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DC meeting between Israel and Saudi Arabia marks end of Arab Peace Initiative and two-state solution

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For decades, Saudi Arabia has been an advocate of Palestinian statehood rights and a critic of the Israeli occupation of the West Bank and Gaza. Saudi Arabia’s commitment to Palestine has defined the geopolitical contours of the Middle East for decades. But now that the Iran nuclear deal has been struck and as the war in Syria ravages on, those political lines are being redrawn, bringing together unexpected bedfellows: Saudi Arabia and Israel.

Marketed as a “pathbreaking public dialogue between senior national security leaders from two old adversaries,” May 5, 2016 will feature a high-profile public meeting in Washington DC between officials from Saudi Arabia and Israel. Prince Turki bin Faisal, Saudi Arabia’s former intelligence chief and one-time ambassador to Washington, and retired Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) Major General Yaakov Amidror, former national security advisor to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, will be speaking together at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, a pro-Israel organization funded by AIPAC donors, staffed by AIPAC employees, and located down the hall from AIPAC headquarters.

Saudi Arabia has never engaged in diplomatic relations with Israel since the Nakba in 1948, and at one point even led efforts to boycott of the state of Israel. And although this is not the first meeting of its kind (Saudi Arabia and Israel had a former official speak at a Council on Foreign Relations panel last year), it is definitely the highest profile meeting and it is taking place.

While having like-minded human rights abusers such as Saudi Arabia and Israel mingle and meet publicly might come as no surprise to most of us, this event is still bad news: it signals a new era of normalization by the official sponsor of the Arab Peace Initiative.

The Arab Peace initiative, also known as the “Saudi Initiative”, is a 10-sentence proposal for an end to the Arab–Israeli conflict. It was endorsed by the Arab League in 2002 and re-endorsed at the 2007, and it is supported by all Palestinian factions, including Hamas. The initiative calls for normalizing relations between the Arab world and Israel in exchange for a complete withdrawal by Israel from the occupied territories (including East Jerusalem). Until now, it has been the most viable blueprint for a two-state solution. The deal also addressed the issue of Palestinian refugees and called for a “just settlement” based on UN Resolution 194.

So, at this political moment when Netanyahu is not showing any willingness to withdraw from the Occupied Palestinian Territory and some of his ministers are calling for the official annexation of the West Bank, Saudi Arabia seems to be giving up on its historic commitments. By normalizing relations with Israel without demanding a just solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, Saudi Arabia is diminishing its leverage in negotiating a two-state solution.

In a way this meeting marks the official demise of the Arab Peace Initiative, but more importantly, as the last standing mechanism for a regionally negotiated resolution, it is yet another indicator that a two-state solution is officially dead.

Raed Jarrar
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  1. annie
    annie
    May 4, 2016, 4:17 pm

    teeth grinding news. and that photo reminds me of how much and why i can’t stand elliot abrams — that shit eating grin.

    and trump, the day he essentially clinches the gop nomination, announces he supports the expansion of the settlements.

    http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/278534-trump-israel-should-keep-building-west-bank-settlements#.Vylbz98B_tQ.twitter:

    Trump: Israel should keep building West Bank settlements

  2. Kay24
    Kay24
    May 4, 2016, 5:04 pm

    Two Middle Eastern serpents together at last. Neither can be trusted, and both with devious agendas. SA has been responsible for extremism, and known in some Asian nations for influencing the Muslims there to become more extreme in their views, and apparently even send crates of abayas, for women to start wearing it. Just like their new buddy the occupier of the ME, they are also known for interfering, supporting questionable elements, and causing trouble, in some parts of the world. I suppose their hatred/envy for Iran must have brought these two sweethearts together.

    Shame on Saudi Arabia for throwing their own under the bus, and failing the people of Palestine.
    I agree with the writer that we can now forget about a 2SS, and any hopes for peace, for the Saudis have, with this meeting, endorsed an occupation, and accepted the illegal settlements.
    Damn them all.

  3. HarryLaw
    HarryLaw
    May 4, 2016, 5:28 pm

    This rapprochement does not surprise me, when Lieberman was Foreign Minister he bragged about the good relationship Israel had with certain GCC countries.Now that Iran has been brought in from the cold, Saudi Arabia and Israel fear Iran’s growing military and economic power will make it the regions hegemon. They are right, the question is what are they going to do about it, they both share an interest in seeing Syria [the low hanging fruit] in the ‘arc of resistance’, regime changed, to that end Saudi Arabia and Qatar have been bankrolling the Jihadis for years and Turkey with US blessing has facilitated the transfer of arms and fighters into Syria. Israel Ambassador Oran was quoted as preferring the Jihadis in power rather than Assad, it is a documented fact that Israel set up field hospitals to treat injured Islamist fighters. So it makes sense for the Saudis to do a deal with Israel, they would cut off the heads of their own Grandmothers to stay in power, so throwing the Palestinians under the bus would be nothing to them. The Saudis calculated [wrongly] that Syria would be overthrown followed by Hezbollah, leaving Iran isolated. They have failed on all fronts, the Syrian army backed up by all sections of Syrian society together with Hezbollah and the Russian air force are winning against the Jihadis [something the US for all its bluster failed to do for years on the cynical notion of, my enemies enemy is my friend] it is only a matter of time before Syria recaptures all its lost territory, leaving Israel and Saudi Arabia to face a resurgent and more determined ‘arc of resistance’. Hence the rapprochement.

    • inbound39
      inbound39
      May 4, 2016, 8:32 pm

      Have to agree with your viewpoint Harry. Russia and Iran are both Pro Palestinian State so Israel has a real problem. A large majority of the World population is Pro Palestinian so paid Politicians will find themselves on the outer at election times if they are Pro Israeli.

    • Misterioso
      Misterioso
      May 5, 2016, 10:38 am

      Well said.

      In the long run, however, by jumping in bed with Israel, Saudi Arabia has hastened its own demise. During the years I lived in the Arab world I came to know many Saudis. With rare exception, a despicable, soft handed, spoiled, arrogant, selfish bunch completely divorced from their Bedouin ancestry/heritage. The vast majority of Arabs despise them.

      • Ellen
        Ellen
        May 5, 2016, 5:59 pm

        Vast generalizations are mostly unfair.

        But yes, the same will be and is said about the Qataris — who are really Saudi and as far as the KSA is concerned Qatar is the “Peninsula,” and they would run over it in a day if the US base were not in Qatar. In fact, during the first Gulf War, the Saudis annexed land in Qatar, shutting it off completely for its former border with the UAE. The world was too busy with shock and awe in Kuwait to bother with what the Saudis were doing. Nor did they care.

        After all, the British drew the lines for Qatar and made a deal with the Al Thanis and others to give them a country and treat the Bedu like British Royals for access to oil and gas. Same gig as when they cut the deals with Saud, renaming the Arabian Peninsula the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.

        Yes, the Saudis and Qataris are despised by the rest of the Arab world as arrogant, ignorant and crude. When their money runs out (and that is happening now) they will continue to have desperately poor pick up their trash and wipe their behinds for a bowl of rice or piece of bread.

        As Israel — in its shared hysteria about Iran — pins its future to the KSA, it will hasten the demise of a sustainable Zionist project.

        But this will not happen without more and massive conflict. The mess in Yemen might be a taste of what is to come.

      • DaBakr
        DaBakr
        May 9, 2016, 6:59 am

        @e

        “vast generalizations are mostly unfair. but yes….” if it comes down to an alliance with israel any racist or derogatory and bigoted comment is fair game. got it. check.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        May 9, 2016, 4:40 pm

        “if it comes down to an alliance with israel any racist or derogatory and bigoted comment is fair game.”

        Ah, but Saudi Arabia has a new defender now, one “Dabakr”, so all of that derogatory bigoted comment will get challenged!
        “Dabakr” won’t stand for anybody talking bad about SA!

    • traintosiberia
      traintosiberia
      May 6, 2016, 9:17 am

      Israel has theorized to itself that with time,it’s dreams of greater Israel will materialize .It is . But it also calculated that it needed Great Powers behind it or at least some of them not against it .
      It creates facts both on the ground and also in the realm above it : in the conceptual level .Very soon Clintonites and Trumpites will ask:” what’s wrong with Moslem world? What’s wrong with Arab? The Custodian of the holy Shrines have and the acclaimed and accepted interpreters of Islam or Sharia have , the land of the Muslim philanthropy have accepted Israel. Why Cna’t Palestine,Iranian,Pakistains,Lebanse can’t accept? ” From this dangerous collusion of 2 atrocious regimes, a new corruption will sweep Muslim countries among the middle class in hope of political career, money,and social advancements . Just the way it has corrupted the the soul and the body of UK,France, and US. Also the gradual fading of Palestine will accelerate . Golan will be allowed by Arabs to be recognized as part of Israel. It will happen by indirectly Arabs will not put pressure on US or UK not to recognize.

      Saudis are doing it hoping it will survive another day . But that survival is a deal made in shadowy uncertain world of Israeli hegemony Saudi will be toast the moments it asks Israel to compromise its values which are based on Zionism that foresees total control on an area that is still undefined and borderless. Zionism of Balfour era has made tremendous progress by undermining ,sabotaging,by not compromising ,refusing,and always by clinging to its original minimalist demands using the great Powers . It has not compromised . The plans that seemed made of fairy tales and uninterrupted dreams have materialized over time . Arab concessions form 1913 have not produced any results that favored Arabs. It ( Zionism) have bestowed money a sense of security and dependence on the corrupt self centered few like it did on the great grand father of Jordon’s king and on Mubarek , on Christian Militia in Lebanon and on Shah of Iran . They have been dispensed with when the needs have arisen .Even in the most happy halcyon days of good relation between Jordan,or Egypt and Israel, Israel has never flinched from saying that Palestinian have a or will have a homeland in Jordan or Mubarek’s Aswan Dam will be attacked by Israel.

      Sauids demise will be very relished by the world The signs point to that

  4. JWalters
    JWalters
    May 4, 2016, 5:49 pm

    The South Side Gang makes a truce with the North Side Gang.

    • Marnie
      Marnie
      May 5, 2016, 1:29 am

      That is one horrifying photo. Abrams in the back looking like a deranged referee at a boxing match, which Eshki looks thrilled to be part of and Gold looks like he usually does, contemptuous. It’s a good match, israelis and the saudis, such champions of human rights. This will certainly make traficking of underage females a whole lot easier for israel.

      • DaBakr
        DaBakr
        May 9, 2016, 7:04 am

        that photo? it was hand selected for you. thanks to mw.

    • Talkback
      Talkback
      May 5, 2016, 7:46 am

      So its this truce that marks the end of the two state solution. Who would have thought?

  5. eljay
    eljay
    May 5, 2016, 7:54 am

    I wonder if the bed the “Jewish State” has hopped into with “intolerant Islamic state” Saudi Arabia is big enough to accommodate Mali and African “hell-holes”. Wouldn’t want them to get jealous. :-(

  6. Kay24
    Kay24
    May 5, 2016, 9:46 am

    Please try to help No Way To Treat A Child by sending emails to your reps to request the US President to do what is right (if at all possible). This is an appeal to stop what is becoming an appalling situation for the Palestinian children.

    http://nwttac.dci-palestine.org/tell_congress_support_palestinian_children_s_rights?utm_campaign=specialenvoy_2&utm_medium=email&utm_source=dcipalestine

  7. YoniFalic
    YoniFalic
    May 5, 2016, 2:31 pm

    King Abdullah seems not to to be a fan of Turki bin Faisal Al Saud. Nothing more really counts.

  8. phylliprezzel
    phylliprezzel
    May 5, 2016, 5:13 pm

    King Abdullah died in January of last year. Turki bin Faisal al Saud fell out of favor and retired from public life in 2007.

    • YoniFalic
      YoniFalic
      May 5, 2016, 6:48 pm

      Obviously I am not up to date on the situation in Saudia. Not my area. I can only note that Turki bin Faisal Al Saud has not been called back to governmental service.

  9. Jane Porter
    Jane Porter
    May 6, 2016, 12:55 pm

    Two crooks governments who both stole countries belonging to other people on false historical pretenses helped to that by the British empire and still backed by the western countries and the UN.
    What a shame for the world so-called leaders.
    What can the world expect from Us aways backing maffias.

    • jon s
      jon s
      May 9, 2016, 3:19 am

      I wish I had a dime for every time this blog has announced the death of the two state solution, when , in fact, it’s still the only game in town, the only practical and possible way to go forward, for the good of both Israelis and Palestinians.

      • eljay
        eljay
        May 9, 2016, 7:33 am

        || jon s: May 9, 2016, 3:19 am I wish I had a dime for every time this blog has announced the death of the two state solution … ||

        I wish I had a dime for every time a Zio-supremacist has defended the two-state solution even as his co-collectivists and his “Jewish State” do everything in their power to wipe that solution off the map and push it into the sea.

        || … when , in fact, it’s still the only game in town, the only practical and possible way to go forward, for the good of both Israelis and Palestinians. ||

        But it’s not the only game in town or the only practical and possible way to go forward. But it is likely the best way to keep the nightmare of religion-supremacist “Jewish State” alive, which is why you advocate it.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        May 9, 2016, 11:41 am

        “I wish I had a dime for every time this blog…”

        ROTFLMSJAO!!! I wish I had a dime for every time a not-very-smart phony Zionist tells us that Mondoweiss is awful while continuously feeding it the very thing it lives on, “hits”.

        If you don’t like Mondo “Jon s” quit feeding it “hits” (and “UPV”s and “sessions”

        But as you say, “Jon s”: “It’s the only game in town.”

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        May 9, 2016, 11:46 am

        “But it is likely the best way to keep the nightmare of religion-supremacist “Jewish State” alive, which is why you advocate it.”

        Oh, that’s no problem for an American who lives in Israel, like “Jon s”.
        He can push it all the way to the edge, and when the place explodes, he just gets on a plane back to the US, leaving the Mizrahi to fight it out.

        Why on earth should “Jon s” compromise in any way? He’s always got an out.

  10. MHughes976
    MHughes976
    May 9, 2016, 6:10 am

    It seems that the 2-states game is not being played and that Kerry’s attempts to deal the cards and roll the dice met with no success – he ended up with his bank being broken as the Israelis walked down the Bois de Boulogne and several other thoroughfares with an independent air. A town with no game, it seems.

  11. jon s
    jon s
    May 9, 2016, 4:19 pm

    One state, two states three states, whatever…Right now, here in Be’er Sheva, people are focused on our beloved Hapoel Be’er Sheva soccer team, currently leading the league by 5 points, with two games left. 5 points ahead of the Evil Empire a.k.a Maccabi Tel Aviv. Especially sweet was this evening’s win over Beitar Jerusalem, another symbol of evil. If our team wins the championship, it will be the first time since the 1970s. Here’s hoping….

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      May 9, 2016, 4:24 pm

      “One state, two states three states, whatever…”

      That’s right. After all, you can always leave if you don’t get what you want.

      “Right now, here in Be’er Sheva, people are focused on our beloved Hapoel Be’er Sheva soccer team”

      Of course! You can tell them by their distinctive blood-red Reeboks. “This team delivers a fatal penalty kick, every time” (Haaretz)

      Can’t wait for the game against Eritrea. We can talk about that instead of the Saudi-Israeli pact, which frightens you straight into a diversion. Have they changed the rules so the goalies can use chairs?

      • just
        just
        May 9, 2016, 4:40 pm

        lol.

      • gamal
        gamal
        May 23, 2016, 8:38 am

        “Right now, here in Be’er Sheva, people are focused on our beloved Hapoel Be’er Sheva soccer team”

        oh jon i know what you are trying but here this how to do self affirmation with charm and grace, learn from the best, there are subtitles in American.

        https://youtu.be/fiKVBGWa2EQ

    • eljay
      eljay
      May 9, 2016, 5:12 pm

      || jon s: One state, two states three states, whatever…Right now, here in Be’er Sheva, people are focused on our beloved Hapoel Be’er Sheva soccer team … ||

      jon s does excellent impressions of the banality of evil.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        May 9, 2016, 7:09 pm

        “jon s does excellent impressions of the banality of evil.”

        “Jon s” is the Stuart Smalley of hasbara.

      • jon s
        jon s
        May 10, 2016, 4:39 pm

        Eljay,
        In the upside-down world of some MW commenters, someone who seeks peace and mutual understanding is seen as representing the banality of evil.

        My point was that Israel is not some kind of nightmarish hell-hole. It’s populated by real people with families and jobs and various normal interests, including support for our local team…

      • amigo
        amigo
        May 10, 2016, 5:32 pm

        “My point was that Israel is not some kind of nightmarish hell-hole. It’s populated by real people with families and jobs and various normal interests, including support for our local team. jon s

        Of course it is not some nightmarish hell-hole , if you are a Jewish Israeli.OTOH –If you are a Palestinian who are real people with families and jobs (if they are lucky and accept slave wages from their masters) and have normal interests such as wanting to be treated equal.

        As for your team—would that be made up of illegal squatters such as yourself.

        Ah yes , Israel “The beautiful nation”.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        May 10, 2016, 6:12 pm

        “Of course it is not some nightmarish hell-hole , if you are a Jewish Israeli.”

        And if you’re a Jewish Israeli with American citizenship, and a passport, you’re at the top of the heap. No IDF obligations, either. Got it made in the shade.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        May 10, 2016, 6:13 pm

        ” including support for our local team…”

        The Beersheva Stompers?

        “someone who seeks peace and mutual understanding”

        “Jon s” where is Beersheva?

      • eljay
        eljay
        May 10, 2016, 6:56 pm

        || jon s: Eljay,
        In the upside-down world of some MW commenters, someone who seeks peace and mutual understanding is seen as representing the banality of evil. … ||

        Incorrect. Someone like you, who…
        – despises justice, accountability and equality;
        – advocates, justifies and defends his favoured brand of supremacism; and
        – seeks a “peace” that will maximize benefit to his co-collectivists and his supremacist state,
        …is a hateful and immoral Zio-supremacist.

        Your seemingly light-hearted attempts to distract from or to normalize your state’s decades-long and on-going campaign of injustices, immorality and (war) crimes represent the banality of evil.

        || … My point was that Israel is not some kind of nightmarish hell-hole. It’s populated by real people with families and jobs and various normal interests, including support for our local team… ||

        Iran, North Korea and Saudi Arabia (and Mali and African “hell-holes”) are populated by real people with families and jobs and various normal interests. Light-hearted banter similar to yours by your counterparts in those countries would similarly represent the banality of evil. You’re in good company.

      • Marnie
        Marnie
        May 15, 2016, 12:54 pm

        Exactly eljay. I should have read your post before I bothered – thank you, thank you.

      • jon s
        jon s
        May 22, 2016, 9:26 am

        Super-happy update: Yesterday evening Hapoel Be’er Sheva won the championship, 40 years since the last one!

        This is one delirious town today!

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        May 22, 2016, 12:57 pm

        “Hapoel Be’er Sheva won the championship…”

        And the big victory parade will include lot’s of Eritrean effigies to kick to death, and metal chairs will be provided! L’killem and Matzoh tough to all.

      • jon s
        jon s
        May 22, 2016, 2:43 pm

        The team and the municipality are organizing a huge celebration for tomorrow night. Then maybe we can start getting back to normal in this town.
        But then again, who wants to wake up and get back to normal?

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        May 22, 2016, 3:12 pm

        “But then again, who wants to wake up and get back to normal? “

        You mean the reality of living with and being a bunch of murderous thugs, freebooters, pirates, living on stolen land?

        Yes, it’s no wonder you don’t like reality. And when the unreality in Palestine goes away, you just jump on a plane and come home to the US. You can write a story for Mondo about how traumatic it is to see x-mas lights again.

      • oldgeezer
        oldgeezer
        May 22, 2016, 3:13 pm

        @jon s

        A few million Palestinians, whose necks you stand upon, would love for things to get back to normal. How many need to die to make you smile?

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        May 22, 2016, 3:56 pm

        “to make you smile?”

        “Jon s” always has a big grin! (and a hearty, ‘Aarrgh, matey’!)
        What, him worry? He’s got a ticket out (US passport, US citizenship) in his pocket.
        After all, he can always blame the Israeli Right, if he’s not in a spot where he can blame ‘the Arabs’.

        And up til then, he’s having a swashbuckling, freebooting, adventure!

      • jon s
        jon s
        May 22, 2016, 4:18 pm

        Old geezer,
        What a vile comment.
        Do you really think that Palestinian deaths make me smile?

      • oldgeezer
        oldgeezer
        May 22, 2016, 4:29 pm

        @jon s

        I think it takes a vile and cold heart to express such celebratory joy on a blog which is dedicated primarily to the I/P issue in which millions of people are deprived of their basic human rights on a daily basis. I don’t know you to see you but we certainly have seen Israelis express great joy at the mechanized slaughter of unarmed civilians.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        May 22, 2016, 7:04 pm

        “Do you really think that Palestinian deaths make me smile?”

        “Jon s” deserve good things, he is entitled to his share of happiness! He refuses to beat himself up! He is an attractive person. He is also fun to be with!

        “Jon s” is Good Enough, he’s Smart Enough, and Doggone It, People Like him!

      • eljay
        eljay
        May 22, 2016, 7:45 pm

        || jon s: Super-happy update: Yesterday evening Hapoel Be’er Sheva won the championship, 40 years since the last one! … ||

        Once again, he nails the “banality of evil” impression.

      • eljay
        eljay
        May 22, 2016, 7:47 pm

        || jon s: … What a vile comment.
        Do you really think that Palestinian deaths make me smile? ||

        I don’t know if Palestinian deaths make you smile, but I do know that they don’t make you want to:
        – stop being a Zio-supremacist and;
        – start advocating, defending and upholding justice, accountability and equality.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        May 22, 2016, 11:10 pm

        “Once again, he nails the “banality of evil” impression.”

        He’s taunting us about the stomping death of the Eritrean man at Beersheva.

    • Marnie
      Marnie
      May 15, 2016, 12:51 pm

      You write like you’re addressing fellow travelers. The road that you walk mister, you walk alone. I might be wrong, but I’m pretty sure no one gives a flying @#!& about anything you post. You’re either completely unplugged from the reality of this site, or you are one of the cruelest persons I’ve come across here. I believe it’s the second thing.

      • Steve Grover
        Steve Grover
        May 15, 2016, 9:53 pm

        The reality of this sight is strictly limited to this sight.

      • Marnie
        Marnie
        May 16, 2016, 12:08 am

        Then stay away. It would be wonderful if you were out of and off this sight. Obviously since you’re in the u.s., this must be the next best thing to being part of the occupation of Palestine. And you don’t have to leave the comfort of your den, surrounded by case after case of the strange fruit of occupation. Say, don’t you have some illegal settlement vinegar to swill?

    • wondering jew
      wondering jew
      May 22, 2016, 8:02 pm

      Jon’s celebration of his soccer team’s success in the context of this blog was certainly not vile, but it was cold. But it was a reminder of reality. Most people cannot live 24 hours a day mourning the sins of society. The fact is that normalcy is part of Jon’s Israeli reality, including sports joys. Sharing his joy with the mondoweiss commentator world obviously will precipitate more agitation than joy.

      • oldgeezer
        oldgeezer
        May 22, 2016, 9:56 pm

        @yonah

        Let’s let a Palestinian decide if it’s vile. Frankly I don’t care given the total lack of humanity and decency it displays.

        No, there is no normalcy to celebrating on the graves, ruins, property and possession of others, at least while that process is not only in living memory but ongoing.

        How many Palestinian children were beaten, detained or murdered today in order to provide his normalcy.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        May 22, 2016, 10:29 pm

        I see “Yonah” has signed on to my “Jon s” is the Stuart Smalley of the settlements” schtik. Thanks, “Yonah”

      • jon s
        jon s
        May 23, 2016, 12:53 pm

        oldgeezer,
        I thought your comment vile, primarily because it was in response to a rather innocuous , non-political comment of mine.
        Anf if you think that Palestinians in Israel are not interested in sports, especially in the soccer league, you’re mistaken.

      • echinococcus
        echinococcus
        May 23, 2016, 1:05 pm

        “Non-political” my &$$. It was the gloating of a murderous, in fact genocidal, invader. One who does not even have the excuse of ignorance or mental retardation: after all, history teachers are required to understand something, even in the Zionist bubble, even for just being able to brainwash the poor kids.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        May 23, 2016, 1:06 pm

        “Anf if you think that Palestinians in Israel are not interested in sports, especially in the soccer league, you’re mistaken.”

        Yes, all the Palestinians are wondering; ‘Who can counter the Beersheva Red-toe’s deadly penalty kicks?’

        Yes, “Jon s” you kicked an Eritrean man to death at Beersheva. Stop bragging about it and getting away with it.
        Yeas, soccer, a game of kicking. We get it.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        May 23, 2016, 1:12 pm

        “I thought your comment vile, primarily because it was in response to a rather innocuous , non-political comment of mine”

        Tell ’em “Jon s(tuart Smalley)”: “I deserve good things, I am entitled to my share of happiness. I refuse to beat myself up. I am an attractive person. I am fun to be with.”

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        May 23, 2016, 2:10 pm

        “Anf if you think that Palestinians in Israel are not interested in sports, especially in the soccer league,”

        All of whom are scanning the pages of Mondoweiss, saying “When is “Jon s” going to report on the Beersheva soccer game? I’ll never get the results otherwise.”

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        May 23, 2016, 2:19 pm

        “The fact is that normalcy is part of Jon’s Israeli reality, including sports joys.”

        “Yonah” how can “Jon s” person be “normal” when surrounded by terrorism like this:

        “Terrorist attack in Beersheva this evening. (Oct. 18, 2015)
        My family and I are ok, thank God. I also asked all the kids in my class to check in and they all reported that they’re ok, although some sound shaken.”
        – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/profile/jon-s/?keyword=terrorist#sthash.5fHZhhYW.dpuf

        He must be a very brave person to retain his normalcy in the midst of such pressure, huh.

      • jon s
        jon s
        May 23, 2016, 3:25 pm

        echinococcus,
        I’m not murderous or genocidal or an invader.
        I just wrote that our city’s team won the championship, and the town is celebrating, pure and simple. Nothing in my comment about Israelis and Palestinians, Jews and Arabs. Just an entire city coming together in celebration…

      • oldgeezer
        oldgeezer
        May 23, 2016, 3:28 pm

        @jon s

        And why shouldn’t the Palestinians enjoy sports. Wy shouldn’t you? It’s the context, time and place.

        I would imagine that the Palestinians enjoy sports as much, if not more, than you do. Every time their kids don’t get shelled while playing a scrap game, or they don’t get rocketed while watching a game in the local bar, or their players don’t get shot up removing them from competition they have two reasons to celebrate a win.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        May 23, 2016, 3:51 pm

        “I’m not murderous or genocidal or an invader.”

        Oh heavens, no! Not you!
        No, you are the one all the murder and genocide and invasion was for. To make Palestine safe for American fantasyzors

      • echinococcus
        echinococcus
        May 24, 2016, 10:48 am

        Mooser,

        Would be nice if that one there were just fantasizing. He gets to realize his crib dream: teach kids how to commit genocide. And gloat over it to the Amalekite-lovin’ libbruls.

      • jon s
        jon s
        May 24, 2016, 1:57 pm

        oldgeezer,
        The same goes for people everywhere. Israelis are glad to be able to enjoy sports rather than being blown up or shot or stabbed. So, too, people in the US, UK, France, Belgium, every place which has been hit by terrorism.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        May 24, 2016, 2:54 pm

        ” Israelis are glad to be able to enjoy sports rather than being blown up or shot or stabbed.”

        Why not try getting off the stolen land and at least giving up the occupied lands? I know, you have a million historical objective arguments why that can’t be, none of which has anything to do with the fact the you live on that land!

        And gee, I hate to suggest this, since I know it goes against all Zionist principles, but maybe Israel should think about getting some kind of Army, security forces or even an Air Force. It’s not much, but maybe it will help. Zionist pacifism just doesn’t seem to be working.

        “Jon s” are you having fun by pointing out how stupid you think we are, over and over again? Do you think you are kidding anybody with the Suart Smalley act?

      • oldgeezer
        oldgeezer
        May 24, 2016, 4:33 pm

        @jon s

        “The same goes for people everywhere. ”

        I hear ya jon. Sometimes bad crap happens everywhere in this world. I’m glad I have the army, navy, airforce and other security forces engaged in doing their best efforts to keep me safe. I know it’s not a guarantee but it is something.

        The state and forces charged with the responsibility for protecting the Palestinians under international law (ie the GoI and idf) are usually the ones killing them. When they aren’t the ones killing them they’re engaged protecting criminal settlers who are intent on killing them.

        You knew that. I don’t understand why zionist supporters pretend to be so ignorant about their responsibilities under international law. I guess when you commit massacres, ethnic cleansing, and theft on a massive scale these other laws don’t even come up on their radar.

        Don’t you have a football or Eritrean to kick?

  12. Steve Grover
    Steve Grover
    May 15, 2016, 10:09 pm

    Typo: it should be site and not sight.

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      May 16, 2016, 5:58 pm

      “Typo: it should be site and not sight.”

      “Grover” doesn’t settle for the banality of evil. He leaves out the “b”.

  13. lysias
    lysias
    May 26, 2016, 12:48 pm

    Looks like Saudi Arabia is going to take the charge that it was behind 9/11 lying down.

    Saudi Arabia: Legal Expert Says That U.S. Government Blew Up the Twin Towers on 9/11:

    Saudi Arabia is livid over the recent passage of a bill in the U.S. Senate that would allow 9/11 victims’ families to sue the Middle Eastern nation. The bill was recently passed by a unanimous vote, and while the Washington Times reports that President Obama has vowed to veto it, that hasn’t stopped the Saudi Arabian media from coming out swinging against the U.S. government.

    According to a Breitbart report, a reporter representing Saudi Arabia is now claiming that the U.S. planned and carried out the 9/11 attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon to create the war on terror.

    The article was written by Katib al-Shammari, a Saudi legal expert, and published in Al-Hayat, which is based in London. It calls out the United States for its recent threats to “expose documents” proving that Saudi Arabia funded the 9/11 attacks, as well as detailing the involvement of Saudi Arabia in the worst terrorist attack in history on U.S. soil. According to the piece, these threats fall in line with a United States policy he calls “victory by means of archives.”

    Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/3130396/saudi-arabia-legal-expert-says-that-u-s-government-blew-up-the-twin-towers-on-911/#tSWiH6DMt06DTYPm.99

  14. Stefan Bach
    Stefan Bach
    May 29, 2016, 1:32 pm

    The alliance between Saudi Arabia and Israel is linked with a progress on the Palestinian issue.

    • just
      just
      May 29, 2016, 2:13 pm

      Good grief! How did you come up with that idea???

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        May 30, 2016, 1:14 pm

        “Good grief! How did you come up with that idea???”

        First comment, too. I wonder if we will hear more of this?

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