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Here we go again. AP has the news. The United Nations Human Rights Council in Geneva has named three to its commission to look into human rights violations in the Gaza slaughter. William Schabas, Doudou Diene, and Amal Alamuddin.

The news broke in a tweet from Hillel Neuer, an Israel lobbyist with UN Watch, who says it’s storm clouds for Israel.

BREAKING: UNHRC named 3 to its biased Gaza inquiry: Anti-Israel prof Bill Schabas, Clooney’s wife (really), & pro-Islamist Doudou Diene.

Schabbas

Schabbas

From Wikipedia:

William Schabas (born 19 November 1950) is an author and academic in the field of international criminal and human rights law. He is a professor of international law, a senior lecturer at Middlesex University, and an internationally respected expert on human rights law, genocide, and the death penalty. In 2009 he has been elected President of International Association of Genocide Scholars.

 

Wikipedia on Diene:

Doudou Diène (born 1941) of Senegal was United Nations Special Rapporteur on contemporary forms of racism, racial discrimination, xenophobia and related intolerance in 2002—2008.

Diène holds a law degree from the University of Caen (France), a doctorate in public law from the University of Paris, a diploma in political science from the Institut d’Études Politiques in Paris, and an Honorary Degree of Doctor of Laws degree from the University of the West Indies (Cave Hill, Barbados)

Between 1972 and 1977 he served as Senegal’s deputy representative to UNESCO. In 1977, he joined the UNESCO secretariat, where he held several positions including Director of the Division of Inter-cultural Projects. He was appointed Special Rapporteur for racism-related topics by the United Nations Commission on Human Rights in August 2002, replacing Maurice Glele-Ahanhanzo of Benin and serving until July 2008 when he was succeeded by Githu Muigai (Kenya).

In 2011, he was appointed Independent Expert on the situation of human rights in Côte d’Ivoire.

Starpower. George Clooney’s fiancee, not wife, is Amal Alamuddin, 36, human rights lawyer, born in Beirut. Says the Telegraph:

Born in Beirut, Lebanon, and fluent in both French and Arabic, Miss Alamuddin studied at St Hugh’s College at Oxford University before going to the New York University School of Law.
After graduating she passed the New York Bar in 2002 and the Bar of England and Wales (Inner Temple) in 2012.
She now specialises in international law, human rights, extradition, and criminal law and has represented Julian Assange, the WikiLeaks founder, in his battle against extradition to Sweden.
She also advises governments on international law, is an adviser on Syria to The UN Special Envoy Kofi Annan, and is Counsel to the Inquiry into the use of drones in counter terrorism operations.

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  1. Justpassingby
    Justpassingby on August 11, 2014, 1:28 pm

    And who picked those people?

    • Gene Shae
      Gene Shae on August 11, 2014, 8:12 pm

      The answer is in the second sentence of the article. Surely you read that far?

      • Krauss
        Krauss on August 12, 2014, 1:54 am

        They learned their lesson from last time, when they picked a Zionist Jew to appease the Jewish lobby in the U.S. and elsewhere.

        Picking a Zionist is the first problem but even a non-Zionist Jew is vulnerable to massive communal pressure. Goldstone actually did a pretty damn good report, but we all know what the aftermath was, when he was essentially bullied into submission by other Zionist Jews. And in the end, he wanted communal access more than he wanted justice.

        That mistake will now not be repeated.

        BTW: it will be interesting to see how Clooney will be treated in Hollywood after his wife is involved. I hope – and think – Amal has this as a test. Will you stand by me or is your career more important?

        I don’t think she is going to care more about how many millions Clooney gets, I think she cares about the lives of children a bit more. A lot more.

      • Justpassingby
        Justpassingby on August 12, 2014, 3:46 am

        Gene Shae
        Actually the source doesnt say that, this is not something the council is voting about.

      • Hostage
        Hostage on August 13, 2014, 12:01 am

        Actually the source doesnt say that, this is not something the council is voting about.

        The 47 member council adopted a mandate for a commission of inquiry at its last meeting and asked the HRC’s President to appoint the members in accordance with HRC resolution S-21/1.

  2. bilal a
    bilal a on August 11, 2014, 1:32 pm

    Amal Alamuddin is highly spooked up :

    Amal Alamuddin Notable Clients

    Advised Kofi Annan, the Joint Special Envoy of the United Nations and the Arab League on Syria
    Represented Yulia Tymoshenko, former Ukrainian Prime Minister, in challenging her detention before the European Court of Human Rights
    Prosecuted those responsible for assassinating Lebanese Prime Minister Hariri at a UN-sponsored court in The Hague
    Providing legal advice to the King of Bahrain involving Bahrain Independent Commission of Inquiry probe of human rights violations
    Representing Julian Assange, head of WikiLeaks, in extradition proceedings.
    Acting as Counsel to the UN inquiry on the use of drones in counter-terrorism operations.
    http://www.theimproper.com/?p=103782

  3. Kay24
    Kay24 on August 11, 2014, 1:37 pm

    Poor Amal will feel the wrath of the zionists, and George Clooney may never get a good role in Hollywood again. It is sad that at this time and age, there is an ugly organized entity, very vicious, that is able to seep into legal systems, denigrate officials, intimidate them, and harass them into thinking the zionist way….that they will be antisemitic, if they mention, or find, that Israel is guilty of human rights violations and massacre of thousands of civilians. Will this be Goldstone yet again, or will these individuals have the courage to stand up to all things evil? This must be the global domination we have heard so much about, the ability to control what goes on in the UN by US veto, twisting the arms of other nations to make them abstain in their votes, and the corruption of officials so that they keep the war criminals looking more like long suffering victims whenever there are investigations into Israeli war crimes.

  4. marc b.
    marc b. on August 11, 2014, 1:50 pm

    Poor Amal will feel the wrath of the zionists, and George Clooney may never get a good role in Hollywood again.

    kay, this is good news. the Zionists hasten their demise the more they sh*t on members of the elite. And a forced exodus of Clooney, Bardem, Cruz and others from Hollywood really would be something of a promotion, even with the pay cut.

    • Kay24
      Kay24 on August 11, 2014, 2:14 pm

      I wish I had your optimism. So far they have got away with all that intimidation and the zio bully tactics from the Palestinians to the President of the US. Everyone seems to be terrorized into yielding to the devious zios of Israel, and their servants in the US like AIPAC and the ADL.

      • Daniel Rich
        Daniel Rich on August 11, 2014, 8:47 pm

        @ Kay24,

        “My will is your steering wheel.” – BiBi, addressing his bitches in congress.

        I’m inclined to agree with marc b.’s sentiment in the sense that all this Zionist chafing will result in moral blisters and I don’t think too many people are willing to live with them [the blisters].

        Thanks to modern technology images flash around the globe at lightening speed. What could be held under wraps 15 years ago, dance out in the open for all to see.

        I hope someone will bring this bully to its knees. That’s the only language they adhere to; violence.

      • ymedad
        ymedad on August 12, 2014, 3:14 am

        psssst. she declined.

    • lysias
      lysias on August 11, 2014, 2:55 pm

      And a forced exodus of Clooney, Bardem, Cruz and others from Hollywood really would be something of a promotion, even with the pay cut.

      It would also be a suicidal act by Hollywood, as it would amount to the creation of dangerous competitors. Whoever made use of these actors would be guaranteed large audiences, and anything they did away from Hollywood would undoubtedly be better artistically.

      • eljay
        eljay on August 11, 2014, 3:12 pm

        >> marc b: And a forced exodus of Clooney, Bardem, Cruz and others from Hollywood really would be something of a promotion …
        >> lysias: It would also be a suicidal act by Hollywood …

        I agree it would be a promotion but not so much that it would be a suicidal act by Hollywood, mostly because – based on a quick Google search – those three actors
        – aren’t in the top 10 list of highest-grossing actors in 2013, 2012 and 2011; and
        – aren’t even in the top 50 list of highest grossing actors of all time.

      • eljay
        eljay on August 11, 2014, 3:28 pm

        If some of those Top 10 / Top 50 actors were to defect, I think at that point Hollywood would be in trouble. IMHO.

      • michelle
        michelle on August 12, 2014, 4:48 am

        .
        except for a very few hollywood is pretty quiet about this issue
        seems like it would be a career boost to publically support Israel
        yet not a word from even those who are usually quite outspoken
        the silence might well be a muted roar of support for Palestine
        .
        G-d Bless
        .

      • RC
        RC on August 11, 2014, 10:27 pm

        Clooney was in GRAVITY, which was one of the top 10 highest grossing films last year. He’s not a top earner mainly because he does a lot of small films that he finances out-of-pocket. And he is a god in Hollywood. His peers all like & respect him. His fans adore him. He’s had no DWIs, no drug charges, no arrests for anything except that Sudanese embassy protest in DC. And he’s never been afraid to use his fame to stand up for what he believes in. He got a lot of flack & possibly lost work over his efforts in Darfur but didn’t back down.

        I am disappointed in his prolonged silence over the Gaza conflict, but I’m hoping it’s in deference to his future wife. Clooney knows that if he speaks out in support of the Palestinians, the pro-Israel media thugs will attack Amal rather than him because she’s a civilian with no fan base. She’d be completely unprepared for how they would come for her & who wants to deal with that when they’re about to get hitched?

      • Keith
        Keith on August 12, 2014, 6:16 pm

        RC- “And he’s never been afraid to use his fame to stand up for what he believes in.”

        Clooney supported the Kiev protests, which means that he supported the US/NATO coup which led to the first openly neo-fascist government in Europe since Nazi Germany, and may yet lead to war with Russia. He is a typical Hollywood liberal, imperialist to the core masquerading as a do-gooder.

      • Keith
        Keith on August 12, 2014, 6:32 pm

        RC- “He got a lot of flack & possibly lost work over his efforts in Darfur but didn’t back down.”

        He lost work over support for American foreign policy involving “humanitarian intervention?” Clooney is a celebrity spokesman for empire. Call him liberal if you want but that doesn’t change reality. Permit me to quote Bruce Dixon over at Black Agenda Report on Clooney’s support for empire’s African objectives:

        “The star-studded hue and cry to “Save Darfur” and “stop the genocide” has gained enormous traction in U.S. media along with bipartisan support in Congress and the White House. But the Congo, with ten to twenty times as many African dead over the same period is not called a “genocide” and passes almost unnoticed. Sudan sits atop lakes of oil. It has large supplies of uranium, and other minerals, significant water resources, and a strategic location near still more African oil and resources. The unasked question is whether the nation’s Republican and Democratic foreign policy elite are using claims of genocide, and appeals for “humanitarian intervention” to grease the way for the next oil and resource wars on the African continent.” (Bruce Dixon)
        http://www.blackagendareport.com/?q=content/ten-reasons-why-save-darfur-pr-scam-justify-next-us-oil-and-resource-wars-africa

      • marc b.
        marc b. on August 12, 2014, 2:16 pm

        LJ, part of the Hollywood myth, and a source of its liberal support, is that it has an interest in and is part of the ‘arts’. so we get all this nonsense about the funding of ‘independent’ and ‘art house’ projects, because those are the types of works that Hollywood really wants to produce, it’s just that us cretins have no interest in ‘art’. we’re too busy masturbating to gore. (see almodovar’s ‘matador’ for that scene, later stolen by lynch.) every Hollywood writer and producer has scripts for the next ‘Macbeth’ or ‘Death of a Salesman’ molding in their desk drawer, so they suggest, it’s just that nobody would pay to watch those productions. but Hollywood is really run by scores of grasping, money hungry, talentless assholes, and assholes produce shit, and shit is an acquired taste. very few people would have an inherent interest in sitting through ‘Transformers’, so they have to be trained for it, the nausea-inducing editing, the nonsense narrative, etc. a 1950s-era movie goer would go running from the theatre after about 15 minutes of shite like that. (see below recent studies on the importance of exposure versus creativity or personal tastes re: ‘hits’) if ‘artists’ are dispatched from Hollywood, all that would be left is one big toilet and the flushing sound each time a new hit is released. and we can’t have that.

        Research suggests that repeated exposure is a much more surefire way of getting the general public to like a song than writing one that suits their taste. Based on an fMRI study in 2011, we now know that the emotional centers of the brain — including the reward centers — are more active when people hear songs they’ve been played before. In fact, those brain areas are more active even than when people hear unfamiliar songs that are far better fits with their musical taste.

        This happens more often than you might think. After a couple dozen unintentional listens, many of us may find ourselves changing our initial opinions about a song — eventually admitting that, really, Katy Perry’s “Dark Horse” isn’t as awful as it sounds. PBS’ Idea Channel’s Mike Rugnetta explains, it’s akin to a musical “Stockholm syndrome,” a term used originally by criminologist Nils Bejerot to describe a phenomenon in which victims of kidnapping may begin to sympathize with their captors over time.

      • lysias
        lysias on August 12, 2014, 4:53 pm

        Athenian tragedies and comedies, Shakespeare’s dramas, Verdi’s operas were attended by (and loved by) common people in their respective times. There’s no reason why popular entertainment has to be bad art.

  5. Sycamores
    Sycamores on August 11, 2014, 2:01 pm

    Goldstone team consisted of four members the sequel has three.

    alternative bio.
    National University of Ireland, Galway biography for Prof William Schabas with a list of research publications

    http://www.nuigalway.ie/business-public-policy-law/school-of-law/staff/staff-listing/profwilliamaschabas/schabas.html

    • lysias
      lysias on August 11, 2014, 3:08 pm

      Post-Goldstone interview with Schabas here:

      Hence, I believe that pretending the prosecution of Sudan is not political is a mistake too. Of course it is political. Why are we going after the president of Sudan for Darfur and not the president of Israel for Gaza?
      Because of politics.

      V.T.: A report has been published by Professor Goldstone concerning the Gaza invasion and you have published some information on your blog about it too. What do you think about this report?

      W.S.: Well, I am very supportive of the report. I know all of the people who were on the commission and have great respect for them, particularly Judge Goldstone, who is a very honorable man of great integrity. And they did this investigation under very difficult conditions, in particular without any cooperation from the Israeli authorities and they have come up with a report that is not a judgment, but a finding that there is a likelihood serious crimes were committed by both sides in the conflict and that they should be dealt with by a justice system. I think that when we look at all the crimes committed in Gaza during the conflict at the end of 2008-2009 we find
      that they are probably not, on a Richter scale of atrocity, at the top. And there are many places in the world where worse crimes have been committed. Sri Lanka, for example, in March or April of 2009 was much more serious in terms of the atrocities and loss of life that was committed. So
      there is a tendency I believe for us to think that Gaza was the worst crime. I think that in terms of war crimes, I agree with the findings of the report which make sense to me. But probably, as I say, on the overall scale of things, these are not the worst atrocities that have been committed. I think
      the reason why many people in the world are so upset about the atrocities in Gaza is not because of the bombardment of facilities in Gaza in January and in December of the last year but because of our unhappiness about the general political situation there. It is because the people of Palestine are
      still being denied their right of self-determination. And so, we mix our dissatisfaction with the situation of the Palestinian people in Gaza and the West Bank where we have this terrible wall that has been built and the settlements which continue being built even if Obama has told Netanyahu to
      stop. And certainly all these are a violation of international law and absolutely unacceptable. So we mix the issues of self-determination with the very specific war crimes committed in December and January, which were obviously serious but are not on the same scale as the war crimes that are
      being committed in Afghanistan, or were committed in Sri Lanka, and so on.

      • Sycamores
        Sycamores on August 11, 2014, 6:39 pm

        thanks lysias,

        i was looking for the intellectum article.

        I think that when we look at all the crimes committed in Gaza during the conflict at the end of 2008-2009 we find that they are probably not, on a Richter scale of atrocity

        sound like something Hillary Clinton would say.

      • lysias
        lysias on August 11, 2014, 6:53 pm

        I very much doubt that Hillary would admit that Israel has committed war crimes.

  6. Taxi
    Taxi on August 11, 2014, 2:24 pm

    LOL! Now all the TMZ and Hello magazine readers will get an education on Gaza and the genocidal idf because Amal is on the panel.

    We can now safely say that Palestine has finally gone mainstream.

    Isreal’s Goebbels Syndicate must be real p*ssed at that.

  7. American
    American on August 11, 2014, 2:36 pm

    Well Schabas isnt going to go any where near the genocide charge re Gaza so I think I-defenders are just hyping his appointment as anti Israel in advance just so they can deny more of whatever is found. He thinks Isr-Gaza war crimes dont compare to those in Afghanistan—I assume he is referring to the US actions there.
    If you download the intellectum interview with him you can see basically what his position on Isr-Gaza is probably going to be…..something like 6 of one, half dozen of another opinion.

    http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1948998

    V.T.: A report has been published by Professor Goldstone concerning the Gaza
    invasion and you have published some information on your blog about it too.
    What do you think about this report?
    intellectum
    INTERDISCIPLINARY JOURNAL
                                      www.intellectum.org
             ( 07) 2010 Intellectum, pp. 46‐60
    W.S.: Well, I am very supportive of the report. I know all of the people who were on
    the commission and have great respect for them, particularly Judge Goldstone, who is a very honorable man of great integrity. And they did this investigation under very difficult conditions, in particular without any cooperation from the Israeli authorities and they have come up with a report that is not a judgment, but a finding that there is a likelihood serious crimes were committed by both sides in the conflict and that they should be dealt with by a justice system. I think that when we look at all the crimes committed in Gaza during the conflict at the end of 2008-2009 we find that they are probably not, on a Richter scale of atrocity, at the top. And there are many places in the world where worse crimes have been committed. Sri Lanka, for example, in March or April of 2009 was much more serious in terms of the atrocities and loss of life that was committed. So there is a tendency I believe for us to think that Gaza was the worst crime. I think that in terms of war crimes, I agree with the findings of the report which make sense to me.
    But probably, as I say on the overall scale of things, these are not the worst atrocities that have been committed. I think the reason why many people in the world are so upset about the atrocities in Gaza is not because of the bombardment of facilities in Gaza in January and in December of the last year but because of our unhappiness about the general political situation there. It is because the people of Palestine are still being denied their right of self- determination. And so, we mix our dissatisfaction with the situation of the Palestinian people in Gaza and the West Bank where we have this terrible wall that has been built and the settlements which continue being built even if Obama has told Netanyahu to stop. And certainly all these are a violation of international law and absolutely unacceptable. So we mix the issues of self-determination with the very specific war crimes committed in December and January, which were obviously serious but are not on the same scale as the war crimes that are being committed in Afghanistan, or were committed in Sri Lanka, and so on.”

    Schabas discussion on genocide
    http://www.ushmm.org/confront-genocide/speakers-and-events/all-speakers-and-events/genocide-in-international-law-a-discussion-with-william-schabas

  8. Kay24
    Kay24 on August 11, 2014, 2:38 pm

    An interesting article by James Zogby, referring to the Goldstone report and how it played a part in Israel getting away with slaughtering civilians, suggesting perhaps that it may do so again this time.

    “After the 2008-2009 Gaza war, Israel was able to escape scot-free. Using the same clean-up tools of misdirection and fabrication, they were able to keep the U.S. solidly in their corner. When that failed, they resorted to intimidation to silence critics — even pummeling the venerable Justice Goldstone into submission. Believing they can get away with the same game plan, Israel sees no reason to change course. As a result, Hamas also sees no point in changing its behavior, and so the sad saga will continue until there is international intervention and equal doses of justice and accountability for the misdeeds committed by all parties”.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/james-zogby/the-gaza-saga-continues_b_5664229.html

    • Bandolero
      Bandolero on August 11, 2014, 4:48 pm

      Kay24

      I can’t see that James Zogby claims that the Goldstone report played a part in Israel getting away with slaughtering civilians. I understand the article as describung the propaganda efforts made by Israel, and supported by NYT and WaPo, to neutralize the Goldstine report, and further lining out that, when this failed, Israel “resorted to intimidation to silence critics — even pummeling the venerable Justice Goldstone into submission.”

      • Kay24
        Kay24 on August 11, 2014, 5:05 pm

        Sorry wrong choice of words, I meant to say that he is implying that just like the previous times, and just like the way Goldstone was made to “adjust” his report, this time too, there is a high chance the same situation will occur, and Israel will get away with it’s war crimes and brutality once more. I get the impression that he mentions Hamas too knows this and will not change their behavior. We should expect the usual bullying tactics once again by Israel. It has already got the US media and spineless politicians like Hillary Clinton to make them look the victims.

      • Daniel Rich
        Daniel Rich on August 12, 2014, 7:21 pm

        @ Bandolero,

        Q: I understand the article as describung the propaganda efforts made by Israel, and supported by NYT and WaPo, to neutralize the Goldstine report, and further lining out that, when this failed, Israel “resorted to intimidation to silence critics — even pummeling the venerable Justice Goldstone into submission.”

        R: Do you think this is an acceptable ‘way of being?’ Why doesn’t anyone [in power] object to this lopsided consigliere’s attitude? Why has it become this ‘normal’ to be spoken and written about, without anything actually changing for real?

  9. Anonymous on August 11, 2014, 2:53 pm

    God, this is depressing. When the hell is Amal expected to go and “investigate”? She’s spent the best part of this year trotting around the globe with Clooney and now she’s getting married next month. Then there’ll be the honeymoon. She loses credibility by the day! (Not to mention the fact that her husband-to-be is an Obama arse-kisser.)

    What a freakin’ joke.

    • bilal a
      bilal a on August 11, 2014, 6:37 pm

      Its Hollywood (Cooney dated Kelly Preston, married to Travolta.), from The Tablet, ‘A new read on Jewish life’ :

      “Travolta explained how he learned to Stop Worrying and Love Transactional Same-Sex Liaisons: By accepting that Hollywood is controlled by “homosexual Jewish men” who expect sexual favors in return for career-related ones.”
      http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-arts-and-culture/99378/greased-frightening

      • Anonymous on August 11, 2014, 9:58 pm

        What does this have to do with the price of eggs, other than propagating baseless anti-semitic tropes?

      • Daniel Rich
        Daniel Rich on August 12, 2014, 7:29 pm

        @ ActivistGal,

        Q: … anti-semitic tropes…

        R: Let me correct that for you; …anti-semitic [Arabs/Muslims/Palestinians excluded] tropes…

  10. globalconsciousness
    globalconsciousness on August 11, 2014, 3:58 pm

    As a South African by birth may I just say there is nothing ‘venerable’ about goldstone.
    He is an opportunist and knows how to play the game to his advantage.
    Yes, the Jewish Board of Deputies (a despicable bunch) did strong arm him and there
    was family pressure but as a Zionist he has always put the interests of Israel first and consistently evaded the issue of Palestinian rights- he was a terrible choice for that inquiry and I blame other connected South Africans at the UN for putting his name forward based on his heading a commission of Inquiry in South in the 1980s.
    John Dugard another South African was a special rapporteur for the UN to Palestine and he really has the concern of Palestinians at heart – I have met both (goldstone on several occasions) and Dugard comes across as infinitely a better human being on these issues.

  11. HarryLaw
    HarryLaw on August 11, 2014, 6:14 pm

    It was wrongly reported that the Palestinians had withdrawn a complaint to the ICC . Palestinian Justice Minister Saleem al-Saqqa told the Palestinian newspaper Al-Resalah that he was strongly opposed to withdrawing the complaint filed by the Palestinian Authority before the International Criminal Court.
    Pointing out that he is the only person authorized to withdraw the complaint, he made it clear that he had not taken such a step and insisted: “I will not withdraw.”
    Voltaire Network had reported that the president of the Palestinian Authority, Mahmoud Abbas, had given orders for the complaint to be pulled back.
    We thought, wrongly, that his order had gone through. http://www.voltairenet.org/article185038.html

  12. Anonymous on August 11, 2014, 6:17 pm

    Guys, apparently Amal Alamuddin WON’T be on the team. She turned down the offer this morning, according to The Guardian and e-online (I know, I know…). :-/

  13. Taxi
    Taxi on August 11, 2014, 11:18 pm

    Amal Alamuddin ‘Horrified,’ but Unable to Serve on Gaza Rights U.N. Probe:

    “There are various reports published today stating that I have been appointed as one of three members of the UN Commission of Inquiry for Gaza,” the British barrister said in a written statement Monday. “I am horrified by the situation in the occupied Gaza Strip, particularly the civilian casualties that have been caused, and strongly believe that there should be an independent investigation and accountability for crimes that have been committed.”

    Alamuddin, who specializes in international law, human rights, extradition, and criminal law, concluded: “I was contacted by the UN about this for the first time this morning. I am honoured to have received the offer, but given existing commitments — including eight ongoing cases — unfortunately could not accept this role. I wish my colleagues who will serve on the commission courage and strength in their endeavors.”

    https://celebrity.yahoo.com/blogs/celeb-news/amal-alamuddin–horrified—but-unable-to-serve-on-gaza-rights-u-n–probe-211712042.html

    • American
      American on August 12, 2014, 10:20 am

      Cop out??

      • Anonymous on August 12, 2014, 12:18 pm

        Definitely. Wonder if Clooney had something to do with that decision. The announcement that she had turned the offer down was made via his PR and NOT through her Chambers, which is bizarre.

  14. jon s
    jon s on August 12, 2014, 1:21 am

    Israel made a mistake, at the time, by not cooperating with the Goldstone commission.
    After the report was published the Israeli side had to go into damage-control mode and answer the charges anyway, so why not cooperate at the outset.
    This time around I hope the lesson was learned. The Israeli side should say “bring it on, it’s the Hamas who should be worried”.

    • Shingo
      Shingo on August 12, 2014, 2:49 am

      The Israeli side should say “bring it on, it’s the Hamas who should be worried”.

      There is no limit to your delusion. Bibbi doesn’t share your optimism.

      Netenyahu is already demanding the Obama shield him from war crimes charges. On the other hand, Hamas have given their endorsement to refer all war crimes to the ICC.

      It’s clear who is worried.

      And seeing as Israel murdered 1,500 civilians (not to mention bombing UN facilities) vs only 2 civilians kills by Hamas, anyone with a brain can conclude who the criminal state is.

      That doesn’t ‘to even take into account the war crime of aggression, which Israel and only Israel is guilty of.

      • jon s
        jon s on August 12, 2014, 5:37 am

        The aggression is from Hamas and the blood is on Hamas’ hands.

        The question is whether an inquiry will be fair and objective. If so- Hamas will be condemned.

      • Shingo
        Shingo on August 12, 2014, 9:52 am

        The aggression is from Hamas and the blood is on Hamas’ hands.

        No the aggression is from ISrael and always has been and the blood is on Israel’’s hands. Israel started this latest offense, not Hamas. This all began with Netanyhau exploiting the deaths fo the 3 boys, withholding the fact they were already dead and that the suspects were not Hamas from the Israeli public, lying about Hamas’s involvement and then using that false allegation as an excuse to bomb Gaza.

        You really do have to have entered a new level of insanity not to see that Jon.

        The question is whether an inquiry will be fair and objective. If so- Hamas will be condemned.

        They might well be, but the proportion of Israeli ear crimes are orders of magnitude greater.

        The question is whether an inquiry will be fair and objective. If so- Hamas will be condemned.

      • Mooser
        Mooser on August 12, 2014, 10:33 am

        “The question is whether an inquiry will be fair and objective. If so- Hamas will be condemned.”

        There’s nothing like a preconceived outcome to prove a process is fair and objective. Holy God are you dumb.

      • Shingo
        Shingo on August 12, 2014, 7:44 pm

        Holy God are you dumb

        It’s worse than dumb Mooser. It’s as though JonS is in some state of hypnotic dementia where he simply keeps repeating the same pre-programmed mantra while remaining utterly impervious to input or information.

        Maybe he’s suffering PTSD from all those fire crackers.

      • Chu
        Chu on August 12, 2014, 11:00 am

        bombing Gazan hospitals, but Hamas is the aggressor?
        please Jon… get real…Israel is terrorizing a ghetto with defenseless
        people, all because of 3 Israeli youth, and/or some ineffective rockets.
        This narrative that It’s all Hamas doesn’t hold water anymore. The entire
        world sees it’s false, except Zionists and their politicians.

        “According to the Gaza Ministry of Health, as of July 29th, there have been 34 attacks against Gazan medical facilities since this latest Israeli military assault began 25 days ago.”
        http://mondoweiss.net/2014/08/military-announce-hospital.html

  15. jon s
    jon s on August 12, 2014, 10:12 am

    Shingo,
    The suspects in the case of the three murdered teenagers are Hamas operatives.

    Gaza was bombed in response to Hamas rocket fire, raining down on our civilian population.

    As to a future objective inquiry, in this summer’s conflict, lessons were learned from previous “rounds” such as “Cast lead,” and the subsequent inquiries.
    As far as I know, this time everything has been documented meticulously: recorded, photographed, videotaped. The IDF forces even had real-time legal advice on targeting decisions.

    So here’s an exclusive preview of a session from the future:
    Investigator: Is it true that on July such-and-such you targeted and destroyed Mosque so-and-so?
    IDF spokesperson: Absolutely. Here’s a file of evidence that proves that Mosque so-and-so was being used as a rocket depot.
    (A few minutes later)
    Investigator: OK, next case…

    • Justpassingby
      Justpassingby on August 12, 2014, 10:35 am

      jon s

      1 “The suspects in the case of the three murdered teenagers are Hamas operatives.”

      2 “Gaza was bombed in response to Hamas rocket fire, raining down on our civilian population.”

      1. No proof that Hamas had anything to do with it
      2. Really? Who invaded West bank and killed 5 people amongst other things? Who then attacked Gaza? Stop lying atleast for/to yourself, no one here believes you.

    • Chu
      Chu on August 12, 2014, 11:05 am

      “As far as I know, this time everything has been documented meticulously: recorded, photographed, videotaped. The IDF forces even had real-time legal advice on targeting decisions.”

      Weasel words – you don’t know shit JonS.

      Pretend for one second that those people in Gaza are Jews, and the Israelis are the the Europeans. You would be crying like a little girl and begging for world support. The achilles heel of Zionism is the lack of sympathy for anyone except themselves. It’s the tell-tale sign.

    • Shingo
      Shingo on August 12, 2014, 7:42 pm

      The suspects in the case of the three murdered teenagers are Hamas operatives.

      No they are not. Israeli police and Yuval Diskin from Shin Bet have debunked this false allegation. What’s more is that Netenyahu knew who the three suspects were within 24 hours, yet used the following 2 weeks to lay siege to the West Bank and arrest 500 Palestinians, 200 of which are still in prison. Not to mention demolishing dozens fo homes and killing a further 12 Palestinians.

      All fo this was sadism on Netenyahu’s part for political gain.

      Gaza was bombed in response to Hamas rocket fire, raining down on our civilian population.

      Absolute rubbish, and debunked by Israeli officials.
      Hamas fires rockets for first time since 2012, Israeli officials say
      “The security sources, who spoke on condition of anonymity, assessed that Hamas had probably launched the barrage in revenge for an Israeli airstrike several hours earlier which killed one person and injured three more.”
      http://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-fired-rockets-for-first-time-since-2012-israeli-officials-say/

      So it is beyond dispute that the first rockets from Hamas came AFTER Israel bombed Gaza on June 30 so it is simply false that Israel’s attacks were in response to rocket attacks from Hamas.

      What’s more is that Netanyahu even admitted his attack was not to stop rockets but to punsh Hamas.

      Why do you remain so belligerent in your refusal to accept these facts? Has some PTSD switch gone off in your brain where you simply cannot bring yourself to admit you were lied to?

      As to a future objective inquiry, in this summer’s conflict, lessons were learned from previous “rounds” such as “Cast lead,” and the subsequent inquiries.

      No they weren’t. Israel did exactly the same shit this this tims as they did last time. In fact, far from being prepared or learning anything, Netanyahu has simply run to Obama and demanded he and other ISraeli leaders be given diplomatic protection at the UN.

      The IDF forces even had real-time legal advice on targeting decisions.

      Real-time legal advice that it turns out was very bad advice and has left them in seriously deep shit.

      BTW. The Nazis were also meticulous record keepers and how did that work out for them?

      IDF spokesperson: Absolutely. Here’s a file of evidence that proves that Mosque so-and-so was being used as a rocket depot.

      Except that there is no such evidence and ample evidence to the contrary. That is why Israeli attack dogs are already trying to discredit this panel, because they know they committed war crimes.

      So dream on. Israel is toast.

  16. jon s
    jon s on August 12, 2014, 1:15 pm

    Chu,
    “According to the Gaza Ministry of Health, as of July 29th, there have been 34 attacks against Gazan medical facilities since this latest Israeli military assault began 25 days ago.”

    Are those the medical facilities the Hamas terrorists use – or, rather: abuse- to launch rockets from ? or as their operational hq?
    When I wrote about that nearly a month ago , my comment was greeted by derision here on MW. Now it’s common knowledge.

    • justicewillprevail
      justicewillprevail on August 12, 2014, 1:45 pm

      If it’s common knowledge you will be able to provide us proof, which doesn’t come from israeli funded organisations. israel has redefined ‘firing from a hospital’ to mean anywhere within the area, which does not of course justify the indiscriminate use of crude artillery which has no precision in areas where israel knows full well that there are hospitals. Of course, you would also have to believe israel’s primary objective was to fire at a mobile rocket launcher and not simply punish Palestinians for resisting by deliberately destroying their infrastructure – as per their use of the Dahiya doctrine. perfected in Lebanon, and used in Cast lead and the current Protective Annihilation.

    • Shingo
      Shingo on August 12, 2014, 7:50 pm

      Are those the medical facilities the Hamas terrorists use – or, rather: abuse- to launch rockets from ? or as their operational hq?

      There was no operational hq Jon. All the Israeli idd was produce an illustration, which the world laughed at. There was is ZERO evidence Hamas used any medical facilities.

      NONE.

      When I wrote about that nearly a month ago , my comment was greeted by derision here on MW. Now it’s common knowledge.

      Are you for real? It’s not even taken seriously anymore. Even the Israeli government has given up pushing that bovine excrement and are now retreating saying that the incidents of Israeli bombing those facilities is under Israeli internal investigation – which is code for stalling and stonewalling and hoping the world outside forgets about it.

      Apparently you didn’t get the memo. My God, you really do need to see a shrink!

    • Chu
      Chu on August 13, 2014, 9:20 am

      Wow, Jon. JWP and Shingo are correct- No one has seen any evidence yet of Hamas command station in the basement of the hospitals, merely a series of crude info-graphics that any college graphic student could produce in Israel and peddle to the Zionists masses. Surely this proof surface over the next months, even after the investigations into war crimes.

      But this seems to be one of those justifiable excuses to bomb civilians, similar to the bogus claim that ‘Iraqi soldiers had taken scores of babies out of incubators in Kuwait City and left them to die’. It’s a talking point that gets people upset, and an excuse to kill more civilians (who are already in the hospital -really abhorrent).

      I recall you used to have a moderate viewpoint years ago, but you seem to fit into the camp that offers LZ happy-talk, but when things get tough you get Likud. Why is this such a problem, with so many Pro-Israel people? Can’t you have one standard and stick to it?

      • Shingo
        Shingo on August 13, 2014, 10:14 am

        I recall you used to have a moderate viewpoint years ago, but you seem to fit into the camp that offers LZ happy-talk, but when things get tough you get Likud. Why is this such a problem, with so many Pro-Israel people? Can’t you have one standard and stick to it?

        It’s a fascinating case study Chu. How inside all seemingly moderate and liberal Zionists, there is a right wing Zionist waiting to come out. Even long time lefties like Amos Oz have fallen victim to this and done as Peter Beinart predicted they would when faced with a choice between their progressive values and Zionism – that tribalism would win out in the end.

      • Chu
        Chu on August 13, 2014, 10:17 am

        And we’ve seen this for years. It’s like a psychological issue that needs to be addressed; or in the least exposed for complete lack of integrity. McBride makes this point often about LZ’s jumping into the Likud camp when things get rough for Israel and their verbal defenses get shoddy. He’s correct. It’s an all too common pattern that happens with so many pro Israelites.

  17. jon s
    jon s on August 13, 2014, 1:17 am

    Shingo, I tried to post a comment with two such examples of proof, but it was shot down by “moderation”. I feel like I’m in a barroom fight with multiple adversaries- and with one hand tied behind my back. But you can do it yourself: search youtube for “hamas fires from hospital”.

    • Chu
      Chu on August 13, 2014, 9:20 am

      one hand? I can’t imagine what their not letting you post.

      Here’s the info-graphics for your reference again. Juan Cole: The Israeli army has tried to justify striking civilian areas
      http://www.juancole.com/2014/07/shielding-striking-civilian.html

      Jon, would you please show me more evidence of Hamas central command station below a hospital? Surely the Israel Army must have taken one photo of the underground network below the operating tables of Gazan
      Hospitals? I have been looking over the past weeks, but my searches have come up with no imagery that supports this. Maybe you have some better sources though.

      • Shingo
        Shingo on August 13, 2014, 10:17 am

        Don’t you love how that graphic looks so similar to this one from a decade ago or Bin Laden’s so called underground fortress?

        http://vostokproject.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/6.jpg

      • Chu
        Chu on August 13, 2014, 10:26 am

        I remember that one – They had to go big for Americans with that giant mountain fortress. Did we ever find that inverted subterranean pyramid? Jon S probably knows where it is.

    • Shingo
      Shingo on August 13, 2014, 9:32 am

      Shingo, I tried to post a comment with two such examples of proof, but it was shot down by “moderation”.

      You have no proof Jon. See my comment here debunking your pathetic argument.
      http://mondoweiss.net/2014/08/goldstone-alamuddin-clooneys.html/comment-page-1#comment-701055

      I feel like I’m in a barroom fight with multiple adversaries

      I feel like I am debating an outpatient from a psychiatric institution. Hamas did not fire from any hospital. The reporters on the ground only stated that rockets were fired in the VICINITY of the hospital. Reports estimated it was 50 meters from the hospital, which is half a city block.

      You even originally claimed that Hamas was using the hospital as operational HQ or to store weapons, which is simply rubbish. There is not a shred of evidence to support either of these claims.

      So the only common knowledge is that you have nothing.

      • Hostage
        Hostage on August 13, 2014, 10:55 am

        So the only common knowledge is that you have nothing.

        I think its common knowledge that, when the Zionists want to score a propaganda or tactical victory badly enough, they will not hesitate to support and employ Palestinian opposition groups to do their dirty work or use IDF mista’arvim to conduct black flag operations, while pretending to be local Arabs. After all, it was Israel that helped establish Hamas for its use as a foil against the aims of the PLO.

  18. jon s
    jon s on August 13, 2014, 1:31 am

    I was “challenged” to provide evidence, from non-Israeli sources , that Hamas abuses hospitals . I did so, with segments from Finnish tv and France 24 available on Youtube.
    Moderation hasn’t passed my comment.

    This is from Mondoweiss:
    “One of the goals of this site is to promote critical discussion and debate on US foreign policy and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. We want Mondoweiss to be a place that everyone feels comfortable visiting, to read and comment, regardless of political perspective. People might not always like what we post, but everyone should feel invited and encouraged to join the discussion, share their opinions, and engage in debate.”
    How is the censorship I’m encountering consistent with those goals?

    • Shingo
      Shingo on August 13, 2014, 9:28 am

      I did so, with segments from Finnish tv and France 24 available on Youtube.

      We’ve all seen that BS JonS. The claim by those networks was that Hamas fired a rocket within the vicinity of the hospital building, and estimate 50 meters away. That doesn’t prove in any way, shape of form that Hamas used the hospital as cover or that it stored weapons inside it.

      And furthermore, the fact that the rocket was fired 50-100 meters away from a hospital should disqualify the hospital as a target given the ability of Israel’s lazer guided weapons to strike a target with an accuracy pf a few meters.
      Give up JonS. You have nothing….except symptoms of a mental breakdown.

    • Chu
      Chu on August 13, 2014, 10:11 am

      Jon, linked below are better informative graphics that are ‘cited’.
      Not military window dressing info-graphics.
      http://visualizingpalestine.org/infographic/Palestinian-Israeli-Peace-Talks-Settlements-Oslo

      Please provide your evidence of HAMAS in Hospitals. I really would like to make an informed decision, but need you data to understand the entire equation.

    • Hostage
      Hostage on August 13, 2014, 10:26 am

      I was “challenged” to provide evidence, from non-Israeli sources , that Hamas abuses hospitals . I did so, with segments from Finnish tv and France 24 available on Youtube.

      @ Jon S, the fact is that neither of the well known videos actually showed the perpetrators or positively identified them as members of Hamas, much less established that anyone was targeting Israel. The Goldstone report noted that mortars and rockets had been used in skirmishes with IDF forces deployed in and around Gaza. The IDF has routinely employed its “human shield” propaganda talking point, but it has never produced a shred of evidence to suggest that Palestinian armed groups either directed civilians to areas where attacks were being launched or that they forced civilians to remain within the vicinity of the attacks.

      The videos also failed to show that the hospitals themselves had been converted for military use or had been employed to commit any acts harmful to the enemy. If Israel issued a warning and attacked or destroyed a civilian hospital on the basis of these videos, then the individuals responsible committed a war crime. Article 19 of the Fourth Geneva Convention does not allow the immunity bestowed on civilian hospitals to be taken away because acts harmful to the enemy are committed “nearby”. FYI, the UN Secretary General has pointed out the same thing in the case of IDF attacks on the UN schools that were used as shelters and has demanded that the Israelis responsible be brought to justice.

      So your videos have no usefulness as “evidence” in that connection. The bottom line is that, even when we consider the best Israeli legal arguments, nothing offered as evidence would justify turning a hospital into a military objective or support a claim that the patients and hospital staff were being used as human shields.

      See the articles and discussions @ Guest Post: Israel’s Use of Law and Warnings in Gaza http://opiniojuris.org/2014/07/30/guest-post-israels-use-law-warnings-gaza/ and Guest Post: The Use of Human Shields and International Criminal Law http://opiniojuris.org/2014/08/01/guest-post-use-human-shields-international-criminal-law/

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