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It was heroic to throw a brick at Stonewall but Palestinians who throw stones can be shot

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Last night, National Public Radio featured a story about a controversy over the Stonewall riots of 1969 that helped liberate America. Who threw the first brick? the headline asks. Throwing the brick was a heroic act. A new film that fictionalizes the riots gives that brick to a white man who finds out his lover cheated on him. But an organizer for the Gay Straight Alliance Network has started a petition against the scene because she says it whitewashes a political moment, leaving out people of color and transgender people.

“It’s a statement saying who are we going to… respect and who are we going to portray as the power minds behind this movement?” says Pat Cordova-Goff.

Well, it’s one thing to throw a brick against oppression 36 years ago in New York and another to throw a stone against oppression in Palestine.

This morning on National Public Radio, Emily Harris filed a report on the latest rules allowing Israel to shoot youths throwing stones. She said that the rules are similar to orders in the West Bank; and now they are being applied to “Israel proper.” Wait: She is talking about occupied and annexed Jerusalem. The 300,000 Palestinian residents of Jerusalem don’t have equal rights. Though they live in what NPR calls “Israel proper,” they can’t vote in Israeli elections unless they take Israeli citizenship, thereby legitimizing the occupation, which they don’t wish to do. Their neighborhoods are being further undermined by colonizers. Their property is routinely stolen, their views ignored by those who govern them. Some youths are throwing stones. NPR should be talking to these people.

The double standard is an expression of PEP. Progressive Except Palestine. From Bernie Sanders to NPR to the Berkeley human welfare commission, our progressives celebrate American civil rights advances while accepting the persecution of millions in Palestine on the basis of their ethnicity. It’s not right; and the hypocrisy is so patent that it will not escape young, well-informed people. (As I hope the new generation of young diverse anchors on NPR, Audie Cornish, Kelly McEvers, Ari Shapiro, Arun Rath, appreciates).

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  1. pabelmont
    pabelmont
    September 25, 2015, 11:48 am

    Israel Improper? Good name for, I suppose, Israel-48 + occupied by-Israel-co-called-Jerusalem.

    However, going to what is said on NPR, how long do you think a reporter/anchor/news-reader on NPR would retain employment if such person came out honestly on Palestine? And would a talking-head who did so be invited back? How often do we hear an interview with, say, Chomsky?

    • JLewisDickerson
      JLewisDickerson
      September 25, 2015, 12:40 pm

      WHY NPR IS “PEP”: I recall watching a video some years ago about a forum including a participant from NPR. When they took questions from the audience, an old geezer like myself went to the microphone. Instead of asking a question about the topic, he angrily asked the NPR guy why he should continue making donations/contributions to NPR when they employed people like the NPR guy who were [allegedly] so critical of Israel. He was really obnoxious.
      Multiply that “old geezer” by many thousands!

  2. hophmi
    hophmi
    September 25, 2015, 2:19 pm

    Why is it different? Because Palestinian stone throwing actually kills and maims people. The Palestinians at Al-Aqsa have a long history of throwing stones at the worshippers below, well before there were any checkpoints or restrictions on who could pray at Al-Aqsa. In the West Bank, it’s killed families driving on the roads.

    If you don’t believe me, Phil, stand at a 20 foot distance and have a Palestinian slingshot a stone at your head, and let me know if you still have all of your senses after the stone hits you. Or stand at the Wailing Wall and experience stone throwing from a few dozen feet above. Generally, when people drop large, heavy objects on the heads of crowds below, people get injured.

    Since you’re critical of the Israeli response, you would certainly be critical of the American response. In the United States, if someone throws a stone with the intent to kill, as many Palestinians have done, it’s a lot more than 4 years in prison. And if they throw stones at police officers, and they don’t stop throwing them when they’re told to stop, what do you think will happen here?

    • echinococcus
      echinococcus
      September 25, 2015, 4:08 pm

      Hophmi again,
      with a claim, of course, that the Palestinian people have no right to defend themselves by resisting their invaders by all means appropriate, including stones against the occupier. The Zionist entity, though has all the right to defend itself including by nuking Beirut or Athens as per Hophmi.

      He forgot again that keeping civilians (even if soldiers in the reserve) on occupied soil is a war crime, so that if they by miracle happen to be in harm’s way the only one responsible for putting them there is the Zionist entity, the administrative body that brought the illegal immigration into a war zone –of a war of its own initiative. Civilians caught by a well-aimed rocket or bomb are collateral damage, just consult your Tsahal instructions. I suppose we may stretch that to a stone, too.

      And his invoking pity on “worshippers”! As if there was a religious exemption to the interdiction of civilian tourism from the occupying power.
      The problem is that it is a bit of a problem in asking for papers proving a pre-Zionism Jewish Palestinian origin before throwing that rock, so the ones who have joined the Zionist side have also chosen where they stand.

      He’s been told, though, but there’s no way of telling if he ever reads anything other than his talking points from the ha-sebara ministry.

      Also, his bringing the Zionist-trained and commanded US pigs as an example of something to look up to really cracks one up. We know it. Ever heard about Ferguson-Palestine? I suppose not.

      Careful what you wish, soldier Hophmi. Your Yahoo is shooting for one more Intifada so he can continue with the next tranche of genocide, but things have a way of turning different than planned. Especially these days.

      PS. And don’t forget that all Palestine is invaded and occupied

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      September 25, 2015, 4:14 pm

      Hophmi, why is anybody obligated to obey Israeli police in Jerusalem?

    • echinococcus
      echinococcus
      September 25, 2015, 4:16 pm

      xperience stone throwing from a few dozen feet above. Generally, when people drop large, heavy objects on the heads of crowds below, people get injured

      So that is why the Tsahalista Zionist dreck immediately shoot to kill the colonist Zionist dreck in Al-Khalil when they start their daily routine. Now I understand.

    • tokyobk
      tokyobk
      September 25, 2015, 4:29 pm

      Rock throwing is a tactic. It can be done out of hate (as happened to my friend’s grandmother in Egypt in the 1930’s (she lost an eye) or even my dad in 1950’s Philadelphia (apparently he killed Christ). Or, it can be done out of resistance to conquest.

      It all depends on the legitimacy of the government and the intention of the rock-throwers.

      If I/P was a 1 person 1 vote with guarantees for minority groups then yeah, try them in court and if guilty lock up rock throwers.

      But its not. Its a battleground and everyone is choosing the weapon available to them.

    • lysias
      lysias
      September 25, 2015, 5:21 pm

      How many Israelis have been killed or seriously injured by stones thrown by Palestinians? Any?

      • DaBakr
        DaBakr
        September 25, 2015, 7:30 pm

        @ly

        as one who is constantly citing ‘historical’ references to events its stunning you know nothing about the dozens if not 100s of deaths caused by rocks , stones and boulders. (of Ycoursewith the Palestinian hasbarist constantly referring to “pebbles” it all sounds so harmless. But just the most recent:
        And Israeli man had a boulder thrown thru his windshied causing him to lose control smash into a wall and die.

        In ’11 the Palmers, baby son Donation and father were killed by a boulder smashing through their windshield.
        there was another baby girl who lingered in a coma for year or two that died

        and…. the other dozens who have been severely injured with traumatic brain injuries by rocks, sling-shot stones and boulders.

        maybe people here should take hp’s ‘test’ and have somebody shoot a lime sized round and smooth stone at your forehead and see how it feels if it doesn’t crush your skull.

      • Kris
        Kris
        September 25, 2015, 8:51 pm

        Very good article on +972mag, “Why Do They Throw Stones?” http://972mag.com/why-do-they-throw-stones/111788/

        The stone-throwing is a result of Israel’s illegal occupation and ethnic cleansing of Palestine.

        The members of the Palmer family, Jewish Israeli settlers living on stolen Palestinian land, suffered and died while facilitating Israel’s ethnic cleansing. The Jewish Israeli man (Alexander Levlovitz) who died in Jerusalem after his car was hit by rocks (not by a “boulder,” ) was driving in Occupied East Jerusalem.

        Why should Jewish Israelis live in comfort and safety while destroying the lives of the Palestinians?

      • talknic
        talknic
        September 26, 2015, 2:50 am

        @ DaBakr You’re yapping up the wrong tree pal

        Take your whining to the Zionist Federation and the sick government who encourage and assist Israeli civilians to be in breach of GC IV, a convention adopted to protect all civilians, including those of the Occupying Power, from being caught up in the almost certain violence expected when occupying another people.

    • eljay
      eljay
      September 25, 2015, 6:16 pm

      || hophmi: … Palestinian stone throwing actually kills and maims people. … ||

      Rubber-coated bullets, live ammunition, white phosphorus, DU munitions and cluster bombs kill and maim people, too. Jewish supremacists and the supremacist “Jewish State” have been actually killing and maiming – and actually torturing and oppressing – people for almost 70 years.

    • Kris
      Kris
      September 25, 2015, 9:53 pm

      @hophmi: “Or stand at the Wailing Wall and experience stone throwing from a few dozen feet above. Generally, when people drop large, heavy objects on the heads of crowds below, people get injured.”

      Is that why the Jews in occupied Hebron drop heavy objects on the heads of the Palestinians below?

      Christian peacemaker volunteer Kathleen Kern said there’s a stereotype that the most violent settlers are American.

      “We encounter the vicious ones more often because they’re looking to provoke you,” said Lawrence.

      An oddity of life in the Old City of Hebron are wire nets stretched over rooftops. The nets are strewn with plastic bottles, paper and garbage. Kern explained that many Palestinian families have a protective screen over their courtyard to protect them from settlers dropping blocks of concrete and other objects onto them.

      If the mesh is broken, the Palestinians have to apply for a permit to get a new screen and must pay a fee both for the new permit and the new screen. http://www.natcath.org/NCR_Online/archives/101802/101802f.htm

      BTW, do you have any links to reports of Jews being stoned at the Wailing Wall? All I can find is one article about a woman on a bus near the Wailing Wall who received minor, superficial injuries. Can’t find anything about large, heavy objects dropped on crowds at the Wailing Wall.

    • inbound39
      inbound39
      September 26, 2015, 12:54 am

      Hophmi….you miss the point and ultimately the reality. If Israel was not conducting an illegal Occupation and was not shooting unarmed Palestinians dead at will or demolishing their homes and illegally transferring them out of Palestine they would not be getting stones thrown at them by Palestinians. They have a legal right to oppose the Occupation by use of arms just like Israeli jews opposed Occupation by Germans in Europe and Jews under Occupation by British troops did prior to the Jewish State. Or are you saying jews do not throw stones now or that jews throw soft non violent rocks?Israel brings stone throwers on itself…..settlers deserve ALL they get regards being opposed,they are simply scumbags and disputably human.

    • talknic
      talknic
      September 26, 2015, 2:01 am

      @ hophmi Are you really that stupid? You’re bitching to the wrong people .

      Go whine to the Zionist Federation who decided to colonize Palestine in 1897.

      Take your complaints to the sick Government that assists its civilians to be in breach of GC IV, a convention adopted in order to protect civilians, including those of the Occupying Power, from becoming embroiled in the almost certain violent consequences of occupying another people.

      ” In the United States, if someone throws a stone with the intent to kill “

      The US is not under occupation. People under occupation have a right to attack armed foreigners in Occupied territory. They even have the right to extend their resistance across the borders into the territory of the Occupying Power

    • WH
      WH
      September 26, 2015, 4:52 pm

      On the other hand, when West Bank settlers throw stones at Palestinian children, there’s no penalty whatsoever. Funny, huh?

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