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Dennis Ross worked for President Obama on Middle East policy (and for a number of other presidents). He was in the administration because he is beloved by Israel supporters. Now Ross is co-chair of the board of the Jewish People Policy Institute, a Zionist organization based in Jerusalem and founded by the Jewish Agency.

The Times of Israel reports that JPPI has “composed a plan to facilitate immigration” of a quarter of all French Jews to Israel in the next five years.

The plan by the Jewish Agency-affiliated think tank would prepare for up to 120,000 French Jews to arrive in Israel during the coming four years. The plan cited a rise in jihadist terror attacks and a difficult economy in Europe as causes of increased immigration.

But when Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu called on French Jews to leave France earlier this month, there was anger from the Jewish leadership throughout Europe. French Jews at a synagogue Netanyahu visited in Paris broke into La Marseillaise after he spoke, in a declaration of their patriotism and a rebuke to the idea of leaving France. Yes, many French Jews worry about anti-Semitism, but the leadership doesn’t think leaving is the answer– this group of Orthodox rabbis, for instance.

The call to leave France from Dennis Ross’s thinktank gets at a deeper philosophical disagreement between hard-core Israel supporters and western liberals. Ross’s thinktank appears to be in opposition to the Obama administration on the issue of Jewish integration and assimilation into American society.

JPPI has long opposed Jewish assimilation and intermarriage. This report last year, whose foreword is written by Ross (and former Carter official Stuart Eizenstat), repeatedly refers to assimilation as something that hurts the Jewish community. It calls for “the kind of authentic indigenous vision of Jewish life needed to build recognizable communities and to cultivate levels of Jewish identity necessary to stem assimilation and sustain Aliyah [immigration to Israel].” Ross calls for “full-time Jewish Day School education” for young Jews — indicating that this will stop them from marrying non-Jews.

But at President Obama’s press conference with British PM David Cameron ten days ago, Obama explicitly called for “assimilation” of minority communities:

Our biggest advantage, Major [Garrett], is that our Muslim populations, they feel themselves to be Americans.  And there is this incredible process of immigration and assimilation that is part of our tradition that is probably our greatest strength. Now, it doesn’t mean that we aren’t subject to the kinds of tragedies that we saw at the Boston Marathon.  But that, I think, has been helpful.

Cameron echoed Obama, and used the word integration:

I very much agree with what Barack says about the importance of building strong and integrated societies.  I made a speech about this at Munich a couple of years ago, saying that it had been a mistake in the past when some countries had treated different groups and different religious groups as sort of separate blocks rather than trying to build a strong, common home together.  That is what we should be doing, and that is what our policy is directed to.

And, of course, you need to have — as I believe we are — a multiracial, multiethnic society of huge opportunity where in one generation or two generations you can come to our country and you can be in the Cabinet; you can serve at the highest level in the armed forces; you can sit on the bench as a judge.  I’ve got in my Cabinet someone just like that, who in two generations his family has gone from arriving in Britain to sitting — that’s vitally important, as is combatting unemployment, combatting poverty.

This would seem to be the way now in western societies, seeking to create diverse, multicultural leaderships.

Opposition to assimilation issue is a central premise of Zionism. Assimilation doesn’t work, they say: Jews will never be safe in western societies. In “The Existential Necessity of Zionism After Paris,” Commentary says that French Jews need Israel because their survival in Europe is in question. Israel saved millions before, it is needed to do so again now that Muslims are all over Europe, Commentary indicates in this piece.

France’s Jews are outnumbered by its Muslims 10 to 1…

Muslim attacks on French Jews increased more significantly still in the summer of 2014, during and after Israel’s war with Hamas in Gaza…

Jews should have the right to choose to stay in France or anywhere else on the planet Earth they wish to live, from the center of Hebron to the top of Mount Everest. But the issue is not right but reality. Jews in France—and, given certain trends, elsewhere in Europe, from Great Britain to Scandinavia—have to consider their literal survival…

[Israel’s] existence before the Holocaust would have saved millions. Its existence after the Holocaust saved and created millions. Seventy years after the Holocaust, Jews in Europe are in need of it again.

 

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  1. Kay24
    Kay24
    January 26, 2015, 11:39 am

    During LBJ’s time and Israel’s attack on the USS Liberty, it was revealed that many in the WH were pro Israeli zionists, who spied on LBJ, and reported everything that happened in the WH, back to Tel Aviv, and I am disappointed that Obama had, and most probably still does have, Israeli agents, whose first loyalty is to Israel, and not the President and country, surround him in the WH. Our nation and the highest offices in this country seems to be infested with these traitors, whose first love and devotion, is not to the US, but to an alien apartheid nation.

    • Whizdom
      Whizdom
      January 26, 2015, 11:57 am

      Dennis Ross got his start working for Wolfowitz. There is a reason he is a “former advisor”.

      • Kathleen
        Kathleen
        January 29, 2015, 10:01 pm

        Ross has been in the workings for a very long time. Making sure in many ways a real deal was never going to happen giving Israel more time to confiscate more land. Ross clearly showing that he is a racist working for one of the first apartheid arms of the apartheid state of Israel a off shoot of the racist Jewish Agency. Ross has never ever been a fair player

  2. Laurent Weppe
    Laurent Weppe
    January 26, 2015, 12:28 pm

    France’s Jews are outnumbered by its Muslims 10 to 1…

    While Middle East Jews are outnumbered by Muslims 50 to 1: great calculus here.

    ***

    But the issue is not right but reality. Jews in France—and, given certain trends, elsewhere in Europe, from Great Britain to Scandinavia—have to consider their literal survival…

    Speaking of survival and realistic steps to ensure it, how many upper-class Israeli having concluded that Israel’s self-inflicted collapse is a foregone conclusion and that they therefore need a well organized exit strategy are getting european passports these days?

    • pabelmont
      pabelmont
      January 26, 2015, 1:22 pm

      “Middle East Jews are outnumbered by Muslims 50 to 1”. so, on Netanyahu’s argument (and Dennis Ross’s), 1/4 of Israeli Jews should emigrate. Not to Israel, of course. Maybe to France? Build up the numbers there? Maybe Germany, where opportunity abounds, Greece notwithstanding? Or ever-friendly USA — is the USA accepting Jews now (as we didn’t in 1940s)?

      • Walid
        Walid
        January 26, 2015, 2:34 pm

        “(as we didn’t in 1940s)?”

        Pabelmont, I never found out why. Was it because America didn’t want to take in Jews or was it because it did not want to pay the ransom demanded by Hitler. I read something or other about fear of Jews taking over American jobs and things like that but I have a feeling there was more to this refusal.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        January 26, 2015, 3:36 pm

        Just as a guess, Walid, I would venture that the US immigration policy during the WW2 years was probably made pretty restrictive by military interest. It may have been except for visas, pretty much shut down during that time.

      • Walid
        Walid
        January 26, 2015, 3:49 pm

        Why did the US go through the excercise of calling a conference of countries to save the Jews when none had any intention of taking in any of them? It was a wicked chapter in American history that more or less signaled that nobody cared what the Germans would do.

      • Keith
        Keith
        January 26, 2015, 5:43 pm

        PABELMONT- “…is the USA accepting Jews now (as we didn’t in 1940s)?”

        Mondoweiss’ very own Tree has repeatedly commented on this. I take the liberty of copying and pasting one of her previous comments on this subject along with the link.

        TREE COMMENT: “This gets repeated endlessly but it is totally wrong. The US never restricted immigration solely on the basis of religion. In the 1920’s, well before Hitler came to power, and in fact while he was serving time in prison, the US passed laws restricting immigration based on country of origin, in an attempt to maintain the numerical prevalence of Western and Northern European stock over newer Southern and Eastern Europeans, and Asians. German immigration, although limited by quotas, was not banned, and in fact from the 1930’s to early 1940’s its estimated that 140,000 German Jews immigrated to the US, and the total German Jewish immigration to other countries was on the order of 450,000 or 70% of the total German Jewish population of 600,000.

        Jews were not restricted as Jews from immigrating to the US and they were the overwhelming majority of the immigrants arriving in the US from Germany during this time. Overall, from 1931-39, over 20% of all US immigrants were Jews, which was the highest Jewish percentage of any decade in US history. In 1939 alone, over 50% of ALL US immigrants were Jews.

        During this same period, approximately 40,000 to 50,000 German Jews arrived in Palestine. This was only 10% of the total German Jewish immigration. Not only that, but the Zionists in Palestine, who were in charge of determining who exactly was allowed in to Palestine under British quotas had a selection process that put greater weight on whether a particular Jew was a Zionist, in good health and capable of materially aiding the Zionist cause and economy over the need or vulnerability of that particular Jew. Thus, sometimes a Jew from the US or the Americas were given preference over a German or Eastern European Jew, and young adults were given preference over the elderly or young children.

        It should also be noted that during the time of the US immigration quotas, Ukrainians, who were dying in the millions from the forced starvation of the Holodomor, were almost completely cut off from any immigration to the US. Poles, who were as a nation suffering from the Soviet Union’s Great Terror were also nearly completely cut off from US immigration, as were other Eastern and Southern Europeans. The majority of the Europeans who were victimized by the massive curtailment of US immigration opportunities that occurred in the 1920’s and onward were religiously Catholic or Eastern Orthodox.

        It should also be noted that during this time any immigration to the US from Asian countries was COMPLETELY prohibited, and those Asians who had immigrated earlier were prohibited from becoming naturalized US citizens.

        I’m sick and tired of the lie that Jews were singled out for prohibition, and the lie that others were not as negatively impacted by the country restrictions as Eastern European Jews. The US restrictions doomed Ukrainian kulaks, Polish nationalists and others well before they doomed Eastern European Jews.” (Tree)
        http://mondoweiss.net/2013/09/latest-generous-offer-leaked-israel-wants-to-control-jordan-river-and-40-of-west-bank-while-palestinians-get-temporary-borders#comment-591577

      • tree
        tree
        January 26, 2015, 7:14 pm

        Or ever-friendly USA — is the USA accepting Jews now (as we didn’t in 1940s)?

        I really wish that this misinformation would stop being spread around.
        The US never barred foreign Jews from entering the country on the basis of their religion.

        It did erect quotas in the 1920’s which severely limited immigration from Southern and Eastern European countries, enacted during a post WWI era of WASP nativism and anti-communist hysteria. It was just as much of a blow to Catholic immigrants as it was to Jewish ones in the 1920’s. German immigration was limited as well, but not as much as Southern and Eastern European immigration. Asian immigrants were barred completely and earlier Chinese immigrants to the US were barred from ever obtaining US citizenship. Its totally Judeocentric to describe the US immigration policy at the time as particularly biased against Jews. It wasn’t.

        And as I have mentioned before, despite the quotas and restrictions, here and elsewhere during the Great Depression, between 1933 and 1940 432,000 German Jews, nearly two thirds of the Jews in Greater Germany (Germany and Austria with over 700,000 Jews) were able to immigrate to other countries in Europe, North and South America, Africa and Asia. It should be noted that up until late 1939, the only Jews who were believed to be in danger were the ones in Nazi Germany. Few if any thought that Nazi Germany would soon control much of Europe outside of its own borders.

        The US alone took in at least 126,000 German Jews during this time. Some 90,000 were admitted from 1934-1939, with nearly half of those coming in 1939 (with numbers in excess of the US quota for German immigrants) and with an additional 36,000 in 1940. In fiscal year 1939, Jewish immigration to the US totaled 44,000 out of a total of ALL US immigrants from any country or religion, of 83,000. In other words, more than 1 out of every two immigrants to the US in 1939 were Jewish. In fiscal year 1940, US allowed in a sum total of 71,000 immigrants, and 36,000 of them were Jews.

        Data found here:

        http://www.ajcarchives.org/AJC_DATA/Files/1940_1941_8_Statistics.pdf

        http://www.ajcarchives.org/AJC_DATA/Files/1941_1942_9_Statistics.pdf

        Please, this idea that the US didn’t allow in Jews is false. The US certainly could have done more, but it didn’t do “nothing”, and it did more for Jewish refugees prior to and during WWII than it did for any other of the millions of refugees of the time. Jews were not the only ones suffering during this time.

      • Walid
        Walid
        January 26, 2015, 8:06 pm

        Tree, one of the issues here is not Jews in general but Jews from Hitler’s Germany and the 1938 FDR conference that united 32 nations at Evian to discuss swapping Jews for the cash that Hitler wanted. The other issue was the Zionist collusion that permitted German Jewish emigration only to Palestine.

        To his credit, Canada’s Prime Minister Harper apologized to the Jews for not having let them in when they really needed it.

      • Keith
        Keith
        January 27, 2015, 1:42 am

        WALID- “To his credit, Canada’s Prime Minister Harper apologized to the Jews for not having let them in when they really needed it.”

        And did he apologize to the Ukrainians and Poles (which Tree mentioned in my quote) for not letting them in? If not, why not? Can it have anything to do with the current distribution of power? Harper is a jerk. The apology has little to do with morality and everything to do with power. Are Third World people escaping the consequences of neoliberal globalization welcome in Canada? Harper a rabid supporter of Israel, even more than the US. Canada is Zionist occupied territory and pandering to Zionist Jews is the new normal. Deal with it.

      • SamT
        SamT
        January 27, 2015, 5:34 am

        Somewhere in “Zionism: The Real Enemy of the Jews” (vol 3?) by Alan Hart, you will find the answer, of how the Americans offered all the unused immigration spaces, left unfulfilled during WWll, to Jewish European refugees. But they were thwarted by Ben-Gurion and his Jewish Agency, because they wanted the labour to migrate to Palestine.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        January 27, 2015, 11:44 am

        Thanks, “tree”.

      • Walid
        Walid
        January 27, 2015, 1:49 pm

        “Deal with it.”

        Keith, I was being sarcastic.

      • tree
        tree
        January 27, 2015, 2:04 pm

        Tree, one of the issues here is not Jews in general but Jews from Hitler’s Germany and the 1938 FDR conference that united 32 nations at Evian to discuss swapping Jews for the cash that Hitler wanted.

        Walid, most of my comment above was addressing Jews from Nazi Germany, not Jews in general. As I mentioned, during the 1930’s German Jews were the only ones believed to be threatened by Nazi Germany. No one seriously predicted at that time that Germany would control most of Europe in the then near future.

        German Jews (as well as Jews in general) were NOT barred from entering the US in the 1940s, as Pablemont asserted. This is the falsity, repeated by many well-meaning people, that I was seeking to correct.

        And the Evian Conference was not about swapping refugees for cash to Hitler. it was about finding ways for the international community to take in more German Jewish refugees. While the formal conference itself was a failure, it was immediately after the conference that FDR managed to increase the number of German Jewish refugees allowed into the US. Prior to that time the number of immigrants from Germany allowed in was less than the US yearly German quota of 25,000 (out of total US immigration quota of only 150,000), due to the strict enforcement of Hoover era restrictions on the immigration of any individual who presented a risk of becoming a public charge ( i.e., needing support from US or state coffers during the Depression).

        After the Conference in July 1938, and even more so after Kristallnacht in November of that year, the US greatly eased restrictions on refugees, mostly German Jews, so much so that nearly twice the number of German Jews were allowed into the US in fiscal 1939 as the 1924 enacted German quota allowed, and over half of the total immigrants of all varieties and countries allowed into the US were Jews. Other countries also loosened their restrictions on immigrants in the late 1930’s in order to help German Jewish refugees during that time, particularly in South America, with US encouragement.

        Again, the US could have done more, but it did not do “nothing” and it did not refuse to allow Jewish refugees into the US during this time, despite what “common knowledge” assumes. And as Keith reminded us, the US did literally nothing to provide refuge for Ukrainians suffering the Holodomor , the Poles suffering under the Soviet Great Terror or Manchurians suffering under the cruel reign of the Japanese during this exact same decade.

      • Keith
        Keith
        January 27, 2015, 2:32 pm

        TREE- “Again, the US could have done more….”

        Yes, of course, but as you correctly pointed out again and again (which I appreciate) the way that this has been presented by the Zionists is that the West discriminated against the Jews relative to Gentiles. This is simply not true, the reality being that the West discriminated in favor of German Jews relative to many Gentiles, in spite of Zionist complacency bordering on hostility to Jews going anywhere except Palestine. Correction, to young Zionist Jews going anywhere other than Palestine, the older, more vulnerable European Jews abandoned to their fate. Yet the Zionists continue to brazenly misrepresent history to support Jewish/Zionist mythology about ongoing Gentile anti-Semitism. As far as the US doing more, when has empire ever done other than try to implement imperial geostrategy? If the empire gave a rats
        you-know-what about the 99%, neoliberalism would not exist. Have the Zionists ever criticized empire about anything other than not giving them everything they want? Yet, no matter how many times you and others correct their brazen lies, they simply bide their time and then repeat the same BS. They have neither shame nor intellectual integrity.

      • Walid
        Walid
        January 27, 2015, 3:07 pm

        “Walid, most of my comment above was addressing Jews from Nazi Germany, not Jews in general. ‘ (tree)

        You’ve convinced me, tree, now I know.

    • Walid
      Walid
      January 26, 2015, 8:12 pm

      “But the issue is not right but reality. Jews in France—and, given certain trends, elsewhere in Europe, from Great Britain to Scandinavia—have to consider their literal survival… ”

      Laurent, I believe you’re hinting at the current trend of Jews marrying out of the tribe as putting the survival of the Jews as a collectivity at risk. Even if all French Jews move to Israel and adopt the Hebrew language, in time they will be overtaken by the Arab population there.

      • hophmi
        hophmi
        January 27, 2015, 3:57 pm

        Any more straw men here? Never ever heard anyone say ever that Jewish immigration to the US was banned or that restrictions applied exclusively to Jews. Once again, you’re trading in nonsense.

      • Laurent Weppe
        Laurent Weppe
        January 28, 2015, 7:25 am

        Laurent, I believe you’re hinting at the current trend of Jews marrying out of the tribe as putting the survival of the Jews as a collectivity at risk

        Most certainly Not. Jews have been intermarrying for centuries and it never put the survival of Jewish culture at risk: it’s inbreeding which destroys communities, not exogamy.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        January 28, 2015, 11:46 am

        ” it’s inbreeding which destroys communities, not exogamy.”

        Are you kidding? Why just a couple more generations, and we can identify each other by how we bruise. They’ll be no faking your way into the tribe then!

  3. Walid
    Walid
    January 26, 2015, 12:33 pm

    120,000 French Jews for Israel? Piece of cake; all Israel has to do is place a couple of small bombs in Jewish quarters of Paris and in no time, Israel will have its 120,000 French Jews.

    Been done before, in Baghdad in early 50s, Also in Beirut when the Magen Avraham Synagogue was bombed by the Israeli navy on August 12, 1982. Very convincing.

    • amigo
      amigo
      January 26, 2015, 1:07 pm

      “120,000 French Jews for Israel? Piece of cake;” Walid

      Yep , getting Jews there goes much faster than getting rid of those damn squatter Palestinians who still insist they have more rights to Judea /Samaria than our chosen brothers and sisters in exile in anti semitic and Jew hating France where danger lurks down every Boo lavard.

      I don,t think the leaders of any country are going to be happy watching zionists poach some of their best citizens on a false and insulting premise.

      Zionists are leaving a stench behind them wherever they have stopped off to use other people until it is time desert the countries who have educated and nurtured them.Bloody ingrates.,

  4. hophmi
    hophmi
    January 26, 2015, 12:43 pm

    You’re greatly distorting Ross’s argument.

    There is a difference between the assimilation President Obama calls for and the argument against complete assimilation that Dennis Ross makes on behalf of JPPI. People need not abandon their identity, as many assimilated Jews have by learning nothing about their faith, intermarrying, and then raising their children with none of their heritage, or raising their children in other faiths (and yes, in most intermarriages between Christians and Jews where a religion dominates, it’s Christianity, not Judaism). That is the kind of assimilation Ross is talking about. President Obama is talking about a very basic kind of assimilation that pertains principally to new immigrant populations. The vast majority of American Jewish community, with the possible of the ultra-orthodox, have certainly assimilated to that extent. In my view, America is a far less rich place when assimilation means subsuming your cultural and religious identity into some secular melting pot, rather than incorporating it into a diverse fabric. You seem to favor a completely false choice between a very secular form of assimilation, and a religious separateness, when the truth is that the great thing about America is that it is possible to be both religious and assimilated at the same time. You throw around words like Day School like they’re implicitly bad; do you have an idea what Day School is and what Ross means? Or are you depending on people here to do the Annie Hall and imagine that day school students are all kids with peyes who dress in black suits and hats every day, instead of what Ross actually means, which is community day schools with dual curriculums that include high-quality private school academic educations and regular Jewish studies, where a high percentage of graduates go on to elite universities?

    And yes, when you belong to a religion of 15 million people worldwide, as opposed to one with 1.5 billion followers, and when your faith is practiced by 1.7% of a country’s population, rather than 78.5% of the population, intermarriage is something you worry about a lot more than you otherwise would. It would be different if intermarriage was an exercise in sharing cultural traditions. But most often, it’s the end result of an upbringing that is devoid of any real Jewish content.

    • January 26, 2015, 1:56 pm

      Anyone who considers assimilation a problem is a raving racist.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        January 26, 2015, 4:04 pm

        “Anyone who considers assimilation a problem is a raving racist.”

        Don’t you see, Giles, as soon as Jews become individual citizens of a country, especially one which has no established religion, or religious test for office, and one that even goes so far to outlaw discrimination,(and extends those laws to Jews, while they still don’t to others) well, at that point each individual Jew, is free to define himself, and define himself in relation to his religion or his ethnic identification. Only family or social pressure can influence their decision, but ultimately, they can decide.

        But for some reason, that gets Hophmi all upset. I can’t imagine why.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        January 26, 2015, 4:44 pm

        Of course, it’s much easier to imagine there is some awful bargain struck by Jews, in which they must trade their religion and traditions to receive American citizenship and the benefits, rather than admitting that gee, maybe Judaism isn’t offering people something they like.

      • JWalters
        JWalters
        January 26, 2015, 8:30 pm

        The fundamental reason for segregation is to preserve the “purity” of a “superior” population. For segregationist Jews it is the belief that they are God’s “chosen” people. This idea of ethnic superiority has proven through history to be a plague on humanity, being used to justify predatory behavior toward other ethnic groups. Thus, a country dedicated to promoting this idea is a plague on humanity. Israel was established by predatory actions, including raw terrorism. This type of behavior causes blowback, always has and always will. The blowback hits innocent people, and that is used to further fan the fears and rally the “superior” ethnic group.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        January 27, 2015, 11:47 am

        “The fundamental reason for segregation is to preserve the “purity” of a “superior” population.”

        Bah! “Hybrid vigor” is the only way to go, in plants or animals.
        Yup, let’s keep up the in-marriage, and in a few more generations, we’ll all get jobs in the movies, bleeding on cue.

    • January 26, 2015, 1:57 pm

      Citing a Woody Allen spasm of paranoia displayed on film as reality. Hophmi, you may have topped yourself with that one

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        January 26, 2015, 2:52 pm

        Okay, correct me if I am wrong, but every Jew from a foreign country who has been granted (by whatever process) American citizenship is assimilated Anybody who is born here is a citizen, no assimilation necessary (Under most circumstances). Doesn’t matter how frum their parents are.

        How much, and under what circumstances, and for what reasons a person “acculturates” is up to them. Hophmi is full of crap.

    • Ellen
      Ellen
      January 26, 2015, 2:49 pm

      “where a high percentage of graduates go on to elite universities? ”

      Aside from the small minded and parochial values behind that statement, it is what happens in an open society. You know, people assimilate, culture evolves.

      It has been going on for thousands of years all over the globe!

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        January 26, 2015, 3:48 pm

        “It has been going on for thousands of years all over the globe!”

        My own American boyhood was a pinchbeck admixture of “Tom Sawyer” and “Call it Sleep” .

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      January 26, 2015, 3:12 pm

      Shorter Hophmi:
      ‘This year’s production of “Fiddler on the Roof” at IJC will be the best “Fiddler” ever!!!’

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      January 26, 2015, 3:28 pm

      Hophmi, has a Jewish person in the US ever been required to profess or disclaim any religion, in whole or in part, before he or she is given US citizenship, and afforded their legal rights?
      Has a Jewish person ever (ROTFLMSJHMAO) been required to marry a non-Jewish person, or pledge to bring up their kids as not Jewish, before being granted any of the rights afforded Americans? (and BTW, that these rights are being denied many other Americans only makes it more pointed.)

      “But most often, it’s the end result of an upbringing that is devoid of any real Jewish content.”

      Ah yes, and if anybody has the right and the obligation to render an informed yet completely objective and disinterested judgement on what “real Jewish content” is, it’s Hophmi.

      And Hophmi, we were talking about Scrooge the other day, but I think you’re up there with Marley’s ghost. You forged that chain of credibility you drag, link by link.

    • Sulphurdunn
      Sulphurdunn
      January 26, 2015, 3:46 pm

      I can’t begin to imagine what would happen if I told my kids who they could and couldn’t marry. Don’t be surprised if you get told to shove it.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        January 27, 2015, 11:51 am

        “I can’t begin to imagine what would happen if I told my kids who they could and couldn’t marry.”

        You have trouble with that? It’s easy, just learn to end the sentence about who they should marry with “or you won’t get a freaking farthing in my will!” It puts more “ooomph” behind your demands.

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      January 26, 2015, 5:08 pm

      ” which is community day schools with dual curriculums”

      Hophmi, are we talkiong about private schools, which may, of course, be organized by any religion, as long as they meet state requirements, or are we talking about publicly funded education, in which state money is used to the benefit of one small sect, one disappearing denomination? That’s not very American, Hophmi, or have one particular sect of Jews been selected as a “protected species”?

      • hophmi
        hophmi
        January 27, 2015, 2:39 pm

        I’m talking about private schools, clearly. The notion that giving kids a Jewish education is the same as endorsing segregation is nonsensical bigoted BS.

    • philadelphialawyer
      philadelphialawyer
      January 27, 2015, 10:21 pm

      “…when you belong to a religion of 15 million people worldwide, as opposed to one with 1.5 billion followers, and when your faith is practiced by 1.7% of a country’s population, rather than 78.5% of the population, intermarriage is something you worry about a lot more than you otherwise would. It would be different if intermarriage was an exercise in sharing cultural traditions. But most often, it’s the end result of an upbringing that is devoid of any real Jewish content. ”

      Huh? Where is that coming from? The intermarriages that I know about are indeed an exercise in sharing cultural traditions.

      But, to the extent they are not, so what? And, moreover, who is to “blame,” exactly? A Jewish person married to a non Jewish person decides, in hophmi’s experience, it seems, typically, to not insist on there being any “Jewish content” in the upbringing of their children. And what of it? Suppose two Jews had married and come to the same conclusion. Would that be any different, or any “better?”

      Lots of folks, from all different backgrounds, in both “mixed” and unmixed marriages, choose to let drop the “cultural traditions” they were brought up in. Indeed, that is more or less the multigenerational norm, in the USA.

      Italian immigrants. for example, spoke Italian and were Catholics, they had big nuclear and extended families and lived in ethnic communities and ate ethnic food, and consumed Italian cultural products, and tended to marry other Italian Americans. But their kids? Less so, in all particulars. And their grandkids? Less so still more. Until, after a few generations, there are few really “pure” Italian Americans, fewer still Italian speakers, and a mix of Christian religions and atheists/agnostics/secularists. They live in non ethnic neighborhoods and eat all kinds of food. And the consume no more Italian cultural products than the average American. And have smaller families as well. The “cultural traditions” that were brought over from Italy are almost entirely gone.

      Who cares? Or, more to the point, why is the person who does care, and objects, to be valorized? Folks can make up their own minds, and, in a free society, jettison whatever “cultural traditions” they have inherited as they choose.

      As an aside, the kind of “Italianness” that those immigrants brought with them is not necessarily well preserved in Italy, either. Things change, everywhere. Some traditions last, others don’t. But, again, who is to say whether that is good or bad?

      If American, European and other Jews don’t particularly value the religion (and other “cultural traditions”) that is theirs by accident of birth, what of it? Should they continue to maintain those traditions anyway, merely to make folks like hophmi happy? Should they impose them on their kids, for the same reason?

      The fact that there are fewer Jews than Muslims or Christians, and are a distinct minority group within the USA, really has nothing to do with it either. Whether there are lots of members of a group, or only a few, still, it is up to the actual persons, the individuals, to choose to preserve the cultural traditions of that group, or not, as they see fit. Not as someone whose primary concern seems to be the future of the group qua group sees fit.

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        January 27, 2015, 11:15 pm

        @philadelphialawyer

        I agree with almost every point you have made.

        Slight niggle here:

        “Things change, everywhere. Some traditions last, others don’t.”

        True.

        ” But, again, who is to say whether that is good or bad? ”

        We are. We can look at each tradition and judge.

        E.g. Loss of tradition of suppression of women. – Good.
        E.g. Loss of tradition of decent education – Bad.
        E.g. Loss of tradition of decent English Grammar – About as Bad as you can get.
        E.g. Loss of tradition of enslaving foreigners – Fairly Good, I suppose, though mostly for the foreigners.

        And so forth.

        The basis for our judgements should be whether the tradition positively contributes to human flourishing and human happiness.

        And I cannot see any such positive contribution from a restriction on intermarriage. There is no guarantee that marriage to a member of one’s own group will be any less miserable than marriage to a member of another group.

        http://mondoweiss.net/2013/09/a-jewish-new-year-call-for-justice-for-the-muslim-community#comment-591055

      • philadelphialawyer
        philadelphialawyer
        January 28, 2015, 12:38 pm

        RoHa:

        I thank you for your correction.

        I would add, however, that by “traditions,” I was referring more to things that are neither necessarily good nor bad, but are merely distinctive, and can be judged subjectively by different people. I agree of course, that slavery, the subjugation of women, and banning intermarriage are not of this order. But worshipping in a Jewish synagogue as opposed to a Christian church or Muslim mosque, or not at all, certainly is. Speaking Hebrew or Italian, as opposed to or in addition to (instead of some other language) English, certainly is. Eating predominantly one type of cuisine (leaving health and vegetarian-ethical considerations aside) as opposed to another certainly is. And so on. These types of “traditions,” it seems to me, have value that really pretty much is solely determined on a subjective basis, and there is no objective reason to prefer their maintenance or their loss.

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        January 28, 2015, 6:29 pm

        “These types of “traditions,” it seems to me, have value that really pretty much is solely determined on a subjective basis, and there is no objective reason to prefer their maintenance or their loss.”

        No disagreement there.

    • RoHa
      RoHa
      January 27, 2015, 10:51 pm

      “But most often, it’s the end result of an upbringing that is devoid of any real Jewish content.”

      In those cases, not much “Jewishness” is being “lost”, is it?

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        January 28, 2015, 11:53 am

        Gee whillikers, Mr. Wilson, it’s funny how “real Jewish content” is always something which Zionists like?

  5. eljay
    eljay
    January 26, 2015, 12:52 pm

    It’s breath-taking to see supremacism – in this case, Jewish supremacism (in a supremacist “Jewish State”) – advocated so overtly and self-righteously.

    It’s disappointing to see so many people / organizations / governments enabling and defending it.

  6. just
    just
    January 26, 2015, 1:35 pm

    Ross is a roving “settler” and a huckster. Same as Indyk. Same as too many other people.

    Leave the Palestinians in peace, and restore to them the respect that they deserve.

    Here’s a bit about a “good settlement” for those here that need to get a grip:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjAKnfqstww

    Indigenous folks always survive. 1S1P1V! (h/t Ramzi!)

    Israel~ get out of Palestinian land and lives!

    That is all.

    • Walid
      Walid
      January 26, 2015, 2:14 pm

      Just, Obama was not at his smartest when he started out his mandate by nominating Ross as his special envoy on Iran policy in just about the same week that Ross and co-author Zionist piranha David Makovsky released their book “Myths, Illusions and Peace”, essentially an anti-Iran message. When the mistake was realized, Ross was taken off the Iran post but instead of getting booted out altogether, he was given an even higher post, that of senior White House advisor, and Special Assistant to the President and Senior Director at the National Security Council for the Central Region. And that’s the guy the US put in charge along with Martin Indyk time after time as supposedly negotiators in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Don’t be surprised if next year you see him back as a negotiator in the same conflict. BTW, Makovsky was chosen by Indyk to be on the last negotiating team in 2013. No wonder negotiations never get anywhere with all these Zionists supposedly representing the US but actually representing Israel.

  7. lysias
    lysias
    January 26, 2015, 1:46 pm

    Ross figures in James Mann’s The Obamians as an elder statesman very influential with Obama’s other foreign policy advisers.

    • just
      just
      January 26, 2015, 2:06 pm

      We need many fewer advisers,millionaires, billionaires, and stars*****(shills for war and for Israel and the MIC) and man more compassionate and sentient human beings.

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      January 26, 2015, 3:18 pm

      “lysias” you would know much more than me about this, certainly, but sometimes I get the feeling that the guy at the center of a world-wide military empire (I mean, we got all kinds of men ships and bases all over the place) is almost at the mercy of the officers commanding far-off forces, who can both precipitate actions and to some extent control the information about them. Especially when there are all kinds of local and other irregular forces both allied and opposing us. It’s a recipe for chaos no President can control.

  8. John Douglas
    John Douglas
    January 26, 2015, 3:13 pm

    Israel’s bad behavior toward Palestinians provokes Muslims to respond against Jews in European cities. The Israel right or wrong crowd pushes for emigration from Europe to Israel to assure European Jews’ safety. Cynicism at its highest level. It’s also doubly racist, (1) Jews belong in Israel because they are Jews and (2) The Jews Israel seeks out are Europeans thus to assure that Tel Aviv eclipses Beirut at the Paris of the middle east..

    • Sulphurdunn
      Sulphurdunn
      January 26, 2015, 4:01 pm

      It’s just a tactic in the Israeli Lebensraum .

    • Rusty Pipes
      Rusty Pipes
      January 26, 2015, 7:42 pm

      (2b) The Jews Israel seeks out are white. Having targeted other large Ashkenazi populations in the past (“Save Russian Jewelry!”), Israel is tailoring its present appeals to one of the largest Jewish populations outside of Israel — France. Israelis consider all sorts of demographics threatening.

  9. tillkan
    tillkan
    January 26, 2015, 3:18 pm

    Zionism has alway been the ultimate assimilation trip. We Jews should have a country just like everybody else has a country. We have militaristic values, just like everybody else. We hope that no one will think us mysterious anymore. We are no longer the ones who identify with many places. If we we’re going to lay down our lives for something it will be for a country, like ordinary people. Hey Adolph, you win, we give up, we are no longer the types you despised.

    • Laurent Weppe
      Laurent Weppe
      January 26, 2015, 4:01 pm

      We hope that no one will think us mysterious anymore

      To be fair, it’s a resounding success: there’s nothing mysterious or even remotely exotic about a regime helmed by corrupt right-wingers using tribalistic jingoism and promises of preferential access to the scraps falling from the rich’s tables to divide the plebs and keep them under control.

    • Teapot
      Teapot
      January 26, 2015, 4:10 pm

      We Jews should have a country just like everybody else has a country.

      Except that I have a country because of my nationality, not my religion or ethnicity.

      If we we’re going to lay down our lives for something it will be for a country, like ordinary people.

      Some of my ancestors were Russian, but I’d never lay down my life for Russia. I am Muslim, but I’d never lay down my life for Saudi Arabia. Again, I am tied to my country because of my nationality, not because of religion or ethnicity.

      • Teapot
        Teapot
        January 26, 2015, 4:25 pm

        And if my country were illegally occupying foreign territory and committed lots of war crimes, I certainly wouldn’t lay down my life for it. Instead I would consider it my duty as a citizen to speak out against my own country.

    • eljay
      eljay
      January 26, 2015, 5:03 pm

      >> tillkaneee: We Jews should have a country just like everybody else has a country.

      Until you make “Jewish” the bureaucratic nationality of “Jewish State” and grant it – along with equality based on that bureaucratic nationality – to every citizen of, immigrant to and ex-pat and refugee from the geographic region comprising “Jewish State”, all you’ve got in Israel is Jewish supremacism, which is how you Zio-supremacists seem like it.

    • RoHa
      RoHa
      January 26, 2015, 9:44 pm

      Am I right in interpreting your post as ironic?

      If not, I’ll repeat my standard line.

      “We Jews should have a country just like everybody else has a country.”

      Australian Jews have a country. It’s called “Australia”.

      • seafoid
        seafoid
        January 27, 2015, 2:57 am

        And Zionists should lighten up. It’s far better to have a culture based on laughing at yourself rather than persecuting others

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        January 28, 2015, 5:08 am

        Thanks you for posting that. For all those Americans who claim to find cricket confusing, I think that video makes it all perfectly clear.

      • Citizen
        Citizen
        January 28, 2015, 8:45 am

        So maybe they should be called “Jewish Australians?”

    • oldgeezer
      oldgeezer
      January 26, 2015, 10:20 pm

      “We Jews should have a country just like everybody else has a country. ”

      I live in a country where God is recognized and Christian festivals accorded priority. I’m an atheist…

      Could you point me towards the country that accepts and gives atheists priority?

      I’m being facetious, quite frankly, but there isn’t a country I can claim as adhering to my beliefs and which will accept me solely because of my beliefs.

      A lot of people don’t have a country… So yes Jews have as much right to a country as everyone else which is none.

    • talknic
      talknic
      January 27, 2015, 2:35 am

      @ tillkan “Zionism has alway been the ultimate assimilation trip”

      Uh? Assimilation https://www.google.com.au/search?q=Assimilation It’s the opposite of Zionism

      “We Jews should have a country just like everybody else has a country.”

      No one else has a country based on a religious notion.

      “We have militaristic values, just like everybody else”

      Everyone else’s military isn’t occupying other folk and their territory. Everyone else’s military isn’t acquiring territory by war. Everyone else’s military doesn’t arrest children. Everyone else’s military isn’t protecting illegal settlers.

      ” If we we’re going to lay down our lives for something it will be for a country, like ordinary people.”

      Problem: Israelis have been laying down their lives to illegally acquire territories the Israeli Government claimed were “outside the State of Israel” … “in Palestine”

      “Hey Adolph, you win, we give up, we are no longer the types you despised”

      Oh my! It’s not Germany, but Israel who is now in breach of the laws and conventions adopted by the UN based in large part on the treatment of our Jewish fellows by Adolph’s ghastly regime.

      • just
        just
        January 27, 2015, 5:08 am

        +1 !

      • hophmi
        hophmi
        January 27, 2015, 3:52 pm

        Zionism’s the ultimate act of assimilation, Zionism’s the ultimate act of Jewish separateness… You people need to make up your mind which kind of bigots you are.

  10. Sulphurdunn
    Sulphurdunn
    January 26, 2015, 3:51 pm

    “Jews should have the right to choose to stay in France or anywhere else on the planet Earth they wish to live…” Really? No hubris there of course. I wonder if people like this ever wonder at all the dropping jaws when they say things like this?

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      January 26, 2015, 5:17 pm

      ” I wonder if people like this ever wonder at all the dropping jaws when they say things like this?”

      They always sound to me like hereditary aristocrats, defending their rights and privileges under the ancien regime.

    • Walid
      Walid
      January 26, 2015, 9:52 pm

      “Jews should have the right to choose to stay in France or anywhere else on the planet Earth they wish to live…”

      Not according to Zionist ideology that dictates that there is only one place they should live. I’m expecting more black flag operations to start happening soon to “encourage” the French to realize the wisdom of moving to Israel.

      Up to 2012, the average number of Jews leaving France for Israel annually was around 2000, but the year after the Toulouse attack on the school in 2013, the number rose to 3289. In the first quarter of 2014, the number that left for Israel was 1778 so we can estimate that the full 2014 year will be around 7 to 8000 and now after the Charlie Hebdo/supermarket attacks, the Zionist are capitalilizing on these events to have 120,000 French Jews abandon France for Israel. More people get killed in road accidents on Israel’s highways every week than Jews are getting killed in France in one year and Israel is supposed to be safer for French Jews?

      • piotr
        piotr
        February 2, 2015, 2:55 am

        I do not know about you Walid, but like most of the public, I have preferences how I want to die. Accidental death, like automobile accidents, raises least fear, and perhaps least of all, death by motorcycle crash with you as the rider.

        And being a victim of a terrorist attack that is not very thoroughly and mercilessly avenged by your state is close to the end. It is not like Israelis never suffer anxieties induced by terrorism, but how many villages could the French wipe out to feel better? Not even one? That will not do.

      • Walid
        Walid
        February 2, 2015, 3:24 am

        Piotr, I’m terrified of a slow death from prolongued illness but feel absolutely no fear of a sudden and painless death. Of course for some Jews, the constant fear of being exterminated must also be very terrifying and it’s on this that the Zionists play to make Jews go along with their ideology. The memory of Holocaust will be used for ever.

        If the French Jews stopped for minute to consider how many Jews were killed in France from the acts of anti-Jews, they’d realize that their fears today are totally unjustified. As the chief rabbi of Paris remarked during the Chalie march, the French Jews were so safe and felt so happy to be in France that a common saying to describe a happy person in France used to be ” heureux comme un juif en France.”

        The Zionists are back at their old game of goossing up the number of Jews in Israel as they did in the early 50s with the false flag operations and collusion with Arab authorities to get the Arab Jews to pack up and rush to Israel. Today, there are no more Arab Jews to pull this stunt on and no more Russian Jews in need of being “liberated” by bringing them to Israel, but there are plenty of Jews in France that are available for this and they are in good part educated and well-off.

        The more you look at the Charlie Hebdo and Kosher superette events, the more they appear as Israeli-provoked operations.

    • Kay24
      Kay24
      January 27, 2015, 12:43 am

      It is that sense of entitlement, and all that their little hearts desires, whether land or water, is theirs.

      • hophmi
        hophmi
        January 27, 2015, 3:51 pm

        Whose sense of entitlement? Do you not believe that Jews should have the right to live wherever they wish?

      • philadelphialawyer
        philadelphialawyer
        January 27, 2015, 10:35 pm

        “Whose sense of entitlement? Do you not believe that Jews should have the right to live wherever they wish?”

        LOL! You don’t recognize it when it is spelled out for you!

        Let me make it more explicit for you: no one actually has a “right” to live anywhere but in his country of citizenship. Of course, a respect for human rights means that a country will not prevent folks from emigrating (and won’t expel people either, I might add). But that does not mean that any other country has an obligation to let them live there.

        As an American, for example, I have no right to live anywhere but in the USA. Other countries might CHOOSE to take me in, should I desire it, but I have no right to that. Canada can tell me to stay out. So can Mexico, Jamaica, Israel (I’m not Jewish), Egypt, Japan, etc. True, within the EU, there is a right of trans-national movement, but that is an exception provided for by treaty. Another partial exception, also established by treaty, pertains to folks seeking political asylum. But, by and large, no, Jews, and everybody else as well, don’t have any right at all to live “wherever they choose.”

        Do you really not know that? Or do you think that there should be a special rule for Jews?

      • hophmi
        hophmi
        January 28, 2015, 10:24 am

        Do you really not understand that this is not what I said?

        Regardless, you’re wrong. Jews have a right to live in safety wherever they may be, as any minority would, and as international law dictates. Period.

      • Kay24
        Kay24
        January 28, 2015, 6:13 am

        Oh Jews can live legally wherever they want, it is when they steal lands, water, and resources that belongs to others, or disputed, that becomes the problem. Then that arrogance comes into play along with that sense of entitlement.

      • eljay
        eljay
        January 28, 2015, 12:21 pm

        >> hophmeee: Whose sense of entitlement?

        Your sense of entitlement.

        >> Do you not believe that Jews should have the right to live wherever they wish?

        I believe that Jewish citizens of any given country should have the same guarantee of justice, accountability and equality as non-Jewish citizens of that country. (Zio-supremacists agree…except when it comes to supremacist “Jewish State”.)

        I believe that Jewish immigrants to and ex-pats and refugees from any given country should have the same rights and expect the same treatment as non-Jewish immigrants to and ex-pats and refugees from that country. (Zio-supremacists agree…except when it comes to supremacist “Jewish State”.)

        I do not believe that Jews and non-Jews have a right to “live wherever they wish”.

      • philadelphialawyer
        philadelphialawyer
        January 28, 2015, 12:30 pm

        “Do you really not understand that this is not what I said?”

        Oh, I understood just fine. You said:

        “Do you not believe that Jews should have the right to live wherever they wish?”

        And that is not nearly the same thing as what you are saying now, which is:

        “Regardless, you’re wrong. Jews have a right to live in safety wherever they may be, as any minority would, and as international law dictates. Period.”

        And, in any event, even your backpedal is not quite true. Because, a person does not, per se, have a right to “live…wherever” he “may be.” For an obvious example, as US citizen I can probably get a tourist visa to go to France, but even while I am there, I have no indefeasible “right” to be there, and certainly no right at all to live there.

        As for the “safety” part, yes, folks, minority or otherwise, are protected by law wherever they may be. But, there is also a thing known as the right of revolution, and, like all lawful warfare, there are times when it can cause what we call in the USA and Israel “collateral damage,” even to civilians.

  11. RoHa
    RoHa
    January 26, 2015, 11:00 pm

    “Ross calls for “full-time Jewish Day School education” for young Jews — indicating that this will stop them from marrying non-Jews.”

    So these will be religious schools specifically intended to perpetuate social isolation?

    • piotr
      piotr
      February 2, 2015, 3:06 am

      It depends, but in a multicultural society this is OK. The interest that Ross has in prevention of intermarriage is strangely at variance with his personal experience. Perhaps he concluded that intermarriage leads to a twisted personality and bizarre views.

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        February 2, 2015, 3:56 am

        “Perhaps he concluded that intermarriage leads to a twisted personality and bizarre views.”

        And he thinks other types of marriage don’t?

      • piotr
        piotr
        February 2, 2015, 8:46 pm

        He had Catholic-born stepfather and non-religious upbringing.

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        February 3, 2015, 9:35 pm

        “It depends, but in a multicultural society this is OK.”

        I do not think so, but then, I take a dim view of what is practiced as “multiculturalism”. It is largely a form of politically correct apartheid.

  12. OyVey00
    OyVey00
    January 27, 2015, 6:29 pm

    Please, Mr. Ross. By all means, set an example and be the first one to emigrate to Israel. The American people will surely get over this terrible loss.

  13. Kathleen
    Kathleen
    January 29, 2015, 10:06 pm

    Stephen Walt (co-author of the book “The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy”) wrote the following about Dennis Ross.

    “Ross has been advising presidents ever since the first Bush administration and played a central role in both the Clinton and Obama administration, and his stewardship of the “peace process” has led exactly nowhere. In what other line of work could someone fail consistently for two decades and still have a job?”

    Source: http://walt.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2011/07/06/eldar_the_oslo_process_is_over

    • ritzl
      ritzl
      January 29, 2015, 10:40 pm

      “… In what other line of work could someone fail consistently for two decades and still have a job?”

      Heh. In the line of work where failure is the objective.

      Thanks for the reminder and your great comments, Kathleen.

      • Walid
        Walid
        January 30, 2015, 2:14 am

        … In what other line of work could someone fail consistently for two decades and still have a job?”

        Palestnian negotiator.

  14. Citizen
    Citizen
    January 30, 2015, 6:52 am

    Florida real agent, broker, and Title/Settlement company.

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