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Netanyahu congratulating new Israeli  president Reuven Rivlin yesterday

Netanyahu congratulating new Israeli president Reuven Rivlin yesterday

Yesterday Gazan militants fired a rocket into Israel, striking a road and causing no casualties, and Israel responded with an attack on the Gaza Strip that killed one man blamed for attacks on Israel. Then the Israeli prime minister celebrated the attack in a macabre manner:

Prime Minister Netanyahu on the IDF-ISA [Israel Security Agency] operation in the northern Gaza Strip: Our policy is clear – kill those who rise up to kill us.

Reminiscent of an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth.

The man killed by the Israelis is described as a 33-year-old jihadist, by the IDF.

But the attack hurt others– the Washington Post says three others, on the road near the motorcycle that the 33-year-old man was on. Two were injured critically.

Responding to Netanyahu’s tweet, Gaza activist Maysara al Arabeed tweets two photos of a child being treated for severe injuries and says:

you mean this 7 yrs old boy that u killed today ?!

You have to go to Al Jazeera to learn that the Israeli attack injured a child — by the looks of its photo the same child in the al Arabeed photos.

Some hawks and militants celebrate Netanyahu’s war dance on twitter, but other responses to Netanyahu’s tweet are sharply critical.

“how many Palestinians & children died because of your IDF-ISA operations,”

this Wisconsin follower of Ron Paul asks.

Scott Roth wonders whether there is any other world leader as “crass” as Netanyahu and whether his “kill those who rise up to kill us” tweet violates twitter rules.

Buber Zionist responds:

Netanyahu is Israel’s PM. Denying him service would be denying Israel’s PM service which would be denying Israel service.

Roth didn’t find that persuasive. Ali Abunimah responds:

I made a formal abuse complaint to @twitter last time @netanyahu used it to threaten murder. Got not response.

Meantime, the State Department condemned the rocket attack from Gaza and blamed Hamas. 

we condemn all rocket fire from Gaza. It is unprovoked aggression against civilian targets and is totally unacceptable. We welcome President Abbas’s prompt and outspoken condemnation of this attack. We note that he has demanded that all the Palestinian factions remain committed to the ceasefire agreement that was signed in Cairo in 2012, and we expect the Palestinian Authority will do everything in its power to prevent attacks into Gaza – from Gaza into Israel. But we acknowledge the reality that Hamas currently controls Gaza.

AP’s Matt Lee asked the State spokesperson how long the U.S. can support the reunification government if there are attacks from Gaza. Of course, Netanyahu also blamed Hamas and the new Palestinian government, in a statement that restated his biblical policy.

“Our policy is clear – kill those who rise up to kill us,” Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said… ”This is the true face of Hamas; it is continuing to plan terrorist attacks against Israeli citizens even as it inside the Palestinian government….”

 

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  1. just
    just
    June 12, 2014, 11:49 am

    Interesting. I don’t tweet. I guess they don’t have ‘moderators’ on twitter.

    I guess this is the rule that I believe the PM violated:

    “Violence and Threats: You may not publish or post direct, specific threats of violence against others.”

    https://support.twitter.com/articles/18311-the-twitter-rules#

    What other ‘leader’ gets to do this? Does he get a special pass? Didn’t anybody bother to teach him any protocol at all?

    • seafoid
      seafoid
      June 12, 2014, 2:12 pm

      I think he only follows the one set of protocols.
      Zionism is all about provocation and revenge. A dismal ideology.

    • hophmi
      hophmi
      June 12, 2014, 2:25 pm

      A general statement that one will “kill those who rise up to kill us” is not a direct, specific threat of violence against other people. It is a succinct statement of the right to self-defense as enshrined in Article 51 of the UN Charter.

      • talknic
        talknic
        June 12, 2014, 8:25 pm

        @ hophmi “A general statement that one will “kill those who rise up to kill us” is not a direct, specific threat of violence against other people. “

        Oh. I see … Israelis don’t kill other people, they kill someone else? Who? Israeli missiles and arms are gentle? Don’t explode? Aren’t violent? Is there anything you will not excuse with stupid statements?

        “It is a succinct statement of the right to self-defense as enshrined in Article 51 of the UN Charter.”

        Uh huh. “Measures taken by Members in the exercise of this right of self-defence shall be immediately reported to the Security Council …” Was it?

        This is the same UN Charter Israel is in breach of according to numerous UNSC resolutions reaffirming and emphasizing that binding Charter? (plus binding International Law & relevant binding conventions)

        It’s the same UN Charter that conveys the fact that territory cannot be acquired by war, ANY war. The same UN Charter that has a Chapt XI

      • eljay
        eljay
        June 12, 2014, 10:01 pm

        >> A general statement that one will “kill those who rise up to kill us” is not a direct, specific threat of violence against other people.

        Unless Iran or Hamas say it about Israel, in which case it’s Jew-hatred, anti-Semitism, an existential threat and the Holocaust re-visited.

        Funny how that works.

      • June 13, 2014, 9:24 am

        When you say you will “kill those who rise up to kill us” and then in fact kill someone, I am not sure how it can be argued that the statement was not a threat to kill someone. Only in hophmi land and only if done by Israel

      • hophmi
        hophmi
        June 13, 2014, 12:15 pm

        The threat has to be “specific” and “direct.” If I tweet that I will kill anyone who comes at me with a knife, that’s not a specific and direct threat. If I tweet that I am going to kill John because John came at me with a knife, that’s specific and direct. So “We will kill anyone who rises up to kill us” is neither specific nor direct.

  2. Woody Tanaka
    Woody Tanaka
    June 12, 2014, 11:55 am

    “It is unprovoked aggression…” Only someone whose head was in the sand could suggest that Israel and the Israelis have not been continuously provoking aggression for decades.

  3. Woody Tanaka
    Woody Tanaka
    June 12, 2014, 12:03 pm

    “Our policy is clear – kill those who rise up to kill us.”

    Should the Palestinians adopt that policy, too? If an Israeli rises up to put on the IDF uniform, kill him. If an Israeli goes to the polls to vote for yet another terror government, kill him. If an Israeli relaxes in a cafe having supported a government which kills Palestinians, kill him. If an Israeli steps one foot over the green line, kill him.

    Surely, even Netanyahu can’t object to that, right?

  4. BillM
    BillM
    June 12, 2014, 12:08 pm

    The last 3 words of the tweet are entirely superfluous.

    Our policy is clear – kill those who rise up

  5. Xpat
    Xpat
    June 12, 2014, 12:12 pm

    In Judaism, this phrase is applied to situations where you are not in immediate danger, but dealing with a person engaged in nefarious activities who might endanger you. In the Talmud, Sanhedrin 72b, it is a nighttime burglar. If you confront the thief, he might kill you. The Talmud gives the homeowner permission to use lethal force in confronting the intruder. The earlier, biblical source for this is God’s command to the Israelites to pre-emptively attack their enemy, the Midianites.
    Yet there are other Jewish sources that outlaw murder and that welcome the Midianites as family.
    Trust Netanyahu, a secular, Israeli politician, to co-opt an ancient religious text and distort Jewish sources in order to justify his killing of Palestinians.

    • just
      just
      June 12, 2014, 12:26 pm

      Whew. Netanyahu might rue the day that he co-opted ‘an ancient religious text to justify his killing’………he really and truly lives and breathes Israeli Exceptionalism.

      Because there are certainly innumerable examples of nighttime raids, thievery, burglaries, harassment, arrests, kidnappings and beatings of Palestinians by the IOF.

      He should be grateful for the ‘pass’ he’s gotten.

  6. Jim Holstun
    Jim Holstun
    June 12, 2014, 12:22 pm

    This particular death threat is a Zionist favorite: “He who rises up to kill us, we will pre-empt it and kill him first” (Ariel Sharon, “Sharon anger over suicide bombing,” BBC News 8 May 2002 available at http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1974009.stm.

    As Elliott notes, Netanyahu and Sharon are ultimately paraphrasing the Babylonian Talmud on Exodus 22: 2–3 (David B. Kopel, “The Torah and Self-Defense,” Penn State Law Review 109.1 (2004): 17–42). Of course, that doesn’t make it any less barbarous—or idiotic: if you are going to kill me on Monday because you fear I will kill you on Tuesday, then shouldn’t I try to kill you on Sunday? That’s the murderous illogic of preemption.

    See also that redoubtable liberal idiot, Michael Ignatieff, on “terrorists”: “Against this kind of enemy . . . it makes sense to get our retaliation in first” (‘Lesser Evils: Could We Lose the War on Terror?” (The New York Times Magazine, 2 May 2004, available at: http://select.nytimes.com/search/restricted/article?res=FA0D17FB345E0C718CDDAC0894DC404482.

  7. LuLu
    LuLu
    June 12, 2014, 12:42 pm

    Netanyahu is a moron… Eye for an eye tooth for a tooth is also followed by Muslims, it is in the Quran. What is also in there is kill those who oppress you unless they retreat. Oppression is worse than murder, and there is a green light to kill them. It is no longer about land, it is about the oppression. That is why you see Gaza’s uproar about firing rockets. STILL… Palestinians in Gaza need to stop that because innocent people who have nothing to do with the Netenyahoooos regime are going to be killed.. But when one is oppressed PTSD kicks in and there is no prediction what they will do when or how.. It is actually like a ticking time bomb, sad and very scary..

    • Walid
      Walid
      June 12, 2014, 2:00 pm

      Lulu, Muslims have enough problems with disinformation being spread about their religion without your help. While eye for an eye and nose for nose is only mentioned once, the merits of forgiveness (ghofran) are mentioned and lauded over a hundred times in the Quran. Even the verse you alluded to that was taken from the Jewish law about an eye for an eye ends with the provision that forgiveness must be granted with repentance and/or amends being made under one of 3 options: qisas or life for life; compensation; or forgiveness. This is the second time you misquote what’s written in the Quran.

      You may remember a few weeks back on the news about the Iranian woman that forgave the man who had killed her son 8 years earlier on the day he was scheduled to be hanged.

      The Quranic verse in question; the 4th word “them ” is referencing the Jews:

      We ordained therein for them: ‘Life for life, eye for eye, nose or nose, ear for ear, tooth for tooth, and wounds equal for equal.’ But if any one remits the retaliation by way of charity, it is an act of atonement for himself. And if any fail to judge by (the light of) what God has revealed, they are (no better than) wrong-doers” [Quran 5:45].

      • just
        just
        June 12, 2014, 2:14 pm

        very good point and post, Walid.

      • gamal
        gamal
        June 12, 2014, 4:03 pm

        Hi Walid, its the 5th word and you have 5:46 above, surely, not 45, 5:45, is nice and up beat, all the rest is good and anyway nothing is certain.

        “[5:45] Surely, We sent down the Torah wherein was guidance and light. By it did the Prophets, who were obedient to Us, judge for the Jews, as did the godly people and those learned in the Law; for they were required to preserve the Book of Allah, and because they were guardians over it. Therefore fear not men but fear Me; and barter not My Signs for a paltry price. And whoso judges not by that which Allah has sent down, these it is who are the disbelievers.
        یقیناً ہم نے تورات اتاری اُس میں ہدایت بھی تھی اور نور بھی۔ اس سے انبیاءجنہوں نے اپنے آپ کو(کلیۃً اللہ کے) فرمانبردار بنا دیا تھا یہود کے لئے فیصلہ کرتے تھے۔ اور اسی طرح اللہ والے لوگ اور علماءبھی اس وجہ سے کہ ان کو اللہ کی کتاب کی حفاظت کا کام سونپا گیا تھا (فیصلہ کرتے تھے) اور وہ اس پر گواہ تھے۔ پس تم لوگوں سے نہ ڈرو اور مجھ سے ڈرو اور میری آیات کو معمولی قیمت پر نہ بیچو۔ اور جو اُس کے مطابق فیصلہ نہ کرے جو اللہ نے نازل کیا ہے تو یہی لوگ ہیں جو کافر ہیں۔ ”

        The classical commentary contains some interesting stuff, the Ulema came down on the side of the Jews in their disputes with the Christians, about the teaching of forgiveness, some in the Ulema said that the teaching of forgiveness, referencing that part of al-maidah that deals with the issue, was an authentic teaching of the Torah, and was still present in it interpretively, and thus Christian denunciation of the Torah ( characterized as boasting about gentleness), on the point of mercy, was misplaced, admitting that Moses stressed retaliation, because of his times and the attendant realities, the Ulema opined that the Torah teaches forgiveness no less than the Gospels, and can not be criticized on that point.

      • Walid
        Walid
        June 13, 2014, 3:45 am

        Thanks for the correction and elaboration and that the Torah also teaches forgiveness, Gamal. Gets a bit confusing with the various translations around. I usually pick Yusuf Ali’s. 5:46 actually gets into Mary and Jesus. Here are the 3 verses from Yusuf Ali:

        44. It was We who revealed the law (to Moses): therein was guidance and light. By its standard have been judged the Jews, by the prophets who bowed (as in Islam) to Allah.s will, by the rabbis and the doctors of law: for to them was entrusted the protection of Allah.s book, and they were witnesses thereto: therefore fear not men, but fear me, and sell not my signs for a miserable price. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (no better than) Unbelievers.

        45. We ordained therein for them: “Life for life, eye for eye, nose or nose, ear for ear, tooth for tooth, and wounds equal for equal.” But if any one remits the retaliation by way of charity, it is an act of atonement for himself. And if any fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (No better than) wrong-doers.

        46. And in their footsteps We sent Jesus the son of Mary, confirming the Law that had come before him: We sent him the Gospel: therein was guidance and light, and confirmation of the Law that had come before him: a guidance and an admonition to those who fear Allah.

      • gamal
        gamal
        June 13, 2014, 5:41 am

        its cool its Islam, we are both right it all depends who you want to believe, there are 7 slightly varied canonical versions of the Quran, this is one of those minor little things see, Maulvi Sher Ali’s translation he uses a different versification, that’s the kind of thing that can get us into shit when Isis gets here, which version do they favour? better get on one those websites where i can check which version is kosher.

      • Walid
        Walid
        June 13, 2014, 7:25 am

        Gamal, don’t let any of those ISIS people hear you saying there are 7 slight variations. Most Muslims believe the Quran was delivered by Gabriel already compiled in a single book and that there aren’t any variations of it on laylat al-qadr during the last week of Ramadan. Others say that the first instalment of the Quran was delivered on laylat al-qadr with subsequent suras delivered over the following 23 years of the Prophet’s life. Even more blasphemous if you say that the Prophet couldn’t read or write. Tell me when you find a kosher site. Better for both of us to make that halal. It seems wherever these guys are in control, everyone has to dress appropriately and to pray 5 times a day, or else.

      • Kay24
        Kay24
        June 12, 2014, 4:46 pm

        Thank you for explaining Walid, I do agree that there is a concerted effort and campaign by some (backed by millions of dollars) to denigrate Islam, spread false information, exaggerate, and associate the over 1.5 billion Muslim with extremists, painting all with one brush. They seem to ignore the fact that there is violence in the Bible and Torah too, equally bad, when they suddenly become Islamic scholars and quote a violent verse from the Quran. Recently Jon Stewart had a fantastic segment, disputing claims that an opening line of prayer, that Bowe Berghdall’s father recited was NOT a prayer by a Muslim for conquering a place or land, but simply a prayer used by all Muslims before an event. It was great.
        For those who missed it:
        http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/06/10/jon-stewart-debunks-fox-news-boobery-surrounding-bowe-bergdahls-father/

      • Walid
        Walid
        June 13, 2014, 4:19 am

        That was very funny, Kay.

      • gamal
        gamal
        June 14, 2014, 12:24 am

        and as ever Walid, your hilm, shines through, you are the master of Adab, not gesture obviously, no really the Yiddish Jews would say you are mensch, but obviously us Muslims only see extremities to be amputated and noumenon (not the Kantian crap) that need stifling, we dont know where you’ve been, or what you’ve been thinking, 5 times a day. anyway here’s a little quotidian commentary.

        “One day, Joha was riding upon his donkey on the way to market. Joha’s son walked beside the donkey, holding the reins and talking with his father.

        When the father and son passed a small group of people gathered by the side of the track, the people criticized Joha. They said to the old man, ‘How can you be so heartless, Joha? How can you ride upon the donkey while your son is forced to walk beside you?’

        When Joha heard these words he climbed down and lifted his son up onto the donkey’s back in his place.

        Joha and his son continued on their journey, Joha walking beside the donkey, holding the reins in his hands as they made their way towards the market.

        A mile down the road, Joha passed a small group of women gathered around a well. When the women saw Joha they were very shocked. They asked of him, ‘How is it that an old man walks while his young son rides upon the donkey? Surely this is not right!’

        So Joha climbed upon the donkey’s back with his son and they continued on their journey.

        It was getting into the late afternoon, the sun was shining high up in the sky and it was very hot, but still Joha and his son continued on their journey towards the market. The donkey was moving very slowly because of the weight of the father and the son upon its back, but nobody criticized until they came across a small group of people gathered on the edge of the town where the market was held. The people pointed with disapproval when they saw Joha and his son both sitting on the back of the little donkey which was moving so slowly under the weight of the father and the son. ‘Why do you ride upon such a small donkey?’ they cried out to Joha. ‘Can you not see that you are too heavy and your donkey cannot support your weight?’

        ‘I think it is best if we both get off of the donkey and walk,’ Joha said to his son. ‘That way nobody can say anything to us anymore.’

        So Joha and his son climbed down from the donkey. Joha took the reins in order to lead the donkey and walked with his son towards the marketplace in the center of the village.

        But when Joha arrived at the marketplace, many people laughed and criticized and made fun of the old man. ‘What a fool!’ they declared. ‘What kind of a man owns a donkey and yet walks with his son when he should be riding?’

        Joha wondered if it might be best if each person decide how to live their own life. ”
        while the jury is still out on that one, it is
        what used to be called Islam, when did it all become passe, the grave it seems craves my presence.

      • just
        just
        June 14, 2014, 8:12 am

        I love your “quotidian commentary”, gamal.

        May I borrow it?

      • LuLu
        LuLu
        June 12, 2014, 9:47 pm

        Salaam Aliykum Walid, “Muslims have enough problems with disinformation being spread about their religion without your help.”
        You lost me when you are implying this statement. However; the “Hadith” does that on it’s own. I am Muslim as a matter of fact, very very sure that I understand the Quran as it is intended.

        Verse 5:45, indeed “them” being as it is telling us what law was revealed to the people before prophet Mohammed. The same laws apply to all humanity, exception of pacific ones such as dietary, and several other things, but not when it has to do with Justice. I am not going to argue about religion, you can believe what you want thou..

        I absolutely agree with you about forgiveness and not disputing you at all, as that is what Islam calls for. You missed by point about Oppression.
        The Jews are not the problem!!!! The Israeli Govt. who is causing all this injustice and oppression is the problem. Zionism is far from Jews… Like night and day…
        Yes, it was indeed a great thing that Iranian woman forgiving her child’s killer… You again missed my point that I was making… How can people forgive oppression that is 24/7, impossible!! That is why most of them have PTSD. Now if lets say a Israeli killed a Palestinian, that is different to forgive as God wants us to… The point I was making was Oppression is worse than murder..
        God as my witness if the Jews were in the place of the Palestinians as we see right now, and although I am a Muslim, I would be saying the same thing and siding with the Jews/Israelis and asking God to curse their oppressors. Whatever faith or race, I can careless, no one should be oppressed, PERIOD.
        Even I put all this, I am still very confused on how you took what I said in a negative light, which at all is not intended.

      • Walid
        Walid
        June 13, 2014, 4:09 am

        Wa alayki as-salam, Lulu. I did not disagree with the rest of your post but only wanted to correct the stress you had put on revenge being part of the Quranic teachings. You are correct in saying that the problem is with Zionists and not at all with Jews in general..

      • LuLu
        LuLu
        June 13, 2014, 5:28 pm

        Alyikum Asalaam Walid,
        No, REVENGE is not any teaching in Islam. What I was saying is many verses in the Qur’an that speak about Oppression. HIJRAT (MIGRATE) is commanded for those who are oppressed and able to.. As you may know there are MANY verses about God’s world is spacious and He commands one to migrate if need be. However for those who are unable,
        FIGHTING / WAR WAS ONLY PERMITTED IN SELF DEFENSE AND AGAINST AGGRESSORS AND OPPRESSORS.
        22:39-40 (Part)“Permission (to fight) is given to those upon whom war is made because they are oppressed, and most surely God is well able to assist them;
        4:97 “Lo! as for those whom the angels take (in death) while they wrong themselves, (the angels) will ask: In what were you engaged? They will say: We were oppressed in the land. (The angels) will say: Was not God’s earth spacious that you could have migrated therein? As for such, their habitation will be hell, an evil journey’s end”
        4:97 Indeed, those whom the angels cause to die while they are unjust to their souls, they shall say: In what state were you? They said: We were weak / oppressed in the earth. They said: “Was God’s earth not spacious, so that you should have migrated (Arabic: Hajiru) in it?” So these it is whose abode is hell, and it is an evil resort
        39:10 “Say: “O My servants who believe! Fear your Lord. For those who do good in this world there is good and God’s Earth is spacious. Those who patiently persevere will truly receive a reward in full””
        29:56-57 “O My servants who believe! Indeed, My Earth is spacious, therefore only serve Me! Every soul shall have a taste of death. Then to Us you will be brought back”
        4:98″Except the feeble among men, and the women, and the children, who are unable to devise a plan and are not shown a way.
        That is for the last resort when it comes to oppression as they have no choice. It does not mean one is to fight the entire population of Israel, absolutely NOT, just the oppressors which is the Govt of Israel. Actually these Laws are universal to all humanity. Not just Arabs/Muslims.
        66 years is a very long time to be oppressed day in day out… I would have went crazy. It is not just Muslims being oppressed, it is Christians and even Jews. There are MANY You Tube videos of Jews being beat up and oppressed by these Zionist.. My sadness is not any less for them as it is on anyone who has to endure this cruel evil regime. So my point is, people have a right to fight if they are oppressed, but against the oppressor not the entire population on the land, as they probably are victims themselves as well.
        The only solution is get rid of these dictators and have a one state and live in peace and sign a peace treaty, as it is clear that 8:72 on upholding a peace treaty… That is the only thing that can be done now… one can not be evil as the evil did, and ask millions of Israelis to migrate as they did to the Palestinians.. Just the dictators need to EXILE… Lol

      • gamal
        gamal
        June 14, 2014, 3:15 am

        also just to be clear music is ,
        muste, muste, dam kalandar muste muste,

        bannned in god damn Islam,

        we have, all have, an astonishing ability to tolerate brutality visited upon others, I am the most culpable, but still, its all together or none at all, they shot two boys near the Mona turn off and left them bleed out on the road, the windscreen cleaning boys sing panegyrics about them, it all seems hot but stable, the state here doesnt ramp, dissent is a big step, and the two central garrisons call themselves “Gaza” and “Tel Aviv”, its about resolvability, solveability, muste muste….
        http://youtu.be/wisMll3InVE

    • ziusudra
      ziusudra
      June 13, 2014, 4:00 am

      Greetings Lulu & Walid,
      ……..An Eye for an Eye ……
      Originates from Babylonia,
      Everything originates in Babylonia.
      It was King Hammurabi,
      King of Babylon, 1792 – 1750BC
      Code of King Hammurabi, a law
      on de Books read:
      (Only)) an eye for an eye…….
      You couldn’t kill someone because
      he spat in your face!
      Bibi’s Mercenaries should throw Stones!
      Bibi’s Mercenaries should lob Missiles
      into empty Falesteeni streets!
      ziusudra

      • LuLu
        LuLu
        June 13, 2014, 5:36 pm

        NetYahoo is a dictator, a sociopath… He is almost a twin of Hitler.. My God, how can any human being who has a soul in them be so evil. No conscious.. No one lives forever.. After life thou, you surely will live forever, Hell or Heaven… I kinda have an idea where evil people will end up.

  8. Kay24
    Kay24
    June 12, 2014, 12:59 pm

    It is ironic, that retaliation, and showing violence against the other side, even by tweet, is an entitlement only for the zionists. If this was a Hamas or Fatah leader, spewing the same blood thirsty lines, oy vey, the outrage would resound in the US media, and AIPAC would have made pleas for more aid. If rockets that never hit its target brings the wrath of Israel, how much more revenge are the Palestinians entitled to, for the brutal occupation, land theft, water control, and their children being kidnapped at night, or violently shot by the IDF, crimes that have gone on for years?
    It is time the Israelis realized that their lives are no more precious that those they hold in limbo and under siege. Bibi the Booby, once again is pounding his chest, and showing his desire to draw blood, because only they can.

  9. mondonut
    mondonut
    June 12, 2014, 2:52 pm

    It seems pretty clear that the injury to the child can be laid at the feet of those who chose to attack Israel. And that the majority of the comments above simply seek to provide cover for further Palestinian rocketry.

    • talknic
      talknic
      June 13, 2014, 12:02 am

      @ mondonut “It seems pretty clear that the injury to the child can be laid at the feet of those who chose to attack Israel”

      Uh huh. Problem …. Before the State of Israel was proclaimed to the world by the Israeli Government “as an independent republic within frontiers approved by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its Resolution of November 29, 1947, armed Jewish forces under Plan Dalet had for months been in territory not slated for the Jewish state, cleansing non-Jews, dispossessing, slaughtering, razing homes, villages

      They were outside the territory of the Jewish state, cleansing non-Jews, dispossessing, slaughtering, razing homes, villages on the day the Declaration of the Establishment of the State of Israel took effect at 00:01 May 15th 1948 ME time (ibid).

      The civil war that had existed prior to the declaration coming into effect became a war waged by the State of Israel in territories which according to the Israeli Government were “outside the State of Israel” … “in Palestine”. Jewish forces have never left those non-Israeli territories. They continue to this day to cleanse non-Jews, dispossess, slaughter, raze homes, villages

      I’m quite sure you’re completely dis-interested in these inconvenient facts. However by your continual posting nonsense here you afford time and again the opportunity to be able to point them out to honest folk, who’re genuinely interested in justice and peace.

      Thx again. Keep up the good work

      • mondonut
        mondonut
        June 13, 2014, 1:24 am

        @talknic

        I presume from your all purpose cut and paste comment that you do not consider what the Palestinians choose to attack as Israel, which is of course .. idiocy. Nobody, and I mean nobody, other than yourself and Hamas (nice company) subscribe to the weird set of theories you have assembled.

        And for the record, you have no interest in peace. You and your quixotic website have the singular purpose of trying to prove that you are right and everyone is wrong.

      • annie
        annie
        June 13, 2014, 2:52 am

        trying to prove that you are right and everyone is wrong.

        mondonut, everyone? you’re not really in a position to speak for anyone but yourself. why don’t you try refuting him with more than hyperbole. if you can that is. this should be interesting.

      • June 13, 2014, 9:28 am

        “I presume from your all purpose cut and paste comment that you do not consider what the Palestinians choose to attack as Israel, which is of course .. idiocy”

        You ought to be careful who you accuse of idiocy after writing s sentence (?) like that.

      • talknic
        talknic
        June 13, 2014, 12:18 pm

        mondonut “I presume from your all purpose cut and paste comment that you do not consider what the Palestinians choose to attack as Israel, which is of course .. idiocy.”

        If the information is incorrect you should be able to pull it apart with ease .. you haven’t

    • Woody Tanaka
      Woody Tanaka
      June 13, 2014, 8:33 am

      “It seems pretty clear that the injury to the child can be laid at the feet of those who chose to attack Israel.”

      Nope. Israel chose to attack disproportionately when it knew this child was around but since Israel is run by people without morality, they attacked anyway.

    • Woody Tanaka
      Woody Tanaka
      June 13, 2014, 8:47 am

      only if, by the same logic, the death of every settler child killed beyond the greenline and every person blown up at a pizza parlor is laid at the foot of the Israelis, as they have been oppressing, attacking, murdering, and killing Palestinians for 3/4 of a century or more.

    • LuLu
      LuLu
      June 13, 2014, 5:47 pm

      Not at all @MONDONUT.. a MUSLIM, CHRISTIAN, ARAB, NON ARABS life is no more important than a Jews life, it also goes a Jews life is no more important than a Arab’s, Christian, Muslim, atheist, Satan worshipers, Hindu, whatever life.
      It is EXTREMELY clear in the Torah, Qur’an, Gospels that life is sacred. Taking anthers life is ONLY permitted and fighting was only made permissible in self defense with those who were specifically bent on aggression, waging war and oppressing. Do you ever just close your eyes and think for once that could be you or your child, or loved ones on the other side of the receiving end? What do you expect them to do? Continue being sitting ducks? It would probably surprise you if I told you, when the Arab countries exiled the Jews because of the Zionist invading Palestine is unequivocally WRONG and they will answer to God too and to my beliefs, they will get punishment for that. They were not responsible for what the Zionist did.. That was a evil low thing to do and they will answer to God…
      I stand for justice, I do not care on ones race, sexual orientation, religious faith or no faith, etc.

  10. DICKERSON3870
    DICKERSON3870
    June 12, 2014, 4:03 pm

    RE: ‘Kill those who rise up to kill us’ — a prime minister’s chilling tweet

    SEE: From Abused to Abusers: Inside Israel’s Psyche, by Gilbert Mercier, counterpunch.org, 6/09/14

    [EXC ERPTS] Groups of people, either nations or cultures, just like individuals have a consciousness. And like individuals, a civilization collective consciousness records and reacts to historical traumas. History leaves scars on people’s collective consciousness. If some individuals tend to bury personal traumatic experiences under the false assumption that ignoring the pain will heal it, some cultures tend to do the same. Bringing up the collective crimes of Germans and Japanese during World War II is a taboo subject in both Germany and Japan, as if both cultures are suffering from a collective amnesia. . . Regardless, both cultures, as a defense mechanism, suffer from historic amnesia.

    From persecuted Jews to Zionists: Why do abused become abusers?
    If Sigmund Freud was alive today, and could put Israel or more practically either PM Netanyahu or his sidekick Lieberman on his couch for a few psychoanalytical sessions, one wonders what he would find out. Most psychological studies of abusive personalities point in the same direction. It seems to be a paradox, but as individuals, most people who display abusive behaviors in relationships were abused as children. . .
    . . . It is as if the psychological damage and trauma from early childhood turns our natural and normal sense of compassion and empathy towards each other into a vicious cycle of borderline sociopathic behaviors, where inflicting pain become a source of pleasure.
    For individuals, this cycle of pain get passed on endlessly from one generation to the next. What applies to individuals is a good analysis model to a culture collective’s psyche. . .
    For thousands of years, between the Middle East and Europe, the Jewish people have been persecuted, abused and forced to move constantly around. In Europe, Jews were not allowed to own land and could not have roots as they were fleeing bigotry — such as the Inquisition in Spain — slavery, pogroms and the despotic powers of the kingdoms of Europe and the Tzars in Russia. When tolerated, they had to live in ghettos such as the one in Warsaw. This precarious existence for Jewish communities in Europe, with the constant thread of having to leave, brought crafts, knowledge and money at an essential premium for Jewish survival. Books and money are portable, and the constant persecutions against them very likely made Jews develop special skills in both areas of knowledge and finance. Jews became “the people of the book,” and to them knowledge, not material things, was the most precious possession.

    Israel: “He who struggles with God”
    “He who struggles with God” is the Hebrew meaning of the word Israel. But the Jewish state, as defined by Zionist principles, is not only fighting with recognition of Palestine as a nation, but also with Judaism’s humanist traditions. Judaism is viewed by many Jewish scholars as a civilization, not just a religion. Part of this rich Judaic cultural heritage was passed on into more recent monotheist religions such as Christianity and Islam. . .

    Gaza: A modern-day version of the Jewish ghetto in Warsaw
    After the horrendous crimes committed against them during World War II by Nazi Germany, Jews rightly decided that it would never happen to them again. They will not be the sacrificial lamb of human history, and no longer be victimized.
    But 64 years after its creation in 1948, the Jewish state is now the one doing the victimizing: evolving from oppressed to oppressor. If Jews were treated like second-class citizens and were denied land ownership for centuries, they have now turned the table of history, and Palestinians are on the receiving end of the wrath of the abused turned abuser. Palestinians are denied land while Israeli settlers keep expanding in East Jerusalem and the West Bank. Just like their ancestors in Eastern Europe, Palestinians are treated by settlers and the Jewish state as second-class citizens living in an open-sky jail surrounded by thick concrete walls. Palestinians, just like Jews during World War II in the Warsaw ghetto have become the victims, the collateral damage of history.

    ENTIRE COMMENTARY – http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/06/09/jewish-and-israels-psyche/

    • DICKERSON3870
      DICKERSON3870
      June 12, 2014, 4:18 pm

      P.S. AS TO ISRAEL’S PSYCHE, ALSO SEE:
      “Is There a Way Beyond Israeli Madness?” [Will the Chosen People and the Exceptional People Go Down Together?] ~ by John Grant, Counterpunch, 8/31/12

      [EXCERPTS]

      The patient, by the name of Israel, walks into the room and instantly bursts into a tirade of arguments conclusively proving his credentials, and says that he is better than everyone else.
      – Ofer Grosbard, “Israel On The Couch: The Psychology of the Peace Process”

      The problem Americans have with Israel is that the region it exists in is in the midst of a major political sea change, while Israel is frozen in time and holding on to its militarist, right-wing policies of extending settlements in the West Bank. It’s a policy that harks back to the ideas of the British-trained militarist Ze’ev Jabotinsky’s Iron Wall, which is based on the idea a live-and-let-live policy between Jews and Arabs is impossible and, thus, Jews must militarily control and repress Palestinians . . .
      . . . How does a people turn back a racially-oriented demonization program with roots that extend back many decades? How do you ratchet down a nation’s narcissism so people are able to simply see the other as a human being? . . .
      . . . On our part, Americans and the United States need to stop being a permissive yes-man and begin to show Israel some tough love. We need more US criticism of Israel. No doubt this approach will be received with gales of cynical laughter from hardliners … but so what?
      In my mind, the Israeli narcissistic and arrogant mindset would benefit from a little Buddhist detachment, more of the posture that sees the world not of separate individual selves and egos but of human beings as part of a larger flow of life. The Buddhists call the self-obsessed, separatist state-of-mind [i.e. the “pale” of Israel surrounded by Ze’ev Jabotinsky’s Iron Wall – J.L.D.] that Israel thrives on and defends with weapons as “the illusory self.”
      “Once one identifies with a permanent self-concept, the pride and craving adhering to this become the pivot from which an egocentric world arises,” writes Gay Watson, a psychotherapist attuned to Buddhism.
      David Loy puts it this way: “To become completely groundless is also to become completely grounded, not in some particular, but in the whole network of interdependent relations that constitute the world.”
      I’m not suggesting Israel become a Buddhist nation. The point is for Israelis, and more important Americans, to figure a way out of the worsening condition of “us versus them” to avoid the need to obliterate them and set off a war that no one really wants. The point is to re-shape our minds to make “the other” less threatening to permit talking.
      I’m not holding my breath that Benjamin Netanyahu and Avigdor Lieberman are going to become peace activists.
      But I’m done as an American being a silent stooge while Israeli militarist madness fuels hatred and sets the stage for war.

      ENTIRE COMMENTARY – http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/08/31/is-there-a-way-beyond-israeli-madness/

  11. SanFernandoCurt
    SanFernandoCurt
    June 12, 2014, 4:13 pm

    Awfully considerate of the Israel Lobby, taking time out of their busy, if somewhat furtive day, to pen our State Department’s soulless statement.

  12. wondering jew
    wondering jew
    June 12, 2014, 4:21 pm

    There is the policy and then there is the public relations aspect. If I were prime minister, or to put it in “realistic” terms, if Amram Mitzna were prime minister, he would be searching for peace and whatever policy he would take towards jihadi Palestinians would be viewed in that context. Netanyahu is not searching for peace, so his policy towards jihadis must be viewed in that context. I don’t know what an appropriate reaction to a harmless shell falling should be. I don’t think that it should be ignored or treated like a high school prank. I don’t know how active the jihadi who was killed really was or intended to be. I do know that the injuries suffered by those nearby should cause pause, and I do not envy Amram Mitzna his responsibility as prime minister.

    That’s as far as policy. The twitter game is another story and I really don’t buy into that. I think boasting about the policy is ugly. (The injuries to innocents must be called the ugliest part, but aesthetically the tweet is quite ugly.)

  13. Shuki
    Shuki
    June 12, 2014, 4:49 pm

    A textbook example of the double standard to which you hold the Jews. Silence and rationalization for the unprovoked attack against Israel. Outrage and demonization for the Israelis sticking up for themselves and asserting their right to self-defense.

    Not much different than referring to the murder of a whole Jewish family as “resistance” while referring to the building of a house on top of a hill as “terrorism”.

    • Woody Tanaka
      Woody Tanaka
      June 12, 2014, 6:13 pm

      “Silence and rationalization for the unprovoked attack against Israel.”

      If someone in Gaza actually shot off this firecracker, it was not “unprovoked” — your state has been attacking the Gazan people for decades, and have been illegally blockading it for years. There is nothing “unprovoked” in any response from the Palestinians.

      “…asserting their right to self-defense.”

      Oh, that 7-year old you people put in the hospital posed a threat to you???

      “the murder of a whole Jewish family as ‘resistance'”

      If this family is squatting on someone else’s land, then resisting the adults among them with the only thing that Zionists understand — force and bloodshed — is, indeed, legitimate resistance and self-defense.

      “while referring to the building of a house on top of a hill as ‘terrorism’.”

      Depends on where that hill is, doesn’t it? If you want to build on top of a hill in Palestine without the permission of the Palestinians whose land it is, then, yes, it’s terrorism.

    • talknic
      talknic
      June 13, 2014, 12:13 am

      @ Shuki ” the unprovoked attack against Israel”

      66 years of occupation (according to the Israeli Government), illegally acquiring territory by war and 66 years of illegal Israeli facts on the ground and a refusal of Israel to adhere to International Law and the UN Charter is not provocation? AMAZING!!

    • a blah chick
      a blah chick
      June 13, 2014, 8:01 am

      You tell ’em, Shuki! I for one am tired of the rain of missiles that routinely descend upon Israel, the hundreds of Israelis (and I means Jewish Israelis) killed or wounded in the past year and it’s got to stop! I heard that one of them missiles didn’t even leave a crater. OMG now they’ve got disappearing missiles! Truly, these Gazans are a force to be reckoned with.

      Also I am glad that after the mission was completed the IDF released a statement saying that all their aircraft returned safely. Wow, what a relief! Given the power of the Gaza Air Force and the flak they had to dodge this is truly a miracle!

    • Talkback
      Talkback
      June 13, 2014, 2:32 pm

      Silence and rationalization for the unprovoked attack against Israel.

      Silence and rationaliation for the existence of your beloved Antigentile Junta and its constant crimes against human rights and humanity which are an ongoing “provocative attack” against Palestinians, not to mention the ongoing siege and the fact that most of Gazans and their descendendants are refugees your Apartheid entity keeps expelled and denationalized to maintain Jewish domination.

      In your twisted mind you really think that the occupier would be a “defender”.

  14. Pippilin
    Pippilin
    June 12, 2014, 5:01 pm

    Ever noticed that these so-called rockets never seem to do much damage to Sderot, nor do Israeli citizens appear to be killed? I think it’s an Israeli set-up within Gaza to give Netanyahu and his sickening ilk an excuse to demonize Hamas and kill yet more Palestinians. Yes, I’m thinking “conspiracy” (that’s what happens to some of us Americans who have become paranoid about the workings of our government).

    • hophmi
      hophmi
      June 12, 2014, 8:11 pm

      I’m thinking you and the moderator who let your comment through are idiots.

      • talknic
        talknic
        June 13, 2014, 12:19 am

        @ hophmi

        Uh huh. Explain http://wp.me/pDB7k-17Y the miracle chair

      • Woody Tanaka
        Woody Tanaka
        June 13, 2014, 8:50 am

        No, the only idiot is the person who refuses to consider the possibility that the Israeli government is willing to purposefully fire these firecrackers into open fields as a excuse in order to murder Palestinians and “accidentally” injure or kill some nearby Palestinian children

  15. MHughes976
    MHughes976
    June 12, 2014, 5:15 pm

    Something depends on what ‘rising up’ means. If it means ‘putting in hand operations whose objective is my death in circumstances where there is no law that I can appeal to’ then it is reasonable and just to say that I have a right to kill that person before his catapult can deliver the fiery pitch to my house (or whatever). However, that means that if I put in hand operations leading to his death – ie I in my turn rise up against him – then his plan to kill me ceases to be unreasonable or unjust, if it ever was. Hobbes long since pointed out that in these circumstances the only rational thing is to try to break the kill-and-risk death cycle and seek an agreement. This means to some degree abstaining from revenge.
    If ‘rising up’ means ‘claiming the right to kill me because of my ill-treatment’ then that, being a matter of mere words, does not give me any right to take action beyond words.

  16. W.Jones
    W.Jones
    June 12, 2014, 11:09 pm

    “Prime Minister Netanyahu on the IDF-ISA [Israel Security Agency] operation in the northern Gaza Strip: Our policy is clear – kill those who rise up to kill us.”
    Reminiscent of an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth.

    The eye for an eye rule was punitive- the person would be harmed after causing harm. The tweet however is preemptive or “preventive”.

    Bobby goes to the playground to beat up Calvin. So Calvin beats up Bobby.

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