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The President of the United States on Wednesday confirmed that countries voting in favor of a United Nations draft resolution condemning the U.S.’s recognition of Jerusalem as the capital of Israel could lose U.S. aid money.

“They take hundreds of millions of dollars and even billions of dollars, and then they vote against us. Well, we’re watching those votes. Let them vote against us. We’ll save a lot. We don’t care,” Reuters quoted Trump as saying during a White House press conference.

The statement follows a letter sent to UN members by U.S. ambassador to the UN, Nikki Haley, in which she warned other ambassadors that she would “report back on those countries who voted against us.”

The vote will take place during an emergency session on Thursday. While the resolution is expected to easily pass with a majority of the 193-member votes, even if every member outside of the U.S. and Israel voted to approve the draft resolution, the decision would be non-binding.

On Twitter, Haley continued the threats, tweeting out:

“At the UN we’re always asked to do more & give more. So, when we make a decision, at the will of the American ppl, abt where to locate OUR embassy, we don’t expect those we’ve helped to target us. On Thurs there’ll be a vote criticizing our choice. The US will be taking names.”

According to Reuters, Trump said he “likes” Haley’s message.

“I like the message that Nikki sent yesterday at the United Nations, for all those nations that take our money and then they vote against us at the Security Council, or they vote against us potentially at the assembly,” Trump said.

PLO Executive Committee Member Hanan Ashrawi hit back at Trump in a statement, warning that “there are things that are not for sale or subject to blackmail.”

“President Trump should know that there are things that are not for sale or subject to blackmail, particularly issues of principle, legality and morality. Extortion is the most effective way for the U.S. to isolate itself even further and to weaken its influence and standing globally,” Ashrawi wrote.

“We will not be deterred or intimidated,” she added. “The overwhelming majority of the UN General Assembly members will honor their own legal and political obligations on Palestine.”

The vote on the draft resolution in the General Assembly, expected to take place on Thursday, follows a vote in the Security Council that took place on Monday, where the resolution was vetoed by the U.S. — the first Security Council veto the U.S. had made in six years. The last instance was in 2011 when  the Obama administration struck down a resolution that would have condemned Israeli settlement construction.

The other 14 members of the Security Council voted to approve the Egyptian-drafted resolution.

The resolution did not mention the United States by name, but targeted the Trump administration’s Dec. 6 decision to declare Jerusalem the capital of Israel, by affirming “that any decisions and actions which purport to have altered the character, status or demographic composition of the Holy City of Jerusalem have no legal effect, are null and void and must be rescinded in compliance with relevant resolutions of the Security Council.”

The U.S. decision to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, announced on Dec. 6, signaled a shift in long standing foreign policy, both for the U.S. and the international community.

Since the creation of Israel, no country outside of Israel has accepted Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, since the city’s sovereignty is an essential issue between the two powers and the future of the peace process, as both Israel and Palestine imagine Jerusalem working as their state capital after any potential negotiations are reached in the future.

Sheren Khalel
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  1. Marnie
    Marnie
    December 20, 2017, 11:57 pm

    Nothing smells like MAGA more than strong-arming your u.n. compatriots with threats and extortion, climate change and science denial, yet full throttle support of the rogue litterbox of the middle east (and who knows what else is heading to a theater near us all courtesy of the united states with tRUMP as the newest Don).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Bernard_(diplomat)
    “In 2001, Daniel Bernard came to public attention when, as French Ambassador to the United Kingdom, he was quoted as saying: “All the current troubles in the world are because of that shitty little country Israel.” The diplomat added, “Why should the world be in danger of World War III because of those people?”

    The remark was reported to have taken place during a conversation with Conrad Black of the Daily Telegraph at a private dinner party Black was hosting. Bernard’s comment was then later repeated in an article written by Black’s wife, Barbara Amiel, in the Daily Telegraph.

    Initially, Bernard stated that he could not remember making it, but later insisted that what he said had been thoroughly distorted. Bernard’s press secretary stated, “He does not deny the remarks, he just says first of all what he said was distorted.” He also stated that he was outraged that a private discussion was reported by the media and clearly stated that he would not apologise.

    Bernard’s spokesman, Yves Charpentier, stated that Bernard felt there was no need for him to apologize. He stated that “In the course of the discussion the ambassador referred to ‘little Israel’ in the sense that it is geographically small, but that nevertheless the scale of the consequences is huge and the repercussions around the world are tremendous.”

    • Theo
      Theo
      December 21, 2017, 1:07 pm

      We have the rights not to believe anything, even the existence of God, however if you make a comment denying the Holocaust, then in Europe they will put you in jail!
      Several major german politicians ruined their career by criticising the doings of Israel. If we go back 500 years, now I know what could happen to you if you ever criticised the pope or the Vatican. Shame on our governments for letting this to come this far.

      • echinococcus
        echinococcus
        December 21, 2017, 3:06 pm

        Felicitous choice of words, Theo. You hit it exactly at the right spot.

      • Rob Roy
        Rob Roy
        December 21, 2017, 3:51 pm

        Theo,
        Denying the Holocaust and criticizing Israel are two different things. I would never deny the Holocaust (the Israelis insist that there is no other Holocaust than theirs, even though the Armenian Holocaust was actually worse, should one want to compare disasters) but I criticize Israel every day. No, I’m not anti-Semantic which is the standard accusation used toward people who criticize Israel. I’ve seen in person the atrocities perpetuated on the Palestinians by the IDF, the illegal settlers, the Israeli court system, their politicians, and the US government. The entire world should ostracize Israel and the US until they advocate for freedom for the Palestinians who live under an occupation worse than was in South Africa.

      • jon s
        jon s
        December 21, 2017, 3:51 pm

        Since Holocaust denial is a form of Anti-Semitism, criminalizing it is seen as a means of combating Anti-Semitism.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        December 21, 2017, 6:19 pm

        “No, I’m not anti-Semantic which is the standard accusation used toward people who criticize Israel.”

        One of them, anyway.

      • Talkback
        Talkback
        December 22, 2017, 4:33 am

        @Rob Roy

        What? Anti-Semantic? Most of the Zionist commenters are anti-semantic. What they say makes no sense at all.

      • Theo
        Theo
        December 22, 2017, 12:22 pm

        To make it clear, anyone who denies the Holocaust is an idiot, it happened, it was terrible and inhuman. However under our civil rights one should have the right not to believe it and should not be prosecuted for it. Just call him or her stupid!!! However certain european states do just that, criminalising this opinion.

        jon s

        Not only the jews, but the arabs and several other minor groups belong to the semitic peoples, so don´t try to corner that market, like the zionist so gladly do! Jews are a very small minority in that group. Besides, good 30% of soviet so called “jews” are not even jewish, they just wanted a better life and Israel needed all heads she can get! Are they also semitic?

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        December 22, 2017, 1:34 pm

        “Are they also semitic?”

        It’s very hard to know, exactly, who the Semites are.

      • Maghlawatan
        Maghlawatan
        December 22, 2017, 3:19 pm

        Semites have uncles. But the Auntie Semites are more well known.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        December 22, 2017, 5:49 pm

        ” But the Auntie Semites are more well known.”

        The Hamites and Japhethites, on the other hand, get very little attention, as such.

    • NorthCascadian
      NorthCascadian
      December 21, 2017, 4:53 pm

      “rogue litterbox of the middle east” Extra points for creating my new favorite way to refer to that rogue litterbox of the middle east, that needs to be cleaned up by the rest of the world. I would invite American Jews to step up and clean that litterbox ASAP.

  2. Marnie
    Marnie
    December 21, 2017, 12:03 am

    I hope these 14 member nations have the spine to stand with their convictions, regardless of the threats from the thug in charge and his prized bitch pit bull.

    • Cazador
      Cazador
      December 21, 2017, 9:12 am

      Marnie,

      «prized bitch pit bull»…

      Touché, although I disagree with the naming of the pit bull, as they’re not ferocious enough as a whole animal breed. I’m trying to find an animal specie that would really fit the temper of that ex-waitress (from what I heard…), but I can’t find one mean enough. Even the sharks are more HUMANE.

      I think there’s a better chance of finding a real comparable evil among the human specie.

      TO Anyone reading this comment, please submit your suggestions!

      • Bumblebye
        Bumblebye
        December 21, 2017, 10:32 am

        How about Tasmanian Devils? Crazy behavior and they seem to suffer from erupting tumors. Not very many of them, either. Hope I didn’t malign them too much!

      • Marnie
        Marnie
        December 21, 2017, 12:04 pm

        My sincerest apologies to the animal kingdom – she’s just another evil troll at the service of her master – the zionist state of course.

  3. Citizen
    Citizen
    December 21, 2017, 3:58 am

    Will be interesting to see which countries, if any, vote against today’s UN general assembly resolution, and which abstain. The ones most dependent on US aid? That’s always been the case at the UN when the topic is Israel.

  4. HarryLaw
    HarryLaw
    December 21, 2017, 5:28 am

    Just shows how stupid Trump and Haley are, even those countries who might think about backing the US in the UNGA vote, must be thinking twice, for instance, how other countries would think of them as craven satraps with absolutely no self respect [rather like Congress to AIPAC].
    How funny it would be if the US stopped aid to all those countries, leaving Israel as the only recipient of such aid.

  5. Talkback
    Talkback
    December 21, 2017, 6:21 am

    Its 1947 all over again: Same happened when the US rigged partition plan voting.

    “Reports of pressure for the Plan
    Liberia (Vote: For): Liberia’s Ambassador to the United States complained that the US delegation threatened aid cuts to several countries.[78]
    Philippines (Vote: For): In the days before the vote, the Philippines’ representative General Carlos P. Romulo stated “We hold that the issue is primarily moral. The issue is whether the United Nations should accept responsibility for the enforcement of a policy which is clearly repugnant to the valid nationalist aspirations of the people of Palestine. The Philippines Government holds that the United Nations ought not to accept such responsibility”. After a phone call from Washington, the representative was recalled and the Philippines’ vote changed.[72]
    Haiti (Vote: For): The promise of a five million dollar loan may or may not have secured Haiti’s vote for partition.
    France (Vote: For): Shortly before the vote, France’s delegate to the United Nations was visited by Bernard Baruch, a long-term Jewish supporter of the Democratic Party who, during the recent world war, had been an economic adviser to President Roosevelt, and had latterly been appointed by President Truman as the United States’ ambassador to the newly created UN Atomic Energy Commission. He was, privately, a supporter of the Irgun and its front organization, the American League for a Free Palestine. Baruch implied that a French failure to support the resolution might cause planned American aid to France, which was badly needed for reconstruction, French currency reserves being exhausted and its balance of payments heavily in deficit, not to materialise. Previously, in order to avoid antagonising its Arab colonies, France had not publicly supported the resolution. After considering the danger of American aid being withheld, France finally voted in favour of it. So, too, did France’s neighbours, Belgium, Luxembourg and the Netherlands.”
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine#Reports_of_pressure_for_and_against_the_Plan

    The US also delayed voting until the necessary 2/3 majority was “ensured”.

    So much for the “legitimacy” of Israel.

    • Talkback
      Talkback
      December 21, 2017, 6:40 am

      See also:
      Report by the Policy Planning Staff on Position of the United States With Respect to Palestine top secret
      [ Washington ,] January 19, 1948.

      PPS/19

      The General Assembly, in adopting the recommendation for partition, left unanswered certain questions regarding the legality of the plan as well as the means for its implementation. Nor did the General Assembly, in the circumstances prevailing at the time, have an opportunity to explore the last minute announcement by the Arab States on November 29 of their willingness to accept the principle of a Federal State in Palestine6 which they had previously opposed. There was no indication of any real effort by the UN toward conciliation between the Jews and the Arabs.

      … Without U.S. leadership and the pressures which developed during UN consideration of the question, the necessary two-thirds majority in the General Assembly could not have been obtained …”
      https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1948v05p2/d10

      • Talkback
        Talkback
        December 21, 2017, 6:52 am

        And also:
        “On November 25, 1947, the ad hoc committee approved the partition recommendation of subcommittee I, by a vote of 25 to 13, with 17 abstentions. While sufficient to carry the plan in the subcommittee, this margin was short of the two-thirds majority that would be required for passage in the General Assembly.

        By this time the United States had emerged as the most aggressive proponent of partition. Most European countries, including the Soviet Union, supported it, but most Third World countries viewed it as an infringement of Arab rights.

        The United States got the General Assembly to delay a vote “to gain time to bring certain Latin American republics into line with its own view”. Officials, “by direct order of the White House,” used “every form of pressure, direct and indirect,” to “make sure that the necessary majority” would be gained, according to former Under Secretary of State Sumner Welles. Members of the U.S. Congress threatened curtailment of economic aid to several Third World countries.

        As a last-minute compromise, and as a major concession, several Arab states proposed a plan for a federated government in Palestine. Similar to the Special Committee’s minority proposal, this plan called for a federation with Jewish and Arab components. Colombia asked the General Assembly to refer the matter back to the ad hot committee for further efforts at producing a solution acceptable
        to both the Arabs and the Jews of Palestine. There was little reason in the fall of 1947 to believe that the delicate political arrangement by the partition plan could find the necessary level of
        cooperation between the Jewish and Arab communities.

        But the General Assembly proceeded to a vote on the partition plan. On November 29 it adopted a draft resolution embodying the partition plan as Resolution 181. The resolution narrowly gained the
        required majority of two-thirds-33 in favor, 13 opposed, and 1o abstaining.

        Included in the countries that switched their votes from November to November 29 to provide the two-thirds majority were Liberia, the Philippines, and Haiti. All heavily dependent on the
        United States financially, they had been lobbied to change their votes.

        Liberia’s ambassador to the United Nations complained that the U.S. delegation threatened aid cuts to several countries. Some delegates charged U.S. officials with “diplomatic intimidation”. Without
        “terrific pressure” from the United States on “governments which cannot afford to risk American reprisals,” said an anonymous editorial writer, the resolution “would never have passed! The fact such pressure had been exerted became public knowledge, to the extent a State Department policy group was concerned that “the prestige of the UN” would suffer because of “the notoriety and resentment attendant upon the activities of U.S. pressure groups, including members
        of Congress, who sought to impose U.S. views as to partition on foreign
        delegations.”” Zionists packed the public gallery during the November 29 meeting to urge adoption of the partition plan.” Several delegates said the resolution “would have been carried in no
        other city than New York.”

        Quigley, Case for Palestinem, p.36-37

      • Maghlawatan
        Maghlawatan
        December 21, 2017, 8:35 am

        Super links . Zionism has always been a court play.

  6. Maghlawatan
    Maghlawatan
    December 21, 2017, 7:12 am

    Trump’s decision goes against countless UN security Council votes. His threats are pure thuggery.

    Imagine if the Reform Jews said something about this. Rick whatshisname.

    • echinococcus
      echinococcus
      December 21, 2017, 9:00 am

      All US actions go “against countless UN security Council votes”. All US “threats are pure thuggery”.”

      Where is your logic?

      • Rob Roy
        Rob Roy
        December 21, 2017, 4:04 pm

        echinococcus,

        It’s not about ‘logic.’ It’s fact.

        The thuggery of the US is consistent. The US/Israel combo is the biggest threat on the planet. Look at the destruction caused by the US since WWII, with no end in sight.

  7. eljay
    eljay
    December 21, 2017, 7:28 am

    … On Twitter, Haley continued the threats, tweeting out:

    “At the UN we’re always asked to do more & give more. So, when we make a decision, at the will of the American ppl, abt where to locate OUR embassy, we don’t expect those we’ve helped to target us. … “

    The proposal to move the embassy to Occupied Jerusalem is “the will of the American people”? When did Americans vote on this specific proposal?

    Or is Haley saying that because Trump was elected president anything he does represents “the will of the American people”?

    If Trump decides to slaughter millions of civilians by nuking North Korea, will that also be “the will of the American people”?

    Who will hold the American people accountable – and how will they be held accountable – for (war) crimes that are committed by the Trump administration at “the will of the American people”?

    • John O
      John O
      December 21, 2017, 8:24 am

      “In a democracy, the citizens have individual rights, but the citizens in their entirety have a political impact only from a quantitative point of view — one follows the decisions of the majority. For Ur-Fascism, however, individuals as individuals have no rights, and the People is conceived as a quality, a monolithic entity expressing the Common Will. Since no large quantity of human beings can have a common will, the Leader pretends to be their interpreter. Having lost their power of delegation, citizens do not act; they are only called on to play the role of the People. Thus the People is only a theatrical fiction. There is in our future a TV or Internet populism, in which the emotional response of a selected group of citizens can be presented and accepted as the Voice of the People.”

      Umberto Eco, “Eternal Fascism”, New York Review of Books, Nov-Dec 1995.

    • Talkback
      Talkback
      December 21, 2017, 11:34 am

      What do you expect? Haley only talks about what US citizens want. And comical Danny talks only about what Jews allegedly want.

      None of these criminals can base their ludicrous claims and views on international law.

    • Talkback
      Talkback
      December 23, 2017, 3:35 am

      Haley is lying:
      “Our poll also shows that 63 percent of all Americans oppose moving the U.S. embassy in Israel to Jerusalem, including 44 percent of Republicans.”
      https://www.brookings.edu/blog/markaz/2017/12/05/why-is-trump-about-to-declare-jerusalem-the-capital-of-israel/

  8. Boomer
    Boomer
    December 21, 2017, 7:51 am

    re ““They take hundreds of millions of dollars and even billions of dollars, and then they vote against us. Well, we’re watching those votes. Let them vote against us. We’ll save a lot. We don’t care,” Reuters quoted Trump as saying during a White House press conference.”

    Because nothing, nothing, is as important as moving our embassy. No interest is served by our aid that compares. (Wait, our aid to Egypt stems from a deal on behalf of Israel, so one wonders . . . oh well, consistency isn’t a problem.)

  9. Maghlawatan
    Maghlawatan
    December 21, 2017, 9:30 am

    This is rich but then everything Netanyahu says is aimed at Yossi and Yossita Israeli who wouldn’t know truth if they met it.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/dec/21/un-vote-on-jerusalem-accusations-of-bullying-trump

    In an indication of the scale of defeat anticipated, Israel’s prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, launched a pre-emptive attack denouncing the UN as a “house of lies” on Thursday morning.

  10. John O
    John O
    December 21, 2017, 9:31 am

    it will be interesting to see how Trump’s new BFF, Saudi Arabia, votes.

  11. Maghlawatan
    Maghlawatan
    December 21, 2017, 10:07 am

    This is really classy compared to the dog shit of Haley and the combovered king of the Jews.

    Nihad Awad, the national executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, tweeted: “Our government should not use its leadership at the UN to bully/blackmail other nations that stand for religious liberty and justice in Jerusalem. Justice is a core value of Christianity, Judaism and Islam.”

  12. Misterioso
    Misterioso
    December 21, 2017, 10:09 am

    Excellent read:

    http://www.tothepointanalyses.com/

    “Trump, Jerusalem and International Law – An Analysis” (21 December 2017) by Professor Lawrence Davidson.

    EXCERPT:

    “It is not easy to write anything new about President Trump’s 6 December 2017 announcement that he – and supposedly the U.S. as a nation – was recognizing Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. After all, plenty of very smart and attentive people have already commented on this decision. I particularly like those who pointed out that Trump’s move replicated that of Arthur Balfour. As Balfour had assumed in 1917 that he could promise Palestine to the Zionists, so Trump seems to have assumed he could legitimize Jerusalem as Israeli territory. The connection seems to support the philosopher George Santayana’s observation that those who know no history are bound to repeat it.

    “As was the case with Balfour, neither Trump nor the U.S. Congress (whose edict the president has so eagerly carried out) has any legal authority to proceed in this fashion. In the case of Trump and the Congress, what should get in their way is international law – which, when represented in signed treaties, is incorporated into U.S. law. The Geneva Conventions are such a case. Part of these conventions (again, now made U.S. law) makes it illegal to conquer territory and then absorb it by moving your own citizens in while ethnically cleansing the original population. One can also cite the 2002 Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court declaring apartheid policies a crime against humanity. This is not U.S. law but reflects international consensus. Israel is in violation of aspects of the Geneva Conventions and the Rome Statute, as well as a host of United Nations resolutions.”

    • HarryLaw
      HarryLaw
      December 22, 2017, 4:47 am

      Misterioso, good post, unfortunately the US government and their friends [think Saudi Arabia and Israel] are above International law for all time [their veto power] see also http://www.david-morrison.org.uk/iraq/ags-legal-advice.pdf
      Then we have the American Service-Members’ Protection Act (ASPA],
      ASPA authorizes the U.S. president to use “all means necessary and appropriate to bring about the release of any U.S. or allied personnel being detained or imprisoned by, on behalf of, or at the request of the International Criminal Court.” This authorization has led the act to be nicknamed the “Hague Invasion Act”, because the freeing of U.S. citizens by force might be possible only through an invasion of The Hague, Netherlands, the seat of several international criminal courts and of the Dutch government

  13. catalan
    catalan
    December 21, 2017, 10:28 am

    I fell good about these UN resolutions – hopefully they make the Palestinians feel better. They have nothing else but hope and for many years will continue to be occupied. In a sense, this is a good thing, Israel gets to build more settlements, have a decent standard of living, and the Palestinians get a UN vote every year and BDS. So it kind of evens out.

    • Maghlawatan
      Maghlawatan
      December 21, 2017, 11:16 am

      You remind me of institutional investors who stay in junk bonds for the yield. It’s called picking up pennies in front of steamrollers .

      Israel is locked into a path of self destruction.

      There is a very good reason why the Torah is fixated on justice.

      Assuming past is prologue is the essence of Groupthink. Israel does not have a coherent solution for the Palestinian issue. Getting Nikki Haley to act like a thug at the UN does not count.
      It all reminds me of Pulp fiction, starring Judaism as the Gimp.

      • annie
        annie
        December 21, 2017, 1:03 pm

        for many years will continue to be occupied…. this is a good thing

        catalan is a sadist troll who derives pleasure from continually posting his antagonistic diversionary inflammatory fantasies:

        BDS – (if/when it ever brought any sort of pain to Israel, that pain gets transferred to the Palestinians tenfold

        speaking of israel’s “pain”, i highly recommend yossi gurvitz’s How a Palestinian girl from an occupied village emasculated the Israeli army: http://mondoweiss.net/2017/12/occupied-saleh-emasculated/

    • catalan
      catalan
      December 21, 2017, 11:46 am

      “You remind me of institutional investors who stay in junk bonds for the yield. It’s called picking up pennies in front of steamrollers.”
      That’s kind of what natural selection is. Those that get the pennies, survive. The steamroller is coming for all of us. I can only think in terms of possible scenarios. There is no logical scenario that I have ever heard in which the Palestinians keep the cake, and the Israelis are gone (to the sea, to America, to Poland, the moon, etc). The worst scenario for Israel – a major war which it loses, implies the end of Palestinians too (i.e. the war would be one one of total destruction). Same with BDS – (if/when it ever brought any sort of pain to Israel, that pain gets transferred to the Palestinians tenfold). It’s more like the terrorists and the Moscow opera house. Putin took it over but hundreds of the hostages died.

      • oldgeezer
        oldgeezer
        December 21, 2017, 12:40 pm

        @catalan

        You would have made a great Neville Chamberlain.

      • Maghlawatan
        Maghlawatan
        December 21, 2017, 1:38 pm

        The pennies aren’t worth it.

        There are loads of scenarios in which Israel loses.
        One is a Jewish population with no sense of ethics.
        Another is Crusaders 2.0
        A third is environmental collapse
        A fourth is apartheid
        A fifth is pariah status
        A sixth is an Orthodox takeover

    • Kaisa of Finland
      Kaisa of Finland
      December 21, 2017, 1:26 pm

      “catalan is a sadist troll..”

      Exactly my thoughts..

      Hey Cat, do you have wet dreams of other peoples sufferings?? I hope you get some pleasure out of it anyway.. And thanks for reminding me, why I should never give up using my time for spreading the truth about Israel everywhere I go.

      Being around about the same age, we might both live about 40 years from now, so we’ll see then what happened, if you’ll die happy cause the Palestinians were suffocated and the Zionists may live in their Apartheid state “forever” or did the Palestinians get their freedom and some kind of justice they deserve. Obviously neither of us will decide for the future, so only time will tell.

    • Talkback
      Talkback
      December 22, 2017, 4:36 am

      @ Catalan

      Glad you like keeping people occupied. Don’t forget to iron your Betar Youth brown shirt.

  14. Ronald Johnson
    Ronald Johnson
    December 21, 2017, 10:34 am

    I think it important to notice that Israel and its Fifth Column in America are taking advantage of the perverse outcome of the 2016 election to advance Israel’s interest, undermining us internationally while we are in a weakened condition at home. Including also a gambit to double down for the Golan Heights.

    The Electorate will awaken one day.

    “As ye sow, so shall ye reap”. It may end with the sacking of Jerusalem, once more.

  15. Talkback
    Talkback
    December 21, 2017, 11:17 am

    Wow. Haley now even threatens the UN with witholding funds.

    “The United States will remember this day in which it was singled out in this assembly,” Haley said. “We will remember it when, once again, we are called up to make the world’s largest contribution” to the UN and when other member nations ask Washington “to pay even more and to use our influence for their benefit.”
    http://us.cnn.com/2017/12/21/politics/haley-un-jerusalem/index.html

    But let’s see how these countries are going vote:
    https://www.haaretz.com/polopoly_fs/1.830395.1513854660!/image/330053159.jpg_gen/derivatives/size_1496xAuto/330053159.jpg

    • eljay
      eljay
      December 21, 2017, 11:39 am

      … “The United States will remember this day in which it was singled out in this assembly … ”

      Yeah, wow, imagine the horror of being the “world’s only (United States of) American state” and getting “singled out” in an assembly.

      It’s way worse than being the world’s only Iraqi / Afghani / Syrian / Yemeni states and getting singled out by the U.S. and/or its allies for devastation and/or regime change.

      Aggressor-victimhood: Another one of America’s and Israel’s “shared common values”.

  16. Talkback
    Talkback
    December 21, 2017, 12:18 pm

    Adopted

    Yes: 128
    No: 9
    Abstention: 35

    What an international clusterf*** for US and Israel. Even US bullying countries and the arrogant idiot Comical Danny calling everyone that isn’t in line a Palestinian “puppet” didn’t help.

  17. James Canning
    James Canning
    December 21, 2017, 1:05 pm

    Donald Trump is an Aipac stooge? Clearly. Bravo to UN members that resist Trump’s stupidity regarding Jerusalem.

  18. Maghlawatan
    Maghlawatan
    December 21, 2017, 1:39 pm

    128 pro Quds
    9 against

    Even Germany sided against Israel.

    • echinococcus
      echinococcus
      December 21, 2017, 3:02 pm

      No. not 9 agin but only 1/2: Guatemala. I’ll give that a half-banana. The rest don’t exist.

  19. Maghlawatan
    Maghlawatan
    December 21, 2017, 1:54 pm

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/dec/21/united-nations-un-vote-donald-trump-jerusalem-israel

    only nine states – including the United States and Israel –voted against the resolution. The other countries which supported Washington were Togo, Micronesia, Nauru, Palau, Marshall Islands, Guatemala, and Honduras.

    • Kaisa of Finland
      Kaisa of Finland
      December 21, 2017, 3:03 pm

      “Togo, Micronesia, Nauru, Palau, Marshall Islands, Guatemala, and Honduras..”

      There’s some powerfull support there!!

    • Talkback
      Talkback
      December 21, 2017, 4:10 pm

      Comical Danny is just the racist equivalent of an antisemite:
      “In his own speech Israel’s UN ambassador, Danny Danon, said UN members who backed the resolution were being manipulated. “You are like puppets pulled by your Palestinian masters,” he told the session.”

      Imagine someone would describe the US as puppet pulled by its Jewish, Zionist or Israeli master.

  20. catalan
    catalan
    December 21, 2017, 2:31 pm

    I don’t enjoy the suffering of people, I believe in kindness. To acknowledge does not mean to enjoy. So acknowledging that a conflict has no obvious solution is no different from saying that some diseases have no obvious solutions. Israel is not unique, there are many similar conflicts, Karabakh, Kashmir, even Bolivia-Chile. The point is not that Israel can’t “lose”. It’s just that “losing “entails” the Palestinians “losing” too. Nukes, air-force, etc.

    • Kaisa of Finland
      Kaisa of Finland
      December 21, 2017, 3:13 pm

      ” there are many similar conflicts..”

      And then there are us, who aginst all of the expectations were able to get our independency, even with a completely overpowered “occupier”..

    • catalan
      catalan
      December 21, 2017, 3:24 pm

      Kaisa,
      Finland, like most European countries, has given up many of its historical territories for peace. Hungary gave up 2/3. Same with Albania. Greece, Turkey, Germany, even France. When and if the Palestinians choose the path of compromise there will be peace. Unfortunately, they have been led to believe by false friends such as yourself that they can get it all. In return, they will have nothing.

      • echinococcus
        echinococcus
        December 21, 2017, 3:52 pm

        Sure, Balkan-“Catalan”. Sure. The path of compromise, so well trodden by your Zionist sewer creatures. They made exactly 0 compromise since their official founding Congress 120 years ago. They don’t bend and they will be broken when the wind is strong enough. Watch it.
        If you need a drawing to understand, ask.

      • John O
        John O
        December 21, 2017, 3:54 pm

        @catalan

        Your argument might carry a bit more weight if you included Israel in the path of compromise.

      • Kaisa of Finland
        Kaisa of Finland
        December 21, 2017, 3:57 pm

        Well, I think the world is ready to see that it is the Zionists who are to compromize now. None of those Palestinians I have met, have talked about “getting it all” unlike the Zionists are doing. And now, the Palestinians want the East Jerusalem, but the Zios the whole town. So who is the one here who is not compromizing?? Palestinians have already lost part of their land and anyone can see, they should not lose a one small piece of it more.

        (We Finns have recovered from our loss of that part of the Karelia. If you ask anyone here, if we had rather kept all of it under the Russian rule or lost part of it and kept our independendency, I would be really surprised if you were to find even one person, who would say, rather to whole land under the occupyer’s rule. Obviously we do not accept it, but we have continued our lives, they way we have wished our future to be built!)

      • Maghlawatan
        Maghlawatan
        December 21, 2017, 3:57 pm

        Catalan.

        Don’t be ridiculous. The Palestinians did everything for peace over the last 20 years. It is not their fault that Israel was taking the piss.
        The settlers won. The border was erased
         The downside belongs to Israel. Be careful what you wish for. 

      • catalan
        catalan
        December 21, 2017, 4:16 pm

        John O,
        The parameters of an agreement acceptable to 55-60 percent of BOTH sides are well publicized and it is useless to repeat them. As you know, politics doesn’t work that way and the remaining 40-45 percent who would oppose this agreement have the ability to prevent it from ever happening. Nothing I do or say would change any minds. It’s just human nature.

      • Maghlawatan
        Maghlawatan
        December 21, 2017, 4:52 pm
      • Talkback
        Talkback
        December 22, 2017, 4:46 am

        Catalan: “When and if the Palestinians choose the path of compromise there will be peace.”

        Yep. And “compromise” means:
        – Israel gets about 80% of Palestine
        – Israel exclusively gets all of Jerusalem
        – Palestinians give up their rights under international law and human rights.

        That’s what Zionist Ubershmocks call “compromise”. Where is their compromise? Not to violate more international law and human rights? To allow Palestine to have a pseudo state that’s controlled by Israel?

        Who are you trying to fool, Catalan? Everybody knows that Zionist want to keep control over all of Palestine. Ben Gurion’s proposal to the UN was to put all of Palestine under Jewish control and only release it into independence AFTER a significant Jewish majority was achieved. When asked if he would force to implement his racist plan he said that he would if the UN would accept his plan. The UN didn’t. So Ben Gurion and his terrorist thugs used terrorism and expulsion to enforce the partition proposal. In late 1948 the Zionist Apartheid Junta in Palestine asked Great Britain if it was ok to also take the rest of Palestine. GB didn’t like it and the Junta was preparing to become a member in the UN. Finally in 1967 the Junta expanded its control all over Palestine.

        And you, like the Zionist Ubershmocks, asks Palestinians to compromise. Either you are deluding others or you are completely delusional. What is it Catalan? You pervert the truth and put it on its head like a typical Zionist.

      • MHughes976
        MHughes976
        December 22, 2017, 4:23 pm

        I would like Israel to state formally what terms of compromise it would like the Palestinians to accept.

      • Talkback
        Talkback
        December 23, 2017, 3:14 am

        MHughes976: “I would like Israel to state formally what terms of compromise it would like the Palestinians to accept.”

        It’s not fixed, it’s more a process:
        1.) Tell Palestinians which international and human rights they have to give up or which violations of international law and human rights and crimes against humanity, land and resource grab they have to accept and call this “compromise”.
        2.) If Palestinians don’t accept, prolong occupation and Apartheid.
        3.) If Palestinians accept, say “Houston, we have a problem” and increase your demands in 1.)

        That’s “peace process” Israeli style.

  21. Ossinev
    Ossinev
    December 21, 2017, 2:40 pm

     “Jerusalem is our capital, always was and always will be. But I do appreciate the fact that a growing number of countries refuse to participate in this theater of the absurd,” the premier charged in a live Facebook video
    read more: https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.830498
    Thus speaketh the Yahoo. Do so wish he would back this up with a formal withdrawal of Zioland from the “absurd theatre” He can perhaps begin to set up a Zioland inspired UN of his own using some of that 4 billion per annum US taxpayers money to fund the likes of Micronesia in their membership bid as well as the rest of those “growing number of countries”. I suspect however he hasn`t got the balls.As for Trump , Haley and Co “threatening ” to reduce funding to non puppet countries so much the better. It starkly illustrates just how subservient the ” greatest democracy in the world”(after Zioland) has become to the Fifth Columnist Zionist lobby in the US.

    And if the mad Donald follows through with his threat to reduce funding to the UN even better. Now he is all balls and no brain so it is a possibility.

    Tick tick

  22. Ossinev
    Ossinev
    December 21, 2017, 3:00 pm

    Right on cue the odious Michael Oren has popped up with a dynamic two birds with one stone solution:
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/deputy-minister-urges-israel-to-withdraw-from-un-evict-it-from-jerusalem/

    So withdrawal from the UN. Eviction of UN staff (who will be delighted with his description of them). Seizing of the building and compound using Mandate or Jordanian Laws no doubt and making it the new US Embassy complete with a floodlit golf driving range for when loony Donald visits.

    All those nutcase Fascist Zios which the Yahoo has to scramble to keep up with. I think Oren is certainly neck and neck with Herr Gruppenfuhrer Bennett.

    • amigo
      amigo
      December 21, 2017, 3:44 pm

      The only question is , how many more UNSCR,s/UNGA,s will it take to get these morons to hop a flight back to whatever planet they came from and leave the UN to people who might treat it as an org that is there for the benefit of all it,s members.

  23. Rob Roy
    Rob Roy
    December 21, 2017, 4:25 pm

    echinococcus,

    It’s not about ‘logic.’ It’s fact.

    The thuggery of the US is consistent. The US/Israel combo is the biggest threat on the planet. Look at the destruction caused by the US since WWII, with no end in sight.

  24. Arby
    Arby
    December 21, 2017, 7:53 pm

    As far as I can tell, losing U.S. aid money is a gift.

  25. Vera Gottlieb
    Vera Gottlieb
    December 22, 2017, 3:44 pm

    Extortion and intimidation…israeli style.

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