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Ros-Lehtinen removes pro-Palestinian activists from Congressional hearing on punishing PA for joining ICC

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Many Americans who support Palestinians’ human rights were dismayed a few weeks ago when a House Foreign Affairs subcommittee announced it would hold a hearing on cutting off aid to the Palestinian Authority. The panel was announced in response to the PA’s application to join the International Criminal Court—arguably, among Palestinians, the only popular initiative that Mahmoud Abbas has taken in recent memory. The panel was made all the more offensive when subcommittee chairperson Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (R-Fla.) revealed that the witness table would be staffed exclusively by neoconservatives—three out of four of whom have written about Palestinian children as constituting a “demographic threat” to the Jewish state.

When the panel assembled yesterday in the Rayburn House Office Building on Capitol Hill, citizens concerned about human rights in Israel/Palestine packed the hearing–to represent the growing-but-still-marginalized contingent of Americans who object to the US government’s one-sided diplomatic and military support for Israel. The chairperson would not be amused.

From the start, it was clear the hearing was anything but mundane, despite its lack of real significance. It was neither an oversight nor a mark-up hearing, but was well-attended by lawmakers when Ros-Lehtinen gavelled the room to order. Capitol Police officers, too, attended in abnormally large numbers, keeping a watchful eyes on attendees organized by the US Campaign to End the Israeli Occupation who gathered to carry out “a silent and dignified protest in support of Israel being held accountable at the ICC.” They held up signs bearing photographs of Israeli atrocities committed in Gaza last summer, adorned with the slogan “#ICC4Israel.” Or they did until the hearing kicked off.

Demonstrators, organized by the US Campaign to End the Israeli Occupation, hold up signs with photos of Israeli atrocities in Gaza with the slogan "#ICC4Israel." (Photo: Sam Knight)

Demonstrators, organized by the US Campaign to End the Israeli Occupation, hold up signs with photos of Israeli atrocities in Gaza with the slogan “#ICC4Israel.” (Photo: Sam Knight)

Before making her opening statement, Ros-Lehtinen reminded audience members that disruption was against the law—a statute that expressly forbids the holding-up of signs, she said. At one point, the chairperson quietly dispatched a staffer to tell a man to cease propping such a graphic threat to the public order against his stomach, visible to her and other legislators as it was. If she had been okay with the silent protest, perhaps what happened eventually could have been avoided.

Everything proceeded initially as the subcommittee leaders planned. The chairperson and ranking member, Rep. Ted Deutch (D-Fla.) traded lamentations about Abbas’ application to join the ICC, questioning the effects the move should have on US aid to the PA, and whether or not the actions of the pseudo-government make it a partner for peace. In December, Congress approved of a law that withholds assistance in the event that the PA “initiate[s] action against Israel at the court.” Despite this unambiguous line having not been crossed, the hearing was decided worthy of everyone’s time and taxpayers’ money.

The man who was told by Ros-Lehtinen's staffer to keep his sign held flat. (Photo: Sam Knight)

The man who was told by Ros-Lehtinen’s staffer to keep his sign held flat. (Photo: Sam Knight)

There were, however, no complaints from panel members, who were practically falling over themselves to praise Ros-Lehtinen and learn from panelists before them. While hearings usually are light on opening statements from members, this proved an exception to the rule.

Rep. Ted Yoho (R-Fla.) seemed to think Palestinians asking for accountability was a nuisance, and called on witnesses to suggest policy changes “so we can talk about baseball the next time you come here.” The baby-faced freshman Rep. Brendan Boyle (D-Pa.) reported being troubled by “the increase in an effort in the international community to isolate and stigmatize Israel.”

“I’m interested in what we can do as a country to stand up for Israel, to stand up for human rights of all people,” he continued, drawing audible gasps from audience members.

Rep. Grace Meng (D-N.Y.), meanwhile, said she was worried that the PA’s actions “could do irreparable damage to the peace process” and “contravene international law.”

“We must be clear that joining the ICC is not a viable approach for the Palestinians,” she said.

But perhaps the most outlandish statement came from Rep. Joe Wilson (R-S.C.), a man most known for shouting “you lie” to President Obama during an executive address to a joint session of Congress in September 2009. After noting his support for a website called Palestinian Media Watch—also known as “palwatch dot org,” as Rep. Wilson gracefully noted—the conservative lauded the current Israeli government and “Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu as he seeks to promote peace in the region.”

The remark resulted in a hail of boos from the pro-Palestine contingent, who must have felt like political science PhDs being told by a suburban ninth grader to “Google Glenn Beck.” Ros-Lehtinen did not ask the Capitol Police to escort out the offenders.

A family arrives late to the hearing, to show support for holding Israel accountable. A Capitol Police officer watches proceedings next to the door. (Photo: Sam Knight)

A family arrives late to the hearing, to show support for holding Israel accountable. A Capitol Police officer watches proceedings next to the door. (Photo: Sam Knight)

At this point, the majority of reactions consisted of eye-rolling in response to handwringing and moralizing from the dais over the supposed existential threat to Israel represented by Hamas-Fatah cooperation (unmentioned was the unity government’s policy of unilaterally recognizing Israel without having the favor returned, vis-a-vis a Palestinian state).  Rep. Deutch did, however, draw applause in noting, with regret, that the Palestinian Authority would become a member of the ICC on April 1.

But frustrations soon mounted, as the panel launched into their opening statements. Without a token lawmaker willing to even feign consideration that Palestinians deserve legal protections afforded to Israelis, and deprived of even their “silent and dignified protest,” the human rights contingent of the audience increasingly took to audible reactions.

In his opening statement, witness Jonathan Schanzer from the Foundation for Defense of Democracies called for the US to “wage lawfare” against Palestine, strip the PLO of its DC office and “make plans for Abbas to go.” He was roundly booed.

Northwestern University law professor Eugene Kontorovich drew derisive laughs from the audience when he suggested the PA, as a non-state, could set the precedent for Boko Haram, the Taliban or ISIS to ask the UN General Assembly to call for “investigations of the US and its allies” (at least, from Eugene’s perspective, the statement garnered more laughter than his Twitter quip on the day of the Charlie Hebdo massacre, wondering whether it was “a protest for #France voting in support of #Palestine SecCouncil resolution”). He also drew groans and eyerolls when he said “Israel has a well-functioning criminal justice system” and that the ICC is “reserved for the worst atrocities” (“that’s why we’re here,” one woman in the audience responded).

The third witness, Danielle Pletka, a defense specialist for the Iraq War-championing American Enterprise Institute, scolded protesters, accusing them of not demonstrating against the Syrian government—a claim that elicited equally valid “we do’s” from the Code Pink contingent and “our tax dollars don’t fund Assad” from another man.

The asymmetrical back-and-forth came to a head, finally, when the ultimate witness, the Washington Institute for Near East Policy’s David Makovsky posthumously accused half of the Palestinians killed last summer by Israel of being “terrorists” before lamenting that the ICC application could fuel the BDS movement—the former drew righteous anger, the latter drew cheers.

It was after the applause for BDS that Ros-Lehtinen decided she had enough. She wasn’t going to have her hearing ruined by empathy. The chairperson ground the meeting to a halt and asked the Capitol Police to escort out attendees. “Let’s go,” one ordered. “You heard the chairlady.”

Confusion hung in the air, however, as only a handful of the pro-Palestine contingent had made noise throughout the farce. Lead Code Pink organizer Medea Benjamin, no stranger to being escorted out of congressional hearings for shouting down death peddlers, asked if she, having been on her best behavior, could stay. Her request was turned down. One woman didn’t bother waiting being singled out, and yelled at Pletka as she left, declaring that, as a Syrian, she was offended by the misappropriation of her people’s suffering. At this point, sitting at the aisle, I was asked if I, a quiet observer and freelance journalist, would be allowed to remain. Lacking the credentials, I was not. Out we went.

In the hallway, the boisterousness grew. There was almost a sense of regret that the disruptions weren’t more pointed and deliberate—the hearing, with it’s extreme right-wing character, was political snuff theater, anyway. “They should at least have passed out vomit bags,” Benjamin said, as sympathizers chanted “shame” when the doors to the hearing room opened.

Despite the futility of it all, I tried to get back in. It was confirmed to me at the door, however, that I, as an uncredentialed freelancer, would remain on the outside. “We got people out here more important than that,” one officer told me. A few minutes later, they did an about face, however, after verifying, in their eyes, the legitimacy of my presence. “You’re not Code Pink?” an officer asked. I said no and quietly took my seat.

With demonstrators denied their right to protest in silence, or in measured audibility, I noticed only three seemingly pro-Palestinian demonstrators left in the room: two men wearing kuffiyehs and the man approached by Ros-Lehtinen’s staffer to keep his sign down—the latter probably avoided expulsion because he was sitting in the “Congressional Staff Only” section, once the de facto overflow area while the chamber was crowded. The rest of the seats were mostly filled with suits, who listened intently to the droning legalistic defenses of last summer’s indiscriminate bombing campaign in Gaza and attacks on the integrity of the ICC. Ros-Lehtinen then announced that House members were being summoned for a series of votes, and adjourned the meeting at around 3:30, roughly 90 minutes after it started. One of the men wearing a kuffiyeh then casually–almost in a bored manner–picked up an #ICC4Israel sign, and was quickly ushered out the room by Capitol Police, as people officially deemed less offensive approached the witnesses and lawmakers.

In the hallway outside of the Rayburn hearing room, the man with the kuffiyeh who was promptly asked to leave by Capitol Police after the hearing adjourned. (Photo: Sam Knight)

In the hallway outside of the Rayburn hearing room, the man with the kuffiyeh who was promptly asked to leave by Capitol Police after the hearing adjourned. (Photo: Sam Knight)

Josh Ruebner, the policy director of the US Campaign to End the Israeli Occupation, approached Ros-Lehtinen to get her views on the whole affair. He told me after that she defended the panel as “not biased” and dismissed the protests as routine. “I wish there was that kind of freedom of speech in Cuba,” said the Cuban-born American whose family fled the island after the Batista dictatorship fell to Castro.

Palestinians, too, wish they had that kind of freedom of expression—the Israeli military law under which the Palestinians in the occupied territories live forbids “assembly, vigil, procession, or publication relating to a political matter or one liable to be interpreted as political,’” in the words of B’Tselem. Not that the chairperson was interested in listening to anyone who could inform her of that fact.

Meanwhile, Ros-Lehtinen’s counterpart was approached by the co-chair of Sabeel DC Metro (a group dedicated to “Justice for Palestine-Israel”) Paul Verduin. Ranking Member Deutch, Verduin relayed to me, said that the panel was assembled the way it was because “we care so very much about peace.” And they say bipartisanship is dead in Washington.

Fortunately, for Palestinians who can count their friends on The Hill with two hands, the Executive Branch isn’t engaging in the same policy. I met lobbyists for the PLO outside the hearing whose said that the State Department and White House do not believe the aid-withdrawal clause of last year’s appropriations act has been triggered.

Ruebner and Verduin, however, still regretted how the hearing played out—pointless though it may have been. The settlements, the indiscriminate bombing, the brutal military occupation under which Palestinians live—they wanted at least one person at the hearing to enter into the Congressional Record  why Abbas went to the ICC.

Sam Knight
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  1. amigo
    amigo
    February 5, 2015, 4:00 pm

    “Rep. Grace Meng (D-N.Y.), meanwhile, said she was worried that the PA’s actions “could do irreparable damage to the peace process” and “contravene international law.” ”

    Where the hell did Meng come up with that doozy.She is claiming that there is an intl law that prevents oppressed people from seeking justice .

    What are these nazi like nut cases smoking.It is hard to read this trollop .Just imagine how painful it must be to sit there and have to listen to these stasi like monsters.

    The whole concept of this sham is Al Capone type behaviour towards one of his victims.Go to the police and I will punish you.

    American justice my ass.When are real Americans going to take back “Their ” nation.

    • randomguy
      randomguy
      February 6, 2015, 3:19 pm

      Actually there is international law making those actions illegal, it’s called the Oslo Accord. I understand you are passionate about your opinion on the situation, but you really should try informing yourself on something before you talk about it in a condescending manner.

      • talknic
        talknic
        February 14, 2015, 11:19 am

        @ randomguy “Actually there is international law making those actions illegal, it’s called the Oslo Accord.”

        Strange … International Law effects all nations and remains until repealed. The Oslo accords were specific to the parties involved, had a specific timeline and; broken by any party, they become a broken agreement, not worth sh*te

        YOU really should try informing yourself on something before you talk about it

    • bilal a
      bilal a
      February 6, 2015, 6:41 pm

      it could be worse, we could be in Ukraine:

      AJC @AJCGlobal · Feb 4
      AJC delegation met w/Ukrainian Head of Internal Security Services Valentin Nalivaychenko today in Kiev.
      https://twitter.com/AJCGlobal/status/563084261759406080

      This picture was taken back in 2011 Nalivaychenko speaks to radical nationalist group “Trident” and its head – Yarosh. Guess where? – Writes Varjag-2007 . – On the territory Zarvanitsa – this church complex of the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church (UGCC), where the annual meeting of radicals produced under the command of Trident Yarosh and the blessing of the UGCC leadership. Organization “Right sector” became known during the events on Independence, when far away from the students with flowers began to appear thugs with bats, fittings and firearms. Who created the “Right sector”? There is a suspicion that this organization – the fruit of years of work including … Security Service of Ukraine.
      https://niqnaq.wordpress.com/2014/04/03/the-new-head-of-ukrainian-counter-intelligence-works-for-the-cia/

      • Egbert
        Egbert
        February 7, 2015, 12:21 pm

        The leader of the far right Pravy Sektor, Borislav Bereza, was interviewed by Tablet Mag a while ago. Bereza is reported as being “(Surprise) Jewish, and (Real Surprise) Proud of It”. Pravy Sektor is one of the leading forces in the attempted ethnic cleansing of eastern Ukraine. Pravy Sektor, and other far right paramilitary units are financed by Kolomoisky, a Jewish-Ukrainian oligarch, who seems to want the east as his own personal fiefdom. Strange times.

        http://tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/187217/borislav-bereza

  2. Kathleen
    Kathleen
    February 5, 2015, 4:03 pm

    Ros Lehtinen is one of the head racist thugs who has led anti Palestinian legislation for I believe at least two decades. She is a racist to her very core.

    • Kay24
      Kay24
      February 5, 2015, 7:05 pm

      She certainly is. She is a rabid pro zionist servant of Israel. She puts that nation above her own, and will go against doing the right thing for the US anytime she has to keep protecting Israel, and it’s crimes.

      • Marnie
        Marnie
        February 6, 2015, 5:59 am

        Which makes me wonder, what do the Israelis have on her to receive such blind devotion, in complete disregard of the country she lives in and the people she is supposed to serve? What do the Israelis have on Washington, to keep them in lockstep servicing the zionist state? Traitors.

      • Kathleen
        Kathleen
        February 6, 2015, 7:08 pm

        I think Ros Lehtinen has true blind devotion. Racism at her core. Not to say that there are not efforts to have information on folks that they can be blackmailed with. According to what I have read Feith and team are notorious for collecting blackmail material. Scott Ritter is one of the experts they made successful efforts at taking down I believe due to his intense efforts to wake the American public up about the unnecessary invasion of Iraq and the targets on Iran. Now I am not making excuses for Ritter’s personal and serious failings…however on a scale of severity Feith, Wolfowitz, Cheney, Rice war team are responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths, injuries, millions displaced a horrific mess in the middle east. Ritter on the other hand was caught jacking off on a computer screen. Again thought there was a young girl on the other side. Sick sick sick. However the deaths that the war team are responsible for are far far more serious. Ritter did time for his crime. Not so with the Iraq war killing team

  3. lysias
    lysias
    February 5, 2015, 4:36 pm

    “I wish there was that kind of freedom of speech in Cuba,” said the Cuban-born American whose family fled the island after the Batista dictatorship fell to Castro.

    That’s only part of Ros-Lehtinen‘s background.

    Ros-Lehtinen’s maternal grandparents were Sephardic Jews, originally from the Ottoman Empire, who had been active in Cuba’s Jewish community.[8] Her maternal grandfather left the city of Kırklareli for Cuba in 1913, fleeing the devastation and economic collapse caused by the First Balkan War.[9] Her mother later converted to Catholicism to marry her father.[8][10]

    Forward: Miami Pol Closes In on Key Foreign Policy Post: Cuban-American Has a Family Tree With Jewish Roots (Oct. 14, 2005):

    A passionate supporter of Israel, the congresswoman has one more important asset: the tacit, yet enthusiastic, support of influential Jewish organizations. Although no Jewish group has endorsed her officially — it is unlikely that any would wade into such a leadership fight — Ros-Lehtinen is known for her close relations with the American Israel Public Affairs Committee.

    What only few of her Jewish fans know, however, is that Ros-Lehtinen has Jewish roots. Her maternal grandfather, Jacobo Adato Levy, was active in Cuba’s Jewish community in the 1940s and helped establish several synagogues. Ros-Lehtinen’s mother was born Jewish but converted to Catholicism when she got married. Ros-Lehtinen is Catholic, but, she said, “I am very proud of my Jewish roots and very proud of my grandfather — for his activity throughout the years when he lived in Cuba to promote the Jewish community and promote the Jewish religion there.”

    The Florida lawmaker said that she does not know much about her Jewish grandparents — her mother doesn’t talk about them often –– but she knows that they were Sephardic Jews, originally from Turkey, and that her grandfather was a pillar of the Jewish community in Cuba. When she and her parents left for the United States after Fidel Castro took power, her grandfather stayed behind with his ailing wife. Both grandparents died in Havana.

    Ros-Lehtinen does not talk about her Jewish roots; few people on Capitol Hill know about them. In fact, it is impossible to find any published stories about the congresswoman that mention her Jewish roots. Even most of her Jewish constituents in Miami have only heard distant rumors and nothing more, despite Ros-Lehtinen’s closeness to Miami’s Jewish community.

    • lysias
      lysias
      February 5, 2015, 4:54 pm

      By the way, Ros-Lehtinen is no longer Catholic, She is now an Episcopalian, according to her Wikipedia entry.

    • RockyMissouri
      RockyMissouri
      February 6, 2015, 11:04 am

      Very sad. She is a dismal representative…. I denounce these frauds.

  4. CloakAndDagger
    CloakAndDagger
    February 5, 2015, 4:37 pm

    I wish there was something I could do to change our laws so
    that:

    1.     A candidate for government office would have to publicly declare if they were a dual citizen (and be barred from the candidacy if they were)

    2.     A candidate for government office would have to declare under penalty of perjury if their primary intent was to represent the constituency that would elect them or a foreign nation. If later, it were found to be the latter, they would be ejected from office with significant financial and other penalties.

    3.     Strict term limits would be imposed on members of congress with the same constraints as the presidency, including a maximum of two terms, but each term would be for 6 years

    4.     Strict limits on campaign funds and only from individuals, not corporations or PACs. Corporations are not people, contrary to what the corrupt SC decided.

    5.     The ability to quickly recall a member of congress if their popularity dropped below 33%. If more than 66% of the country doesn’t think you represent them, you have no business sitting up there.

    I am sure some of you could think of a few more laws that would restore the republic.

    • JeffB
      JeffB
      February 6, 2015, 9:08 am

      @CloakandDagger

      A candidate for government office would have to publicly declare if they were a dual citizen (and be barred from the candidacy if they were)

      There is a regulation, not a law which states that naturalizing to a foreign country does not in and of itself constitute renunciation of citizenship. That could be changed any Secretary of State or President (assuming Congress didn’t intervene). If it were there would legally be no more dual citizens at all. So if so congressmen were found to have dual citizenship they would lose their USA citizenship, be ineligible for their seat and thus immediately removed from office.

      Barring people from office who are dual citizens I would think violate the equal protection clause so I doubt the courts would uphold such a law. Either the position of the USA is that dual citizens have renounced or they haven’t, we don’t have a concept of half renouncing citizenship though I know a lot of people on this board believe that should be the status of Jews like it was in the middle ages (oh excuse me this only should apply to the 99.5% who are “Zionists”) but we have a constitution that protects against that sort of thing. In particular with Zionism that fails the religious test for office clause.

      A candidate for government office would have to declare under penalty of perjury if their primary intent was to represent the constituency that would elect them or a foreign nation.

      And every congressmen would pass with flying colors. Zionists disagree with you about what is in the best interests of the world. There are people who honestly look at the facts and don’t come to the same conclusions you do about the best course of action. I know that’s hard to believe for you but you’ll need to work on it.

      Strict limits on campaign funds and only from individuals, not corporations or PACs. Corporations are not people, contrary to what the corrupt SC decided.

      Individuals who are Zionists could easily accomplish the same goals. PACs are just a mechanism. Your solution doesn’t fix your problem. But that’s a boring issue I talk about all the time here.

      The Supreme Court didn’t decide corporations are people. That’s USA law. What the Supreme Court decided was one aspect of the question of given that corporations are legal persons to what extent can the law discriminate against them. It doesn’t take a constitutional amendment to strip corporations of their personhood, it does require a rethinking of 300 years of corporate legal theory.

      Obviously we have projects that are in the common good that require enormous concentrations of wealth (i.e. resources and people) to complete. Obviously as consumers we like some level of consistency in our products. That doesn’t mean that we need corporations. Partnerships have a limited numbers of human owners who are liable for the acts of the entity so legal personhood is not required for them avoid many of the perils of corporations. Where a broader group of investors is needed only allowing limited type of corporations with expiring limited purpose charters would make sure that corporations exist to serve us not us to serve them. Why not listen to the 18th century critiques of corporations that pointed out the danger that by creating legal immortal persons without those strict limitations they would form a new aristocracy even more powerful than the old one had been? They’ve been proven right so why not adopt their suggestions.

      Let’s not make this merely about donations. That’s not the problem it is just a tiny part of it.

      The ability to quickly recall a member of congress if their popularity dropped below 33%. If more than 66% of the country doesn’t think you represent them, you have no business sitting up there.

      Congressmen are elected by their districts not by the country. Do you mean 66% of the population of the USA can unseat any member of congress or that 66% of their district can? The Tea Party has a similar movement to repeal the 17th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution for much the same argument I think you are making.

      • CloakAndDagger
        CloakAndDagger
        February 7, 2015, 2:24 pm

        TLDR

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        February 7, 2015, 5:47 pm

        “TLDR

        I call it a “mutter”. Hands working furiously in his pockets, standing in a corner of the room, muttering, looking daggers at the ignorant fools who won’t listen. Nobody quite knows what the heck he’s on about. A good long mutter.

        “Yonah” originated the form, but “JeffyB” has made it interminable.

    • American
      American
      February 6, 2015, 9:49 am

      CloakAndDagger February 5, 2015, 4:37 pm

      I wish there was something I could do to change our laws
      >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.

      A good first step would be to require anyone seeking office be “born in” the US. That would be some help at least.
      The problem with those who werent is too often their grudges and/or ideologies are already set, they have a agenda for going into politics tied to their childhood experience or their parents experience.
      Ros-Lehtinen is a example of that. She doesnt really give a rats ass about the ‘cuban people’, all the policies and punishments she has pushed for Cuba have hurt cubans, not helped them. Her family like the other hard line cuban exiles were members of Batista’ s lords and serfs society in Cuba–they lost their privilaged life styles as the ruling class and ended up having to start over in the US and they resented the hell out of it and have been trying to return Cuba and their own fortunes to the pre Castro days ever since.
      The Cuban revolution occured before my high school days but was still a topic and we once had a speaker come to our school
      to talk about it–he had been a wealthy doctor in Cuba but had a lowly job in the US because he couldn’t automatically have his medical degree tranferrred/accepted in the US and was having to go thru a lot of certifications –he was very angry about it—at Castro and at the US system that wouldnt let him automatically assume the same position or privilages in the US that he had in Cuba.

      • CloakAndDagger
        CloakAndDagger
        February 7, 2015, 2:23 pm

        @ American

        Ros-Lehtinen is a downright traitor to the US.

      • CloakAndDagger
        CloakAndDagger
        February 7, 2015, 2:25 pm

        @ American

        Being born in the US is not enough to eliminate the 2nd generation zios who have been indoctrinated by their 1st generation parents.

    • jahan
      jahan
      February 6, 2015, 1:02 pm

      Several states have the Initiative process. In Ohio one must write a single purpose law; for example repeal the authority to purchase foreign bonds (Ohio holds $109,000,000 of Israeli bonds) Gather 1,000 signatures then submit to the state. The attorney general reviews the language, then on to the state legislature. It it fails to act then one must gather signatures equally 6% of the last vote for governor. Perhaps 250,000 signatures of registered voters. Then it goes on the ballot. Then voters decide if Ohio tax money is spent in Ohio or in Israel.

      The initiative process can propose tax legislation to tax revenue of Ohio residents who serve in elected positions where revenue, campaing contributions are made by non-Ohio residents. Rate could be 75%. Such an act would buttress state rights.

  5. Sulphurdunn
    Sulphurdunn
    February 5, 2015, 4:51 pm

    The House of Representatives is a clown car of claptrap and criminality. No one should take it seriously until it tries to legislate.

  6. jaspeace2day
    jaspeace2day
    February 5, 2015, 6:50 pm

    So much for the Leahy Law being enforced! Must be one of thos “selective” laws.

    “The Leahy Law or Leahy amendment is a U.S. human rights law that prohibits the U.S. Department of State and Department of Defense from providing military assistance to foreign military units that violate human rights with impunity”…as in illegal settlements, etc., etc., etc.

    Seems like it was made especially for israel and it’s terrorist organizations mossad and IDF. Only if there was enough backbone…seems like it’s a long way off. :(

    • CloakAndDagger
      CloakAndDagger
      February 5, 2015, 8:22 pm

      or the Symington Ammendment, for that matter:

      PROHIBITIONS; SAFEGUARDS AND MANAGEMENT. —Except as provided in subsection (b) of this section, no funds made available to carry out the Foreign Assistance Act of 1961 or this Act may be used for the purpose of providing economic assistance (including assistance under chapter 4 of part II of the Foreign Assistance Act of 1961), providing military assistance or grant military education and training, providing assistance under chapter 6 of part II of that Act, or extending military credits or making guarantees, to any country which the President determines delivers nuclear enrichment equipment, materials, or technology to any other country on or after August 4, 1977, or receives such equipment, materials, or technology from any other country on or after August 4, 1977, unless before such delivery—
      (1) the supplying country and receiving country have reached agreement to place all such equipment, materials, or technology, upon delivery, under multilateral auspices and management when available; and
      (2) the recipient country has entered into an agreement with the International Atomic Energy Agency to place all such equipment, materials, technology, and all nuclear fuel and facilities in such country under the safeguards system of such Agency.

  7. William Burns
    William Burns
    February 5, 2015, 7:36 pm

    It’s all the way up to two hands now?

  8. American
    American
    February 5, 2015, 10:22 pm

    Oh well whats left to say….only thing left in my political bucket is to burn these gd traitors to the ground if its the last thing done in america ..and it may be.

  9. Pixel
    Pixel
    February 5, 2015, 11:34 pm

    These lists are all over the web. I just grabbed one at will.

    US Politicians Who Hold Dual US/Israeli Citizenship

    http://american3rdposition.com/?p=12767 August 18, 2014

    Past and Present:

    [….]

    • seafoid
      seafoid
      February 5, 2015, 11:54 pm

      John Bolton ? Mr Potato Head ? I doubt it

    • Clif Brown
      Clif Brown
      February 6, 2015, 2:16 am

      Representative Jan Schakowsky is my rep and does NOT have dual citizenship with Israel. I called her office and had this directly, specifically confirmed. This list should therefor be suspect.

    • jon s
      jon s
      February 6, 2015, 3:23 am

      Pixel’s “information ” (the bogus list) is linked to “american 3rd position” , aka the “American Freedom Party”, a white-supremacist, anti-Semitic organization.
      See here:
      http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-files/groups/american-freedom-party

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        February 6, 2015, 4:00 am

        O. K. That gives us reason to be a bit suspicious of the list, though not to reject it entirely. Can you provide a list from a more trustworthy source?

      • seafoid
        seafoid
        February 6, 2015, 4:10 am

        Well spotted, Jon. Anything linked to people like that is disturbing.

        All this global Jewish conspiracy stuff is scary. Israel is a common or garden apartheid situation and we don’t need to go back to the 30s to analyse it.

      • February 6, 2015, 7:00 am

        There is a global conspiracy and it is headed by people who are Jewish.

        I mean come on, that’s just a fact.

        We just need to be clear that the majority of Jews are not actively engaged in this conspiracy; although the large majority support the fantasy of Zionism that they have been raised from birth to believe in. People should not be harmed due to their opinions (even more so when those opinions have been drilled into them from childhood).

      • annie
        annie
        February 6, 2015, 10:36 am

        looks like they just collected everyone w/a jewish name and claimed they were dual citizens.

      • eljay
        eljay
        February 6, 2015, 11:05 am

        >> Giles: There is a global conspiracy and it is headed by people who are Jewish.

        Curious:
        – What is the purpose of this global conspiracy?
        – It is really headed by Jews, or is it headed by very wealthy and powerful people, some (but not all) of whom happen to be Jewish?

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        February 6, 2015, 12:43 pm

        “There is a global conspiracy and it is headed by people who are Jewish.
        I mean come on, that’s just a fact.”

        Well, you could put it like that, but that’s probably taking in a little too much. But, apart from all the emotional connotation of the word, it’s not hard, and hardly unfair, to call a colonization project like Zionism an “international conspiracy”. That is about what it adds up to. And the same description could be applied to a lot of other colonial projects. And no, that doesn’t put the Zionists in good company.

    • oldgeezer
      oldgeezer
      February 6, 2015, 10:30 am

      @Giles

      If it’s a fact then who are these Jewish people leading the conspiracy?

      And no it’s not a fact. I’m astounded to read that.

      I’ve never heard of 3rd position and know nothing about them but looking at some of their publications they’re clearly racist. I have the tab closed now but one which sticks is the White Declaration of Independance.

      I have major problems with dual citizenship holders in high positions but it’s regardless of whether they’re Israeli, German, British or Martian.

      • February 6, 2015, 10:43 am

        Oldgeezer? I don’t understand what you are saying. Did you read my comments? You seem to think I am defending the list of dual citizens posted by Pixel. I am not. Although clearly all those people listed have loyalty toward Israel, some are not even Jewish and most do not have dual citizenship.

        You are denying the power of the Zionist “Lobby” (it’s clearly far more than that) in the USA and Europe and Canada and New Zealand and Australia? Or that the Lobby is comprised of Jewish folks?

    • oldgeezer
      oldgeezer
      February 6, 2015, 10:59 am

      @Giles

      I accept the existance and power of the zionist lobby. There are many lobbies for many groups. The zionist lobby happens to be quite powerful and successful.

      I reject the notion of a global Jewish conspiracy with undefined (per post) goals and structure.

      It is no more appropriate to use terminology of global conspiracy for Jewish people than it is to talk about a global Palestinian conspiracy just because there are people who support, and work for, their cause in a large number of countries.

      • American
        American
        February 6, 2015, 12:10 pm

        old gezzer

        Agree with the danger of saying ‘jewish’ conspiracy. But am all for exposing the zionist/israel conspiracy.

        We need to realize there are a lot of groups/cabals with ‘agendas’…..call them conspiracies except for the fact they dont remain so ‘secret’.

        They often piggyback each other for mutual benefit. It would be ridiculous to deny that zionist and Israel have a agenda/conspiracy going in the ME—and that they have gone global in their activities to advance it. And they use the Jewish to claim legitimacy for it naturally, because the jewish victimhood taboo acts as shield against having their agenda exposed and condemned.
        This why many like myself keep attacking the jewish victimhood meme–not because we dismiss the holocaust– but because this victimhood mantra is the main weapon the zionist use on the world to advance their agenda.

        There is a big piggybacking of agendas going on with Israel, US Neos and Saudi right now.
        If you missed it this is a good example….https://consortiumnews.com/2015/02/04/al-qaeda-saudi-arabia-and-israel

        “just because there are people who support, and work for, their cause in a large number of countries.”

        It is ‘what’ the cause ‘ is’ that has to be recongized and supported or either wiped out.

        This particular ME conspircy has cost trililons and killed hundreds of thousands in the past decade. It has not cost the people behind it anything, it has cost everyone else. So they do have to be nailed any way you can nail them.

      • February 6, 2015, 12:12 pm

        The Zionist Lobby is far more than a Lobby and far more powerful than the vague “many lobbies for many groups” you reference without providing any detail.

        I reject the notion of a global Jewish conspiracy with undefined (per post) goals and structure –

        I dunno why you throw in the qualifier about undefined goals and structure — the goals and structure are both very well known — but there is beyond any doubt and has been for over a century a Zionist Jewish effort to accumulate great power with the goal of creating a Jewish state occupying all of “Greater Israel”.

        You are being quite disingenuous when pretending the Palestinian people have created a similar structure.

        This is some obvious stuff. Not clear why you are in such denial.

    • ziusudra
      ziusudra
      February 9, 2015, 5:03 am

      Greetings Pixel, seafoid, giles & whomever,
      It ain’t no matter of whom has what religion or dual citzenship. The majority of US citizens that support Zionistan are Christians. They support the hegemonial aims of the US in the ME. In their aims, they’ll comlete the 17thC. of Oliver Cromwellian target of conversion of the Israelis in due time. For the historical mean time, all must help in oppressing the ME. They’ll be widdled away after they help freeing the ME of Islam for the glory of Protestantism in Jerusalem.
      ziusudra

    • ziusudra
      ziusudra
      February 9, 2015, 5:41 am

      Greetings Pixel,
      How many people does it take to control others?
      The Roman Empire had a standing army of 150K for ca. 800yrs. Controlling ca 60 Million People!
      They seldom used more than 30K at a time.
      The UK empire had the same Controlling even more! It is the Standing army in itself that stops most. Simon Wiesenthal was once asked as to how many people were needed to control the camps, he quipped 150K! In 1092 the Ismailiten formed the assassini in Persia. They went straight to the leaders. Today the neo assassini go straight to the pockets of political leaders. We live in clinical modern times.
      ziusudra

    • annie
      annie
      February 5, 2015, 11:41 pm

      i adore her. what courage and what a shame she is no longer in congress.

      she starts talking about aipac at 12:45

    • seafoid
      seafoid
      February 6, 2015, 12:05 am

      How is this linked to David Icke ? He’s very dangerous
      .

      • annie
        annie
        February 6, 2015, 10:40 am

        it’s a UK radio show and i think he partly funds it. doesn’t make her interview less valuable to me tho. her stuff about “the pledge” is very informative and i don’t think she’s making it up. – the garden club – stuff is interesting. and her mention of gus savage and his congressional speech, which can be found here: http://www.sott.net/article/229489-Israel-Lobby-Laying-Out-The-Facts-1990-Congressional-Record-of-Rep-Gus-Savage

        it’s from a couple decades ago but it lays out how the lobby shoveled lots of money (for that era, peanuts now) into a primary race to unseat him. they didn’t win but still, it was very telling. but some of the things he recounted, about published “interviews” in msm chicago papers that trashed him, interviews where he said he never spoke with the reporters. and the way they went after jesses jackson (sexual rumors, nothing about his policies) to pressure him.

        i didn’t think there was anything anti semitic in mcKinney’s interview. unless sh’s making it up, unless it didn’t happen and i don’t think that is the case. i also don’t recall mcKinney saying “aipac total control of US gov”.

    • annie
      annie
      February 6, 2015, 12:29 am

      another must see

    • Marnie
      Marnie
      February 6, 2015, 6:00 am

      They were scared sh#tless of her.

    • jon s
      jon s
      February 6, 2015, 9:16 am

      Seafoid, just another example of the convergence of anti-zionism and anti-semitism, right here on Mondoweiss.
      And here comes Giles with another.

      • Marnie
        Marnie
        February 6, 2015, 10:25 am

        Explain that jon, please? Is Yonah or Hophmi on vacation?

      • Marnie
        Marnie
        February 6, 2015, 10:31 am

        After reading this piece (I’m assuming you did), your contribution is to slander the site? Why are you here? Doesn’t Arutz Sheva, Israel H’Yom, Makor Rishon, Maariv and the NYT give you enough pro-Israeli stories to soothe your soul? You aren’t dealing with congress here Jon – make your demands to them and leave this site alone.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        February 6, 2015, 12:50 pm

        “Seafoid, just another example of the convergence of anti-zionism and anti-semitism, right here on Mondoweiss.
        And here comes Giles with another.”

        Are you saving them, “Jon s”? Because when you collect enough, and turn them in, you can win big prizes! Like this Schwinn 10-speed bicycle, or a real leatherette motorcycle jacket!

        I don’t get it, “Jon s”. There is a constant drumbeat of accusations concerning “the convergence of blah, blah, whatever”. Every day, you all warn us we are but one step from the jackboots, the beer hall and the big putsch. And what, exactly, is all that supposed to accomplish? I’d really like to know. Besides suggesting easy and fun ways to get you spun up, and revealing how easily you (yes you, since you seem to think these things are very significant) were and are manipulated with shibboleths and tropes.

      • February 6, 2015, 1:11 pm

        It is anti-Semitic to acknowledge the existence of the Zionist “Lobby”? Or that it is an international organization?

        What does it say about the current definition of “anti-Semitism” that acknowledgement of obvious facts is said to be anti-Semitic?

        And why can’t you guys ever argue on the facts? You are inevitably reduced to labeling and name calling. What does that say about the correctness of your worldview? Never mind your lack of honor.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        February 7, 2015, 6:36 pm

        “You are inevitably reduced to labeling and name calling.”

        Because, up til now, that has always worked. The idea of having to give an account of themselves which is not based on special pleading and/or privilege has never occurred to them.

        Do you sense the shock they feel at being talked back to?

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        February 7, 2015, 7:04 pm

        Hey, I got a Zionism joke I just made up. Q: Why did the Zionists make the desert bloom, and plant all those pines? A: So they wouldn’t see the forest for the trees!

        Okay, it’s not that funny, but it’s clean!

      • just
        just
        February 7, 2015, 7:54 pm

        Hilarious!!!

        Thank you Mooser!

  10. JLewisDickerson
    JLewisDickerson
    February 6, 2015, 1:14 am

    Medea Benjamin has more integrity in just one of her “pinkies” than Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen has in her entire, bloated body!

    • RockyMissouri
      RockyMissouri
      February 6, 2015, 11:19 am

      TRUTH, IMO.

    • jon s
      jon s
      February 6, 2015, 4:57 pm

      Marnie,
      “Explain that”?
      Sure . There’s a convergence when here on Mondoweiss, an Anti-Zionist blog, a commenter posts a phony “list of dual citizens” , with a link to an Anti-Semitic organization. This is, of course, a minor ,relatively insignificant ,manifestation of this convergence. In Europe -and elsewhere – it’s been expressed in blood.
      As to why am I here- actually, that’s a good question. Maybe I just think that someone should occasionally inject a measure of balance and sanity into the discussion.

      • Marnie
        Marnie
        February 7, 2015, 3:10 am

        “This is, of course, a minor, relatively insignificant ,manifestation of this convergence.” You’ve got the insignificant part down pat, I mean you can definitely be counted on to make mountains out of molehills and see antisemitism lurking in every shadow. You’d be in good company on the boards of the aforementioned rags.

        I’m here because I love the articles, the writers and the comments. Most sites and the MSM are absolutely slick with the slime of the pro-zionist agenda and this is the one spot that is clean, clear and precise.

        “As to why am I here- actually, that’s a good question. Maybe I just think that someone should occasionally inject a measure of balance and sanity into the discussion.” Sorry but that positioned is filled by the moderators and owners of this site – wrong again Hans! Anyway, you’re not up to the task of occasionally injecting “a measure of balance and sanity” into any discussion here. That is one of the most arrogant statements I’ve read here. Maybe you should start your own site? Naw, it’s much easier to sit on the rooftop of some sh&thole settlement and disperse the droppings of sanctimony, entitlement and victimhood on these pages isn’t it?

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        February 7, 2015, 6:01 pm

        “Maybe I just think that someone should occasionally inject a measure of balance and sanity into the discussion.”

        Ah! The bal toyreh is here. All Gentiles and lesser Jews, prepare to be judged on your balance and sanity!

        “In Europe -and elsewhere – it’s been expressed in blood.”

        Is that why Israel will not adopt the system which has proven so beneficial for the Jews in America, equal citizenship for all, with no special privileges or disabilities for Jews? If I was concerned about people persecuting Jews, I would try and figure out which kind of societal and governmental system (as far as any can ) tends to lead to the best results.
        If, of course, that’s what I was concerned about.

  11. jon s
    jon s
    February 6, 2015, 5:12 pm

    Giles,
    You wrote that there’s a global conspiracy, led by Jews. That was your formulation and it’s a classic anti-Semitic theme.

    Of course I recognize the existence of the Zionist lobby. Who doesn’t ? There’s also an Arab lobby . There’s a gun lobby, an anti-gun lobby, pro-choice and pro-life lobbies, a farm lobby, steel lobby, pharma lobby, and many more, and many of those lobbies play hardball politics. That’s the way the system works.

    • seafoid
      seafoid
      February 6, 2015, 5:25 pm

      That may be the way the system works but nobody said the system is coherent,.

      I’m with Finkelstein on this.
      Those warmongering Florida and New York Jews are the worst thing that happened to Israel.

    • February 6, 2015, 5:32 pm

      “You wrote that there’s a global conspiracy, led by Jews .”

      There is. Why do you keep pretending the existence of the Zionist “Lobby” does not exist? Or that it is not global? Not led by people who are Jewish?

      “That was your formulation and it’s a classic anti-Semitic theme.”

      By “that was your formulation” if you mean that is what I said then yes, I did. “Classic anti-Semitic theme” is just the typical strategy of calling truths anti-Semitic.

      “There’s a gun lobby, an anti-gun lobby, pro-choice and pro-life lobbies, a farm lobby, steel lobby, pharma lobby, and many more, and many of those lobbies play hardball politics.”

      The Zionist Lobby is, of course, far more than a Lobby. I don’t recall the NRA, Big Pharma, whomever requiring all Congress people to sign loyalty pledges, as does AIPAC. I don’t recall the NRA getting Wayne LaPierre to speak before Congress and sending people to the meeting to make sure all of Congress enthusiastically cheered everything he said, under the penalty of having your career ended if you did not play ball. I don’t recall even the defense industry pressuring our pols to attack Iran or any other nation. I am unaware of any other “Lobby” that the mainstream media generally will never mention and will certainly never attack. And we have not even mentioned the stranglehold the Lobby has on the Board of the Fed (as far as who is named and who chairs it) and the near absolute control of the propaganda apparatus comprised of Hollywood and the mainstream media. And how the most visible arm of the Lobby — AIPAC — is a lobbying organization for a foreign nation but is not required to register as one.

      This just another Lobby stuff is more of the same old tired hasbara.

      • seafoid
        seafoid
        February 6, 2015, 5:47 pm

        Last goy head of the Fed was in 1979

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chair_of_the_Federal_Reserve

        Why is this ?

      • lysias
        lysias
        February 6, 2015, 6:04 pm

        What you say I think implies that Paul Volcker, Fed Chairman from 1979 to 1987, was Jewish. But was he? His Wikipedia entry says that all four of his grandparents were German immigrants, that he attended a Lutheran church with his mother, and that his father attended an Episcopal church.

    • RoHa
      RoHa
      February 6, 2015, 8:02 pm

      “You wrote that there’s a global conspiracy, led by Jews. That was your formulation and it’s a classic anti-Semitic theme. ”

      It matters not a jot whether it is anti-Semitic or not. What matters is whether it is true.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        February 7, 2015, 6:58 pm

        “What matters is whether it is true.”

        And best of all, that matters more than whether we call it a “conspiracy” or not.

  12. jon s
    jon s
    February 6, 2015, 5:20 pm

    Mooser,
    I wish all we had to deal with “shibolleths and tropes”. Unfortunately, we’re way past that, people have been killed.

    • seafoid
      seafoid
      February 6, 2015, 5:22 pm

      Mostly Palestinians, Jon.
      Totally pointless.

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      February 7, 2015, 6:14 pm

      “Unfortunately, we’re way past that, people have been killed.”

      Cry me a fucking river, “Jon s”. How the hell do you think “Homelands” are established by force? With no deaths?
      Sure, “Jon s” many Jews have been killed, but with our unlimited population resources, and absolutely no questions about being able to retain and discipline young people for the roles they must play in this glorious struggle, we can’t get too sentimental about any one death! Besides, they will occupy high positions in Heaven!

      Wow, “Jon s” you just pour that bloodthirsty sanctimony out on cue. “People have been killed”
      Say, friend, ever give a thought to the Jews that are, I don’t know, still alive, and the ones much younger than us, who will inherit the situations we leave them? But of course, they’re not dead, so I guess, as Jews, they don’t count for much.

      I will forego offending you, “Jon s” by taxing you with anything the Zionists have done to the Palestinians.

  13. cioppa
    cioppa
    February 7, 2015, 12:25 am

    STOP THE MADNESS
    In retribution for Palestine seeking justice through the ICC, the House Foreign Relations Committee today held hearings to withhold the 0.5 billion in humanitarian aid earmarked for Palestine
    At the same time the US gives Israel 3.1 billion a year in military aid much of it used to rain death and destruction upon Palestinians.
    So we not only support death and destruction but we also give our tax dollars to clean up the aftermath of these atrocities. Does that make sense?
    As if that is not bad enough, we give 6 X as much money to cause death and destruction than we do to clean it up.
    The sensible thing is to stop supporting death and destruction and we won’t have to clean it up. A win/win.
    Funding the Israeli apartheid government is not in our best interest and that 3.6 billion dollars would go a long way in rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure and creating thousands of American jobs.

  14. cioppa
    cioppa
    February 7, 2015, 12:29 am

    US CONDEMNS PALESTINIAN BID FOR JUSTICE?
    This summer’s rocket attacks on Israel were a feeble response to several decades of Zionist oppression. They were a Palestinian bid for the same freedom and self-dertemination we cherish as Americans. The Palestinians have no Army, no Navy, and no Air Force to defend themselves against the ruthless Zionist domination funded by the American taxpayer, to the tune of over 8 million dollars a day.
    After decades of failed US led peace talks what are the Palestinians to do to halt the relentless arrogant and illegal seizure of their land on which to build Jewish settlements. The US is now trying to block their appeal to the International Court of Justice. To whom are they to turn for justice?
    How long can this travesty go on? Should Israel be immune from international law?
    Aiding and abetting this incessant obstruction of justice for Palestine and supporting the oppression of a helpless people is not a moral use of my tax dollars.
    If we can’t fix it, let’s not make it worse.
    May justice prevail!

  15. jon s
    jon s
    February 7, 2015, 5:14 am

    Nobody denies that there’s a Zionist lobby, or that AIPAC is an effective, powerful, organization. American Jews, like all citizens, can exercise their right to promote and support a cause they believe in, and it’s perfectly natural and legitimate that many Jews share common values and aspirations.

    All of which does not constitute a conspiracy.

    I checked the dictionary definition:

    conspiracy:
    : a secret plan made by two or more people to do something that is harmful or illegal

    : the act of secretly planning to do something that is harmful or illegal

    The notion of a Jewish world-conspiracy , is “Protocols of the Elders of Zion” stuff.

    • RoHa
      RoHa
      February 7, 2015, 5:59 am

      A much better response than whining about anti-Semitism. I agree that the operations of the Zionists and their supporters are, in general, rather too public to be called a conspiracy.

      I also think that calling it a conspiracy suggests a rather tighter organization, with carefully crafted master plans, than the International pro-Israel movement seems to show.

      They do seem to follow the strategy of the Protocols , but I do not believe there is a bunch of Jews hunched over it saying “This forger had great ideas. Here’s what we do next.”

      • Keith
        Keith
        February 7, 2015, 4:59 pm

        ROHA- “They do seem to follow the strategy of the Protocols….”

        I read the Protocols out of curiosity, but was unable to discern any real action plan. Simply stating that the goal is to control the media and the banks and other powerful organizations is tantamount to wishful thinking. How any of this would have been remotely possible in Czarist Russia is brushed aside. I was somewhat shocked by how crude it was, as well as repetitious and boring. The author(s) seemed to have little understanding of real world political economy. Anyone reading this in the hope of helpful advice on how to make money will be disappointed. That the Protocols represent some sort of secret action plan for young Jews is laughable.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        February 7, 2015, 6:29 pm

        RoHa, I don’t think you understand what is going on here! “Jon s” says there might be anti-semitism. So the discussion must cease immediately! If it doesn’t, why, “Jon s” will, will, well gosh, what will he do?

        Well, anyway, we better not talk like this, cause if we do, “Jon s” won’t think we are nice people. That’s enough to shut my mouth.

    • Cliff
      Cliff
      February 7, 2015, 11:15 am

      Screw lobbying.

      The Israel lobby is unique, jon. There might be an ‘Arab’ lobby as well but it pales in comparison to the Israel lobby in every facet. It’s not even an analogous entity.

  16. jon s
    jon s
    February 7, 2015, 5:17 am

    Seafoid ,
    You’re not making sense (or maybe I’m misunderstanding).
    How is the convergence of anti-Zionism and Anti-Semitism killing Palestinians?

    • Cliff
      Cliff
      February 7, 2015, 11:16 am

      focusing on antisemitism is the only thing you can do jon s

      There is no Jewish State without ethnic cleansing and war.

      There was no Jewish majority without the Nakba and every bit of ethnic cleansing since.

    • seafoid
      seafoid
      February 7, 2015, 4:35 pm

      Jon
      I don’t think the 94 argentina bombings or the 15 charlie grocer killings were antisemitic. If Zionism wants middle east hegemony there is a price. If nobody is safe in Gaza why should anyone be safe in galut? It is the same sick logic.

      Where in the bible did gd give jews a monopoly on the use of political violence ?
      Very distasteful news too about the charging of thousands of dollars to the families of the 4 dead jews for their show burials in west jerusalem.

      • wondering jew
        wondering jew
        February 7, 2015, 5:20 pm

        seafoid- You are unclear regarding your position. Let me restate for clarity sake. The killings are definitely anti semitic in result, as in, the result was clearly a fulfillment of a wish to kill Jews qua Jews. But you are saying since the motivation was not hatred of Jews qua Jews but rather the hatred of Jews qua representatives of Zionism, therefore you feel the motivation should be recognized as the essence rather than the result. but certainly the results are antisemitic.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        February 7, 2015, 6:20 pm

        “. but certainly the results are antisemitic. “

        Wow, every Jew dies, many get very sick, some fail. The results of life are anti-semitic!
        I had no idea it was that bad. Go away, Evil Eye!

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        February 7, 2015, 6:50 pm

        “but certainly the results are antisemitic.”

        “Rabbi” cried the young student as he burst intor the cheder, brandishing a newspaper, “It says here that in 250 million years a comet will collide with earth and destroy all life!”

        Ach, so then it’s all over” said the learned man “I knew it, an anti-Semitic result.”

      • Marnie
        Marnie
        February 8, 2015, 12:39 am

        “I don’t think the 94 argentina bombings or the 15 charlie grocer killings were antisemitic. If Zionism wants middle east hegemony there is a price. If nobody is safe in Gaza why should anyone be safe in galut? It is the same sick logic.”

        So true Seafoid! But that doesn’t sell newspapers, book flights to Israel, guarantee continued settlement expansion or result in the prime minister of zionist state getting an invite to address american congress for the circle jerk.

      • seafoid
        seafoid
        February 8, 2015, 7:42 am

        Yonah
        The appeldoorn mental hospital massacre was antisemitic.

        But actions in the war between Zionism and The middle east are not . You cheered cast lead. So did jon. You tell yourselves it was existential. If hezbollah or the palestinians want to define a balance of power anpy dead jews are collateral damage. Chargeable to zionism.

        By all means ignore international law. But at least try to stay coherent.

      • annie
        annie
        February 8, 2015, 2:35 pm

        Let me restate for clarity sake. The killings are definitely anti semitic in result, as in, the result was clearly a fulfillment of a wish to kill Jews qua Jews.

        yonah, anti semitism is no different than racism, no more and no less. if you can accept the slaughter in gaza as being motivated by israeli racism i can accept the paris supermarket attack as racist. frankly, i think the motive in both is politically motivated, but yes, they are racist too. if the political aim has an ethnic component then racism is incorporated into the crime, of course. (ethnic cleansing of palestine is racist) but it’s not the over-riding feature (which was/is colonialism~ at least that’s probably how history will record stealing all that land). racism seems a more personal crime. but globally, in the societal construct there’s a lot more going on here than racism. the advancement and promotion of islamophobia (in the US and europe) is a tool being applied for other reason~regional domination primarily.

        try not to take it so personally. jews fear of racism against them doesn’t have any more value than a black person or a muslim being scared of people hating them … just because they scream about it more and the press keeps writing about it and it has it’s own separate label. bigots are everywhere, you’re no different than anyone else in that regard.

        edit, i was just thinking of Mohammed Abu Khdeir burned alive after being made to drink gasoline. i just can’t can’t recall everyone screaming “racism” “islamophobia”. yet certainly it was a racist crime, but that was not why he was brutally murdered. it was a revenge killing.

        when you say but certainly the results are antisemitic , i would opine that you would not be fully understanding the crime to limit your perception in such a way. anymore than understanding Abu Khdeir’s murder as islamophobic would suffice.

      • eljay
        eljay
        February 8, 2015, 3:00 pm

        >> Annie: yonah, anti semitism is no different than racism, no more and no less.

        Yup. Lots of people are hated for and killed because of who they are: Amalekites, Tutsis, Arabs, infidels, homosexuals, women, etc.

        And yet there exists this strange notion that if it has to do with Jews, only superlatives need apply:
        – anti-Semitism is the worst form of hatred;
        – the Holocaust is the greatest genocide ever;
        – the “Jewish State” is a “light unto the nations”;
        – the IDF is the “most moral army in the world”;
        – etc.

        Very strange.

  17. jon s
    jon s
    February 7, 2015, 5:27 am

    As to that list again, I figure that the number of members of Congress with dual Israeli-American citizenship is : zero
    On the list of “politicians”: possibly Stanley Fischer.

    • RoHa
      RoHa
      February 7, 2015, 5:35 am

      That’s good. Do you “figure” this on the basis of research you have undertaken?

    • February 7, 2015, 9:11 am

      Stanley Fischer, lined up to be the next Zionist Jew to chair the Fed, is the former head of Israel’s central bank.

      Stanley Fischer took office as a member of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System on May 28, 2014, to fill an unexpired term ending January 31, 2020. He was sworn in as Vice Chairman of the Board of Governors on June 16, 2014. His term as Vice Chairman expires on June 12, 2018.

      Prior to his appointment to the Board, Dr. Fischer was governor of the Bank of Israel from 2005 through 2013.

      Gee, do you think he “possibly” is a dual citizen jon s.?

      • seafoid
        seafoid
        February 7, 2015, 4:15 pm

        If Fischer gets in next neoliberalism will probably blow up on his watch. All those fed jews have left a deeply unstable financial system. Goldman sachs couldn’t grow revenues in q4 14. The system is not working. Maybe we need a few muslims at the fed to tackle usury.

  18. seafoid
    seafoid
    February 7, 2015, 4:10 pm

    Neo cons are extremist warmongering pro israel right wing filth.
    Neo liberals are extremist right wing monetarist one percenter filth
    Where are the neo decent ?

  19. jon s
    jon s
    February 7, 2015, 5:28 pm

    Seafoid,
    If specifically targetting and murdering Jews isn’t Anti-Semitic, I wonder what is.

    Stanley Fischer was considered a success as Governor of the Bank of Israel and I understand that he’s very highly regarded professionally. If he is a dual citizen- that doesn’t disqualify him, in my view.

    Marnie, Sorry if I came across as arrogant, I was trying to explain why I bother to comment here.
    And I certainly don’t live in a settlement. If you read my comments you should know that I’m vehemently opposed to the settlements, I support the two state solution.

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      February 7, 2015, 6:22 pm

      ” If you read my comments you should know that I’m vehemently opposed to the settlements,”

      And you are ready to see the IDF remove them! (Unless, of course, you can suggest another agency capable of doing the job) Good for you, “Jon s”. I’ll hold you to it!

      ” I support the two state solution.”

      Sure, I get it, Israel keeps everything they have taken, no accounting, amnesty for all Israelis, no reparations, and then gets some more “land for peace” and what is left over can be the Palestinian State! And then there’s two states!

    • Marnie
      Marnie
      February 8, 2015, 12:45 am

      I was asking a rhetorical question. Why don’t you try to explain why you post here again though, without the arrogant part. I’m sorry I assumed you live in a settlement, but since we’re both from somewhere else living in a land that was made possible by the treachery of the British followed by the treachery of the United States (that is never ending) and the treachery of the UN, we’re just as bad. Don’t think you or I are better because we don’t live on a settlement. The whole borderless “state” is a settlement.

      • jon s
        jon s
        February 9, 2015, 4:25 pm

        Marnie,
        As I tried to explain, I think it’s worthwhile to try to inject some balance into a blog which is overwhelmingly one-sided. For myself, I don’t see much point in engaging only with people who share my views, what would be the point? I’ve always been interested in trying to understand other points-of-view (one of the reasons why I participated in Israeli-Palestinian encounter groups). Some of the posters on MW are intelligent and knowledgeable, and I find some of the discussions to be intellectually stimulating.

        As to the “treachery of the British” : the ties connecting the Jewish people to our historic homeland predate British involvement. Even modern Zionism was founded prior to British involvement . The British , after the Balfour Declaration and a period of cooperation during the 1920s and 30s, changed their tune, pased the White Paper, and I’m sure you know what the British-Zionist relationship was like in the years leading to 1948. So, in the end, it wasn’t “made possible by the British”, it was despite the British.
        I certainly don’t agree that people who don’t live on settlements are “just as bad”, that there’s no difference. That’s the attitude of Hamas and Hizbullah, and of Netanyahu and Bennet.

      • eljay
        eljay
        February 10, 2015, 10:49 am

        || jon seee: … the ties connecting the Jewish people to our historic homeland … ||

        Palestine was not and is not the “historic homeland” of Jewish people in countries around the world. It was and is the “historic homeland” of its indigenous population and people up to n generations removed from it.

      • Marnie
        Marnie
        February 10, 2015, 3:34 pm

        Jon –
        Do you think “historic homeland” is a magical phrase, like Dorothy clicking her heels together and repeating “there’s no place like home”? The only difference is zionists click their heels together and repeat “there’s no place like someone else’s home”.

      • annie
        annie
        February 10, 2015, 3:50 pm

        “historic homeland” is code for a fabricated emotion humans are supposed to relate to. like longing to stand on the same soil as ones alleged relatives in the bronze age. it’s insane.

      • Kris
        Kris
        February 10, 2015, 4:30 pm

        @annie: ““historic homeland” is code for a fabricated emotion humans are supposed to relate to. like longing to stand on the same soil as ones alleged relatives in the bronze age. it’s insane.

        This is one of the best comments ever!

        Historic-homeland-of-Jews-whose-families-have-been-citizens-of-somewhere-else-for-centuries as a rationale for stealing Palestinian land is not only insane, stupid, and criminal, it also contributes to antisemitism. Not that that’s a downside from Israel’s POV.

  20. Krendall Mist
    Krendall Mist
    February 7, 2015, 6:11 pm

    This account and Josh Ruebner’s in The Hill, the only two I’m aware of, don’t get the room-clearing indicent quite right, and actually miss the real story as a result.

    I was there. What I saw was was a group of arrogant political stooges for whom career and subservience to Zionist power necessary to advancement matter far more than the interests of the the US and the American people. A group of traitors. And I also saw a group so comfortable and arrogant in Israel-first business as usual that they were dumbfounded, absolutely flumoxed, when confronted by average Amercans–“pro-Palestinian activists,” in the words of this scrivener–who made it clear that business as usual is over. Ros-Leitenen, the Madam DeFarge of congressional obeisance to Israel, did not “ask[] the Capitol Police to escort out attendees.” After the boos, outraged at the such insolent rejection of Zionist dominance, Madam stopped the proceedings. But when taking action, she didn’t know what to order the police to do. She didn’t know how to handle it. What came out out, with some hesitation, was a direction to escort “those people” to be removed. With no clearer direction, the cops gestured in the direction of a few obvious suspects–generally, in the vicinity of some of the boos, but more obviously informed by their training in ani-Muslim racial profiling. But after a couple people got up to leave, the crowd itself was confused. One women (I didn’t know it was Benjamin) , standing, said she didn’t make any noise, so could she stay? It was at that point where Madam and the rest of the stooges were caught completely flat footed. The cop in charge, and the other two or three, all looked up in the direction of Madam for some guidance–and were met with a completely blank stare, Madam’s flabby white face devoid of any sign of cogitation, decision, intelligence–imagine a cow, rather than a deer, caught in headlights. Left to figure it out on their own, the cops AND the crowd seemed to decide through a series of reciprocal moves that everyone should leave.

    And that’s the story of this fraudulent “hearing.” The Congressional stooges have seldom or never had to deal with open citizen dissent like this. They have for decades lived in a AIPAC-inflated bubble, never doubting that no one would dare challenge them and the preeminence of the interests of Israel Uber Alles. Last Wednesday, that changed. Those modestly booing, cheering, snickering, chuckling at all the pathetic, insulting and obtuse Israel-first platitudes and debasement of the Palestinian people — they pricked that AIPAC bubble, and those gutless wonders on the “subcommittee” sensed, maybe for the first time in their careers, that the Zionist-fetid environment that has sustained them for so long is beginning to collapse.

    This and Ruebner’s piece depict those who “disrupted” the prceedings as a “contingent” of “pro Palestinian activists” — a limited and “special” interest group pitted against the “Israel lobby.” I would not expect anything different from the “good Zionist” perspective, the “liberal Zionist,” those who would like to shame the US government into actually acting with balance–but otherwise sure to maintain that “special” relationship. That ain’t what I saw. I saw American citizens telling their “representatives”: the Zionist party is over.

    • Kris
      Kris
      February 10, 2015, 4:40 pm

      This is fascinating! Thank you for this great post, Krendall Mist!

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