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Crisis for the lobby: Clinton bucks Saban, AIPAC doesn’t know what to say

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The news from Washington is that Hillary Clinton is falling into line. Vox reports that Hillary Clinton has endorsed the Iran deal in a private meeting with House Democrats. The neoconservatives are enraged at her. I bet anything that Chuck Schumer will also endorse the deal, because American leadership says that it is good for our country, and the American people are going to be overwhelmingly For the deal; and Schumer has said that he must support the American interest not the Jewish one.

Is the Iran deal going to be a turning point for the Israel lobby? I think so: the president played his hand well, and most of the US political leadership will line up in favor of the deal, and again, it will have giant popular support, Democrats will fall into line, the liberal Israel lobby is all for the deal.

So the rightwing traditional lobby will have to choose, do we want to be on the losing side or the winning side. Peter Beinart is applying pressure to the National Jewish Democratic Council:

if most Jewish Democrats support nuclear deal with Iran, why won’t @NJDC?

AIPAC is really stuck here. It hates to lose publicly, then people think it’s not powerful and they can criticize Israel. Notice that it is hedging its bets on the Iran deal. It doesn’t like it, but it won’t condemn it outright:

We are deeply concerned based on initial reports that this proposed agreement may not meet these requirements, and thereby would fail to block Iran’s path to a nuclear weapon and would further entrench and empower the leading state sponsor of terror…

Tepid opposition. Then it kicks the can down the road:

We intend to examine closely the details of the agreement against that standard, and we will then issue a fuller assessment.

Hillary Clinton knows that opposing the deal is a losing hand with the American people; but she is spending a lot of political capital to support the deal. She will lose parts of the lobby over it. She has aligned herself closely with megadonor Haim Saban. She wrote a fawning letter to him promising to fight Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) and promising to work “across party lines” to oppose it.

Saban can’t be pleased today. He has called for the annihilation of Iran. Last year, Rosie Gray reported:

Major Democratic donor Haim Saban said on Sunday that if he were running Israel he would “bomb the living daylights” out of Iran if the current nuclear negotiations produce a bad deal for Israel.

Speaking at a conference of the Israeli American Council at the Washington Hilton opposite Republican casino magnate Sheldon Adelson, Saban said that if he were in the shoes of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in the event of a deal with Iran that he judged to be dangerous with Israel, “I would bomb the living daylights out of these sons of bitches.”

Saban is probably fretting like AIPAC. He wants to maintain his political relevance; he wants to continue to influence US policy against a Palestinian state. Now the lobby is splitting openly into right and left branches. Michael Oren published his book in June because he thought he could rally the American Jewish community against the Iran deal, but they won’t listen to him. They’re more attuned to Barbara Boxer:

“if this agreement is what the Administration says it is, it is a major, historic diplomatic breakthrough.”

J Street’s Dylan Williams says that the administration is gaining support:

Swing Democrats’ statements on the have so far tracked the administration’s language on deal terms, rather than the GOP/AIPAC ones

Meantime, I’m going to get a lot of pleasure watching Bill Kristol disappear into the political margins. Today he rallies the world in Churchillian tones:

“Let us act so historians will say ‘July 14, 2105, was the bottom, the nadir, from which America went on to recover.'”

Who’s listening? Tom Cotton.

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64 Responses

  1. Giles
    July 14, 2015, 1:05 pm

    Interesting times. A glimmer of light?

  2. michelle
    July 14, 2015, 1:40 pm

    here’s a wild thought
    Michelle Obama for POTUS
    G-d Bless

    • Mooser
      July 14, 2015, 2:10 pm

      “here’s a wild thought
      Michelle Obama for POTUS”

      We should be so lucky. That would be great!

      • echinococcus
        July 15, 2015, 1:57 am

        Not before Clinton II the Dowager Empress does her promised turn. Then will be Michelobama’s turn, or perhaps it’s then Kim Jeb Il’s turn, who knows.

    • Dutch
      July 14, 2015, 2:31 pm

      Wild but inspiring.

  3. ckg
    July 14, 2015, 2:40 pm

    To stay in Saban’s good graces, Clinton will probably be extra vigilant in villifying BDS supporters.

    • just
      July 14, 2015, 2:56 pm

      Maybe. All anyone has to do is witness Netanyahu’s reaction to the deal and think back to his forcing himself on America via his appearance in Congress, etc. ad nauseam, his disrespect for this President, VP, SoS, and administration, his constant refusal for a just and honest attempt to make ‘peace’ with the Palestinians, and anyone else…

      BDS will accelerate, imho. People have witnessed something new in the ME today. Some folks are saying that the sanctions on Iran worked. ( though I thought them odious)

      Belligerence, intransigence, threats, and war are no longer the only ways to do things. ;-)

      Let the Power Ranger sulk. Hillary would do well to distance herself asap from him. ( though I still don’t trust her wrt Israel!)

      • echinococcus
        July 14, 2015, 3:08 pm


        Let’s think deeper before wishing things. Instead of distancing herself from Saban and other outrageously treasonous oligarchs, we should hope and pray that Clinton II gets even more intimately associated, just as we should work tirelessly to keep the Yahoo and Bennett and such in power in the Zionist entity.
        As you so well observe, these associations are accelerating the decline of Zionism and disintegrating its support.
        Keeping a distance from the Yahoo and Zaban and Adelson etc. would slow down this process. Not a good thing.

      • just
        July 14, 2015, 3:46 pm

        Oh, I don’t wish her to distance herself at all! I just think it is her only chance to do even moderately well~ I hope she continues to embrace these Israel- firsters and their death dollars myself. Same for the hopeless 15 on the other side.

        I think the old guard is out the door. Until and unless they start actually voicing their real and believable opposition to Israel’s intransigence and horrific treatment of Palestinians, etc., they don’t stand a chance and that’s a good thing, indeed.

        Today is a new day, indeed. In Farsi and in Iran, they call it Nowruz!

        (Nowruz (Persian: نوروز‎, IPA: [nouˈɾuːz], meaning “[The] New Day”) is the name of the Iranian New Year.[23][24][25][26][27][28][29])


      • surewin
        July 14, 2015, 5:54 pm

        “Hillary would do well to distance herself asap from [Saban]”.

        No way.

        “Keep your friends close but your enemies closer.”

      • echinococcus
        July 14, 2015, 7:10 pm


        Almost four months too late but still, a well-meaning, nice reference to Nowruz.

      • just
        July 14, 2015, 7:23 pm

        Thanks echinococcus~ normalization of relations is mighty late, but they’re finally here! It’s a New Day today.

        Imagine the Eid al-Fitr celebrations all over Iran later this week.

    • JLewisDickerson
      July 14, 2015, 6:43 pm

      SEE: “The Troubling Implications of Hillary’s Anti-BDS Letter”, by Stephen Zunes,, 14 July 2015
      Presidential hopeful Hillary Clinton’s position on the Israeli occupation of the West Bank does not bode well for her future foreign policy
      LINK –

  4. Ellen
    July 14, 2015, 3:01 pm

    She believes in nothing other than following the scent of money. There is more money behind normalization of relations with Iran than this band of Zio billionaires could ever throw at her .

    Besides, it would be the end of her political machine if she were to give aid to sabotaging this — not to mention that if she’s does (cough cough) become POTUS, she will reap many benefits from this.

    But to keep her paymasters happy and fed, she will spew demonization of Iran and keep the weapons flow into Israel going. It was H. Clinton, after all, along with McCain that made sure Israel had no accountability for using cluster bombs on civilian sites in Lebanon.

    • Abierno
      July 14, 2015, 3:42 pm

      The issue is that John Kerry is looking very presidential at this moment. It takes little to remind the public that there have long been rumors that he actually won the election against Bush – but due to chicanery with election machines in certain states, he lost. A Kerry-Saunders or Kerry-Jim Webb ticket would be unbeatable if one can assume free and fair elections.

      Hillary can try to change course, but owing to her syncophantic letter to Haim Saban, she is well and truly wedded to Netanyahu and Likud policies. The letter goes far beyond DBS in its multiple pledges of allegiance to Israel. To say nothing about her exposure as Secretary of State for the disasters of Libya, Syria and the Ukraine. To say nothing about the exposed conflicts of interest in Clinton Foundation donations and cases addressed by the Department of State during her tenure. To say nothing about the escapades of Bill which would rule out support from family values voters. To say nothing about her being overexposed in her frantic race to garner money and support, prior to another strong candidate entering the field.

      • just
        July 14, 2015, 3:48 pm

        BINGO, Abierno!!!!!

      • Abierno
        July 14, 2015, 3:59 pm

        Update: Escobar reports some discussion of Kerry and Zarif as candidates for the 2016
        Nobel Peace prize.

      • just
        July 14, 2015, 4:02 pm


        Thanks, Abierno.

        “The issue is that John Kerry is looking very presidential at this moment. … A Kerry-Saunders or Kerry-Jim Webb ticket would be unbeatable if one can assume free and fair elections.”


      • JWalters
        July 14, 2015, 7:13 pm

        Good suggestions!

        There were also the despicable lies the “stoop to anything” Republicans ran against Kerry, and Max Cleland.

        And Kerry has potentially valuable experience as a criminal prosecutor.

      • Citizen
        July 15, 2015, 1:59 am

        Every female I personally know will vote for Hillary.

      • CigarGod
        July 15, 2015, 8:53 am

        And…she ceased being “likeable” a long time ago.
        We are emotional beings, first.

      • Ellen
        July 18, 2015, 10:23 am

        Well, that did not did not take long. For Hillary to reverse after her paymasters to slap her back into place:

        Clinton parrots Netanyahu and the Likud here.

        She is a joke, indeed, a sycophant and a danger.

      • CigarGod
        July 18, 2015, 10:47 am

        Ah…Transactional and Opportunistic Love. The best kinds.

  5. HarryLaw
    July 14, 2015, 3:21 pm

    Senator Lindsey Graham calls Iran deal ‘death sentence for Israel’, crisis for Hillary, does she back the death sentence? Poor Haim, doesn’t he know Hillary would throw anyone under a bus to further her career.

    • csutter
      July 15, 2015, 12:50 pm

      Citizen: I am female and would NEVER vote for HRC. In fact I don’t know any women who are voting for her. Maybe it’s the company I keep. Everyone I know enthusiastically supports Bernie Sanders. The only exceptions are centrist Democratic Party operatives and some youngish (younger than me anyway) men who don’t vote because they are completely disgusted with politicians and their useless games.

      • Citizen
        July 18, 2015, 9:31 am

        Maybe it is the company you keep. Does that company actually think Bernie Sanders has a real chance at becoming the next POTUS? I like Bernie’s agenda too. I think the younger male generation as a whole is disgusted like those you mention, or at best, apathetic–there’s an awful lot of young to early middle age men still living in the family abode, playing video games, the only thing they do that makes them feel empowered.

  6. Kay24
    July 14, 2015, 3:29 pm

    Suppose an Iranian official said this about Israel:

    ““I would bomb the living daylights out of these sons of bitches.”

    Oy vey, the howls of anti-semitism, poor defenseless Israel being picked on again, the whining throughout the American media, and greedy hands reaching out for more aid and weapons, will sweep the nation, and this ugly statement will be mentioned again and again just to show what victims they are. What drama queens.

    • JWalters
      July 14, 2015, 7:52 pm

      All paid for by a handful of wealthy donors and owners.

      • Citizen
        July 15, 2015, 2:03 am

        They don’t like it when Iran doesn’t call Israel by name, but references it as “the Zionist regime.”
        Notice the Iran Deal does not mention Israel’s 400 nukes.

  7. gracie fr
    July 14, 2015, 4:34 pm

    ….Interesting comments from Larry Wilkerson on The Real News…..

  8. ivri
    July 14, 2015, 5:10 pm

    Let me offer another perspective here. AIPAC and Netanyahu may be playing the bad cop role here since in some sense the agreement is not really bad for Israel too as it may be defusing an insoluble dilemma – Israel does not (or cannot on its own) attack now and Obama clearly decided against doing so. The important thing is that everything is conditional here – on ratification(s), on post-agreement conduct of Iran if goes through – in case of violations it can be revoked – and the situation with the next administration in the US (depending what it will be).
    Also importantly, this agreement does not bind others (Israel and Saudi-Arabia) – they can do what they may think they need to do if they judge that things are not going right.
    If however all goes well and perhaps Iran get transformed in earnest (which is not unfeasible since all kinds of new forces could be unleashed now) then the gamble paid-off.
    So it`s all pretty tricky and despite the hype is still very much a project in progress.

  9. lysias
    July 14, 2015, 5:39 pm

    Washington Post: Israel blasts Iran deal as ‘one of the darkest days in history’:

    JERUSALEM — Israeli leaders across the political spectrum condemned in stark apocalyptic language the Iranian nuclear pact announced by the United States and world powers Tuesday, calling it a historic mistake that frees Iran to sponsor global terror while assembling the information and materials to build a nuclear weapon.

    • just
      July 14, 2015, 5:51 pm

      B. Michael:

      “My heart goes out to Benjamin Netanyahu. With one cold, cruel stroke of the pen, the rulers of the world have taken away his most beloved toy – the apple of his eye and the joy of his heart, the rock of his existence and the source of his strength, and above all, the rock of his refuge and safe haven. Or in short, the Iranian bomb.

      It seems as if this very day, or perhaps tomorrow, a spoke will be put in the wheel of the Iranian bomb, and it will be ripped from the headlines and from our consciousness for at least the next dozen years or even more. And for Bibi, what will happen now?

      A discerning glance can already see the first signs of panic in him: repression, avoidance, a slight quiver in his hairdo, a stubborn insistence that nothing has happened and nothing has changed. But the terrible truth is taking shape. The bomb has gone. From now on, Netanyahu is like a baby that has lost its security blanket, or like one whose favorite teddy bear was thrown into the garbage – the one that warmed his heart during the long nights and infused him with calm and serenity during times of trouble and election campaigns.

      In just another moment, the Prime Minister’s Bureau will be like a garden whose faithful scarecrow has been taken away – exposed to the piercing beak of gray reality, deprived of the daily annoyance of insects, stripped of a shield against the tribulations of his job and the botheration of boring routine. No more planning for a glorious commando operation; no more sowing of widespread, useful nuclear fears; no more fanning of heart-warming, blinding panic. No more Churchill! Heaven help us. Just housing, and the cost of living, and the budget, and the coalition, and corruption, and a whole world that insults and scorns and snipes at him.

      It truly rends one’s heart.

      But our hope has not yet been lost. If salvation doesn’t come from without, we will bring it from within, from ourselves. From the Jewish brain and its wiles. And here it is: As everyone already knows, the State of Israel – of course only according to strange foreign sources – has a respectable arsenal of atomic bombs that long since crossed the 200 mark. More than enough to destroy half the world. …”

      the rest @

      • Boo
        July 15, 2015, 1:07 pm

        “a slight quiver in his hairdo”

        That’s merely the fleas doing their happy dance.

    • RoHa
      July 14, 2015, 9:11 pm

      “while assembling the information and materials to build a nuclear weapon.”

      Allegedly, Iran has been doing that for the last thirty years. If those dumb Iranians haven’t managed it by now, I doubt they ever will.

  10. piotr
    July 14, 2015, 6:06 pm

    Nihil nove sub sole department:

    In ancient Greece, medism (Greek: μηδισμός, medismos) was the imitation of, sympathizing with, collaboration with, or siding with Persians. The ethnonym “Mede” was often used by the Greeks of the Persians although, strictly speaking, the Medes were a different Iranian people.
    Medism was considered a faux pas, even a crime, in many ancient Greek city-states. Themistocles the Athenian was ostracized for medism. Pausanias, the Lacedaemonian hegemon of the Hellenic League in the Battle of Plataea, was accused of medism by other member states …

    So who will be Themistocles now?

    • lysias
      July 14, 2015, 6:33 pm

      Nihil novum, that should have been.

      As a student of the Classics, I admire a great many things about the ancient Greeks. But their contempt for non-Greek speakers, whom they called barbaroi, is definitely not one of them.

      • RoHa
        July 14, 2015, 8:51 pm

        “But their contempt for non-Greek speakers, whom they called barbaroi, is definitely not one of them.

        From my inexpert point of view, it seems that contempt was directed more at the uncivilised tribes of the Macedonia and the North. It did not include the Egyptians, and the Persians were regarded as a dangerous enemy rather than inferiors. I have been told that Greek culture imitated a few things from the Persians.

      • echinococcus
        July 15, 2015, 3:14 am


        The Macedonians were not usually classified as barbaroi –the feeling of language community seems to have been obvious even though there certainly was a problem of mutual understanding between Macedonian and the southern dialect groups (and even though in their barbarism re things linguistics, they all neglected to document at least some Macedonian, thus leading to the FYROM crisis.) Also, “barbaroi” was not really a pejorative term until latish in history, as you will see right away from reading different early historians.

      • lysias
        July 15, 2015, 10:51 am

        Looking at my posting again this morning, I realized that nihil novi would also be possible, and, googling that form, I found that “Nihil novi sub sole” is in fact a phrase that occurs in the Vulgate (Latin) Bible at Ecclesiastes 1:9 (“Nothing new under the sun” in the King James version).

      • lysias
        July 15, 2015, 11:03 am

        Greek barbaroi (n.) meant “all that are not Greek,” but especially the Medes and Persians. Originally not entirely pejorative, its sense darkened after the Persian wars. The Romans (technically themselves barbaroi) took up the word and applied it to tribes or nations which had no Greek or Roman accomplishments. The noun is from late 14c., “person speaking a language different from one’s own,” also (c. 1400) “native of the Barbary coast;” meaning “rude, wild person” is from 1610s.

        Anyone who thinks barbaroi, even when applied to Persians and Medes, was not pejorative in Classical Greek has only to read a bit of Isocrates to be disabused of that misconception.

      • RoHa
        July 15, 2015, 7:35 pm

        Actually, it was the contempt, not the term “barbaroi”, that I was interested in. A perjorative term does not, I think, automatically imply contempt.

  11. JLewisDickerson
    July 14, 2015, 6:23 pm

    RE: “Major Democratic donor Haim Saban said on Sunday that if he were running Israel he would ‘bomb the living daylights’ out of Iran if the current nuclear negotiations produce a bad deal for Israel.” ~ Rosie Gray (last year)

    MY COMMENT: When it comes to Iran, Haim Saban is as much of a far-right nutjob as is Sheldon “Nuke Iran” Adelson! ! !

    SEE: “Haim Saban”, by Matthew Yglesias, The Atlantic, June 10, 2007

    [EXCERPT] If you’re interested in the foreign policy views of major Hillary Clinton financial backer Haim Saban, there’s no need to follow the Atrios path of attempting guilt by association with Kenneth Pollack. He [Saban] discussed his views on the Middle East and Persian Gulf region in great detail in a reasonably recent interview with ‘Haaretz’:

    “When I see Ahmadinejad, I see Hitler. They speak the same language. His motivation is also clear: the return of the Mahdi is a supreme goal. And for a religious person of deep self-persuasion, that supreme goal is worth the liquidation of five and a half million Jews. We cannot allow ourselves that. Nuclear weapons in the hands of a religious leadership that is convinced that the annihilation of Israel will bring about the emergence of a new Muslim caliphate? Israel cannot allow that. This is no game. It’s truly an existential danger.” . . .

    . . . Saban was the largest overall contributor to the Democratic National Committee during the 2001-2002 cycle, when the party leadership was backing the Iraq War and Terry McAuliffe was DNC chair . . .

    SOURCE –

  12. eGuard
    July 14, 2015, 6:29 pm

    Obama prevented a war.

    • just
      July 14, 2015, 7:31 pm

      Yes, he did.

      A huge war that never needed to happen, but might have under any other President and SoS.

      This took grit and determination and vision.

      • JWalters
        July 14, 2015, 8:35 pm

        Agree all round.

      • Citizen
        July 15, 2015, 2:39 am

        Yes, he did. Kerry tried just as hard with the I-P conflict. The Persians want peace. The Israelis never want peace. Netanyahoo wants Greater Israel.

  13. JWalters
    July 14, 2015, 7:58 pm

    “Is the Iran deal going to be a turning point for the Israel lobby?”

    Completely agree this is a huge shift in the whole situation. Heard some frantic voices on radio and TV today. I bet some people are very worried about Israeli cover stories continuing to unravel. Big crimes. Maybe even 9/11.

  14. yourstruly
    July 14, 2015, 11:42 pm

    All Americans (especially those of the Jewish persuasion*) best think twice before opposing this Iran deal. That’s because if its opponents manage to scuttle it, an Iran War will be almost inevitable. Now such a war will translate into lots and lots of casualties, most of whom will be young, poor men and women from inner city, small town and rural America, with very few (if any) from the ranks of the warmongers. And as these casualties mount, there’s going to be this enormous outcry – “Who’s responsible for what’s happened to my son {daughter, father, mother}?” So if an Iran war breaks out, as the casualties mount, watch-out, warmongers, seems that people get angry when a loved one is lost in a war that should never have been fought.

    *If, that is, Israel and mainstream Jewish organizations here in America are in the forefront of the campaign against the nuclear deal

    • Citizen
      July 15, 2015, 2:44 am

      Where would America get enough troops for a war with Iran? No military draft. If they try to resurrect it, nobody will go. And Congress just cut troop ranks big time for budget reasons.

    • straightline
      July 15, 2015, 9:31 am

      Which of the P5+1 would support the US if it reneged? I am told that the top hotels in Tehran have been booked for weeks in anticipation by businessmen eager to engage with Iran. Producers in European countries are salivating over this new potential market. Perhaps – and only perhaps – the UK is sufficiently bound to the US to follow suit but I doubt if any of the others would. Even the UK went against US wishes on the AIIB. When only one country (and a few lackeys) has sanctions against another, which country is being sanctioned?

  15. Vera Gottlieb
    July 15, 2015, 9:20 am

    The more I read/hear about all these Zionist war/hate mongers, the bigger my contempt for them AND the country.

    • CigarGod
      July 15, 2015, 9:42 am

      I use the wisdom of an old Jewish wise man when I draw the line and add it up.
      Where is the love in their ideology and their behavior?

  16. RobertHenryEller
    July 15, 2015, 9:54 am

    “Schumer has said that he must support the American interest not the Jewish one.”

    Senator Schumer should support Jewish interests as well as American interests.

    Schumer just needs to understand the difference between Jewish interests and Zionist interests.

    In fact, Schumer could be a real Jewish American leader, if only he had the courage to stand up and clarify the difference between Jewish interests and Zionist interests.

    Those differences are real, and they are critical.

  17. RobertHenryEller
    July 15, 2015, 10:03 am

    This article is too sanguine.

    AIPAC, Saban, Adelson, the neo-cons, the GOP, the Military Industrial Complex, are not going down easily.

    Better to see the P5+1/Iran agreement as we view the lowering of the Confederate flag over the South Carolina state house.

    This is just a skirmish, not even a battle.

    This war, the war to deal with Iran and the Middle East through diplomacy, rather than militarily, will go on for at least the next ten or fifteen years.

    Think not? How long have the GOP been trying to kill Obamacare? Do you think the Supreme Court decision stopped them?

    Wake up.

    • CigarGod
      July 15, 2015, 10:14 am

      I don’t even see any walking wounded.

      Think Cuba, as an example. Similar template.

  18. Boo
    July 15, 2015, 1:01 pm

    “Tepid opposition. Then [AIPAC] kicks the can down the road:”

    The analogy I’d use is more like they’re kicking their own ass down the road.

    We all know the saying about the one-legged man in an ass-kicking contest, but most times we don’t think past the words to the imagery. In this instance, it’s a delightful mental picture to savor.

  19. joemowrey
    July 15, 2015, 1:29 pm

    This article by Tony Cartalucci is a reminder that this “deal” with Iran is quite likely little more than a fuse for the eventual war of aggression which will be waged against Iran by the U.S./Israel. They have to have a “deal” in place which Iran can then “violate” (by means of a false flag operation carried out by U.S./Israel) to justify the aggression.

    It’s difficult to believe there aren’t more commentators pointing out this very likely scenario. Historically, the U.S. has a nearly perfect track record of not making peace with anyone. We don’t co-exist, we dominate and destroy. Think about it. Then tell me we should believe this situation with Iran will be any different.

    The optimists are kidding themselves. My money is (and has always been) on a war of aggression with Iran sooner or later. Any other outcome would be so far out of character for the U.S. it strains credulity to suggest it.

    • CigarGod
      July 15, 2015, 3:01 pm

      Got real evidence?

      • joemowrey
        July 15, 2015, 4:05 pm

        Evidence of something that hasn’t happened yet? No. But history is it’s own evidence in this case. How many times has the U.S. brokered a lasting peace deal with anyone? How many wars of aggression have we initiated? I say the odds are very much in favor of the scenario I suggested.

        Just ask any Native American about how well our government honors its treaties/agreements. Ask any of the fourteen countries we have bombed since 9/11 just how interested in peace we are.

      • CigarGod
        July 15, 2015, 6:04 pm

        I understand, and if course agree about a lot of our…and human history. But, it seems a pretty big leap to suspect this is a a set up.

        I am just looking for something tangible, is all.

    • Keith
      July 15, 2015, 6:56 pm

      JOEMOWREY- “My money is (and has always been) on a war of aggression with Iran sooner or later.”

      I would suggest that we are at war with Iran now. In this age of globalized full spectrum dominance, war doesn’t have to be the classical military invasion. Our sanctions alone constitute a form of financial warfare. Then there are other types of soft power aggression, not to mention covert ops. I agree that destabilization attempts will continue with the intent of either causing regime change or capitulation to imperial dominance.

      • joemowrey
        July 15, 2015, 10:01 pm



  20. traintosiberia
    July 16, 2015, 12:58 am

    Loud cacophony of echo and repeat chants in unison and collective agreement on the concerns Israel has regarding the deal serves one purpose and only one purpose and that is to squeeze American taxpayers .

    While no one was watching Israel accumulated more gifts and freebies from US and more lands from Palestine in the name fighting terrors ( Anerica doing the fighting) from911 . Now Israel would extract more .
    The tradition goes back to 1948 or earlier .

    AIPAC will have enormous role to play . While Netanyahu will hold the feet ( Obama) to fire for this dastardly act,AIPAC and JINSA will get the marching orders to get the dough

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