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Image of Dr. Rosenberg from WPBF TV

Image of Dr. Rosenberg from WPBF TV

This is juicy, and goes in the file of The Conflict Comes to Our Shores. Or, The Jewish Doctor Undergoes a Paradigm Shift.

Ten days ago, Jet Blue ordered a NY Jewish doctor named Lisa Rosenberg off a Palm Beach, Florida-JFK flight after she had words with a fellow passenger about Israel and Palestine.

Lisa Rosenberg

Lisa Rosenberg

The story was first reported by Palm Beach outlets as an anti-Semitic incident. WPBF TV:

Jewish woman says racism to blame for her removal from plane

The Palm Beach Post:

[Rosenberg] said she had just finished a phone conversation with a colleague when a woman said she was offended by Rosenberg’s remarks.

“I was saying how it was good Israel found the students that killed the Palestinian teenager and how it was exemplary not making them into heroes, but seeking to publicly try them,” Rosenberg said. “I said any other country would have made these students out to be martyrs and celebrating them.”…

Rosenberg said that after she finished her call, a woman approached her, identified herself as Palestinian and said she was offended by the conversation. Words were exchanged and Rosenberg was asked to leave the plane.

The JTA also gave Dr. Rosenberg credibility in its coverage–

“I just was completely outraged that I would be asked to leave a plane, being a Jew,” Rosenberg told ABC’s local affiliate in Palm Beach County.

Gothamist echoed Rosenberg’s story.

Then the Palestinian person involved in the event posted a comment at Gothamist that the story was incorrect.  

Wildk9z  George F • 3 days ago

I’m the woman who told the doctor I was offended by her remarks. She was the only person yelling and actually said a Palestinian on the flight was a “danger to her”. She was removed from that flight for making a scene, refusing to sit in her seat and not complying with staff. Other passengers, if they come forward, will verify this.

By the way, Jet Blue was siding with the anonymous Palestinian. JTA reported:

“The story presented in no way reflects the reports from our crew, whose decision to remove the customer we support,” the airline said in a statement.

Steve Frischling, a professional traveler, then reported the incident in a thorough manner based on leaked documents:

The initial internal report and final internal reports, both filed prior to the Palm Beach Post story, which I have been able to read in their entirely, and then verify, both squarely paint Dr. Rosenberg as the sole instigator of the events on board Flight 454. Furthermore both internal reports of the incident clearly lay out Dr. Rosenberg as the person who was in the midst of spewing hateful comments towards the Palestinian passenger in seat 9C, not vise versa.

The flight attendant’s reports states that the passengers in seats 12C and 11A were gesturing for her to quickly come to the front of the cabin during the boarding process, and began pleading with her to calm the situation between Dr. Rosenberg in seat 7E and the Palestinian woman in 9C.

The official internal report goes on to state that the flight attendant witnessed Dr. Rosenberg accuse the woman in 9C of being a “Palestinian murderer” and that “ her people are all murders and that they murder children,” while Dr. Rosenberg was attempting move through the cabin and position herself physically closer to the woman in Seat 9C…

Additional passengers on board Flight 454 continued to express concern for the their safety as Dr. Rosenberg continued to rant, even after being instructed by the flight attendant to cease her engagement with the woman in seat 9C, at which time the cabin crew requested a Complaint Resolution Official from the airline be contacted to board the aircraft, and Dr. Rosenberg was informed of FAM 2-13, G PROHIBITION OF DISCRIMINATION, G.1 Race, Creed, or Colour, which says ” JetBlue provides equal service to all passengers regardless of race,creed, or colour.” 

Upon arrival of Jetblue’s Complaint Resolution Official the crew, including the Captain, needed to make a determination regarding regulation FAM 7-4, A.3.1 On The Ground,which lays out whether of not the removal of a passenger in necessary for the reasonable safety and comfort of other passengers.As the Complaint Resolution Official began to speak directly with Dr. Rosenberg, she began to not only continue to verbally attack the woman in seat 9C, but openly imply that the woman had explosives in her bag and intended to blow up the aircraft in flight…

Now the story has completely changed. The Forward has these headlines: 

Jewish Doctor in JetBlue Drama Ousted for Launching Anti-Arab Gaza Bomb ‘Rant’
Official Reports Say Lisa Rosenberg Berated Palestinian

Reporter Rachel X. Landes casts Rosenberg as the bad actor:

A Jewish doctor who was ordered to leave a New York-bound JetBlue flight “ranted” at a Palestinian fellow passenger that she was a “murderer” who might blow up the flight, according to internal reports quoted on an airline security blog.

Lisa Rosenberg, an obstetrician with an office in Queens, was ousted because she “made a racial slur at the (Palestinian) customer,” and that “customers seated in the immediate area expressed concern for their safety because of Dr. Rosenberg,” a flight attendant told investigators….

The flight attendant suggested Rosenberg was entirely to blame in the incident, which caused a ruckus but remarkably only led to the flight arriving a respectable four minutes late at John F. Kennedy International Airport.

Rosenberg was removed from the plane because “of an atmosphere of fear in the cabin” that she had caused with her shouting and racial slurs towards the woman sitting just two rows behind her.

I think the story is significant because the 7E/9C argument is now everywhere in the U.S. and will be reflected more and more in the mainstream. And the argument is obviously a different one from the one we used to have. The Palestinian participant has the upper hand. Israel is becoming delegitimized; and its advocates are becoming desperate, afraid, and smashmouth.

Philip Weiss

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  1. Justpassingby on July 17, 2014, 11:30 am

    Wow what a lunatic woman, in what other state would 3 murderers be seen as heroes?!

  2. hophmi on July 17, 2014, 11:33 am

    “I think the story is significant because the 7E/9C argument is now everywhere in the U.S. and will be reflected more and more in the mainstream. And the argument is obviously a different one from the one we used to have. The Palestinian participant has the upper hand. Israel is becoming delegitimized; and its advocates are becoming desperate, afraid, and smashmouth.”

    Do you never cease trying to build mountains out of molehills? This is one crazy lady who decided to shout abuse at a Palestinian person. She’s not reflective of the Jewish community in any meaningful way. That you would suggest otherwise is obscene.

    There is zero to support your contention that this is in any way reflective of the “mainstream.” There is zero to support your idea that this has something to do with the delegitimization of Israel, as if ten years ago, no one would have listened to some abused Palestinian lady, or as if this woman represented all pro-Israel people.

    • American on July 17, 2014, 12:45 pm

      hoppie says…

      ‘Do you never cease trying to build mountains out of molehills? This is one crazy lady who decided to shout abuse at a Palestinian person. She’s not reflective of the Jewish community in any meaningful way. That you would suggest otherwise is obscene.’>>>>>

      She is reflective of the Zionist ‘Establishment’ in the US….which is currently the only establishment within the Jews that has any real power and the national megaphone.

      So, that she was kicked off for showing her zionist a-holeness and not given a pass or being excused for it because she is jewish and ‘entitled’ by the holocaust —by either the 0ther passengers or Jet Blue officials — is significant.

      You zionist and Israel have ‘ abused’ your victimhood exception. Its going to be revoked.

      • hophmi on July 17, 2014, 12:57 pm

        This is exactly what bigotry is, taking the actions of one person and generalizing them in this way.

      • American on July 17, 2014, 1:08 pm

        hophmi says:

        July 17, 2014 at 12:57 pm

        This is exactly what bigotry is, taking the actions of one person and generalizing them in this way>>>>

        LOL…if I had a dime for every time I have seen Jews generalize about gentiles, christians, the whole world ‘collectively’ being the evil persecutors of the Jews I could buy the US congress back from the zionist.

      • pjdude on July 17, 2014, 1:10 pm

        The way she expressed her hate is rare but the hate itself is typical and that your constant pretending otherwise is dishonest. Their is a certain push for violence inherent in the mind set Zionist jews.

      • LeaNder on July 18, 2014, 7:30 am

        There is zero to support your idea that this has something to do with the delegitimization of Israel, as if ten years ago, no one would have listened to some abused Palestinian lady, or as if this woman represented all pro-Israel people.

        hopmi, can you give me precise quotes that this was in fact Phil’s core argument? Or the basic idea Phil tried to get across. Culd it be you are fighting wind mills?

        Yes, absolutely: Ten years ago I was a pretty “unreflecting philosemite”, whatever that may have been in the year 2004.. But it no doubt may well be the default setting of a rather large “polite” majority.

        If I am changing my position, why shouldn’t I consider that others are changing too? There are limits to “individualism”.

        Starting indeed about 10 years ago I discovered that this basic mental position isn’t that rare at all. It no doubt has degrees of subtleties. But there is always one in whom the basic tunes rise to rather repellent heights. But, that’s the crux, “they” (these less polite citizen) ultimately represent mainstream’s basic positionin a very aggressive way.

        This is exactly what bigotry is, taking the actions of one person and generalizing them in this way.

        That’s where the problem and the dual standards start. While antisemitisms may in fact be something special, it is also obvious that there is a basic metaphysic of hate (“for the other”), and maybe just maybe, the Jewish people out there may be like everybody else in that context.

        I know from here on it gets complicated and needs an interdisciplinary approach.

    • annie on July 17, 2014, 1:04 pm

      She’s not reflective of the Jewish community in any meaningful way. That you would suggest otherwise is obscene.

      while it might be true she’s not reflective of the jewish community in a meaningful way, she is reflective of the mentality of a segment of the jewish community. while that might seen obscene to you, think about how it seems to the rest of us.

      you’re just on auto-defense hops. is nothing worth condemning?

      • eljay on July 17, 2014, 1:21 pm

        >> A.R.: while it might be true she’s not reflective of the jewish community in a meaningful way, she is reflective of the mentality of a segment of the jewish community.

        She certainly seems to be a reflection of the segment of the Zio-supremacist community that believes Jews have special entitlements and Palestinians “are all murders and that they murder children”.

      • DaBakr on July 17, 2014, 2:09 pm

        @ani
        “is nothing worth condemning?”

        anybody yammering on a cellphone loud enough for another passenger two rows away to hear her loud mouth deserves to be condemned. Even if she wasn’t a bigot-I vote to kick her off just for having to listen to her brag about her daughter. It appears the doctor wouldn’t simply back down and take her seat.

        but while it may be “juicy” to the theme of MW it is still a mountain mae from a molehill. There are constantly news items about belligerent passengers getting tossed from planes for myriads of reasons-many which make the twitterverse for a few days and most involve some form of alcohol abuse. Maybe the ‘good’ doctor gave herself a ‘cocktail’ which loosened her mouth up too much.

      • Cliff on July 17, 2014, 6:28 pm

        @Dabby

        You and the other pro-Israel trolls never comment on the content.

        You instead talk about these stories as bad PR.

        Face and confront the hatred in your community. Stop changing the subject.

      • ThorsteinVeblen2012 on July 17, 2014, 2:50 pm

        It used to be expected that more educated people were held to a higher standard.

        We apparently have become a more egalitarian state where there is no distinction between someone with a doctorate in medicine and a semiliterate bigot who spills his hateful bile from the door of his trailer home.

        I guess those stereotypes just don’t work anymore:

      • Mooser on July 17, 2014, 5:35 pm

        “She’s not reflective of the Jewish community in any meaningful way.”

        Here we go with the too-many-Jews thing again. He wants to get rid of Jews who aren’t Jewish enough, and now we’re ostracizing Jews who are too vehement about expressing what they take to be a Jewish feelings.
        This may seem contradictory to many, but it’s not! No, there’s a common thread, and it’s not just Hophmi’s right to make these determinations! No one questionms that Oh, no, that comes second to the absolute necessity of making these judgements.

      • LeaNder on July 19, 2014, 9:53 am

        that comes second to the absolute ‘necessity’ of making these judgements.

        If I get you right, yes that may be one of the central points. With Zappa in mind nessities old and new?

        Now after saying hello on a different thread, I have to retire to Windows FE or more precisely an ideal combination of Windows PE and FE tools. That’s how curious nitwits work. What exactly happend?

        Take care honeypie, the best to you, wife and puppie.

    • Mooser on July 17, 2014, 5:03 pm

      “Do you never cease trying to build mountains out of molehills?”

      More Zionist generosity! At one thread, a “case of whine” and here, free, unsolicited expert editorial advice from a guy who has only Mondoweiss’ best interests at heart.
      Ah, such nachos I get from tribal unity.

      • eljay on July 17, 2014, 5:18 pm

        >> Mooser: Ah, such nachos I get from tribal unity.

        Mmmm…nachos. :-)

      • Mooser on July 18, 2014, 8:22 pm

        “Mmmm…nachos. :-)”

        Scoff, if you want, but you haven’t tasted my Jalapeno schmaltz yet.

    • Basilio on July 17, 2014, 9:28 pm

      Unfortunately, there are more people like her than you think. I’ve had people scream at me in a similar vein. I knew a guy who was falsely accused of a bomb threat by an Israeli on campus when he never made such a threat and even people who were not even there were going to testify against him. It was dropped in court. She may not be representative of the majority, for sure, but there aren’t just a few like her who shout down people and feel entitled to do so even in a public place. It happens more than you think.

    • lyn117 on July 17, 2014, 9:29 pm

      I’ve had not-to-different experiences from supporters of Israel. Calling me names, approaching me in a threatening manner. Rosenberg is not reflective of the Jewish community, but she’s utterly reflective of the pro-Israel crowd.

    • mijj on July 18, 2014, 5:37 am

      APW > Israel is becoming delegitimized; and its advocates are becoming desperate, afraid, and smashmouth.”

      hophmi > “She’s not reflective of the Jewish community in any meaningful way.”

      .. but she’s entirely reflective of the Israeli community. Except, of course, Israelis are throwing bombs and bullets, not just tantrums and insults.

      But, i think we can all understand what you did. You took a comment about Israel and turned did your best to make it seem to be a comment about Jews in general. I guess that makes you anti-semitic! .. tut tut. Naughty naughty.

  3. just on July 17, 2014, 11:36 am

    A first!

    I wonder if the Doc should have been arrested for threatening explosives, etc…I thought that was a real no- no.

    • Tobias on July 17, 2014, 1:26 pm

      That is very true. Wonder if this had happened on an El Al flight which of the two would have been marched off. Good for Jet Blue.

  4. eljay on July 17, 2014, 11:44 am

    >> “I just was completely outraged that I would be asked to leave a plane, being a Jew,” Rosenberg told ABC’s local affiliate in Palm Beach County.

    Ah, yes, because being a Jew exempts you from the rules and regulations by which mere (non-Jewish) mortals are expected to abide. What an astounding sense of entitlement and self-righteousness!

    • Kay24 on July 17, 2014, 12:05 pm

      Yes, being a Jew in the US must give you some entitlement. After all, aren’t they all supposed to be pampered and if it is against a pesky Palestinian, isn’t the authorities supposed to take the Jewish person’s side, and believe the lies?

  5. Marnie on July 17, 2014, 11:59 am

    “Do you never cease trying to build mountains out of molehills? This is one crazy lady who decided to shout abuse at a Palestinian person. She’s not reflective of the Jewish community in any meaningful way. That you would suggest otherwise is obscene.”

    Actually, this is meaningful and really embarassing! This is a “false flag” maneuver isn’t it – suggesting the other passenger had a bomb and would blow up the plane? Trying to get closer to this supposedly dangerous passenger, to do what, harm her in some way? Why would anyone go to such lengths if they weren’t the foot soldiers of Israel or AIPAC; she’s done what a good soldier would do. You should question the motives of this horrible woman instead of the reactions of people of conscience to her nasty ass. I hope her picture and this story gets all over Queens (and the rest of the world too!)

  6. Kay24 on July 17, 2014, 12:02 pm

    The zios still do not understand that the days of lying, and getting Palestinians get into trouble, or look the bad guys, are gradually fading away. Now their crimes are clearly caught on video, cell phone pics, and eye witnesses.
    Lying by Israel, or their brainwashed minions all over the world, is becoming a well known habit, in fact they are serial liars. She is clearly a racist, and she displayed the hate to a planeful of people. I bet she is whining to her like minded friends that she was the victim of anti-semitism. Boo-hoo.

  7. richb on July 17, 2014, 12:04 pm

    Hophmi, this is what happens when you (generic you not you personally) immediately yell anti-Semitism before the facts come in. I saw this story splayed over social media. You should have immediately distanced yourself from her or at the very least have a wait and see attitude. Then you would get a pass that this was an isolated crazy person. Post hoc distancing doesn’t cut it. Now when real anti-Semitism inevitably happens nobody will be listening.

    • Mooser on July 17, 2014, 5:06 pm

      “(generic you not you personally)”

      Oh, so Hophmi didn’t tell you about the “attack” on the Paris Synagogue? His yelling machinery was in good working order concerning that.

  8. Steve Macklevore on July 17, 2014, 12:04 pm

    hophmi says:

    “This is one crazy lady who decided to shout abuse at a Palestinian person. She’s not reflective of the Jewish community in any meaningful way.”

    On the contrary, with her emotional intensity, claims that ‘the other’ is a murderer and/or evil and general bullying intimidation, I’d say she’s typical of the more extreme pro Israel supporters.

    These tactics are designed to intimidate and silence anyone sympathetic to the Palestinian cause. Sadly, any pro-Palestinian advocate has to get used to them. The tactics are obnoxious, just like the state and philosophy they are designed to protect.

    • hophmi on July 17, 2014, 12:32 pm

      “I’d say she’s typical of the more extreme pro Israel supporters.”

      She’s extreme. That’s what I’m saying. By definition, she is not typical.

      And she has more than her fair share of analogues in the pro-Palestinian movement.

      • American on July 17, 2014, 1:00 pm

        She is typical of the zionist cult.
        Look at the comments on this story on many israel/jewish related net sites:
        Sue Jet Blue!
        Its anti semitism!
        Its a 100 million dollar law suit!
        Bankrupt Jet Blue!
        Boycott Jet Blue!
        Its Jew hatred!
        Get ADL on the case!
        Represents about 80% of them…20% of them say wait for the facts.
        Well now the facts are out….will the zio chosen admit the truth?
        I doubt it.

        And I have yet to see any palestine or arab americans get rich quick off of anti semitism law suits in the US.

      • annie on July 17, 2014, 1:08 pm

        no one said she was typical hops. but then advocating for israel is becoming less ‘typical’. as phil said, israel’s “advocates are becoming desperate, afraid, and smashmouth.” we see it on these threads all the time.

      • hophmi on July 17, 2014, 1:27 pm

        “but then advocating for israel is becoming less ‘typical’”

        It is not any less “typical” than it was in the past. The difference is that there are louder, shriller, smashmouth pro-Palestinian activists to contend with. And there are a lot more of them in the threads here than “desperate smashmouth” Israel advocates. The polling shows, however, that there is no change in American support of Israel.

      • Mooser on July 17, 2014, 5:10 pm

        Annie, watch out for Pro-Palestinian “analogues” (sic). Hophmi’s got a whole fuselage full, he brought ’em over on a charter flight.

        Yes, sir, those stories about individual Palestinian-Americans browbeating and threatening Jews are skying in from all over right now! Clear the runways! Here come the “analogues”

      • hophmi on July 17, 2014, 5:38 pm

        Sorry you don’t know the word, Mooser, but an analogue (also spelled analog) is “a person or thing seen as comparable to another.”

    • Kris on July 17, 2014, 3:44 pm

      hophmi: “She’s not reflective of the Jewish community in any meaningful way.”

      Well, she’s reflective of much of the Jewish community in my small town in the Pacific NW. These are people who absolutely become unglued at ANY criticism of Israel, and try to bully and silence anyone who speaks out about Palestine.

      At the same time, they flatter themselves over how “progressive” they are.

      The way Dr. Rosenburg is different from the people I know is that they wouldn’t start yelling on an airplane. They save it for the people they are trying to intimidate right here at home.

  9. Stephen Shenfield on July 17, 2014, 12:11 pm

    Will the American Psychiatric Association be considering classifying Zionism as a mental illness?

    • American on July 17, 2014, 12:50 pm

      Stephen Shenfield says:

      July 17, 2014 at 12:11 pm

      Will the American Psychiatric Association be considering classifying Zionism as a mental illness?>>>

      heh…if anyone has her email I will send her my ‘True Monkey Story” so she can diagnose whats wrong with herself without lots of test, needles and psychiatric probing.

    • Mooser on July 17, 2014, 5:23 pm

      I am sure the Ziocaine Syndrome (and Ziocaine Syndrome-by-proxy, those poor schlimazels), although not originating within the sufferer’s body, will one day be recognized as the debilitating condition even cursory observation shows it to be.
      The full course of a Ziocaine Syndrome episode is often seen (from a safe distance) in these very comment threads, with the com-committant episode of Ziocaine Amnesia (that’s what allows them to say the same stupid stuff, time after time) clearly expressed. Almost gotta feel sorry for ’em, they’re tsedrait.

  10. Kay24 on July 17, 2014, 12:12 pm

    Malaysian Airlines passenger flight crashes Eastern Ukraine. Over 200 passengers.
    Very sad.

    Here is the distraction Israel was praying for.

    • annie on July 17, 2014, 1:10 pm

      ooooh. how terrible.

      • Kay24 on July 17, 2014, 1:34 pm

        Seems it was shot down. Terrible. I cannot believe that evil elements are out there shooting at passenger planes, not bothered about being certain.
        This is another hit for Malaysia. What a sad situation. There may have been 25 American passengers on board.

      • eljay on July 17, 2014, 1:40 pm

        >> Seems it was shot down. Terrible.

        Yes, it is.

        >> I cannot believe that evil elements are out there shooting at passenger planes …

        I wonder if those evil elements looked to America’s downing of an Iranian passenger airliner for inspiration.

      • Kay24 on July 17, 2014, 2:07 pm

        At this moment everything is murky. No one really knows for sure what happened. The irony of this is, it could be anyone, for any reason.
        Sometimes the truth sounds more like a fiction novel.

        As I said earlier, Israel must be relieved that it’s war crimes are overshadowed by this tragedy, for now. Meanwhile Ayman is slowly taken out, and those who report on the truth, will be muzzled.

      • Walid on July 17, 2014, 3:25 pm

        Putin’s plane was in the immediate vicinity when the Malaysian plane was shot down by a SAM. Appears to be a mistake.295 passengers and crew.

      • lysias on July 17, 2014, 3:37 pm

        ELINT (electronic intelligence) ought to be able to determine the track and electronic signature of the missile (if it was a missile). NSA and its Russian counterpart presumably already have this information. If it was a missile.

      • Walid on July 17, 2014, 3:45 pm

        CNN has already tried and convicted Putin for the plane coming down.

        CNN just announced that according to Netanyahu, the Gaza invasion has begun. Looks like the Malaysian plane was the Pearl Harbor that Netanyahu was waiting for.

      • lysias on July 17, 2014, 5:11 pm

        The U.S. does have the ELINT. That is what this is referring to:

        US confirms MH17 was shot down

        MH17 “was shot down” and there “may have been American citizens on board”, US vice-president Joe Biden has said in Detroit.

        Senior US officials has told the Wall Street Journal and CNN that a surface-to-air missile shot down MH17.

        As explained by Barbara Starr on CNN, US intelligence had found a heat signature from “a massive event” and “information from intelligence assets” confirming the use of a surface-to-air missile system.

        “Information from intelligence assets that a surface to air missile system … was tracking an object, they believe it was the object. There was at racking of the aircraft from a surface-to-air missile system.”

        “[US intelligence has] another asset that gives them a heat signature, an infrared heat signature that tells them there was a massive event … they put both of these pieces of information together and concluded that the plane was shot down.

        “What they don’t know and what they’re doing now is putting that trajectory together backwards

        “Was it the Russian side of the border? Was it the Ukrainian side of the border? What the launch point was, that remains the big question.”

        Now, is there anyone who trusts the NSA and the U.S. government to tell the truth about this?

      • RoHa on July 17, 2014, 8:14 pm

        Australian military analysts say that bringing down an airliner from 30,000 feet requires a serious missile system with a highly trained crew, and that the insurgents are not likely to have such a system. The Ukrainian rebels themselves deny that they have the technical capability.

        The Ukrainian and Russian military do have the capability. If one of them did it without authority from the top, some commander is sweating.

        Third party actor? The Black Sea is full of US ships at the moment. Are they within range? Or a ship in the Sea of Azov? Be difficult for a third party to get such a missile system close enough on land. You can’t hide it in a false bottomed suitcase.

        A really sneaky third party might find a way of using a Russian missile that was already in place, while the crew were having a tea break. But even James Bond would find that tricky.

      • RoHa on July 17, 2014, 8:16 pm

        Lysias, are you suggesting that a government would tell porkies? Perish the thought!

  11. libra on July 17, 2014, 2:10 pm

    Good grief, it seems Ol’Doc Biorabbi isn’t the only physician with Ziocaine habit.

    • Abierno on July 17, 2014, 3:46 pm

      @Kay 24, @ Walid. Much of the information being disseminated is from the Kiev
      government, who is claiming that they have a recording of Russian intelligence
      authorizing the shooting. Considerable confusion reigns as to who has the black boxes. (UK Telegraph). Meanwhile, several sources state that the plane was flying in de facto restricted air space and that US and other airlines are avoiding flying over Eastern Ukraine. Wise news outlets are identifying that the plane has crashed but not attributing cause or responsible parties. Obviously, many players in the world scene can be expected to spin this horrific tragedy to their own political
      gain.

      • lysias on July 17, 2014, 3:55 pm

        I find it hard to believe that “Russian intelligence” would have broadcast this authorization either in the clear or using a system of encypherment simple enough for the Ukrainians to be able to break it.

      • RoHa on July 17, 2014, 8:35 pm

        And why would the Russians deliberately shoot down the plane? Perhaps to be able to say “Look what those crazy Ukrainians have done now.” But they have been trying to keep themselves looking restrained and sensible. If the missile were traced back to them, that would blow it. Big risk.

        The Ukrainian government would like to be able to say “Look what those evil Russians have done now”, but they aren’t quite saying it yet. And again, there is the risk of it being traced back to them. Are they crazy enough to do it?

        Mistake?

        “Plane at 30,000 feet. Must be a bomber. Shoot it down.”

        Or did Corporal Potopov just put his coffee cup on the red button at the wrong moment?

      • RoHa on July 18, 2014, 5:47 am

        So far, the story we are getting in Australia is that the rebels do have the necessary missiles, and that they mistook the plane for a Ukrainian military plane. This is very much based on the alleged intercept.

  12. ThorsteinVeblen2012 on July 17, 2014, 3:00 pm

    Apparently her patients don’t think much of her:

    http://www.vitals.com/doctors/Dr_Lisa_Rosenberg_2/reviews

  13. eljay on July 17, 2014, 3:27 pm

    >> Apparently her patients don’t think much of her …

    To which the good doctor replies, “I’m completely outraged that my patients don’t think much of me, being a Jew!”

    Her patients must be anti-Semites.

  14. Nevada Ned on July 17, 2014, 5:30 pm

    Hophmi raises red herring: is Lisa Rosenberg typical or not?
    The real issue:

    Initially the story has “the Israeli narrative”: Jewish doctor kicked off plane, anti-Semitism, etc. etc.

    BUT later the story gets straightened out. Jewish doctor gets abusive, deserves to be kicked off plane. And the Palm Beach newspaper gets the story straight!!
    That’s what is news. A bogus accusation of anti-Semitism is uncovered and discredited.

    It really IS news.

    Whether Dr. Lisa Rosernberg is typical or not is a red herring.

    BTW
    Some of the MSM seems to sing a slightly different tune on Israel’s most recent war of aggression: they’re reporting an Israeli “invasion” and not a “retaliation’ or ‘defending itself” etc etc.

    • ritzl on July 17, 2014, 10:43 pm

      Bingo. Hopefully this story becomes an allegory for Gaza coverage.

  15. ritzl on July 17, 2014, 10:36 pm

    But, but, but, doesn’t Rosenberg have a right to defend herself? “Being a Jew?”

    And can you imagine being in the middle of a delivery and have this doctor find out you are for Palestinian rights? I wouldn’t put my care in her hands. Are there more like this? Do I have to ask Jewish doctors what their feelings are on Palestinian rights before I trust them to give their full attention to my care?

    Zionism corrupts everything it touches.

    • MHughes976 on July 18, 2014, 6:13 am

      Maybe these two protagonists, probably both highly educated, could now be drawn into a more temperate discussion.

  16. traintosiberia on July 18, 2014, 9:56 am

    Did Dr Rosenberg mention of the killings of two Palestinian by Israel in May 2014? Did we hear about the death from CNN, Fox,WSJ,or from the State Department?
    The whole world knows about the three Israelis killed . This is the way impression is created ,an overwhelming negative attitude to Hamas and West Bank residents, making it an article of faith never to be questioned and rendering it as a mental shortcut to a biased and dangerously closed default position . The support from American citizen to Israel can mostly 99.999 percent of it, be explained by the emotional memory of a falsely presented event after the incident and always before a preemptive war against unarmed citizen.

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