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Adi Shosberger called Israeli soldiers ‘terrorists’ — and Israel has turned on her

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Israeli human rights activists who promote BDS (boycott, divestment, and sanctions) and speak harshly against Israeli policy are often subject to campaigns of exclusion and sometimes to death threats. While their stories pale in comparison to the stories of Palestinians (who are often shot dead just for protesting their rights), they need to be told and heard once in a while.

Thus I will tell the story of Adi Shosberger, the Israeli activist who called Israeli soldiers “terrorists” who are participating in a “massacre of innocent civilians”, telling them they were brainwashed into joining a “terror army”, as featured in a video which went viral in Israel just over two weeks ago. The incitement against her following the video release resulted in death threats, harassment and intimidation of her children, slashing of tires, garbage on the lawn etc. Adi required protection from fellow activists, as the police have taken her situation very lightly.

The video and its reason

The video drew wide condemnation from across Israeli society. Prime Minister Netanyahu mentioned it in a cabinet meeting. He opined that those words were an “outrageous absurdity” and that the soldiers have the full backing of all cabinet ministers, in order to continue “to do their holy work.” Defense Minister Avigdor Lieberman promoted new legislation, making it a crime punishable by 5 years prison to film soldiers with the purpose of “destabilizing IDF morale and the morale of Israeli citizens”. The penalty becomes 10 years if the intent is to “harm the security of the state”.

But the video coincided with another video which went viral at the same time, wherein Israeli snipers were filming themselves (through a rifle scope) shooting an unarmed, motionless Palestinian protester, and celebrating it. This put into perspective precisely what the activists were trying to bring focus to with their action and video – a “patently illegal” Israeli policy.

Shooting the messenger

Israeli denial of its wrongdoings is a common feature. Even the IDF claimed that the soldiers in the sniper video had acted “appropriately”. And a common mechanism in denial is to shoot the messenger. Thus, Adi Shosberger was to become a main target for incitement and even death threats.

For example, Adi was trashed by two radio hosts, Shai Goldstein and Lea Lev, on the Maariv radio 103FM “Breakfast Club” show. Goldstein said that he “feels like killing that woman”, called her “stupid”, “retarded”, “little bitch”, “filth” and so on – with Lev confirming his views all the way through. And this, mind you, is on centrist Israeli mainstream radio.

Adi Shosberger, demonstrating against snipers. Photo by Vanessa.

The Shadow

The hyper-nationalist Israeli rapper Yoav Eliasi, known as “The Shadow,” is notorious for campaigns of incitement mobilizing many of his hundreds of thousands of followers through social media, against those whom he labels as traitors or enemies. Eliasi was the main mobilizer towards the Elor Azarya support-rally in 2016 (also known as the “murder rally” or “death to the Arabs rally”), and it is telling that even for that crowd, which was carrying “kill them all” signs, Eliasi was considered just a touch too extreme, and was thus not given a stage to perform.

Eliasi noticed Shosberger’s action immediately and mobilized against her. This is not the first time – last year it happened too, and despite Shosberger filing a complaint with 22 explicit cases of death threats with documented persons, the case was quickly closed. Eliasi has found a method by which his posts are apparently just below the threshold of what would be considered criminal in Israel, but they serve as a dog whistle for followers who are far more explicit, and who are quick to get the hint and translate it to action.

Here is Eliasi’s Facebook post from just after Shosberger’s video went viral:

“Nerve warning!!

“A very grave clip by a rotten sub-human pathetic anti-Semite which shoves a camera into the face of our fighters and calls them terrorists and murderers. The name of this leftist stench is Adi Shosberger, who by the family name and behavior is obviously an offspring of Judenrat [to mean Nazi collaborator]. I ask all of you to rise and file a complaint against her”.

Protection by activists

Adi has already experienced how lightly the Israeli police take her situation, so while filing a complaint, she did not count on police protection in her situation. This resulted in the mobilizing of fellow activists who were basically taking shifts staying around the house for the past two weeks. In addition to the garbage thrown on her lawn and car tires slashed, epithets have regularly been hurled at her, and even her children at the local school (she has four boys, ages 5-12) were harassed by older high-school students. As a result, the children were kept home for several days.

When I talked to Adi yesterday (by Messenger), precisely at noontime her phone started buzzing with unregistered numbers, people who left hate messages and threats. She responded to it with equanimity – she says that those people inform each other that they need to make a harassment storm at a certain hour, and they call from hidden numbers, and she simply doesn’t pick up.

Feeling safer with the Tamimi’s in Nabi Saleh

It may seem odd for some, that the place in which Adi feels most safe and protected is in Nabi Saleh, a village which is almost daily invaded and raided by Israeli soldiers. But she does, and she feels most welcome staying with Bassem Tamimi, the father of Ahed Tamimi. Now that 17-year old Ahed as well as her mother Nariman are in prison, the house is much more lonely – but the Tamimi’s are always warm and welcoming toward activists who show understanding and solidarity with their struggle, and there is a mutual and reciprocal understanding of each other’s situation there.

A right wing activist, Yossi Levi, likened Adi Shosberger and Ahed Tamimi, and suggested Adi receive the same treatment as Ahed (on Facebook):

“Discrimintion???

Discrimination against Arabs?

Why is Ahed in jail and Adi Shosberger is still roaming free?

Share, share, share, until the law authority wakes up.

Adi Shosberger is a left activist, walks with a camera, harasses soldiers on duty, films them without permission and against their will, distracts their focus, insults and hurts them, calls them murderers and terrorists, and shames them.

Is a mental, psychological and moral hurting not worse than a slap?

Share, share until they arrest her, so that she too would be able to join Ahed Tamimi and all the other Israel-haters in jail.”

Adi herself sent me that post as an example, and said that she completely understands the comparison, and that she is highly aware of this difference of privilege between her and Ahed. This is the privilege that she is also continuously seeking to expose.

Adi’s story is one that is rather unsurprising for those who know the Israeli reality. Israeli journalist Gideon Levy has suffered similarly. He has already long been considered to possibly be “the most hated man in Israel” for his coverage of Palestinian suffering. But hell really broke loose when, in the midst of Israel’s 2014 Gaza onslaught, he wrote “Lowest Deeds From Loftiest Heights” about how “Israel’s ‘heroic’ pilots push buttons and joysticks, battling the weakest and most helpless of people.” At the time “Shade”, Yoav Eliasi, organized an incitement campaign against him, and actually hounded him in the street with a group of followers, hurling accusations and epithets against him which they filmed (here’s a video). Following this, Haaretz assigned Levy a bodyguard for some weeks.

It can be somewhat sobering to note, that Adi’s accusation of the soldiers as “terrorists” is a claim that has been indirectly made by none other than the UN fact-finding mission on Israel’s 2008-9 Gaza onslaught. The report, headed by Judge Richard Goldstone, concluded that Israel was “terroriz[ing] a civilian population”.

Goldstone, who is notably a Zionist Jew, was also subject to a relentless hate campaign in the wake of the report, both by Israel and by Jews abroad, until he succumbed to the pressure (the full details of which we may never know), and ‘recanted’ in a Washington Post article, alas without any actual new evidence (see Norman Finkelstein, “Goldstone Recants”). Notably, his whole team maintained that they stood by the findings. Of course, the Israelis were jubilant: “Everything that we said proved to be true” (Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu); “We always said that the IDF is a moral army that acted according to international law” (Defense Minister Ehud Barak); “We had no doubt that the truth would come out eventually” (Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman).

But when you let Israel off the hook like that for its state-terror, it becomes a license for more terror, and for more massacres. There were those at the time (2009) who believed that it couldn’t get worse. But Israel’s 2014 onslaught was worse. And that’s only part of this paradigm of state terror. It has many shades of black.

So Adi Shosberger and her fellow activists go over to soldiers and tell them that they are terrorists, in order to raise awareness of the paradigm. But why think about it at all? It’s easier to just shoot the messenger.

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  1. edwardm
    edwardm
    April 27, 2018, 12:02 pm

    Terrorists. Ladies and gentleman, if it walks like a duck, if it quacks like a duck, then what is it? What is it? That’s right, it’s a duck. But this duck is a terrorist duck. And it’s time the world started calling a duck a duck.

    • Kay24
      Kay24
      April 27, 2018, 4:58 pm

      Anyone, especially those who wear the uniform of their nation, who uses deadly weapons, or drops bombs on unarmed, terrified civilians, should be called a terrorist. Israel is a terror state, and has killed and maimed thousands of civilians for the past 60 years. They break international laws, disregards world condemnation, and uses live ammunition on unarmed civilians. Israeli troops have acted like terrorists, and since their orders come from the top, it can be called a terror state.

      So much for Israeli leaders saying that the IDF is the most moral army in the world, and they do not target civilians. They are liars too.

    • RoHa
      RoHa
      April 28, 2018, 3:46 am

      “But this duck is a terrorist duck.”

      So calling Israeli soldiers “terrorists” is not just a canard, then?

      • edwardm
        edwardm
        April 28, 2018, 6:46 pm

        No sir. More of a mallard.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        April 29, 2018, 1:28 pm

        In that case, let us live like the repentant attack-duck trainer, with mallards toward none.

  2. pabelmont
    pabelmont
    April 27, 2018, 12:56 pm

    I would never have been so brave. Duck, people, duck, because Israel is a walking, talking, quacking psychosis — and it is armed to the teeth and regularly kills people perceived by it as enemies. There was a book long ago — Israel’s sacred terrorism — which makes some of the same points. The government says, “our holy soldiers” and Adi calls them terrorists, and both are correct : Israel’s sacred terrorism. ( https://archive.org/details/IsraelsSacredTerrorism )

  3. gamal
    gamal
    April 27, 2018, 2:20 pm

    Tony Greenstein writes very well of the fate of cowardly Jewish groups who can’t directly address the issue such as the pathetic JVL in the UK labour party

    “Last week Wes Streeting, a right-wing anti-Corbyn MP appealed to MPs to form a posse which would accompany Smeeth to the venue where she would give her perjured evidence. Streeting stated that Smeeth was

    giving evidence against Mark Wadsworth – “the guy who abused her at the antisemitism inquiry launch – and we expect there to be a protest outside against her.”
    Marc, as anyone who watched the recent BBC programmes The Murder that Changed a Nation on the Stephen Lawrence murder, would know, played an integral role in the campaign. Marc has been one of Britain’s best known Black anti-racists. It is a scandal that he has been suspended for nearly 2 years because of allegations by a supporter of the world’s only Apartheid state, Israel”

    http://azvsas.blogspot.ie/2018/04/jewish-voice-for-labour-surrenders-to.html

    this latest Europe wide anti-Semitism gambit is pretty ill advised relying as much of it does on anti Black and Muslim prejudice, not to say this unwarranted attack on Socialists, but its all just a game right.

    • John O
      John O
      April 27, 2018, 2:43 pm

      Thanks, Gamal. One of the many reasons for subscribing to Mondoweiss is to get nuggets of information like this, which, with the best will in the world, guys like me simply do not have the time or the expertise to seek out for ourselves.

    • Maghlawatan
      Maghlawatan
      April 27, 2018, 3:14 pm

      I don’t get the impression that black and coloured activists have any time for Zionists whining about how unfair the world is. Median black wealth in the US wouldn’t buy many pastrami sandwiches.

    • Maghlawatan
      Maghlawatan
      April 27, 2018, 3:50 pm

      The aquifer which supplies the well of people caring about fake cries of antisemitism is drying up.
      Very boy who cried wolf feel to the whole mess.

  4. Maghlawatan
    Maghlawatan
    April 27, 2018, 3:51 pm

    I am not surprised that the Israeli establishment has turned on Shosberger. Justice is an asymmetric risk for Israel.

  5. Michael Lesher
    Michael Lesher
    April 27, 2018, 4:45 pm

    A fine piece. If there are readers in the U.K., perhaps someone can ask publicly why Ruth Smeeth and her cronies, who are so full of pious outrage over what they claim are “threats” against a “Jew audacious enough to enter political life” (that is, Smeeth herself), have nothing to say when the Jew in question defends Palestinian rights and really is threatened — in Ms. Shosberger’s case, more than threatened — by people who clearly consider her Jewishness part of her offense. (“Judenrat,” for instance.) How long are we supposed to take Smeeth’s charade seriously?

  6. echinococcus
    echinococcus
    April 27, 2018, 5:03 pm

    There is no percentage in staying in occupied Palestine among the invaders and being heroic.

    It doesn’t make any more sense than staying in Germany in 1939 and opposing Nazism openly.

    The difference is that, for the moment being, death threats are generally only threats (wonder for how long), and that a majority of people in Nazi Germany, including the Master Race, had the excuse of being officially under a harsh dictatorship.)

    • Citizen
      Citizen
      April 27, 2018, 5:39 pm

      Yeah, Israeli Jews have full civil rights, unlike denizens of the Nazi state, er….the difference seems to be eroding a few tads….but seems the majority in Israel like living under a racist regime, eh? All those who have claimed all Germans were complicit in Nazi Era, what do they say now about Israelis, who still have rights other than simply to serve the State?

      • echinococcus
        echinococcus
        April 27, 2018, 6:33 pm

        As for the thing about “all Germans being complicit in Nazi Era”, how about the diehard boycotters and shunners of everything German (except cannons and nuclear submarines)? They are the life and soul of the boycott-banning, unconstitutional legislation. And of the Zionist-operated genocide.

      • Maghlawatan
        Maghlawatan
        April 28, 2018, 2:43 am

        Full civil rights are meaningless if the executive controls the judiciary and the parliament. Anything can happen if the goons declare an emergency.

        Israeli civil rights are subordinate to the rights of settlers .

  7. Kathleen
    Kathleen
    April 27, 2018, 11:26 pm

    Adi is clearly an incredibly brave and moral woman. If only there were more Israeli’s like Adi.

  8. WebSkipper
    WebSkipper
    April 28, 2018, 12:50 am

    Haneen Zoabi has a bit of experience with this.

  9. Maghlawatan
    Maghlawatan
    April 28, 2018, 1:29 am

    “Defense Minister Avigdor Lieberman promoted new legislation, making it a crime punishable by 5 years prison to film soldiers with the purpose of “destabilizing IDF morale and the morale of Israeli citizens”. The penalty becomes 10 years if the intent is to “harm the security of the state”.”

    FFS
    The system of justice in Israel is a sham.
    One of the pillars of a democracy is the rule of law .
    Any country in which goons can change the law in a fit of pique is not a democracy .

    More than 50% of Israeli Jews come from an autocratic tradition and it is beginning to show.

    • Misterioso
      Misterioso
      April 28, 2018, 10:42 am

      @Maghlawatan

      The entity known as “Israel,” ever faster and deeper into the abyss of fascism/Nazism. No surprise, given the racist nature of Zionism.

      Henry Morgenthau Sr., renowned Jewish American and former U.S. Ambassador to Turkey, 1919: “Zionism is the most stupendous fallacy in Jewish history….The very fervour of my feeling for the oppressed of every race and every land, especially for the Jews, those of my own blood and faith, to whom I am bound by every tender tie, impels me to fight with all the greater force against this scheme, which my intelligence tells me can only lead them deeper into the mire of the past, while it professes to be leading them to the heights. Zionism is… a retrogression into the blackest error, and not progress toward the light.” (Quoted by Frank Epp, Whose Land is Palestine?, p. 261)

      • Naftush
        Naftush
        April 29, 2018, 8:17 am

        It’s cherry season again! Here’s what Morgenthau said a few paragraphs later:
        “Just why Palestine was separated from Syria is a secret for the politicians of the “closed door” school, for there is absolutely no rational reason why it should be. No historic, geographic, geo-
        logic or ethnologic proof could be furnished to justify such an action. All Biblical scholars worthy of the name are agreed on the fact that Palestine and Syria are one country.” Quoted from “The Case against Zionism,” H.I. Katibah, ed., https://archive.org/stream/caseagainstzioni00kati/caseagainstzioni00kati_djvu.txt Morgenthau did see Zionism as theft by the Jews of a land belonging to another people: the Syrian people.

      • echinococcus
        echinococcus
        April 29, 2018, 1:59 pm

        Nafoosh

        Morgenthau did see Zionism as theft by the Jews of a land belonging to another people: the Syrian people

        Not “another people”, slopoke, the same people. The part of that people that lived there is the Palestinian people, part of the Syrian people, pat of the Asian people, part of the world people.

        And the theft was not performed by the Jews but by the Zionists on behalf of GB.

        Besides, the thieves incoming from Bielorussia and Poland and Mars sure were thieves –not Syrian or Palestinian. Looks like you still are a master at shooting yourself in the foot.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        April 29, 2018, 2:00 pm

        “All Biblical scholars worthy of the name are agreed on…”

        Wow! That’s incredible! I didn’t know “all Biblical scholars worthy of the name” agreed on anything!

      • MHughes976
        MHughes976
        April 29, 2018, 3:23 pm

        I should think that Morgenthau was aware of Herodotus’ six or seven references to ‘Syria-Palestine’ and suchlike. Mind you, those references certainly suggest that Palestine was a distinct area of the greater Syria.

      • eljay
        eljay
        April 29, 2018, 6:14 pm

        || Naftush: … Morgenthau did see Zionism as theft by the Jews of a land belonging to another people: the Syrian people. ||

        Thank you for clarifying that:
        – “the Jews” stole a land belonging to another people; and
        – all of geographic Palestine belongs to Syria.

      • echinococcus
        echinococcus
        April 29, 2018, 8:08 pm

        Hughes,

        If you expect Naftoosh to have read Herodotus (or to have read more by Morgenthau than the snippet posted by the Zionist Propagandaabteilung) you’re expecting way too much.

  10. Maghlawatan
    Maghlawatan
    April 28, 2018, 1:46 am

    “Defense Minister Avigdor Lieberman promoted new legislation, making it a crime punishable by 5 years prison to film soldiers with the purpose of “destabilizing IDF morale and the morale of Israeli citizens”. The penalty becomes 10 years if the intent is to “harm the security of the state”.”

    FFS
    The system of justice in Israel is a sham.
    One of the pillars of a democracy is the rule of law .
    Any country in which goons can change the law in a fit of pique is not a democracy .

    @DaronLarson

    “Demagogues don’t become demagogues by talking about what people DON”T CARE about. They become powerful and dominant by talking about what people DO CARE about and then taking those feelings in hideous directions.”

  11. Maghlawatan
    Maghlawatan
    April 28, 2018, 8:44 am

    Authoritarian government operates by repression but also by isolating people.  Those who speak out are made an example of and punished severely “pour encourager les autres”. A culture of fear builds up around the freedom of expression so that eventually there is none.

    The global Jewish collective is therefore divided into 2 groups. The Bernie Sanders progressives and the George Orwell1984 Hebrew speakers.
    Why?

    1. Because there weren’t enough Ashkenazim to make a nation of Israel in 1948 and the ballast had to be imported from authoritarian countries like Iraq.  2. Because there weren’t enough non traumatised Jews in 1948 amongst the Ashkenazim.

    3.  And because 1 million Russian non democratic “Jews” were imported in the 90s.

    A majority of Israeli Jews is non democratic and easy to scare the bejaysus out of. Netanyahu does it ALL THE TIME.

    This is why Israel is doomed, as Misterioso also demonstrates. 

  12. Arby
    Arby
    April 28, 2018, 8:49 am

    Freedom is wonderful. But when you abuse it, then you are too free.

    “Defense Minister Avigdor Lieberman promoted new legislation, making it a crime punishable by 5 years prison to film soldiers with the purpose of “destabilizing IDF morale and the morale of Israeli citizens”.”

    That would be like the Hells Angels biker gang having the power to pass a law making it a crime punishable by 5 years in prison to criticize the biker rule that makes raping a virgin part of the initiation into the gang. (Which I recall from long ago so I don’t know whether that’s still the case.)

    That’s like Satan passing a law making those who promote peace… Oh, Wait a minute!

  13. JimMichie
    JimMichie
    April 28, 2018, 8:57 am

    Attacks against Adi expose and confirm the true “colors” of Zionism: brutal, ruthless, racist, genocidal, ethnic cleansing, fascism and terrorism–the quintessential opposite of Judaism, evil versus good! And, yes, madman Netanyahu’s assassin snipers are, indeed, Zionist TERRORISTS!

  14. shaun patrick
    shaun patrick
    April 28, 2018, 9:31 am

    The steady march of Israel towards becoming an ultra extremist society which spews violent vitreol towards anyone who disagrees with it seems unstoppable. The rise of Nazism did not happen overnight but took years to fester and develop, each step towards Hitler’s rise seemed logical to German’s at the time. Israel is traveling full speed in the same direction with the full support of the population. Later when the inevitable collapse occurs and the horror of Israel’s occupation is fully revealed its citizens will say exactly what German’s said that is that they had no idea and will plead ignorance despite being informed by the press and online media of what is going on in Gaza and the West Bank just mere kilometres from where they live their privelaged lives, while Palestinians particularly in Gaza suffer despair and poverty at the hands of their occupier.

    • Jackdaw
      Jackdaw
      April 28, 2018, 11:31 am

      @shaun

      When are you going to back it in and leave Oz to the handful of Aboriginals that your genocide hasn’t killed off?

      • CigarGod
        CigarGod
        April 28, 2018, 11:59 am

        When you stop trying to sell your deflections as logic.

      • echinococcus
        echinococcus
        April 28, 2018, 12:45 pm

        [email protected]$$

        When you decide to go live as a non-protected invader in Palestine, expecting some of those oh-so-terrible firecrackers to land on your head.

      • shaun patrick
        shaun patrick
        April 28, 2018, 11:00 pm

        I’m not Australian and l totally disagree with the treatment of Australian Aboriginals both in the present day and throughout history however this has nothing to do with my commentary.The imprisonment of 2million people in Gaza who are used as both target practice by snipers and and weapons testing guinea pigs whenever Israel decides to mow the lawn, this is terrorism.

      • shaun patrick
        shaun patrick
        April 29, 2018, 6:04 am

        I see your knowledge of geography is similar to your understanding of the occupation. I’m Canadian,and yes Australia’s treatment of its Aboriginal citizens is appalling and totally unacceptable which is why Australia is able to support the occupation at every opportunity and why it’s prime minister told Netanyahu that the two countries share the same values.

      • Jackdaw
        Jackdaw
        April 29, 2018, 10:45 am

        @shaun

        Many prisoners are behind bars for good reason.
        In the case of Gaza, the good people of Gaza are behind a security fence because have thrown their lot in with a terrorist organisation led by religious fanatics.

        Gazans destroyed whatever goodwill existed when Israel unilaterally quit Gaza in 2005.

        Hamas can’t get along withe PA, and Hamas has managed to antagonise first Iran, and than it’s Arab neighbour, Egypt, probably by given aid and succour to ISIS in Sinai.

        Oh…oh. I almost forgot. In 2014, Hamas ordered the kidnap/murder of three innocent Israeli youths as a premeditated prelude to a coup d’etat attempt against the PA.

        Now that you’ve demonstrated what a ‘useful idiot’ you are, and the Hamas masters you serve, it hardly makes a difference whether you’re Canadian or Australian.

        Does it.

      • Sibiriak
        Sibiriak
        April 29, 2018, 12:33 pm

        Jackdaw: … the good people of Gaza are behind a security fence because [they] have thrown their lot in with [Hamas]…
        ——————————-

        The rise of Hamas cannot possibly be the cause of the imprisonment of the people of Gaza, since that imprisonment began decades before that rise.

        1962

        Canadian Lt.-General E.L.M. Burns, chief of staff of the UN Truce Supervision Organization (1954-1956), “Between Arab and Israeli” :

        The Strip is about forty kilometres long, and averages eight and a quarter kilometres in width; thus it contains about 330 square kilometres.

        There are about 310,000 Arab residents in the Strip, 210,000 of them refugees from the southern parts of Palestine now occupied by Israel. Thus there are about 1500 persons to the square kilometre of arable soil — about 3900 to the square mile …

        One does not see people starving or dying of disease in the streets; nevertheless the Gaza Strip resembles a vast concentration camp , shut off by the sea, the border between Palestine and the Sinai near Rafah, which the Egyptians will not permit them to cross, and the Armistice Demarcation Line which they cross in peril of being shot by Israelis or imprisoned by the Egyptians.

        They can look east and see wide fields, once Arab land, cultivated extensively by a few Israelis, with a chain of kibbutzim guarding the heights or the areas beyond.

        It is not surprising that they look with hatred on those who have dispossessed them.

      • Jackdaw
        Jackdaw
        April 29, 2018, 1:35 pm

        @sibiriak

        And who, please remind us, Sibirik, who governed Gaza in 1962?

        I’ll give you hint, genius. It wasn’t Israel.

      • Sibiriak
        Sibiriak
        April 29, 2018, 2:03 pm

        @Jackdaw: …”the Armistice Demarcation Line which they cross in peril of being shot by Israelis or imprisoned by the Egyptians.

        Hamas nowhere to be found.

        “They can look east and see wide fields, once Arab land, cultivated extensively by a few Israelis , with a chain of kibbutzim guarding the heights or the areas beyond.

        It is not surprising that they look with hatred on those who have dispossessed them.

      • Jackdaw
        Jackdaw
        April 29, 2018, 4:00 pm

        @Sibiriak

        “It is not surprising that they look with hatred on those who have dispossessed them.””

        I’m not surprised either. Nor am I surprised that you hate Jews. It’s deep in your blood.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        April 29, 2018, 4:22 pm

        ” Nor am I surprised that you hate Jews. It’s deep in your blood.”

        “Jackdaw”, be reasonable. Maybe “Sibiriak” just doesn’t love “Jews” as much as you desperately want him to.
        Not everybody has to, you know.

  15. cypruswez
    cypruswez
    April 28, 2018, 9:46 am

    When the ultra right zionists have brain washed enough of the population to believe that Palestinian, and any friends of Palestinians are sub human, and deserve to die, you have replicated the situation in Nazi Germany. Deprivation, torture, and murder are acceptable. It can only be hoped that BDS and campaigns against US and UK funding of the murderous Netanjahu regime, bear fruit before we witness another genocide. 💀

  16. RayJosephCormier
    RayJosephCormier
    April 28, 2018, 10:08 am

    I’m curious enough to follow many links in various online articles. I searched YouTube for “Adi Shosberger” to see the video for myself so I can Trust what I read and see, and not just follow false, misleading Propaganda/Hearsay more prolific these Days, than ever before in Human history. Unfortunately, YouTube says that video does not exist. When I entered “Adi Shosberger” in the search bar, a window opened with that name in it, so it did exist.

    I read with my own eyes these words, words like words everywhere that can be read Today, seen by the writer taking root among the People some 2600 years ago:
    Woe to those who say of the evil that it is good and of the good that it is evil; who present darkness as light and light as darkness, who present bitter as sweet and sweet as bitter.
    Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes, and in their own estimation, of profound understanding.

    After all those Centuries, who knows the Way, the Truth and the Life these Days?

    UN Secretary-General Dag Hammarskjold was killed in a suspicious plane crash in 1961. He dared speak Truth to Power. His quote from over 60 years ago is so relevant to what is going on Today. It has spread like never before to affect the judgments of the Politicians, the news media, and the Public.

    -The Assembly has witnessed over the last weeks how historical truth is established; once an allegation has been repeated a few times, it is no longer an allegation, it is an established fact, even if no evidence has been brought out in order to support it.

  17. Jackdaw
    Jackdaw
    April 28, 2018, 11:19 am

    When will Jonathan Ofir and Adi Shosberger ‘get on the bus’, and go live in Gaza for awhile?

    Besides giving them much needed ‘street cred’, it might add perspective to their reportage.

    *not expecting an answer*

    While Adi and Jonathan are in Gaza, they can take a video of an uppity Arab woman calling Hamasniks ‘terrorist’ to their faces.

    • Jonathan Ofir
      Jonathan Ofir
      April 29, 2018, 4:27 am

      Jackdaw, the “go to Gaza” quip is apparently one of the worst curses one can perceive in Israel. I remember it to be so long before Hamas was elected.

      It may be a useful reflection, to see how the host in the mentioned “Breakfast Club” radio show made use of this ‘epithet’. I actually transcribed it fully at first, but left it out of the piece for brevity. It’s breathtaking… let me get my transcript…

      “Goldstein: If these soldiers weren’t protecting you, you piece of stupidity, it’s reasonable to assume that you would be murdered and raped in the street…

      Lev: Yes…

      Goldstein: …by those whom you protect so much.

      Lev: Absolutely.

      Goldstein: So those soldiers protect you. Because of them you can get near an area which… the area you got near, and get out of there safe and sound without being stripped of your own skin. So go to hell, and leave. These people are really… What are you doing here?! Go! Go to Gaza!”

      … They are not even talking to Adi. They are talking to themselves. And inculcating in themselves and in their own echo chamber (including their many listeners) how monstrous those beasts are, behind those mounds of darkness.
      As Defense Minister Lieberman says, “There are no innocent people in Gaza”.
      And the people in Israel are mostly Jewish and democratic, with the most moral army in the world.

      • Jonathan Ofir
        Jonathan Ofir
        April 29, 2018, 5:11 am

        Actually I’ve decided to post the full transcript of that 3-minute radio rant on my Facebook wall. with a short introduction.
        Here it is: https://www.facebook.com/jonathan.ofir/posts/10155982326929342?notif_id=1524992020735383&notif_t=feedback_reaction_generic&ref=notif

        THE FULL “BREAKFAST CLUB” DISCUSSION ABOUT ADI SHOSBERGER
        In my recent piece about human rights activist Adi Shosberger, who called Israeli soldiers ‘terrorists’ http://mondoweiss.net/…/shosberger-soldier…/comment-page-1/… , I made a mentioning of the Maariv radio 103FM “Breakfast Club” radio show:
        “Shooting the messenger
        Israeli denial of its wrongdoings is a common feature. Even the IDF claimed that the soldiers in the sniper video had acted “appropriately”. And a common mechanism in denial is to shoot the messenger. Thus, Adi Shosberger was to become a main target for incitement and even death threats.
        For example, Adi was trashed by two radio hosts, Shai Goldstein and Lea Lev, on the Maariv radio 103FM “Breakfast Club” show. Goldstein said that he “feels like killing that woman”, called her “stupid”, “retarded”, “little bitch”, “filth” and so on – with Lev confirming his views all the way through. And this, mind you, is on centrist Israeli mainstream radio.”
        In a comment thread on that article, I found it useful to provide a section of the transcript. I had made a full transcript ready but opted to merely refer to it in passing for brevity. Having looked at it again, I thought that it could be useful to provide this transcript in its entirety (it’s a 3 minute rant, 41:40-44:45 in the radio link on article). Actually, it is a breathtaking demonstration of vitriol. Notice that as Adi refused to take the call, the hosts were simply speaking about her, to themselves. Notice the depictions of Gaza and how Adi would be “raped and murdered” (if it weren’t for the soldiers ‘protecting her’), notice the “go to Gaza” expression – which has long been one of the worst epithets you could hurl at another Israeli (long before Hamas), and notice how the soldiers are depicted as victims – “kids”, and ones who are merely “following orders” (sound familiar?). As Adi has noted, just a few hundred meters from the location of the demonstration that day, 11 protesters were shot dead, among them two children. That reality is of course not even featuring in any way within this discussion.

        Goldstein: “You can’t do anything anymore in this state”
        Lev: Times have changed.
        Goldstein: Times have really changed.
        (Someone shouts from back of studio): You can curse soldiers!
        Lev: You can curse soldiers. That’s right, that you can actually do – listen to how this leftist activist…
        Goldstein: I feel like killing that woman.
        Lev: Come, come Shai, we haven’t played the clip yet…
        Goldstein: I sat yesterday at home, smoke came out of my ears! Ok…
        Lev: For those who don’t know, after we saw the whole storm that occurred with the sniper, suddenly this left-activist comes and shows us the exact other side, and there we see how hard it is for the soldiers.
        Goldstein: wow, wow, I’m going to get a fit now, again, I can’t believe it…
        (Playing the audio of the clip).
        Goldstien: What a piece of… stupidity.
        Lev: A nobody.
        Goldstein: Not only a nobody – also stupid! Who do you come to complain to? The soldiers who are there? Are they there from their own free will? They are following orders! Are you a big hero?! Go to…
        Lev: Go to Gadi Eisenkot [Chief of Staff] and tell him all those things!
        Goldstein: I feel like taking her, and putting her in the center of Gaza…
        Lev: Yes.
        Goldstein: Alone…
        Lev: Yes.
        Goldstein: And leaving her there.
        Lev. Yes. And let’s see what happens…
        Goldstein: And let’s see what would happen to her – the stupid woman… the soldiers are protecting you, you retard!
        Lev: True. It’s the most annoying thing I’ve seen. You know, it’s one thing, to “oppose the occupation” [said with derogatory nasal tone]…
        Goldstein: So oppose it!
        Lev: It’s another thing, to go and say that you’re not going to serve in the military. OK, fine, let’s say.
        Goldstein: Let’s say. It’s your right… it’s not your right, but do whatever you want!
        Lev: But to come up to a person, in the face, to try to humiliate them, as if they did something to you personally…
        Goldstein: If these soldiers weren’t protecting you, you piece of stupidity, it’s reasonable to assume that you would be raped and murdered in the street…
        Lev: Yes…
        Goldstein: …by those whom you protect so much.
        Lev: Absolutely.
        Goldstein: So those soldiers protect you. Because of them you can get near an area which… the area you got near, and get out of there safe and sound without being stripped of your own skin. So go to hell, and leave. These people are really…
        Lev: It’s just not fair.
        Goldstein: What are you doing here?! Go! Go to Gaza!
        Lev: You know, it’s people, when I look at them [the soldiers], these are people at my age, it’s people who are slightly older than me…
        Goldstein: Soldiers!
        Lev: It’s soldiers, it’s officers, it’s folks from age 18 up to age 25 or something, folks who are really young – so you are coming there, and you’re like, what, you’re hitting them on the head? You’re a big hero?
        Goldstein: Yes, on children – they’re children!!
        Lev: Madam, who are you anyway?
        Goldstein: Who are you?
        Lev: Where did they bring you from?
        Goldstein: She gave me nerves, the little bitch…
        Lev: Really…
        Goldstein: Filth…
        Lev: We’ll still try to get hold of her…

      • Jackdaw
        Jackdaw
        April 29, 2018, 9:17 am

        Hello Jonathan,

        To begin with, I never meant ‘..go live in Gaza’, to be an epithet. If I wanted to use an epithet, I would have used one. I know many epithets, some quite colourful.

        I said that living in Gaza would ‘add perspective’, as indeed it would. Many Western journalists are in Gaza right now, and their reports are vital in helping us better understand the I/P conflict.

        I have only two questions.
        Have you ever been to Gaza? Are you planning to visit Gaza?

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        April 29, 2018, 1:40 pm

        ” If I wanted to use an epithet, I would have used one. I know many epithets, some quite colourful.” “Jackdaw”

        Any of which you can use, after submitting them to the Moderators for approval.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        April 29, 2018, 4:51 pm

        “Jackdaw, the “go to Gaza” quip is apparently one of the worst curses one can perceive in Israel.”

        You will just have to forgive him his solecisms, Mr. Ofir. You see, “Jackdaw” doesn’t spend a lot of time with Israelis. The results are less dire if he socializes on Mondo.

      • Jackdaw
        Jackdaw
        April 30, 2018, 7:56 am

        Like I said,*not expecting an answer*.

  18. Vera Gottlieb
    Vera Gottlieb
    April 28, 2018, 12:27 pm

    I would not call them ‘terrorists’, I would say they use Nazi-style tactics.

  19. HarryLaw
    HarryLaw
    April 28, 2018, 1:04 pm

    Just a reminder of the strange situation in the UK Labour Party.
    One of the supporters of Ruth Smeeth is the MP Luciana Berger who is also Chair of the Jewish Labour Movement [JLM] affiliated to the UK Labour party and the Israeli Labour party, the JLM says it organizes within the World Zionist Organization [WZO] whose goals include establishing Eretz Yisrael as a greater Israel from the Jordan river to the Mediterranean, including the whole of Jerusalem. WZO’s Settlement Division actively supports settlements in the Occupied West Bank.
    Israeli Labour Party leader Avi Gabbay and sister party to the UK Labour party also supported by the jewish Labour Movement [JLM] within the UK Labour party called the settlement enterprise “the beautiful and devoted face of Zionism” and said Israel must retain control over the Jordan Valley. The JLM have been calling for zero tolerance in the Labour Party for anti-Semitism, but they themselves support grave war crimes. The settlement enterprise is classed as a grave war crime in Article 49.6 of the Geneva Conventions and in the ICC act UK, 2003. The World court [ICJ] gave its opinion in the ‘Wall Case’ in 2003 when all 15 Judges said ALL the Israeli settlements were contrary to the Geneva Conventions.
    Gabbay declared that God promised the Jews the entire land between the sea and the Jordan. That is not quite correct: God promised us all the land from the Euphrates to the River of Egypt. God never made good on that promise.

    Gabbay declared that in any future peace agreement with the Palestinians, not a single Jewish settlement in the West Bank would be evacuated.

    Several years ago the Bil’in village took the Canadian company Green Park International to court in Canada, here is part of the prosecution case…

    “Under international law, it so happens that a breach of Article 49(6) of the Fourth Geneva Convention is classified as a war crime. The term “war crime” has no clear, universally accepted definition, but essentially war crimes are those violations of the laws of war so grave that they have been specially designated by the international community as an extraordinary class of offence whose reprehensible nature would “shock the conscience of all right-thinking people” (to use the words of Cory J. in R. v. Finta, [1994] 1 S.C.R. 701). Laws against war crimes are generally aimed at atrocities against civilians, prisoners of war, and other non-combatants.

    A war crime, to put it succinctly, is a very serious matter. Further, it is easy to see why the offence in question falls into this special category. Article 49(6) is essentially a law to prevent colonialism. One need look no further than the current condition of the indigenous peoples whose domain once spanned the entire expansive breadth of this continent to appreciate the gravity of the consequences territorial dispossession can inflict upon a population. Most war crimes deal with offences against individuals or groups of individuals, but the offence in Article 49(6) is one that threatens the integrity of an entire people. It clearly qualifies as an exceptional offence of higher order that is of grave concern to the global community as a whole” Should the Jewish Labour Movement [JLM] be expelled from the UK Labour Party because they support grave war crimes Should Diane Abbott Shadow Home Secretary claim “We are looking at introducing a programme of education quite possibly delivered by organizations like the Jewish Labour Movement. An organization that supports grave war crimes teaching Labour party members the error of their ways. You could not make it up.

    • RoHa
      RoHa
      April 28, 2018, 7:32 pm

      The very existence of the JLM seems odd. Why was such a movement thought necessary? Is there a Sikh or Hindu Labour Movement? Anyone who wants to advance Labour causes would surely simply join the Labour Party.

      “God promised us all the land from the Euphrates to the River of Egypt. God never made good on that promise.”

      Sue.

      • HarryLaw
        HarryLaw
        April 29, 2018, 7:04 am

        There is a fact sheet on the Jewish Labour Movement ‘Free speech on Israel’ what is the Jewish Labour Movement? It sprang into life in February 2016 just as the UK Labour Party left was being invigorated. Here.. http://freespeechonisrael.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/JLMleaflet-2.pdf
        A socialist society is a membership organisation that is affiliated with the Labour Party in the UK.
        Current socialist societies
        There are 21 affiliated socialist societies:
        • Black, Asian Minority Ethnic Labour (BAME Labour) (formerly Labour Party Black Sections and Black Socialist Society)
        • Chinese for Labour
        • Christians on the Left (formerly The Christian Socialist Movement)
        • Disability Labour (formerly Labour Party Disabled Members Group)
        • Fabian Society
        • Jewish Labour Movement, (formerly Poale Zion)
        • Labour Animal Welfare Society
        • Labour Business (formerly Labour Finance and Industry Group)
        • Labour Campaign for International Development
        • Labour Campaign for Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender Rights (LGBT Labour)
        • Labour Housing Group
        • Labour Movement for Europe
        • Labour Party Irish Society
        • Labour Students
        • Labour Women’s Network
        • National Union of Labour and Socialist Clubs
        • Scientists for Labour
        • Socialist Educational Association
        • Socialist Environment and Resources Association (SERA)
        • Socialist Health Association
        • Society of Labour Lawyers
        There are other organisations, such as Labour Arts Alliance, Muslims for Labour and Labour Humanists, which are not formally affiliated to the Labour Party but act as campaign groups for Labour Party members in the same way as the affiliates but have yet to apply for affiliation or have decided not to do so.
        Could they sue their Chief Rabbi since he could be vicariously responsible?

      • gamal
        gamal
        April 29, 2018, 8:06 am

        “Muslims for Labour”

        In the UK Muslim Labour groups (mostly Pakistani) and organizations, in those wards where the Labour party is dominated by Muslims are universally and I mean universally loyal Blairites, perhaps they have a weakness for patronage, who doesn’t, as exemplified by the London Mayor Khan, fervent Zionists all,

        in fact they are so right wing it’s probable that they will ignite a Jihad among the bloods and Muslims bruv’s…its a very serious problem for the UK community as it is now at the centre of state repression with elected Muslims etc cheering them on, any one remember the Muslim Parliament more skullduggery.

      • RayJosephCormier
        RayJosephCormier
        April 29, 2018, 12:05 pm

        You cite one line in the Tanach. What about these other lines on the same topic?

        Son of man, they that inhabit those wastes of the land of Israel speak, saying, Abraham was one, and he inherited the land: but we are many; the land is given us for inheritance.
        Wherefore say unto them, Thus says the Lord GOD; You eat with the blood, and lift up your eyes toward your idols, and shed blood: and shall you possess the land?
        You stand upon your sword, you work abomination, and you defile every one his neighbour’s wife: and shall you possess the land?

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        April 29, 2018, 7:12 pm

        Gah!

        What a list!

        No wonder they can’t get anything done.

    • Maghlawatan
      Maghlawatan
      April 28, 2018, 8:40 pm

      The Smeeth circus is very interesting. Diaspora jews are continually reminded of their obligation towards Israel and how their silence in WW2 contributed to the Shoah.

      The Board of Deputies is the UK Jewish leadership and could be described as fruitcake Zionist, Israel drunk or sober. They accused Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn of being “ideologically fixed within a far left worldview that is instinctively hostile to mainstream Jewish communities”. This is incendiary.
      http://www.newsweek.com/jewish-leaders-tell-british-labour-leader-theyre-sick-antisemitism-says-jeremy-860331

      The economic system is falling apart and political loyalties are being redefined. Zionism does not have a political base amongst ordinary Brits. It works via elite networking and brutal suppression of dissent.
      Emboldened minority groups within the UK Labour Party are not interested any longer. Zionism has to crush them because of leverage issues. The only leverage UK Zionists have is neutered because it doesn’t have a political base.

      And they have no leverage over Israeli behaviour. They are in a very vulnerable position.

  20. Maghlawatan
    Maghlawatan
    April 28, 2018, 4:01 pm

    Israel today is down to one charismatic asshole- Netanyahu. He was viscerally opposed to the peace deal signed in 1991 and agitated to ensure it wasn’t ever implemented. He rabble roused extremist settlers in the months leading to the assassination of Rabin. Maybe the peace deal was a sham but Israel still had a functioning society compared to the autocracy it is now.

    Israel today is Netanyahu’s baby. Everything he said as a 28 year old regarding the Palestinians was bullshit. He implemented his beliefs and now the whole zionist project is at risk.

  21. Maghlawatan
    Maghlawatan
    April 28, 2018, 4:19 pm

    Gazans don’t care about Israel. Israeli policy is designed to force Palestinians into submission where Palestinians are Nothing. #Hopeless

    Israel has painted itself into a corner. All the knowledge about how life and politics work is in the torah but Israel got caught up in land porn.

  22. Marnie
    Marnie
    April 29, 2018, 12:47 am

    ‘israel’ will never stray from it’s current path toward self-destruction because there is no other possible conclusion to the madness that is zionazism. I’m sure the netanyahoo’s have a bunker well stocked with pink champagne and Cuban cigars. Masada 2.0, coming soon to a theater near you.

  23. Ossinev
    Ossinev
    April 29, 2018, 10:23 am

    @Magwlawatan
    “Israel today is down to one charismatic asshole- Netanyahu”.

    He is introduced in the show as “Ben Nitay”

    His rabbi grandfather father changed the family name to the apparently more biblical sounding Netanyahu from the original non – biblical sounding Polish Mileikowsky when he arrived as a Ziocolonist from Europe.

    When Yahoo junior went to study in the US he appears at some point to have changed his surname to Nitay before returning to Zioland and reverting to Netanyahu.

    I can`t find any record of him being challenged as to why he temporarily changed his name.
    Can only presume that he wanted to come across as more Anglo Saxon/American/Aryan.
    Well would any American girl (or boy) want to date someone with a moniker like Netanyahu?
    Still would love to hear him being challenged on this blatant and shameless act of self denial.

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