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“Odeh is dying, they didn’t let [the ambulance] enter”. Those are the crushing words of Radaad Hamad as he recalls the day six weeks ago that Israeli soldiers sat in jeeps meters away and did nothing as his brother lay dying.

Odeh Hamad was killed on his 27th birthday, shot in the head with a live bullet by the Israeli military December 20, 2013. At the time he was with Radaad, and the two brothers were collecting scrap metal at the Beit Hanoun garbage dump in Gaza to support their family. Odeh was 27, and Radad is 23. Both were known among the locals as making their living off collecting scrap.

After Amira Hass wrote about the killing Israel’s military claimed that it had fired warning shots at the men.

“The troops on site repeatedly tried to distance them….”

B’tselem recently issued a report about the killing of Odeh Hamad that tells a different story:

B’Tselem’s inquiries indicate that ‘Odeh Hamad did, indeed, cut some of the barbed wire close to the military perimeter fence, apparently in order to sell the metal. However, B’Tselem’s inquiries have found that, contrary to the Military Spokesperson’s claim, a ‘suspect arrest procedure’ was not carried out. The fact that Hamad was hit in the head rather than in his legs indicates that the shooting did not follow this procedure, which prohibits shooting at the head at any stage. Moreover, according to Radad Hamad’s testimony, no attempt was made prior to the shooting to warn the brothers or to get them to move away from the fence.

Odeh Hamad was shot in the head despite posing no danger to anyone. While he was lying wounded, close to the soldiers on the other side of the fence, Red Crescent paramedics wasted precious time trying to find him. The soldiers offered Hamad no medical assistance, nor did they help the paramedics locate him. B’Tselem has written to the MAG Corps demanding that a criminal investigation be launched to examine the circumstances of the shooting, including the fact that the injured Hamad was not given any medical assistance. Although the incident took place over a month ago, the MAG Corps has yet to notify B’Tselem of its decision.

B’Tselem has documented previous cases in which soldiers shot at scrap collectors at the Beit Hanoun garbage dump, yet in most cases there were no injuries. B’Tselem knows of four other cases in the past year and a half in which civilians – including Odeh and Radad Hamad’s brother Khaled and an employee of Beit Hanoun Municipality – were injured under similar circumstances by military gunfire in the garbage dump.

The harsh economic situation and the scarcity of jobs in Gaza leads young men to risk their lives collecting scraps close to Israel’s military perimeter fence. The head of the Beit Hanoun Municipality told B’Tselem field researcher Muhammad Sabah that the municipality is trying to prevent scrap collectors from entering the garbage dump, even fining those it finds there. Two other young men injured in similar incidents told Sabah of the circumstances that made them risk their lives in such a fashion, and of how they were injured.

When Radaad Hamad spoke with B’tselem field researcher Muhammad Sabah he spoke of the conditions of his work as a scrap collector:

20140114_radad_hamadFor the past two months, my brother ‘Odeh and I have been collecting scraps at the garbage dump northeast of Beit Hanoun, near the perimeter fence in the northern Gaza Strip. We collect plastic and metal scraps: pipes, packaging, lids, boxes, cans and poles. We have no other job and we have to provide for our families.

It’s exhausting work and we hate the smell, but there’s no choice. We go to the dump every day around noon, after the municipality workers dump the garbage. We collect the stuff and sell it to plastic and metal traders. We usually make about 20-30 shekels [approx. 6-9 USD] a day.

On Friday, 20 December 2013, at around 12:00 noon, my brother and I bicycled to the garbage dump. We started gathering scraps a few meters away from the fence, across from the military towers. Suddenly, at around 3:20, I heard gunfire, and then heard my brother shout and fall down. I ran over and found him lying on his back. His head was bleeding. Then a few more shots were fired in our direction, and I got hit in the arm. I didn’t have a phone on me, so I ran to get help. About an hour later, my brother was taken to hospital. He died about ten minutes after getting there.

Amira Hass reminds us the land in which the brothers were shot is within the area Israel has designated as a “buffer zone”(an area that eats up as much as 30% of Gaza’s arable farmland):

The IDF has designated 300 meters beyond the border fence a buffer zone. It is hard for residents of the crowded Gaza Strip to give up this land, most of which is agricultural land. As such, farmers as well as scrap collectors endanger their lives by trying to work in these areas. They believe that the IDF has excellent surveillance equipment, and that soldiers can tell the difference between armed individuals and civilians.

Beit Hanoun garbage dump, Gaza, Palestine. (Photo by Muhammad Sabah, B’Tselem)

Beit Hanoun garbage dump, Gaza, Palestine. (Photo by Muhammad Sabah, B’Tselem)

 

B’Tselem spoke with Iman, Odeh Hamad’s wife, about the day that she says her soul was ripped from her body:

On the afternoon of Friday, 20 December 2013, I got the worst news of my life – that my husband was dead. I was in total shock. I never thought anything like this would happen to us. It was like my soul had been torn from my body. I had nothing left to live for. The future I’d always dreamed about, with my husband and a baby, was lost.

I got the message that my husband was killed while I was busy preparing for his birthday celebration. I was decorating the house so it would be ready when he got home in the afternoon. He thought he’d make enough money that day to buy groceries for the celebration: a cake, candles and soda. But the birthday became a day of death, our happiness turned into grief and the party turned into a gathering of mourners. Just like that, I became a widow. Since then I’ve been in shock, sad, frustrated and hopeless.

Thinking of the soldier whose bullet pierced Odeh’s head, and the others who sat there watching as Odeh lay dying, I’m reminded of the poem “I am you” by Gazan poet Refaat Alareer, editor of Gaza Writes Back. Here’s just a smidgin:

I am just you.
‏I am your past haunting
‏Your present and your future.
‏I strive like you did.
‏I fight like you did.
‏I resist like you resisted
‏And for a moment,
‏I’d take your tenacity
‏As a model,
‏Were you not holding
‏The barrel of the gun
‏Between my bleeding
‏Eyes.

Thanks to the Institute of Middle East Understanding (IMEU) for featuring the video of Radaad above.

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  1. American
    American
    February 10, 2014, 10:31 am

    ”Those who spread treachery, fire and death out of hatred of others are undeserving of pity.”
    ….Jose Marti

  2. giladg
    giladg
    February 10, 2014, 11:31 am

    Annie, why don’t you tell us how many bombs have been going off on the border fence during the past few months? I know such news does not make headlines in the media you like to follow. Not only does this news not make headlines, it does not make it anywhere in the back pages as well. Soldiers as well as civilians are being attacked on a ever increasing basis. In December a civilian was killed by a sniper bullet from Gaza. And how do the bombs get to the fence? Do they fly there on the backs of trained pigeons or do you think vulnerable kids are paid to plant them? One would think reading your story that all is quiet on the Gaza border until the day two brother came along to collect plastic bottles. Annie, you read the news that feeds your narrative. That is why you do not understand the full picture.

    • annie
      annie
      February 10, 2014, 12:59 pm

      gilad, why don’t you read the article again. the ‘buffer’ is 30% of gaza’s arable agricultural land. people need to eat and make a living. not only has israel shrunk gaza time and again this so called ‘buffer’ robs them of their livelihood. if israel wants a buffer they should place it on israel’s side of the border.

      furthermore, as the article explains, the brothers go there to collect scrap metal on a regular basis. allegedly israel has a suspect procedure.

      “the IDF has excellent surveillance equipment, and that soldiers can tell the difference between armed individuals and civilians.”

      young soldiers should not be executing civilians trying to feed their families. there’s no excuse for it, just like there’s no excuse for the killing of the israeli worker trying to fix the fence last december.

      • giladg
        giladg
        February 10, 2014, 1:22 pm

        If the Gazan’s are lobbying rockets into Israel, why should Israel place a buffer zone in it’s territory? This will only encourage more rockets and the bigger the rockets get the bigger the buffer zone will need to be. Are you aware that rockets were fired yesterday? I am sure the LA Times skipped this one as usual. Stop firing rockets, stop planting bombs and there will be no need for a buffer zone. And please don’t get into the “Gaza is a prison” thing again. Never mind Hamas’s stated position to destroy Israel.
        In any case there are often confrontations near the fence with stone throwing rioting and destruction of the fence. There are a number of video’s of such rioting and the Gazan’s know that 99% of the time, if they throw stones, nothing will come of it.
        Did you happen to skip the story in Oct about the terror tunnel uncovered on the fence? Do you know how much money went into that tunnel? If you are truly concerned about civilians trying to feed their families, then you should call on Hamas to stop spending money on terror tunnels, weapons and bombs.
        Out of interest, please tell me how many bombs have gone off on the fence over the past four months?

      • kalithea
        kalithea
        February 11, 2014, 7:19 pm

        To paraphrase the great Helen Thomas: GO BACK TO WHERE YOU CAME FROM!

        SQUATTER!

      • talknic
        talknic
        February 12, 2014, 4:28 am

        @ giladg “If the Gazan’s are lobbying rockets into Israel”

        .. actual Israeli territory? Not many

        “… why should Israel place a buffer zone in it’s territory?”

        Why should Israeli forces and Israeli citizens be in non-Israeli territory in the first place?

        “This will only encourage more rockets and the bigger the rockets get the bigger the buffer zone will need to be”

        The more territory you illegally acquire and illegally populate, the more likely those people will become collateral.

        “Are you aware that rockets were fired yesterday?”

        Are you aware Israel has been in non-Israeli territory for 65 years?

        “Stop firing rockets, stop planting bombs and there will be no need for a buffer zone”

        F$^K OFF out of non-Israeli territory..

        “Did you happen to skip the story in Oct about the terror tunnel “

        The alleged ‘terror tunnel’ made absolutely no sense … an expensive concrete lined tunnel highly likely to be discovered the moment it is used doesn’t add up.

        It started in a green house and went to two point of exit where illegal settlers could escape and/or smuggle arms and goods into Gaza before dis-engagement. It, like so many illogical accusations from Israel seems to have slipped off the radar quite quickly.

        “into that tunnel? “

        More than was logical for a once only operation by the Palestinians

      • AlGhorear
        AlGhorear
        February 10, 2014, 2:33 pm

        @giladg If you think Israel needs a security zone on the border with Gaza, then put it on YOUR side. Imagine the outcry if the US maintained a security zone INSIDE Mexico or Canada and shot at people who approached the zone. No other country does that.

      • yrn
        yrn
        February 10, 2014, 2:43 pm

        AlGhorear

        Since when is the US in a war conflict with Canada and Mexico.

      • kalithea
        kalithea
        February 11, 2014, 7:21 pm

        The U.S. is STEALING land from Canada and Mexico??? News to me!

      • giladg
        giladg
        February 10, 2014, 2:53 pm

        AlGhorear, if Canada started firing rockets into the US, the US would flatten it.

      • Djinn
        Djinn
        February 11, 2014, 2:16 am

        And if the US had to deal with mass invasion of people who wanted to set up a colony that actively discriminated against those who weren’t forced out by the invaders initial terrorism then fighting that intifada would be the highest calling and those that took up arms would be considered heros worldwide.

      • kalithea
        kalithea
        February 11, 2014, 7:23 pm

        Buaaaaaaaaaaaahaha! I can play that game:

        If the U.S. started STEALING land from Canada, Canada would flatten it!

      • talknic
        talknic
        February 12, 2014, 3:02 am

        @ giladg ” if Canada started firing rockets into the US”

        Your analogy fails pal! Why would they? The US hasn’t been occupying Canadian territory for 65 years.

        Israel is still occupying Palestinian territory after 65 years

        Jerusalem Declared Israel-Occupied City- by Israeli Government Proclamation 12 Aug 1948 http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Foreign+Relations/Israels+Foreign+Relations+since+1947/1947-1974/2+Jerusalem+Declared+Israel-Occupied+City-+Governm.htm (sorry about the biased, antisemitic source (not))

      • Shingo
        Shingo
        February 12, 2014, 6:06 am

        AlGhorear, if Canada started firing rockets into the US, the US would flatten it.

        It would also flatten Canada if Canada tried to occupy it or impose a blockade.

      • Kathleen
        Kathleen
        February 10, 2014, 3:15 pm

        “put it on your side” what a concept

      • jon s
        jon s
        February 10, 2014, 2:48 pm

        The buffer zone is 300 metres, not 30% of Gaza’s arable land. The link you provided which mentions the “30%” figure is 4 years old and I’m not sure it was accurate even then.

      • Djinn
        Djinn
        February 11, 2014, 2:19 am

        Have you actually been and seen it yourself Jon? Do you have any concept of the amount of arable land available on a coastal strip which is one of the most heavily populated places on earth? Once again your logic is deficient. No-one said that 300 metres (regularly and arbitrarily increased by Israel) equated to 30% of ALL land in Gaza but of the ARABLE land.

      • Sumud
        Sumud
        February 11, 2014, 3:08 am

        The buffer zone is 300 metres, not 30% of Gaza’s arable land. The link you provided which mentions the “30%” figure is 4 years old and I’m not sure it was accurate even then.

        Wrong.

        The 300m buffer zone is more than 30%, it’s closer to 35%, from the B’Tselem link Annie included in the story:

        Yet, three months later [after Nov. 2012], the Military Spokesperson informed Israeli human rights organization Gisha …that Palestinians may not come nearer than 300 meters from the fence – the same as the previously authorized distance. 17% of the Gaza Strip and 35% of its agricultural land are located within these restricted areas.

        The passage of time has not changed Gaza’s geography.

        More on the buffer zone:

        EI reported in 2010 on Israel’s ever increasing buffer zone, quoting Palestine Centre for Human Rights (PCHR) apparently the agreed buffer distance under Oslo, on Palestinian land, was 50 metres.
        – from the same EI article:

        In 2000, this was unilaterally expanded by the Israelis to 150 meters on the Palestinian side only, expanded again to 300 meters with the threat to shoot anyone found within that distance in January 2009, a threat reiterated by air-dropped leaflets in May 2009.

        – October 2010, Defence for Children International DCI reported on a number of shooting during 2010 in and beyond the buffer zone, with 28 of the 38 who were killed being children and 67% of them being beyond the [unilaterally] Israeli-imposed buffer zone. Link to call for action on DCI web site here, the PDF on that page lists the child victims and their activities and distance from the border at the time they were shot, the furtherest being 1000m away.
        – The same month The Independent quoted the UN’s Office of Co-ordination of Humanitarian Affairs:

        …that Israel had been using live fire to enforce an exclusion zone of up to 1000-1,500 metres along the eastern border.

        B’Tselem reported October 2013 that Israel reneged on the terms of it’s Nov 2012 ceasefire agreement after “Operation Pillar of Defence” to reduce the buffer zone to 150m and had again unilaterally expanded it to 300m, and beyond.

        People may remember from April 2010 the live footage of Maltese photographer Bianca Zammit – she unwittingly filmed her own shooting. Her crime: documenting a non-violent protest with young Gazans:

        They’ll shoot anybody.

        And lest anybody have illusions, the Government of Israel lets private sector Israeli weapons manufacturers use Gaza as a location to test their weapons.

        On real people.

        The same people who are suffering malnutrition because of the Gaza Blockade, and trying to farm their land:

        IDF’s newest heroes: Women spotters on Gaza border

        Lethal joysticks

        Anshel Pfeffer scratched the surface in the above two articles, but Jonathan Cook was more brutally honest a few months later [my emphasis]:

        …According to analysts, however, Israel is unlikely to turn its back on hardware that it has been at the forefront of developing – using the occupied Palestinian territories, and especially Gaza, as testing laboratories. Remotely controlled weapons systems are in high demand from repressive regimes and the burgeoning homeland security industries around the globe. “These systems are still in the early stages of development but there is a large and growing market for them,” said Shlomo Brom, a retired general and defence analyst at the Institute of National Security Studies at Tel Aviv University.

        Israel paves the way for killing by remote control

      • Shingo
        Shingo
        February 12, 2014, 6:07 am

        The buffer zone is 300 metres, not 30% of Gaza’s arable land

        Do the math dude and multiply 300 by the length of the border, and you get 30%.

      • Mayhem
        Mayhem
        February 11, 2014, 12:15 am

        In a statement reported by the BBC
        (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-25470126) the Israel
        Defence Forces (IDF) had said:
        “During the past few hours several incidents took place along the security fence with the Gaza Strip.

        “Palestinians caused damage to the northern security fence, fired a mortar shell that hit the Shaar HaNegev regional council, rioted and hurled rocks at soldiers in the northern Gaza Strip, and neared the fence in an attempt to enter Israel.

        “Soldiers attempted to contain these violent events by calling out to the Palestinians but to no avail, and in accordance with the incident used live fire. Several hits were identified.”

        Naturally Radad Hamad would say there was no warning given – why believe him? Because he is a Palestinian? Did he take a lie detector test?

        Under the Geneva Conventions, Israel has the duty to ensure the security of Israel and its citizens. In order to fulfill the latter, it may prohibit access to certain areas. Israel is not obliged to sacrifice its territory for the sake of Gazan militants who continue to threaten it with their belligerence.

        BTW, the remark “The troops on site repeatedly tried to distance them….” was not in the article attributed to Amira Hass.

      • annie
        annie
        February 11, 2014, 1:41 am

        Naturally Radad Hamad would say there was no warning given – why believe him? Because he is a Palestinian? Did he take a lie detector test?

        Naturally Israel would say there was a warning given – why believe them? Because they are Jewish? Did they take a lie detector test?

        Israel is not obliged to sacrifice its territory for the sake of Gazan militants who continue to threaten it with their belligerence.

        what evidence do you have odeh was a ‘militant’? or is that what every young gazan male represents to you?

      • MahaneYehude1
        MahaneYehude1
        February 11, 2014, 2:07 am

        @annie;

        what evidence do you have odeh was a ‘militant’? or is that what every young gazan male represents to you?

        For unknown reason to me, only the Israeli side has to provide “evidences” and “proofs”. Don’t ignore the fact that such events, that I condemn, are rare. If the Israeli army is so brutal, as you think, and shoot innocent people on the fence only for entertainment, so why don’t we see hundreds of events like this one each day? Why don’t you ask proof that the brothers went to the fence to collect plastic materials? It seems to me that no matter what the IDF would say, you always blame it.

      • yrn
        yrn
        February 11, 2014, 7:17 am

        Annie Robbins
        what evidence do you have odeh was a ‘militant’? or is that what every young gazan male represents to you?

        When someone gets close to a fence of an ENEMY border and cut’s the fence, he is certainly not coming on a peace mission.
        He was raised up knowing that Israel is his worse enemy and he chooses to go and cut the fence…… ????

      • Sumud
        Sumud
        February 11, 2014, 3:22 am

        Under the Geneva Conventions, Israel has the duty to ensure the security of Israel and its citizens.

        Mayhem , Gaza remains under military occupation by Israel and has obligations for the welfare of the occupied population, under the same Geneva Conventions you attempt to employ to justify the shooting of civilians in Gaza.

      • just
        just
        February 11, 2014, 7:48 am

        bingo!, Sumud.

        It’s a real shame that Israelis and others forget that FACT. Don’t you just love it when they trot out part of international law that suits/serves their violent agenda while ignoring/flouting everything else?

        What next? That the young man and his brother were shot for their own good?

      • jon s
        jon s
        February 11, 2014, 2:15 pm

        Sumud, in case you haven’t heard the news, Gaza is firmly controlled by the Hamas, not under Israeli occupation.

      • Sumud
        Sumud
        February 11, 2014, 8:04 pm

        …Gaza is firmly controlled by the Hamas, not under Israeli occupation.

        And the free people of the Warsaw Ghetto ate pierogi and laughed and were merry.

      • Mayhem
        Mayhem
        February 12, 2014, 8:09 am

        @sumud, you trot out the usual list of anti-Israel criticisms that are
        part of the standard script, whereby Hamas is magically absolved of any responsibility for its actions and its situation.

        The reference to the Warsaw Ghetto is seriously offensive and by going
        along with that obscenity your remarks disqualify yourself from any
        legitimacy. With British Labour MP Yasmin Qureshi having been required to make an apology for an equivalent slur (see http://labourlist.org/2014/02/the-situation-in-gaza-is-bad-but-to-compare-it-to-the-holocaust-is-grotesque-yasmin-qureshi-should-apologise/), I would suggest that to maintain any further semblance of credibility you and your ilk need to do the same.

      • kalithea
        kalithea
        February 11, 2014, 7:26 pm

        “Under the Geneva Conventions, Israel has the duty to ensure the security of Israel and its citizens.”

        Under the Geneva Conventions Israel has the obligation to ensure the security and well-being of the occupied and STEALING LAND from them is a WAR CRIME.

      • jon s
        jon s
        February 12, 2014, 1:50 am

        Sumud,
        Here we go again with the obscene and absurd comparison with the Warsaw Ghetto. Why don’t you try to reply on topic, on the situation in Gaza, and leave the Holocaust out of it?

      • Djinn
        Djinn
        February 12, 2014, 4:45 am

        Sumud, in case you haven’t heard the news, Gaza is firmly controlled by the Hamas, not under Israeli occupation.

        JonS in case you haven’t heard the news Israel controls the approaches by air, sea and land (Egypt also but let’s not pretend that the control at Rafah is not entirely down to US pressure and blackmail at the behest of Israel).

        Israel controls exports and imports.

        Israel regularly bombs and enters Gaza at will, destroying any structure at all (including mere fabric shanties) within the exclusion zone which even by Israeli reckoning is land OUTSIDE OF ISRAEL, ergo the exclusion zone is 100% occupied in the traditional sense. The rest of Gaza is not usually physically occupied by Israeli forces just utterly and completely controlled. That semantic point may bring you some comfort. It brings absolutely none to my friends trapped behind Israeli walls.

        Israel controls who may enter and leave. You know as someone who has travelled in every continent I have never before needed the permission of the country I am LEAVING to enter another. When I left the US recently I did not need their permission to enter immediately afterwards either Venezuela or Cuba. To enter Gaza I need not only Israeli permission but have to accept delays of hours and sometimes days, harassment, endless interviewing, searches of my person and property and sometimes outright abuse.

        I will not give you the benefit of the doubt anymore. You have proven yourself to be utterly disingenuous.

      • Sumud
        Sumud
        February 12, 2014, 9:39 am

        @sumud, you trot out the usual list of anti-Israel criticisms that are part of the standard script, whereby Hamas is magically absolved…

        Tell me Mayhem, of the obscenities I listed, which are Hamas responsible for?

        Is it Hamas or Israel undertaking military occupation of Gaza?

        The reference to the Warsaw Ghetto is seriously offensive and by going along with that obscenity your remarks disqualify yourself from any
        legitimacy.

        I would suggest that to maintain any further semblance of credibility you and your ilk need to do the same.

        Sorry to burst your bubble Mayhem but I just don’t care if you think me to be credible or not. I’m happy for my contributions here at MW to be judged on merit by individuals.

        I’m not the one defending a racial/religious supremacist state seeking to take a civilian population to the brink of destruction. I think that is “seriously offensive”. I wonder if it damages your credibility in the minds of others…?

        Read all about it, the latest from the Warsaw Gaza Ghetto:

        The Guardian – Harriet Sherwood / Goodbye Gaza: our correspondent reflects on her time in the Middle East

      • talknic
        talknic
        February 12, 2014, 3:13 am

        Mayhem “Defence Forces (IDF) had said: …. Palestinians caused damage to the northern security fence, fired a mortar shell that hit the Shaar HaNegev regional council, rioted and hurled rocks at soldiers in the northern Gaza Strip, and neared the fence in an attempt to enter Israel”

        Problem. They’re lying. The security fence is built entirely on Palestinian side of the actual proclaimed border http://www.trumanlibrary.org/whistlestop/study_collections/israel/large/documents/newPDF/49.pdf Israel has not since legally annexed any territory it has illegally acquired by force since 00:01 May 15th 1948 (ME time)

        “Under the Geneva Conventions, Israel has the duty to ensure the security of Israel and its citizens.”

        Indeed! By keeping them OUT of all non-Israeli territory it occupies.

        “In order to fulfill the latter, it may prohibit access to certain areas.”

        It MUST keep Israeli citizens out of occupied territories and protect the occupied, their property and their territory

        “Israel is not obliged to sacrifice its territory for the sake of Gazan militants who continue to threaten it with their belligerence”

        Israel is not sacrificing any Israel territory, it has been illegally acquiring non-Israeli territory. The occupied and dispossessed have a right to attack any armed Israeli in non-Israeli territory

      • Sumud
        Sumud
        February 12, 2014, 5:33 am

        jon s –

        Here we go again with the obscene and absurd comparison with the Warsaw Ghetto.

        You’re in no position to lecture me on the obscene jon s – not while defending the Startup Nation’s very own concentration camp in Gaza, an exercise in man-made human misery and suffering if ever there was one.

        Obscene:
        • locking 1.5 million people into a confined space and “putting them on a diet”
        • ever increasing restrictions on Palestinian farming and fishing, part of the starvation plan
        • shooting hundreds of farmers, old people and children in the buffer zone every year
        • wholesale demolition of thousands of homes and all variety of civilian and civil infrastructure including water, sewage and power plants
        • raining down white phosphorous on civilians
        • the IDF herding whole families into houses then calling in air strikes to flatten them
        • shooting civilians holding white flags
        • letting people slowly die after being shot by refusing medical access
        • bombing hospitals and schools
        • Israel’s private sector weapons manufacturers using Gaza’s population as human guinea pigs

        …and the list goes on. Nearly a decade now.

        Also obscene:
        • ignoring these crimes
        • pretending Israel is the victim not the perpetrator
        • faux outrage about comparison with the holocaust

        Really jon s- who the hell do you think you’re kidding with the “Gaza isn’t occupied” routine…?

        Wake up.

        Why don’t you try to reply on topic, on the situation in Gaza, and leave the Holocaust out of it?

        You protest too much.

        I doubt you’re a psychopath jon s – try to listen to your conscience. You may need to be very still, and in a quiet place, but I’m sure it’s there. Ever so faint. Listen.

        What Israel is doing to the people of Gaza, a majority of them children, is an abomination, a stain – multiple war crimes. There have been other similar atrocities and I’m not going to pretend there hasn’t, for your personal comfort.

        More fact-based “on-topic” discussion from me, in this very thread even, posted yesterday:

        http://mondoweiss.net/2014/02/killing-odeh-hamad.html/comment-page-1#comment-639782

        When are YOU going to start arguing with FACTS jon s?

    • amigo
      amigo
      February 10, 2014, 1:22 pm

      “B’Tselem’s inquiries indicate that ‘Odeh Hamad did, indeed, cut some of the barbed wire close to the military perimeter fence, apparently in order to sell the metal. However, B’Tselem’s inquiries have found that, contrary to the Military Spokesperson’s claim, a ‘suspect arrest procedure’ was not carried out. The fact that Hamad was hit in the head rather than in his legs indicates that the shooting did not follow this procedure, which prohibits shooting at the head at any stage. Moreover, according to Radad Hamad’s testimony, no attempt was made prior to the shooting to warn the brothers or to get them to move away from the fence.”

      And you zio ,ignore facts that might undo your narrative.

      Read the article then shoot (pun intended) your mouth off.

      • giladg
        giladg
        February 10, 2014, 2:45 pm

        amigo, I’ll try to enlighten you about conflict zones. This may come as news to you but they are a mess. Mistakes happen and stray bullets sometimes hit the wrong and unintended target. Take the fields on the Gazan side of the border. The area is not a flat piece of land. There are small hills and ditches. So by aiming at someone’s leg, firing and then missing the target, could see the bullet hitting someone behind the target standing in a ditch with his head at the level of the knees of the person being shot at. The person firing the bullet may easily miss the background objects. The IDF is not perfect but if far better than most of the others out there. Accidents will always happen. An Israel officer was killed last week on the Gazan border from friendly fire. Tragic.

      • kalithea
        kalithea
        February 11, 2014, 7:30 pm

        “I’ll try to enlighten you about conflict zones.”

        Zionist hubris (Check)

        “Mistakes happen and stray bullets sometimes hit the wrong and unintended target.”

        Zionist lies (Check)

        “Accidents will always happen.”

        Zionist coverup of kill quota (Check&Check)

      • Shingo
        Shingo
        February 12, 2014, 6:12 am

        Mistakes happen and stray bullets sometimes hit the wrong and unintended target.

        It’s amazing how many stray bullets don’t hit Israelis. Chris Rock once did a great stand up comedy act and pondered whether there would be so many stray bullets if the price of bullets killing African Americans is went up astronomically.

      • eljay
        eljay
        February 12, 2014, 7:38 am

        >> amigo, I’ll try to enlighten you about conflict zones. This may come as news to you but they are a mess. Mistakes happen and stray bullets sometimes hit the wrong and unintended target.

        When “mistakes happen and stray bullets sometimes hit the wrong and unintended target” and those targets are Palestinian, it’s just the cost of conflict. But when “mistakes happen and stray bullets sometimes hit the wrong and unintended target” and those targets are Jewish Israelis, it’s Anti-Semitism and the Coming of the Second Holocaust!

        Zio-supremacists love to talk the tough talk, but they sure do cry like little babies when they have to walk the tough walk. :-(

      • talknic
        talknic
        February 12, 2014, 10:52 am

        @ giladg “I’ll try to enlighten you about conflict zones.”

        A propagandists don’t enlighten, it’s not in their brief. Their role is to lie, obfuscate, mislead, deny, repeat crap, make themselves look like a thorough morons when faced with incontrovertible evidence

        “This may come as news to you but they are a mess. Mistakes happen and stray bullets sometimes hit the wrong and unintended target.”

        Indeed, that’s why the GCs exist to also protect the the civilian population of the Occupying Power by forbidding them to illegally enter or settle in occupied territories. Why moronic Israeli apologists and successive Israeli Governments don’t give a f&*k about Israeli civilians is quite bizarre

        “Take the fields on the Gazan side of the border”

        What border are you babbling about? I thought Israel didn’t have a border yet… (even though it proclaimed and was recognized by the boundaries of UNGA res 181). Propagandists for Israel will say anything, no matter that they contradict themselves, each other and the propaganda script, which is so full of holes, there’s nothing but loose threads

        The border is miles away from the security fence http://wp.me/pDB7k-Xk

        “The IDF is not perfect but if far better than most of the others out there.”

        Statistics please

    • Mndwss
      Mndwss
      February 10, 2014, 1:53 pm

      giladg, why don’t you tell us how many bombs have been going off on the border fence during the past few months?

      Was all of them Israeli?

    • Daniel Rich
      Daniel Rich
      February 10, 2014, 2:25 pm

      @ giladg,

      Why don’t you tell us about how a marksman and his team operate? What does the guy who pulls the trigger see before his target goes down? Please, enlighten me, so I can see ‘the full picture.’

      Mind you, I’ve seen people who’d been shot through and through [heads] up-close and personal. That’s a picture I’ll never forget, but please do tell the victim’s [Israel’s] pov, because that’s always duly missed in these ‘one sided’ tearjerkers about Palestinian dead…

    • Kathleen
      Kathleen
      February 10, 2014, 3:11 pm

      giladg do you have one compassionate fucking bone in your cold body for this young man Odeh who was so brutally shot in the head by cold blooded murdering Israeli military members? Do you have one ounce of compassion for this young man and his brother and family. I know you do not. These cold blooded murderers need to be tried and convicted…enough

      • MahaneYehude1
        MahaneYehude1
        February 10, 2014, 4:00 pm

        @Kathleen:

        I condemn the killing of Odeh and I hope IDF will investigate this event. In case a crime was committed, I hope that the guilty will be convicted and punished.

        giladg do you have one compassionate fucking bone in your cold body for this young man Odeh who was so brutally shot in the head by cold blooded murdering Israeli military members?

        Kathleen, I checked in your profile and I didn’t find any condemnation to killing of Israelis. Several months ago, an Israeli soldier was murdered in cold blood by his Palestinian “friend”, but I didn’t hear your voice. Why? do you have compassion for us or do you keep it for special events you selectively choose?

      • amigo
        amigo
        February 11, 2014, 6:43 am

        mehane, if an Israeli soldier gets killed, that,s life.

        Complain to the GOI.They are the reason why Israeli thugs get killed.

        No skin off my nose if a member of the least moral army gets taken out.

    • Kathleen
      Kathleen
      February 10, 2014, 3:14 pm

      Shot in the head…IN THE HEAD. No warning, no effort to approach…just shot him in the head. Probably laughing the whole time. We have seen enough video clips of how ruthless, arrogant and ethnocentric Israeli soldiers are…not an ounce of compassion or integrity. Not an ounce.

    • talknic
      talknic
      February 10, 2014, 3:29 pm

      @ giladg “Annie, why don’t you tell us how many bombs have been going off on the border fence during the past few months?”

      Why don’t you tell us. BTW the IDF are valid military targets, especially when they’re in territory never declared or legally annexed to Israel.

      • giladg
        giladg
        February 10, 2014, 5:17 pm

        Israel left Gaza talknic. Did you miss the event?

        Bombs on the border fence:
        Oct 31,
        Dec 21,
        Jan 24,
        Jan 27,

        Sniper fire : multiple

        Rioting on the fence: Dec 24, Jan 2,

      • kalithea
        kalithea
        February 11, 2014, 7:33 pm

        Can’t stand the heat GET OFF PALESTINIAN LAND.

        Where did you or your kin come from to STEAL Palestinian land: Moldova or some other bloc country?

      • talknic
        talknic
        February 12, 2014, 3:20 am

        @ giladg “Israel left Gaza talknic. Did you miss the event?”

        Israel occupies Gaza by virtue of controlling Gaza’s airspace, territorial waters and all entrances and exits to and from Gaza incl between Gaza and Egypt (under the Israel Egypt Peace treaty)

        “Bombs on the border fence”

        It’s not a border. On what date did Israel legally annex ANY territory to its proclaimed and recognized sovereign extent? By agreement with who? Signatories?

        They have a right to plant bombs on the Palestinians side of the border against the IDF who’re in non-Israeli territories

    • ritzl
      ritzl
      February 10, 2014, 5:03 pm

      @giladg- “How do the bombs get to the fence?” should be your own first clue. The fence is not in Israel, ergo, who cares/not a capital offense (or any offense for that matter).

      Stop killing people who simply are doing what it takes to live under your own imposed rules.

      Can’t you see the humanity in that? Can’t you see that it is inarguable? Can’t you see that both are what the rest of the world sees?

      • kalithea
        kalithea
        February 11, 2014, 7:37 pm

        “Can’t you see the humanity in that?”

        There’s a very, very wise saying: Don’t sully your pearls by throwing them at….

    • Shingo
      Shingo
      February 10, 2014, 6:44 pm

      Annie, why don’t you tell us how many bombs have been going off on the border fence during the past few months?

      giladg, , why don’t you tell us how many bombs Israel has dropped on Gaza during the past few months?

    • puppies
      puppies
      February 11, 2014, 2:33 am

      @giladg – You guys started a war in 1947 and have not made peace with the Palestinian population yet. So the responsibility for every bomb or bullet or whatever that reaches Israeli citizens or goods, whether in the Green Line territory or in the live-shield settlement area, is directly with the Zionist entity, as the Palestinian population has the legal right to defend itself by any means it judges necessary. Go yell at your illegitimate government and its sponsors.

  3. justicewillprevail
    justicewillprevail
    February 10, 2014, 11:51 am

    How many times do we have to hear about the entirely unnecessary and tragic death of a young man at the hands of a cold-blooded Israeli militia, who are utterly indifferent to the deaths of people who offer no threat to them, other than simply being alive and of the wrong parentage? Sickening – how can they complain about boycotts and the revulsion of ordinary people everywhere. Yet their whiny apologists will fill comments with the most feeble lies and witless excuses, which of course will only increase the entirely justified anger at the sadism of the occupation and siege.

    • annie
      annie
      February 10, 2014, 12:17 pm

      How many times do we have to hear about the entirely unnecessary and tragic death of a young man at the hands of a cold-blooded Israeli militia

      for as long as it takes. we cannot become immune to the individual tragedies just because they are repetitive. i hesitated covering this story because by the time i heard about it so much time had passed. but these killings, and the people behind them, they are very real.

      i hope everyone watches that video and hears radaad’s voice.. the inhumanity of sitting in a jeep as rescue workers search for a body as a man bleeds to death, that is learned. preventing an ambulance to approach the scene is inhumane and unnatural. these are not natural born killers, it’s sport-killing they are learning from their environment.

    • Kathleen
      Kathleen
      February 10, 2014, 3:21 pm

      Israeli soldiers breaking bones

      • MahaneYehude1
        MahaneYehude1
        February 10, 2014, 3:40 pm

        @Kathleen:

        Again, thanks for the delicate videos. Five Israeli soldiers were needed to arrest one person. Hope you bring more videos like these so the Palestinians and others can compare them to other videos originated from our nice neighborhood.

  4. DICKERSON3870
    DICKERSON3870
    February 10, 2014, 1:16 pm

    RE: “Thinking of the soldier whose bullet pierced Odeh’s head, and the others who sat there watching as Odeh lay dying, I’m reminded of the poem ‘I am you’ by Gazan poet Refaat Alareer . . .” ~ Robbins

    MY COMMENT: I am also reminded of the poem “Rypin” by the Israeli poet Aharon Shabtai.

    CHRIS HEDGES, 3/05/12: [EXCERPT] . . . The Israeli poet Aharon Shabtai, in his poem “Rypin,” translated by Peter Cole, examined what power, force and self-worship do to compassion, justice and human decency. Rypin was the Polish town his father escaped from during the pogroms.

    These creatures in helmets and khakis,
    I say to myself, aren’t Jews,
    In the truest sense of the word. A Jew
    Doesn’t dress himself up with weapons like jewelry,
    Doesn’t believe in the barrel of a gun aimed at a target,
    But in the thumb of the child who was shot at—
    In the house through which he comes and goes,
    Not in the charge that blows it apart.
    The coarse soul and iron first
    He scorns by nature.
    He lifts his eyes not to the officer, or the soldier
    With his finger on the trigger—but to justice,
    And he cries out for compassion.
    Therefore, he won’t steal land from its people
    And will not starve them in camps.
    The voice calling for expulsion
    Is heard from the hoarse throat of the oppressor—
    A sure sign that the Jew has entered a foreign country
    And, like Umberto Saba, gone into hiding within his own city.
    Because of voices like these, father
    At age sixteen, with your family, you fled Rypin;
    Now here Rypin is your son.

    SOURCE – http://www.commondreams.org/view/2012/03/05-1

    P.S.
    Bliss: Wish You Were There [VIDEO, 01:51] – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1SQ8UW-5s4
    Bliss: Wish You Were Here [VIDEO, 05:35] – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3f3KhR5oDC4
    Bliss (Danish band) – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bliss_(Danish_band)

  5. ritzl
    ritzl
    February 10, 2014, 2:48 pm

    If only Odeh wasn’t “not poor” (re: Kate’s litany today on the UNRWA reclassification of Gazans economic situation so that food aid can be reduced, bureaucratically speaking of course).

    http://mondoweiss.net/2014/02/militants-targeted-assassination.html
    http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2014/02/unrwa-siege-gaza-palestine-refugees-aid.html

    • kalithea
      kalithea
      February 11, 2014, 7:41 pm

      Go dig in a landfill and then get back to me on why anyone who’s not poor would do so.

      • ritzl
        ritzl
        February 12, 2014, 6:49 pm

        It was sarcasm about the cynical designation “not poor,” kalithea, used to take away food aid and forcing people to dig in landfills. Cheers.

  6. Kathleen
    Kathleen
    February 10, 2014, 3:35 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5po__L6Oanc

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faHAcRL-5LU

    These are the kind of brutal child abusers the Israeli military is made up of. Real brave fuckers picking on a kid after Palestinian kid
    http://mondoweiss.net/2013/10/aftermath-assault-palestinian.html

  7. Kathleen
    Kathleen
    February 10, 2014, 3:44 pm

    These are real Israeli slime buckets kicking a Palestinian kid in an alley. This is who Israeli officers are for the most part. This is not an unusual treatment. I have heard these kinds of stories from eye witnesses for several decades. This type of humiliation is common by Israeli police officers and military. Now being caught on camera and out to the world what has been going on for decades. Real slime balls

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/9376740/Israeli-policeman-filmed-kicking-Palestinian-boy-in-Hebron.html

  8. Kathleen
    Kathleen
    February 10, 2014, 3:46 pm

    Palestinians have been dealing with this kind of ruthless treatment from Israeli soldiers and illegal settlers for decades http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72nIbWqKc4U

  9. mcohen
    mcohen
    February 10, 2014, 4:13 pm

    Obviously he was just collecting scrap when he was shot.standwithus versus pleasebelieveus.2 sides of the same coin

    http://justiceforgaza.com/aid-to-gaza/gaza-economy/

    • Djinn
      Djinn
      February 11, 2014, 2:23 am

      He was not in Israel. Israel has no legal basis for policing land that is not Israel. It is that simple.

    • kalithea
      kalithea
      February 11, 2014, 7:43 pm

      “liberuul” Zionists and Zionists – two sides of the same coin

  10. just
    just
    February 11, 2014, 8:25 am

    Unbelievable article in Haaretz:

    “SYDNEY – A spokesman for Israel’s Foreign Ministry has conceded that human rights abuses of Palestinian children in the West Bank are “intolerable” and that having soldiers arrest young kids in the middle of the night is problematic. The admissions by Yigal Palmor were contained in an investigative documentary produced by a team of Australian journalists and aired last night by the Australian Broadcasting Corporation.

    Titled “Stone Cold Justice,” the investigation alleged that some Palestinian children were being physically abused, forced into false confessions and targeted in order to gather intelligence on Palestinian activists.

    The broadcast prompted local Jewish and Zionist leaders to accuse the Australian journalists of paying “insufficient attention” to the security difficulties faced by Israel and rehashing similar allegations published in 2011.

    During the documentary, Palmor describes as “intolerable” the human rights abuses contained in last October’s UNICEF report, which concluded that Palestinian children have been “threatened with death, physical violence, solitary confinement and sexual assault, against themselves or a family member.”

    The maltreatment of Palestinian children appears to be “widespread, systematic and institutionalized,” the report found.

    Palmor said: “The natural reaction is that this is intolerable – these are intolerable cases, and that I would like my authorities to do their utmost to make sure that this will not be repeated and that this will change. And I believe that this is precisely what we are doing.”

    Palmor also admitted that the nighttime arrests of Palestinian children by soldiers was problematic. “The question of the arrests is a question that needs to be addressed because once you send soldiers and not policemen to arrest people the whole attitude will be different,” he said. “So we need to train soldiers to behave as policemen and that is something that’s not so easy.”

    But he defended allegations that Israel’s policy in the West Bank was to create fear. “A policy to create fear? There is no such thing,” he said. “The only policy is to maintain law and order, that’s all. If there’s no violence, there’s no law enforcement.”

    Among the Israelis and Palestinians interviewed was a kid who claimed he was conned into signing a confession paper in Hebrew after he was told it was a release paper. Others claimed they’d been shot with rubber bullets, beaten, and threatened with electric shocks.

    Some 700 Palestinian children appear before Israel’s military courts each year, with most accused of throwing stones, according to the report.

    John Lyons, the Australian reporter for the program, also interviewed the mother of a 3-year-old Israeli girl suffering critical brain damage after their car was hit by rocks in the West Bank.

    “Her 3-year-old child is basically still in hospital and it’s unlikely that she will recover from that event,” said Lt. Col. Maurice Hirsh, an Israeli army officer who oversees prosecutions. “That is terrorism.”

    Robert Goot, the new president of the Executive Council of Australian Jewry, accepted that the program highlighted “disturbing issues” but accused it of paying “insufficient attention” to the difficulties faced by Israel.

    The documentary noted that separate laws exist for Israeli and Palestinian children – civil law for the former, military law for the latter.

    But Goot said: “Extending Israeli law to those non-Israeli residents of the West Bank would almost certainly be condemned as tantamount to annexation and therefore a violation of international law.”

    Philip Chester, president of the Zionist Federation of Australia, told Haaretz: “The issue of the treatment of Palestinian juveniles in the military court system raises a more fundamental question. Why have these teenage boys been recruited to participate in armed conflict? Should they not be attending school, instead of being exploited to use rocks as dangerous weapons, often with deadly repercussions?”

    He said the military justice system for Palestinian children in the West Bank is “independent, open and transparent, [and] presided over by professional judges.”

    But Chester added: “If it is objectively established that youth in detention are not being appropriately treated then Israel should improve its practices.”

    Last month Justice Minister Tzipi LIvni ordered the practice of keeping some detainees – including minors – locked in outdoor cages overnight to be stopped. Israel has agreed to try issuing Palestinian children with a summons instead of being arrested at night, according to the documentary.

    UPDATE: This article was amended to reflect the fact that the now-halted practice of holding detainees in outdoor cages involved Israeli citizens and not necessarily Palestinians.”

    http://www.haaretz.com/.premium-1.573480

    (I try to never post an entire article, but am doing so b/c of the paywall……….please edit if you want to, mods) Don’t know what to make of the “update” at the end….

    • Sumud
      Sumud
      February 11, 2014, 10:07 am

      just – haven’t had a chance to watch it yet and I won’t tonight but the piece the article mentions was on ABC Australia’s documentary program ‘Four Corners’, web page here:

      http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/stories/2014/02/10/3939266.htm

      ABC Oz tend to use geoblocking so people outside Australia may not be able to watch the clip. Can someone pls check and also test the second linked interview with Yigal Palmor to see if that can be seen outside Australia?

      FYI full transcript at bottom of the page PLUS just about the most comprehensive Background Information section I’ve ever seen.

      • just
        just
        February 11, 2014, 10:13 am

        HUGE thanks, Sumud, for the link! Yes, I clicked on both and they both play (as of now)– I have to run just now, but I have it linked and open.

        Again, thanks!

      • Sumud
        Sumud
        February 11, 2014, 10:39 am

        Great, glad they’re both working! Will have a look tomorrow myself.

      • Shingo
        Shingo
        February 12, 2014, 6:48 am

        Thank you Sumud.

        I just watched the Four Corners doco and am nauseaus with disgust and I only hope the rest of you can watch it somehow – especially Hop, Gilad and MY1. And if they don’t hang their heads in shame, then they can only be psychopaths.

        The only comfort one can take away from this is the courage of those Israelis speaking out and acting on their conscience and sense of decency. One of them is a man who escorts children in Hebron walking to school with a video camera to protect them from violent attacks by settlers. Not surprisingly, he’s the grandson of a Holocaust survivor and expresses disgust at how those who suffered from the Holocaust are resorting to the same abuses they suffered at the hands of the Nazis. In his own words he says “I don’t get it”.

        This is one seriously f&$ked up country.

      • Shingo
        Shingo
        February 12, 2014, 7:42 am

        A fascinating revelation made at approximately the 40 minute mark.

        They interview a settler nut called Daniella Weiss, the head of a settler movement. She states that she and Ariel Sharon met regularly to plan settlements in order to prevent a Palestinian state ever emerging.

        JOHN LYONS: But this will never happen, according to Daniella Weiss, a founder of the settler movement.

        In the 1970s Daniella Weiss would regularly meet Ariel Sharon, then minister for agriculture, to plan settlements so no Palestinian state could emerge.

        You and Ariel Sharon were determined there would not be a Palestinian state?

        DANIELLA WEISS: With our many talks with Ariel Sharon, and with my work with Ariel Sharon, there was a clear understanding, a very clear planning of spreading the communities, the Jewish communities in the way that there will be no option for a Palestinian state in Judea and Samaria.

        JOHN LYONS: Despite international condemnation, settlement growth is surging.

        If a Palestinian child said to you what is the hope for me, for my future, to have my own state, what would you say to that child?

        DANIELLA WEISS: This land was promised to the Jews by god and all of it. It’s true that in the course of history Arabs came to this area from all over, but the promise of god is more important than the changes in history and the political changes. That is why you have to put it deep, deep into your mind, that you do not have any chance whatsoever in any point of history, neither you nor any of your offspring to ever have an independent state of your own here.

        So much for Sharon being a man of peace.

      • Sumud
        Sumud
        February 13, 2014, 1:10 am

        I’ve watched it now Shingo – a real downer but refreshingly candid.

        I’ve seen Daniella Weiss being interviewed before – hilariously repugnant. Her act is like a suicide bombing at hasbara central – the amount of damage she does to their “cause” in just a few minutes.

  11. Talkback
    Talkback
    February 11, 2014, 9:15 am

    It’s quite telling how the Hasbarats in this comment section are trying to justify this. Mindless, inhumane and even perverting Israel’s obligations under international law.

  12. UpSIDEdown
    UpSIDEdown
    February 11, 2014, 4:07 pm

    Annie Robbins.
    Wow that was an amazing article, I will share with all that I know it should be read by all people , The way I see things is not by race or religion but by facts and these days its something I believe every living person should rely on hard cold facts Thank you for a wonderful well written article Ive become a fan of you’re writing.This needs to be shared with everyone we know and I hope people will do just that.

  13. UpSIDEdown
    UpSIDEdown
    February 11, 2014, 4:21 pm

    I wonder how Gulag would feel if he were awoken to shit in his mouth by the IDF spraying it into the homes of the Palestinians and they did this in the hopes that disease would fall upon them .. no excuse in the world could ever make sense of that cruelty.I would love to hear one person explain why the IDF did that?.

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