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Waking up today, on the 10th Anniversary of BDS, finding this fantastically inspiring flash mob video in my inbox from Adalah-NY: The New York campaign for the Boycott of Israel, I feel so honored to be part of this glorious moral growing movement for Justice in Palestine.

I celebrate we’re in this together and thank everyone for making it happen. Every action, every tweet, every share, every time we speak the truth, with intent, for Justice for Palestine, and believe in our hearts of the inevitability of the righteous path we’re on, we’re one step closer.

You inspire me and I celebrate you. We make it happen.

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  1. HarryLaw
    HarryLaw
    July 9, 2015, 2:07 pm

    I agree Annie, very inspirational. Music by the Proclaimers / I would walk 500 miles. I think.

  2. JLewisDickerson
    JLewisDickerson
    July 9, 2015, 3:10 pm

    RE: “Happy 10th Anniversary BDS”

    TAKE ACTION ! ! ! TAKE ACTION ! ! ! TAKE ACTION ! ! ! TAKE ACTION ! ! ! TAKE ACTION ! ! !

    Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2015 18:04:37 -0400
    From: Just Foreign Policy
    To: DICKERSON
    Subject: Bernie, Tell Hillary: West Bank Settlements Are Not Israel

    Just Foreign Policy

    Dear John,

    On July 2, Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton sent a letter to Haim Saban, a major Clinton donor and fundraiser, expressing her “alarm” over the “Boycott, Divestment, and Sanction movement,” which she called “a global effort to isolate the state of Israel by ending commercial and academic exchanges.” Clinton asserted that “we need to make countering BDS a priority.” Clinton’s letter failed to make any distinction between Israel and Israeli settlements in the West Bank. [1]

    • Urge Bernie Sanders to challenge Hillary to clarify her position on Israeli settlements in the West Bank by signing our petition at MoveOn. – http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/bernie-tell-hillary-west?source=c.em&r_by=1135580

    • echinococcus
      echinococcus
      July 10, 2015, 2:00 am

      Is that a good idea, Dickerson?
      Sanders is as Zionist as all getout (but “liberal”, oh yeah, as we know.) He may be more dangerous than Hillary the Vamp[ire], given that she does it strictly for money but to Sanders, as anyone seeing him react to the questions realizes, it is emotional attachment.

      Besides, not a good idea at all. Let’s stop being the toys of Zionists (but “liberal”, oh yeah) by limiting all action to “settlements”. That moveon nonsense starts with BDS and all of a sudden, without any cogent reason, excuses “Israel” and only targets “settlements”.

      BDS is fine and good, but if it will be permanently hijacked by Zionists, having bylaws changed by night to define occupation as post-1967 only and boycotts limited to same post-1967, all supporters are working to solidify Zionist invasion. That should be clear already.

      • Curatica
        Curatica
        July 10, 2015, 11:41 am

        Well said. The comparison Clinton–Sanders seems very pertinent. Thank you for pointing this out.

        No matter who succeeds Obama, the US government policy toward Palestine cannot but worsen. The future is bleak.

      • JLewisDickerson
        JLewisDickerson
        July 10, 2015, 4:39 pm

        RE: “Sanders is as Zionist as all getout (but “liberal”, oh yeah, as we know.) He may be more dangerous than Hillary…” ~ echinococcus

        MY COMMENT: Sanders is far less than ideal on Israel/Palestine, but I am fairly confident that Hillary Clinton would be considerably worse than Sanders.

      • echinococcus
        echinococcus
        July 10, 2015, 4:50 pm

        Keep your shirt on, Dickerson. BS is not going to have the opportunity of proving you right or wrong. And please keep your eye on the objection, that “take action” BDS BS to entrench and perpetuate Zionist occupation.

  3. DaBakr
    DaBakr
    July 9, 2015, 6:02 pm

    It doesn’t seem like that long. But maybe because of all the more recent gains it seems compressed. 10 yrs takes a good deal of dedication and funding sources.

    • annie
      annie
      July 9, 2015, 7:15 pm

      10 yrs takes a good deal of dedication and funding sources.

      dedication yes, funding sources for the majority of these actions — not so much. just out of curiosity how much do you think it costs the people in the video below to organize their successful campaign to boycott the israeli feis?

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWoEL9w_U7w

      this action, according to the event organizers, led to the cancellation of the event (which was not even the intent of the organizers, just to get people not to travel to israel to participate )

      perhaps you’re unaware that the power of the BDs movement is that it is grassroots. that means most of these actions don’t cost much money, because they are people powered.

      same with most of the actions you can read about by scrolling here:
      http://mondoweiss.net/activism

      • DaBakr
        DaBakr
        July 9, 2015, 11:04 pm

        @an

        ok annie. righto. I believe that BDS is ‘grassroots’ and isn’t funded by international ngo’s that are in turn funded with multi-millions by the PA, Sauds, EU, Qataris and other assorted groups about as much as you believe that aipac is an innocent lobby group pushing Israeli interests in the US and who claims they ‘only’ spent $240,000 on actual lobbying costs last year. i am not going to spend the energy linking to dozens of sources because I am far too lazy and links are just part od the Palestinian and Israeli Hasbara game.

        But I appreciate your attempt to enlighten me. And truly-I didn’t think bds would gain as much traction as it has over 10 yrs even if I have my doubts about its effectiveness.

      • annie
        annie
        July 10, 2015, 12:03 am

        I didn’t think bds would gain as much traction as it has over 10 yrs

        probably because you don’t get that it’s grassroots. it’s got the kind of viral growth money can’t buy.

        i am not going to spend the energy linking to dozens of sources because I am far too lazy

        you and everybody else who makes those silly allegations. everyone seems to have an excuse as to why they can’t source that data. noticed you skipped my question:

        “just out of curiosity how much do you think it costs the people in the video below to organize their successful campaign to boycott the israeli feis?”

        cat got your tongue? here it is again, according to the cancellation notice, the protest that brought down the feis ha ha ha. no wonder you don’t want to answer. nobody pays these people to do this –obviously.

      • justicewillprevail
        justicewillprevail
        July 10, 2015, 7:01 am

        So all you’ve got is innuendo and an admission that you can’t source any of your allegations about ‘multi-millions’ (lol). Of course you can’t be bothered – it would reveal the spurious, fictitious and absurd claims for what they are. Laziness isn’t an excuse for lying.

      • Froggy
        Froggy
        July 10, 2015, 8:42 am

        Annie, I first heard of BDS when we visited elderly friends in London. Over a multi-course European-style lunch both our hostess and her husband urged us to join BDS. I thought the woman was German.

        Some years later she told us that her father was Jewish. He had escaped to England, but she and her mother lived in Germany through the war years in terror that this information would be discovered.

        In short, it was a holocaust survivor who urged us to join the boycott.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        July 10, 2015, 5:23 pm

        “i am not going to spend the energy linking to dozens of sources because I am far too lazy”

        Wouldn’t simply collecting some of the “dozens of sources” in a file you could easily put in any comment take less energy than working yourself up to a case of logorrhea?

      • oldgeezer
        oldgeezer
        July 11, 2015, 2:56 am

        @dabakr

        You live in a bubble. A bubble filled with Israeli propaganda. I became aware of the bus movement after I started to boycott Israeli goods. I have seen entire shipments of Israeli produce rot on store shelves seemingly untouched. When I have tried to spread the movement I usually encounter people who already boycott Israeli goods.

        I pay no dues. I receive no compensation. I have no need to give up my electronics or life saving medications.

        Bds is far more widespread than you think and at some point you won’t be able to buy our politicians off anymore.

        I would love to welcome the state of Israel in frienship. But not as long as it is a criminal human rights business state. It belongs in the gutter with ISIS and the kkk who share the same philosophies and goals. The fact that it seeks judaic supremacy makes it no different than those who seek Islamic or Caucasian supremacy. Bottom feeding scum the lot of them. No double standard there though you employ one to pretend you are moral.

        Every day fewer people are fooled by your lies.

    • Froggy
      Froggy
      July 10, 2015, 9:01 am

      Funding?

      I learned about BDS over dinner from some friends, who aren’t themselves politically active.

      My kids learned about the boycott from my husband and me, and their friends learned about it from them.

      No money was involved. As Annie points out, BDS is people-powered.

      • DaBakr
        DaBakr
        July 10, 2015, 9:35 am

        @frg

        I learned about aipac from MW but that doesn’t make it grassroots. there may be some groups who are active on their own just as I imagine every protest or celebration of Israel in the US is spontaneous action but the money comes from large donors backing the International BDS movement and if you want to pretend otherwise -you can . One of the great hasbara talking points in the Palestinian struggle is to emphasize the individual nature of activists who take up the Palestinian cause including bds as if suddenly the whole world (or whole US) woke up and decided the i/p conflict is the most important thing happening on the globe. And just think….you learned about it over diner with friends. Quaint that you think its so grassroots and not a sophisticated political strategy.

        and @ Frg: your comment , “funding?” reminds me of the people who say, ‘Polling?, Nobody ever polled me’

      • Froggy
        Froggy
        July 10, 2015, 3:08 pm

        DaBakr : “One of the great hasbara talking points in the Palestinian struggle is to emphasize the individual nature of activists who take up the Palestinian cause including bds as if suddenly the whole world (or whole US) woke up and decided the i/p conflict is the most important thing happening on the globe.”

        Oh… there was nothing ‘sudden’ about it. Zionist attrocities began long before I was born, long before most of us were born. BDS is one way that individuals who otherwise have little power and no influence over their governments can affect the Zionist state.

        IOW, we also vote when we make our choices of what to buy, with whom to do business, and where to invest.

        I agree that AIPAC isn’t grass roots. AIPAC is a lobbying group with seventeen regional offices and a budget of $67 million (Fiscal year ending 2010-9-30) [“Form 990, American Israel Public Affairs Committee” (PDF). 990 Finder. Foundation Center.]

        The group does not itself raise funds for political candidates, but helps organize to channel money to candidates.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Israel_Public_Affairs_Committee#cite_note-AIPACTaxForm2010-1

        “…as if suddenly the whole world (or whole US) woke up and decided the i/p conflict is the most important thing happening on the globe.”

        With over 80 million dead in WW2, why do British and American schools spend so many weeks (cumulative) studying the Jewish holocaust in minute detail when only 6 million Jews were killed, as if the US and the UK ‘woke up and decided the holocaust was the most important thing that happened’ during those years?

        There are a number of reasons I can think of that explains why so many Americans and Europeans focus on Israeli atrocities against the Palestinians. One of them is that our governments have supported Israel for years.

        “And just think….you learned about it over diner with friends. Quaint that you think its so grassroots and not a sophisticated political strategy.

        Oh I think BDS is very sophisticated. Most sophisticated of all is that, unlike AIPAC, BDS has harnassed the anger and disgust of individuals all over the world to bring pressure to bear on Israel without spending tens of millions of dollars.

        If our governments won’t sanction Israel, we will. Best of all, no government minister can make any individual buy products he/she doesn’t want to buy, force people into making investments they don’t want to make, or prevent people from refusing to do business with Israeli-friendly companies in our own countries. And as the Brits say : ‘Every Little Helps’.

        http://mondoweiss.net/2015/06/could-israel-billion

        The piggies are already squealing, so we know that BDS is working.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        July 10, 2015, 5:52 pm

        “One of the great hasbara talking points in the Palestinian struggle…”

        Well, look at that, when “Dabakr” wishes to indict, to identify, what he considers an odious form of propaganda, he calls it “hasbara”!

        No “Dabakr”, with “hasbara” you have something exclusively Israeli. You ought to take credit for it, and keep it for yourselves. Nobody else does “hasbara” the same.

      • DaBakr
        DaBakr
        July 10, 2015, 8:30 pm

        @fg

        BDS is “people powered” the same way Israel is ‘people powered’ with Zionists. The same way that there are organized events that support Israel in the US to both celebrate Israel and to counter almost every anti-Zionist rally. . And I suspect that as Israel comes to terms with the gains made by bids their strategy will change from ‘ignore and hope’ to a more offensive battle. You know this, Annie knows this and MW knows this as well. I imagine you all expect this. PW has been gushing about the prospects of a worldwide embracing of bds and a ‘war;’ between anti-Zionist and liberal Ziniost for years. so-for now-you;ll have to remain content with mostly PR gains in the media as Israels economy is extremely strong and trade is up even among nations that don’t support Israel outwardly but depend on israeli trade for billions internally [e.g. Turkey. Egypt, India (which recently abstained from an anti-Israel vote in UN for 1st time in decades) and China-also Russia.

        . So-while bds has made gains if they are analyzed in the context of effectiveness there are equal off-sets that are balancing the gains of bds -at least for now. That may change. Just don’t forget what a small portion of the far-left fringe actually supports the rather radical Zionist hating views espoused by MW, its editors and its commentaries. But you guys have become experts at harnessing publicity. That doesn’t come cheap in this world. It takes PR firms, outside advisors and a willing and large cadre of ‘volunteers’ with ‘minders to keep things on pointe. That said-it does not negate that many in BDS are grassroots-without the movement itself being grassroots.

      • annie
        annie
        July 11, 2015, 2:26 am

        BDS is “people powered” the same way Israel is ‘people powered’ with Zionists.

        oh really, last i heard the american tax payers weren’t propping up bds with billions a year. and where’s our adelson?

        The same way that there are organized events that support Israel in the US to both celebrate Israel and to counter almost every anti-Zionist rally.

        let me guess, you have dozens of sources but can’t be bothered to link to even one of them demonstrating bds has fundraising dinners garnering 10’s of million on one night, like pro israel groups!

        And I suspect that as Israel comes to terms with the gains made by bids their strategy will change from ‘ignore and hope’ to a more offensive battle. You know this, Annie knows this and MW knows this as well.

        what ignore and hope? maybe you missed the ‘bds’ is responsible for 9/11, they are nazis and every other name in the book. if this is what you call ‘ignore’, i’ve got a bridge to sell you. and if you want to peddle your little unsource lies, don’t think you can get away w/doubling down claiming i “know this”. seriously , you sound like a wack job.

        you guys have become experts at harnessing publicity. That doesn’t come cheap in this world. It takes PR firms, outside advisors and a willing and large cadre of ‘volunteers’ with ‘minders to keep things on pointe.

        speaking of PR firms, outside advisors — as i recall mondoweiss was on the front line of staging our (bds) very own coup d’état against a an ad campaign that absolutely spent a fortune on pr firms and outside advisors. it’s just that bds didn’t have to pay for it. but we totally benefitted from it. there was no pr firm telling me to write this: http://mondoweiss.net/2014/01/johansson-sodastream-palestinians

        i just woke up one morning, saw the news, and wrote it. really. all on my little lonesome.

        but i couldn’t have done it, no way could i have done it without the big money experts behind the scenes for soda stream. no way. because every single penny going into that scarjo affair, we were the ones who reaped the benefit, but it didn’t cost us a cent. and you know what? it’s no different than adelson’s recent vas vegas 50 million dollar haul for the new campus maccabees. fancy pr firms? check! outside advisors? check! but it won’t cost us a penny. you know why? read about it at the forward:

        http://forward.com/opinion/311489/why-adelson-anti-bds-campaign-is-bound-to-backfire/

        we don’t have to pay for this. it’s facts there for the taking. we’ll so reap the benefits tho (read the links).

        and that little scarjo article set of a chain of events that led to ny mag coining the blood bubbles line days later…leading to the new yorker…and netanyahu screaming boycott 18 times at the aipac conference. but i know of no pr firms involved bds had to pay to make this happen:

        http://mondoweiss.net/2014/01/representing-settlement-sodastream

        that graphic was free (i know the artist) as were all of steph westbrooks graphics which got picked up (for free) by the msm. so whatever fantasy you’re on, that team zionist is on ‘ignore and hope’ mode, seriously we must live on different planets. because they sure as heck sound to me like they’re screaming from the rooftops and hiring every pr hack in nyt and dc. but it all just serves to benefit us because..we’re people powered.

        ;)

      • Froggy
        Froggy
        July 11, 2015, 3:52 pm

        What a load of bilge ! Others on MW gave excellent responses, so I won’t bother.

        I will mention that I was able to get the local supermarkets and stores to remove Israeli products from their shelves, and no one paid me, just as no one paid Maria and her shipmates for their time and expenses.

    • zaid
      zaid
      July 10, 2015, 5:34 pm

      Dabakr

      you forgot Iran and ISIS.

      Anyway, i hope that BDS will receive billions of dollars of support because they deserve that.

      • DaBakr
        DaBakr
        July 10, 2015, 8:33 pm

        @zd

        finally. an honest response that isn’t absurdly defensive. it is insulting to the Palestinians and their sponsors to assume they haven’t put together an extremely effective and expensive dual policy of BDS( law-fare} and ‘lone-wolf’ attacks (warfare)

      • annie
        annie
        July 11, 2015, 3:00 am

        finally. an honest response that isn’t absurdly defensive.

        i too hope that BDS will receive billions of dollars of support because they deserve that. all better now.

      • zaid
        zaid
        July 11, 2015, 12:30 am

        nope ……there are no policies of support for the palestinians except back stabbing them.

        But i hope there will be one day because they deserve it.

    • Kris
      Kris
      July 12, 2015, 7:29 pm

      DaBakr, I know you don’t post sources for your info, but could you at least post one link to a source that will pay me for all the BDS outreach that I now do for free?

      I retired recently, and while I’m doing okay, thanks to my union, I wouldn’t turn down a little extra income stream. Thanks for your help with this.

  4. Citizen
    Citizen
    July 10, 2015, 12:59 pm

    The times, they are a-changin’
    Today, I watched the Rebel battle flag be lowered, and given to a black American in uniform. Is there anything here re the Israeli flag? Return to MW of yesteryear: http://mondoweiss.net/2011/11/video-celebrating-freedom-riders-likens-israeli-flag-to-confederate-flag

  5. Qualtrough
    Qualtrough
    July 10, 2015, 2:10 pm

    DaBakr – You are so right! Those production values, flashy dance costumes, big name stars, great sound track, and the fancy venue must have cost tens of thousands of dollars! A slick production like this certainly required some deep pockets and foreign funding. It is certainly not something some dedicated people who believe in a cause could have put together by themselves. I strongly suspect that the Saudis were behind this video given their immense riches. Who else could afford this type of thing?

  6. mariapalestina
    mariapalestina
    July 10, 2015, 2:40 pm

    I’m sure DaBakr would claim all our efforts in support of freedom for Palestine are well funded

  7. mariapalestina
    mariapalestina
    July 10, 2015, 2:52 pm

    I’m sure DaBakr would claim all efforts in support of freedom for Palestine are well funded, most likely including Free Gaza’s successful 2-boat flotilla that broke the blockade of Gaza five years ago. DeBakr doesn’t seem to get it that true activists don’t ask or expect to be paid for their activism. It took us two years to raise enough money to buy two ramshackle boats, FREE GAZA and LIBERTY, and we did it without any help from corporations or governments or NGO’s (or billionaires like Adelson & Saban) We did it with small contributions from ordinary people, from a few U.S. LIBERTY survivors who sent in their Navy pensions, from thousands of people who supported our crazy idea even if skeptical it could come to pass. We held bake sales and rummage sales and raffles. There was no Facebook or Twitter. No Indiegogo or GoFundMe. And every one of us paid his or her own way to Cyprus, plus raising a thousand euros to pay for fuel and food and other costs of getting our boats afloat. We are not unusual. We are just activists, and we are beholden to no group and no government. That’s the kind of commitment to human rights and justice that people like DaBakr can’t comprehend or accept.

    • bintbiba
      bintbiba
      July 10, 2015, 3:36 pm

      mariapalestina, I love your nom de plume !

      Thank you for setting the DaBakr straight !
      And good on you for all the work you do.

      Thank you.

    • mariapalestina
      mariapalestina
      July 10, 2015, 3:53 pm

      Sorry for partial double posting. And to clarify, EACH of us had to contribute a thousand euros to pay for fuel, food and water for the voyage. We hadn’t realized just how much fuel it would take, and we anticipated the possibility of spending up to three weeks in the Mediterranean so we had to take enough food & water. (We were so naive we couldn’t even comprehend Israeli pirates would actually attack and board our boats.)

      • justicewillprevail
        justicewillprevail
        July 10, 2015, 6:06 pm

        I take my hat off to you, Maria. You and your associates are a great example of the commitment of ordinary people without the backing of billionaire’s casino funds. DaBak cannot understand the commitment that blatant injustice inspires. He’s a fine one to talk about money when the IDF pocketed the personal possessions of people they illegally arrested. Although he could tip us off where those millions are to be obtained in order to oppose zionist piracy and theft. Because he definitely knows about it, it’s just that he can’t find those sources ‘cos he’s a bit tired. All that blowhard commenting has just worn him right out.

      • a blah chick
        a blah chick
        July 10, 2015, 7:02 pm

        Yours is the type of commitment that Saban and Adelson will never understand. It’s people like you who show true bravery in this world.

        A thousand kisses and a big hug!

    • Bornajoo
      Bornajoo
      July 10, 2015, 6:53 pm

      Bravo to you mariapalestina! Thank you for everything you do

      And many thanks Annie

  8. mariapalestina
    mariapalestina
    July 10, 2015, 6:32 pm

    Thank you for the kind words. Looking back I think it was a case of fools rushing in where angels feared to tread. We knew nothing about boats. We were four women and a man who had all been kicked out of Israel because of our work with Palestinians, and we were dumb enough to believe we could hire a boat and sail to Gaza. We quickly discovered nobody would rent us their boat for that purpose, but we refused to let that stop us. We were 44 people, passengers and crew, and many more who weren’t able to sail with us but without whom we would never have made it. Two of my fellow passengers, Vittorio Arrigoni and Sister Ann Montgomery, are gone from us now. Incidentally, it was 7 years ago, not 5. We landed on August 23, 2008, the first civilian boats in over 41 years to reach Gaza Port.

    • bintbiba
      bintbiba
      July 10, 2015, 7:33 pm

      All of you true heroes

    • DaBakr
      DaBakr
      July 10, 2015, 9:07 pm

      Arrigoni being slaughtered by Gazan residents who -wether salafist or hamas affiliated were none the less given extremely reduced sentences-something MW would excoriate Israel for doing.

      • justicewillprevail
        justicewillprevail
        July 11, 2015, 3:44 am

        Hmmm, so you failed to provide any evidence for your ridiculous assertions, claimed that BDS is only successful because of those shady ‘millions’ of secret funding, then told us how ineffective BDS is, following it up with this feeble attempt to denigrate Maria by bringing up and exploiting a tragic death entirely unrelated to her actions and dumping it in this thread.
        So all you’ve got to offer is hate and vitriol, no arguments, some sneering and smearing, and an attitude that sounds like an immature teenage zealot. That’ll be very effective in persuading people that they are doing the right thing in freely spending their time opposing the ideology you so charmingly espouse.

  9. Citizen
    Citizen
    July 11, 2015, 8:24 am

    Former President of apartheid South Africa says there’s no apartheid in Israel, no discrimination–guess he didn’t get that memo from Biship Tutu? Here’s what De Klerk says: http://www.timesofisrael.com/de-klerk-odious-to-compare-israel-to-apartheid-south-africa/

  10. Citizen
    Citizen
    July 11, 2015, 9:02 am

    Anybody see any irony in this: The 7 Noahide Laws:

    The seven Noahide laws (via Wikepedia) as traditionally enumerated are:

    Do not deny God.
    Do not blaspheme God.
    Do not murder.
    Do not engage in incest, adultery, pederasty or bestiality, as well as homosexual relations.
    Do not steal.
    Do not eat of a live animal.
    Establish courts/legal system to ensure law and obedience.
    US Government supports: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c102:H.J.RES.104.ENR:

    How’s Bibi doing on # 3 & #5? How’d Chaney do?

  11. jon s
    jon s
    July 11, 2015, 4:29 pm

    The case of Sodastream is a good illustration of how misguided the bds campaign is.
    Sodastream announced that it’s closing it’s factory in the WB and building instead a facility in the Negev, near the Bedouin town of Rahat.
    With that announcement the boycott of Sodastream should have ended , and the company should have been commended for ending its complicity in the occupation and for its decision to relocate to Rahat, where it will provide much-needed jobs.
    I get the feeling that some “pro-Palestinian” activists simply hate Israel more than they actually care about real, live, flesh-and-blood Palestinian people.

    • echinococcus
      echinococcus
      July 11, 2015, 4:40 pm

      John S,

      Moving something from one point of invaded Palestine to another may satisfy the Zionist supporters of BDS. It’s meaningless for what I believe to be the majority of boycotters, who do as much as they can to identify any and all products of the Zionist entity and all other manufacturers directly supporting Zionist occupation. As for your so touching concern for Palestinian jobs, I’ll believe it when you do something about it, i.e. get out.

      • jon s
        jon s
        July 12, 2015, 3:36 pm

        Hechinococcus, thanks for your comment, which shows that for the extremists, it’s not about the occupation or the settlements, the issue is our presence in any part of the country.

      • echinococcus
        echinococcus
        July 12, 2015, 4:48 pm

        Hextremist? How so? There is nothing extreme in defining an armed invader illegal. In fact it’s the default position of all courts. More: some courts will also agree that I have to shoot any trespassers on my land.

    • talknic
      talknic
      July 11, 2015, 6:04 pm

      jon s “The case of Sodastream is a good illustration of how misguided the bds campaign is.”

      Uh huh

      “Sodastream announced that it’s closing it’s factory in the WB and building instead a facility in the Negev, near the Bedouin town of Rahat.”

      Not in any occupied territories … right. That was the point of BDS. Kinda shows it worked in that instant

      “With that announcement the boycott of Sodastream should have ended , and the company should have been commended for ending its complicity in the occupation and for its decision to relocate to Rahat, …”

      WTF should ANYONE be commended for adhering to the law after having been reminded of it for the past 39 years ?

      ” where it will provide much-needed jobs.”

      Jolly good. However, if jobs are much needed there WTF didn’t they locate it there 1st instead of breaking the law?

      “I get the feeling that some “pro-Palestinian” activists simply hate Israel more than they actually care about real, live, flesh-and-blood Palestinian people.”

      Your transparent concern for the Palestinians is sooooo cute. Now if Israel would kindly get out of non-Israeli territories and stop strangling the Palestinian economy…

  12. jon s
    jon s
    July 12, 2015, 3:45 pm

    talknic, You may find it hard to believe, but I’m sincerely concerned about the Palestinian economy and society. Not out of altruism, but because I don’t believe it’s “zero-sum”, I don’t think that it’s good for Israel for the Palestinians to be miserable, and vice versa.

    • jon s
      jon s
      July 13, 2015, 6:33 am

      As Israelis, we have a vested interest in Palestinian prosperity.
      Too bad our government apparently doesn’t see it that way…

      • diasp0ra
        diasp0ra
        July 13, 2015, 6:39 am

        Great! Does the prosperity of the millions in refugee camps also count? Cos you kinda have your house only because they don’t have theirs :)

        Let’s bring them back and compensate them, it’s only fair, right?

      • eljay
        eljay
        July 13, 2015, 8:16 am

        || diasp0ra: … Let’s bring them back and compensate them, it’s only fair, right? ||

        It is fair, but it involves justice and accountability and Zio-supremacists will have none of that. All they want is “peace”.

  13. bintbiba
    bintbiba
    July 13, 2015, 8:03 am

    Touché , diasp0ra !

    diasp0ra July 13, 2015, 6:3

    “Great! Does the prosperity of the millions in refugee camps also count? Cos you kinda have your house only because they don’t have theirs :)

    Let’s bring them back and compensate them, it’s only fair, right?”

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