, 1:41 pm

        What are you babbling about, 666?

        Phil allows all types of comments through. He lets Zionists like you speak your mind when you dehumanize Arabs and Muslims.

        He lets Zionists like you comment even though your comments skirt the boundaries of Nakba denial.

        You are absolutely deranged and blind if you think MW advocates censorship.

        Go to AtlasShrugged or JihadWatch to see real hate.

        I’m sure a racist, Jewish supremacist like you would feel right at home among those loons.

      • Woody Tanaka
        Woody Tanaka
        December 26, 2013, 2:44 pm

        “You lazily presented this video without even bothering to identify the ‘artist’ involved nor did you bother to provide a translation of the song.”

        Who in his or her right mind would need a translation to see the vile racism in the video?

        “Before you criticize others ‘problematic racist speech’ you put your own M.W house in order first.”

        Those comments were not racist or bigoted at all, especially given the repeated and decades-long discussion among the israelis about the demographic “problem” posed by non-Jews to the zionist Disneyland. Your response to them were way over the top, though.

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        December 26, 2013, 9:55 pm

        Good to see you commenting again, Woody.

      • Woody Tanaka
        Woody Tanaka
        December 27, 2013, 1:18 am

        “Good to see you commenting again, Woody.”

        thanks, RoHa. We’ll see how long it lasts. Depends on whether the mods are going to let the zios run amok…

      • annie
        annie
        December 26, 2013, 7:01 pm

        miriam, don’t start dragging stuff you don’t like from dead threads and plopping them in here to start a cat fight about moderation. that’s not what our threads are for. if that’s your bag drop it in the comment policy thread, send an email to phil or adam, or go over to dailykos where trolls spend reams of bandwidth diverting posts to discuss what so and so said back when.

      • miriam6
        miriam6
        December 27, 2013, 4:20 am

        [email protected];

        Look – my rationale for linking to those comments was that Weiss complains about ‘problematic speech’ only when it suits him – as do you.

        Personally I believe in no holds barred free speech – people in a democratic society must have the right to speech that offends others otherwise our freedoms mean little.

        However – Weiss is a hypocrite – as are you – complaining about others offensive speech whilst ignoring the offensive speech on YOUR website here as the content displayed in those linked to comments shows.

        So – even by your own criteria – both you and Weiss are hypocrites.

        This thread is in essence a debate about free speech – but whether you have the intelligence to grasp that fact or not is open to question of course.

      • Woody Tanaka
        Woody Tanaka
        December 27, 2013, 1:09 pm

        “Personally I believe in no holds barred free speech”

        Oh, baloney, Miriam. You complain more than just about anyone about people’s comments, and almost never are they valid complaints.

      • dimadok
        dimadok
        December 26, 2013, 12:11 pm

        @Weiss.
        What I don’t understand is if you want to point out racist speech and problematize it- why not starting with US or any other Western, America-like country first instead of going after those “nasty Zionists (Jews) in Israel”? There are plenty of racism, antisemitism, Islamophobia and xenophobia around in US. Hate speech is as abundant as always, yet you seek day after day anything bad to stick to Israel Jews.
        Is it your and others claim is that USA is first and the rest is secondary?
        Why you are obsessed with Israel- it does not represent you, does not affect your personal life, does not have any effect on your freedoms or anything else?
        My guess- because it represents everything you are not. A free pluralistic society with a largest spectra of opinions and cultural layers, allowing Jews to assume self-identification as a nation among others, live and die for their ideals. To honestly believe that your destiny is of your own making and no one to tell me, a Jew, how to live, where to live and how to die.
        Upstate New York is a light years away from it.

      • James North
        James North
        December 26, 2013, 1:30 pm

        It looks like this video really stung Hasbara Central.

      • Cliff
        Cliff
        December 26, 2013, 1:42 pm

        Dim duck,

        This blog is about Israel.

        If you think racism in Israel is not a problem so long as SOMEWHERE ELSE there happens to be racism – then you simply do NOT care about racism.

      • Woody Tanaka
        Woody Tanaka
        December 26, 2013, 2:33 pm

        “What I don’t understand is if you want to point out racist speech and problematize it- why not starting with US or any other Western, America-like country first instead of going after those “nasty Zionists (Jews) in Israel”?”

        I think “why not start with” is the new “whatabouttery.” Why not highlight both?? I’m all for problematizing racism in the US and in the zionist entity. How about it, dim? Or are you just using this as a weapon to further your zionism?

        “Why you are obsessed with Israel- it does not represent you, does not affect your personal life, does not have any effect on your freedoms or anything else?”

        I don’t know about Phil, but it effects me because, beside the fact that there is the basic human interest in stopping the vile oppressions committed against the Palestinians, the zionists and their traitors in the US have conspired to steal billions of US tax dollars from the US taxpayers.

        “A free pluralistic society”

        LMAO. Unless one is born a non-Jew, of course.

        “live and die for their ideals”

        You forgot the three things zios primarily do for their “ideals” – oppress, kill and steal.

        “To honestly believe that your destiny is of your own making and no one to tell me, a Jew, how to live, where to live and how to die.”

        Wow, you get to be the Nazi, get to be Torquemada, and the Palestinians get to be the Jews for a change. What filthy retrograde thinking you have.

      • annie
        annie
        December 26, 2013, 6:50 pm

        There are plenty of racism, antisemitism, Islamophobia and xenophobia around in US. Hate speech is as abundant as always, yet you seek day after day anything bad to stick to Israel Jews.

        send it to us, we’ll raise a stink and publish it. we publish geller and lots of US racism. the islamophobic bus ads, you name it, we cover all this stuff. and we don’t limit our exposure to israeli jews. we cover lots of ugly americans.

      • Citizen
        Citizen
        December 26, 2013, 9:34 pm

        @ dimadok

        Criticism of USA in terms of its racism, bigotry, discrimination , etc, is done in neon every day in the US news and infotainment media. There’s not a single day where it’s not in the latest breaking news. In comparison, criticism of Israel in those terms is almost nonexistent in the US daily mainstream media chatter. That’s why this blog exists.

        Criticism of US government spending in every way possible also fills the US daily news and chatter. With one exception: There’s very little inclusion of how much and why we give Israel the biggest chunk of our total foreign aid.
        Again, that’s why this blog exists.

        But you already know all this if you live in America. If you live in Israel, you know it too. So I fail to see the point of your irrelevant comment, unless it’s to mislead a new visitor to this blog who has not been exposed to endless hasbara.

      • dimadok
        dimadok
        December 28, 2013, 10:11 am

        @citizen. Criticism of Israel is very welcomed, on a fair and equal terms, otherwise it becomes a platform for bigotry, a veiled anti-Semitism and hate speech. This fringe video is a drop compared to a flood of hate and incitement addressed towards Jews and Israel on daily basis.
        What seems to me as the most contradictory aspect of all, is that Jews in Israel are held to a much higher standard that every single societal and racial groups EVERYWHERE in the world. That’s a breeding ground for antisemitism. That is my point, with no regard to hasbara. BTW, a person seeking a hasbara point of view wouldn’t wander here.

    • Cliff
      Cliff
      December 26, 2013, 11:40 am

      Who is doing the muzzling?

      Sounds like you just want to promote hate-speech. Is that what you teach your children and grandchildren?

      Are you this political with them? Or maybe its when it comes to JEWS that you throw out morality and essentially teach them to hate all opponents to Jewish colonialism (with all sorts of justifications, like the morons in the music video about).

      Or maybe you just like shitty Israeli rap music.

      • Obsidian
        Obsidian
        December 27, 2013, 10:23 am

        I’m from America where hate speech and Holocaust denial are legal, God bless it.

      • Cliff
        Cliff
        December 27, 2013, 1:44 pm

        I’m from America too.

        Last I checked, Holocaust deniers – while they are allowed to deny the Holocaust all they want – are social pariahs.

        And hate speech against certain groups will also get you ostracized. However, it depends on which group (Jews and African-Americans mainly). If it’s hate speech against Muslims and Arabs, you will likely get promoted and quoted extensively in the NYTimes or interviewed by Terry Gross.

        In any case, Phil Weiss hasn’t censored this video – which is clearly hate speech. Phil Weiss is also from America.

        And yet, these racist Israelis aren’t social pariahs – which is why you defend them. They are representative of Israeli Jewish opinion.

      • yrn
        yrn
        December 27, 2013, 2:26 pm

        “In any case, Phil Weiss hasn’t censored this video ”

        How stupid can you be.
        He published it Deliberately to show all you guys, “the face of the Israeli society”
        To fuel your spew against Israel, as part of MW Agenda
        Another great stuff he picks up from Israel’s garbage can.

      • Cliff
        Cliff
        December 27, 2013, 2:53 pm

        yrn,

        The video is not censored. How stupid can you be?

    • annie
      annie
      December 26, 2013, 11:41 am

      if phil was muzzling it he wouldn’t have published it. exposure is the opposite of muzzling.

    • Woody Tanaka
      Woody Tanaka
      December 26, 2013, 11:46 am

      No Woody.

      The fascists are the ones who want to muzzle free speech. Fascists like you and Phil.

      Muzzle free speech?? Are you kidding?? First of all, how you can think that Phil is trying to stifle this speech when he gave it wider exposure than it had before is beyond me.

      Further, do you know how bad this racist garbage makes israel look?? I don’t want to muzzle it; I want it to be more well know. I want to give a prized place for these israelis to speak to Americans; I want them to be THE voice of israel in the US. I want those Americans who support the zio state (especially those American Jews who are themselves in integrated relationships, or have beloved family members who are non-Jews) to see that there are Jews in israel who are pushing the same racist non-integration nonsense that bigots did in the US, Nazi Germany, and elsewhere in the not so distant past. Muzzle this???? Are you nuts???

    • Mike_Konrad
      Mike_Konrad
      December 26, 2013, 12:38 pm

      To be fair Obsidian, are you as much in favor of free speech when it comes to Holocaust Denial?

      To the others : If you think Islamic Arab society is not vicious to women, then you have another thing coming

      • Cliff
        Cliff
        December 26, 2013, 1:43 pm

        Mike_Konrad

        Are you agreeing with the video?

      • Woody Tanaka
        Woody Tanaka
        December 26, 2013, 2:25 pm

        “To the others : If you think Islamic Arab society is not vicious to women, then you have another thing coming”

        What an incredibly racist thing to say. No one here made any statement about “Islamic Arab society” or whether or not it is “vicious to women” and yet you post this. Further, the group that made this video isn’t looking out for the well-being of these women, it’s simply exercising its racism for racism’s sakes. It’s the same group that said Bar Rafaela should leave Leonardo DiCaprio because he is unforgivably non-Jewish.

        In a different age, they’d proudly talk about being opposed to “race-mixing.” These people aren’t making some misguided comment on Arab society; they’re exercising unadulterated racism and you insult all of us by pretending otherwise.

      • annie
        annie
        December 26, 2013, 6:46 pm

        If you think Islamic Arab society is not vicious to women, then you have another thing coming

        how did this islamophobia make it thru moderation?

      • Woody Tanaka
        Woody Tanaka
        December 27, 2013, 12:51 am

        “how did this islamophobia make it thru moderation?”

        A lot of nasty stuff from the zio side’s been making it through as of late.

      • yrn
        yrn
        December 27, 2013, 5:04 am

        Annie Robbins.

        If publishing this video done but some stupid Idiots in MW is not Antisemitism.
        Then publishing “If you think Islamic Arab society is not vicious to women, then you have another thing coming” is not islamophobia.

        This stupid video has been Condemned in Channel 2 news. an Issue you want see even in your country and certainly not in our neighbor countries, where Antisemitism publication is an everyday issue and been accepted.

        When you sleep with snakes, that’s what happened.

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        December 26, 2013, 9:58 pm

        “If you think Islamic Arab society is not vicious to women, then you have another thing coming.”

        That doesn’t make sense. It should be “…you have another think coming.”

        The idiom means “Think that? Think again!”

      • Walid
        Walid
        December 27, 2013, 1:52 am

        Thanks, RoHa, that was a new one for me too.

    • amigo
      amigo
      December 26, 2013, 1:57 pm

      The fascists are the ones who want to muzzle free speech. Fascists like you and Phil.obsidious.

      Maybe you are the fascist sitting at the front of the bus deciding how women should dress.

      https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Israeli_Segregated_buses

    • talknic
      talknic
      December 26, 2013, 3:02 pm

      @ Obsidian “The fascists are the ones who want to muzzle free speech. Fascists like you and Phil”

      I guess you’d be OK with ‘Goliath’ on the bookshelves of Israeli schools… right? Or a banner in the middle of Tel Aviv or Jerusalem citing UNSC res 476 or Article 7 of the LoN Mandate for Palestine? Maybe Israel’s May 15th 1948 plea for recognition?

      • Obsidian
        Obsidian
        December 27, 2013, 10:18 am

        Right. Why not? If the Israeli Board of Ed wants to, why not?

        If I had a copy of Max’s book I would demolish it chapter by chapter same as I did to the chapter about the Carmel fire (which was published online).

        Obviously I’m not going to spend my money and enrich a little skunk like Max.

      • Woody Tanaka
        Woody Tanaka
        December 27, 2013, 1:25 pm

        “I would demolish it chapter by chapter same as I did to the chapter about the Carmel fire”

        LMAO!! GOOD ONE.!!!

        Wait. You really believe you demolished it??

        oh.

        that’s sad.

    • JeffB
      JeffB
      December 26, 2013, 11:10 pm

      @Obsidian

      FWIW I’m a pretty ardent Zionist and Phil isn’t muzzling me. I think he believes in free speech.

      • Woody Tanaka
        Woody Tanaka
        December 27, 2013, 1:24 am

        “Phil isn’t muzzling me.”

        Well, no one said he’s perfect.

      • just
        just
        December 27, 2013, 12:45 pm

        rotflmao!

        Welcome back Woody.

      • Obsidian
        Obsidian
        December 27, 2013, 10:15 am

        @JeffB

        Then maybe you could explain why close about 20% or my post aren’t published.

      • JeffB
        JeffB
        December 27, 2013, 1:11 pm

        @Obsidian —

        Then maybe you could explain why close about 20% or my post aren’t published.

        No idea. The whole moderation here seems kinda random. But I don’t see a systematic attempt to not allow Zionists to speak.

      • Obsidian
        Obsidian
        December 27, 2013, 2:20 pm

        How’s it that none of the pro-BDS bloggers or Phil Weiss toadies complain about a failure to post?

      • libra
        libra
        December 27, 2013, 4:33 pm

        JeffB: No idea. The whole moderation here seems kinda random. But I don’t see a systematic attempt to not allow Zionists to speak.

        Jeff, I’ve subjected the Zionist comments on Mondoweiss to exhaustive analysis and a clear pattern has emerged with only one possible explanation, to wit, the more stupid or extreme the comment, the more likely it is pass moderation. Obsidian should take it as a compliment that 20% of his comments get canned.

      • Woody Tanaka
        Woody Tanaka
        December 27, 2013, 1:22 pm

        “Then maybe you could explain why close about 20% or my post aren’t published.”

        How about because you’re no different than the rest of us??

  3. James North
    James North
    December 26, 2013, 11:48 am

    I met David Sheen, who publicized this latest racist item, in Max Blumenthal’s Goliath. David Sheen is a moral giant.

  4. Xpat
    Xpat
    December 26, 2013, 11:56 am

    Translation:
    You are imprisoned in a village little sister
    because he tricked you, now you live in a mosque
    He promised you the life of a real princess
    but now he beats you because you wanted
    to be different
    to marry an Arab
    and not listen to your parents, your girlfriends and your brothers
    “I’m the smartest”, you were so sure of yourself
    he bought you clothes
    took you out to eat every day
    he bought you jewelry – the prince of your dreams
    He just wants a Jewish woman to be his slave
    to let his family and friends taste you
    they hurt you. no heart. for them you are just a dirty rag.
    you want to escape, you are closed off in a cage
    He said his name was Chayim, he played the Jew
    He made you feel good
    He wrote you lovely poems
    In his heart he hatched a scheme, little sister
    Look at you now, you have lost hope
    You are lost in bottomless misery
    despairing, frustrated “how did I get so lost?”
    50,000 Jewish women in “the villages”
    What will be, O Israel, we have abandoned the girls.
    So, another year went by and you are still in the village
    drowning in your blood in the jail of that village
    heart full of yearning for the beautiful world
    you are wilting, falling apart, you can’t stand yourself
    “what was I thinking?” you cannot forgive yourself

    “What am I now? an Arab woman, an idiot”
    …(she finds God and becomes observant of Jewish practice. God can and will save you etc.)
    Chorus: you are the daughter of the King and He is all powerful. Give Him your all.

    • Woody Tanaka
      Woody Tanaka
      December 26, 2013, 12:18 pm

      “Translation:..”

      Huh. I wouldn’t think there would be a market in israeli popular music for Hebrew translations (changed just a little bit) of poems first published in Der Stürmer, but that’s the only way I can explain this disgusting filth.

  5. clenchner
    clenchner
    December 26, 2013, 2:32 pm

    So, it is really strange that Phil, David, and Max are referring to this as Israeli hip hop. Yes, this is a racist video by a racist organization in Israel. But no, this is not representative of a stream of Israeli popular culture. (The racist sentiments might be representative of the Kahana-ist mindset, but those folks are not hip hoppers!)
    Impugning Israel’s hip hopers like this makes as much sense as me using a radio jingle for getting rid of bed bugs and using that to make an assertion about an American musical subculture.
    The Palestinian-Israeli group D.A.M. is much more representative of Israeli hip hop than this video, artist unknown.
    Sometimes it feels like in the pursuit of a catchy headline or finger jab, all kinds of tricks are used that make an informed ready feel cheated.

    • Woody Tanaka
      Woody Tanaka
      December 26, 2013, 3:03 pm

      Yeah, let’s waste 350 words on defending the israeli hip hop community from the evil that comes with describing this video, set to rap music, made by israelis, as “israeli hip hop.” Yeah, that’s the real angle on this story…

      • clenchner
        clenchner
        December 26, 2013, 6:25 pm

        Sure, make an enemy of hip hop fans. That’ll help liberate Palestine!

      • annie
        annie
        December 26, 2013, 6:42 pm

        ok, what represents (anti racist) progressive israeli hip hop. and why would this make an enemy of israeli hip hop fans? wouldn’t any progressive agree it’s racist and reject it?

      • W.Jones
        W.Jones
        December 26, 2013, 7:17 pm

        Interestingly, a major portion of Israelis themselves are from Arab countries where they lived for centuries. This video therefore raises an interesting question.

        Perhaps the key to understanding Israeli society is not really to see it as an “ethnocracy”, but rather as a theocracy that is not particularly religious?

        The state is officially for one nation, yet its laws say one can only join or leave the nation through conversion. Additionally, the only marriages recognized are religious ones. So if one is married in the other religion, one must have converted and left the nation. Do you see how this process works in practice to reorganize society along religious lines?

      • Woody Tanaka
        Woody Tanaka
        December 27, 2013, 12:50 am

        No one’s making an enemy of hip hop fans. It’s israeli and it’s hip hop. No one’s saying that the hip hop community anywhere is responsible for this racist garbage. It’s used descriptively, nothing else.

    • The Hasbara Buster
      The Hasbara Buster
      December 26, 2013, 5:39 pm

      @Newclench

      But no, this is not representative of a stream of Israeli popular culture.

      No, it’s representative of a very mainstream view in Israel, according to which there’s an Arab conspiracy to dissolve the Jewish people through intermarriage.

      In fact it’s so mainstream that Tzipi Hotovely, a hihgly respected lawmaker from Likud, the largest party in Israel, hosted a Knesset hearing on how to prevent Jewish girls from entering relationships with non-Jews. Mississipi 1950? No, Israel 2011.

      Israel is the only developed country where anti-miscegenation is officially sanctioned.

      • JeffB
        JeffB
        December 26, 2013, 7:26 pm

        @HB

        Israel is the only developed country where anti-miscegenation is officially sanctioned.

        What race X to race Y pairings of Jews are not permitted under Israeli law?

      • justicewillprevail
        justicewillprevail
        December 26, 2013, 7:35 pm

        Oh, how cute. Jeffy.

      • The Hasbara Buster
        The Hasbara Buster
        December 26, 2013, 8:00 pm

        @JeffB

        To sanction means, among other things, to endorse, to approve of, to give one’s blessing to.

        A prominent Jewish lawmaker in Israel hosted a conference against Jew/non-Jew relationships. She then declared “more education is needed to combat intermarriage.” If that’s not endorsing anti-miscegenation, what is?

      • Citizen
        Citizen
        December 26, 2013, 9:45 pm

        @ The Hasbara Buster

        If you mean what else is, I’d say go read some of the Jewish American blogs that wail about “the silent holocaust” right here in the good old USA. You won’t find a melting pot in any of them.

      • Xpat
        Xpat
        December 26, 2013, 11:34 pm
      • Woody Tanaka
        Woody Tanaka
        December 27, 2013, 1:03 am

        “What race X to race Y pairings of Jews are not permitted under Israeli law?”

        Are you really so ignorant to not know that “miscegenation” is no limited in usage to racial classifications?

      • JeffB
        JeffB
        December 27, 2013, 1:00 pm

        @Woody

        Are you really so ignorant to not know that “miscegenation” is no limited in usage to racial classifications?

        Yes I am. Along with the authors of the OED dictionary who define it as: “Mixture of races; esp. the sexual union of whites with Negroes.” And the reason for that ignorance is the word itself comes from the title of the 1864 book “Miscegenation: The Theory of the Blending of the Races, applied to the American White Man and Negro.” Equally ignorant were the people who used it legal documents making it a crime who evidently didn’t know it applied to religion either.

    • Djinn
      Djinn
      December 26, 2013, 8:36 pm

      If DAM are so representative why did they have to look to crowd sourcing to pay for their album? The execrable Subliminal is what represents Israeli hip hop. Acts like DAM are utterly marginalized in Israel (outside of course it’s a different story) because they talk about things the Apartheid state doesn’t want heard.

      • clenchner
        clenchner
        December 27, 2013, 9:27 am

        There is no doubt in my mind that DAM routinely attracts more fans and sells more records than whatever ‘rapper’ helped make this video. So in that sense, DAM is more representative of Israeli hip hop.
        Subliminal is, sadly, more representative than DAM. I’d like to change that by supporting the progressive hip hop community there, instead of suggesting that this racist video is part of hip hop culture.
        Regarding crowd-sourced music production, your comment makes me think you don’t understand the music industry. That said, it’s great to see DAM keep on keeping on.

      • Djinn
        Djinn
        December 28, 2013, 9:11 am

        How does pointing out that DAM can not attract industry funding in Israel because they talk about things that are uncomfortable for Zionists mean I dont understand the industry? I understand it perfectly well, even though there is quite demonstrably a MARKET for DAM’s music, within Israel and outside it, they need to seek crowd sourcing to produce an album because they do not enjoy the support of the industry. An industry that demonstrably YOU don’t understand.

        Subliminal is a racist shitebag yet, as you say, HE is what represents a selling (and record company supported) act in Israel. He is certainly less amateurish and obvious about his racism than this little ditty but its there all the same.

        You tried arguing that DAM is more representative of Israeli hip hop than this drivel, what gets record deals in Israel shows that to be nonsense.

  6. miriam6
    miriam6
    December 26, 2013, 6:23 pm

    The real angle on this ( non) story

    As Weiss himself admits the video has garnered few hits ;

    Well at least this isn’t viral. Just 1800 hits so far.

    It IS a non story of no significance..

    • justicewillprevail
      justicewillprevail
      December 26, 2013, 7:26 pm

      Of no significance to you, perhaps. If you really want to understand its significance, and the context in which it is being mentioned, then you would have to read Max’s book, an act of self-sacrifice probably beyond the separation wall of your mind. Funny how you are so overheated about exposure of these people and their views, and not about the significant section of Israeli society which approves this kind of thing.

    • puppies
      puppies
      December 26, 2013, 11:12 pm

      To the contrary, it is a story of such high significance that it deserves being publicized to the max and streamed into every home in Europe, Canada and Latin America (not so sanguine about the US for obvious reasons.) It shows exactly what Zionism is about, at the right level for people who don’t care much about legal stuff: at the example level. I’m ready for a modest contribution if there are expenses.

    • Woody Tanaka
      Woody Tanaka
      December 27, 2013, 12:48 am

      “It IS a non story of no significance..”

      Every story that demonstrates the ingrained racism in that people is of significance.

    • Bumblebye
      Bumblebye
      December 27, 2013, 9:06 am

      Hey, miri666, maybe you’d rather watch your Yitzhar-ites carrying out pogroms against their Palestinian neighbors, from whom they stole the land:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGBWPeuZjmw

      I do recall you being terribly upset when one of the worst was banished from ‘his’ home for just a few months. I’m sure he’s back by now, and hard at work progromming the real owners. He’s gotta make sure his daughters won’t grow up to be seduced by an Ayrab, just shagged by the IOF in a public loo.

      • miriam6
        miriam6
        December 27, 2013, 10:01 am

        hey dumb [email protected];

        Hey dummy – you really do not get the irony do you?

        After all here you are stereotyping me in a racist fashion ( your stereotyping of me as a Jew who therefore MUST be a Zionist is racist in itself ) whilst complaining about Jews racist stereotyping of Arabs.

        Furthermore – I am quite sure you have me mixed up with another commenter here – I have never commented on or about ANY of these ‘Yizhar-ites’.

        I have no idea of what or whom you are referring – I did ask you to clarify about this matter to which you refer in your comment months ago but I had no answer then.

        You better come up with an explanation for your accusations against me – or find the comment in which I referred to these ‘Yizharites’ – because you will not find it.

        But keep up the Jew baiting performance why don’t you?

        After all – here on MW – with Philip Weiss and Adam Horowitz off massaging their considerably over sized ego’s – you do appear to be getting away with it.

        Again – I consider your lumping of me as a presumed Jew in with those that MUST be Zionists – is simply racist.

        Oh btw – here is a recent example of my views – which are quite different from the stereotyped way that you depict my views.

        http://mondoweiss.net/2013/12/palestinian-negotiators-proposes.html#comment-621099

      • Woody Tanaka
        Woody Tanaka
        December 27, 2013, 1:22 pm

        Q.E.D.

      • Taxi
        Taxi
        December 27, 2013, 1:23 pm

        Happy Holidays, mirriam I-am-not-a-zionist!

        You’re getting more and more like Abe Foxman in yer old age: counting antisemites will probably be in your last breath too.

      • Bumblebye
        Bumblebye
        December 27, 2013, 3:24 pm

        m666
        “But keep up the Jew baiting performance why don’t you?”

        “Again – I consider your lumping of me as a presumed Jew in with those that MUST be Zionists – is simply racist.”

        Wow. With that kind of response to me you can shove your demands where the sun don’t shine.

      • libra
        libra
        December 27, 2013, 6:51 pm

        My goodness Miriam, how did I miss first time round this proof that you really are not a Zionist?

        So would be better if they lived in one state – one democratic equal secular state with separation of religion from state.

        Well now we’ve cleared that up, it’s time to get back to the serious business of Mondoweiss; namely listing the sins of Phil Weiss:

        1. American
        2. Bouffant-haired
        3. Prefers hash browns to Potatoes Dauphinoise

        To which we must now add the charge that he is more equivocal on the single state than you. I can only hope that provides Phil with much food for thought in 2014.

      • miriam6
        miriam6
        December 28, 2013, 3:53 am

        [email protected];

        I have a mile long list of the sins of Philip Weiss – however – the fact that he is American is not one of them – I would detest Philip Weiss no matter his nationality.

        In the interests of brevity however – I shall list but a few of his sins here..

        1. His hypocritical stance on militarism.
        He claims to be opposed to Israeli militarism but he supported NATO’s recent aggression against Libya and doubtless he was also one of those foolish Jews who supported NATO aggression against Serbia during the Balkan wars of the 1990’s.
        Any true leftist must be against ALL militarism.

        http://brendanoneill.co.uk/post/41217124950/how-cameron-created-the-chaos-in-north-africa

        2. He recently recounted how – on a long haul flight – he sat next to an Israeli national to whom he lied about his true opinions on Israel. To my mind that suggests his duplicitous instincts are deeply rooted and that his commitment to the Palestinian cause is only skin deep – after all – one would expect a person with a deep sense of solidarity with the Palestinians to defend to the death his REAL beliefs no matter who he is sitting next to.

        3. He possesses an outlandishly supersized ego to match the outlandishly supersized hairdo.

        4. Prefers hash browns to Potatoes Dauphinoise?
        I think not – some months ago now we established beyond reasonable doubt that Weiss is just not a ‘hard hat and lunch pail’ type of character – rather he is bourgeois to the bone – so – no hash browns for Mr Weiss methinks.

        And finally – a seasonal greeting from Jack and I both..

        A Merry Easter and a Happy New Year to you Libra!

        Chag Sameach to everyone else!

      • libra
        libra
        December 29, 2013, 8:52 am

        miriam: A Merry Easter…

        Oh dear miriam, overdoing the festive eggnog again? Or just being too clever again?

      • libra
        libra
        December 29, 2013, 9:57 am

        Yes, Christmas is over and once again it’s Pantomime Season and time for this year’s magical production of the ever-popular Snow Weiss:

        Wicked Queen: Mirror Mirror on the Wall, Who is the Fairest of Them All?

        Mirror: Why, Snow Weiss of course, you daft old bat.

        Wicked Queen (stamping feet): Oh, how I hate Snow Weiss and her bouffant hair! But that doesn’t make a nasty, jealous, vindictive witch.

        Audience: Oh yes it does!

        Wicked Queen: Neither does defending Israel from all its critics make me a Zionist.

        Audience: Oh yes it does!

        Wicked Queen: Whilst saying I support a single, democratic state doesn’t make me a liar and a hypocrite.

        Audience: Oh yes it does!

        Wicked Queen: Oh dear, surely I’m not that transparent?

        Audience: Oh yes you are!

      • Taxi
        Taxi
        December 29, 2013, 10:33 am

        libra,

        miriam ‘I am not a zionist’ only comes over to:
        1- trash on Phil Weiss
        2- count the hallucinated antisemites
        3- talk baked potatoes
        4- tell other (blushing) zionists she loves them
        5- tell us she’s not a zionist

        Amateur propagandist from north London thinks she’s fooled us with her Chico Marx act.

      • Keith
        Keith
        December 30, 2013, 6:23 pm

        LIBRA- “…the ever-popular Snow Weiss:”

        Credit where credit is due, I found this rather amusing. You can be quite clever.

  7. a blah chick
    a blah chick
    December 26, 2013, 7:12 pm

    I think that the hasbarists here need to stop all their whataboutty and misdirection and explain to us why it is so easy for these Arab Lotharios to seduce daughters of Israel away from the tribe. Perhaps their Jewish counterparts should take note of their methods.

    I mean jewelry? Poetry? A nice dinner? Trust me, fellas, some of us gals prefer these to anonymous sex in a toilet.

    • justicewillprevail
      justicewillprevail
      December 26, 2013, 7:32 pm

      Ha ha, between Shavit and these idiots, one hesitates to even consider the sexual-political insecurities which result from the zionist mindclamp.

    • Citizen
      Citizen
      December 26, 2013, 9:48 pm

      @ a blah chick
      LOL. You’re sharp.

    • RoHa
      RoHa
      December 26, 2013, 10:10 pm

      “I mean jewelry? Poetry? A nice dinner? Trust me, fellas, some of us gals prefer these to anonymous sex in a toilet.”

      Dang! I’ll just never understand girls.

  8. piotr
    piotr
    December 26, 2013, 8:27 pm

    I do not know about 100 years, but this song is 93 years old.

    PALESTEENA
    J Russell Robinson (m) Con Conrad (l) 1920

    as rec by Frank Crumit w Orch cond by Charkles A Prince
    Oct 2nd 1920 New York

    also rec by-
    Eddie Cantor ’20
    Eric Concerto & his Yankee Jazz Band ’20
    Bernie Kreuger & his Orch ’20
    Vincent Lopez & his Orch ’20
    The Original Dixieland Jazz Band ’20
    The Plantation Jazz Orch ’20
    Nappy Lamare w Bob Crosby & his Bobcats ’30’s

    In The Bronx of New York City
    Lives a girl, she’s not so pretty,
    Lena is her name.
    Such a clever girl is Lena,
    How she plays a concertina,
    Really it’s a shame!

    She’s such a good musician,
    She got a swell position
    To go across the sea and entertain;
    And so they shipped poor Lena
    Way out to Palesteena;
    From what I hear, now she don’t look the same!

    They say that Lena is the queen of Palesteena,
    Just because she plays a concertina!
    She only knows one song,
    She plays it all day long;
    Sometimes she plays it wrong,
    But how they love it,
    Want more of it!

    I heard her play once or twice,
    Oh murder, tune it was nice!
    All the girls, they’re dressed like Lena,
    Some wear oatmeal, some Farina,
    Down old Palesteena way!

    Lena’s girlfriend, Arabella,
    Let her meet an Arab fella
    That she thought was grand!
    On a camel’s back a-swayin’,
    You could hear Miss Lena playin’
    O’er the desert sand.

    She didn’t play that new one,
    For all she knew was blue ones,
    Still Yusef sat and listened in his tent;
    And as he tried to kiss her,
    She heard that Arab whisper,
    “Oh Lena, play your instrument!”.

    [some repetitions follow]

    • miriam6
      miriam6
      December 27, 2013, 2:32 am

      [email protected];

      Thanks for your super post Piotr – I was quite unaware of this lovely song until you posted your comment. There appear to be quite a few video versions of the song on U Tube.

      Palesteena – Original Dixieland Jazz-Band , 1920

  9. Xpat
    Xpat
    December 26, 2013, 11:44 pm

    Yet more racism from Israel.
    At Ben Gurion airport, some 49 VIP rabbis can be driven by their chauffeur up to the plane when flying overseas.
    No imams or priests enjoy this privilege.
    http://www.haaretz.co.il/1.2201039 (Hebrew)

    • yrn
      yrn
      December 27, 2013, 4:39 am

      Elliot

      As you claim you have lived in Israel ?!
      If this is the impression you got from the Israel society all you miserable life in Israel.
      Well good that you have left.

      • Xpat
        Xpat
        December 27, 2013, 1:07 pm

        @yrn
        “If this is the impression you got from the Israel society all you miserable life in Israel.”
        I actually had a nice life as an Israeli Jew in Israel. Since leaving Israel, I have come to realize how much of that comfort was Jewish privilege made possible by disadvantaging non-Jews.
        To cite another religious example from Israel’s international airport, it has a synagogue but no designated place for Christians and Muslims to pray. The same is true in Israeli hospitals. As the recent Knesset story showed, Palestinian religious life is made invisible in Israeli public spaces.
        In contrast, a devout relative of mine just told me that he prayed with tallit and tefillin in the multi-faith “Meditation Room” at Schiphol airport right next to a Muslim man who was performing his own prayers.
        In case you were wondering, I am managing just fine here in the U.S. without Israeli Jewish privilege.

  10. MahaneYehude1
    MahaneYehude1
    December 27, 2013, 12:31 am

    Elliot:

    Yet more racism from Israel

    Thanks for the translation and the new information about racism from Israel. As an Israeli (I assume), don’t you think there is racism against Jews in Israel? For instance, What is the Muslims position in relation to the marriage where the woman is a Muslim and the man is a Jewish?

    • Woody Tanaka
      Woody Tanaka
      December 27, 2013, 1:00 pm

      “As an Israeli (I assume), don’t you think there is racism against Jews in Israel? For instance, What is the Muslims position in relation to the marriage where the woman is a Muslim and the man is a Jewish?”

      Tell you what, MY, when your government stops stealing Palestinian land to give to Jews, killing Palestinian people to preserve a Jewish-supremacist state, and oppressing and holding millions of Palestinians in open air prisons to enforce the dominance of the Jews in Palestine, then we’ll get right onto the very pressing issue of Jewish men not being able to score with the Muslim ladies.

    • Xpat
      Xpat
      December 27, 2013, 1:13 pm

      @MahaneYehuda:
      Thank you for not contesting that there is Jewish racism against non-Jews in Israel.
      There is no parallel between this Jewish racism that we agree exists and any possible anti-Jewish racism (which you have not demonstrated). Israeli racism is official, backed by laws and the Israeli Jewish power structure. The second is societal and exists in some form or other most places I know.

      • MahaneYehude1
        MahaneYehude1
        December 27, 2013, 6:46 pm

        @Elliot:

        Thank you for not contesting that there is Jewish racism against non-Jews in Israel.

        Don’t be surprised. I said it many times:
        http://mondoweiss.net/2013/11/palestinian-activists-incitement.html#comment-610963

        There is no parallel between this Jewish racism that we agree exists and any possible anti-Jewish racism (which you have not demonstrated)

        Let’s stick to the current post’s video. This video of Lehava is a racist and shows the ugly faces among us. In contrary to you, I think that the fact the Muslims don’t allow non-Muslims men to marry Muslim women (or even to be friends) is also kind of racism. I agree with you, it exists in most Muslims societies and it is not specifically against Jews. But, even if this phenomenon is societal, it doesn’t say it is not racist as much as I understand the term “racism”.

      • Xpat
        Xpat
        December 28, 2013, 3:25 am

        @mahaneh yehudah:
        “In contrary to you, I think that the fact the Muslims don’t allow non-Muslims men to marry Muslim women (or even to be friends) is also kind of racism. I agree with you, it exists in most Muslims societies and it is not specifically against Jews. ”
        I hope you are enjoying your imaginary debate. I never said the first statement that you disagree with or the second statement that you do agree with.
        I am not the source for your unfounded claims.

      • MahaneYehude1
        MahaneYehude1
        December 28, 2013, 9:51 am

        @Elliot;

        Indeed, I enjoyed the “debate” between us although it was short. Next time you visit Jerusalem, don’t forget to meet me in the Shuk, and enjoy Kurdish food with Chareef. Sein Stark!!!

      • Xpat
        Xpat
        December 28, 2013, 9:41 pm

        Mahane Yehuda –
        Cut out the warm welcome act. Your winking play of Sephardi and Yiddish confirms for me what others have already posted: you are a troll. I hope both of you who make up your online presence are well paid for being a nuisance.

  11. Kate
    Kate
    December 27, 2013, 12:50 am

    ‘50,000 Jewish women in “the villages”’

    Hmm, rampant paranoia, to be sure.

    This reminds me so much of what my mother (who was a racist) told me when we were driving through the Chinatown of a U.S. city decades ago. She claimed that behind most of the doors were white women being held prisoner. I don’t know how these rumors get started in the first place, but they seem to strike some chord in people disposed to believe the worst of ‘the other’.

    • Walid
      Walid
      December 27, 2013, 8:41 am

      Kate, a little story about Chinese people you probably didn’t hear from your mother unless she was a Catholic and was herself a child 60 years or so ago.

      There was a missionary movement “L’oeuvre de la Sainte-Enfance” started in 1843 in Nancy, France to save the souls of the heathen Chinese children by converting them. It became very active in the 1930s and up to the late 50s when it fizzed out. In a nutshell and to keep it simple for the students that were targeted by it, it involved having primary grades students buying into the opportunity to provide a Christian soul for a heathen Chinese child by bringing to class 25 cents to drop in the cardboard collections box on the teacher’s desk. Catholic kids deprived themselves of candy to put the 25 cents in the box and save a Chinese child at every chance they got. The parish priests went around schools to remind and encourage the students about their duty and their need to earn plenary indulgences (spiritual air miles) by buying a soul for a Chinese child and would distribute medals of merit to the class that had collected the most money during the month. Nobody knew where the money really ended up. In French, it was called “s’acheter un petit chinois” in the US it was said “to ransom pagan babies”. No wonder people became racist.

  12. just
    just
    December 27, 2013, 7:14 am

    So very disgusting and racist– is anyone really surprised?

    I hooted with laughter at this:

    “Is Bugs Bunny a Jew?
    Famous cartoon has prominent Jewish characteristics, claims British scholar David Yehuda Stern. And do you remember what animal was his arch-nemesis?
    By Haaretz | Dec. 26, 2013 | 6:43 PM | 7

    Bugs Bunny, the world’s most famous rabbit, is Jewish, a renowned British cinematic historian claims.

    Revealing his findings at a lecture held recently at Britain’s University of Warwick, Israeli daily newspaper Ma’ariv reported the film expert David Yehuda Stern claimed the cartoon character exhibits tell-tale Jewish traits: He lives in a Jewish neighborhood, has a distinctly New York/Jewish accent and uses witty repartee to side-step all attempts to eliminate him.

    Stern, who studied thousands of animated shorts featuring the rabbit, delved deep and found an episode in which Bugs Bunny’s early life in a New York neighborhood is portrayed. Stern revealed that the rabbit’s childhood panorama is alive with an array of Eastern European Jewish types, including ultra-Orthodox Jews.

    Lending credence to the theory of Jewish inspiration behind Bugs Bunny, Stern noted in his lecture that the both the cartoon’s producer and the character’s voice actor, Leon Schlesinger and Mel Blanc, were Jews.

    Correction: An earlier version of this article erroneously stated that Bugs Bunny’s most notorious enemy is Porky Pig. While the two are known to frequently squabble, often in the public eye, they are in fact good friends. ”

    http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/jewish-world-news/1.565544

    Surreal. “witty repartee” is not exactly how Israel “eliminates” folks.

    • Woody Tanaka
      Woody Tanaka
      December 27, 2013, 1:45 pm

      “So very disgusting and racist– is anyone really surprised?”

      Not surprised, but I don’t think it’s disgusting or racist; just stupid, ill informed and kind of pathetic.

      “uses witty repartee to side-step all attempts to eliminate him.”

      Except for when he does so by dressing in women’s clothes. I’m sure someone more learned in Judaism than I can explain how cross-dressing is a Jewish signifier…

  13. yrn
    yrn
    December 27, 2013, 3:15 pm

    Annie Robbins

    “I’m sure someone more learned in Judaism than I can explain how cross-dressing is a Jewish signifier…”
    How does Tanaka Antisemitic comment comes thorough moderation ?

    • Woody Tanaka
      Woody Tanaka
      December 27, 2013, 5:40 pm

      “How does Tanaka Antisemitic comment comes thorough moderation ?”

      It’s not antisemitic; it’s a joke to demonstrate that the paper suggesting that Bugs Bunny is Jewish is stupid.

      Bugs Bunny is a well known cross-dresser. So if, as the author suggested, we can say Bugs is Jewish because he “exhibits tell-tale Jewish traits” then one would have a hell of a time explaining his cross-dressing in this paradigm, given the fact that — here’s the important part, yarny, I don’t want you to miss it — there is no connection between Judaism and cross-dressing and the latter is in no way a signifier of the former. Here, I’ll type it in caps so you’ll understand: THERE IS NO CONNECTION BETWEEN JUDAISM AND CROSS-DRESSING AND THE LATTER IS IN NO WAY A SIGNIFIER OF THE FORMER.

      So, in other words, they attempted to make a case about his being Jewish by latching onto anything they could which might support the conclusion and rejecting everything that didn’t. It’s one giant exercise in the selection-bias fallacy.

      Get it??

  14. puppies
    puppies
    December 27, 2013, 3:25 pm

    JeffB saying ” Equally ignorant were the people who used it legal documents making it a crime who evidently didn’t know it applied to religion either.”

    Well in that case all of Zionism only applies to religious people; the Israelian citizenship of all atheists or such must immediately be revoked; the test of “being born to a Jewish woman” is to be rejected and only certified religious Jews (except of course the Anti-zionists) are to be considered Jewish. Which is all perfectly fine with me, and that is how it stands with normal people, whose religion is not forever tied to their accident of birth.

    Do you guys ever know if your racism is for a religious or a racial group? What a bunch of nauseating frauds.

    • JeffB
      JeffB
      December 28, 2013, 12:03 am

      @puppies

      This was a discussion about the meaning of the word “miscegenation”. This has nothing do with Zionism at all. You are quoting out of context.

      ___

      Anyway in terms of Zionism. This isn’t 1920. There is a nation of Israelis now. They have a common culture including a common language. They have a state religion called Judaism. They have extremely friendly ties with the other major group of Jews on the planet the Jews of America, and good ties with Jews most everywhere else. Israel sees itself as a home to Jews when they are in trouble since the Israeli people originated from scattered Jews.

      • puppies
        puppies
        December 29, 2013, 2:27 am

        “This was a discussion about the meaning of the word “miscegenation”. This has nothing do with Zionism at all. You are quoting out of context.”

        Oh no. The context is anti-miscegenation propaganda of a thoroughly Nazi character by Zionists. It goes to the very essence of the racist and genocidal doctrine of Zionism.

        “Anyway in terms of Zionism. This isn’t 1920. There is a nation of Israelis now. They have a common culture including a common language.”

        An illegitimate bunch of illegal occupiers who will have to wait for the citizenship status determination of each individual member when the time comes. That is not exactly a nation yet.
        Culture? Speaking a jerrybuilt, Hebrew-based creole language constructed in the 19th C. and first spoken in the 20th with the stated purpose of killing culture languages of many Jews, like Jiddisch German and Ladino Spanish (and almost successful in it by now). This entity has nothing to do with “the Jews”; it expels and tortures Palestinian Jews (see http://mondoweiss.net/2013/12/a-palestinian-messenger.html/comment-page-1#comment-624284) ; there is not a shadow of a proof that “the Israeli people originated from scattered Jews” but a lot of evidence of its not being generally so; the home of Jewish people (i.e. religious people) and others who acknowledge, without being religious, some Ashkenaze, Mizrahi, Sephardi, etc. cultural heritage is their actual home in the countries where they reside or have citizenship; the state Religion of the Zionist entity cannot be called Judaism tout court as it is considered an abomination by other branches of Judaism (which it is, for promoting a message of murder and intolerance, see the official rabbis of the entity on the subject of Goys.)

        Anyway, the anti-miscegenation message had been loud and repetitive way before the start of Zionism, with common-or-garden Jewish “community policing”, based generally on religious considerations. With the Zionist entity, it has now acquired a definitely Nazi-like character, as the violent racial hatred in has no common measure with that of old minority communities trying to protect their religious alien status.
        You, personally, are a propaganda agent for one of the most brutal land thefts and mass murders since WW2.

  15. The Hasbara Buster
    The Hasbara Buster
    December 29, 2013, 7:05 am

    This was a discussion about the meaning of the word “miscegenation”.

    Along with the authors of the OED dictionary who define it as: “Mixture of races; esp. the sexual union of whites with Negroes.”

    Oh, the old line that Jews can’t be racist because Judaism isn’t a race. The same logic by which Arabs can’t be antisemites because they’re Semites themselves.

    The short form “esp.” stands for “especially,” which doesn’t preclude other meanings. The word “race” means –among other things– “a group of people sharing the same culture, history, language, etc.; an ethnic group.” Finally, we have standard journalistic usage, in which “anti-miscegenation” is commonly applied to Israeli efforts to keep Arabs from mixing with Jews. Here you have an example.

    But since words, not concepts, are all that matters to you, I have no trouble rephrasing the sentence that sparked this little debate: Israel is the only developed nation where efforts to prevent one ethnic group from marrying another ethnic group enjoy official support.

    • JeffB
      JeffB
      December 29, 2013, 7:54 am

      @Hasbara Buster

      Mixture of races came before the “esp”. That part is absolute.

      Israel is the only developed nation where efforts to prevent one ethnic group from marrying another ethnic group enjoy official support.

      Still not true. The ethnicity of Palestinian Jews is the same as the ethnicity of Palestinians Muslims.

      • The Hasbara Buster
        The Hasbara Buster
        December 29, 2013, 1:26 pm

        @JeffB

        Mixture of races came before the “esp”. That part is absolute.

        Yep. That’s why I clarified for you that The word “race” means –among other things– “a group of people sharing the same culture, history, language, etc.; an ethnic group.” Did you miss it?

        Still not true. The ethnicity of Palestinian Jews is the same as the ethnicity of Palestinians Muslims.

        Allow me to ask for your source for this extraordinary statement.

        In any event, a mainstream Israeli lawmaker from the ruling party asked for more education “to prevent Jewish women from forging life connections with non-Jews.” Whatever name you give to it, there’s no analogous statement from any lawmaker from the ruling party of any other developed country.

      • JeffB
        JeffB
        December 29, 2013, 5:58 pm

        @Hasbara

        The word “race” means –among other things– “a group of people sharing the same culture, history, language, etc.; an ethnic group.” Did you miss it?

        Yes I did miss it. And that is trying to connect race a quasli-biological term to culture. Culture, language, history don’t change a race. And since we are using the OED they don’t agree, “A group of persons, animals, or plants, connected by common descent or origin.” The standard definition is, ” A race is a geographically separated, hence genetically somewhat distinctive, population within a species.” The word originated for a word for the biological children of a male horse as per Shakespeare’s usage, “Doe but note a wilde and wanton heard Or race of youthful and vnhandled coltes”.

        JeffB: Still not true. The ethnicity of Palestinian Jews is the same as the ethnicity of Palestinians Muslims.

        HB: Allow me to ask for your source for this extraordinary statement.

        That’s a tautology.

        In any event, a mainstream Israeli lawmaker from the ruling party asked for more education “to prevent Jewish women from forging life connections with non-Jews.” Whatever name you give to it, there’s no analogous statement from any lawmaker from the ruling party of any other developed country.

        That’s not anti-miscagination that’s objection to intermarriage. In terms of what country, mine. There were definitely mainstream lawmakers in the 1970s who were opposed to race mixing. To pick an example of a national hero, though not a lawmaker: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTeudEWOL4w

        Or if you want another example. Take a look at this blog where people preach the theology that land is a permanent racial inheritance and people of the wrong race are not entitled to live where they were born because they come from the wrong race. These sorts of opinions are common with European lawmakers and the UN.

      • puppies
        puppies
        December 29, 2013, 7:31 pm

        Once more: do you accept non-religious “Jews” as Jewish? Yes.
        Well then your category is racial by definition and all the rest of your rant re the miscegenation word is twaddle.
        In fact, retarded twaddle, because it doesn’t even realize what it is opening to.

      • The Hasbara Buster
        The Hasbara Buster
        December 30, 2013, 9:47 am

        @JeffB

        That’s not anti-miscagination that’s objection to intermarriage.

        That’s why I said Whatever name you give to it. Did you miss it?

        But Tzipi Hotovely does not just object to intermarriage. She calls for girls to be taught not to intermarry, and she does so in her capacity as a Member of Knesset and using taxpayer-funded facilities. We anti-Zionists, using a single standard, denounce the only country considered a democracy where such an outrage takes place, i.e. Israel.

        To pick an example of a national hero, though not a lawmaker

        Muhammad Ali’s clownish reflections about God having made us different and bluebirds not mating with red birds were statements made on a personal level several decades ago. Nothing to do with an official endorsement of “anti-intermarrying.”

      • JeffB
        JeffB
        December 29, 2013, 11:04 pm

        @puppies

        Once more: do you accept non-religious “Jews” as Jewish? Yes.
        Well then your category is racial by definition and all the rest of your rant re the miscegenation word is twaddle.

        I don’t and Israel doesn’t accept apostates as Jewish. I can’t apostatize from being white. Non-religious does not make one non-Jewish. Jews aren’t Baptists. They don’t need an adult sincere profession of faith where they are elected by the Holy Spirit.

      • puppies
        puppies
        December 30, 2013, 11:03 am

        That’s it, now that you (again) let the cat out of the bag, i.e. that you defined “Jewish” as religious, not racial, and have to square a circle, pretend to be retarded and not to understand what’s being said.
        – you objected to the use of the word “miscegenation” because it should, on the authority of some five-and-dime lexicographer, apply to racial differences, and you said that the story about Jews was religious
        – at which you were proposed the logic of either accepting that Zionism is totally racist for accepting non-religious people as “Jewish” because the only test is racial (i.e. being born of a “Jewish” woman), or alternatively it is religious as you said, with a religious obligation like for Saudi Arabia
        – you continued to play it dumb and try every kind of obfuscation.
        So here:
        either Zionits (who were overwhelmingly atheist but anyway rabidly racial-nationalist up into the 60s) must restrict the illegal entry to Palestine on the basis of a religious test, no matter ancestry. And, of course, expel all the non-religious who fornicate in the loo,
        or they have to stick to their racial definition and obviously they are doing all they can, including a lot of inhuman lawgiving, against miscegenation.
        Writing unrelated gobbledygook on apostasy. anastasy or hypostasy won’t fix it.

      • JeffB
        JeffB
        December 30, 2013, 11:19 am

        @puppies

        Your error is this. Atheist Jews are religious Jews in good standing. They are still absolutely fully 100% Jewish in the religious sense. Judaism isn’t Christianity. There is nothing remotely like sola fide. Heck, I know orthodox Jews who don’t believe in God but keep the rituals. What you believe doesn’t really matter much in Judaism, it is a religion of rituals.

      • puppies
        puppies
        December 30, 2013, 4:41 pm

        @jeff – gee, more creative bullshit, hallucinating now.
        “Atheist Jews are religious Jews”, sure, and I am Napoleon’s bellybutton.
        How come they didn’t lock that guy up? Must be Zionist protection.

    • puppies
      puppies
      December 29, 2013, 9:30 am

      “ethnic group” here is the Zionists’ own misrepresentation.
      Membership in this tribe is defined as “born to a Jewish woman”.
      Mind you, with so much paranoiac need for traceability that male lineage isn’t accepted.
      Racism is commonly and most succinctly defined as discrimination tied to an accident of birth. There isn’t anything more “accident” of birth than who your mother is.
      So let’s please stop playing silly games. Racism it is.

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