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New York Times Jerusalem bureau chief Jodi Rudoren lets her imagination run wild, or maybe she’s just not capable of filtering reality out from the land of make believe, but her latest dispatch from Israel– “Israeli Response to Iran Nuclear Deal Could Have Broader Implications” — reflects complete credulousness about the Israeli government’s sense of its own importance. We learn that “Netanyahu is now in a powerful position to undermine the Iran nuclear deal.” No; actually, he isn’t, even if the Israel lobby is working overtime.

Then Rudoren goes on to try and make the case that President Obama owes some sort of compensation to Israel for not kowtowing to Netanyahu’s demands.

Granted, this story was published before Netanyahu’s most recent demand — that final details ironing out the nuclear deal with Iran have to pause to include recognition of Israel’s “right to exist” — got slapped down yesterday by State Department spokesperson Marie Harf; “This is an agreement that doesn’t deal with any other issues, nor should it”.  

Still, it appears that the New York Times did not get the message that Netanyahu got knocked down, left behind and hung out to dry in Lausanne, Switzerland two days ago. He’s been demoted, not the other way around. 

Check out this opening:

It took Mr. Obama about two hours to call Mr. Netanyahu after Thursday’s announcement of a framework agreement to curb Iran’s nuclear program, and this time it was the Israeli leader who lectured the American that the emerging deal “would threaten the survival” of his state.

Leaving aside whether it’s a dis to refer to Obama as “the American”,  the operative word here in Obama calling Netanyahu after Thursday’s nuclear deal announcement with Iran is “after”.

After Obama addressed the nation announcing the deal to the American public and publicly announced to the nation he had not contacted Netanyahu yet — but would, soon. Netanyahu is still sore about this. He came last. Remember, in the olden days at the beginning of Obama’s presidency, American diplomats used to stop by Israel while they were on the other side of the Atlantic before coming home? They’d touch down and clear everything with the Israelis prior to reaching our shores.

This time Israel found out the terms of the deal by spying, informants, you name it.  And a couple hours after Obama’s speech to the nation, only then did he call Netanyahu.

Just ten days ago Rudoren led a front-page story on the unhappy Obama-Netanyahu relationship by quoting Giora Eiland, saying that Obama was naive in blaming and “antagonizing” the Israeli P.M. And here’s Eiland again; Rudoren quotes the former Israeli national security adviser, claiming that Obama “rushed to call” Netanyahu– and then some:

“[B]ecause of this deal, there is a chance that the Americans will try to compensate Israel somehow if we stop fighting against this deal, and we should exploit it in a smart way,” Giora Eiland… said… noting that Mr. Obama “rushed to call” Mr. Netanyahu and “tried to be as nice as he could.”

Rushed? Compensate Israel!? That’s wishful thinking. There’s also a chance Netanyahu will negotiate a Palestinian state. Why would Obama “compensate” Israel right now? Obama owes the man who tried to block negotiations at every turn nothing, he should be taking a victory lap. Besides, he knows full well AIPAC and Emergency Committee for Israel are fighting tooth ‘n nail to bring down this deal in Congress. They’ve announced that loud and clear.

Compensate? Far better to seize the advantage. Netanyahu is not in a powerful position to undermine the Iran nuclear deal. He played that card already in a big grand way and came out looking the fool. And what’s this?

Mr. Eiland was one of several Israeli analysts who said the emphasis should turn to strengthening the verification procedures in the deal and clarifying the consequences if Iran violates it. “If Netanyahu chooses this option, at least we can gain some other benefits from the situation…”

All this essentially means is that Israel/Netanyahu are trying to stick their heads in and over see what’s going on so as to pressure the US. That’s what they’ve always done. It’s wishful thinking to think they can now “gain .. benefits” by tagging on.

Rudoren dutifully reports all this BS without thinking about how it undermines the NYT’s credibility as a detached observer. Eiland says:

“The time has come to make a real reassessment in regard to the Israel-American relationship.”

Yes, they should have thought about that before Netanyahu came to Congress to try and undermine the president. Israel is now on the bottom rung of the ladder and this “analyst” thinks it’s time to reassess the relationship? Sorry, Mr. Eiland, but the U.S. beat you to it.

And maybe Rudoren thinks we have short attention spans:

Though Israeli and American officials have long denied any link between the Iranian and Palestinian issues, the two are playing out simultaneously.

Did she forget the highly publicized first White House meeting of Obama and Netanyahu– in which Netanyahu said “Iran” and Obama said “negotiations” for a two state solution. Netanyahu tried to leverage one against the other, and Obama said no. And now, Netanyahu wants to cash in on the deal because he wouldn’t play ball? Seriously, it’s crazy logic. He lost. He didn’t win. So no, he doesn’t get the US to back off on Jerusalem, the illegal settlements, or anything else. She allows Eiland to tell Americans how to handle Israel. Never pressure it!

Don’t push us to the corner in the Palestinian arena, make sure you’re not going to be against us in the U.N.

Rudoren seems to swallow the Israeli government claims hook line and sinker. Two weeks ago she quoted former Israeli ambassador Dore Gold telling Obama to get over his pique about Netanyahu and stop leaking false stories about Israel. And today she gives Gold three paragraphs to run down Obama’s deal:

“If the final agreement reflects what’s in this framework, we’re talking about something that is nothing less than a historical error.”

And she throws in a neoconservative Washington thinktank’s claims that the deal will “supercharge Iranian aggression in the region.” So she manages to cite both the Foundation for Defense of Democracies and the Jerusalem Council for Public Affairs in the same story. And not a Palestinian or Iranian in sight.

Rudoren’s mind-frame has become thoroughly indoctrinated into the Israeli narrative; so enveloped by that mentality that her “analysis” isn’t analysis, it’s just rightwing Israeli propaganda. I won’t go so far as to say she’s purposely manipulative. I’ll chalk it up to too much Koolaid.

Update:

Frequently prescient Haaretz journalist Chemi Shalev sees the writing on the wall. “Netanyahu  faces new danger in U.S. following Iran deal: Being ignored“, is a good read. He doesn’t call Netanyahu a fool like we did, but he did take it to another level by mentioning U.S. officials debated whether Netanyahu’s nutty demand for Israeli recognition in the final P5+1 Iran deal was “more far-fetched or more pathetic”:

Add to this the serious damage that Netanyahu brought on himself with his election-eve statements on Palestinian statehood and Israeli Arabs voting – and the possibly cynical decision by the administration to amplify them in order to further erode Netanyahu’s credibility. Netanyahu hasn’t reached the level of hyperbolic hysteria of right-wing polemicist Thomas Sowell – who labelled a deal with Iran “the most catastrophic decision in human history”, no less – but he seems to be closing in fast. His new demand from deep left field to stipulate that Iran recognize Israel as a precondition to any nuclear accord was summarily dismissed in public by the State Department, but in private the officials’ reactions went from ridiculous to pathetic.

And he doesn’t stop there.

 

Thanks to Phil Weiss

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  1. Krauss
    Krauss
    April 4, 2015, 2:45 pm

    I read that piece and I was astounded.

    Yes, Jodi is the most notorious hack for Israel the NYT has seen in a very long time but it is like she doesn’t even bother to fake even-handedness anymore.

    Can anyone please mention a single issue that the NYT covers in which it is so perfectly aligned with the Republican agenda? Their Israel coverage is basically Likudikian/Republican.

    After the Rasmussen poll showing that the democratic base now views Mexico as a better ally than Israel, the NYT is becoming alienated to their own readership base.

    This is truly spectacular when you think about it, when you compare it to how they reacted to white Apartheid. It seems Jewish apartheid deserves special treatment in their eyes.

    • annie
      annie
      April 4, 2015, 2:54 pm

      krauss, it is so overladen w/ fantasy one would have to be blind not to notice. how can they try passing this off as journalism? it’s completely over the top. compensate us since we’re the losers. seriously. does it ever occur to them they owe us something? ever? could they call off their attack dogs operatives please?

      no, there’s no pause, no reflection, no nothing. a demand israel’s “right to exist” be mentioned in the deal (absurd) and now compensation? it’s mind-boggling. i hope she looks back on this someday and realizes what she’s doing to her reputation as a journalist.

      • JWalters
        JWalters
        April 4, 2015, 8:55 pm

        Thanks for the very thorough demolition of this ridiculous fantasy spin. It should play well on campuses. Looks to me like a desperate attempt to keep the faithful from falling into despair, or even worse, start thinking for themselves. These card houses are becoming flimsier and flimsier. Blast away!

      • weiss
        weiss
        April 5, 2015, 11:21 am

        Great article Annie!

        “Rudoren’s mind-frame has become thoroughly indoctrinated into the Israeli narrative; so enveloped by that mentality that her “analysis” isn’t analysis, it’s just rightwing Israeli propaganda… ”

        So true about the dual Us-Israeli citizen the “Wicked Witch of The East”…

        Especially considering the fact that her son served in the IDF.

      • chet
        chet
        April 5, 2015, 2:53 pm

        Is it not obvious that she is so thoroughly indoctrinated that she does not have the slightest concern about her reputation as a journalist.

      • Blownaway
        Blownaway
        April 5, 2015, 3:02 pm

        Ruderon seems to have got caught up in the hubris of Israelis. They are supremely arrogant and while they will get their comeuppance they are dangerous until then. As I said to my friend Netanya who? Shoukd be his new name

  2. Philip Munger
    Philip Munger
    April 4, 2015, 3:03 pm

    this time it was the Israeli leader who lectured the American…..

    She should just surrender her American passport, eh? At least she didn’t call it “Obamadeal.”

  3. pabelmont
    pabelmont
    April 4, 2015, 3:32 pm

    Annie, thanks for unpacking this story — which I’ve not read BTW. What appears to me now is that it would be a very good thing if the USA continues to tell Netanyahu and the Israelis — gently but firmly, as the spox did with the NO TO Iran recognizing Israel — that their day of dictating to him has run. Be good if someone notable wrote to NYT to make comments in line with your own about this special pleading by Israel via the megaphone-for-Israel Rudoren. Actually, maybe she has (unwittingly perhaps) set them up for a bigger fall. Created a very visible target for some Obama higher-up to blast.

    A possible “blast” to Israel and the Republicans and the Israel-Dems:

    You know, the USA and others of P5+1 are pleased with the Iran deal and will follow through on the details as carefully and cautiously as they worked on the present framework. The USA thanks all the governments in the Middle East which have expressed concerns with the process of making the Iran “deal” but points out that this negotiation was between Iran and P5+1 and will continue that way

  4. Bandolero
    Bandolero
    April 4, 2015, 3:33 pm

    “After”

    One more detail. Obama called Netanyahu directly “after” he spoke about the deal with some important people in the region. Quote JPost:

    Obama already called Saudi Arabia’s King Salman bin Abdulaziz al-Saud to discuss the deal. He invited Salman and the Gulf Cooperation Council to Camp David for a summit to continue conversations on Iran.

    http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Politics-And-Diplomacy/Obama-to-call-Netanyahu-reassure-US-support-for-Israel-after-historic-agreement-on-Iran-396060

    So we see how “the American” rushed to speak with Big Bibi after the deal to listen to his “lectures.”

    • annie
      annie
      April 4, 2015, 5:07 pm

      exactly bandelero. and did you read this:

      And this is rich. The Gulf Cooperation Council is getting red carpet treatment from President Obama. But no invitations to Netanyahu to come to the States.

      And are we to expect that prime minister of Israel, Prime Minister Netanyahu, will come to Camp David as well?

      MS. HARF: I don’t think that’s what the President announced, Said.

      QUESTION: And I know he did not announce.

      MS. HARF: I think he talked about the GCC.

      QUESTION: Is that something to be expected?

      MS. HARF: I would – I have no way to answer that question. I have not heard anything about that. I have nothing to read out in terms of possible meetings with Prime Minister Netanyahu. The President spoke with him. Our – his views on this are clear, but I haven’t heard anything indicating that he would be coming to the United States.

      – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2015/04/season-spinning-begins#sthash.4PwMntA5.dpuf

      • Bandolero
        Bandolero
        April 4, 2015, 8:41 pm

        Annie

        There’s nothing sweet in this red carpet treatment for the Saudi king.

        Obama will likely ask the Saudi king in Camp David to swallow some bitter political pills or see his kingdom vanish. What Obama likely will demand there from King Salman is:

        1) Saudi Arabia must align with Obama in his fight against Netanyahu and not the other way round, and also influence it’s allies to do this, especially GCC, Jordan, Egypt, Morocco and Pakistan
        2) Saudi Arabia must end hostility with Iran and the resistance and cooperate with Iran on regional issues, including Palestine. Iran has already said it’s willing to cooperate with the Saudis.
        3) Stop Saudi’s stupid war on Yemen, and go out of this with a defeat coated in face-saving sugar

        If King Salman refuses to do this, Obama will promise King Salman to stop politically supporting Saudi’s war on Yemen, open UNSC doors to sanctions and ICC prosecution against Saudia, and Obama will not come to the Saudis rescue, when the Houthis march through Saudia to conquer Riyadh.

        Al Manar today announced that following the call for general mobilization, which the Houthis announced after the beginning of the Saudi bombing campaign, so far 642.000 Yemini people signed up with the Houthis to voluntarily fight against the Saudis:

        https://twitter.com/almanarnews/status/584433388196536321

        Netanyahu can do nothing to save the Saudi king from the consequences of his own stupid decision to wage war against Yemen, but Obama and Iran can.

      • annie
        annie
        April 4, 2015, 10:56 pm

        thanks bandelero. interesting. i really need to brush up on the ins and outs of this topic. SA and yemen. taxi wrote a fascinating analysis of this topic today at her new blog. https://platosguns.wordpress.com/2015/04/04/american-empires-vision-of-a-new-middle-east/

        We’ve read much analysis on why Saudi Arabia is attacking Yemen and heard accusations of criminal hypocrisy against the USA for supporting Saudi Arabia’s attack on the poorest country in the Arabian Peninsula. But we haven’t yet established why the USA would allow yet another destabilizing war in the Mideast, a violent war taking place right at the gates of the world’s largest oil fields.

        On the surface, it would seem odd that the USA would approve of a war that could easily get out of control and threaten to jeopardize global industries and the health of our global economy. But… there is method in Empire’s madness.

        America intends to remove the House of Saud from power.

        ….con’t

        btw, OT, but i don’t think phil’s reference to “this is rich” is synonymous with “sweet”, in case that’s how you read it.

      • NickJOCW
        NickJOCW
        April 5, 2015, 7:38 am

        Bandolero

        Your perspective raises the question how ready the Saudis might be to fall in line. If you pour highly sophisticated weapons into an area for decades you inevitably call into being a significant new social pyramid, a large element of which necessarily includes an elite highly trained and motivated group of younger men to operate them, a group psyched up to look for trouble and respond to it. Something like an unstable Fukushima may have been created in the area and I wonder if the US alone can stabilise it now it has started to rumble.

      • Bandolero
        Bandolero
        April 5, 2015, 11:05 am

        Annie
        Thanks a lot for your reference to Taxis great blog article. Yes, it looks like big “change” is underway, and this time the cards are not stacked in Israels favour anymore.

        Nick
        As I’m pessimistic that the Saud’s are able to deliver the policy changes demanded from them to get that whole chaos stopped, I expect the House of Saud to be removed from power, and, possibly, “their” country, Saudi Arabia, being split up, perhaps not formally, but de facto, into two or three.

  5. dx
    dx
    April 4, 2015, 3:36 pm

    As I was reading this NYT article late last night, I actually stopped twice to check to see if missed the words “opinion” or maybe even “analysis” or something that indicated that this was not to be read as a straight, factual presentation of news was written near the title. I could not believe that anyone would think we/America needed to “compensate” Israel in any way for anything at all ever, let alone forging anti-nuke deal. Talk about unmitigated gall. It’s just arrogance that knows no end. On the bright side, even Bill O’Reilly came out in favor of giving the deal a chance. So did Pat Buchanan. Because the alternatives are just war and war and war. And then Netanyahu’s “right to exist” ploy–he really never misses a chance to show his completely overblown sense of self-importance.

  6. irishmoses
    irishmoses
    April 4, 2015, 3:49 pm

    Annie,
    This was a truly outstanding article and piece of analysis.
    Congratulations.
    I’d read Rudoren’s article before and was annoyed by several things but I hadn’t picked up on it’s total lack of objectivity or that it really was little more than an AIPAC propaganda piece.
    Thank you.

    • annie
      annie
      April 4, 2015, 5:10 pm

      thank you very much irishmoses, appreciated.

    • Denis
      Denis
      April 4, 2015, 5:44 pm

      Agree completely — this one stands out as a MW Top 40. The only down side is that now I have to wade through Rudoren’s zio-shtick to get the full effect of annie’s take-down.

      “…the operative word here … is after.” Great line. I gotta’ stop laughing before dinner or I’ll choke on my pizza.

      But what concerns me is that neither Rudoren nor Obama are the fat lady, and this thing ain’t over ’til she sings. We have a long way to go before this preliminary agreement to agree in principle pending further talks and new deadlines can be considered a win for anybody. A long way to go. Deadlines come, deadlines go, IRI keeps digging deeper into the mountain. . .as any sane country would do having been threatened by the likes of GoI.

      • NickJOCW
        NickJOCW
        April 5, 2015, 4:38 am

        Denis, There will be no win for anyone. The game is timeless. The only end would be the overthrow of the board and there is only one entity to whom that might even occur.

  7. HarryLaw
    HarryLaw
    April 4, 2015, 3:51 pm

    Netanyu sure has chutzpah, backing the Republicans against Obama in the Presidential race, then continually stabbing Obama in the back, and then trying to humiliate the President with that sneaky Congressional appearance, then to ask for compensation, you could not make it up. At least Rudoren did not refer to Obama as the Kenyan.

    • JWalters
      JWalters
      April 4, 2015, 9:03 pm

      So maybe there’s hope. On the other hand, perhaps her editor cut that out.

      • Citizen
        Citizen
        April 5, 2015, 3:32 am

        Obviously Rudoren’s body grew up in the USA, but her mind didn’t. There’s nothing American about her.

      • wondering jew
        wondering jew
        April 6, 2015, 3:23 am

        citizen tells us: There’s nothing American about her. As if American is a purely militaristic state of mind. ultimately the charge of dual loyalty is whose army and whose bullets do you favor? america’s or israel’s? and if you favor israeli bullets then your loyalty belongs there. but now citizen tells us that there is nothing american about her. thus it is revealed that bullets is all that counts to citizen. there is nothing cultural about america, there is no content to america except that american bullets are citizen’s bullets and american bullets are not rudoren’s bullets.

      • annie
        annie
        April 6, 2015, 12:15 pm

        As if American is a purely militaristic state of mind.

        ah, no. that wasn’t the reference. At least Rudoren did not refer to Obama as the Kenyan.

        how did she refer to him in the article? “the American”

        that’s cultural. american journalists don’t generally reference the prez as “the American” even when insulting him. it sounds distinctly foreign.

        i’m gong to chalk this up as another of your strawmen. launching off with “as if” and then arguing your “as if”.

        ultimately the charge of dual loyalty is whose army and whose bullets do you favor?

        no, it isn’t. it’s the location of starting point in ones mindframe. it doesn’t have to be related to an army it can be related to where your heart lies or what you consider to be your natural home. seriously, this tells us a lot more about you that anyone else.

      • wondering jew
        wondering jew
        April 6, 2015, 4:43 pm

        Back in the day, 1968 or so, if some student screamed “Ho, ho, ho chi minh, ho chi minh is going to win,” that student could be accused of treachery of being a traitor. but i would not go so far as to say, “there is nothing American about her”. Do you really think that rudoren’s disrespect towards the president by going into a narrative voice that accepts them both as leaders as the understood and wishes to label them purely by their nationality rather than including their leadership position, do you really think that this is worse than “ho, ho, ho chi minh…” or do you think that student can be described as “there is nothing american about her.” i think such a description is a mark of intolerance, a mark of someone who does not accept nuance, who is so intent on “whose side are you on?” that he has gone into the language of hatred, exclusion and excommunication. by law rudoren is american, by culture rudoren is american, but citizen now is not only citizen but in charge of who gets to keep their citizenship and who gets to be called an american. and you defend him?! or maybe it’s only my awkward phrasing that you are attacking and you too realize that citizen’s words are words of intolerance.

      • annie
        annie
        April 6, 2015, 9:51 pm

        you defend him?

        actually i neither defended him or addressed his comment. i addressed your strawman and allegations about the military and dual loyalty.

        yonah, you’re trying too hard and playing hop scotch in many threads. ie: you just launched into an accusation of ” hatred, exclusion and excommunication.” that is not what i would call “awkward phrasing” that is what i would call hyperbolic bloviation. no one accused her of treachery for heavens sake or threatened to take away her citizenship. this is all in your mind.

        and speaking of not accepting “nuance”, there’s not a lot of nuance in rudoren’s article. my suggestion, not that you’re interested, would be to stick to the words people say. if you want clarification for what someone means, ask them. if you don’t like what they said tell them why. but spare us the melodrama and false analogies.

      • wondering jew
        wondering jew
        April 6, 2015, 10:41 pm

        annie- “There’s nothing american about her” apparently is an innocuous sentence that deserves indifference or respect. it is i who am bloviating when i consider it an act of exclusion.

        Listen. mondoweiss touts itself as the war of ideas. but you fight your war, in the comments section, by not allowing me to comment in real time and then you accuse me of hopscotching and ad hominem attacks, when i have only attacked words, ideas and policy statements and not people. How can I hopscotch when you determine when and if my comments are published. how is this a war of ideas, when you insist on fighting me on your terms and not on level (real time) playing ground. you are incapable of fighting an even field war of ideas. only by tying one arm behind my back (delaying my comments) are you able to fight me. your idea of a war of ideas, is playing childish games and pretending as if you are about ideas.

      • annie
        annie
        April 7, 2015, 1:08 am

        first off “I” am not “not allowing me[you] to comment in real time”. if you have an issue w/the fact we have moderation here take it up w/phil and adam, it’s not my rule. i “determine” when your comments get published (if no one else is moderating) because i have a life outside of mondoweiss, and when that life involves taking an hr or two off to watch this:http://mondoweiss.net/2015/04/finkelstein-and-dershowitz/comment-page-1#comment-759666 it means not just you, but everyone has to wait. because i am not your slave.

        How can I hopscotch when you determine when and if my comments are published.

        when you jump from my commentary on iran an nukes to “Your goal is for Iran to have a bomb” [notice how that got trashed?] “you have one goal: making it easy for Iran to get a bomb.” [notice how that got trashed?] “you define good as expediting an Iranian nuke ” [notice how that got trashed?]..that’s what i mean by hopsotching.

        you’re moderated because you’re a liar. you take liberties in the “war of ideas” that cheat (like putting words and ideas in my mouth i did not say, for rhetorical point scoring). try changing instead of expecting us to create space for your lies. try modifying your behavior.

        look on the bright side, unlike the israeli gov you support, i won’t be bombing your family to get you to change your ways. i won’t be bulldozing your house or imprisoning the children in your family or cutting off your electricity or stealing your land or anything like that. i promise. all you will have to endure is having your lies about me (and others) not be published here. i know, it’s a very hard price to pay, not being able to lie about the moderator. cry me a river.

        when i have only attacked words

        actually, you didn’t attack the words spoken. as i have pointed out numerous times (wrt your strawmans) you have attacked your manipulated interpretation of others words.

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        April 7, 2015, 2:28 am

        “because i have a life outside of mondoweiss,”

        See, there’s your problem. We want total, 27 hour per day, concentrated dedication to moderating our posts. Especially mine.

        Give up those frivolous extra-curricular activities (family? paying job?) and get to work!

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        April 7, 2015, 11:54 am

        ” How can I hopscotch when you determine when and if my comments are published. how is this a war of ideas, when you insist on fighting me on your terms and not on level (real time) playing ground. you are incapable of fighting an even field war of ideas. only by tying one arm behind my back (delaying my comments) are you able to fight me. your idea of a war of ideas, is playing childish games and pretending as if you are about ideas.”

        Yonah, “Blogger” is free! Word Press blogs are free. Heck, your ISP probably gives you a web-page.
        I thought you are a Zionist, Yonah? Well, then, don’t stay trapped here in the Mondoweiss ghetto, GO START YOUR OWN BLOG!!!! The Anti-Mondo! You, and Hophmi, and JeffyB could start it, since you all agree on everything!

        For G-D’s (and BTW, I use a capital “-” , too!) sake, Yonah, you described perfectly the disadvantage, the anti-Semitism, you struggle under here! Make ali oops to the Promised Land of your own blog!

        Besides, all you can do here is confirm the settler mentality, Yonah. Somebody else makes a blog, and you come to settle on it like you’re entitled. Why play into a stereo-type like that? Doesn’t look good, you know, ‘give ’em an el….’

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        April 7, 2015, 11:57 am

        “How can I hopscotch when you determine when and if my comments are published. how is this a war of ideas, when you insist on fighting me on your terms and not on level (real time) playing ground. you are incapable of fighting an even field war of ideas.”

        My Yonah, you have some highly developed and objective ideas about war, don’t you? Yup Yonah, you see war as it really is, with no romantic stuff from books or movies. Yup “war” is a fair fight!

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        April 7, 2015, 11:59 am

        “you’re moderated because you’re a liar.”

        Thank you, Annie. It’s about time somebody said it in plain language.

        “or cutting off your electricity”

        Gee, don’t rule that out, Annie. That can be a life-saving act under certain circumstances.

  8. amigo
    amigo
    April 4, 2015, 4:38 pm

    Rudoren is on the latest version of ziocaine.

    Neoziocaine.

    • annie
      annie
      April 4, 2015, 4:41 pm

      i know. i was very tempted to use that term (ziocaine) instead of koolaide. ;)

      • amigo
        amigo
        April 4, 2015, 4:51 pm

        Thanks for the reply Annie and the article.I had read this earlier.Is it me or is desperation showing on the zionist side.They are grabbing on to any piece of flotsam and jetsam passing their way.

      • annie
        annie
        April 4, 2015, 5:15 pm

        i’m not sure they’re aware of how desperate they sound. i about fell off my chair when i read netanyahu’s demand the P5+1 deal mention israel’s right to exist. it’s astonishing, the gall. who do they think they are? like some regional pip squeak wanting to be individually mentioned. it’s so out of line it’s hard to fathom they can’t see that. but i do think they are perhaps just tone deaf. so full of themselves they’re blinded by the light of their own imagined glory, self importance ..or something.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        April 4, 2015, 6:12 pm

        “i know. i was very tempted to use that term (ziocaine) instead of koolaide. ;)”

        But you wisely decided to forgo the term “ziocaine, since you are aware that the latest research indicates the Ziocaine Syndrome is entirely a behavioral and emotional malady.
        Both the chemical intoxication and hereditary hypothesis have been discarded.
        However, the jury is still out on brain parasites. Pesky little critters, those brain parasites.

  9. traintosiberia
    traintosiberia
    April 4, 2015, 4:55 pm

    Billo Kristolo would offer his future backward in a past tense oneday- ” I supported the negotiation. Iran should be grateful to the Zionist” . That’s they these insects survive the deluge and firestorm of the changes.

  10. traintosiberia
    traintosiberia
    April 4, 2015, 5:01 pm

    “The Emergency Committee for Israel, led by William Kristol, editor of the conservative Weekly Standard, spent $960,000 to support Mr. Cotton. In that same race, a firm run by Paul Singer, a hedge fund billionaire from New York and a leading donor to pro-Israel causes, contributed $250,000 to Arkansas Horizon, another independent expenditure group supporting Mr. Cotton. Seth Klarman, a Boston-based pro-Israel billionaire, contributed $100,000 through his investment firm.”
    The political action committee run by John Bolton, the United Nations ambassador under President George W. Bush and an outspoken supporter of Israel, spent at least $825,000 to support Mr. Cotton. That PAC is in part financed by other major pro-Israel donors, including Irving and Cherna Moskowitz of Miami, who contributed 99 percent of their $1.1 million in 2012 races to Republican candidates and causes.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/05/us/politics/gops-israel-support-deepens-as-political-contributions-shift.html?partner=socialflow&smid=tw-nytimes&_r=0

    http://www.nyt.com

  11. JLewisDickerson
    JLewisDickerson
    April 4, 2015, 5:24 pm

    RE: Then Rudoren goes on to try and make the case that President Obama owes some sort of compensation to Israel for not kowtowing to Netanyahu’s demands: “Don’t push us to the corner in the Palestinian arena, make sure you’re not going to be against us in the U.N.”

    IN OTHER WORDS (RUDORIN ONLY HINTS AT IT): If Obama wants to keep Netanyahu/Israel from blocking the Iran deal, he needs to sacrifice (i.e., sh · t upon) the Palestinians! ! !

    MY COMMENT: Jodi Rudoren is a pathetic excuse for a journalist. Amira Hass (blessed be she!) has more journalistic integrity in just one of her eyelashes than Rudoren has in her entire body.
    The New York Times has truly found its new Judith Miller!

    • annie
      annie
      April 4, 2015, 5:36 pm

      IN OTHER WORDS (RUDORIN ONLY HINTS AT IT): If Obama wants to keep Netanyahu/Israel from blocking the Iran deal, he needs to sacrifice (i.e., sh · t upon) the Palestinians! ! ! – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2015/04/compensate-netanyahu-propaganda/comment-page-1#comment-759181

      exactly, it’s like the 1st time they met at the WH, netanyahu said let’s do iran first and then we can talk about that other issue. so now it’s as if ‘well you got your way on iran so now i get my way’, like a trade off! it’s the same mentality of using iran to get their way over the settlements. had netanyahu gotten his way on iran (like israel did on iraq) they would have used the momentum to squish palestine, to add more settlements. so either way you throw the dice the end is the same “give us what we want- free reign in palestine”.

      he really reminds me of a spoilt child. completely oblivious to how transparent this all is – one track mind. and for these ‘analysts’ to be putting this forward like it’s some kind of logical or wise idea is incredulous.

      • JLewisDickerson
        JLewisDickerson
        April 4, 2015, 5:57 pm

        RE: “[Netanyahu] really reminds me of a spoilt child. completely oblivious to how transparent this all is” ~ Annie Robbins

        FROM MERRIAM-WEBSTER.COM (huckster) :

        huckster
        noun | huck·ster | \ˈhək-stər\
        : someone who sells or advertises something in an aggressive, dishonest, or annoying way

        P.S. As far as I’m concerned, Likudnik Israel is the “Praxis of Evil”! ! !

        FROM MERRIAM-WEBSTER.COM (praxis) :

        praxis
        noun | prax·is | \ˈprak-səs\
        plural prax·es \-ˌsēz\
        Definition of PRAXIS
        1
        : action, practice: as
        a : exercise or practice of an art, science, or skill
        b : customary practice or conduct
        2
        : practical application of a theory

      • JLewisDickerson
        JLewisDickerson
        April 4, 2015, 11:56 pm

        RE: “he [Netanyahu] really reminds me of a spoilt child” ~ Annie

        MY REPLY: Spare the rod and spoil the child client state!

      • oldgeezer
        oldgeezer
        April 5, 2015, 12:23 am

        Well if nothing else bibi is an excellent nickname for a spoiled petulant child.

        It doesn’t encompass the rank racism and violence but it’s a start.

      • Boomer
        Boomer
        April 6, 2015, 6:56 am

        Can you blame Israel for thinking their strategy will work for them? It has worked very well indeed for as long as I can remember.

    • JLewisDickerson
      JLewisDickerson
      April 4, 2015, 5:43 pm

      P.S. I can only assume that Jodi Rudoren is angling to become a member of the premier neocon think stink tank, the Council on Foreign Relations [like her mentor, Judith Miller (and the convicted felon, Elliott Abrams)]!

    • JLewisDickerson
      JLewisDickerson
      April 4, 2015, 9:01 pm

      P.P.S. FROM THE BRADSTER:
      Was Netanyahu Win Actually GOOD for Palestine?; That and Much More on the KPFK ‘BradCast’
      GUESTS: Estee Chandler; Ernest Canning…
      By BRAD FRIEDMAN on 3/25/2015 2:35pm PT

      Was Netanyahu/Likud’s win last week in Israel the best possible outcome for Palestinians? While it seems counter-intuitive at first blush, some who follow Israeli/Palestinian politics very closely say it was.

      My guest on this week’s Pacifica Radio BradCast, Estee Chandler of JewishVoiceForPeace.org and the producer/co-host of KPFK’s Middle East in Focus program believes that is the case and tells me why. She offers a different (and very welcome) perspective than the Right/Left (and now, sadly, Republican/Democratic) narrative we’ve heard so much of from most of the media since last week’s election.

      LINK TO AUDIO – http://bradblog.com/?p=11094

  12. just
    just
    April 4, 2015, 5:55 pm

    Super dissection and analysis, Annie! I linked to a story about Judy Miller from The Guardian earlier today; she produced a piece in the WSJ claiming victimhood wrt Iraq. No apology for being a PNAC lying mouthpiece., or to the millions of people she hurt with her lies.

    http://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/apr/03/judith-miller-essay-wmd-saddam-hussein-iraq-war

    Rudoren is cut from the same bolt of cloth. She’s not a “journalist”~ she’s a shill for Israel. If the NYT wants to keep her, she should be on the opinion pages. The NYT continues to be a propaganda “news” rag for war, and for Israel.

    (I wonder if you saw this re: that other “journalist”, Caroline Glick:

    No real surprise that Caroline Glick is in charge of this racist and hateful dreck:

    “Israeli right-wing comedy group draws ire with anti-Arab TV skit

    Israel Broadcasting Authority refuses to air sketch implying Jewish woman who married an Arab man was murdered by her husband; group has since removed video from its Facebook page. …

    …Viewers called on others to complain directly to the publically-funded Israel Broadcasting Authority. Later the IBA said it would not broadcast the sketch, the Walla website reported.

    Viewers compared the sketch to Nazi racial laws and propaganda. “Why is this racist garbage on public television?” said one.

    In the video, the woman in the monologue first appears in a short, revealing dress, saying she has met a tanned rapper who doesn’t drink. Next she appears in a long skirt and long sleeves, saying her mother is complaining about her dating an Arab – who is wonderful, and she doesn’t even miss the beer. Next she is married – and with a hijab covering her head. Next she appears with their son – and even more covered up – she says how her husband explained to her the true ways of Allah, with two slaps and a belt. Finally she appears veiled with more children, saying her husband told her he decided to take a second wife – and the skit ends with the implication of her death, saying it was a shame she said anything.

    Caroline Glick, senior contributing editor of the Jerusalem Post, is the editor in chief of the show, Hakol Shafit, which is in the form of a mock news broadcast aired on Thursday nights. The show went on the air in early February and is the outgrowth of Latma’s “Tribal Update” show. Latma was formed in 2008 in what they the group says was a response to the leftist and one-sided leanings of the Israeli media.”)

    http://www.haaretz.com/life/movies-television/1.650353?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

    Perhaps Rudoren and Glick should team up.

  13. wondering jew
    wondering jew
    April 4, 2015, 5:59 pm

    The implied story is that Bibi is threatening to do his utmost to undercut the treaty in the Congress, unless Obama promises to cease and desist on his plans to impose a two state solution through a UN security council resolution. The idea of punishing Bibi might provide some of the emotional energy of the administration in the direction of a new UN security council resolution, but in fact 242 was a failure and a new resolution is in fact necessary. This article in the times is a reflection of a type of negotiation that’s going on about the content of that UN security council resolution. akiva eldar and others including the late david landau in rather colorful language are in favor of imposing a solution on israel (and on the palestinians) and bibi’s misplaying of his cards has created a golden opportunity for the US to step into the breach of the historic moment and pass a new UN security council resolution that has the specificity that 242 lacked. how specific can obama and the french, who will be the primary negotiators, get? i don’t know. but that’s the scene behind the scene.

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      April 5, 2015, 12:33 pm

      ” but that’s the scene behind the scene.”

      We are very lucky to have an in-the-know, behind-the-scenes expert to keep us informed. Somebody who sees beyond the facades and and past the chimeras. A man who has special access to the top players.

  14. just
    just
    April 4, 2015, 6:04 pm

    Wow!!! Chemi Shalev:

    “Netanyahu’s faces new danger in U.S. following Iran deal: Being ignored

    The State Department quickly dismissed Netanyahu’s new demand that Tehran recognize Israel as U.S. officials debated if it was more far-fetched or more pathetic.

    It was Elie Wiesel, one of Benjamin Netanyahu’s great admirers, who once said, in another context: “The opposite of love isn’t hate. It’s indifference”. This is the emerging nature of the prime minister’s current relations with the Obama administration and with liberal public opinion in America: instead of sparking anger, Netanyahu is being increasingly ignored. Netanyahu claims the new Iran agreement is “a threat to the survival of Israel?” Nu, shoyn, as they say in Yiddish: “Hot er gezogt.” So he said.

    Netanyahu used his doomsday weapon a month too early, when he preferred to reap immediate electoral gains rather than wait for the ripe diplomatic moment: He spoke to Congress in early March, when the Iran deal was still a theoretical flight of fancy, instead of waiting for it to become a clear and present target, which is what happened in Lausanne on Thursday. The impact of his speech, such as it was, is long gone with the wind and even House Speaker John Boehner can’t book a return engagement for his good friend Bibi – which is why Netanyahu now finds himself firing blanks.

    Add to this the serious damage that Netanyahu brought on himself with his election-eve statements on Palestinian statehood and Israeli Arabs voting – and the possibly cynical decision by the administration to amplify them in order to further erode Netanyahu’s credibility. Netanyahu hasn’t reached the level of hyperbolic hysteria of right-wing polemicist Thomas Sowell – who labelled a deal with Iran “the most catastrophic decision in human history”, no less – but he seems to be closing in fast. His new demand from deep left field to stipulate that Iran recognize Israel as a precondition to any nuclear accord was summarily dismissed in public by the State Department, but in private the officials’ reactions went from ridiculous to pathetic.

    … But even in the bastion of Obama-loathing Fox News there appear to be some wide cracks, as evidenced by the shock suggestion of Bill O’Reilly that the Iran deal should be given a chance, because the alternative is a “world war that nobody wants.”

    To which the immediate historical association for Netanyahu would have to be the famous saying rightly or wrongly attributed to Lyndon Johnson when he saw Walter Cronkite’s pessimistic reports from Vietnam following the Tet Offensive in 1968: “If I’ve lost Cronkite, I’ve lost the American people.””

    http://www.haaretz.com/blogs/west-of-eden/.premium-1.650498

    (Wonder if he read your article, Annie ;)

    • annie
      annie
      April 4, 2015, 7:18 pm

      just, not sure if you saw my update about an hour ago (scroll up). reminds me, i should place “update” in the title. i’m not sure when he published or if ours came out at the same time or mine ofter his. but he probably worked on this for awhile and wasn’t reading mondowiess while he was doing it. although he could have intercepted my comment yesterday to donald, where i first laid much of this out (but that’s very unlikely!)

      anyway, i agree, it’s a zinger. and i love his title. hey thank you very much for the judy miller link (phew!) and glick…the all time worst.

  15. JLewisDickerson
    JLewisDickerson
    April 4, 2015, 6:13 pm

    RE: “Leaving aside whether it’s a dis . . .” ~ Robbins

    MY COMMENT: Tsk-tsk!

    FROM URBAN DICTIONARY (diss):

    diss
    a shortened version of “disrespect”
    Why you be dissin’ me?

      • irishmoses
        irishmoses
        April 4, 2015, 7:02 pm

        Can’t beat Merriam. What a gal.

      • JLewisDickerson
        JLewisDickerson
        April 4, 2015, 7:12 pm

        Well, hush my mouth (I do declare)!

        P.S. SOME GLORIOUS NEWS:
        I have always had a chronic problem with “its” vs “it’s” unless I consciously think about it (which I seldom do).
        The other day, as I was typing a comment, I left the thingy (i.e., apostrophe) out of the contraction for ‘it is’ and Grammarly™ gave me a stiff rebuke!
        PRAISE THE LORD!
        PRAISE THE LORD!
        PRAISE THE LORD AND, ALL MY CLEAN LIVIN’!
        Wave y’all’s arms in the air, y’all!
        JESUS IS A-COMIN’ BACK, Y’ALL! ! !

      • JLewisDickerson
        JLewisDickerson
        April 4, 2015, 7:35 pm

        ■ ALSO: Ruthie Foster at the Bogalusa Blues & Heritage Festival [VIDEO, 1:10:19] – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zHz3gpOjRo

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        April 4, 2015, 7:36 pm

        “Can’t beat Merriam.”

        Yes you can. You can, and should, use the real dictionary.

        http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/dis

        Fortunately, it shows that Merriam got it right, but that “diss” is also acceptable.

      • irishmoses
        irishmoses
        April 4, 2015, 8:09 pm

        Nah, that’s a fer’n dictionary.

      • JLewisDickerson
        JLewisDickerson
        April 5, 2015, 2:18 am

        SCARLETT O’HARA’S “BRAND NEW DAY”:

  16. JLewisDickerson
    JLewisDickerson
    April 4, 2015, 6:43 pm

    RE: “Rudoren dutifully reports all this BS without thinking about how it undermines the NYT’s credibility as a detached observer.” ~ Annie Robbins

    MY COMMENT: The NYT’s “credibility as a detached observer”? I hate to be crude, but are you shi · · in’ us, Annie? Surely you jest!
    The New York Times hasn’t had significant “credibility as a detached observer” in regards to the Middle East since the 60s.
    The 70s at the latest!

    • annie
      annie
      April 4, 2015, 7:22 pm

      ok, i’ll give you that one. originally i had drafted “Rudoren dutifully reports all this BS without thinking about how it undermines her credibility as a reporter.” (which i also wrote here, when i penned a bunch of this: http://mondoweiss.net/2015/04/obama-won-iran/comment-page-1#comment-759067 ) but sometimes my editor thinks i make it too personal. so in this case i can’t take credit for the reference to the nyt. ;)

  17. Donald
    Donald
    April 4, 2015, 7:06 pm

    I agree that Rudoren is channeling propaganda (for some weird reason you seemed to think I was agreeing with Rudoren in the other thread). And I agree that the logic is insane. But it is precisely the logic that has had the US helping our “ally” Israel by siding with them in the UN, supplying them with weapons, and saying they have the right to “defend” themselves when they blow up Palestinian families. There was never any sanity in this.

    It is possible that Netanyahu with his special blend of charm and charisma has finally weakened the Lobby beyond repair–he may have ticked off Obama so much that he will start siding with the Palestinians. Maybe. Or maybe the Obama people decide that to win support in Congress for the Iranian deal, they placate Israel’s supporters in Congress and never do anything to put real pressure on Israel with respect to the Palestinians.

    Pointing out this possibility doesn’t mean I think Israel deserves this support or that I think it was okay for Rudoren to cite Mr. “There are no innocent civilians in Gaza” as her chosen expert on how the U.S. should behave on the Israel-Palestine issue.

    • annie
      annie
      April 5, 2015, 2:51 am

      donald, my apologies which i also just posted here: http://mondoweiss.net/2015/04/obama-won-iran#comment-759265 .

      and thanks for inspiring this article.

      • Donald
        Donald
        April 5, 2015, 4:34 pm

        Okay thanks. And let me add to the praise– great article. It was thanks to some piece at Mondoweiss recently (I don’t recall if it was you or Phil or Adam) that I knew what Eiland was saying about civilians in Gaza last summer. Once one knows that, it becomes really clear just how biased Rudoren is when she picks a man like him as one of her key dispensers of wisdom.

  18. eGuard
    eGuard
    April 4, 2015, 7:36 pm

    Next step: Israel signing the NPT.

    • JWalters
      JWalters
      April 4, 2015, 9:07 pm

      And get that done before Hillary becomes president (if she does). I doubt she would have done any of this.

  19. James North
    James North
    April 4, 2015, 10:15 pm

    A superb article by Annie Robbins. Rudoren’s tendentious piece also included this gem, describing Israel as “a small country in a volatile neighborhood.” This is a favorite hasbara theme, implying that different moral standards should apply in the Middle East. Left unsaid is that Israel’s occupation and vicious attacks on civilians in its “neighborhood” are a major factor contributing to the “volatility.”

  20. weindeb
    weindeb
    April 5, 2015, 5:05 am

    Judith Miller redux.

  21. just
    just
    April 5, 2015, 8:55 am

    O/T, but for Annie and all:

    “SodaStream, the Israeli manufacturer of home carbonation systems, has changed its product labeling to “Made in the West Bank” following complaints by human rights activists in the Unites States.

    The company’s main production facility is in the industrial zone of Ma’aleh Adumim, an Israeli settlement in the West Bank, where it employs Palestinian workers.

    The facility’s location has made SodaStream a target of the global anti-Israel boycott, divestment and sanctions movement and put the company at odds with European policies blocking the import of products made in West Bank settlements.

    In May 2014, a coalition of human rights activists in the U.S. state of Oregon complained to the Oregon Department of Justice that the company was violating the state’s Fair Trade Practices Act by labeling its products as “Made in Israel.”..

    …“This appears to be the first time that an Israeli settlement manufacturer has corrected its labels for products sold in the United States,” said activist Rod Such of the PDX Boycott Occupation Soda! Coalition based in Portland, Oregon.

    “Many people of conscience refuse to purchase products made in Israel’s illegal settlements on occupied Palestinian land in the West Bank, but in the case of SodaStream they were deceived by false labeling that claimed the products were produced within Israel’s internationally recognized borders.”

    SodaStream announced last October that it would be closing its Ma’aleh Adumim plant in 2015 as part of a plan to boost growth.

    “We are working with the Israeli government to secure work permits for our Palestinian employees,” CEO Daniel Birnbaum said.

    SodaStream’s revenues and profit have plummeted recently due to weak sales of its home soda machines in the U.S. The drop has been attributed to a move among American consumers to healthier drinks, such as juices and teas.”

    http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/jewish-world-news/1.650579?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

    LOL on the reasons for the plummeting of weak sales, profits, and revenues! BDS!!!

    It needs to read ““Made in the Occupied West Bank in an Illegal Israeli Settlement”…

  22. piotr
    piotr
    April 5, 2015, 9:23 am

    Donald: “But it is precisely the logic that has had the US helping our “ally” Israel by siding with them in the UN, supplying them with weapons, and saying they have the right to “defend” themselves when they blow up Palestinian families. There was never any sanity in this.”

    This is precisely the way a hegemon deals with cranky vassals who have influence at the court. Note that KSA is another dear ally of USA that is upset, so USA helps the King to sooth his nerves by whacking Yemen. This time, Israel can enjoy the show only vicariously, but they do their best by cheering loudly on the sidelines.

  23. just
    just
    April 5, 2015, 9:37 am

    Gideon Levy:

    “Iran deal? Israel sticks to its language of bombing and shelling

    The so-called existential danger is needed so we can be distracted from the real danger, the continuation of the occupation.

    Secular people should have celebrated the nuclear deal as they did in Tehran. Religious people should have recited the blessing thanking God for deliverance from mortal danger. There’s a good chance that Israel has been saved from two dangers: the danger of bombing and the danger of the bomb. The first might be more dangerous than the second.

    But Israel went about its business as usual. Public opinion hardly considers collective matters. The eyebrows of the sister of Niv Asraf — the guy who staged a prank kidnapping in the West Bank — were of greater interest than the Iran deal. (His sister had said, “Because of him I missed my eyebrow-plucking appointment.”)

    And Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu certainly went about his business. Official Israel responded to the good news from Lausanne with the same acrimonious response every time there’s a chance for a diplomatic agreement.

    Netanyahu frightened and warned us as usual, and this time he added a comic pause: He demanded that the deal be conditioned on Iran recognizing Israel. He didn’t say whether he also meant that Satan should recognize Israel as the nation-state of the Jewish people, but that will surely come. Actually, Zionist Union chief Isaac Herzog first came up with that foolish demand, as if to prove (again) that in really important matters there’s no difference between him and Netanyahu. …

    … “Here is what Obama said about Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu: ‘It’s no secret that the Israeli prime minister and I don’t agree about whether the United States should move forward with a peaceful resolution to the Iranian issue.’ … In other words, Obama is saying publicly that Netanyahu wants war with Iran, and he wants the United States to fight it.”

    In other words, to Netanyahu’s Israel, anything that didn’t include bombing Iran isn’t considered a solution, and no agreement, not even Iranian capitulation, would be considered worthy. That’s the naked truth, and it’s very disturbing.

    With the world led by Obama trying to replace wars with agreements, bombings with peace arrangements, Israel sticks to its bad old language, the only one it knows, the language of war, bombing and shelling. With the world saying yes to diplomacy, Israel continues to say no. Eventually it will be condemned as a leper. …

    …No one knows whether it’s even possible to bomb them, and what the aftermath might be; no one knows how much Iran wants a bomb and what it wants a bomb for; it’s clear to everyone that an Iranian use of a nuclear bomb would be suicidal. And yet existential danger is at our door. It’s needed so we can be distracted from the real danger, the continuation of the occupation, with all its implications. Netanyahu has made a career out of this.

    Now it’s over, hopefully — the danger of bombing and apparently the danger of the bomb. Netanyahu will have to find himself new scare tactics. The Israel that wanted bombing will have to remember the terrible damage inflicted by all its bombings and all its wars, and the benefits that stemmed from the few agreements it signed.

    Never has a war done it good. In contrast, the agreements, whether separation or peace, gave it existential benefits for years. But the national DNA continues to deny this and says “only war.””

    http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.650495

  24. Kay24
    Kay24
    April 5, 2015, 10:09 am

    Predictably Bibi is going to lobby against the DEAL. Rudoren, and others like her, who have consistently been falling on the zionist sword, showing more loyalty to the nation she really is devoted to, keep doing Bibi’s dirty work for him. Time true Americans asked “who the heck is Bibi, and what right has he to interfere in our affairs, or question a deal agreed to by several other nations? Time Bibi was shown the door, but then Rodoren and her ilk, might collapse with outrage. Rudoren is a zionist in American clothing, and belongs to the long list of the media, who help the alien war monger control our policies and wage wars, even by lies. Shame on the New York TImes, especially after playing a similar role before the Iraq war.

    Israel Prepares Lobbying Strategy Against Iran Deal

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/05/israel-iran-deal_n_7006518.html

  25. traintosiberia
    traintosiberia
    April 5, 2015, 10:12 am

    It is not limited to Jodi. The Jewish lawmakers are doing same thing. -http://www.wsj.com/articles/cracks-appear-in-democratic-jewish-alliance-over-iran-deal-netanyahu-1428097595

    and possibly much worse.,they are openly criticizing Obama for making this deal,for issuing statements on Netanyahu’s electoral conducts ,for focussing on Netanyahu’s racial comments ,for not being enough appreciative of Israeli concerns to the extent Netanyahu wanted ,for ignoring the appearance of Netanyahu in front of the lawmakers and for decreasing the popularity of these Jewish lawmakers within their constituencies.

    Each of these concerns could be debunked by citing the histories of Iranian nuclear pathway,by referring back to the insults pelted at Obama,Kerry,and to the defense chiefs by Israel over last 6 yrs,by reminding the shocked reactions of the rest of the world to the conducts of Israel ,by the overwhelming support to this ( one sided accord that benefits US few by order of the magnitude of the few degrees more than it does to Iran) among the Americans, and by reminding these lawmakers that their loyalties,concerns,and devotion should be spent for the interest of US and not for Israel and never be spent for Israel when it hurts American interests.

    Taking 2 pages out of British 1913 predicament and of Truman 1948 predicament ,the Democratic lawmakers are offering the solutions of how to sway the Jewish factors to the Democratic Party away from Republican. The same play book is being brandished openly . To stop the melting away of Jewish support and to stop the drying of the money, Obama should go out and try to increase his popularity among their constituency ( again at a time when the majority Americans support this deal ) . The solution is roll bak and shred the deal,not curtail but stop ” insulting” Netanyahu, not just prevaricate but admit earnestly the Israeli lines on Iran portray Iran as at the threshold of being a nuclear weapon manufacturing country,,hold town hall meetings telling Americans how Iran is an existential threat to Israel,condemn the IAEA and the NIE on not being categorically clear that Iran has crossed the rubicon and path of no return,
    tell the American public why Americans and you trust Israel when the national interests of America start diverging from that of Israel , tell the constituencies that chances are Americans don’t know compared to what the Israeli know what is good,safe,desirable and honorable for America.

  26. just
    just
    April 5, 2015, 10:35 am

    Seems that Reuters got the memo:

    “…Netanyahu said he had an hour-long conversation with the U.S. president, with whom he has had strained relations.

    Asked on CNN if he trusted Obama, Netanyahu said he was sure the U.S. president was doing what he thought best for his country, but they disagreed on what the best Iran policy should be.

    “It’s not a question of personal trust,” Netanyahu said.

    Israel is believed to be the only nuclear-armed state in the Middle East.”

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.650594?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

    Gotta love that last sentence wrt “trust”! (lol)

    • just
      just
      April 5, 2015, 10:48 am

      “…The Israeli leader said the deal should have included a provision to curtail Iranian efforts to develop an international ballistic missile. “Those missilses are only used for you,” Netanyahu said, referring to the US. “No one is asking iran in this deal to stop its aggression in the region.”

      Netanyahu was sharply rebuked by Senator Dianne Feinstein of California, the long-time head of the intelligence committee who followed him on CNN and warned that he was intervening at the wrong time.

      “I don’t think it’s helpful for Israel to come out and oppose this one opportunity to change a major dynamic, which is downhill, a downhill dynamic in this part of the world,” Feinstein said.

      “To be candid with you, this can backfire on him,” Feinstein warned, going on to criticize an appearance by Netanyahu before the US Congress early last month. “I wish that he would contain himself. Because he has put out no real alternative in his speech to Congress, no real alternative. Since then, no real alternative.””

      http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/apr/05/israel-netanyahu-attack-iran-nuclear-framework-agreement

    • Kay24
      Kay24
      April 5, 2015, 11:58 am

      Ben Rhodes WH spokesperson was asked on CNN today what they would do to convince Bibi that the deal is a good one, and he answered that they were not going to convince him, because he has been against the deal from the beginning. Wham!

      Diane Feinstein also implied that Netanyahu was overstepping and being unreasonable.

      Nutty and his stupid opinions are of no consequence, and the WH does not seem shy to say it.

      Only the anti Obama/pro Bibi congresspeople, and the good for nothing zionist media, will keep Bibi’s push for war, alive.

  27. chuckcarlos
    chuckcarlos
    April 5, 2015, 11:15 am

    USA was attacked on 9/11 because

    1. USA support of the terrorist regime of Israel which leads to the most excellent recruiting posters for Arab Freedom Fighters featuring dead Palestinian Children

    2. USA support of every tinhorn desert sandbagging fascist sunni arab regime in the MidEast…including Egypt and Arabia…and we even fight wars so that the Kuwaiti Sheik can import Filipino house girls as pets…

    3. Troops from the USA stationed in supposed religious sites in MidEast

    The list as compiled and published by Zawahiri

    What exactly has changed? Has the USA in anyway deflected these criticisms, criticisms that resonate with Muslims, Shiite, Sunni, Wahabi, Salafists, Sufi…and so on and on…throughout the world?

    Nope

    WE, and that means you and me here in the USA end up with rotting dead fish like Israel that stink…the rest of the Garbage Dump in the MidEast left over from the Colonialists after the WWI….

    • Boomer
      Boomer
      April 6, 2015, 6:41 am

      A good reminder, chuckcarlos. How odd that a reminder should be necessary, and yet it is. Would that the MSM informed Americans better. But we recall what happened when Rev. Wright spoke of “chickens coming home to roost.”

    • Boomer
      Boomer
      April 6, 2015, 2:41 pm

      re chuckcarlos:

      “1. USA support of the terrorist regime of Israel which leads to the most excellent recruiting posters for Arab Freedom Fighters featuring dead Palestinian Children

      “2. USA support of every tinhorn desert sandbagging fascist sunni arab regime in the MidEast…including Egypt and Arabia…and we even fight wars so that the Kuwaiti Sheik can import Filipino house girls as pets…

      “3. Troops from the USA stationed in supposed religious sites in MidEast

      “The list as compiled and published by Zawahiri”

      And, chuckcarlos, don’t forget that bin Laden himself said that his objective was to win by bankrupting us. We have cooperated fully with him on that. The neocons wanted the Republic to become the Empire, and they got it. The war party wanted the “long war” to become global, and they got it. Empires always end eventually, sometimes because they are defeated by a greater empire; more often by overreach, corruption, and proliferation of special interests.

      Klein explained it well, though he bought the dubious propaganda about bin Laden’s end.

      http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/post/bin-ladens-war-against-the-us-economy/2011/04/27/AFDOPjfF_blog.html

  28. piotr
    piotr
    April 5, 2015, 11:22 am

    I found two things curious.

    One was the seeming total absence of pro-Israeli comments for the article in Guardian, after more careful check, there were two very short comments supportive of Netanyahu (in some way) out of 43. Israel is facing a dangerous deficit of trolls. One possible reason is that there is a number of cabinet positions with hasbara responsibilities, but right now they may be preoccupied with negotiations to form a new ruling coalition. Distractions, distractions.

    The second was a concept that is totally new to me, the proposal to ban some countries from developing (and deploying?) “international missiles”. They should be limited to missiles that stop at national borders! It is a fascinating concept, and perhaps it would be even more helpful if Israel decided where the uncrossable borders should be (in addition to one-way borders).

    • John O
      John O
      April 5, 2015, 1:15 pm

      The Guardian’s moderation of below-the-line (BTL) comments on articles on Israel seems to have become much more light-touch in the last couple of weeks. The comments used to be almost unreadable, as hasbarista trolls would pounce very quickly (doubtless alerted by CiF Watch). Fights would then break out, followed by the moderator deleting whole chunks of the “discussion”. This basically left the trolls winning, as their main aim is to prevent reasoned debate.

      Now, posts that are clearly in breach of the website’s rules remain open and their contents are almost invariably shot down in flames. When I last looked, there were 242 comments, only a couple of deletions, and a massive majority basically urging Netanyahu to, as the Scots say, go home and boil his head.

    • just
      just
      April 5, 2015, 2:33 pm

      piotr~ true on that article!

      Try this one, and read some of the comments.:

      “A new exodus? The reality of being Jewish in Europe today

      After a wave of antisemitic attacks across Europe, many Jews are wondering what the future holds. We hear seven contrasting voices, from France to Turkey”

      http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/apr/05/a-new-exodus-jewish-in-europe

      It’s the sur”real world”.

  29. joer
    joer
    April 5, 2015, 5:39 pm

    I have a pretty good idea of who they are planning to have compensate Israel for their perceived humiliation. The Palestinians compensated Israel for the Holocaust, Soviet anti-semitism, and all other Jewish tragedies…I don’t see why this should be any different.

  30. piotr
    piotr
    April 6, 2015, 2:30 am

    I would complain less about Rudoren’s piece. This is a report on thinking of Israeli establishment, and while it could present a wider selection of perspectives, it does not endorse any of the described opinions. Personally, I found one passage cryptic:

    The situation reminded Mr. Eiland, the former Israeli national security adviser, of an Old Testament tale in which King David fasts for seven days after Batsheva bears him a very sick son. Once the baby dies, the king asks for something to eat, explaining, in the book of Samuel: “Why should I fast? I can’t bring him back to life.

    Does it mean that Eiland thinks that Netanyahu should follow king’s David wisdom and ask “for something to eat” once his beloved baby, nixing negotiations with Iran, died (it was a sickly baby from the start)?

  31. Boomer
    Boomer
    April 6, 2015, 6:35 am

    Obama is now telling NTY how he loves Israel, how he is hurt by criticism that he doesn’t love Israel, and how the US will defend it against any and all countries. So I’d say that, predictably, the Israeli “entitled” strategy has worked quite well for them. Israel complains loudly about a bogus issue that they created, then get a promise of U.S. defense regardless of what it does. Israel is entitled to our weapons grade uranium, entitled to sink our ships, entitled to billions of our dollars every year, entitled to the Palestinians’ land and homes, entitled to pen the surviving Palestinians in reservations and make their lives miserable, and entitled to our defense of all these actions.

  32. just
    just
    April 6, 2015, 9:23 am

    “Obama tells Israelis: We can argue about Iran – but it’s all in the family

    American Jews are more likely to be captivated by the president’s combination of vulnerability and schmaltz in his interview with Thomas Friedman.

    …Obama says he “respects” Netanyahu but finds his positions unrealistic: Even the most moderate Iranian leaders wouldn’t meet the threshold set by the prime minister. Obama concedes that the understandings of Lausanne may not be optimal, but they are far better than the two main alternatives: Military conflict or a return to the sanctions regime. Both scenarios, he says, will spur the Iranians to race towards an atomic bomb. Only a diplomatic solution, with stringent international supervision, can achieve the desired outcome and prevent a nuclear Iran, a different outcome that would surely benefit Israel’s security.

    Obama protests the fact that criticism of Israel’s settlement policies, for example, immediately casts him as an enemy of the state. He rails against the fact that support for Israel is becoming increasingly partisan and calls on both sides to “respect internal debate and to not work with just one side.” Seven years ago, before he was elected, Obama expressed similar sentiments: one doesn’t have to be pro-Likud in order to be pro-Israel, he said then, but apparently has yet to learn the error of his ways. After all, if Isaac Herzog and Tzipi Livni can be dubbed “anti-Zionist” by Netanyahu just because they oppose his policies – who is Obama to complain? “Hitler got less from Chamberlain than what the Iranians got from American negotiators” Republican Senator Mark Kirk said over the weekend, echoing the same kind of unbridled rhetoric that is often hurled at Obama from Israeli government circles and from his critics in the Jewish right wing in America. Obama didn’t say, but some of his advisers are convinced, that both branches are inspired by the same Las Vegas-headquartered source.

    It’s hard to tell how Israeli public opinion will react to Obama’s overture: Israelis are a stubborn and cynical bunch and they tend to shy away from sentimental sweet nothings. But American Jews – especially those who voted for him – are more than likely to be captivated by Obama’s combination of vulnerability and schmaltz. His critics might say, with some justification, that Obama is being manipulative, but they will fail to acknowledge the sincere affinity for both Israelis and Jews that lay underneath and that many of Obama’s acquaintances swear by.

    Though some of Obama’s haters continue to suggest that there is something “un-American” about him, his message in this Friedman interview is American through and through: the “Yes we can” president exudes American optimism, prefers to see the glass half empty, believes that even the strife-engulfed Middle East can still expect a happy Hollywood ending. In this regard, his talk about shared values and culture between Israelis and Americans is nonsense: Israelis are not only fatalistic and pessimistic by nature – not without reason, of course – but they also tend to elect leaders and parties that make sure they stay that way.

    Obama makes it very clear that in this American-Jewish-Israeli family there are no divorces, but with all due respect to his possibly naïve efforts for reconciliation, at this late stage it could very well be that his differences with Israelis, in general, and Netanyahu, in particular, are simply irreconcilable.”

    http://www.haaretz.com/blogs/west-of-eden/.premium-1.650674

    The differences have been”irreconcilable” for a long time now. It’s not HIS personal differences, he’s just the only President who has bothered to attempt to change the long arc of history wrt to this highly touted “special relationship” that has threatened US national security, contributed mightily to regional misery/death/destruction, and kept the Palestinian people imprisoned in and out of their own land.

    “The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends towards justice.”

    Martin Luther King Jr.

  33. shalom
    shalom
    April 6, 2015, 10:10 am

    Anne, I think it really doesn’t matter what Jodi or you or I write. What matters is what is written on a Final Agreement and whether Iran lives up to its commitments, which it has not done so far. Just the other day the Commander of the Basij militia of Iran’s Revolutionary Guards, Mohammad Reza Naqdi said that “erasing Israel off the map” is “nonnegotiable.” I would think as many problems as I have with Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu that General Naqdi’s statement might cause the Prime Minister to promote “Israel’s right to Exist,” as part of any nuclear agreement between the P5 + 1 and Iran?

    • annie
      annie
      April 6, 2015, 12:05 pm

      Anne, I think it really doesn’t matter what Jodi or you or I write.

      so why comment? do you also think it really doesn’t matter what Jodi or you or I think? that’s reasonable. but what’s the point of media at all? oh right, to find out the news about what’s going on in the world and what people think about that. one problem i have with this article is it’s not promoted as an op ed. it’s supposed to be the news. she’s the bureau chief and this is irresponsible journalism.

      can you please link to naqdi making that statement? i keep hearing about it but know one is linking to it. is it a memri video or something? and wrt your last statement, why the question mark?

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      April 7, 2015, 12:09 pm

      “Anne, I think it really doesn’t matter what Jodi or you or I write. What matters is what is written on a Final Agreement and whether Iran lives up to its commitments, which it has not done so far. Just the other day the Commander of the Basij militia of Iran’s Revolutionary Guards, Mohammad Reza Naqdi said that “erasing Israel off the map” is “nonnegotiable.”

      Shalom, Shalom,
      You’ll find Shalom

      The nicest greeting you know;
      It means bonjour, salud, and skoal
      And twice as much as hello.
      It means a million lovely things,
      Like peace be yours,
      Welcome home.
      And even when you say goodbye,
      You say goodbye with Shalom.

      It’s a very useful word,
      It can get you through the day;
      All you really need to know,
      You can hardly go wrong,
      This is your home as long as you say:
      Shalom,
      The nicest greeting I know;
      Shalom,
      Means twice as much as hello.
      It means a million lovely things,
      Like peace be yours,
      Welcome home.
      And even when you say goodbye,
      If your voice has
      “I don’t want to go” in it,
      Say goodbye with a little “hello” in it,
      And say goodbye to shalom.”

      Ah, what a lovely name “Shalom” is, redolent of peace, and hope.

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