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Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu slammed Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas today for failing to condemn the killing of an American tourist in Jaffa yesterday evening in an attack where 10 more were injured. 

Speaking alongside Vice President Joe Biden who is in the region on an official visit rumored to re-start peace talks, Netanyahu charged, “Unfortunately President Abbas has not only refused to condemn these terrorist attacks, his Fatah party actually praised the murderer of this American citizen as a Palestinian martyr and a hero.”

Biden added Tuesday’s events were a “heinous terrorist attack,” and relayed his family was having dinner 20 minutes away along a beachside promenade.

“My wife and my two grandchildren and granddaughter are having dinner on the beach not very far from where that happened. I don’t know exactly whether it’s 100 meters or 1,000 meters, and it just brings home that it can happen,” the Vice President said.

Abbas who is scheduled to meet with Biden this evening in Ramallah, has not released a statement on yesterday’s events. The attacker was identified by police as Bashar Masalha, 22, from the West Bank. Hamas claimed responsibility for the stabbings over social media.

Israeli forces raided the Masalha’s family home overnight near Qalqiliya in the West Bank.

Slain American graduate student and veteran Taylor Force who was killed yesterday in an attack south of Tel Aviv by a Palestinian. (Photo: Facebook)

Slain American graduate student and veteran Taylor Force who was killed yesterday in an attack south of Tel Aviv by a Palestinian. (Photo: Facebook)

The American victim was identified as Taylor Force, a 29-year old graduate student at Vanderbilt University, who was in Israel on a class trip. Force was a veteran, serving two tours in Afghanistan and Iraq and completed his undergraduate studies at West Point.

Knife used the yesterday's stabbing attack in Jaffa where American tourist Taylor Force was killed. (Photo: Israeli police)

Knife used the yesterday’s stabbing attack in Jaffa where American tourist Taylor Force was killed. (Photo: Israeli police)

Force’s killing was unusual, taking place near the Jaffa port at a busy commercial location where Palestinians and Israelis often mix. Two Palestinian citizens of Israel and one pregnant tourist were among those injured in the attack. 

Israel’s security agency Shin Beit said last month that Palestinians have attempted or carried out at least 228 attacks on Israelis since October. Yet a majority of the assaults have taken place in the West Bank targeting either Israeli soldiers or settlers.

Force’s killing was the third attack to take place on Tuesday.

Yesterday a Palestinian from the northern West Bank town of Zawiya stabbed an Israeli in Peta Tikva before he was shot dead at the scene, said Israeli police. In Jerusalem two Palestinians from the East Jerusalem neighborhood of Issawiya opened fire on officers, critically injuring two near the Damascus Gate, according to the police statement.

Israeli police also stated both of yesterday’s attackers from the West Bank had entered into Israel illegally, and did not possess any special travel or work permits. Israel’s Public Security Minister Gilad Erdan said yesterday in an emergency meeting that he would broaden efforts to prevent Palestinians without documents from entering Israel.

The killings mark a spike in attacks that have persisted since last October, leaving five Palestinian attackers killed by police and the American tourist in the span of 24 hours. Over the past five months Palestinians have killed at least 30 Israelis and Israeli forces have killed more than 180 Palestinians, a majority of whom were shot after allegedly carrying out attacks on Israelis.

Earlier today two Palestinians from the Kfar Aqab neighborhood of Jerusalem were killed by police after opening fire on a bus outside of the Old City seriously wounding one, said Israeli police.

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  1. a blah chick
    a blah chick
    March 9, 2016, 4:01 pm

    “Netanyahu charged, “Unfortunately President Abbas has not only refused to condemn these terrorist attacks, his Fatah party actually praised the murderer of this American citizen as a Palestinian martyr and a hero.”

    Assuming this is true then why doesn’t Netanyahu instruct one of his assassination squads to take him out? Why don’t they invade and depose the entire government? Also why shouldn’t Palestinians be able to stab Americans when they let Israel shoot them?

  2. yourstruly
    yourstruly
    March 9, 2016, 5:20 pm

    Jewish Israelis

    grab your 2nd passport
    and pack your bags
    leave your fears at the airport
    between the mediterranean
    and the the jordan
    palestine for palestinians
    from now on

  3. Kay24
    Kay24
    March 9, 2016, 8:45 pm

    Yeah really, why doesn’t Abbas condemn this killing, pretend to be outraged, and then do nothing? It works well for Nutty, when the illegal settlers kill, burn, and attack innocent people.
    Nutty certainly does not live by example.

  4. inbound39
    inbound39
    March 10, 2016, 5:46 am

    Biden condems Abbas for the death of an Israeli American but makes no condemnation of the thousands of Palestinians Israel has killed nor does he term Israeli actions as terrorism. Nor does Biden apologise for American complicity in Palestinian Deaths by supplying the weaponry and Ammunition that killed them. America could have solved the conflict decades ago by acting on its own Foreign Policy and withholding aid until Israel withdraws from Palestinian Territory and ceases illegal settlement building. Either America stands by its Foreign Policy or it ends up looking like its toothless before the World. Biden and the Obama Government have stood by during Netanyahu’s tenure and done nothing whilst Israel has built more illegal settlement buildings than at any time in Israel’s History. Israel has succeeded in making America look stupid and Biden and Obama by doing nothing have proved to the World that its okay to be as insulting as you like to the US President and you can undermine their government and Election process and nothing will happen. And Americans wonder why their status has dropped.

    • Boomer
      Boomer
      March 10, 2016, 2:58 pm

      re “Nor does Biden apologise for American complicity in Palestinian Deaths by supplying the weaponry and Ammunition that killed them.”

      So true. He just gives Israel more money and moral support.

    • eljay
      eljay
      March 10, 2016, 3:11 pm

      || inbound39: … Biden and the Obama Government have stood by during Netanyahu’s tenure and done nothing whilst Israel has built more illegal settlement buildings than at any time in Israel’s History. Israel has succeeded in making America look stupid and Biden and Obama by doing nothing have proved to the World that its okay to be as insulting as you like to the US President and you can undermine their government and Election process and nothing will happen. … ||

      American leaders and politicians have done far worse than nothing in response to Israel’s past and on-going (war) crimes: They have openly validated and justified the crimes; excused and absolved the criminals; and made the U.S. complicit in Israel’s criminal behaviour thanks to endlessly-repeated vows of an “unshakeable bond” based on “shared common values”.

      American leaders and politicians seem to hate Americans almost as much as Zio-supremacists hate Jews.

  5. Mayhem
    Mayhem
    March 10, 2016, 6:52 am

    Force’s killing was unusual, taking place near the Jaffa port at a busy commercial location where Palestinians and Israelis often mix. Two Palestinian citizens of Israel and one pregnant tourist were among those injured in the attack.

    If you start reading the wikipedia article on Arab citizens of Israel you will realize that many Israeli Arabs might identify as Palestinian and designate themselves as Palestinian citizens of Israel, but that does not acknowledge the fact that many Israeli Arabs don’t care for the Palestinian label and all its trappings. More and more Israeli Arabs realize that as Arabs they can get a better deal living as citizens of Israel than in any Arab country.
    For Deger to use the terms ‘Palestinian’ and ‘Israeli Arab’ interchangeably is perpetuating a trope.

    • traintosiberia
      traintosiberia
      March 10, 2016, 11:00 am

      “More and more Israeli Arabs realize that as Arabs they can get a better deal living as citizens of Israel than in any Arab country. – ”

      More and more Mexicans ,Hondurans,Guatemalans,and Native Indians realize that as hyphenated-Americans or in reservations they can live better and succeed more by living in US than in Mexico,Honduras,Guatemala or in pre 1880 America.

      Cart is before the horse. Your argument is not moving. Without Israel ,there would have been no sufferings of Arab. There would have been one Arab country or two – one dominated by UK another by France and eventually both would have got independence .

      Honduran and Mexicans ,Colombian will not come to US were not for the killings,destruction, pillage and pervasive insecurity created by US from 19th century and still counting . They would have charted out a path to development like rest of the countries in Europe or SE Asia have.
      But that evolution was denied and denied repeatedly in case of Arab countries because they could not adjust to any US polices . And the Arabs could not adjust since US policies were bending like twigs to and fro ,up and down, and continues to do from persistent Israeli nudge and push and threats against US and West.
      Israel does it because it has found out that the on going fights and frictions have more to offer than the break out of peace has to . A peaceful ME will remind US not to send money to Israel, not to open US market to Israel or to OT, not to allow Israeli intelligence to steal data and copyrighted products , not to get insider information in researches , not to grab security and economy related items in the name of an alliance , wont allow Israeli citizen to come and occupy sensitive government positions , will not allow America on fall back on default mode of thinking militarily everytime a something new happens in ME ( Just yesterday Clinton threatened more sanctions on Iran for test firing missiles. Iran has not violated any international agreed laws .Even the so called previous violations of many laws were violations because Israel forced America to declare those activities as violations when done by Iran )

      Even the sufferings of Arabs started mostly after 1991 gulf wars which was perpetrated on behalf of Israel. Palestine suffering started in 1917 when Israel was conceived .

      • Mayhem
        Mayhem
        March 10, 2016, 8:43 pm

        @trainsiberia, your argument is preposterous.

        Without Israel there would have been no sufferings of Arab

        Take stock of over 300,000 Arabs killed in neighbouring Syria before you utter such rubbish.

    • eljay
      eljay
      March 10, 2016, 11:50 am

      || Mayhem: … More and more Israeli Arabs realize that as Arabs they can get a better deal living as citizens of Israel than in any Arab country. … ||

      Well, sure: Israel is a “moral beacon” and a “light unto the nations” not quite as bad as Saudi Arabia, Mali and African “hell-holes”.

      Not that that in any way excuses Jewish supremacism, the existence of Israel as a religion-supremacist state or any of the past and on-going (war) crimes committed by Zio-supremacists or by their “Jewish State”.

      • MHughes976
        MHughes976
        March 10, 2016, 12:38 pm

        Almost any system of unequal rights is likely to generate a subgroup of advantaged members of the disadvantaged group but surely this cannot be a substitute for overall fairness in society. Does anyone think it is?

  6. Ossinev
    Ossinev
    March 10, 2016, 12:13 pm

    @Mayhem
    “If you start reading the wikipedia article on Arab citizens of Israel you will realize that many Israeli Arabs might identify as Palestinian and designate themselves as Palestinian citizens of Israel, but that does not acknowledge the fact that many Israeli Arabs don’t care for the Palestinian label and all its trappings. More and more Israeli Arabs realize that as Arabs they can get a better deal living as citizens of Israel than in any Arab country”

    It is THEIR land,THEIR neighbourhood where their families/ancestors have been living continuously for thousands of years starting as the original Semites. They can call themselves WTF they like in their own land . As for them getting a ” better deal ” – typical condescending patronizing Zionist crap.They did not ask for your deal and the only reason that they have got the “second class citizen deal” which you refer to is because your Zionist forebears in 1948 were tipped the wink by the Western powers that they simply couldn`t go on with their massacres and ethnic cleansing if they wanted statehood and UN recognition.
    So sob sob poor victimised Jewish Israelis were forced to accept that the land which they coveted and which they had acquired by terrorist force would tragically have to be shared with a sizeable number of the indigenuous inhabitants.

    Israel is stuck with its Arab Palestinian citizens and Zionists are sooooo pissed off that they can`t turn the clock back to 1947 and continue to the end with their heroic not terrorists but freedom fighters “liberation” tactics. Oh and BTW the other floated ” option ” of taking away their citizenship would be full frontal Apartheid which even the cream of the Hasbarist brigade could not invent excuses for.

    You should get out more.

    • Mayhem
      Mayhem
      March 12, 2016, 8:05 pm

      @ossinev, the Jews are the indigenous inhabitants of Palestine, even the Koran acknowledges this.

      • annie
        annie
        March 12, 2016, 9:18 pm

        even the Koran acknowledges this

        as you link to an opinion piece that opens saying:

        Palazzi believes that Israel exists by divine right and that the Koran clearly states (Sura 5:21) that God granted the Land of Israel to the Children of Israel and ordered them to settle there.”

        #Fail

      • eljay
        eljay
        March 12, 2016, 9:59 pm

        || Annie Robbins: … as you link to an opinion piece that opens saying:

        “Palazzi believes that Israel exists by divine right and that the Koran clearly states (Sura 5:21) that God granted the Land of Israel to the Children of Israel and ordered them to settle there.”

        #Fail ||

        You left out the best part: ” … Palazzi’s reading of the Koran is backed up by, of all sources, Al Qaida.”

      • oldgeezer
        oldgeezer
        March 12, 2016, 10:45 pm

        @mayhem

        The only suitable word for such a claim in modern times starts with an f and ends with wit. Save it for those with a similar intellect.

      • echinococcus
        echinococcus
        March 13, 2016, 8:29 am

        Mayhem the prophetically named…

        the Jews are the indigenous inhabitants of Palestine, even the Koran acknowledges this

        Not a valid document any longer.
        Besides, the Jews were invaders in Palestine already at the time of writing their ridiculous myths: even the Old Testament abundantly acknowledges this in the rich storytelling of their invasions and multiple genocides.

      • gamal
        gamal
        March 13, 2016, 10:57 am

        yes Palazzi and Hamid, august authorities indeed. Palazzi is now a Hindu, having recovered from Islam, one wishes him well.

        this is the pamphlet beloved of Israeli settlers, its risible.

        http://www.templemount.org/quranland.html

        as to Hamid you know his three processes are what everyone hears in the first 5 minutes of Quranic studies 101, strange that he writes utter nonsense,

        you can not treat the Quran as Preachers treat the Bible in American, its a quite different document.

        Can anybody be stupid enough to cite 2:47, I challenge you to read on from there and fail to get the message, 50 onwards is a wholesale assault on the notion of choseness, you should read it with an open mind, unconditional? not according to this Sura.

        I would suggest Asad’s translation, copious notes, its the whole book 2:47 on is well annotated from reputable sources.

        https://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/private/cmje/religious_text/The_Message_of_The_Quran__by_Muhammad_Asad.pdf

        this is pathetic, I am almost emoticon disgusted, after the IDF graphic now this, you know that if Israeli’s all turn stupid Jews won’t want to hang out with them, they are used to better company.

      • zaid
        zaid
        March 13, 2016, 12:40 pm

        Mayhem,

        Your understanding of history and Quran is flawed.

        Historically:

        Modern Jews have nothing to do with ancient Jews who themselves were invaders of the Land of the Canaanites who are the ancestors of modern Palestinians and modern Arabs (The only known Semites in the world for sure).

        Quranicaly:

        There is nothing in the Quran about Jews or any other people being the Indigenous people of Palestine, actually Palestine is not mentioned in the Quran by Name nor is Jerusalem.

        The only reference to Palestine is actually a reference to The Alaqsa Mosque with regards to Muhammad Night Journey. That is it.

        You can belive that Jews in the era of David/Solomon lived in China and you will still be consistent with the Quran.

        And even that land already had an indigenous population before Jews.

        “They said: “O Moses! In this land are a people of exceeding strength: Never shall we enter it until they leave it: if (once) they leave, then shall we enter” Quran/ Yousef Ali

        So the “Land” were already inhabited by an indigenous population (the ones Abraham settled among and preached) , and because Jews were running from persecution, they were allowed to live there without expelling the indigenous population.

        Furthermore , In the Quran , Jews are a religious group and not a racial group. And while the Quran allowed the Jews to live in the holy land (whenever that is) when they were the righteous people ,were following the path of God and were persecuted, this “Inheritance” is not infinite , and now according to the Quran the Muslims are the righteous people and true followers of God and they inherit not just Palestine but beyond.

        “AND, INDEED, after having exhorted [man], 100 We laid it down in all the books of divine wisdom that My righteous servants shall inherit the earth” Quran/Asad

        Inheret ” أورثنا” In Arabic Literally means it became your after it was someones else in the past.

        That is the Classic teaching of the Quran and that is why Prophet Muhammad Disciplines Omar and Abu baker Conquered Palestine and the Whole middle east

        And some Muslims ( Prophecy fanatics) interpret the Quran/Hadith as to say that Jews (Religious group) will return to the land , and there will be a war with the Muslims over it and the Muslims shall prevail.

        “Then, when the second promise came to pass, (We permitted your enemies) to make your faces sorrowful and to enter the mosque as they had entered it before, and to destroy with utter destruction all that fell in their hands.” Quran 7

        So the Quran (by some interpretation) do not condone the return of Jews to the “Land” but mentions it as a transgression and they will be punished for it.

        This is how some Prophecy Fanatic interpret the Quran , but the majority of scholars says that this verse is talking about the old times and it is already fulfilled when the Jewish temple/state were destroyed.

        I never heard of the clown cleric Tawfik that you mentioned, but i know that there is 1.8 billion Muslims and belive me there is a lot of freaks among them.

        And since you mentioned the Quran, let me remind you of your Bible.

        According to the Bible the indigenous population was the Canaanites and their land were granted to descendants of Abraham which includes Arabs.

        “Abram traveled through the land as far as the site of the great tree of Moreh at Shechem. At that time the Canaanites were in the land.”

        “The Lord appeared to Abram and said, “To your descendants I will give this land.”

        So….

        Historically , Biblicaly and Quranically this land belongs exclusivity to the Palestinians.

        And the Slavic/Khazar/Berber Jews have no legitimate claims to Palestine.

    • Mayhem
      Mayhem
      March 13, 2016, 4:54 am

      Firstly I see no refutation of the fact that the Jews are the indigenous inhabitants of Palestine. There are no other contenders based on any historical source.

      As for the Koran reference I was making the point which I obviously need to emphasize for the naysayers and oldgeezers of our world that the Palestinians are not mentioned or even hinted at in the Koran, but the Children of Israel are mentioned countless times and they are mentioned as the Chosen People, as written in Al-Baqara, Verse 47:

      “O Children of Israel, remember My favor that I have bestowed upon you and that I preferred you over the worlds.”

      They are mentioned as inheritors of the Holy Land which, according to all the Islamic commentators, is Jerusalem and the country around it.

      Also Tawfik Hamid, Egyptian Islamic scholar and reformer, explains that the Koran went even further to consider the Promised Land as the permanent inheritance for the Israelites (26:59) :

      “Thus it was, but we made the Children of Israel inheritors of such things (the Promised Land)”.

      He continued by saying:

      “No Muslim has the right to interfere with the gathering of the Jews in Israel, as this is the will of God himself”

      • zaid
        zaid
        March 13, 2016, 12:42 pm

        Mayhem,

        Your understanding of history and Quran is flawed.

        Historically:

        Modern Jews have nothing to do with ancient Jews who themselves were invaders of the Land of the Canaanites who are the ancestors of modern Palestinians and modern Arabs (The only known Semites in the world for sure).

        Quranicaly:

        There is nothing in the Quran about Jews or any other people being the Indigenous people of Palestine, actually Palestine is not mentioned in the Quran by Name nor is Jerusalem.

        The only reference to Palestine is actually a reference to The Alaqsa Mosque with regards to Muhammad Night Journey. That is it.

        You can belive that Jews in the era of David/Solomon lived in China and you will still be consistent with the Quran.

        And even that land already had an indigenous population before Jews.

        “They said: “O Moses! In this land are a people of exceeding strength: Never shall we enter it until they leave it: if (once) they leave, then shall we enter” Quran/ Yousef Ali

        So the “Land” were already inhabited by an indigenous population (the ones Abraham settled among and preached) , and because Jews were running from persecution, they were allowed to live there without expelling the indigenous population.

        Furthermore , In the Quran , Jews are a religious group and not a racial group. And while the Quran allowed the Jews to live in the holy land (whenever that is) when they were the righteous people ,were following the path of God and were persecuted, this “Inheritance” is not infinite , and now according to the Quran the Muslims are the righteous people and true followers of God and they inherit not just Palestine but beyond.

        “AND, INDEED, after having exhorted [man], 100 We laid it down in all the books of divine wisdom that My righteous servants shall inherit the earth” Quran/Asad

        Inheret ” أورثنا” In Arabic Literally means it became your after it was someones else in the past.

        That is the Classic teaching of the Quran and that is why Prophet Muhammad Disciplines Omar and Abu baker Conquered Palestine and the Whole middle east

        And some Muslims ( Prophecy fanatics) interpret the Quran/Hadith as to say that Jews (Religious group) will return to the land , and there will be a war with the Muslims over it and the Muslims shall prevail.

        “Then, when the second promise came to pass, (We permitted your enemies) to make your faces sorrowful and to enter the mosque as they had entered it before, and to destroy with utter destruction all that fell in their hands.” Quran 7

        So the Quran (by some interpretation) do not condone the return of Jews to the “Land” but mentions it as a transgression and they will be punished for it.

        This is how some Prophecy Fanatic interpret the Quran , but the majority of scholars says that this verse is talking about the old times and it is already fulfilled when the Jewish temple/state were destroyed.

        I never heard of the clown cleric Tawfik that you mentioned, but i know that there is 1.8 billion Muslims and belive me there is a lot of freaks among them.

        And since you mentioned the Quran, let me remind you of your Bible.

        According to the Bible the indigenous population was the Canaanites and their land were granted to descendants of Abraham which includes Arabs.

        “Abram traveled through the land as far as the site of the great tree of Moreh at Shechem. At that time the Canaanites were in the land.”

        “The Lord appeared to Abram and said, “To your descendants I will give this land.”

        So….

        Historically , Biblicaly and Quranically this land belongs exclusivity to the Palestinians.

        And the Slavic/Khazar/Berber Jews have no legitimate claims to Palestine.

      • zaid
        zaid
        March 13, 2016, 12:51 pm

        The mention of “Jews” “inheritance” and “preferred nation” was in the contents of the story of Moses, and is not indefinite.

        Again , Jews are not a racial group but a religious group, just like Muslims/ children of Abraham are a religious group

        After Jesus came , Christians became the preferred nation and when Muhammad came the Muslims became the preferred ones and hey shall inherit the land.

        That is the classic Islamic understanding, and of course it is as irrelevant in modern times and politics as the Bible.

      • oldgeezer
        oldgeezer
        March 13, 2016, 12:55 pm

        @mayhem

        Assuming Jews were the original indigenous inhabitants of the area it is a logical fallacy to proceed from that to all Jews are indigenous to the area. There is nothing to disprove about your claim.

        While I place no stock in man written books claiming to be the words of god, the bible clearly states that Jewish people were not the indigenous inhabitants.

      • MHughes976
        MHughes976
        March 13, 2016, 2:26 pm

        The Bible says that first Abraham and then the Israelites were very much not indigenous in Palestine but were immigrants on whom God conferred certain unique rights, very much including the terrifying right to exclude the indigenous peoples, if necessary killing them and burning their cities, though the fullness of this right was exercised only once. This was in part because these people had sinned and been vomited out by the land itself, but more importantly so that God could eventually have mercy on all humanity.
        The claim of the Judahites/Jews to the whole inheritance of Israel is not beyond question – one interpretation might be that King Josiah advanced the claim, hoping for Assyrian support, but that the full scope of his ambition went beyond due limits. Ezekiel does award the full inheritance to the Jews retuning from Babylon, who are not in every way indigenous to Palestine, but he does note that there are others around – whom he must have considered to be indigenous – who were to have certain rights. Other traditions concerning the exiles’ return limit these rights severely – but it’s these people who are other than the returning exiles who are described as ‘people of the land’, which is as much as to say indigenous people. Jewish rights come not from being indigenous, which they’re not, but from being elected by God to certain advantages – and also to certain special duties.
        The mainstream Christian view is that the period when the Jews had much advantage every way ended in the time of Jesus and that God’s mercy is now available to all on equal terms.
        One thing about Zionists is that they just don’t know their Bibles.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        March 14, 2016, 3:13 pm

        “The Bible says that first Abraham and then the Israelites were very much not indigenous in Palestine”

        Haven’t you heard of “Piltstein Man?” Adam Pilstein.

      • Mayhem
        Mayhem
        March 14, 2016, 9:54 pm

        Of course I expect my use of a blacklisted reference Elder of Zion to be blocked because it tells a truth that people here don’t want to hear so I’ll repost the gist here:

        “It is good to know that Palestinian Arabs are in fact descended from Canaanite non-Arabs.

        Except for those named Erekat/Uraiqat/Areikat.

        And the famous Husseini family of Jerusalem, who came in the 12th century. (The Shawishes come from the Husseinis.)

        And the equally famous Nashashibis of Jerusalem, who are of Kurdish/Turkoman or Arabian peninsula origin.

        And the Abu Ghoshes, who came around the time of the Crusades, possibly from Europe.

        And the Barghoutis, who came from the Bani Zeid clan who arrived after the Crusades as well.

        And the Al Khalil family, from Mecca.

        And the Khazens, who are from Lebanon.

        And the Nusseibehs, the oldest Arab family in Jerusalem, who arrived in the 7th century.

        And the Qudwa and Arafat families, who came from Aleppo, Syria to Gaza in the late 17th century.

        And the Ridwans, who came from the Ottoman empire to become leaders in Gaza.

        And the Salibas, from Greece via Lebanon.

        And the Touqans, from either northern Arabia or northern Syria.

        And the Hammoudas from Transjordan.

        And the Zeitawis who came from Mecca to Morocco to Gaza. They are related to the Zaghabs.

        And the Ghassans, who came from Arabia to Lebanon.

        And the Tamimis, who come from the Tamim tribe of Arabia.

        And the Tarabins, who claim to originally come from the Bakom Valley east of Mecca.

        And the Jabaris, who descend from an inhabitant of the Jabar castle on the Euphrates.

        And the Matar family from Kuwait.

        And the prominent Jerusalem family Nammari, who came to Palestine from Spain during the expulsion.

        And the Adwans, who came from the Hijaz.

        And the Dajanis, originally from Arabia but whose first resident came to Palestine from Spain and Morocco.

        And even the Nabulsi family, who are named after the town of Nablus, but Nablus only got that Arabicized name in the 7th century.

        The Murads came from Albania, and settled in Palestine in the 1500s.

        The Al Hafi clan descended from Bishar al-Hafi who lived in Baghdad.

        The Chehaybers are of Turkish-Arab descent.

        And the Hejazis from Arabia, Mughrabis from Morocco, Masris from Egypt, Houranis from Syria, Turkis and Dogmushes from Turkey, Yamanis from Yemen, Jaziris from Algeria, Hindis from India, Kurdis from Kurdistan, Halabis from Aleppo, Trabelsis (Tripoli), Sudanis (Sudan), Faranjis (French), and Shamis (Syria).

        But besides every famous Palestinian Arab clan, sure, everyone else must be Canaanites.”

      • eljay
        eljay
        March 15, 2016, 9:31 am

        || Mayhem: Of course I expect my use of a blacklisted reference Elder of Zion to be blocked because it tells a truth that people here don’t want to hear so I’ll repost the gist here … ||

        The gist is that Palestinians have been living in Palestine for centuries. Thanks for reposting the truth here.

      • eljay
        eljay
        March 15, 2016, 9:35 am

        || Mayhem: Firstly I see no refutation of the fact that the Jews are the indigenous inhabitants of Palestine. … ||

        “The Jews” are not the indigenous inhabitants of Palestine. Non-Jewish and Jewish Palestinians are the indigenous inhabitants of Palestine.

      • MHughes976
        MHughes976
        March 15, 2016, 11:59 am

        What does ‘indigenous’ mean? If it means ‘born in that place’ then it is reasonably clear to which individuals it applies and reasonably agreed that but for special and usually temporary circumstances it implies enfranchised citizenship under a sovereign power. ‘The indigenous people’ would then be the set of all indigenous individuals, who may, as eljay notes, be very mixed when it comes to the question of where their ancestors were indigenous. If some other sense is introduced, such as having ancestors born in the same places for many generations, that would not seem for any plausible reason to bring in further or special rights. Shall we use the word so that groups can become indigenous in places where their ancestors were immigrants – what if their ancestry is mixed in this respect, which would be true of the Palestinians?

      • zaid
        zaid
        March 16, 2016, 8:41 pm

        “It is good to know that Palestinian Arabs are in fact descended from Canaanite non-Arabs.”

        Of course they are , and that is why there is no genetic / physical difference between Muslim and christian Palestinians, or Muslim and christian Syrians , lebanese…etc. and that is why Levantines have more similarity (Genetic/Physical) to each other than to the Gulf Arabs.

        “And the famous Husseini family of Jerusalem, who came in the 12th century.”

        Great, so their presence is centuries older than the European Ashkenazi Jews (Ashkenazi means European / German).

        Wait , what happened to “They came after Jews made the desert bloom in the 20th Century”!!

        Some families claimed Arab descent (Like the prophet Muhammd descent) to gain the honor and leadership like Al Husseini Family but in reality they are the descendants of the indigenous population of the Lavant (Aramaic/Canaanites).

        “And the equally famous Nashashibis of Jerusalem, who are of Kurdish/Turkoman or Arabian peninsula origin.”
        And the Abu Ghoshes, who came around the time of the Crusades, possibly from Europe.
        And the Barghoutis, who came from the Bani Zeid clan who arrived after the Crusades as well.
        And the Al Khalil family, from Mecca.
        And the Khazens, who are from Lebanon.”
        And the Qudwa and Arafat families, who came from Aleppo, Syria”

        So you belive that all the countries in the region were inhabited except of Palestine with all its history, fertility and religious importance for an unknown reason! ……..So convenient for the Zionists ! but yet it is still Irrational.

        “And the Dajanis, originally from Arabia but whose first resident came to Palestine from Spain and Morocco.”

        The Dajani is named after their village Beit Dajan north of Palestine.

        “And even the Nabulsi family, who are named after the town of Nablus, but Nablus only got that Arabicized name in the 7th century.”

        It is name is Flavia Neapolis and the name predates the Arab conquest.

        “And the Hejazis from Arabia, Mughrabis from Morocco, Masris from Egypt, Houranis from Syria, Turkis and Dogmushes from Turkey, Yamanis from Yemen, Jaziris from Algeria, Hindis from India, Kurdis from Kurdistan, Halabis from Aleppo, Trabelsis (Tripoli), Sudanis (Sudan), Faranjis (French), and Shamis (Syria).”

        There are very few Palestinins family names like theses and the majority are named after Palestinian cities and villages like Rantis (village of Rantis) ,Barqawi (village of Barqa) Haifawi (Haifa), Nabulsi (Nablus), Safadi (Safad)…etc.

        Or they have random names after professions like Haddad (Blacksmith) or Najjar (Carpenter) or Random names Like Abbas, Yassin or Just random things like Seif (Sword) , Muftah (Key).

        Some Families who worked with trade got their family names as per the place they used to import or visit alot , and they became associated with and later it became their family name like ALmasri family which used to trade with Egypt , or Alhindi family which used to import rice from Hind (India).

        The people of the Levant didnot have family names until recently, During the ottoman era all people were given names after various things.

        “But besides every famous Palestinian Arab clan, sure, everyone else must be Canaanites.”

        They are all a mixture of people who settled throughout the ages and surely modern Palestinians are as close as it can get to a Canaanite, and between them and the Blue eyed blonde haired European colonist who came just few decades ago , there are no contest.

        Origins is not defined by family myths/ stories about their past (few Palestinian families claimed Arab descent for its honor) but rather by Archaeology , Genetics and Objective History, and that all points to the fact that modern Palestinians, Syrian and Lebanese are the descendants of those who lived in the Levant thousands of years before Islam.

        Besides, even the Arabs (Authentic) are original from Palestine and the Levant area and they too have more legitimate claim to the Land than the Slavic/Khazar/European Jews (Arabic is a western Semitic Language that branched from the proto- Canaanite language and the Arabic script is Aramaic in Origin).

        *Genetics of Palestinians and other Levantines:

        “In this study, we have used a combination of novel and published data to explore the Y-chromosomal landscape of the Levant and its surrounding regions. On a large geographical scale, the Levantine samples clustered together and were readily distinguished from North African or Arabian Peninsula samples”-Geographical Structure of the Y-chromosomal Genetic Landscape of the Levant: A coastal-inland contrast

        *Khazar Origin of Ashkenasi Jews:

        http://forward.com/news/israel/175912/jews-a-race-genetic-theory-comes-under-fierce-atta/

        *Archaeology debunks the myth of exile and proves modern Palestinians are the descendant so indigenous population of Palestine:

      • YoniFalic
        YoniFalic
        March 16, 2016, 10:19 pm

        The BBC documentary is extremely superficial and ignorant.

        For example, there were three Judaic Wars and not two. The documentary completely ignores the Kitos War/Quietus Rebellion.

        The Judaic Wars were a result of economic transformation that the Roman Empire created.

        If the size of the Alexandrian Judaic population merited mention, one would think that the destruction of the Judaic Onias Temple in 73 CE should also have been mentioned.

        BTW, the Herodian Temple is occasionally described as approximately the size of the Old West Church in Boston, MA.

        https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/84/Old_West_Church_Boston_DSC_0040_AD.JPG/1280px-Old_West_Church_Boston_DSC_0040_AD.JPG

    • Mayhem
      Mayhem
      March 17, 2016, 9:10 am

      Zaid said

      surely modern Palestinians are as close as it can get to a Canaanite

      I remember learning principles of logical reasoning and as soon as somebody uses the word surely the alarm bells should signal.

      Zaid has no justification for what he says about the alleged heritage of the Palestinians, who are basically a hodgepodge of ring-ins from all of the Middle East and beyond.

      • eljay
        eljay
        March 17, 2016, 9:54 am

        || Mayhem: … I remember learning principles of logical reasoning and as soon as somebody uses the word surely the alarm bells should signal. … ||

        A quick search for “surely” in your archive sets off alarm bells. You’re funny! :-)

      • zaid
        zaid
        March 17, 2016, 11:13 pm

        “Zaid has no justification for what he says about the alleged heritage of the Palestinians”

        Unlike you i actually explained and provided evidence to what i claimed and here is more :

        ” today, Palestinians, Jordanians, Lebanese,
        Syrians, and some Turks, are among
        those of haplogroup E1b1b1c1 and direct descendants
        of ancient peoples – the creators of
        the civilizations of the Eastern Mediterranean.”

        http://www.molgen.org/rjgg/index.php/RJGG/article/viewFile/48/59

        If science, History and Archaeology is not an evidence, then what is evidence.

        Now your turn , explain to me Please:

        Why (as per your zionist theory) was Palestine left empty unlike its surrounding ! was it a parking lot for the Islamic caliphate! or was it left for Jinns ! and how come Muslims and Christians deserted their holy cities ! and did they prefer to live in the desert of Jordan ,Syria and Arabia over the fertile Galil and Tabrias ! and what happened to the people who lived in the area before Islam!did they evaporate! or was there an unreported genocide! and how come Islam converted every nation it came across (Turks, Persians, Arabs,Egyptians,Indian..etc) except of the inhabitant s of Palestine, were they particularly immune to Islam! and if the Arab conquest included a population replacement , then why didnot this replacement happen to Persia and the rest of the Muslim world and how could few thousands of Arabs populate and overwhelm a region with millions of people!

        And finally, if the Jewish exile is true then how come alot of Jews continued to live in Palestine after 70 AC .

        “who are basically a hodgepodge of ring-ins from all of the Middle East and beyond.”

        Projection.

        You know full well who are the hodgpodges in Palestine , and it is not us.

      • Mayhem
        Mayhem
        March 18, 2016, 7:20 pm

        @zaid, you seem to believe that you own the Palestine narrative. Read about 9 Incredible Muslims that Support Israel

        More and more Muslims are seeing the light – apparently it hasn’t yet penetrated into your dark cave.

        Who ordains that your interpretation is valid? With the raging conflict amongst Muslims around the world today, a conflagration orders of magnitude worse than the I/P conflict, which Islamic view can be considered ‘correct’?

        Can you refute the arguments of each person or even just some? Isn’t it supremacist / arrogant to presume that you know better than others?

        You are approaching this discussion full of arrogance and hypocrisy, believing that only you have the true story, completely lacking in openness and humility.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        March 18, 2016, 9:24 pm

        You are approaching this discussion full of arrogance and hypocrisy, believing that only you have the true story, completely lacking in openness and humility.

      • zaid
        zaid
        March 19, 2016, 11:37 am

        “More and more Muslims are seeing the light ”

        Too late…… the trend have shifted the last decade, and the only people who is gaining more support are the Palestinians.

        Just ask , Finkelstein, Blumenthal,Weiss and other Jews.

    • Mayhem
      Mayhem
      March 17, 2016, 6:06 pm

      @eljay, you hypocrite! First take the beam out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye. Did the same search for ‘surely’ amongst your repetitive remarks and you take the cake! But then I tried Zio-supremacists (1461 results found) – take stock of yourself, you sound like a worn-out 78 rpm phonograph record stuck in a groove.

      Of course on the topic at hand nobody coming out to defend the Canaanite Palestinians.

      MW needs to bring ‘Hostage’ out of retirement.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        March 17, 2016, 7:37 pm

        ” First take the beam out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.” “Mayhem”

        Gosh, “Mayhem”, you really make me want to turn the other cheek. You’re nuts.

      • talknic
        talknic
        March 17, 2016, 8:14 pm

        @ Mayhem March 17, 2016, 6:06 pm

        “@eljay, you hypocrite!”

        Uh?

        “First take the beam out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye. Did the same search for ‘surely’ amongst your repetitive remarks and you take the cake!”

        Seems you’ve forgotten the principles of logical reasoning. eljay wasn’t the person who said “I remember learning principles of logical reasoning and as soon as somebody uses the word surely the alarm bells should signal”, YOU DID!

        Why are supporters of Israeli intransigence and expansionism so stupid, illogical and hypocritical

      • eljay
        eljay
        March 17, 2016, 8:32 pm

        || Mayhem: @eljay, you hypocrite! First take the beam out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye. Did the same search for ‘surely’ amongst your repetitive remarks and you take the cake! … ||

        So what? I’m not the one who smugly threw this little gem in Zaid’s face: “I remember learning principles of logical reasoning and as soon as somebody uses the word surely the alarm bells should signal.”

        You’re as big an idiot as you are a hateful and immoral Zio-supremacist.

        || … But then I tried Zio-supremacists (1461 results found) – take stock of yourself … ||

        So what? I didn’t accuse anyone of over-using a term.

        Hmmm…it’s possible that you’re an even bigger idiot than you are a hateful and immoral Zio-supremacist. That’s quite an accomplishment!

      • Mayhem
        Mayhem
        March 19, 2016, 7:29 pm

        The paucity of argument here is reflected in the arrogance of the personal abuse.

      • eljay
        eljay
        March 19, 2016, 9:04 pm

        || Mayhem: The paucity of argument here is reflected in the arrogance of the personal abuse. ||

        That’s a mighty fancy way of saying that you concede defeat.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        March 19, 2016, 9:41 pm

        “The paucity of argument here is reflected in the arrogance of the personal abuse.”

        Oh please, what are you, some kind of delicate flower?
        Hey, a little good-denatured give-and-take, (whenever “Grover’s” around), some well deserved raillery, a little persiflage, stuff like that, never hurt anybody.

        But of course, you’re crying like a spoiled child who just learned how to spell “paucity”

        Of course, throwing the beam-and-mote thing out was a master outreach stroke, like “Hophmi” and his cute turned cheeks.

      • Steve Grover
        Steve Grover
        March 19, 2016, 10:05 pm

        Mooser, I agree with Mayhem but fercrineoutloud leave my spirits out of this.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        March 19, 2016, 10:53 pm

        ” I agree with Mayhem but fercrineoutloud leave my spirits out of this.”

        What is it you are trying to do, “Steve”? You seem desperate for inclusion, and friendship but, unsure about how to go about it.
        Drinking denatured alchohol (“my spirits”) is a bad idea, BTW. You can’t just use rubbing alchohol when the Smirnoff’s runs out.

      • Steve Grover
        Steve Grover
        March 20, 2016, 2:10 pm

        Awe come on Mooser, lighten up! Its Adar! Get into the spirit its Erev Purim in a couple of days!

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        March 20, 2016, 4:29 pm

        “Awe come on Mooser, lighten up! Its Adar! Get into the spirit its Erev Purim in a couple of days! “Steve Grover”

        If the Mods here were bartenders, the place they worked for would lose its liquor license.

  7. brent
    brent
    March 10, 2016, 12:22 pm

    I find the argument that death for death is reasonable to be shortsighted. There may be times that makes sense but not in this situation where one side is so much more powerful…. and has learned how to manipulate the media. All one has to do is look back over the years to get the picture. That Abbas didn’t have the courage to speak against the death of an innocent is a blow to Palestine and all who work for a better world. Those who think with their heart will often lose.

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      March 19, 2016, 9:48 pm

      “I find the argument that death for death is reasonable”

      Oh, you bet, the kill-rate should be just about equal soon, huh? I mean, you can use a knife over and over, but bullets only shoot once.
      Amazing. A little resistance, and it’s “death for death”

  8. Atlantaiconoclast
    Atlantaiconoclast
    March 10, 2016, 1:42 pm

    Palestinian kills an American: major headline.

    Israeli kills American: silence.

    • YoniFalic
      YoniFalic
      March 10, 2016, 3:47 pm

      I did a quick search for Americans killed by the IDF. They are quickly forgotten.

      Suraida Gharbieh

      For all I know I killed some Americans when I shot unarmed and defenseless Palestinian men, women, and children during Operation Cast Lead.

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