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Kerry mentions boycott of Israel in Munich

Kerry mentions boycott of Israel in Munich

Scarlett Johansson sure gets attention! Why else would John Kerry say one line about boycotts contributing to Israel’s de-legitimization yesterday, but for the attention that her support for settlements has gotten. And now Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu is disturbed that Kerry even referred to the movement.

Oh and boycott makes Palestinians intransigent:

Someone on Netanyahu’s twitter feed says he’s shooting the messenger. What did Kerry say? From John Kerry’s remarks at the Munich Security Conference, yesterday. Hot words in bold:

For Israel, the stakes are also enormously high. Do they want a failure that then begs whatever may come in the form of a response from disappointed Palestinians and the Arab community? What happens to the Arab Peace Initiative if this fails? Does it disappear? What happens for Israel’s capacity to be the Israel it is today – a democratic state with the particular special Jewish character that is a central part of the narrative and of the future? What happens to that when you have a bi-national structure and people demanding rights on different terms?

So I think if you – and I’m only just scratching the surface in talking about the possibilities, and I’ve learned not to go too deep in them because it gets misinterpreted that I’m somehow suggesting, “Do this or else,” or something. I’m not. We all have a powerful, powerful interest in resolving this conflict. Everywhere I go in the world, wherever I go – I promise you, no exaggeration, the Far East, Africa, Latin America – one of the first questions out of the mouths of a foreign minister or a prime minister or a president is, “Can’t you guys do something to help bring an end to this conflict between Palestinians and Israelis?” Indonesia – people care about it because it’s become either in some places an excuse or in other places an organizing principle for efforts that can be very troubling in certain places. I believe that – and you see for Israel there’s an increasing de-legitimization campaign that has been building up. People are very sensitive to it. There are talk of boycotts and other kinds of things. Are we all going to be better with all of that?

So I am not going to sit here and give you a measure of optimism, but I will give you a full measure of commitment..

Kerry also warned about another intifada, in so many words:

[T]oday’s status quo absolutely, to a certainty, I promise you 100 percent, cannot be maintained. It’s not sustainable. It’s illusionary. There’s a momentary prosperity, there’s a momentary peace. Last year, not one Israeli was killed by a Palestinian from the West Bank. This year, unfortunately, there’s been an uptick in some violence. But the fact is the status quo will change if there is failure. So everybody has a stake in trying to find the pathway to success.

The Associated Press says that some of Netanyahu’s ministers are more enraged about the comments. This is typical of Israeli officials when they perceive they’re being abandoned, they lash out. Kerry is deemed “insufferable.”

Intelligence Minister Yuval Steinitz, of Netanyahu’s ruling Likud party, called Kerry’s comments “offensive, unfair and insufferable.”

“You can’t expect the state of Israel to conduct negotiations with a gun pointed to its head,” he said.

Economics Minister Naftali Bennett, from the religious, pro-settler Jewish Home party, said all “the advice givers” should know that Israel will not abandon its land because of economic threats.

“We expect our friends around the world to stand beside us, against anti-Semitic boycott efforts targeting Israel, and not for them to be their amplifier,” said Bennett, a fierce critic of the Kerry-led talks. “Only security will bring economic stability, he said.

Tzipi Livni, Israel’s chief negotiator, came to Kerry’s defense, saying he was merely expressing concern for Israel’s future.

Defense Minister Danny Danon likes the gun metaphor too, and calls Kerry’s remarks an “ultimatum”! JPost:

“We respect the [US] secretary of state but we will not negotiate with a gun put to our head,” Danon said.

Danon called Kerry’s words an “ultimatum”, and said that true friends do not set ultimatums.

AP says that the State Department is trying to walk it back some:

State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki said Kerry’s only reference to a boycott was a description of actions undertaken by others that he has always opposed.

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  1. seafoid
    seafoid
    February 2, 2014, 11:22 am

    “PM #Netanyahu: “Attempts to impose a boycott on the State of #Israel are immoral and unjust. Moreover, they will not achieve their goal.”

    It really feels like January 1945 in the Berlin bunker

  2. jsinton
    jsinton
    February 2, 2014, 11:26 am

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but the boycotts are aimed at at companies making profit in the West Bank, and not delegitimization of Israel. The goal is civil rights for Palestinians. As such, it seems to me our fearless leaders are completely over the top, eh?

  3. dbroncos
    dbroncos
    February 2, 2014, 11:31 am

    More than $3 billion per year with insults for thanks. That’s reason enough to shut off the spigot.

  4. seafoid
    seafoid
    February 2, 2014, 11:33 am

    “Economics Minister Naftali Bennett, from the religious, pro-settler Jewish Home party, said all “the advice givers” should know that Israel will not abandon its land because of economic threats.“We expect our friends around the world to stand beside us, against anti-Semitic boycott efforts targeting Israel, and not for them to be their amplifier,” said Bennett, a fierce critic of the Kerry-led talks. “Only security will bring economic stability, he said.”

    They had a choice. Security or justice. And they made the wrong choice.
    Bennett will be there in the trenches as they run out of bullets. I hope Micronesia and the Marshall islands stay to comfort him.

    • Shingo
      Shingo
      February 2, 2014, 3:52 pm

      Don’t forget Palau Seafoid.

      • seafoid
        seafoid
        February 2, 2014, 11:44 pm

        Yeah Shingo. How remiss of me. Palau can make the tea as he runs out of bullets.

  5. seafoid
    seafoid
    February 2, 2014, 11:41 am

    We should remember the many Israeli Jews who tried to change things, (not unlike Germans such as Sophie Scholl) and were persecuted by the bots for their courage

    http://mondoweiss.net/2009/07/new-profile-update.html

    “New Profile members are working very hard both as a movement and as individuals, to resist the intentionally exhausting and dispiriting effects of waiting out the course of this laborious bureaucratic legal process. Just one of our means for doing this has been the unorthodox move of taking a series of close, candid, intimate looks back at the investigators and their practices. (For our series “Investigating the Investigation”, authored by various New Profile activists, see: http://www.newprofile.org/english/?p=119#more-119.)

    New Profile’s criminalization and our attempted shut-down are directed, in particular, at intimidating the huge numbers of young people who fail to comply with conscription law today. The drive against us targets this popular display of mistrust and indifference, this major threat to politicians’ fear-based hold on voting constituencies and to military commanders’ uncontested control of “national security” issues.”

  6. Krauss
    Krauss
    February 2, 2014, 11:49 am

    Sign of the times:

    The Israeli government is so committed to the settlement project that it is now clashing with the American government, instead of the Palestinians.

    I mean, even the pro-Bantustan framework that Kerry has outlined with the blessing of AIPAC tools like Indyk isn’t enough for these people. Who are we fooling if we think they will EVER give up on anything?

    • Blownaway
      Blownaway
      February 2, 2014, 2:17 pm

      They are so bold as to tell Kerry to screw himself and yet they still know they will get him to blame the Palestinians. They are ready to accept the BS framework deal that rewards them for their crimes by legitimizing their theft and still paint the Palestinians as rejectionists for failing to accept subjugation in a bantustan

  7. Blownaway
    Blownaway
    February 2, 2014, 12:22 pm

    According to Indyck Israel is getting everything it wants and they are still apoplectic …looks like Kerry is pulling a Clinton trying to help Israel blame the victim

  8. February 2, 2014, 1:03 pm

    I think you forgot to bold something in Kerry’s speech:

    “… a democratic state with the particular special Jewish character …”

    There’s a mouthful. Rashomon redux.

  9. pabelmont
    pabelmont
    February 2, 2014, 1:39 pm

    ISR: “You can’t expect the state of Israel to conduct negotiations with a gun pointed to its head.” OTOH, there is no other way to negotiate with those miserable curs, the Palestinians, the Lebanese, the Syrians, and especially the Iranians.

    As to “delegitimization of Israel”: BDS demands that Israel change certain policies which BDS regards as illegitimate.

    If a person believes that these policies are INTRINSIC TO ISRAEL, then for such a person, to call the policies illegitimate is to call Israel illegitimate. So those right-wing, intransigent Israelis who would declare the unending rightness of settlements, of discrimination, of exclusion of the exiles of 1948 — THEY would regard BDS as declaring Israel itself as illegitimate. From their POV they are right to do so. They are saying that lawlessness is intrinsic to Israel.

    Other people believe that Israel is sufficiently a democracy that it can change policies when it no longer finds them useful. Such people do not regard these evils as intrinsic. for such persons, BDS declares only the policies, and not Israel itself, illegitimate.

    Let the games begin!

  10. American
    American
    February 2, 2014, 2:03 pm

    ”Danon called Kerry’s words an “ultimatum”, and said that true friends do not set ultimatums”

    Scorpions like Israel don’t have friends, scorpions only have ‘’frogs’’.

    ‘The Scorpion and the Frog’
    A scorpion and a frog meet on the bank of a stream and the scorpion asks the frog to carry him across on its back. The frog asks, “How do I know you won’t sting me?” The scorpion says, “Because if I do, I will die too.” The frog is satisfied, and they set out, but in midstream,the scorpion stings the frog. The frog feels the onset of paralysis and starts to sink, knowing they both will drown,but has just enough time to gasp “Why?” Replies the scorpion: “Its my nature…”’

    Even frogs learn eventually.

    • seafoid
      seafoid
      February 2, 2014, 4:16 pm

      Danon called Kerry’s words an “ultimatum”, and said that true friends do not set ultimatums”

      True friends aren’t needy like Israel. They don’t need to say “tell me you love me” 24/7

      http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/02/us-rebukes-binyamin-netanyahu-misrepresentation-john-kerry-comments

      “The US hit back at Binyamin Netanyahu on Sunday after the Israeli prime minister warned that calls for boycotts of Israel to pressure it over settlements in the occupied Palestinian territories are “immoral and unjustified” and would not achieve their goal.
      In a public spat that reflected tensions over slow-moving Israeli-Palestinian peace talks, the state department rebuked Netanyahu for apparently misrepresenting the words of the US secretary of state, John Kerry. Another senior rightwing minister accused Kerry of serving as a “mouthpiece” for antisemitic views.”

      They have destroyed the power of the anti-Semitic accusation. It’s a pity because they’ll need it for the future.

  11. Ael
    Ael
    February 2, 2014, 2:51 pm

    This is all kabuki theatre.

    In a few weeks time and with a great show of compromise, Israel will reluctantly accept, with reservations, Kerry’s tailored in Jerusalem peace plan.

    Thus appearing to be moderate and pinning any blame for failure on the Palestinians.

  12. Les
    Les
    February 2, 2014, 3:00 pm

    This from the web site of today’s New York Times:

    “Why Israel Fears the Boycott

    Only economic pressure will end an unjust order.”

    (The link is not working.)

  13. February 2, 2014, 3:13 pm

    I can detect from the escalating tone of John Kerry’s remarks at the Munich Security Conference that if Israel continue to dick him around, then two months from now he will be sounding like the Comments section at Mondoweiss. It’s called successive approximation to our own inimitable truth-telling. Also, there is the possibility that Obama has some devastating, game-changing dirt on Israel that is hanging over their heads and maybe the grunts like Ya’alon have not quite grasped the significance of its potential release to the world media. Lieberman is already on board. Or maybe it is all Kabuki theatre. The proof of my conclusion is that Obama already got the Nobel Peace Prize. Stay tuned.

    • Ellen
      Ellen
      February 3, 2014, 2:02 am

      Interesting theory, but difficult to imagine. First, Kerry’s words seemed innocuous. Yet they were distorted by Netanyahuno and his goons in the Israeli government. (This reveals a paranoid desperation.)

      Dirt on Israel? When did it ever stick? Golda’s publicly bad mouthing the US and State Department in the 50 and 60s? Covering up Zionist terror? The attack on the Liberty and murder of US sailors? Lying to Kennedy on their nuclear program? Stealing technology? Spying? Selling US technology to China?

      The US has broken relations with nations for less, but ignores it when it comes to Israel. And we send billions every year. It is no wonder that most all Israelis and their government have zero respect for the US.

      Didn’t Kissinger also get the Nobel peace prize?

      • James Canning
        James Canning
        February 3, 2014, 7:19 pm

        Israelis tend to be aware of the great power held by the Israel lobby in the US.

  14. joecatron
    joecatron
    February 2, 2014, 3:22 pm

    “Last year, not one Israeli was killed by a Palestinian from the West Bank.”

    Well, THAT’S an embarrassing blooper.

    http://rt.com/news/israeli-killed-west-bank-185/
    http://www.jpost.com/National-News/IDF-soldier-dies-after-Hebron-shooting-326792
    http://www.jpost.com/Defense/Security-forces-arrest-3-Palestinians-suspected-of-involvement-in-Jordan-Valley-murder-328595

    I’m not sure what other incidents I may have forgotten.

    Doesn’t Kerry have people who are paid to read the news for him?

    • Donald
      Donald
      February 2, 2014, 3:32 pm

      I’m surprised he made that mistake. I’m not surprised he didn’t mention Palestinians killed by Israelis–American officials only count violence against Israelis as important.

      Btselem fatalities statistics

      • Donald
        Donald
        February 2, 2014, 3:38 pm

        Or to put it another way, missing the fact that some Israelis were killed by West Bank Palestinians was incompetent staff work. Not even mentioning the killing of Palestinians by Israelis–that’s policy, or perhaps worse, an unconscious assumption that it simply doesn’t matter.

    • Woody Tanaka
      Woody Tanaka
      February 2, 2014, 3:44 pm

      I assume that by “last year” Kerry mean “between 1 and 2 years ago” otherwise the rest of his sentance about an “uptick” doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. So if that’s what he meant, than these operations by the Palestinian freedom fighters, giving these occupation pigs their just deserts, would be part of the “uptick.”

  15. Shingo
    Shingo
    February 2, 2014, 3:47 pm

    We respect the [US] secretary of state but we will not negotiate with a gun put to our head,” Danon said.

    In which case Danny, May I suggest you get on the phone with Congress and AIPAC and insist all the sanctions be dropped against Iran and military option taken off the table while negotiations are taking place.

    • seafoid
      seafoid
      February 2, 2014, 4:47 pm

      Danon knows nothing about power. He thinks all you have to do is say “I’m Jewish” and you’ll get everything you want.
      These Likud blowhards never lost anything. They never learnt anything.
      Men a lot more powerful than them had to learn about the limitations of military power the hard way.

  16. Justpassingby
    Justpassingby
    February 2, 2014, 4:32 pm

    Well then US could end its support for Israel.

  17. James Canning
    James Canning
    February 2, 2014, 6:04 pm

    Bravo, John Kerry. And he needs to continue to make clear the border of Palestine is the Green Line.

    • puppies
      puppies
      February 3, 2014, 2:43 am

      @Canning – It’s now clear you intend to relentlessly push propaganda presenting an armistice line as if it were any border, ie supporting land acquisition by conquest. What do you expect, to make it a reality by relentless repetition?
      Once more, if you were attributing any legitimacy to Israelian “borders” they could only be those proposed for the partition and immediately violated.
      And, once more, where do you get the nerve to relinquish Palestinian rights as if they were your own?

      • brenda
        brenda
        February 3, 2014, 5:56 pm

        With respect, puppies, US interests are an important part of the picture. The Palestinians are not going to get everything they deserve, the Israelis are going to get more than they deserve. The US will be firmly on the path to getting out from under Israel lobby blackmail and will be able to own its own foreign policy — that’s what’s in it for us.

      • James Canning
        James Canning
        February 3, 2014, 7:12 pm

        @Puppies – – You seem unable to comprehend that virtually all countries on the planet say the illegal settlements are illegal because they are on the wrong side of the border. Wrong side. Meaning, settlements on the right side generally are not under challenge, by countries.

      • puppies
        puppies
        February 5, 2014, 11:41 am

        @Canning – You seem unable to comprehend that one’s rights and what anyone says about things unrelated to rights have nothing to do with each other. That line is an armistice line, not a border. Even to someone who wants to recognize any legitimacy to an invader state, the only borders ever recognized by the UN are those of the partition proposal. What others concede that is not theirs to concede is worthless.
        @Brenda – Same response. Rights have nothing to do with what you get. If you steal my house, do I automatically forfeit my rights to it?
        Palestinians have nothing. 0% of their land, as all is under occupation. What’s that got with what they are entitled to in law? They still may rightfully claim 100% of it and thumb their nose even at the initial UN partition if they so choose –the prohibition of right of conquest stands.

        I insist: continually presenting the armistice lines as a border is Zionist propaganda of the worst sort. I much prefer foaming-at-the-mouth Zionists to insidious promoters of Greater Israel “facts”.

      • James Canning
        James Canning
        February 5, 2014, 1:45 pm

        @Puppies – – You clearly discount too much the importance of international public opinion, regarding Israel/Palestine. Or, do you actually believe many countries would support pressuring Israel to abandon portions of the country within pre-1967 borders?

      • Hostage
        Hostage
        February 5, 2014, 3:05 pm

        That line is an armistice line, not a border.

        The original source of that claim was a Propaganda Ministry. The armistice agreements never said that the permanent armistice lines of demarcation were not borders. They simply said that the armistice lines were “without prejudice” to the claims of either party or to a final political settlement. That in no way implies, that in the meantime, the lines of demarcation were not, among other things, a legally recognized type of border. See for example the “Tripartite Declaration Regarding the Armistice Borders : Statement by the Governments of the United States, The United Kingdom, and France, May 25, 1950″ and go argue with the US, UK, and French experts on the subject of international law. http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/mid001.asp

        A border is just a legally recognized international line of demarcation. The Declaration on Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations says:

        Every State likewise has the duty to refrain from the threat or use of force to violate international lines of demarcation, such as armistice lines, established by or pursuant to an international agreement to which it is a party or which it is otherwise bound to respect.

        The armistice lines were approved by a written agreement between the parties and were formally adopted under the terms of two UN Security Council Chapter 7 resolutions.

      • James Canning
        James Canning
        February 5, 2014, 3:11 pm

        A definitive comment on the issue. Bravo.

      • puppies
        puppies
        February 5, 2014, 10:24 pm

        @Hostage – All I am saying is that it would be a good idea to refrain from eroding the “without prejudice” statement with regard to the Palestinian claims by continually calling that armistice line (OK, demarcation line) a definitive border. We don’t know what claims the future independent, sovereign Palestinian representatives will insist on.

      • James Canning
        James Canning
        February 6, 2014, 7:37 pm

        Puppies, you argue in effect that the 2002 Saudi peace plan was not a deal good enough for acceptance by the Palestinians.

      • Hostage
        Hostage
        February 6, 2014, 4:28 am

        @Hostage – All I am saying is that it would be a good idea to refrain from eroding the “without prejudice” statement

        That was considered boilerplate by the Israelis, because the lines can never be changed by the parties themselves, except by mutual agreement. Israel already announced at the time that it would never agree to give up any of its territorial gains and the UN Security Council has ignored Israeli aggression ever since, despite repeated resolutions from the General Assembly on the subject. The clause was inserted to protect Arab leaders against reprisals from their own people for signing the agreements. It didn’t work. Abba Eban noted afterward that it was an unfortunate fact that nearly every Arab leader who had dealt with Israel in the Armistice negotiations had been assassinated – Nokrashy in Egypt, Zaim in Syria, Riad Solh in Lebanon, and Abdullah in Jordan. Eban said this striking coincidence, if it was a coincidence, would undoubtedly be a strong deterrent to any other Arab leader dealing with Israel. http://digicoll.library.wisc.edu/cgi-bin/FRUS/FRUS-idx?type=goto&id=FRUS.FRUS1951v05&isize=M&submit=Go+to+page&page=794

        The armistice lines were adopted under Article 40 of the UN Charter, as a “provisional measure”. Provisional borders are real borders, just like a learner’s permit is a real drivers license. Both are legal but temporary. That means the Security Council can still adopt a final settlement of its own under Article 39 that complies with all the norms of international law regarding acquisition of territory by war and deportation or population transfers. But at this late date, it’s extremely doubtful the USA will change its spots and stop blocking the necessary sanctions against Israeli acts of aggression:

        Article 39
        The Security Council shall determine the existence of any threat to the peace, breach of the peace, or act of aggression and shall make recommendations, or decide what measures shall be taken in accordance with Articles 4 and 42, to maintain or restore international peace and security.

        Article 40
        In order to prevent an aggravation of the situation, the Security Council may, before making the recommendations or deciding upon the measures provided for in Article 39, call upon the parties concerned to comply with such provisional measures as it deems necessary or desirable. Such provisional measures shall be without prejudice to the rights, claims, or position of the parties concerned. The Security Council shall duly take account of failure to comply with such provisional measures.

  18. Dan From Away
    Dan From Away
    February 2, 2014, 6:55 pm

    Israel has “friends around the world”? Last time there was an open vote on this issue during the UNGA vote to accord Palestine non-member state status (November 12, 2012)138 countries voted against Israel and only nine in favor.
    (https://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2012/ga11317.doc.htm)
    The BDS campaign can be thought of (and should be promoted as) a global version of a “counseling intervention”: An intervention is an orchestrated attempt by one or many people – usually family and friends – to get someone to seek professional help with an addiction or some kind of traumatic event or crisis, or other serious problem. The term intervention is most often used when the traumatic event involves addiction to drugs or other items.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intervention_(counseling)
    Merely mentioning the term “boycott”, even in the context of condemning it unhinges Organized Zionism. I see this hypersensitivity as a reflection not merely of the current BDS campaign’s vitality but also of its looming potential. A real, and really revolutionary, feature of BDS is that it “atomizes” the process of dissenting from the Zionist worldview AND simultaneously allows for a public show of solidarity with Palestine. No longer does one have to be “credentialed” member of an academic, political or economic elite in order to have any say in the discourse around Palestine/Zionism. BDS makes it possible for literally anyone to be a player and act meaningfully for Palestine and in opposition to Zionism through the simple act of being conscious consumers. Historically, Organized Zionism has been very successful at gaming “systems”: however, it is helpless in the face of a growing global movement that engages “individuals” engaged in the very private, very personal realm of daily, routine life-living. Zionism has no conception of how ordinary people live and think. How does one combat that dynamic? Orwell suggested the “Ministry of Truth” and “telescreens”.
    BDS is a non-violent mass democratic action available to effect change on the ground in Palestine for the better and, ironically, every condemnation of it only serves to magnify its morality, reach and effect.

  19. Shingo
    Shingo
    February 2, 2014, 7:35 pm

    Intelligence Minister Yuval Steinitz, of Netanyahu’s ruling Likud party, called Kerry’s comments “offensive, unfair and insufferable.”

    These people are masters of projection aren’t they? As Clinton once pointed out, these people seem to think that it is the US receiving aid from Israel and that Israel is he super power.

    BTW. Did anyone hear the comment from some Israeli leaders accusing Kerry of being anti Semitic for his warning of boycotts and pushing or peace?
    http://www.juancole.com/2014/02/kerry-semitic-israeli.html

    Just when you think these people have reached the outermost reaches of lunacy, they discover more uncharted territory.

    • seafoid
      seafoid
      February 3, 2014, 12:19 am

      Yes, I noted that.

      I think we are deep into Wizard of Oz territory.

    • ziusudra
      ziusudra
      February 3, 2014, 12:55 am

      …. just when you think…..
      Just when i finally understood the rules of the games that zios play,
      they changed them.
      ziusudra
      PS They ne’er leave the yellow brick road, only we lie in de poppy fields
      ne’er getting thro to the wizard, Obama.

    • James Canning
      James Canning
      February 3, 2014, 7:22 pm

      Anyone suggesting Israel needs to “get real” and end the occupation, is “anti-Semitic”.

  20. piotr
    piotr
    February 2, 2014, 8:15 pm

    You may be interested in “Der Process (The Trial) ” by Franz Kafka. It does have a Kafkaesque character.

  21. Shingo
    Shingo
    February 2, 2014, 11:54 pm

    Netenyahu is now throwing everything he has at Kerry to avoid looking like the rejectionist and obstacle to peace that he is.

    He is trying to tie the peace talks to the release of Pollard.
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/24/israel-demand-release-spy-jonathan-pollard-peace-talks

  22. wondering jew
    wondering jew
    February 3, 2014, 12:56 am

    The odds against any agreement between the Palestinians as led by Abbas and the Israelis as led by Netanyahu are still quite long. This part, the arguing and jockeying before Kerry presents his framework and waits for the reactions of the two sides, is not really of major consequence. If the talks break down quickly, today’s impatience with Kerry’s mentioning of boycott, will be soon forgotten and if the talks take a long time to break up, today’s impatience will also soon be forgotten. Today’s impatience is an indication of how long the odds really are. Currently Netanyahu is trying to bolster his right wing creds, but if Netanyahu gives a nod to the framework it will be his centrist creds, and the left wing Knesset members and the members of Shas who will be the lifeline of his political future.

    • seafoid
      seafoid
      February 3, 2014, 2:38 am

      “The odds against any agreement between the Palestinians as led by Abbas and the Israelis as led by Netanyahu are still quite long. ”

      This is because the bots think they have won. They are Jews, they are so smart, they have the Yanks around their little finger, they have AIPAC (70 signatures in 24 hours) and if anyone DARES to question them they get the Finkelstein treatment.

      What could possibly go wrong?

      • piotr
        piotr
        February 3, 2014, 7:39 am

        What could possibly go wrong?

        When you tell “you cretin” to an intelligent person, the reaction is typically mild, sure, we prefer to be addressed politely, but it is not a big deal. But if you tell it to an actual cretin, you may get an enemy for life.

        Or tell a girl “watch your step, you ugly cow”. Oh well, some experiments go too far (never do it at home!), but a pretty girl would probably refrain from smacking you or crying.

        So the bots think that they won, because they won. They think that they can do anything because they won, and that is just plain stupid. Even G..d cannot do everything. However, they are not so monumentally stupid as to be sure that they can de anything. Hence high irritability.

      • seafoid
        seafoid
        February 3, 2014, 7:59 am

        I think it could go wrong if history hasn’t ended .

    • puppies
      puppies
      February 3, 2014, 2:53 am

      @Friedman – …”the Palestinians as led by Abbas…” No sale, again.
      Palestinians are entirely absent from these negotiations. A couple Israeli puppets are sitting where Palestinians were supposed to be, appointed for aboriginal policing.

  23. seafoid
    seafoid
    February 3, 2014, 3:29 am

    Bots taking about immorality and injustice.
    The mind boggles.

  24. gingershot
    gingershot
    February 3, 2014, 7:19 am

    The entire Israeli strategy in a nutshell prevent the Palestinians from surviving – and now these pathetic slobs start crying it is the PALESTINIANS (or Kerry AND the Palestinians – which is even more funny) that have a gun to the poor Israeli’s heads.

    These Israelis simply have no shame, are beyond chutzpah, they will simply say or lie about anything until they are carted off to prison where they will continue to whine to anybody they can get to listen thru their soundproof cells

    Kerry:
    ‘For Israel, the stakes are also enormously high. Do they want a failure that then begs whatever may come in the form of a response from disappointed Palestinians and the Arab community?’

    Whatever may come, Mr Kerry, like your failure to screw the Palestinians over one last final time and a solution based on International Law, the UN Resolutions Israel is currently violating the Geneva Conventions, rather than your pathetic attempt to keep Israel from being drug to the ICC in Sept 2014 (let alone keeping Israel out of the ICC in Sept 2013)

    Israeli Official:
    “You can’t expect the state of Israel to conduct negotiations with a gun pointed to its head,” he said.
    Thus neatly describing the exact Israeli strategy they have been running against the Palestinians since 1948.

    It seems to be an Israeli/Neocon art (along with 8 yr olds) to loudly charge their enemies with crimes they themselves are committing

  25. eljay
    eljay
    February 3, 2014, 7:53 am

    Intelligence Minister Yuval Steinitz, of Netanyahu’s ruling Likud party, called Kerry’s comments “offensive, unfair and insufferable.”

    “You can’t expect the state of Israel to conduct negotiations with a gun pointed to its head,” he said.

    But Iran is supposed to conduct negotiations with nuclear-armed Israel and the U.S. just itching to wipe it off the map and push it into the sea.

    And the Palestinians are supposed to conduct negotiations while the oppressive, colonialist, expansionst and supremacist “Jewish State” holds guns to their heads, puts boots on their necks and continues to steal, occupy and colonize their lands.

    So much for “intelligence”, minister.

    “We expect our friends around the world to stand beside us, against anti-Semitic boycott efforts targeting Israel, and not for them to be their amplifier,” said Bennett, a fierce critic of the Kerry-led talks. “Only security will bring economic stability, he said.

    Here’s something you rarely ever see: A Zio-supremacist accusing someone of being anti-Semitic. :-P

  26. American
    American
    February 3, 2014, 9:21 am

    Hummm…..whats up with this? Will Hillary have anything to say about Kerry’s efforts on I/P? She should be forced into making some statement on it other than her usual, ‘oh dear, none of this is ‘helpful’.

    http://swampland.time.com/2014/02/02/report-clinton-opposes-new-iran-sanctions/

    Report: Clinton Opposes New Iran Sanctions

    Former Secretary of State reportedly favors letting negotiations proceed
    By Sam Frizell @Sam_FrizellFeb. 02, 20140

    Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has said she opposes new sanctions on Iran while negotiations with the internationally isolated nation are ongoing, a position that puts the putative 2016 presidential nominee in line with the Obama administration but at odds with a slew of Democratic allies in Congress

  27. seafoid
    seafoid
    February 3, 2014, 9:33 am

    Barry Rubin, water carrier for Netanyahu and the other right wing fruitcakes , has died.

    http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/jewish-world-news/.premium-1.572125#

    Buy one of his books before the whole kit and YESHA caboodle disappears.
    Buy Caroline Glick books. Even if you are not interested yourself you may have a grandchild with a passion for system failures and intellectual dead ends and how people lie to each other when money is king.

    • American
      American
      February 3, 2014, 2:04 pm

      Did Rubin perchance get hit by lightening after writting this book?

      ”Now, in Nazis, Islamists, and the Making of the Modern Middle East, Barry Rubin and Wolfgang Schwanitz advance a dark-horse candidate for the Great Man theory: Amin al-Husaini, the Grand Mufti of Palestine, close pal of Hitler and champion of Islamist radicalism, and the unchallenged leader of the Palestinians until he anointed Yasser Arafat as his successor in 1968.
      If the Germans hadn’t sent Lenin to St. Petersburg in that sealed railway car, no Bolshevik Revolution; if Hindenburg hadn’t named Hitler Chancellor, no Nazi regime. If the British hadn’t made al-Husaini Grand Mufti in 1921 in reward for his espionage work for them, no Final Solution… .

      Yes, you heard right. Rubin and Schwanitz make the astonishing claim that al-Husaini is nothing less than the architect of the Final Solution. Rather than being a garden-variety pro-Nazi, they say, the mufti had so great an influence on the fuehrer that he might as well have authored Nazi Germany’s most demonic project, the mass murder of European Jewry.””

      http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-arts-and-culture/books/161311/nazi-islamists-rubin

  28. yrn
    yrn
    February 3, 2014, 10:51 am

    Boycott ? Palestinian imports from Israel totaled $ 3.5 billion
    According to the Palestinian Authority , import Israeli products into the PA last year is about 70 % of total imports .
    03:02:14 , 14:53

     It turns out that the Palestinian consumer prefers the Israeli products . According to data released by the Palestinian Authority found that last year the import of Israeli products into the PA value of $ 3.5 billion . This represents about 70 % of the total Palestinian imports during the year .

    Israeli products are the first preference of the Palestinian consumer , followed by foreign products , and only then locally produced products . Local merchants in the West Bank claim that the preference for products is due to the perception among Palestinian consumer that Israeli products are of higher quality compared to products produced locally.

    • Hostage
      Hostage
      February 5, 2014, 4:02 am

      It turns out that the Palestinian consumer prefers the Israeli products .

      No, it turns out the Palestinian economy is subject to an Israeli occupation that controls it borders and its imports.

      • yrn
        yrn
        February 5, 2014, 5:58 am

        “followed by foreign products”
        Hostage, you don’t have a clue regarding the quality of Israeli products and you never will.
        As one that traveled in most countries I prefer Israeli products, only because of the quality, I know that in your total patronizing way of thinking, you think that the Palestinians are stupid, but they know better then you regarding quality of products, at list in this issue give them credit.

      • Walid
        Walid
        February 5, 2014, 6:15 am

        “…As one that traveled in most countries I prefer Israeli products, only because of the quality,”

        That great taste you love surely comes from all the shit and chemicals being dumped on the West Bank by Israel and its settlements. You should turn off the light and look in the mirror to see if you glow in the dark.

      • Hostage
        Hostage
        February 5, 2014, 6:54 am

        Hostage, you don’t have a clue regarding the quality of Israeli products and you never will.

        I didn’t say a word about the quality, I said Israel was occupying Palestine and controlling its borders and imports. I don’t have any need to investigate the quality of Israeli products, since I’m boycotting them until Israel complies with international law and ends abuses against Palestinian human rights. There have never been a lot of them flying-off the store shelves in central Kansas anyway.

      • yrn
        yrn
        February 5, 2014, 7:07 am

        I didn’t say a word about you investigating the Israeli products, I just mentioned you block patronizing way of thinking that you think that the Palestinians are stupid and don’t have the ability to choose if a product is good or not, same as their political preferences.

      • Shingo
        Shingo
        February 5, 2014, 6:24 pm

        I didn’t say a word about you investigating the Israeli products, I just mentioned you block patronizing way of thinking that you think that the Palestinians are stupid and don’t have the ability to choose if a product is good or not, same as their political preferences.

        They have no choice because as Walid pointed out, the only reason they buy from Israel is because they have no choice since Israel systematically destroyed their agricultural sector to make them dependent on Israel.

      • Shingo
        Shingo
        February 5, 2014, 6:21 pm

        As one that traveled in most countries I prefer Israeli products, only because of the quality

        Israeli products are notorious for their poor quality and standard. You’re obviously blinded by the “Made in Israel” label.

      • yrn
        yrn
        February 6, 2014, 4:01 pm

        Shingo

        If “Israeli products are notorious for their poor quality” why are you spending all your life to boycott them, as if they were so terrible no one would want to buy those products.

        You don’t even know how many Israeli products you use in your everyday life.

    • Shingo
      Shingo
      February 5, 2014, 4:39 am

      It turns out that the Palestinian consumer prefers the Israeli products

      Lack of choice will do that.

      • seafoid
        seafoid
        February 5, 2014, 6:45 am

        The system is evil. It costs far less to sell Israeli products in Ramallh than products from Jenin. Palestinians can’t export stuff via the Med ports unless they go in Jewish trucks. Everything that comes in comes in in Jewish trucks.

        Israel has destroyed the Palestinian economy. Palestinian consumers have no choice. Shir Hever is the man for this topic.

    • Walid
      Walid
      February 5, 2014, 6:08 am

      “Local merchants in the West Bank claim that the preference for products is due to the perception among Palestinian consumer that Israeli products are of higher quality compared to products produced locally.”

      Phil and Max video debunked that one; the only reason they buy from Israel is because they have no choice since Israel systematically destroyed their agricultural sector to make them dependent on Israel. Just about the only place good stuff grows on the WB are in Area C and the Valley which are off limits to Palestinian growers. The WB and Gaza are Israel’s main export markets for the produce so it’s clear why Israel would not let that sector prosper in Palestinian hands. This is Zionist viciousness at one of its meanest.

      Phil and Max video from last September; it was on your day off, so you probably missed it:

      http://mondoweiss.net/2013/09/in-ramallah-market-max-blumenthal-shows-the-fruits-of-occupatioin.html

    • eljay
      eljay
      February 5, 2014, 7:58 am

      >> Israeli products are the first preference of the Palestinian consumer … Local merchants in the West Bank claim that the preference for products is due to the perception among Palestinian consumer that Israeli products are of higher quality compared to products produced locally.

      You’re as stupid as you are hateful and immoral.

      Try this:
      1. Submit Israel to roughly 65 years of crushing oppression, occupation, land and resources theft, and devastation of infrastructure, industry and economy.
      2. Establish a Palestinian state and have the international community invest heavily in its infrastructure, industry and economy.
      3. After 65 years, ask Palestinians whether they still consider Israeli products to be of higher quality than locally-produced Palestinian products.

  29. Hostage
    Hostage
    February 3, 2014, 3:09 pm

    Oh and boycott makes Palestinians intransigent: . . . Attempts to impose boycott on Israel are immoral & unjust; cause Palestinians to adhere to their intransigent positions

    Clarification: The government of Palestine is not intransigent. The US anti-Arab boycott legislation requires the Palestinian government to look as if it is intransigent about the civil society boycott. They secretly love it, but can’t publicly sign-on without triggering those pesky US government sanctions.

    Nonetheless, there’s seldom a day that goes by without the US PLO Delegation sending a Daily News Analysis and Update email with links to one or more Mondoweiss stories (despite the fact some of them portray the PLO as as a bunch of corrupt collaborators because they won’t endorse the civil society boycott of Israel).

    • Walid
      Walid
      February 5, 2014, 6:20 am

      “(despite the fact some of them portray the PLO as as a bunch of corrupt collaborators because they won’t endorse the civil society boycott of Israel).

      Are you implying they’re not?

      • Hostage
        Hostage
        February 5, 2014, 7:03 am

        Are you implying they’re not?

        No, I’m saying that the General Delegation of the PLO to the United States has a “Daily News And Analysis” email that links to Mondoweiss BDS stories all the time. Yesterday they included “Bill targeting academic groups that boycott Israel halted in New York Assembly (By Alex Kane), i.e. they are sending readers here on a regular basis for news and analysis on BDS and other subjects.

      • Walid
        Walid
        February 5, 2014, 7:17 am

        Thanks, Hostage, and here I was complacently thinking that only the zios were monitoring the site.

      • James Canning
        James Canning
        February 5, 2014, 2:17 pm

        Following the site? (As opposed to “monitoring”)

  30. brenda
    brenda
    February 3, 2014, 5:47 pm

    I love to see the Izzies getting all hot and bothered. Kudos to Kerry. He’s playing a very good game. It will end with a peace treaty, and then we can go on from there.

    • Walid
      Walid
      February 5, 2014, 6:10 am

      “… and then we can go on from there.”

      Yes, Brenda, directly to Intifada III.

  31. iResistDe4iAm
    iResistDe4iAm
    February 5, 2014, 9:02 am

    “Last year, not one Israeli was killed by a Palestinian from the West Bank” ~ John Kerry

    When will the first year be when a US politician can say “not one Palestinian (or Lebanese, Syrian, or other Arab) was killed by an Israeli on Palestinian (or Arab) land”?

    66 years after the ethnic cleansing of Palestine, the Nakba continues.

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