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As we are reporting, Ayman Mohyeldin of NBC commented critically about the State Department yesterday, saying it was blaming Hamas for Israel’s killings of four boys on the beach in Gaza. From Facebook:

Mohyeldin tweet

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Mohyeldin was evidently referring to yesterday’s press briefing at the State Department, which became strained over Israel’s killings of those boys on the beach, in plain sight of the press corps in Gaza. Reporters alleged that State has a double standard. They wanted to know why the State Department was not condemning Israel for the attack even as it condemns Hamas for targeting civilians.

At one point State’s Jen Psaki came close to blaming Hamas for the boys’ killings inasmuch as it has continued to fire rockets at Israel.

Rosiland Jordan

Rosiland Jordan

Rosiland Jordan of Al Jazeera asked:

Why wouldn’t it be reasonable to expect that civilians who, for whatever reason, happen to be living in Gaza would not become more hardened in their view of the Israeli Government, of the Israeli people, when their own children can’t ostensibly go play in the surf, and instead, the next time they see their children they’re on funeral biers?

Jen Psaki of State responded:

I would remind you that yesterday there was a cease-fire proposed that was abided to by the Israelis for a couple of hours that Hamas did not abide to. And they’re putting their own people at risk by continuing to escalate the situation on the ground.

Update: Bill Clinton made a similar statement yesterday, that Hamas is “forcing Israel to kill Palestinian civilians” so as to gain sympathy– excerpted at bottom of this post.

Here is a fuller transcript from State:

QUESTION: Does the Administration believe that Israel is in violation of the laws of war?

MS. PSAKI: I have not heard that concern expressed internally, Matt, specifically.

QUESTION: So you don’t agree with the Human Rights Watch report?

MS. PSAKI: Well, again, I have not – there’s not been a discussion I’m aware of a violation of international law by Israel.

QUESTION: Okay. Well, but even if there – whether there’s been a discussion or not, the Administration’s position is that Israel has the right to defend itself and it is – and its operation in Gaza is defending itself and therefore it’s not in any violation —

MS. PSAKI: That remains our position and that has not changed.

QUESTION: All right. The —

QUESTION: (Off-mike.)

QUESTION: Hold on a sec. The Human Rights Watch statement said – also says that Palestinian armed groups should end indiscriminate rocket attacks launched toward the Israeli population, Israeli population centers. You would agree with that, yes?

MS. PSAKI: Certainly, we would agree. And we view – and need to urgently bring an end to the escalation that we’re seeing on the ground.

QUESTION: So you agree with Human Rights Watch when they say that the Palestinians should stop their shelling, but you don’t agree with them when they say that Israel should; is that correct?

MS. PSAKI: Well, that’s not exactly what I said at all, Matt. I think we —

QUESTION: Well, I’m trying —

MS. PSAKI: Let me finish.

QUESTION: Mm-hmm.

MS. PSAKI: Our view is that there are great risks in what is happening in the region to civilians. That is of concern to us. That’s why we want to see a de-escalation from both sides.

QUESTION: Right. But I’m just – I just want to – I want to know why you are willing to accept or echo this Human Rights Watch call, which is something that you have been saying in the past, that the Palestinian – that Hamas and other armed groups in Gaza need to stop their indiscriminate shelling – their shelling of population centers in Israel, but you’re not willing to call on Israel to stop its bombardment of what Human Rights Watch says apparent civilian structures and killing civilians in violation of the laws of war.

MS. PSAKI: Well, we’re – been calling on and publicly and privately all sides to de-escalate. But the circumstance here is that we have a terrorist organization indiscriminately attacking and sending rockets into Israel. They have the right to defend themselves. Obviously, we’d like to see a return to the ceasefire. That’s what our focus is on.

QUESTION: I don’t think anyone is arguing that Israel does not have the right to defend itself.  But if you don’t think – but my question is whether or not you think Israel is targeting civilian structures and with the result of the deaths of civilians, including children.

MS. PSAKI: I don’t think I have anything more to add on this particular question.

QUESTION: Shouldn’t Israel be held to the same standards in this case?

MS. PSAKI: I think, Said, I’ve answered this question.

QUESTION: No, I have —

MS. PSAKI: Do we have other – Roz, go ahead.

QUESTION: No, I have —

MS. PSAKI: Said, I’m going to Roz.

QUESTION: I have – I asked another question.

MS. PSAKI: Go ahead, Roz.

QUESTION: All right. I’ll try this a different way.

QUESTION: I have another one —

MS. PSAKI: We’ll go to you next. We’ll go to you next, Said. Go ahead, Roz.

QUESTION: Several journalists, including my colleague Stefanie Dekker, a correspondent from The Washington Post, a correspondent from The Guardian, all saw an attack on what can only be described as a civilian target, a fishing pier several yards from their hotel where many journalists are. And as they responded to the scene, they found that four children from one family, the Bakr family, had been killed. They said there wasn’t any rocket strike that they could see or detect or hear that might ostensibly be coming from Hamas.

How is an Israeli airstrike on what can only be described as a civilian target in full view of international journalists be acceptable to the U.S. Government?

MS. PSAKI: Well, Roz, let me first say that obviously the circumstances on the ground are of great concern to us, including the deaths of civilians, including the impact that the tensions on the ground have had on civilian communities. Obviously, there have been a number of lives lost in Gaza, including the lives of children, and that’s absolutely tragic in our view.

I’m not in a position here to confirm or give you ground updates of what’s happening on the ground. What we’re focused on here is de-escalating the situation using every tool in our diplomatic toolbox to do that, and beyond that I’m not going to speculate on reports of what people may or may have not seen on the ground. We know the situation is tense. We’re concerned about it. That’s why we’re focused on seeing if there’s a diplomatic path forward.

QUESTION: Let me follow up, Elise. Why wouldn’t it be reasonable to expect that civilians who, for whatever reason, happen to be living in Gaza would not become more hardened in their view of the Israeli Government, of the Israeli people, when their own children can’t ostensibly go play in the surf, and instead, the next time they see their children they’re on funeral biers?

MS. PSAKI: Well, Roz, let me first say I’d remind you again that the deaths of any individuals, any civilians, the deaths of children, how this is impacting people in the region is why the Secretary’s been working on this morning, noon, and night for the past several days. Obviously, the tensions have escalated. Obviously, that has caused a great deal of violence that is of concern. But I would remind you that yesterday there was a cease-fire proposed that was abided to by the Israelis for a couple of hours that Hamas did not abide to. And they’re putting their own people at risk by continuing to escalate the situation on the ground.

QUESTION: If Israel does have the legal right to defend itself, and I don’t think anyone in this room would dispute that, because I would expect the U.S. to protect this territory from attack how is this considered an acceptable form of retaliation? Why wouldn’t people on the ground who weren’t near any sort of Hamas airstrike into Israel, why wouldn’t they believe that this is not an act of retaliation?

MS. PSAKI: I’m not sure what your exact question is.

QUESTION: Put it more simply: If rockets didn’t emanate from where I happened to be living or playing or visiting or doing whatever, and suddenly my area is targeted by a foreign government’s airstrike, why wouldn’t it be reasonable for me to think this is an act of retaliation and punishment, vengeance, rather than a direct response to a military attack?

MS. PSAKI: I still don’t understand what your question is.

QUESTION: I think she’s saying that if – that because these are civilian areas, I think you’re saying that this is indiscriminate, that wholesale – the whole Gaza population is suffering. And we – I understand what you’re saying about that Hamas is the party responsible for what’s coming from the territory, but that the whole Palestinian population in Gaza is suffering at those hands. And yes, it may be Hamas’ fault, but that they’re the ones that are bearing the brunt of it.

And let me just follow up on that: Given that, is there any discussion with Israel about how you can help them or whether they have better technology for better precision in these strikes? I mean, during the – for over many years, for instance, during the Israelis surrounding the Muqata when Arafat was alive, I mean, they used to boast that they knew exactly what room he was in. So they knew – they – it was very – when they want to, they can pinpoint with pretty exact precision. So is there any discussion of any technology or intelligence or anything that could help them better with their precision?

MS. PSAKI: I’m just not in a position to outline any of that, Elise. Obviously, their targeting or their response is something that the Israeli Government is overseeing, not the United States. Certainly, we’ve expressed our concern about civilian deaths and civilian casualties to all parties involved here. …

QUESTION: Are you counseling Israel not to bomb hospitals?

MS. PSAKI: Said, I think —

QUESTION: Are you telling the Israelis not to bomb hospitals like Wafa Hospital and the Shifa Hospital? Again, (inaudible).

MS. PSAKI: Said, I think I’ve been clear —

QUESTION: Okay.

MS. PSAKI: — that we’ve expressed our concern about civilian casualties. Obviously, we want to see an end to what’s happening on the ground, and a de-escalation is in the interest of everyone.

QUESTION: I understand. But I remember last week asking you, and you said that the Israelis give warning to the Palestinians to evacuate. Now many of them evacuate to the beach out there, as was the Bakr family, and they have been hit. There isn’t really many places to evacuate to, so what should the Palestinians do to escape this onslaught of Israeli bombardment? I’m talking about civilian – Palestinian civilians. What do you suggest to them?

MS. PSAKI: Well, Said, I think part of our focus here is on working with all of the parties who can have influence on the circumstances on the ground so civilians are not impacted. And obviously, that’s one of the driving forces and motivations for us being as engaged as we are.

Here is the Bill Clinton lecture on Indian TV, thanks to Taxi:

Hamas was perfectly well aware of what would happen if they started raining rockets into Israel. They fired one thousand and they have a strategy designed to force Israel to kill their own civilians so that the rest of the world will condemn them….

In the short and medium term Hamas can inflict terrible public relations damage by forcing (Israel) to kill Palestinian civilians to counter Hamas. But it’s a crass strategy that takes all of our eyes off the real objective which is a peace that gets Israel security and recognition and a peace that gets the Palestinians their state.

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  1. LanceThruster
    LanceThruster on July 17, 2014, 1:35 pm

    from: http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2014/07/the-coriander-death-camp-meme-wp.html

    THE CORIANDER DEATH CAMP MEME — WP

    No fairness, justice, or recognized nationality was ever afforded to the Palestinians. The whole world just turned the other way and mostly ignored their plight. This lack of humaneness, fostered extreme violence in return, is the genesis of the current suicidal acts. The reciprical violence returned by the Palestinians convinced a complicit press that all were terrorists and furthered the David against the Islamic hoards meme.

    Team Spirit prevented development of any compassionate meme within the Jewish or western polity. That same Team Spirit corrupted American politics, purchasing the loyalty of most American decision makers and convincing them to turn the other way from viewing the growing desperation of the Palestinians.

  2. Kay24
    Kay24 on July 17, 2014, 1:48 pm

    Of course it is the victims fault. Not the fault of the murderers who seem to be half blind, and simply unleashed their military weapons, on four little boys who were simply playing soccer. Maybe they used American made weapons, maybe blaming Hamas for not agreeing to the cease-fire is the easier thing to do. Perhaps those who kiss up to Israel and keeps overlooking it’s crimes should be asked, if this massacre would have happened had Israel agreed to peace and ceased the OCCUPATION?
    Then there would be no need for any cease-fire.
    Shame on the Obama administration and all other Israeli servants, who ignore the obvious, and keep blaming Palestinians. US and Israeli policy – Israel can defend themselves, and if they kill you, or your children, it is your fault. Israel must NEVER be blamed, and they should never be asked “why the hell did you shoot at little children, and why have you killed 225 civilians, injuries more than thousands”.
    (225 civilians must have been a threat to Israel).

    By the same token, that ONE Israeli killed MUST have been Israel’s fault, no wait, that was Hamas too.

    • seafoid
      seafoid on July 17, 2014, 6:18 pm

      It’s a pity Osama BL is no longer with us. He would have said that 9/11 was the fault of Bush, by the same logic. All those NYPD dead, because of Shrub.

      • DoubleStandard
        DoubleStandard on July 18, 2014, 2:27 am

        “It’s a pity Osama BL is no longer with us.”

        My comments about Arab cultural values don’t get past moderation, but sympathy for Osama BL does.

        lol

      • Taxi
        Taxi on July 18, 2014, 2:57 am

        Only a humorless schitzoracist would see “sympathy” for terrorism whenever double-standard irony is presented to them. This is symptomatic of the paranoid pathology of the aggressor complex.

        The censorship you’re experiencing surely has everything to do with your abundant hate and racism.

      • Cliff
        Cliff on July 18, 2014, 7:34 am

        @ZioTroll

        He’s not expressing sympathy. He’s expressing IRONY.

        Learn the difference.

      • Mooser
        Mooser on July 18, 2014, 2:11 pm

        “My comments about Arab cultural values don’t get past moderation, but sympathy for Osama BL does.”

        Quick, DS! Don’t wait! Turn Mondo in to Homeland Security, today! And the eternal glow you get from snitching will be yours forever!

  3. LeaNder
    LeaNder on July 17, 2014, 2:34 pm

    I didn’t have much time to watch this.

    But the little reports I watched over here all started with: Hamas uses its civilians as human shields. long before this special event. If there are human shields, there are basically no civiilans. That’s very effective hasbara.

    Since I mainly watched news on the German public channel one, I have to admit I was surprised at how little space Thomas Roth at a more late night news position gave to channel one top decorated (lots of awards) correspondent: Richard C. Schneider. Before Schneider had started every single item I watched with this basic tune. Thomas Roth didn’t give him a chance.

    Thus no doubt the human shield hasbara is so strong “one” man/woman even our journalists (maybe not only a child of survivors) has to surrender to it?

    ******
    Mondoweiss:

    What a pity you guys sent back Hostage to his remote. … But I see that moose seems to have returned. At least I got glimpses.

    • Justpassingby
      Justpassingby on July 17, 2014, 3:10 pm

      leander

      What happend with Hostage?

    • Kris
      Kris on July 17, 2014, 3:19 pm

      I look for Hostage’s comments every day, and he has been missing for a while. I thought maybe he was on a vacation. Hope he will start commenting again; his comments are extremely valuable and enlightening.

      • Mooser
        Mooser on July 18, 2014, 2:15 pm

        “I look for Hostage’s comments every day, and he has been missing for a while.”

        Hostage was the reason I came back, and he’s not here. What happened?
        I’m hoping he is simply too busy, but I fear the worst, that his absence is the “price tag” for all the settlers who have moved in.

    • just
      just on July 17, 2014, 3:28 pm

      what?

      • eljay
        eljay on July 17, 2014, 3:34 pm

        >> LeaNder: What a pity you guys sent back Hostage to his remote.
        >> JPB: What happend with Hostage?

        Looks like this thread was the final straw…errr…thread:

        Frankly this kind of article has convinced me to pull my subscription here and pick-up my remote.

      • just
        just on July 17, 2014, 5:36 pm

        I have missed Hostage so much– I had hoped it was a vacation.

        I learned more about International Law, history, and more from Hostage than I ever thought I would know — my formal education did not even compare.

        Please come back.

      • Mooser
        Mooser on July 18, 2014, 2:59 pm

        “I learned more about International Law, history, and more from Hostage than I ever thought I would know”

        Most of which, unfortunately, as it relates to Zionism, can be answered with the question “How the hell do you think it was done? What would it take to force you to move away from and flee your home”

        Zionism may be especially distasteful because of the Jewish religious angle, and its strategy of parasitizing Jews in trouble, but absolutely nothing they have done is original. They had models of over a hundred years standing to draw from.

      • ritzl
        ritzl on July 17, 2014, 8:08 pm

        Aw hell. I hope he comes back.

        Thanks, eljay.

      • Mooser
        Mooser on July 18, 2014, 2:16 pm

        Thank you, eljay! I will go look at that thread, and his last comments.

      • Mooser
        Mooser on July 18, 2014, 2:38 pm

        Poor Hostage. I can hardly bring myself to apprehend what happened in that thread. He took a Mondo discussion on Chomsky seriously!

      • Sumud
        Sumud on July 17, 2014, 5:08 pm

        Yes what? He’s been absent for about 10 days now.

        *oh I see eljay :-(

        I wondered sometimes if Hostage was Norman F visiting, such encyclopaedic knowledge, just like Norman.

      • DaBakr
        DaBakr on July 17, 2014, 8:20 pm

        something tells me-call it a little birdie- that the views of the famed ‘hostage’ will not be absent from MW for much longer. After all-the dispute was an intra-anti-Zionist one and not a fundamental split of pro-Zionist vs. anti-Zionist.*

        *of course in the world of anti-Zionism the slightest smidgen of a hint that someone may not be completely dedicated to the destruction of the ‘Zionist Entity’ can be construed as all but the same as being in league with the Kahanists. This is exactly the kind of things I like to learn on MW. But I still say that being a dedicated anti-Zionist is a type of obsession that will be hard=pressed to allow an anti-Chompsky tirade to keep it buried in the remote (whatever that means. the TV remote? ) Don’t think hostage isn’t peeking in at the lamenting of his absence.

      • talknic
        talknic on July 17, 2014, 11:54 pm

        @ DaBakr “Don’t think hostage isn’t peeking in at the lamenting of his absence”

        Not everyone has the same self centred need for attention as the harnessed trolls for the Zionist Movement‘s state

      • ritzl
        ritzl on July 18, 2014, 12:14 am

        Good Lord! This is one very strange, gratuitously snide comment.

        What is wrong with you? Something sure is. Seriously. Or is it just that you got your war on now so you’re blazing away in every conceivable direction drunk with the spirit of killing and domination? Go Team Israel: 200-1, looking to make it a rhetorical 201 using any means necessary.

        It’s called kicking people when they’re down. You know, like those thugs did to Tariq Abu Khdeir.

        Maybe the mods are tired, but then maybe this is yet another intentional glimpse into what makes a zio tick and Israel sick.

      • Cliff
        Cliff on July 18, 2014, 7:37 am

        DaBakr,

        Zionism is colonialism and apartheid.

        Get that through your thick skull, troll.

      • eljay
        eljay on July 18, 2014, 2:39 pm

        >> *of course in the world of anti-Zionism the slightest smidgen of a hint that someone may not be completely dedicated to the destruction of the ‘Zionist Entity’ can be construed as all but the same as being in league with the Kahanists.

        In the world of anti-Semitism, it is acceptable to have a slightest smidgen of a hint that someone may not be completely dedicated to the demise of anti-Semitism?

        If ‘yes’, why do you hate Jews enough to condone some anti-Semitism?

        If ‘no’, why should anyone who opposes Jewish supremacism hypocritically be required to accept some level of it?

      • RoHa
        RoHa on July 17, 2014, 8:39 pm

        Sorely missed. His erudite slap-downs of Hasbaristas were works of art.

      • Kris
        Kris on July 18, 2014, 12:59 am

        @talknic and ritzl, Thank you very much; your replies to DaBakr speak for me, too.

        I miss Hostage’s learned comments very much, and always look for him when I check the comments on mondoweiss. I hope so much that he will come back to mondoweiss. Even if it must often seem to him to be a case of “pearls before swine.”

        What Hostage writes is always valuable, and always furthers our understanding of what is happening. What he writes is always true and can be supported with actual evidence from credible sources. Which, I suppose, is the reason behind DaBakr’s mean-spirited comments, since hasbarists prefer not to have to compete with the truth.

      • talknic
        talknic on July 18, 2014, 2:29 am

        The information and sources Hostage’s swift and accurate finger on the button bought to the debate are still in the Mondoweiss archives, I’m sure he’d be sorely disappointed were it not used to its fullest extent

      • Mooser
        Mooser on July 18, 2014, 2:57 pm

        “His erudite slap-downs of Hasbaristas were works of art.”

        Hostage got all famischt over s discussion with “W.Jones”? Somebody needs to check on him, make sure he’s all right.
        I would’ve thought that Hostage was old enough and experienced enough to know that in a comment thread, only one thing matters, the number of “hits” before the thread is closed.

        Forget it, Hostage, it’s comment-town. Don’t ever get upset over anything written by someone who’s real name and identity you aren’t sure of.

      • LeaNder
        LeaNder on July 19, 2014, 11:08 am

        Forget it, Hostage, it’s comment-town. Don’t ever get upset over anything written by someone who’s real name and identity you aren’t sure of.

        Yes, that again may be a quite good summary. The very special community versus top level content relation I would suppose comes with the topic in a much more urgent way than I seem to have experienced anywhere else. informed, misinformed, simply biased, supporting perceived special interests… add whatever you would like.

        First I missed you and now noticed I may missed Hostage. See, I am not faithful. ;)

        My impression at one point was, Hostage may well be a waste down here. Although yes, I love teachers (with the exception of some) and I missed the comic relieve you provided down here, which is just as important as solid information to avoid ideological ossification.

        I always admired Hostage’s energy. Maybe since I felt that his comments did not deserve to be lost among the multitude “babbles”, like mine?

        Ok, I got glimpses of his discussion with W-Jones, for whatever reason it may have drawn my attention since I had problems with W.Jones fast conclusions around the same time. Although I had to look this up, and may be completely wrong.

        I am on the way to see my parents and travel a little and I have an IT puzzle to solve. (maybe after?, now time strictly does matter less than wanting to understand)

        Good you are back, moose dear, I will be off for about 4 weeks, and yes it would be sad if Hostage had gone for good.

        One tiny bit. From the moment I studied this issue I also studied antisemitism. And there is hardly anyone that is hated more by the hardcore section than Chomsky, and yes, as a close second Finkelstein. Like Hostage, and no I had no time to look into this carefully, but I trust him, I am pretty sure had I looked into it I probably would have supported him against the semi-informed onslaught.

        Last but not least, Sumud, the idea comes with the topic of “International Law”, do you think Finkelstein is the only one that thinks this way out there. But to be fair I had the idea too.k

        DaBakr, considering the above, I like your little birdie. Take care Hostage, strictly I do not even expect you to listen. All the best anyway. ;) And thanks a lot.

        Take care all of you
        Johanna, I have a different name, but I hate it, since it means “the stranger”.

  4. DaBakr
    DaBakr on July 17, 2014, 3:08 pm

    a pack of journalists exhibiting their unbiased bone fides in US. Especially like Matt’s attempt to force JP to legitimize HRW opinions (shown so many times in the past to be pro-Palestinian and anti-Israel at its [new] core). Why should anyone take what HRW puts out as anything other then propaganda?

    • pjdude
      pjdude on July 17, 2014, 4:24 pm

      whats wrong can’t take the truth?

    • Cliff
      Cliff on July 18, 2014, 7:38 am

      No one is obligated to be either pro or anti anything.

      No human rights org has ever promoted either group.

      You ZioTrolls don’t believe that non-Jews have human rights (or are humans).

      That’s the problem, not HRW.

  5. on July 17, 2014, 3:59 pm

    You miss the point (shocking!).

    The State Dept cites the HRW report as concerns rockets being fired from Gaza.

    Yet, as Matt Lee points out, discredits it when it criticizes Israel.

    He know the State dept will never admit to its double standard. Yet he asks questions that expose their obvious hypocrisy and makes it plain for all to see.

    Well, except for those who are too far gone

    • DaBakr
      DaBakr on July 17, 2014, 8:11 pm

      HRW is now officially an organization based on hypocrisy and the US DOS as no more obligation to take one thing or another they say in relation to Israel as serious criticism since it has proven by its hiring of ISM and other biased anti-Israeli organizers as part of its reporting wing. Are their other org’s in the HR department that are less slanted then HRW? Maybe. But I still see no great hypocritical issue by not affirming that on the one hand they accepted an hwr report yet on the other may have accepted some mitigating Israeli reports. I mean-it is not like it wasn;t obvious what matt was trying to accomplish. I can only imagine how much eye-rolling the press secretary must engage in every time she faces questions by reporters on the ME. I almost feel sorry for the US in how twisted up its ME foreign policy has become. Obama either has a ‘secret’ plane or has no clue who the US friends or enemies are. The excruciating delicacy with which press conferences are held is just more proof that nothing is clear and all directions open to discussion. I guess folks here are missing Helen Thomas who had a way of making her views well known to the PS.

      • talknic
        talknic on July 17, 2014, 11:57 pm

        @ DaBakr “HRW …….. since it has proven by its hiring of ISM “

        Source …. thx or STFU … thx

      • Donald
        Donald on July 18, 2014, 12:36 am

        “biased anti-Israeli organizers ”

        Anyone outside the pro-Israel cult is seen as biased and anti-Israel.

        HRW is extremely cautious in its criticisms of Israel. They feel no compunction whatsoever in saying that Hamas is guilty of war crimes, and that’s fine with me, but they speak like people looking over their shoulder at their critics when they write anything about Israel. They’re well aware that they can say whatever they want about most countries and about a group like Hamas and their criticisms will be accepted in the US and the spotlight will be placed on the guilty parties , but if they say something about Israel then there will likely be more criticism of HRW than of Israel, at least in the US. Of course every criticized country reacts badly to human rights criticism, but only Israel has supporters that can bully critics this way in the US.

        Though in a way that makes their understated reports all the more valuable. If even the timid HRW folks still end up criticizing Israel’s behavior, it means there is something wrong and the NYT will sometimes quote them.

      • Cliff
        Cliff on July 18, 2014, 7:39 am

        Prove it, troll.

        Provide evidence for your hysterics.

      • SQ Debris
        SQ Debris on July 18, 2014, 2:52 pm

        ” they speak like people looking over their shoulder at their critics when they write anything about Israel.”
        Follow the money.

  6. concernedhuman
    concernedhuman on July 17, 2014, 5:00 pm

    Disgusting hypocrisy !!
    I wonder even after watching these images of dead gaza children the blood of arab puppets does not boil?

    Why are arab puppet leaders and arabs have gone so cold blooded ?
    All people can see is demonstrations in west NOT one in arab world .
    The world knows israel is at fault israel is the one thats the occupier why cant the governments in EU and Middle east and Asia oppose US? If US wants to keep on supporting israel then world should boycott US

    • Kay24
      Kay24 on July 17, 2014, 5:51 pm

      They are all in bed with the US one way or the other, it may be oil, military bases, military help, fighting proxy wars against those they hate, training rebels, so many distasteful reasons.

    • RoHa
      RoHa on July 17, 2014, 7:09 pm

      Syria, Iraq, and Libya have their own problems. Demonstrating in Saudi Arabia and Bahrain is very dangerous. The Egyptians are probably exhausted from demonstrations, and the new government would not like it. But that still leaves plenty of Arab countries. Perhaps there are some, but they are not being reported.

      I note that there are demonstrations in the Far East, and even in Thailand despite the military government ban on large public gatherings.

      • Taxi
        Taxi on July 18, 2014, 7:37 am

        There are demonstrations in Beirut and other Lebanese cities. Women For Gaza demos, Hizbollah demos, Amal demos, Nasserite and Socialists demos, Union and Student demos etc – even the petite Lebanese Communist Party was demonstrating for Gaza today. Saw footage of all that on Al Manar TV today.

        There are also Gaza demonstrations even in faraway China – I saw footage of this on Al Mayadeen TV a couple of days ago.

  7. Sumud
    Sumud on July 17, 2014, 5:03 pm

    It’s time everybody started calling out this “Israel has a right to defend itself” crap.

    YES, it does, and so does Gaza.

    Occupation = aggression. In this case occupation = collective punishment and multiple war crimes.

    Whatever Israel does to Gaza it is not in self defence, it is aggression designed to maintain the occupation.

    • Kay24
      Kay24 on July 17, 2014, 5:11 pm

      It certainly not self defense. Now the ground invasion for what exactly?
      Because ONE Israeli died?

      It seems the US backs the notion that Palestinians are NOT entitled to “defend itself”. That is bull sheet logic.

      This is Israel’s obvious effort to get rid of Hamas, and also break that unity government. Bibi’s manhood was insulted when the world said they were willing to work with the unity government. Now he, and his war mongers have to show how powerful their big guns are against unarmed civilians. The four kids who were bomb blasted while playing soccer, was the start of Israel displaying just how big their muscles are. So far only the US thinks so.

      And on the Ed Show they talk of holding those who shot the Malaysian plane responsible….seems the Israelis are NEVER responsible for THEIR crimes.
      Life in the US goes on.

      • Justpassingby
        Justpassingby on July 17, 2014, 5:12 pm

        Yes this is what happens when palestinians get together, the sick man in Israel want palestinian blood.

      • traintosiberia
        traintosiberia on July 17, 2014, 10:33 pm

        “Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov has suggested that “Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko would like to ease tension and go on with the truce, there are other forces” including the “battalions of Igor Kolomoysky who do not obey Ukraine’s Central Command and the Commander-in-Chief.”
        Who is this Kolomousky? A dual passport holder Israeli citizen .. He threatened a Presidential candidate who ran to Russia. He created European Jewish Union.

        http://www.counterpunch.com 17 th July

        http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/07/17/ukraine-war-spreads-across-russian-border/

      • traintosiberia
        traintosiberia on July 17, 2014, 10:55 pm

        In the same counterpunch article

        -Lavrov’s mention of Kolomoysky, a Ukrainian oligarch with Israeli citizenship who is worth an estimated $6.3 billion according to Forbes, reveals the existence of a bank tycoon who continues to play an extraordinary role in turning the tide of war on behalf of the Kiev government. Of Jewish descent, Kolomoysky, who lives in Switzerland returned to Ukraine to accept appointment as Governor of the Dnipropetrovsk in March, 2014

        He created Dnipro Battalion.
        . Informed that a Jewish solider from the Dnipro Battalion had been killed in fighting and that members of the Jewish community had put a reward of one million dollars on the head of Tsarev , he (Tsa rev) withdrew from the Presidential race after being beaten by a mob in Kiev and after his home was burnt to the ground and ran to Russia. ”

        Things are bizarre indeed.

    • seafoid
      seafoid on July 17, 2014, 6:22 pm

      It’s worse than keeping the occupation going, Sumud. Israel wants to render Gaza uninhabitable. It wants those people out of Erez Israel and is trashing the infrastructure methodically to ensure it happens. Disease is part of the IDF mandate for Gaza.

      • eljay
        eljay on July 17, 2014, 6:32 pm

        >> It’s worse than keeping the occupation going, Sumud. Israel wants to render Gaza uninhabitable. It wants those people out of Erez Israel and is trashing the infrastructure methodically to ensure it happens.

        Perhaps the time has finally come for ethnic cleansing to be “currently necessary” again.

      • Sumud
        Sumud on July 18, 2014, 2:55 am

        I hadn’t thought of that seafoid, how evil.

  8. Rusty Pipes
    Rusty Pipes on July 17, 2014, 6:03 pm

    Speaking of “a crass strategy that takes all of our eyes off the real objective,” Clinton’s real objective is moving back into the White House in 2016 and his crass strategy on display here is pandering to what major Zionist donors want to hear.

    • Kay24
      Kay24 on July 17, 2014, 6:28 pm

      My thoughts exactly, he is desperately trying to get the wifey in, and sucking up to zio behinds, is the way to go.

  9. ckg
    ckg on July 18, 2014, 9:27 am

    Psaki must have learned public relations from Putin. Here is Putin on MH17:

    “This tragedy would not have happened, if there had been peace on that land, or in any case if military operations in southeastern Ukraine had not been renewed,” he said in televised comments.
    “And without doubt the government of the territory on which it happened bears responsibility for this frightening tragedy,” he said…

  10. gracie fr
    gracie fr on July 18, 2014, 2:33 pm

    All civilians in Gaza are being held hostage by Hamas, which is considered a war crime and a gross violation of international law governing armed conflict. This, then, provides legal and moral justification against the accusation that Israel is the one killing civilians. Presumed human rights violations carried out by Palestinians against Palestinians – taking hostages and human shielding – thus become the legitimisation of lethal and indiscriminate violence on the part of the occupying force.

    Hence, the use of human shields is not only a violation. In contemporary asymmetric urban wars, accusing the enemy of using human shields helps validate the claim that the death of “untargeted civilians” is merely collateral damage. When all civilians are potential human shields, when each and every civilian can become a hostage of the enemy, then all enemy civilians become killable.
    http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2014/07/human-shielding-gaza-2014717154428830848.html

  11. gracie fr
    gracie fr on July 18, 2014, 2:36 pm

    …..[The ongoing Israeli claim is that] all civilians in Gaza are being held hostage by Hamas, which is considered a war crime and a gross violation of international law governing armed conflict. This, then, provides legal and moral justification against the accusation that Israel is the one killing civilians. Presumed human rights violations carried out by Palestinians against Palestinians – taking hostages and human shielding – thus become the legitimisation of lethal and indiscriminate violence on the part of the occupying force.

    Hence, the use of human shields is not only a violation. In contemporary asymmetric urban wars, accusing the enemy of using human shields helps validate the claim that the death of “untargeted civilians” is merely collateral damage. When all civilians are potential human shields, when each and every civilian can become a hostage of the enemy, then all enemy civilians become killable.
    http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2014/07/human-shielding-gaza-2014717154428830848.html

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