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Lovers of the Jewish people prayed it wasn’t true when the New York Post reported rumors this week that members of a Jewish country club outside Washington were up in arms against the possibility of Barack Obama joining. Alas, now the Washington Post has followed up with a report quoting three emails from Woodmont members objecting to the president as a member because he has allegedly been so hard on Israel, lately at the United Nations.

“He has created a situation in the world where Israel’s very existence is weakened and possibly threatened . . .” longtime member Faith Goldstein wrote on Dec. 26. “He is not welcome at Woodmont. His admittance would create a storm that could destroy our club. ”

When I was growing up I was taught that Jews are smarter than non-Jews. My mother pointed to the holy trinity of Einstein, Freud and Marx and said we had created modernity in the west. We won all those Nobel Prizes. But we had to have our own clubs because we were discriminated against.

Now it turns out we are just as stupid as any other entitled insiders. My in-laws have belonged to a lot of WASPy clubs. They tell me the non-Jewish ones pull these sorts of stunts all the time.

Still, I hope the golf story gets widely circulated and brings mortification on the Jewish establishment, by showing the world what has brought my people down: obedience to Jewish nationalism.

There was another example of goldplated stupidity last Sunday. At the 92d Street Y in New York, a leading Jewish cultural institution, David Makovsky, a distinguished expert at the Washington Institute, in dialogue with a plummy and presentable rabbi, Peter Rubenstein, trotted out a series of lies, mischaracterizations and insults of students who support Palestinians. These activists are “importing” the confrontation from the Middle East rather than “exporting the hallmarks of American society, dialogue, tolerance, pluralism,” Makovsky said. The group Students for Justice in Palestine is rooted in Hamas (“It seemed that they have some roots with Hamas, and it’s coming out of Chicago, a lot of this”). They are not a peace group because they are not for a two state solution. If they refuse to accept the Jewish state, then Jews should not recognize the existence of Palestinians. As for the Jewish group “Jewish Voices for Peace” (not its real name)– they won’t work with SJP and are interested only in a settlement boycott (more poppycock).

The tragedy of Makovsky and Rubenstein’s self-congratulations is not they are wrong. Everyone gets things wrong. The tragedy is that they cannot countenance any rebuttal, and they set the entry price at $36 to make sure no Palestinian riffraff comes in to their Upper East Side club. Barack Obama isn’t welcome at Woodmont and no member of SJP or supporter of Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions is welcome to say word one at the 92d Street Y. It would shatter their precious worldview.

A few years ago the eminent peabrains of the 92d Street Y even canceled a Palestinian speaker who had the misfortune of having three of his daughters killed by Israel but was going to speak about peace– because there was no Jewish voice to “balance” his presentation on stage.

You can call that a lot of things but you can’t call it intelligent. So the people who prided ourselves on elite status in western intellectual life a generation ago is now reduced to shadow boxing with opponents it refuses to acknowledge as human beings.

The possibility that Makovsky’s American values of “dialogue tolerance and pluralism” might cause young Jews to “export” the idea of separation of church and state to Israel: Makovsky grew up inside religious Jewish life in St. Louis as an ambassador to Israel; and the idea has obviously never crossed his mind.

It’s not just him. Hillel International has so far successfully quashed a student rebellion and decreed that anti-Zionist Jews, or non-Jews, are not welcome through its doors. By the way, Hillel is an organization that says it is devoted to Jewish life on campus. So much for the vaunted Jewish IQ.

Ten years ago another elite NY Jewish cultural institution the Yivo Institute dedicated an evening to the Stephen Walt and John Mearsheimer book the Israel Lobby beginning with the invocation from a Harvard buddy who will go nameless that Jews are people of the book who believe that the best ideas win out in open debate. The next 90 minutes witnessed Marty Peretz, Jeffrey Goldberg and Daniel Goldhagen, smearing the ideas in the book as anti-semitic; and Yakov Hirsch, who lately watched the tape, tells me that Not one statement they made about that book was accurate. The highlight of the evening was Goldberg, who has lately been appointed editor of the Atlantic because he is in the estimation of  the Atlantic publisher the best journalist of his generation, asserting that the ballbearings lobby has as much power in Washington as the Israel lobby.

Again, people have a perfect right to get things wrong. What they don’t have a right to do is claim that they are having an open debate when the people who don’t believe that about the ball-bearings lobby are not invited to represent.

Never invited. It’s been ten years since the Israel lobby came out and I cannot think of one Jewish space that has invited the scholars to debate their ideas. Yes, Tikkun gave them a hearing in 2007 but Tikkun doesn’t count as establishment. I believe Steve Walt was invited to speak at a class at Brandeis once, that’s all.

The Jewish establishment has determined that these men are wicked so they cannot be heard. This is tragic. Whatever you think of the Israel lobby, it is surely one of the most powerful theories about Middle East policymaking in the years since the Iraq war; and Jews need to engage these ideas. They’re not. They’re above engaging. Not very intelligent.

The reasons they cannot even hear these ideas let alone have a former president in the country club are of course complicated: persecution, ghettoization, self-ghettoization, the need to depend on one another against a hostile world; the cultivation of an understanding of ourselves as a victimized and very vulnerable minority, in spite of the growing evidence of our privilege. That is not the subject of this article.

But today the driver of Jewish mindlessness is Israel’s position against world opinion. The vote in the U.N. that the Woodmont members find so offensive was 14-0-1. Israel’s conduct is now abjured by world opinion, and the Jewish establishment can’t even consider that the critics are right. I have often argued that Zionism was once an ideology of liberation. But those days are long over, and today Zionism dumbs down everything it touches. Makovsky is a decent and intelligent guy; but because he is paid by Israel supporters (notably the Schusterman Foundation) he winds up lecturing Arab students about US traditions of tolerance and dialogue to get them to shut up about apartheid; and none of those Arabs is welcome to rebut his errors.

We once were famous for teaching young people how to think. Today the opposite is the case. Lovers of the Jewish people must pray for the rise of anti-Zionism because it is what will liberate Jews from this madness.

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  1. amigo
    amigo
    January 14, 2017, 4:20 pm

    I wonder if prospective Jewish members who oppose the illegal settlements are denied membership.

    Why should Jews who support the illegal settlements be forced to socialise with self hating Jews.Perhaps that would make them feel uncomfortable. Can,t have that—eh.

    Anyone asked the Non Jewish members what they think??.

    • RoHa
      RoHa
      January 14, 2017, 8:32 pm

      “Anyone asked the Non Jewish members what they think??”

      Don’t be silly.

  2. Citizen
    Citizen
    January 14, 2017, 4:34 pm

    At one time, and for a long time, Gentile Germans were taught at home that they were the smartest group in the world, and they had many names to point to…. I wonder if Asian Americans are now being taught that at home, pointing to their superiority in math and science, for example?

    • rosross
      rosross
      January 16, 2017, 7:19 pm

      The Chinese certainly consider themselves superior to all others but then so do Indians, a country where I lived for many years.

      It is not unusual for religions, and the Jews are not the only ones, cultures or races to consider themselves to be better than everyone else.

      Neither is it unusual for immigrant groups to outperform given their need to find a place for themselves. This immigrant experience has happened everywhere and other young immigrant nations like Canada, Australia, New Zealand have had and still have exactly the same experiences. Not with all cultures but with some.

  3. Maghlawatan
    Maghlawatan
    January 14, 2017, 5:22 pm

    Israel is proof that Jews are as dumb as everyone else. Brainwashed Jews don’t write symphonies.

    • catalan
      catalan
      January 14, 2017, 9:50 pm

      Israel is proof that Jews are as dumb as everyone else. Brainwashed Jews don’t write symphonies – Mag.
      Israelis do some pretty outstanding work in the high level fields. The list of brilliant Israeli mathematicians and physicists is breathtaking.

      • annie
        annie
        January 14, 2017, 9:56 pm

        Israelis do some pretty outstanding work in the high level fields. The list of brilliant Israeli mathematicians and physicists is breathtaking. –

        and? are you building an argument that jews and/or israelis are smarter than other people? is that the take away implication from your comment? just spit it out catalan.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        January 14, 2017, 9:56 pm

        “The list of brilliant Israeli mathematicians and physicists is breathtaking. “

        And you are gasping so hard, you couldn’t link it.

      • talknic
        talknic
        January 14, 2017, 10:08 pm

        @ Mooser January 14, 2017, 9:56 pm

        There’s an ‘r’ in grasping

      • oldgeezer
        oldgeezer
        January 14, 2017, 10:09 pm

        @catalan

        Do tell mr financial wiz who has accepted a lower level job than he is capable of attaining.

        Where can I find a list of these brilliant Israeli mathematicans and physicists? Note that you don’t get to count them just because they are Jewish. Equating Jews and Israel is antisemitic. And, by my measure, you don’t get to count them when they were born, raised and educated, and acheived those goals elsewhere.

        Don’t keep us waiting. I am eager. Perhaps it will provide a pointer to, if not proof of, being a believer in the true god, superior genetics, a higher form of kife and even perhaps a figment of your imagination and narcissist nature.

        Btw … still enjoyibg your decision to be employed at a level below your capabilities? I may be wrong but I think you once claimed you could be a cabinet level advisor. Have you contacted the donald? Maybe i am wrong in that but if not then you are selfishly depraving err depriving the world of your abilities

      • Maghlawatan
        Maghlawatan
        January 15, 2017, 12:53 pm

        Israel’s PISA scores are crap. Because the settlers get the money.

      • Atlantaiconoclast
        Atlantaiconoclast
        January 15, 2017, 8:13 pm

        Israel is also our number one spy threat. How much Israeli technology is due to that spying?

      • talknic
        talknic
        January 16, 2017, 12:25 am

        @ catalan January 14, 2017, 9:50 pm

        “Israelis do some pretty outstanding work in the high level fields. The list of brilliant Israeli mathematicians and physicists is breathtaking”

        Doesn’t justify Israel’s illegal actions in non-Israeli territories over the last 70 years

      • rosross
        rosross
        January 16, 2017, 7:20 pm

        Not really breath-taking if you do a per capita comparison. Many little nations punch above their weight significantly.

        Israel is currently boosted by Anglo-European immigrants who have been well educated, but as the old colonists die off, the Israeli education system is unlikely, given its current performance, to produce much of note.

      • rosross
        rosross
        January 16, 2017, 7:27 pm

        If Israel has so many brilliant minds, why does it consistently act and think with abject stupidity?

        Top 20 living physicists – no Israelis.

        http://www.aneki.com/top_living_physicists.html?t=Top%2020%20Living%20Physicists&slide=20

        Top 20 living mathematicians – one Israeli, how can that be? But two Australians, two Canadians and a lot of British.

        http://www.aneki.com/top_living_mathematicians.html?t=Top%2020%20Living%20Mathematicians&slide=20

  4. Stephen Shenfield
    Stephen Shenfield
    January 14, 2017, 5:43 pm

    Insofar as there is any truth in the idea of Jews as bearers of freethinking modernity, it concerns only a transitional type of Jew who arose out of the collapse of the closed medieval ghetto — a collapse brought about from the OUTSIDE by the Gentile European Enlightenment. The rabbis who ruled the ghettoes were extremely intolerant of significant dissent: critics were cursed, anathematized, silenced, sometimes poisoned. Zionism returns Jewry to the medieval norm. It is myopic to view it primarily as a deviation from an enlightened pre-Zionist Judaism.

    In silencing their critics the Zionists are not so stupid in their own terms, because they know that they would be unable to respond rationally if they allowed their opponents to speak freely. Is it stupid to block a debate that you are bound to lose?

    • RoHa
      RoHa
      January 14, 2017, 9:01 pm

      “Insofar as there is any truth in the idea of Jews as bearers of freethinking modernity, it concerns only a transitional type of Jew who arose out of the collapse of the closed medieval ghetto”

      I have noted before that the Jews who made the greatest contributions to Western civilization were the least Jewish Jews. They had adopted the culture of the country they lived in, so that it is absurd to call the contribution of, say, a German Jew, educated as a member of the German middle class, a Jewish contribution rather than a German contribution.

      • gamal
        gamal
        January 14, 2017, 9:32 pm

        ” least Jewish Jews”

        yes man now you rocking,
        bring the band on down behind you,

        what is the least Jewishness one can have? I may have had a build up, may need to purge for progress’ sake

        ( i not sure about the commas, no disrespect i’m comalexic, how do apostrophes work, are they not vowels?)

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        January 14, 2017, 9:59 pm

        “They had adopted the culture of the country they lived in”

        As opposed, of course, to the Jews who decided to remain exclusively within the Jewish culture.

      • wondering jew
        wondering jew
        January 15, 2017, 2:07 am

        Regarding a scientist like Einstein there is little to support the Jewish aspect of his genius. Yeshiva people automatically think, if only he would have studied torah he would have been a great rabbi, and the culture of books and queries involved in talmud study, we of the books attribute the culture of ours for producing einstein.

        Regarding the humanities and a pseudo science like Freud, I believe there was a significant Jewish element in the contributions, the Jewish story telling, literacy, yearning for meritocracy, pushing with two elbows, were a serious contribution to the cultures of Europe in the late 19th and early 20th century and in Hollywood and radio/tv in america since the 1920’s. Those are Jewish accomplishments, Western accomplishments, nations accomplishment, human accomplishment.

      • Stephen Shenfield
        Stephen Shenfield
        January 15, 2017, 9:59 am

        Here is an interesting article on Einstein’s youth and the evolution of his views on ‘God, the Universe, and everything’: http://www.feelguide.com/2011/06/11/the-fascinating-story-of-einsteins-childhood-his-rebellious-youth-and-his-definition-of-god/.

        His parents regarded all religion as superstition. He attended a Catholic school and came to revere Christ. At the age of 10-12 he went through a stage of Judaic observance. He considered himself both Jewish and German. He retained throughout his life an idea of God as a unifying presence underlying the harmony and beauty of the universe — an idea, of course, that Judaism shares with Christianity and Islam. His idea of God inspired his scientific theories and in his later years put him at odds with the pioneers of quantum physics (‘God does not play dice’).

        Einstein’s work was a syncretic expression of and contribution to European civilization, within which there was a significant but not predominant Jewish component. I would attribute his brilliance not to the Jewish or any other specific component but to the syncretism itself.

      • jd65
        jd65
        January 15, 2017, 10:56 am

        @ Stephen Shenfield & RoHa:

        Basically agreed. Perhaps my thoughts here can essentially be boiled down to something written by Benjamin Beit-Hallahmi. In his Original Sins: Reflections on the History of Zionism and Israel (New York: Olive Branch Press, 1992-1993), Beit-Hallahmi writes about the relatively high level of Jewish success in the modern world, due in part to many Jews’ gradual secularization. He points to Marx, Freud, and Einstein as examples of this phenomenon and writes that, “They are Jews minus Jewishness[.]” While I personally represent the opposite of the type of modern success represented by the likes of Marx, Freud, and Einstein, I may have something in common with them yet: Being a Jew minus the Jewishness.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        January 15, 2017, 1:39 pm

        “Regarding the humanities and a pseudo science like Freud, I believe there was a significant Jewish element in the contributions, the Jewish story telling, literacy, yearning for meritocracy, pushing with two elbows, were a serious contribution to the cultures of Europe in the late 19th and early 20th century and in Hollywood and radio/tv in america since the 1920’s.”

        “Yonah” go post that anti-Semitic nonsense somewhere else.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        January 15, 2017, 2:37 pm

        “I may have something in common with them yet: Being a Jew minus the Jewishness.”

        Wow, that must be something. I’ve never been able to get rid of mine. And if I did, what would replace it?

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        January 15, 2017, 4:23 pm

        “I would attribute his brilliance not to the Jewish or any other specific component but to the syncretism itself.”

        I always thought Einstein’s work was the real thing, not a syncretic imitation.

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        January 15, 2017, 6:41 pm

        “Yeshiva people automatically think, if only he would have studied torah he would have been a great rabbi, ”

        Yeshiva people need to learn how to form conditional sentences.

        “If he had studied Torah, he would have been a great rabbi.”

        “and the culture of books and queries involved in talmud study, we of the books attribute the culture of ours for producing einstein. ”

        How did Newton and Hawking manage without that culture of books, queries, and advanced mathematics involved in Talmud study?

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        January 15, 2017, 6:46 pm

        Try replacing it with coffee.

      • jd65
        jd65
        January 15, 2017, 7:53 pm

        @ Mooser:

        Wow, that must be something. I’ve never been able to get rid of mine. And if I did, what would replace it?

        What would replace it, if anything, is entirely up to you my friend :)

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        January 16, 2017, 12:11 pm

        “What would replace it, if anything, is entirely up to you my friend :)”

        Thanks! If I think about it that way, it doesn’t seem so scary. And so many options to decide among!

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        January 16, 2017, 3:31 pm

        “and the culture of books and queries involved in talmud study, we of the books attribute the culture of ours for producing einstein.”

        But as you point out, “Yonah”, Einstein didn’t study Torah or Talmud. So how did he get culture, by osmosis?

      • rosross
        rosross
        January 16, 2017, 7:45 pm

        @ yonah,

        Perhaps a more comprehensive study of other cultures and religions would be informative for you.

        That which you attribute to Judaism is universal and found in all religions and cultures in varying form.

        The most advanced and enlightened cultures are not Jewish and never were and if Israel does represent Judaism, not that I think it does, then how can you explain its behaviour as a backward, unenlightened, primitive society?

        I am sure Jews contributed to the development of humanity, but no more than any other and it is religiously racist to claim that it somehow stands out.

        And since many of those who are called Jews who contributed, but are not really Jewish, in that they were not followers of the religion, or, in the case of Einstein, even raised in the religion, or had one Jewish parent and one non-Jewish parent, either equally a contributor to whatever brilliance might manifest, the entire theory of Jewish excellence is full of holes, unless one takes an elitist and racist view that any ancestral connection to Judaism confers superiority. That is of course the Zionist view.

      • rosross
        rosross
        January 16, 2017, 8:06 pm

        @Yonah,

        Clearly all Israelis got was pushing with both elbows and both heels. Pushy being part and parcel of the culture as anyone exposed to it soon discovers, including many non-Israeli Jews!

        Can you explain what this miraculous component is which has somehow come from a religion and is passed down to anyone who had an ancestor who practised the religion, which renders them somehow more intelligent? The Jews without the Jewishness equation? Sounds awfully racist to me.

      • wondering jew
        wondering jew
        January 16, 2017, 11:46 pm

        Rosross- maybe under different noninternet circumstances you’d have enough courtesy not to tell me what I need to study.

        You feel free to tell us what Einstein and Freud were, and although both wrote on the topic of jewishness, God forbid you should quote them, because then you’d have to argue with them regarding their self identities.

        Unfortunately many propagandists have twisted Einstein and Freud’s words to make them into nationalists, which they weren’t, but such misuse of these men and their words does not give you license to categorize then according to your limited 2017 perspective rather than allowing them to express their opinions in their own words.

        (Karl marx was a piece of fecal matter and including him with an original thinker like Freud and the preeminent scientist of the 20th century , albert einstein, is a real disgrace.)

        The possibility of a genetic component to Jewish accomplishments cannot be dismissed, although it is politically incorrect. But it is not an argument that i, as someone who has not studied genetics nor the relevant statistics am willing to make, nor have I made such an argument.

        The period in question: the last quarter of the 19th century and the first half of the 20th century featured certain dynamics that were in play regarding the Jewish populations of central and eastern europe, totally unrelated to the rituals or theologies of judaism. The dynamics involved a suppressed population that saw educational excellence as their path out of the ghetto, both the ghetto imposed by the wider society and the insularity advocated by the society of Jewish conformity which individuals yearning to breathe free, found suffocating. As far as excellence in science and math, where the progress of the west was remarkable, attributing the excellence of Einstein to his roots seems farfetched and I offered the explanation of yeshiva people half tongue in cheek. As regards to the humanities exemplified by Freud ( whose scientific contributions were minimal, at least from 2017 eyes, but whose cultural contribution was gigantic particularly with the advent of cinema and early television ) I think his jewishness was a major contributor to his innovation, global perspective and stubbornness in the face of wholesale opposition of non-Jewish vienna. I cannot read kafka’s Gregor samsa awakening to discover his roachiness, without thinking of the fact that the nazis were soon to treat kafka’s ethnic group like insects needing extermination. The jew as middle man and obsessed with words and books, salesmanship and oratory, contrasted to the taciturn peasants of the other ethnicities of the region, certainly played a part in the development of media industries in the period involved.

        To pretend that because monotheism or sabbath observance or avoidance of bacon seem to be unrelated to the developments of an information society and then to conclude that jewishness, occupying a specific ethnic and sociological role in society, is an irrelevant factor strikes me as ignorant and arrogant.

        Both Freud and einstein were unashamed of their ethnic roots and for some punk to come a hundred years later and spout how they were non-Jewish because of their lack of attachment to the religion, is the height of juvenile sophomoric childishness. No one who has studied the issue with any degree of scholarship and seriousness would treat you as anything other than a child.

      • echinococcus
        echinococcus
        January 17, 2017, 11:04 am

        Reb Feldman,

        I am speechless: such an amount of shiny polish that is even more howlingly racist than the racist turd at its core that the polish was supposed to cover.

        That’s a feat, especially coming from a sunday-school thinker deep enough to afford calling Marx a POS. I hope you won’t forget to grace posterity with the collected edition of your thoughts.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        January 17, 2017, 11:55 am

        . No one who has studied the issue with any degree of scholarship and seriousness would treat…”

        Shut up, “Yonah”.

      • eljay
        eljay
        January 17, 2017, 12:41 pm

        || yonah fredman: … The possibility of a genetic component to Jewish accomplishments cannot be dismissed … ||

        Curious:
        – How does this genetic component get transmitted to converts to Judaism?
        – Does this genetic component have a role in non-Jewish accomplishments?
        – Does this genetic component have a role in Jewish (and non-Jewish) failures or is a different genetic component involved?

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        January 17, 2017, 1:43 pm

        “Rosross- maybe under different noninternet circumstances you’d have enough courtesy not to tell me what I need to study”

        Sure Yonah. I hear your expectorations are deadly at close range.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        January 17, 2017, 1:57 pm

        “I hope you won’t forget to grace posterity with the collected edition of your thoughts.”

        You mean “Yonah’s” archive?

        Hey “Yonah”, don’t get so upset! If 2 billion Jews tell the world not to talk or have an opinion about us, the world will shut up in a hurry!

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        January 17, 2017, 3:38 pm

        “The possibility of a genetic component to Jewish accomplishments cannot be dismissed”

        Gee, the most obvious “genetic component” considered relevant to “Jewish accomplishments” might be consanguinity. No, that won’t necessarily explain why there are so few of us.

      • jd65
        jd65
        January 27, 2017, 4:48 pm

        @ echinococcus:

        That’s a feat, especially coming from a sunday-school thinker deep enough to afford calling Marx a POS….

        Yeah man. That jumped out at me too. Placing Freud so, so much higher than Marx as an “original thinker” is… uhhhh… interesting. Maybe yonah needs to go see a shrink :)

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        January 27, 2017, 5:41 pm

        “Maybe yonah needs to go see a shrink”

        Waste of money, if you ask me.
        Hard to see how “Yonah” could get any smaller, more narrow, or denser than he is.

    • rosross
      rosross
      January 16, 2017, 7:35 pm

      And like all religions there are variations on the theme of Judaism, depending upon the country in which it operates and the culture on which it draws.

      My Jewish ancestors, going back to the late 17th century in England were pretty ordinary, generally non-achievers, but hard workers and culturally assimilated and when they emigrated to Australia in the mid 19th century, the males pretty much opted out of the religion, the females with less choice remained in, and off they went as Australians with few if any problems beyond what faced all other poor to working class Aussies.

      There seems no trace of discrimination in the experiences of the English or Australian Jews and I expect that was a common story for many. One of the problems with tribal, religious, cultural or racial stories and myths is that people expect them to tell everyone’s story and they do not.

      Zionism emerged from a bunch of bitter atheists from what I can see and does not and has never reflected or represented Judaism or Jews. Israel’s curse is Zionism.

    • inbound39
      inbound39
      January 17, 2017, 12:25 pm

      Is it stupid to block a debate that you are bound to lose? ………..Yes Stephen….it most certainly is. If you fail to allow discussion of a longstanding and festering problem you are setting it up to blow up in your face. Balanced thinkers know it is best to resolve all issues as they arise…not sweep them under the carpet and hope they go away or people will forget them. No one has forgotten and the problem of Israel’s criminal behaviour is still in the open for it to properly deal with in accordance with its responsibilities to comply with and abide by International Law and all previous signed agreements. Ignoring the problem simply sets the ignorer up for a painful fall.

  5. Maghlawatan
    Maghlawatan
    January 14, 2017, 6:27 pm

  6. AddictionMyth
    AddictionMyth
    January 14, 2017, 6:31 pm

    The cool thing about free speech is that it’s really, really hard to be a hypocrite about it. Speaking of which – it’s really quiet around here….

  7. Kay24
    Kay24
    January 14, 2017, 7:22 pm

    Every religion, every nation, and in every corner of the world, you get your share of idiots, no one can claim otherwise. It is acting like you don’t, being arrogant, and thinking you are superior to all, is what makes you a bigger idiot.

    • RoHa
      RoHa
      January 14, 2017, 9:02 pm

      Sometimes I think that in Canberra we’ve got someone else’s share as well as our own.

  8. wondering jew
    wondering jew
    January 14, 2017, 9:31 pm

    As far as the golf club, all I can say is that groucho crystallized all there is to be said in two jokes.

    Makovsky and insular hillel and “Israel Lobby” raise some real questions. Israel diplomacy as exemplified by the handshake between rabin and arafat has collapsed and the new reality is much darker. The only valid point to make in Israel’s behalf is the chaos of syria (and the region).

    Netanyahu’s whole hearted embrace of trump in the aftermath of the Obama abstention was sure to alienate the majority of American voters who voted against trump, but bibi could care less. Narrow minded political survival short term thinking.

    Right now the trump presidency is about to begin and i cant say how embarrassing this moment is for america.

    Also the hope that the mozes yediot achronot scandal might sink bibi is too hard to believe. Out of superstition I feel it unwise to even mention it.

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      January 14, 2017, 10:03 pm

      “Israel diplomacy as exemplified by the handshake between rabin and arafat has collapsed”

      “Collapsed”, “Yonah”? It was murdered, along with Rabin, by your Israelis.

    • oldgeezer
      oldgeezer
      January 14, 2017, 10:19 pm

      @yonah

      No syria is not a valid point. Syria is potential additional threat at some future point in time when Israel no longer offers aid support and assistance to the most vile of jihadis.

      Israel would have one less threat if it made peace with the Palestinians. As a criminal rogue state Israel figures it can handle the additional threat and prefers to oppress millions

      I think the level of tbe gutter needs to be lowered for Israel.

    • Atlantaiconoclast
      Atlantaiconoclast
      January 15, 2017, 8:17 pm

      Israel has been pushing for the destabilization of Syria. Get serious.

      • Tuyzentfloot
        Tuyzentfloot
        January 16, 2017, 8:57 am

        Israel has been pushing for the destabilization of Syria. Get serious.

        I doubt Israel has made a big difference in this conflict. Maybe in part because it approved of the way things were going without them.
        A new article by Gareth Porter for instance claims the US was mainly egged on by the Saudis, Turkey and Qatar.
        http://www.middleeasteye.net/columns/behind-real-us-strategic-blunder-syria-2049258334

      • oldgeezer
        oldgeezer
        January 16, 2017, 11:28 am

        @tuyzentfloot

        No doubt the PNAC plan and Israeli yinon plan upon which it was based had little to do with it. (sarcasm of course)

      • Tuyzentfloot
        Tuyzentfloot
        January 16, 2017, 4:38 pm

        @oldgeezer PNAC and Yinon clarify why Israel has no objection to permanent war in Syria, but it does not show a clear preference towards Assad actually being defeated.

        Israel could become more aggressive now that the Syrian army is gaining ground and since Turkey is no longer working against them.

      • oldgeezer
        oldgeezer
        January 17, 2017, 12:35 pm

        @tuyzenfloot

        I simply don’t agree with your characterization of those plans as a reasonable inference. Regime change is certainly one of the core elements of the pnac plan and any balkanziation/restructuring of the region would perforce require that. We will have to disagree on that point.

        When taken together with Israel’s involvement with the Kurds and Al Nusra, as documented by unifil forces, and also combined with their public statements the the desire for regime change and active efforts in that process are clear.

    • rosross
      rosross
      January 16, 2017, 10:52 pm

      Israel has fomented the Syrian war in order to steal the Golan Heights. Anyone can work that out. It will fail, but it is the plan.

  9. Dan From Away
    Dan From Away
    January 14, 2017, 9:48 pm

    “The Israel Lobby” should be capitalized and put in quotes, underlined or italicized since it is the title of a book and the article reads clunkily without it. That being said, I suggest (again) that MW stop using “the Israel lobby” as a general descriptor for pro-Israel political power in Washington, DC and use “the Zionist lobby” instead. Why? Because Zionists don’t want the term “Zionist” used, anywhere and are distressed when they hear it used publicly. Why? Because if the term “Zionism” were widely discussed in a natural voice – memed as appropriate – then more people might come to understand not only the history behind the term but also might learn to counter all of organized Zionism’s taboos using only their voices. I consider MW’s continued use of “the Israel lobby” inexplicable and I feel the same way about MW’s use of “liberal Zionists”. Still, mad respect.

    • jd65
      jd65
      January 15, 2017, 11:00 am

      Very strong/important post, Dan W. Plainly and respectfully expressed. Agreed on all points.

    • rosross
      rosross
      January 16, 2017, 10:53 pm

      Well said. It is the same with the use of the term West Bank instead of saying Occupied Palestine.

  10. Mooser
    Mooser
    January 14, 2017, 10:01 pm

    “As far as the golf club, all I can say is that groucho crystallized all there is to be said in two jokes.”

    Which two jokes, “Yonah”? You don’t specify.

    • wondering jew
      wondering jew
      January 14, 2017, 11:27 pm

      1. Won’t join club that would have me as a member. 2. Can my daughter wade in up to her knees, she’s only half jewish.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        January 15, 2017, 1:44 pm

        So those are the two jokes which apply to Obama joining the golf club? Ho-Kay!

  11. eljay
    eljay
    January 14, 2017, 10:05 pm

    It turns out Jews are as stupid as everyone else

    Makes sense: Contrary to the belief seemingly held by some (many? most?) Jewish people, Jews are nothing more than human beings.

  12. catalan
    catalan
    January 14, 2017, 10:10 pm

    Mooser, here is a list of Israeli physicists of note: https://www.google.com/amp/m.ranker.com/amp/list/famous-physicists-from-israel/reference?client=safari
    Regardless, I am not building any arguments that Jews are smarter than others. Just responding to Mag that Israelis do some remarkable work.

    • RoHa
      RoHa
      January 14, 2017, 10:48 pm

      Now check out where they were born, where they were educated, and where they did their important work.

      • rosross
        rosross
        January 16, 2017, 10:58 pm

        Most not born in Israel, most Europeans, Russians, even a Palestinian – hardly Israeli anyway.

    • oldgeezer
      oldgeezer
      January 14, 2017, 11:49 pm

      That is a truly awesome list and web site catalan. You have proved your worth as usual

      http://www.ranker.com/

      It will also tells us the greatest former child stars and greatest fictional princesses.

      You are a wonder. You just never stop giving. Thank you.

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      January 15, 2017, 12:05 am

      “Israelis do some remarkable work.”

      But what if there are not enough of them?

    • John O
      John O
      January 15, 2017, 8:45 am

      And here’s a list of distinguished Irish physicists:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Irish_physicists

    • amigo
      amigo
      January 15, 2017, 9:47 am

      Catalan, lees than 1/4 were born in Israel.Many of the others were educated in the West.

      The only remarkable thing Jewish Israelis do in large numbers is get the rest of the world to hate and distrust them.You would do better to focus on that side of Israel,s remarkable work.

    • Maghlawatan
      Maghlawatan
      January 15, 2017, 12:21 pm

      Israelis make very poor strategists.
      And Israel underwhelms at the Olympics.
      Israelis are world class at construction on land that doesn’t belong to them. And whining.

    • Eva Smagacz
      Eva Smagacz
      January 15, 2017, 7:47 pm

      “Israeli physicists of note”
      Notice that overwhelming majority of them has been educated in Russia, or had teachers, academic teachers and research colleagues who were educated in Russia.
      This little snippet of information never gets revealed.

    • rosross
      rosross
      January 16, 2017, 10:55 pm

      One would ask who compiled the list since no Israelis appear on general lists of world’s greatest physicists. Could your list, catalan, be from Tel Aviv?

  13. talknic
    talknic
    January 14, 2017, 10:12 pm

    Zionist are stupid. They’ve left an easily followed, incriminating, delegitimizing, trail of bullsh*t that has led Israel to the point where it can no longer afford to adhere to the law without the Jewish State going bankrupt

    • oldgeezer
      oldgeezer
      January 14, 2017, 11:59 pm

      @talknic

      I don’t know why you keep on pointing out that adhering to international law would bankrupt Israel.

      It is not like Israel has ever had any intention of doing so. It is not as if they would like to adhere and find themselves in a predicament at this stage.
      It was preplanned as a crime against humanity. It was executed as a crime against humanity. They have indocrinated their adherents to believe they are victims. Victims of being held to account to the same standards as other states. In their mind they are being singled out by not being (not merely allowed) but being supported in a positive way while perpetrating crimes against humanity. Indeed crines against humanity perpetrated by groups such as ISIS fully justify their crimes against humanity even though their crimes predate ISIS by decades.

      They are only rated as the second most despised state in the world because all seven billion of us have some genetic flaw (which is corrected by god if we convert religion) which they magically escape.

      • Sibiriak
        Sibiriak
        January 15, 2017, 5:49 am

        oldgeezer: because all seven billion of us have some genetic flaw (which is corrected by god if we convert religion)
        ————–

        Original Sin? By the grace of God, redemption by whom? The only remedy…

      • oldgeezer
        oldgeezer
        January 15, 2017, 1:58 pm

        @sibiriak

        My refetence wasn’t religious per se.

    • Sibiriak
      Sibiriak
      January 15, 2017, 2:10 am

      talknic: […] [Israel] can no longer afford to adhere to the law without the Jewish State going bankrupt.
      ————————-
      It’s very unlikely that Israeli “bankruptcy” would result from a two-state settlement (based on the “Green Line”) in accordance with international law and UN resolutions.

      You have to weigh economic costs against benefits.

      Economic Costs of Ending the Apartheid Occupation

      *Compensation to Palestinian refugees and the State of Palestine itself.

      *Costs of removing, relocating and financially compensating a significant portion of Israelis now living in illegal OPT settlements.

      *Loss of income from exploiting natural resources in OPT.

      *Loss of income from selling non-Israeli land to illegal Israeli settlers, as well as property tax income etc.

      *Lost investments in OPT infrastructure etc.

      Economic Benefits of Ending the Apartheid Occupation

      *Increase in international investment, trade and aid to both Israel and Palestine following the end of the Occupation and a two-state settlement.

      *End of massive Israeli subsidies to illegal settlers.

      *End of massive costs of maintaining the “matrix of control” in OPT.

      *Shift of a significant amount of military spending to more socially beneficial outlays and/or tax reduction.

      Economist Shir Hever has made a detailed economic analysis in his book, “The Political Economy of Israel’s Occupation.

      http://www.plutobooks.com/display.asp?K=9780745327945&amp

      A brief summary can be found in his article “Why Does Israel Still Occupy the Palestinians?

      He concludes that the economic costs of maintaining the Occupation outweigh the costs that would be incurred by ending it.

      Within Israel, the arguments used to support the occupation on the basis of its purported economic benefits to Israel have gone silent. Even Marxist economists who effectively demonstrated the profits derived by Israel from the occupation in its first two decades largely abandoned the notion that Israel occupies the Palestinian territories for economic profit after the First Intifada of 1987, since when Palestinian resistance to the occupation has exacted a heavy economic toll on Israel – although clearly Palestinians paid a much heavier price for daring to challenge Israel’s occupation (Swirski, 2005).

      The costs of the occupation to Israeli society can be divided into three.

      First, the massive subsidies to the illegal colonists in the West Bank are estimated at about US$ 3 billion annually and growing by 5%-8% annually.

      Second, the cost of security for the colonies, and the military expenditure to keep the Palestinians under control (both in the West Bank and Gaza) is about double that – at US$ 6 billion annually, and growing at about the same rate as the civilian costs (Hever, 2005).

      Third, the social costs of the occupation are too numerous and complex to list here, including the collapse of public services, social solidarity and democratic institutions within Israel, and the widening of social gaps to monstrous levels.

      […]It would therefore seem that the rational course of action for the Israeli government would be to end the occupation of the Palestinian territories.

      http://www.newleftproject.org/index.php/site/print_article/why_does_israel_still_occupy_the_palestinians

      ————————–
      Shir Hever:

      So why do Israelis support the occupation, even though they realize that it is an economic burden? The answer is complex, as Israelis are not a homogeneous group

      See the rest of the above linked article for Hever’s detailed explanation.

      • Sibiriak
        Sibiriak
        January 15, 2017, 2:26 am
      • talknic
        talknic
        January 15, 2017, 3:26 pm

        Both omit the cost of hundreds of thousands of Israel’s illegal settlers, many of whom are serving in or have served in the IDF, who’re not likely to support the Israeli Government’s attempts to relocate them. I.e., a civil war fought predominantly in non-Israeli territories,
        against an Israeli Government trying to relocate them using a fractured, polarized, at war with itself, IDF

        Both omit the possible cost of war with the neighbouring states who’d then have every right to step into the breach again in order to protect non-Israeli territories and their legitimate inhabitants as they did in 1948, this time possibly with the aid of the International Community

        Both omit the costs of Syria, seeing success in evicting illegal Israeli settlers from non-Israeli Palestinian territories, then wanting the Golan back with the support of the International Community. More illegal settlers in need of relocation, more compensation to both Syria, refugees and those illegal settlers. Ensuing litigation by oil companies et al against the Govt of Israel. Loss of even more income from non-Israeli resources

        Both omit the effect of Israelis realizing they’ve been duped and simply abandoning Israel altogether. Likewise with Jewish folk in the diaspora and the International community at large

        What increase in international investment, trade and aid to … Israel? Are sanctions already in place?

        Neither answer the question they pose. There has never been any interest by Israel in anything but the colonization of as much territory as possible in order to support a pyramid scheme that relies on MORE territory in order to survive. Like all pyramid schemes, once they crumble kiss your rrrs goodbye.

        “It would therefore seem that the rational course of action for the Israeli government would be to end the occupation of the Palestinian territories “

        So they’re irrational. It isn’t new news

  14. catalan
    catalan
    January 14, 2017, 10:44 pm

    Smart people can have disagreeable politics. Heidegger comes to mind and many others. Intelligence has nothing to do with political or any other views. The European countries which were full of smart people went to war so many times, including recently. Thus, both Israelis and Palestinians may be smart, talanted, and good, and still fight to the bitter end.

    • echinococcus
      echinococcus
      January 15, 2017, 12:34 pm

      Catalan,

      Your stuff has been catching the eyes of readers here for something like a year or so.
      My question: what is your point? If there is one and you won’t tell yet, when can we expect to read about it?

      • Eva Smagacz
        Eva Smagacz
        January 16, 2017, 5:35 pm

        Echinococcus asks:
        “Catalan (…) What is your point?

        I think Catalan specialises in Step 4 of Hasbara as defined by
        Gabriel Ash on his blog Jews sans Frontiers 8 years ago:

        Here are the steps :The case for Israel is made of four propositions that should always be presented in the correct escalating order.

        We rock
        They suck
        You suck
        Everything sucks

        That’s it. Now you know everything that it took me a lifetime to learn. The rest is details; filling in the dotted lines.

        You begin by saying how great Israel is. Israel want peace; Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East; the desert blooms; kibutz; Israelis invented antibiotics, the wheel, the E minor scale; thanks to the occupation Palestinians no longer live in caves; Israel liberates Arab women; Israel has the most moral army in the world, etc.

        This will win over 50% of your listeners immediately. Don’t worry about the factual content. This is about brand identity, not writing a PhD. Do you really think BP is ‘beyond petroleum’?

        Then you go into the second point: They suck. Here you talk about the legal system of Saudi Arabia, gay rights in Iran, slave trade in the Sudan, Mohammad Atta, the burqa, Palestinians dancing after 9/11, Arafat’s facial hair, etc.

        There is only one additional principle you need to understand here. It will separate you from the amateurs. You need to know your audience. If you’ve got a crowd already disposed to racist logic, go for it with everything you have. But if you get a liberal crowd, you need to sugar coat the racism a bit. Focus on women rights, human rights, religious tolerance, “clash of civilizations”, terrorism, they teach their children to hate, etc. Deep down your audience WANTS to enjoy racism and feel superior. They just need the proper encouragement so they can keep their sophisticated self-image. Give them what they crave and they’ll adore you! But be careful not to ‘mix n match,’ because it will cost you credibility.

        When you’re done, there will always be dead-enders insisting that abuse of gays in Iran does not justify ethnic cleansing in Palestine. Take a deep breath, and pull the doomsday weapon: You suck!

        You’re a Jew-hater, Arab-lover, anti-Semite, you’re a pinko, a commie, a dreamer, a naive, a self-hater, you have issues, your mother worked for the Nazis, Prince Bandar buys you cookies, you forgot you were responsible for the holocaust, etc. The more the merrier. By the time you end this barrage, only a handful would be left standing. For mopping them up, you use the ultimate postmodern wisdom: Everything sucks.

        War, genocide, racism, oppression are everywhere. From the Roma in Italy to the Native-Americans in the U.S., the weak are victimized. Why pick on Israel? It’s the way of the world. Look! Right is only in question between equals in power; the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must. Ethics, schmethics. Life is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing. Eat, drink! Carpe diem! The Palestinians would throw us into the sea if they could. Ha ha!

        Trust me, that’s as far as words can go. If you followed this method faithfully, you’ve done your work. You should leave the few who are still unconvinced to the forces of order.

        Congratulations!
        You are now ready to
        apologize for Israel like a pro.

      • echinococcus
        echinococcus
        January 17, 2017, 2:32 pm

        Eva,

        Thanks for this nice reminder on a propaganda classic –http://jewssansfrontieres.blogspot.com.tr/2008/07/how-to-make-case-for-israel-and-win.html

        But “Catalan” is really too impaired to do that right.

        Ash underlines why:

        The case for Israel is made of four propositions that should always be presented in the correct escalating order.

        .

        Meaning that you can’t just jump directly to Point 4 without observing the progression from 1 to 2 to 3 to 4. Otherwise one risks coming across as being exactly what one appears to be, i.e. a babbling fool.

      • catalan
        catalan
        January 17, 2017, 3:18 pm

        “…babbling fool…”
        Word. I am aware of my utter ignorance and insignificance. However, I can tell you, that being a fool with money is not the worst thing.

      • Maghlawatan
        Maghlawatan
        January 17, 2017, 5:27 pm

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        January 17, 2017, 5:42 pm

        ” I can tell you, that being a fool with money is not the worst thing.”

        Money is not everything “catalan”. Take it from someone that knows. You can’t buy life, health, meaning or happiness with money.

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        January 17, 2017, 6:46 pm

        Mooser, if you give me a couple of billion dollars, I’ll take up that challenge. I’ll let you know if you are right.

  15. Marnie
    Marnie
    January 15, 2017, 12:35 am

    “It turns out Jews are as stupid as everyone else”.

    Everyone else is stupid? Jews aren’t as smart as they say they are? Stupid people can be Jews too? Oh dear, if that’s true, what’s next? Fat people really aren’t jolly?

  16. kalithea
    kalithea
    January 15, 2017, 1:47 am

    Your prayers are about to be answered! Trump is inviting illegal settlers to his inauguration.:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/israel-settler-groups-invite-donald-trump-inauguration-ceremony-yesha-council-jewish-settlements-a7525716.html

    Also, Zionists a creating a real shit storm in the U.K. trying to single out and smear British members of parliament who criticize Israel and are sympathetic to the Palestinians as being anti-Semitic; and attempting to take down the Deputy Foreign Minister for condemning illegal settlements..:

    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/01/uk-corbyn-calls-probe-israeli-interference-170113202756949.html

    • Marnie
      Marnie
      January 15, 2017, 9:07 am

      Holy sh$%! Is the situation so dire for team tRUMP wrt attendance at his conflagration that he has to get illegal settlers (really, are there any other kind?) to help fill the bleachers or will they be providing whine, cheeze and settler style entertainment? http://i.imgur.com/ZdYzL.jpg

      • Boo
        Boo
        January 16, 2017, 2:49 pm

        A lot of us will be down there and perhaps will have the opportunity to see if they’re so tough when they’re thousands of miles from their home turf. This is our corner, homies.

      • Marnie
        Marnie
        January 17, 2017, 12:33 am

        Take pictures please!

  17. Ossinev
    Ossinev
    January 15, 2017, 6:14 am

    @catalan
    “Israelis do some pretty outstanding work in the high level fields. The list of brilliant Israeli mathematicians and physicists is breathtaking”

    Careful where you are going with this one sunshine. Germany in the 1930`s and 1940`s also had a host of brilliant engineers,mathematicians,physicists etc – didn`t stop them in the least from becoming brainwashed you know whats.

    • rosross
      rosross
      January 16, 2017, 11:07 pm

      The most brilliant Nazis were secretly removed to the US, UK and elsewhere so their brilliance could be utilised. However, Nazism was still, despite aspects of brilliance, one of the most horrible manifestations in human history. Not the first, not the worst and sadly, not the last, but pretty nasty on many counts, despite the moments of brilliance.

      No-one is all bad. Hitler opposed smoking and banned vivisection. Mussolini got the trains to run on time. Did that make everything else okay? No. And neither does the fact that Israel like any other nation is occasionally useful in terms of technology and development, or rather, claims to be useful in terms of technology but since one can believe nothing which comes out of Israel, all claims must be treated with caution.

  18. pabelmont
    pabelmont
    January 15, 2017, 9:24 am

    PW: “My mother pointed to the holy trinity of Einstein, Freud and Marx”.

    Hmm, so did my mother, Proud? I guess. And she was resolutely anti-Jewish-religion, resolutely. Cooked bacon and had a pot on top of the stove to collect bacon fat. Made a delicious dish combining matzo-meal (instead of bread crumbs) with broken bacon bits.

    Life is full of interesting contradictions.

    • echinococcus
      echinococcus
      January 15, 2017, 10:05 am

      Interesting contradictions? No contradiction, as the rabidly racist theory of “Jewish” predictably falls into place here, too, with not only godless Einstein but officially x-generations-removed, opium-of-the-people Marx. Can any political movement be more ludicrously, not to mention unconsciously, racist than this non-political affiliation?

  19. catalan
    catalan
    January 15, 2017, 10:06 am

    may be wrong but I think you once claimed you could be a cabinet level advisor. –
    Hi oldgeezer,
    Actually I have never claimed that, I don’t even work for the federal government. Perhaps in Bulgaria, I could have been an embassador or something of that nature. But as to the lower level job, sure, career is not the only thing that matters for me.
    I do have a job that requires intelligence and my advice and thoughts are valued. I am not seeking to grow at all costs, in fact just a few months I rejected an offer for a position with considerably more authority. I know he girl who took it, and she has that drive and the interest in the whole thing. I actually don’t like to tell people what to do.
    As to the smart Israelis, do not misunderstand. I just point out that for a small country, Israel has a solid number of scientists and some impressive accomplishments. Then again, so does Iran. I like to play around in Math and Physics theory as a hobby, and honestly, it seems to me that the US is very far ahead of everyone else; the good schools here attract the best talent from all over the world and that includes Israel, but also many others (incidentally, Bulgaria also has an unusual percentage of high level mathematicians).

    • oldgeezer
      oldgeezer
      January 15, 2017, 11:37 am

      I know you aren’t with the feds. You work for a municipality. I was just referring to your prior self assesments. Now I see you think an ambassador position could have possibly been yours. And you’re still turning down all those better jobs.

      You are truly a legend in your own mind.

      Of course Israel has some bright minds in quite a variety of fields. Most countries. It is a given and non issue and absolutely irrelevant to zionist supremacism depriving millions of people their basic human rights on a daily basis.

      I am going out on a limb here but I bet Israel has some really tall people too. Go figure!

    • amigo
      amigo
      January 15, 2017, 11:47 am

      catalan , you are very confused individual , or is could it be that you think all Americans are thick.

      “Never has there been a more spoiled, whining and childish people” Amigo paraphrasing catalan

      “Yeah and they are!!, “Americans are awful at math, chemistry, history and pretty much every other subject. They do have the largest waistlines though and are best at whining. ” catalan.
      – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2015/05/sheesh/#comment-769857

      You seem to have changed your opinion of Americans!!!!

      ” I like to play around in Math and Physics theory as a hobby, and honestly, it seems to me that the US is very far ahead of everyone else -catalan. See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2017/01/turns-stupid-everyone/#sthash.o38zBndx.dpuf

      Remember the archives.

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      January 15, 2017, 2:20 pm

      .” Perhaps in Bulgaria, I could have been an embassador or something of that nature”

      You would have made a superb embarassodor.

      • catalan
        catalan
        January 15, 2017, 3:45 pm

        “You would have made a superb embarassodor” Mooser
        Funny and possibly true. I did study and briefly work for the foreign service but then left to pursue my not-so-impressive career in America. Remember though, Eastern Europe has a more conservative politics than yours. I kind of think now that being a diplomat would have been fun, but hey, what could have been doesn’t matter.
        The solution to the Israeli Palestinian mess is in talking, engaging and working together. You think it is in BDS. Only time will tell what works. Let’s hope we are both here to see the result.

      • annie
        annie
        January 15, 2017, 4:32 pm

        The solution to the Israeli Palestinian mess is in talking, engaging and working together.

        hmm, one would assume pro israel activists think otherwise, since their primary tactic is accusations of anti semitism, twisting others words, and smearing their opponents. talking, engaging and working together may eventually lead to peace after the occupation is over. but it won’t end the occupation, only pressure on israel will end the occupation, something pro israel activists won’t do, or don’t appear to ever be doing it anyway. they take funds and advisement from the israeli government. they talk, engage and work with the israeli government. this won’t end the occupation.

        You think it is in BDS.

        BDS is a non violent way to pressure israel. after decades of brutal occupation, it’s an alternative that might work, which is more than one can say for talk and engagement, which only got palestinians more entrenched. if talking could end the occupation, palestine would be free right now.

        the primary “talk” israel does with palestinians is threaten them and interrogate them during torture/imprisonment, while palestinians get to answer, beg for permits and other humiliating interactions. it’s a conversation between a prisoner and his warden. pff.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        January 15, 2017, 4:16 pm

        “The solution to the Israeli Palestinian mess is in talking, engaging and working together.”

        Oh yeah, wouldn’t you be a big hit at the diplomatic receptions. “The Israeli Palestine mess”? Sounds like a natural disaster.

      • catalan
        catalan
        January 15, 2017, 5:32 pm

        “only pressure on israel will end the occupation, ”
        No amount of pressure would end it. Because the military occupation is the only card that Israel holds in this. That is why the right wing there keeps winning. It’s just common sense – if the occupation ended without resolution to all the other issues, then Israel would have to negotiate the rest without having the ability to inflict more pain. Right now, should there be some bad sanctions, all Israel has to do is transfer the pain to the Palestinians. Without the occupation, Israel loses all leverage in negotiations over right of return, Jerusalem and everything else. It’s an unfortunate situation for everyone but more so for the Palestinians.
        The problem is that we are in the nuclear arms era with mutually assured destruction. This just changes the game completely. But if I am wrong, and the BDS thing does work, then tough luck for the Israelis; I am very skeptical of all predictions of the future. Nonetheless, my bet is that first, there won’t be any meaningful sanctions and second, if there were such, they would produce a different result from the intended one.

      • talknic
        talknic
        January 15, 2017, 6:24 pm

        @ catalan January 15, 2017, 3:45 pm

        “The solution to the Israeli Palestinian mess is in talking, engaging and working together”

        Tell that to someone who insists on stealing your home while slaughtering your children

      • eljay
        eljay
        January 15, 2017, 6:39 pm

        || catalan: … The solution to the Israeli Palestinian mess is in talking, engaging and working together. … ||

        The solution to the I-P mess is to:
        – uphold and honour obligations under international laws;
        – defend and respect human rights; and
        – hold all (war) criminals accountable for their past and on-going (war) crimes.

        Once that’s been done, people can talk, engage and work together to their hearts’ content.

      • Maghlawatan
        Maghlawatan
        January 16, 2017, 12:39 am

        Catalan
        Maybe the occupation was a card in October 1967. But Israel built its education system around it. So the occupation is forever. Israel took that risk on its balance sheet. Israel runs smoch alai logic. Cut corners, trust me, I know what I am doing. Together with the Jewish notion of being better than the goys and if you disagree you are a Jew hating antisemite it is a recipe for a catastrophe. We know it will collapse but the timing is uncertain.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        January 16, 2017, 12:04 pm

        Shorter “catalan” : ‘Do what Israel says, or they will start chucking atom bombs around!’

        Don’t be silly, “catalan”. Jews wouldn’t do that.

      • Philemon
        Philemon
        January 16, 2017, 8:52 pm

        Mooser, don’t be silly. Israel has no atom bombs to chuck around.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        January 16, 2017, 9:02 pm

        “Mooser, don’t be silly. Israel has no atom bombs to chuck around.”

        I wouldn’t know. “catalan” seems sure Israel has them.

    • rosross
      rosross
      January 16, 2017, 11:22 pm

      If you factor in per capita, Israel does not have an unusual percentage of achievers but I can understand why the belief is pushed.

      Also, many of those who achieve in Israel are immigrants, or colonists, depending on your point of view, and were born and educated elsewhere. True Israeli achievement will come when the culture, society and education system is producing such achievers and given the parlous state of education compared to other nations, that may not happen.

      http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.532057

      US academic institutions can buy the best talent and in some respects that it good for those so purchased, and no doubt for achievements in general, but the successes are not American per se:

      And while the US may appear ahead in such terms, the sad reality is that on average, Americans have the poorest quality of life in the developed world, lacking many basic rights which others take for granted. But, no-one is perfect.

      The Asians appear to lead when it comes to the smarts, with Singapore the smartest country in the world, followed by Hong Kong, South Korea, Taiwan, Japan, Finland, Estonia, Switzerland, Netherlands and Canada rounding out the top 10.

      http://www.businessinsider.com.au/the-10-smartest-countries-based-on-math-and-science-2015-5

      And the top Seven in science:

      US, UK, Russia, Brazil, India, China, Japan, and with 2.5 billion in India, China and Japan, they seem to be the leaders.

      http://www.sciencefocus.com/feature/tech/top-7-science-superpowers

  20. Blake
    Blake
    January 15, 2017, 10:57 am

    “Greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance its the illusion of knowledge” – Stephen Hawking

  21. sawah
    sawah
    January 15, 2017, 11:54 am

    So, here is one list claiming the 20 most Influential scientists alive today. 2 maybe 3 are Jews
    None from Israel.
    http://superscholar.org/features/20-most-influential-scientists-alive-today/

    • wondering jew
      wondering jew
      January 15, 2017, 2:26 pm

      Jewish excellence in America in science and mathematics has decreased markedly as the generations have gotten further away from the immigrant experience.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        January 15, 2017, 3:28 pm

        “Jewish excellence in America in science and mathematics has decreased markedly…”

        …since the “Jewish Day Schools” were opened. And “Yonah”, why would any Jew study math or science when there is so much Torah to learn? And so much Talmud to learn?

        And gee, haven’t our Jewish math and science scores gone down about as much as anybody else’s in the US?

      • amigo
        amigo
        January 15, 2017, 4:06 pm

        Irish excellence in America in road construction and house cleaning has decreased markedly as the generations have gotten further away from the immigrant experience.They moved up the social scale by becoming Policeman and firefighters.

        African American excellence in America in cotton picking has decreased markedly as the generations have moved away from the “immigrant ” experience .They have moved to minimum wage jobs , ie flipping hamburgers and detailing cars .

        What have Jews moved to, to get away from their horrible immigrant experience.

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        January 15, 2017, 6:33 pm

        As the generations have got further away from European education.

      • rosross
        rosross
        January 16, 2017, 7:08 pm

        And now it is the Asians who are the brilliant performers in American schools, proving that whatever the impetus to achieve might be, it does not come from religion.

        And since many countries with minimal Jewish citizens perform brilliantly, it is pretty clear that being a follower of Judaism is not a requirement for achievement.

        When you look at Nobel Prizes, not actually a good indicator of anything but winning a Nobel Prize, Israel, with all that Jewish brilliance when compared per capita, comes in 12th, outperformed by many with few if any followers of Judaism.

        But, as a young immigrant nation, Israel’s performance has been boosted by well educated Anglo/European colonists, and given the parlous state of Israeli education, as they die off, they are unlikely to be replaced by home-grown achievers.

        The United States does well but it is also an immigrant nation and it purchases clever minds from around the world so one could not claim there is a particular American cleverness.

        Apart from which, it is all pretty irrelevant in the scheme of life in terms of quality of life, with Switzerland, Sweden, Denmark, Norway – being exceptions in that they are high Nobel achievers and also offer a very high quality of life to their citizens in ways the US does not.

        No doubt there are different kinds of cleverness and Nobel cleverness is just one form, or faction.

  22. Citizen
    Citizen
    January 15, 2017, 11:54 am

    Speaking of glory, Bernie Madoff bought up all the Swiss Miss chocolate his comfy prison management had to offer, and reaped great profit selling it to the inmates, who idolize him. Is there a lesson here for us? Bernie says all the inmates love him. I have not been able to discover exactly who sold the Swiss Miss to Bernie, but if it was the prison management or staff, isn’t that a problem? Just wondering.

    • Citizen
      Citizen
      January 15, 2017, 12:14 pm

      If U have the money, U R way beyond the masses: Bernie Madoff bought up prison commissary stock of Swiss Miss, then sold for high profit: http://on.mktw.net/2jcG5zL Capitalism at its best!

    • Boo
      Boo
      January 16, 2017, 2:57 pm

      Swiss Miss? Two-bit ramen packages (“soups”) are the customary prison currency. But I guess that’d be too hard on poor Bernie’s cholesterol.

  23. amigo
    amigo
    January 15, 2017, 12:05 pm

    Just watched Marwan Bishara on AJ.

    He reminds the audience that when France first floated this peace conference idea , they promised that in the event of it,s failure , France would support a un resolution recognising a Palestinian State.Not going to happen.

    Bishara also stated that the only reason Kerry went to Paris was to ensure the 70 countries present did not go to the UNSC.

    Move along , nothing happening here.Let,s visit the Louvre.There is more humanity there.

  24. traintosiberia
    traintosiberia
    January 15, 2017, 12:50 pm

    “had the misfortune of having three of his daughters killed by Israel but was going to speak about peace– because there was no Jewish voice to “balance” his presentation on stage.”

    1 I have always wondered why not this guy but Malaial was awarded Peace Prize.

    2 The accusation of balance goes beyond this narrow doorstep of the cultural institute . Routinely callers to Radio TV even NPR and CSPAN are cut off or screened to prevent any anti establishment narrative . The narratives that have become fact reality and the historical truth thanks to the censorship imposed by the NeoCons . Even a mild effort to place Palestinian along the universal human scale gets berated,disciplined,and quashed . One wonders what would happen if Hamas’s leaders are asked to balance the opinion of Israeli leaders . That is what we should call balancing . But to happen that , American atmosphere of illegal neocon domination has to change . To make it possible ,American first have to wake up to the fact that the demonization of Hama’s leader or Syrian or Iranian or Iraqi as Hitler Nazi as PolPot as Amalek have to be quashed, have to wake up the fact that any reference to ME countries as American enemy have to be challenged at the very level the charges are brought and also stop accepting Israeli version of history as akin to Bible or Constitution. Otherwise the suffering that America have brought upon itself economically socially and world opinion will not lessen .War whether by drone or by boot leave same imprint

    3 For a real balance – we dont need a Palestinian peace activist because the counterparts in the TV Newspapers and Town hall meetings are not seeking peace but using the peace to advance war – occupation and exploitation in ME and draining more military hardware and money out of America to Israel . To balance the neocons who populate JINSA and related organization of same genre , one needs to bring Al Quida spokesman to challenge the Zionist spokesman because between the two lies no difference , not some “Muslim Gandhi” as some cadaver looking neocons have sought before only to use the invisibility of “muslim Ghandhi” as one more evidence of Islamic inherent weakness and failure of the Muslim society

  25. catalan
    catalan
    January 15, 2017, 3:26 pm

    Sawah,
    My goal is not to get into a who is the greatest competition. Please note that I was speaking specifically of math and theoretical physics. With all due respect, Jane Goodall and Dawkins have an entirely different set of skills. Moreover, influential is a misleading word. For example, Neil de grass Tyson and Stephen hawking are influential because of spreading to the public important ideas. They are not necessarily held in such high regard in the scientific community. Thus, few have heard of John Milnor and Shlomo Sternberg because their contributions are completely incomprehensible for the vast majority. The Israeli Yuval Ne’eman is one of the greatest living minds. Also note Erdos, the most versatile mathematician of recent years is not on your list.

    • MegaHerzl
      MegaHerzl
      January 15, 2017, 5:18 pm

      yuval ne’eman isn’t living. died in 2006. also not that bright as he allowed his math skills to be used for the nuclear program of a rogue state. I guess that puts him close to einstein though the latter at least expressed regret for his role in vaporizing people.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        January 16, 2017, 11:58 am

        “MagaHerzl”? Big deal. My new computer runs at 16 GigaHerzls.

      • Boo
        Boo
        January 16, 2017, 3:00 pm

        Yeah, but his has more racial memory than yours.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        January 16, 2017, 3:14 pm

        “Yeah, but his has more racial memory than yours.”

        I think “MegaHerzl” knows the score.

      • rosross
        rosross
        January 16, 2017, 6:21 pm

        And Einstein was very clever on many counts and not so clever on others. He couldn’t take to Quantum Mechanics. Was he as clever as claimed or was he deemed to be clever?

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        January 16, 2017, 8:56 pm

        “Was he as clever as claimed or was he deemed to be clever?”

        Einstein was outstanding in his field equations!

        “He couldn’t take to Quantum Mechanics.”

        So? A lot of people didn’t.

      • rosross
        rosross
        January 17, 2017, 1:21 am

        @ Mooser,

        my point was that Einstein had skills and excelled in some areas, just like anyone else, but he had his limits and Quantum Mechanics was one of his limits, which is surprising really, given how advanced his intelligence was meant to be. Ergo, was he so intelligent or was he deemed to be?

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        January 17, 2017, 12:16 pm

        If I remember right, Einstein was more than willing to admit he was a political naif.
        His fame for physics brought a popular conception that he was an expert in everything, which he freely admitted he wasn’t, especially concerning politics.

        And he never got that damned Quantum to run right, but neither could anybody else.
        They don’t make Quantums any more, but almost everybody has relatives.

  26. MegaHerzl
    MegaHerzl
    January 15, 2017, 5:31 pm

    now that we’ve established your mother was a chauvinist…

    those three (marx, einstein and freud) were also german/austrian. not particularly religious, either. freud has been discredited for the most part (maybe it was all the coke) and marx wrote of the evil of capitalism while living off the largesse of engel’s rich-ish family. einstein was brilliant, though…just not brilliant enough to know his findings would be used to kill japanese civilians. he was prescient enough to reject any part in israel’s government, at least.

    so if we – as you have – ignore geographic culture entirely as well as the time period in which all these “smarter than the goy” folks did their work we’re left with a bunch of guys (it’s always males getting mentioned I’ve noticed) who are good at math. bravo. scientists are basically accident investigators – they don’t really invent anything, they just find what’s already there and quantify it – but it is a specialized skill to be sure. one that seems easily grasped by the chinese, indians and quite a few rich, young saudi students as well. maybe a few of them can “discover” some stuff and take credit for an entire civilization (of course they’d have to ignore art and philosophy and focus on “look how many nobels we have” but the precedent has been clearly set at least).

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      January 16, 2017, 12:01 pm

      Doesn’t matter if we are disappearing by assimilation and intermarriage. See, there is one skill we seem to have trouble grasping.
      And we are doing nothing about it.

      • Maghlawatan
        Maghlawatan
        January 16, 2017, 2:50 pm

        The Parsi religion has the same intermarriage threat but it doesn’t have a fascist wing in the Levant

      • rosross
        rosross
        January 16, 2017, 6:20 pm

        Judaism does not need to disappear as long as people continue to practise the religion. As has happened throughout history, Hindus can marry Moslems and continue with their religions; Jews can marry Muslims or Christians and continue with their religion, etc.

        Races can be diluted through intermarriage but religions cannot. And in the modern democratic world, assimilation does not dilute religion either, it just makes them all equal.

        Apart from which, for every religion and Judaism is no different, the first member of the religion was a convert.

    • rosross
      rosross
      January 16, 2017, 6:18 pm

      Sifting through the Nobel Prizes, it would be interesting to ascertain how many are really Jewish – as in practising the religion with both parents also followers of Judaism, otherwise, how does one know where the cleverness comes from?

      It is,however, a belief which would be condemned as pure bigotry in any other group, religious, racial, cultural.

      • Maghlawatan
        Maghlawatan
        January 18, 2017, 5:12 am

        Nobel prizes are limited as a sign of absolute intelligence. The vast majority are won by people linked to US and UK universities. Very few people from other parts of the world. Nobel economics prizes over the last 40 years have been won by neoliberals and the system is now collapsing.

  27. JWalters
    JWalters
    January 15, 2017, 7:16 pm

    It seems to me calling David Makovsky, Peter Rubenstein, et.al. “stupid” is too kind. They appear somewhat more intelligent and informed than that. More likely, their “lies, mischaracterizations and insults of students who support Palestinians” stems from their being lying, thieving, dregs of humanity. And well-paid.

  28. JLewisDickerson
    JLewisDickerson
    January 15, 2017, 7:33 pm

    RE: “The highlight of the evening was Goldberg, who has lately been appointed editor of the Atlantic because he is in the estimation of the Atlantic publisher the best journalist of his generation, asserting that the ballbearings lobby has as much power in Washington as the Israel lobby.” ~ Weiss

    MY COMMENT: The National Association of Manufacturers (NAM) was founded in 1895, and was quite powerful in the 1930s (fighting against FDR’s New Deal) and 1940s (fighting for Taft-Hartly); but as the financialization of the U.S. economy took off, its influence became less and less. It’s power today pales in comparison to Wall Street.

    ■ National Association of Manufacturers – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Association_of_Manufacturers

  29. Atlantaiconoclast
    Atlantaiconoclast
    January 15, 2017, 8:34 pm

    The problem is not the acknowledgement of a higher average Ashkenazi Jew IQ, but the pervasive belief among many that Jewish genius justifies Israel’s dispossession of the Palestinians. It doesn’t and never will.

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      January 16, 2017, 1:13 pm

      “The problem is not the acknowledgement of a higher average Ashkenazi Jew IQ “

      Excuse me? “higher average”? No, a 15 point higher IQ difference is not a “higher average”. It’s in a class by itself, outstanding in its field!

    • rosross
      rosross
      January 17, 2017, 1:25 am

      No, it doesn’t justify the actions of Israel even if it were true, which it probably isn’t given how flawed IQ tests are anyway and given how much propaganda the Zionist/Israeli/Jewish industry spews out.

      The Ashkenazis appear to have taken the concept of Jewish superiority to heart and consider themselves the creme de la creme of Jews as well as the rest of humanity. Such attitudes create division and racism in Israel today.

      There is no evidence for Jewish genius and in fact, Islamic genius has appeared in our history in ways Judaic has not, as has Hindu and Christian.

      Except of course, none of the genius has anything to do with religion but with the cultures and the circumstances of the times – it was ever thus.

  30. JLewisDickerson
    JLewisDickerson
    January 15, 2017, 8:49 pm

    RE: “The Jewish establishment has determined that these men (Stephen Walt and John Mearsheimer) are wicked so they cannot be heard. This is tragic.” ~ Weiss

    MY COMMENT: Might this partly be a consequence of “hasbara culture”?

    Peter O’Toole as Jack Gurney, 14th Earl of Gurney:

    The Ruling Class – Dem Bones

    The Ruling Class (from the “nut house” to The House of Lords)

    ENTIRE FILM:
    The Ruling Class (1972) [VIDEO, 2:34:13] –
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dgosa7wkfY

  31. oneangrycomic
    oneangrycomic
    January 16, 2017, 9:15 am

    An American president is being banned from an American country club by Zionists because he put American interests first and joined the rest of the civilized world in condemning Israel’s Illegal Squatter settlements. The more Zionism is exposed as a racist, terrorist organization, the better!

    Personally, I’d substitute “desperate” or “arrogant” for the word “stupid”. When smart people who are evil are exposed/cornered, they become desperate; they say and do things that make them appear to be stupid. Their past successes and arrogance prevent them from seeing that their insane actions and Hasbara lies are causing their own inevitable demise.

    A defeated enemy with a high IQ is as ineffective as a stupid enemy. Maybe we could create a “Mensa Members Only” prison wing for Zionists after they’re locked up for hate crimes and espionage? I understand Pollard’s cell is available! That would be a great, symbolic home for these other traitors!

    • rosross
      rosross
      January 16, 2017, 6:07 pm

      Arrogance, ignorance and denial are a dangerous combination. Israel has created divided loyalties in some Jews, particularly in the US, and that is not a sensible position.

      It is an easy slip into what those who wish to make mileage of it, could call treason.

  32. Boo
    Boo
    January 16, 2017, 3:06 pm

    The fact about this country club tsimmis is that it’s a tempest in a teapot. Obama hasn’t requested membership; I’d be astonished if the thought had even crossed his mind.

    As a past POTUS he’ll be able to choose from any US military course in the world and play for free any time he likes (there are some good ones here in the DC area). I also doubt he’d have the slightest difficulty getting membership in, say, Burning Tree — though he’d probably decline that one because it doesn’t allow women to join.

    The Woodmont members are only making such a shanda fur de goyim.

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      January 16, 2017, 3:11 pm

      “The fact about this country club tsimmis is that it’s a tempest in a teapot. Obama hasn’t requested membership; I’d be astonished if the thought had even crossed his mind.”

      If that is the case, it becomes a tempest in a teaspoon.

  33. rosross
    rosross
    January 16, 2017, 5:53 pm

    Yes, it is pure religious racism and elitism for some Jews to hold to this fantasy of superiority. Particularly since Marx as an atheist was not Jewish and called for the downfall of religions, and Einstein was non-practising in the main, and Freud, while he found religion later in life, was also an atheist and not Jewish, or any kind of religious for most of his life.

    Given the horrors he unleashed, Marx was hardly an admirable individual anyway.

    If one were to apply a Christian or Moslem connection to noted people, the brilliance would outweigh what is often called Jewish achievement. But no doubt this belief in superiority, which has become a human rights abuse in Palestine, forms part of the religious tradition. One best done away with in a more enlightened age.

    Israel stands as a demonstration that followers of Judaism are as stupid as anyone else and always were.

  34. Talkback
    Talkback
    January 17, 2017, 10:29 am

    Imagine that every time when an intelligent white Nonjew pops up, highly stupid white Nonjewish supremacists with inferiority complex need to point out that the intelligent being is a white Nonjew and is intelligent, because of being white and Nonjewish and claim that this proves that white Nonjews as such are intelligent which of course includes these highly stupid white supremacists.

    It’s just self proven stupidity.

  35. wondering jew
    wondering jew
    January 20, 2017, 12:44 pm

    Einstein on what is a jew:

    What is a snail? A snail is an animal inhabiting a snail shell.
    What is a jew? A jew is a person professing the Jewish faith.
    It is known that a snail can shed its shell without thereby ceasing to be a snail.
    The jew who abandons his faith is in a similar position. He remains a Jew.
    End quote.
    I found this in the einstein and zionism book.
    It is arguable that Einstein’s impression is based upon two features: the society of his birth and the recent ness of abandonment of faith. Einstein’s society went nuts in the immediate aftermath of world War one, crazy with jew hatred. Not all of society, but vast sectors of society. Largely quiescent in Germany in the 20’s, when the depression came it was bye bye germany. The abandonment of faith was recent in Einstein’s case, so the echoes of faith, ensured the snail was a snail. But faded echoes of the faith are quite often not enough to make the snail aware of his snail-ness, it is not a biological category, (in most cases) but a psychological/sociological category, and it can be shed sometimes, echoing the abandonment of faith.

    • eljay
      eljay
      January 20, 2017, 1:30 pm

      || yonah fredman: Einstein on what is a jew:

      What is a snail? A snail is an animal inhabiting a snail shell.
      What is a jew? A jew is a person professing the Jewish faith.
      It is known that a snail can shed its shell without thereby ceasing to be a snail.
      The jew who abandons his faith is in a similar position. He remains a Jew.
      End quote. … ||

      The Jew is not in the same position as the snail. The Jew can choose to be/come Jewish and to cease being Jewish. The snail does not have a choice.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        January 20, 2017, 2:01 pm

        “What is a snail? A snail is an animal inhabiting a snail shell.”

        Oh fer gawd’s sake, “Yonah” did Einstein ever go to the beach? A hermit crab lives in the shell of a snail*, and finds a new shell as it grows.
        If you dig a snail out of its shell, all you’ve got is escargo. Want some?

        (*. “Most of the approximately 1100 species possess an asymmetrical abdomen that is concealed in a scavenged gastropod shell carried around by the hermit crab”. Wikipedia)

        It is known that a snail can shed its shell without thereby ceasing to be a snail.” Einstein?

        “Q: Can snails outgrow or leave their shells?
        A: No. The shell is present from the snail’s early development, is attached to the snail, and grows along with the snail in a spiral shape. A snail can’t crawl out of its shell any easier than you can walk away from your fingernails!”

    • RoHa
      RoHa
      January 21, 2017, 1:36 am

      A snail can’t shed its shell. If it is removed from its shell, it dies. It is then an ex-snail.

      Einstein might have been good at maths, but he was no biologist.

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