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From Spiegel online, about German-Israeli relations being at an all-time low, because of Israel’s treatment of Palestinians. I wonder if this figured at all in Netanyahu’s comment the other day about opposition “on the soil of Europe.”

Recent years have seen several instances of tension between Germany and Israel. German Chancellor Angela Merkel and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu have even shouted at each other on the telephone while discussing Israeli policies toward Palestinians. But relations between the two countries have never been as difficult during Merkel’s three terms in office as they are now — on the eve of German-Israeli government consultations scheduled for next Monday in Israel.

Hmm. And you wondered why the NSA was listening in on Merkel’s phone calls?

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  1. annie
    annie
    February 19, 2014, 11:14 am

    more from Spiegel:

    The appearance by Martin Schulz, the German president of the European Parliament, before the Knesset last Wednesday seemed to provide the perfect example of what is driving Israeli displeasure with Germany. Schulz criticized the unequal distribution of drinking water between Israelis and Palestinians, asking “How it can be that an Israeli is allowed to use 70 liters of water per day, but a Palestinian only 17?” But he also had to admit that he hadn’t checked the figures he cited. Several members of parliament left the plenary hall in protest. Schulz’s speech came across in Israel as typical German know-it-all arrogance.

    it probably doesn’t help bennett throwing fit and writing on his FB ” ”I will not tolerate duplicitous propaganda against Israel in the Knesset … and especially not in German.”

    http://mondoweiss.net/2014/02/during-speech-knesset.html

  2. American
    American
    February 19, 2014, 11:26 am

    Interesting conversation between the two in that Spiegel article.
    What comes thru so clearly in every Israeli discourse with the world, what is so glaring in everything the Israelis say, is their attitude, their demand that Germany and the world is forever responsible for Jews and the Jewish State, that nothing less than everyone giving Israel everything it demands is acceptable.
    Nothing will ever be enough for these people, they are a bottomless pit.
    Maybe the world is catching onto the fact that it has to quit feeding the wolf.

    “A Native American grandfather talking to his young grandson tells the boy he has two wolves inside of him struggling with each other. The first is the wolf of peace, love and kindness. The other wolf is fear, greed and hatred. “Which wolf will win, grandfather?” asks the young boy. “Whichever one I feed,” is the reply.”
    Native American Proverb

  3. German Lefty
    German Lefty
    February 19, 2014, 2:42 pm

    I wonder what you mean by “Freundschaftsbezeigungen”. That’s not a German word. We don’t have “Bezeigungen”. Do you mean “Freundschaftsbekundungen” or “Freundschaftsbeziehungen“?

    • MahaneYehude1
      MahaneYehude1
      February 19, 2014, 4:40 pm

      Don’t know if it is “Freundschaftsbekundungen” or “Freundschaftsbeziehungen“, but I welcome German Chancellor Angela Merkel, a real freund of the state of Israel:

      ברוכים הבאים
      Welcome to Israel!!

      • libra
        libra
        February 19, 2014, 5:22 pm

        Mahane, I’m sure Frau Merkel would be delighted to buy a kilo or two of your Kartoffeln to take back home.

      • puppies
        puppies
        February 20, 2014, 12:23 am

        @libra – Not without the certificate to show it wasn’t produced in post-67 occupied land. The New Kosher.

      • MahaneYehude1
        MahaneYehude1
        February 20, 2014, 1:44 pm

        @puppies:

        What would you say if I buy my spuds from my supplier from East Jerusalem, hence I give him opportunity to sell his merchandise in Israeli market? Should I stop buy from him and buy from Israeli Jews inside Israel?

      • puppies
        puppies
        February 21, 2014, 12:22 am

        @Mahane: Neither. You should just get the hell out of there.
        Anyway, there is a difference between exploiting the occupied at gunpoint and exporting the occupier’s produce. Doesn’t take a genius to get it.

    • puppies
      puppies
      February 20, 2014, 12:19 am

      @DE-Lefty: Bezeigung as in demonstration. Tsk Tsk. I hope you are not about to diss Mark Twain, one of the greatest German authors?

      • Antidote
        Antidote
        February 20, 2014, 9:20 pm

        @puppies:

        “Bezeigung as in demonstration. Tsk Tsk. I hope you are not about to diss Mark Twain, one of the greatest German authors?”

        Twain wrote, rather arrogantly:

        “”Freundschaftsbezeigungen” seems to be “Friendship demonstrations,” which is only a foolish and clumsy way of saying “demonstrations of friendship.”

        The prepostional phrase “demonstrations of friendship” may seem “foolish and clumsy” from the German perspective. At any rate, my guess is that Twain found this particular compound noun in a novel that would still have been required reading for an educated American of Twain’s generation: (in the original German, of course). Goethe’s 1774 international bestseller “Die Leiden des jungen Werther” (The Sorrows of Young Werther). In Werther’s letter of May 17 (1771), we read:

        “Sonst sind mir einige verzerrte Originale in den Weg gelaufen, an denen alles unausstehlich ist, an unerträglichesten ihre FREUNDSCHAFTSBEZEIGUNGEN.”

        Surely, Goethe would qualify as “one of the greatest German authors”? Just as surely as Twain was influenced by the Nativists, and their increasing discomfort with anything German. Too much competition for the Anglo-American superiority complex.

        Goethe happened to be enthusiastic about Shakespeare at the time he wrote his first and most successful novel (and ever after) . Shakespeare made up a lot of English words, too. Many seem strange and obsolete today. C’est la vie.

        http://books.google.bs/books?id=KTSoAAAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=dover+sorrows+of+young+werther&hl=en&sa=X&ei=drUGU-LRMKXx0gH2qoHACA&ved=0CCoQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=dover%20sorrows%20of%20young%20werther&f=false

      • puppies
        puppies
        February 21, 2014, 12:40 am

        (very definitely OT)
        Hey, the Werther word is duly embalmed, but we have a couple live ones on the Web. One of which from the heyday of the DDR:
        “Berlin (ADN). Der sowjetische Kosmonaut German Titow hat in einem Brief an den Vorsitzenden des Sekretariats des Zentralvorstandes der Gesellschaft für Deutsch-sowjetische Freundschaft, Fritz Beyling, für die zahlreichen Freundschaftsbezeigungen gedankt…
        (https://www.nd-archiv.de/ausgabe/1961-11-25)

      • German Lefty
        German Lefty
        February 21, 2014, 12:47 pm

        @ puppies

        Hey, the Werther word is duly embalmed, but we have a couple live ones on the Web. One of which from the heyday of the DDR:

        1961 was still well before I was born. I was spared “Die Leiden des jungen Werthers” because it was only read by the pupils who attended the advanced course German. My advanced course was English. I had to read a book by John Grisham. Modern English is easier to understand than outdated German.

      • puppies
        puppies
        February 21, 2014, 6:01 pm

        DE-Lefty – OK, young’un, even young Werther seems to be out of the compulsory curriculum (who is Grisham?) but unfortunately you’ll have to put up with us mummies for a couple years longer.

      • James Canning
        James Canning
        February 21, 2014, 7:26 pm

        John Grisham?

      • MahaneYehude1
        MahaneYehude1
        February 21, 2014, 1:54 am

        @Puppies:

        Anyway, there is a difference between exploiting the occupied at gunpoint and exporting the occupier’s produce. Doesn’t take a genius to get it.

        I agree with you that we don’t have to be genius to understand it so your original comment was unnecessary.

      • puppies
        puppies
        February 21, 2014, 10:31 am

        @Mahana – No, you don’t agree; otherwise you wouldn’t have posted your inane question.

      • German Lefty
        German Lefty
        February 21, 2014, 6:17 pm

        @ puppies
        unfortunately you’ll have to put up with us mummies for a couple years longer.

        Oh, no problem :-) As long as you don’t use obsolete words, I will even understand you. If I may ask, how old are you?

  4. Antidote
    Antidote
    February 19, 2014, 5:18 pm

    I agree That “Freundschaftsbezeigungen” is awkward and obsolete. Nevertheless, it’s a German word. Mark Twain mentioned it in his diatribe re the “awful German language”:

    “Some German words are so long that they have a perspective. Observe these examples:

    Freundschaftsbezeigungen.
    Dilettantenaufdringlichkeiten.
    Stadtverordnetenversammlungen.”

    You would probably find “Dilettantenaufdringlichkeiten” pretty weird as well.

    The fact that you don’t use it does not mean it’s not a German word.

    It should, however, be capitalized. Mark Twain again:

    “I capitalize the nouns, in the German (and ancient English) fashion.”

    • RoHa
      RoHa
      February 19, 2014, 10:52 pm

      Finnish journalists seem to be in an informal competition to produce the longest meaningful word, but they aren’t the only ones who think size matters.

      http://www.finlandforum.org/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=9172
      http://europeisnotdead.com/disco/words-of-europe/european-longest-words/

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longest_words
      gives us the valuable Sanskrit term
      “निरन्तरान्धकारिता-दिगन्तर-कन्दलदमन्द-सुधारस-बिन्दु-सान्द्रतर-घनाघन-वृन्द-सन्देहकर-स्यन्दमान-मकरन्द-बिन्दु-बन्धुरतर-माकन्द-तरु-कुल-तल्प-कल्प-मृदुल-सिकता-जाल-जटिल-मूल-तल-मरुवक-मिलदलघु-लघु-लय-कलित-रमणीय-पानीय-शालिका-बालिका-करार-विन्द-गलन्तिका-गलदेला-लवङ्ग-पाटल-घनसार-कस्तूरिकातिसौरभ-मेदुर-लघुतर-मधुर-शीतलतर-सलिलधारा-निराकरिष्णु-तदीय-विमल-विलोचन-मयूख-रेखापसारित-पिपासायास-पथिक-लोकान्”

      Use it twice a day for a week, and it will be part of your vocabulary forever.

      • Bumblebye
        Bumblebye
        February 21, 2014, 9:18 pm

        Maybe Aussies should take up writing underneath the line, a la sanskrit? Could be a good fit.

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        February 22, 2014, 1:52 am

        The line is actually part of the letter in Sanskrit. I would like to tell you why, but dark forces prevent me from doing so.

    • W.Jones
      W.Jones
      February 23, 2014, 10:50 pm

      Is antidisestablishmentarianism supercalifragilisticexpialidocious?
      Certainly floccinaucinihilipilification is not!

  5. James Canning
    James Canning
    February 19, 2014, 6:51 pm

    My esteem for Angela Merkel rose, when I saw this piece in Spiegel.de this week. Bravo.
    Friends of Israel say: stop growing the illegal colonies in the West Bank.

    • German Lefty
      German Lefty
      February 21, 2014, 12:53 pm

      @ James Canning
      You and MahaneYehude1 would make a great couple.

      • James Canning
        James Canning
        February 22, 2014, 7:30 pm

        Meaning? Some people think Israel needs to GET OUT of the West Bank. Others argue Israel should stay, but simply annex the entire territory and give voting rights to the Palestinians.

      • German Lefty
        German Lefty
        February 23, 2014, 7:03 am

        @ James Canning
        Both of you are “liberal” Zionists.

      • James Canning
        James Canning
        February 23, 2014, 3:23 pm

        I am accused of being a “Zionist”, and of being the opposite. In fact, I think Israel needs to blend into its own neighborhood, and this requires making the deal with the Arabs (2002 Saudi peace plan).

      • puppies
        puppies
        February 23, 2014, 4:16 pm

        @Canning – Obviously that is a confirmation of German Lefty’s diagnosis.

      • James Canning
        James Canning
        February 23, 2014, 6:08 pm

        It is? I think wanting Israel out of the West Bank is the position of a true conservative.

  6. German Lefty
    German Lefty
    February 23, 2014, 7:14 am

    I just browsed Ha’aretz and found these articles about German-Israeli relations:

    STRANGE NEWS: Relations between Israel and Germany are ‘not normal,’ says Israeli envoy
    http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/jewish-world-news/.premium-1.571009

    GOOD NEWS: Germany’s largest bank flags Israel’s Hapoalim as morally questionable investment
    http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.574743

    BAD NEWS: Peres to bestow Israel’s highest civilian honor on Merkel
    http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.575282

    BAD NEWS: Germany to assist Israelis in states where they have no embassy
    http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.575641

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