Trending Topics:

By wrecking Iran deal, Trump politicized Israel

US Politics
on 108 Comments

It almost goes without saying that yesterday was one of the most depressing days in memory. Here was a massive fragile edifice of recent history, the Iran deal, that had seemed to almost all of us such a great step forward, a labor of statesmanship by so many diverse figures around the globe working together to advance cross-cultural respect and comity, and Trump took a dufus’s sledge hammer to it. You could hear fear in anchors’ voices: suddenly the world was less safe.

If there was one bright spot in the day, it was the almost universal anger and anguish that followed Trump’s speech, and the determination to try and undo his action by any means the rest of us can. Even the neoconservatives who have pushed this action seemed afraid of what it meant. Even Chuck Schumer, who had opposed his own president on the Iran deal three years ago because of the “threat to Israel,” was against Trump.

The grievous action would thus seem to be somewhat self-healing, inasmuch as it discredits the U.S. in the eyes of the world, and even lifts the prestige of Iran. “There are now two Wests. One, led by the leaders of Germany, France + UK, which believes in liberal democracy and international law,” Peter Beinart writes. “And a second, headquartered in Washington + Jerusalem, which holds those values in contempt.”

Jerusalem. That is the other great breakthrough in Trump’s nihilism. There’s no doubt whose fingerprints are all over this action: the Israeli government and its lobby. The foolish State Department briefing on the decision makes it clear how important to Trump was Netanyahu’s dog-and-pony act of a week before, featuring old intelligence to state that Iran lied about its nuclear ambitions. The New York Times front-page analysis is also frank about Netanyahu’s role in giving Trump the pretext for his announcement (though of course Saudi influence is uppermost in the view of the Times).

PM Netanyahu with the conclusive proof of Iran’s secret nuclear weapons program

Ali Abunimah was blunter:

BREAKING: Donald Trump, spokesperson for US President Benjamin Netanyahu, announces pullout from Iran nuclear deal.

This represents a breakthrough because in defending the deal and making its destruction a political issue, as they promise they will, Democrats will have to take on Israel and the lobby. Yes, they will cover their behind by saying what J Street and Nancy Pelosi do, lots of former Israeli security chiefs were for the deal. But that’s a figleaf. There is a powerful rightwing Israel lobby, and Netanyahu is the leader. These are the same forces that pushed for the Iraq war 16 years ago to such ill effect for the Middle East, and they are sowing destruction once again.

During the Iraq debacle there was a reluctance to call out the Israel lobby for its role. Stephen Walt and John Mearsheimer were smeared for stating what Col. Lawrence Wilkerson said was “obvious,” that the war probably wouldn’t have happened without the lobby. To this day the Democratic Party is afraid of that analysis–surely because it could divide the base and endanger campaign fundraising.

But that analysis seems inevitable today because the politics are now so envenomed, and Israel’s influence is so transparent. Netanyahu is one of the most hated figures for the progressive Democratic base, and the hate temperature just went up, a lot. Dylan Williams of J Street puts out Netanyahu’s crazy speech recommending the Iraq War to Congress 16 years ago, and J Street is vowing revenge. “All of those who have sought to undermine the agreement by spreading fear and misinformation about it will bear their share of the culpability,” it writes. Ben Cardin, Bob Menendez and Chuck Schumer better keep their heads down.

Lobelog, the most honest site about policy-making in Washington, is filled with frank descriptions of Israel’s influence. Minutes after Trump ripped through the awning, Eli Clifton reported on the three billionaires behind Trump who should be blamed for the decision, Sheldon Adelson, Bernard Marcus, and Paul Singer, all of them rightwing Jewish supporters of Israel.

Paul Pillar called out the Israel lobby in a piece titled “Hold the Deal-Killers Accountable.”

The other major motivation [for Trump] is to stay in step with the preferences of the right-wing government of Israel. The political and financial mechanisms include fear among American politicians of antagonizing the lobby that works on that government’s behalf. They also include wealthy supporters of that government bankrolling advocacy groups dedicated to sustaining tension and confrontation with Iran, with opposition to the JCPOA at the core of that effort.

At Foreign Policy, Steve Walt also named the forces behind the decision: “Israel, the hard-line wing of the Israel lobby (e.g., the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, Foundation for Defense of Democracies, United Against Nuclear Iran), and hawks including National Security Advisor John Bolton, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, and many others. Their great fear was that the United States and its Middle East allies might eventually have to acknowledge Iran as a legitimate regional power and grant it some degree of regional influence.”

This spring both wings of the Israel lobby, AIPAC on the right and J Street on the left, vowed that support for Israel must stay bipartisan. Trump’s Iran destruction has ended any hope that the two sides can stay synchronized. AIPAC is now making nice to Trump even as J Street is pledging resistance.

Resistance means calling out Netanyahu and his neoconservative allies. It means identifying Israel’s very non-existential interest in destroying the Iran deal: because Iran and Hezbollah are a threat to its regional hegemony. It means making clear that when Trump says Iranian missiles threaten the U.S., he is parroting the lies of his dear friend Netanyahu.

Netanyahu embodies the security state of Israel; his rightwing coalition is not going anywhere, and the center left mimics it. All those good leftists support the slaughter of unarmed Gaza protesters.

Avenging the Iran deal means speaking plainly about Netanyahu’s influence in our politics. Obama defeated Netanyahu three years ago. Now Netanyahu has defeated Obama. In the wreckage lies the outline of a strategy. Resisting Trump means resisting Israel.

Thanks to Scott Roth and James North.

philweiss
About Philip Weiss

Philip Weiss is Founder and Co-Editor of Mondoweiss.net.

Other posts by .


Posted In:

108 Responses

  1. NorthCascadian
    NorthCascadian
    May 9, 2018, 10:34 am

    How often must the citizens of this nation be humiliated by this shitty little country? I for one have had enough, though the Israeli police state is now infiltrating the United States making us all Palestinians. Peace with Iran, Peace with Syria, Peace with Russia, Peace with Palestine!

    • US Citizen
      US Citizen
      May 9, 2018, 7:51 pm

      When the US and international community start applying pressure on the israelis to actually accept living in peace next to Palestine let me know. Until then all of their numerous proxy organizations on the ground are just producing anti-Palestinian/Islamophobic propaganda and I will treat it accordingly as the trash and sewage that it is.

      israelis want to be treated like a normal decent human beings? Let them act like it first and end their barbarism against the Palestinians. Until then they deserve scorn, contempt, isolation and sanctions. Until then they aren’t entitled to even one iota of respect and will be treated accordingly as the trash and sewage that it is.

      No person in any setting or for any reason should be compelled to associate with a citizen of a country that is brutally oppressing and dispossessing a people whom it is belligerently and illegally occupying. The Palestinians will remain and continually remind israelis that their so called ‘homeland’, israel, is built on a Palestinian graveyards.

    • CigarGod
      CigarGod
      May 9, 2018, 8:55 pm

      Very good.
      “the Israeli police state is now infiltrating the United States making us all Palestinians.”

    • Misterioso
      Misterioso
      May 10, 2018, 10:20 am

      @NorthCascadian, et al

      In the long run, Trump’s kowtowing to Sheldon Adelson, Netanyahu and other Zionist gangsters by withdrawing the US from the Iran nuclear agreement will prove to be detrimental to the entity known as “Israel.” The American people are waking up and comprehending the fact that the entity known as “Israel” is their country’s number one geopolitical liability, a millstone around its neck.

      Here’s an important news report published just prior to Trump’s announcement that received scant attention:

      https://morningconsult.com/2018/05/02/public-support-iran-deal-returns-record-high-ahead-may-12-deadline/

      Morning Consult – Diplomacy:
      “Public Support for Iran Deal Returns to Record High Ahead of May 12 Deadline
      Voters back the agreement by a 30 point margin”

      By Cameron Easley, May 2, 2018

      “56% of poll respondents support the Iran nuclear deal, while 26% oppose it GOP voters are split — 46% for versus 42% against.”

      EXCERPT:
      “With 10 days to go until a deadline for President Donald Trump to decide whether to keep the United States in the Iranian nuclear agreement, public backing for the deal matched a record high in a nationwide poll that also shows net support at its highest level.

      “A Morning Consult/Politico survey — conducted online April 26 to May 1 among 1,991 registered voters — shows 56 percent of respondents back the agreement reached in 2015 between former President Barack Obama, Iranian leaders and the heads of five other countries and the European Union to lift economic sanctions against Iran in exchange for its pledge to halt efforts to develop nuclear weapons. That matches a previous high from an April 2017 poll.

      “Net public support is at a record level — 30 percentage points — in the most recent survey. The share of voters opposing the deal — 26 percent — is at the lowest point since Morning Consult began tracking the topic in August 2015.”

  2. Maghlawatan
    Maghlawatan
    May 9, 2018, 10:44 am

    This abomination delighted Israel , Saudi and the UAE and disgusted everyone else. French Prez Macron spent a lot of time lobbying Trump. So did Merkel. “Fuck you” was the answer.

    Paradoxically Trump’s decision exposes Israel’s weakness. Israel is no longer a bipartisan issue. Israel is now a partisan issue for Trumpist extremists. AIPAC’s nightmare. Partisan issues can be sacrificed in the name of power . Netanyahu is an idiot. He throws away allies Israel may not need now but will in the future.

    We don’t need a Jewish Prussia anyway.

    • eljay
      eljay
      May 9, 2018, 1:01 pm

      || Maghlawatan: This abomination delighted Israel , Saudi and the UAE and disgusted everyone else. French Prez Macron spent a lot of time lobbying Trump. So did Merkel. “Fuck you” was the answer. … ||

      So what, I wonder, are France, Germany, Russia and other countries that support peace with a de-nuclearized Iran going to do about it?

      Will they tell the U.S., Israel and UAE to fuck off so that they can continue to engage with Iran (either per the terms of the existing agreement or, if that’s been scuttled, with their own, new agreement) or will they humble themselves before The Three Stooges?

    • RoHa
      RoHa
      May 9, 2018, 6:50 pm

      Even the Australian government, whose nose is usually wedged in to the root, has managed to mumble about being “disappointed”.

    • CigarGod
      CigarGod
      May 9, 2018, 9:02 pm

      Dude,
      There is a group doing a big victory dance…as we all go to them to finance our military buildups.

      Same as it ever was. ..except all the labor in the world is cheap now.

    • Misterioso
      Misterioso
      May 10, 2018, 10:32 am

      @Maghlawatan, et al

      It’s time to revisit this 2013 video featuring Zionist creeps, Sheldon Adelson and Rabbi Shmuley Boteach.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=9&v=6sCW4IasWXc

      “Sheldon Adelson: ‘Attack Iran with an atomic bomb'”

      “Casino mogul, and donor of millions of dollars to Republican campaigns and hawkish think tanks, Sheldon Adelson on Tuesday suggested that the use of a nuclear weapon against Iran could help end Tehran’s nuclear program once and for all. Adelson was speaking on a panel called ‘Will Jews Exist? Iran, Assimilation and the Threat to Israel and Jewish Survival,’ at Yeshiva University, a private school in New York City. According to video taken and posted by Mondoweiss, Adelson scorned the current talks going on between the international community and Iran as not going nearly far enough to convince Iran not to acquire a nuclear weapon. ‘What are we gonna negotiate about?’ Adelson scoffed, instead offering a much more direct method of convincing Iran to halt its enrichment activities…”

      • G. Seauton
        G. Seauton
        May 10, 2018, 8:31 pm

        Re: Adelson

        Anyone heard of a little town called Stockholm? And if so, have you heard of a place called Chernobyl? Google the distance.

        The distance between Teheran and Tel Aviv is less. So it would be quite stupid for any Jewish supporter of Israel, American or otherwise, to urge dropping nukes on Iran.

        Just saying.

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        May 10, 2018, 10:23 pm

        As long as the wind keeps blowing from West to East, a nuke on Teheran would probably not harm Tel Aviv. Can Israel control the winds?

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        May 11, 2018, 2:43 am

        ‘Will Jews Exist? Iran, Assimilation and the Threat to Israel and Jewish Survival,’

        The alleged threat of Iranian nukes on Israel (which would kill thousands, and perhaps millions) and the alleged threat of assimilation (which kills no-one) are lumped together!

      • eljay
        eljay
        May 11, 2018, 7:43 am

        || RoHa: … The alleged threat of Iranian nukes on Israel (which would kill thousands, and perhaps millions) and the alleged threat of assimilation (which kills no-one) are lumped together! ||

        Both alleged threats are obviously anti-Semitic but assimilation – which represents a choice freely-made – is without a doubt the more-dastardly of the two.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        May 11, 2018, 12:27 pm

        “The alleged threat of Iranian nukes on Israel (which would kill thousands, and perhaps millions) and the alleged threat of assimilation (which kills no-one) are lumped together!”

        I think they most certainly are linked together, “RoHa”. Let me put it this way; if Israel starts nuking people, I don’t think I will be unbuttoning my shirt to expose my Star-of-David medallion when I saunter down the boulevard.

  3. Marnie
    Marnie
    May 9, 2018, 12:06 pm

    “Netanyahu is an idiot. He throws away allies Israel may not need now but will in the future.”

    Of course. He’s tRUMP’s brother from a different mother; tRUMP just shit all over european allies yesterday and the two moron brothers are isolating their respective countries like nobody’s business. Karma is going to be a MF. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth for sure.

    • DaBakr
      DaBakr
      May 11, 2018, 11:52 pm

      Netanyahu had never been stronger, wether you hate him or not.

  4. Maghlawatan
    Maghlawatan
    May 9, 2018, 12:11 pm

    Israel is 7 million indoctrínated Jews with nukes. Israel cannot police the Middle East indefinitely. It can’t maintain its nuke advantage indefinitely. It can’t run apartheid indefinitely.
    Hillel would say “integrate with the locals”. Hillel was really sharp

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      May 9, 2018, 12:20 pm

      “Israel is 7 million indoctrínated Jews with nukes.”

      Hey, don’t leave out us approximately 8-10 million Jews throughout the world who serve as hostages for Israel.

      • May 9, 2018, 1:53 pm

        Yes, but “Mooser,” if you check those binds, you’ll see they’re not very well secured, seems to me all 8-10 million of you (the other millions check out?) could have escaped a long time ago, but chose to stay in the temple.

      • Kaisa of Finland
        Kaisa of Finland
        May 9, 2018, 4:13 pm

        Sorry to interrupt – a bit off the topic – but where is Jared Kushner and his “Middle East peace plan” – the best peace plan ever.. ?? (Or is this breaking the Iran deal part of it..??)

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        May 9, 2018, 7:07 pm

        Hostages? It seems to me that most of them are damned enthusiastic supporters.

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        May 9, 2018, 7:09 pm

        Eh? Kushner? Hang about, Kaisa, I’ll look. I haven’t seen him for a while, but I’m sure he’s somewhere around here.

      • Maghlawatan
        Maghlawatan
        May 10, 2018, 5:43 am

        Kaisa

        Jared Kushner was last seen on Saturday night

      • Kaisa of Finland
        Kaisa of Finland
        May 10, 2018, 10:03 am

        Magh:

        If there is something Trump has done, he has definately inspired lots of “Saturday evening entertainment..”

      • Kaisa of Finland
        Kaisa of Finland
        May 10, 2018, 10:08 am

        And I am still awaiting for this to be “materialized”..

        “The Mideast Peace Plan Is Nearly Finished..”

        https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/11/us/politics/trump-middle-east-peace-plan.html

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        May 10, 2018, 8:22 pm

        “Hostages? It seems to me that most of them are damned enthusiastic supporters.”

        They may be enthusiastic supporters, but they are still hostage to Israel’s actions.

      • Kathleen
        Kathleen
        May 11, 2018, 1:46 am

        Kaisa of Finland. Appears Israel is moving their agenda forward via Kushners so called “middle east plan” Move embassy, shut down Iran deal. Saudi Arabia got their arms deal sided with Israel against Iran deal. Not looking promising.

        https://www.politico.com/story/2018/05/10/pompeo-middle-east-jerusalem-embassy-582226

      • May 11, 2018, 10:26 am

        Mooser: “They may be enthusiastic supporters, but they are still hostage to Israel’s actions.”

        Took you how many days to come up w that lame answer?

        Your uncleverest.

      • May 11, 2018, 10:29 am

        In a way, “Mooser,” since cleverness is your thing, you are unquestionably the cleverest hasbarist of all.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        May 11, 2018, 11:56 am

        “Took you how many days to come up w that lame answer?”

        The “cleverest hasbarist of all” had to ask his Chef Rabbi about it.

      • gamal
        gamal
        May 11, 2018, 12:28 pm

        “The “cleverest hasbarist of all” had to ask his Chef Rabbi”

        I know you get an encomium even when being flamed, blessed art thou amongst the sons of Hasbara, did you feel as we went through the looking glass and Iran fired on Israel from Jabal Tonkin, or was it Wadi Maine…

      • Kaisa of Finland
        Kaisa of Finland
        May 11, 2018, 1:03 pm

        Kathleen:

        So they dropped that PEACE out of their plan..

  5. Citizen
    Citizen
    May 9, 2018, 12:15 pm

    By the time our cable TV news shows start discussing why we always rubber-stamp Israel and follow Netanyahu’s script, first laid down by PNAC in the late 1990s, we will already be in a war with Iran, a war spreading fast to WW3. The only real issue will be will the military draft be resurrected and if so, will women also be required to register.

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      May 9, 2018, 4:45 pm

      “The only real issue will be will the military draft be resurrected”

      Well, if recruiting stations are overwhelmed by American citizens and citizenettes 18-26 yrs old eager to fight for Trump, it won’t be necessary.

    • CigarGod
      CigarGod
      May 9, 2018, 9:05 pm

      It won’t be a draft this time.
      Everybody goes.
      The plan has been tested for decades in Israel.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        May 10, 2018, 6:07 pm

        “Everybody goes.”

        They don’t call it the “Selective Service ” system for no reason.

  6. Maghlawatan
    Maghlawatan
    May 9, 2018, 12:53 pm

    Singer, Adelson and Marcus bring the Protocols to life.
    But maybe there is no cause for excitement.

    EJ Dionne

    @EJDionne

    ·

    “This idea — “‘Repeal without Replace’ is the thread that ties @realDonaldTrump foreign policy to his domestic policy” — is brilliant, Richard. It defines the word “reckless.” ”

    Richard N. Haass

    @RichardHaass

    ““Repeal without Replace” is the thread that ties @realDonaldTrump foreign policy to his domestic policy. It risks doing to the world what it has done to health care here at home. Costs will go up while problems mount. It is a question of when not if a crisis results.”

    Israel can get short term wins but it has no long term answers to anything.

  7. Kay24
    Kay24
    May 9, 2018, 1:52 pm

    These two repulsive creatures have so much in common – they are both under serious investigations with their family members, are conceited jackasses, and are known for unprecedented, and shameful lies. They are also hated around the world.

    If we were able to follow the money, perhaps it might show whether just like Russia, those shekels found it’s way into Trump’s campaign coffers, at least we know that Adelson gave Trump millions of dollars, in exchange for giving the zionists Jerusalem all gift wrapped. Jared has predictably failed as the big time peace maker, but he certainly achieved a lot for the zionist homeland. Trump is showering the zionists with unwavering love and more.

    This US/Israel/Saudi/UAE collaboration is deadly, and things are going to get a lot worse for the ME region. Iran is being targeted by these war criminals, and they will use any excuse to fulfill their evil intentions. It seems Netanyahu and Donny keeps trying to convince the world that Iran is evil, but it we know exactly who the dangerous troublemakers are. A few experts have already said that they feel this feels like the build up to the Iraq invasion.

    • Kay24
      Kay24
      May 9, 2018, 5:47 pm
      • Xpat
        Xpat
        May 9, 2018, 9:45 pm

        Thank you! excellent post by Juan Cole.

      • Marnie
        Marnie
        May 10, 2018, 8:11 am

        Like Solomon supposedly said, ‘there is nothing new under the sun’. The selective memories of american leadership is unreal. The war hawks of 2002 are still in control and apparently haven’t have enough death and destruction in this part of the world to satiate them. Hypocrites and liars.

        CNN’s Phil Mudd Tears Into Senators’ ‘Collective Amnesia … – YouTube

      • MHughes976
        MHughes976
        May 10, 2018, 10:39 am

        Koheleth rather than Solomon, who was more of a believer in divine progress

  8. Ossinev
    Ossinev
    May 9, 2018, 2:13 pm

    Leaving aside the Iran existential threat second Holocaust etc crap paranoia which the Yahoo has whipped up to distract from his corruption charges and his desperation to be seen as the greatest ever defender of Zioland in the face of the wannabee Liebermans,Bennetts and Shakeds of Zioworld I believe that there is a deep and basic racism which is now rampant amongst Zios in Israel and abroad.Sadly what the last year has revealed is that this is clearly shared by the nutjob Trump , Republicans in general and a broad swathe of the US electorate.

    Yes they will hold their noses and suck up to the Saudis and UAE on Zioland`s behalf ( my enemy`s enemy etc) and also grab any business and easy money this brings with it but the bottom line is that they see all Muslims be they Sunni,Shiite or of whatever variation as being “filthy uncivilised Arabs” who don`t know what`s best for them and need to be kept under a tight control. That applies be they Iranians(Persians) , Syrians,Lebanese ,Malaysians or Indonesians.

    All of the above of course presupposes that America is the only “superpower” in the world and the assumption that this status will not change – a large proportion of Republican Americans believe that Russia,China and India are simply also rans whose views are irrelevant.

    A lot of brown stuff will be hitting the Republican fan in the very near future.

    • CigarGod
      CigarGod
      May 9, 2018, 9:09 pm

      “A lot of brown stuff will be hitting the Republican fan in the very near future.”
      Yeah, it will all be Lefty Brown tho.
      A civil war won without firing a shot because the left has no guns…and they don’t know how to take them off safety anyway.
      Whole civilizations will be downsized…gotta keep those profits up.

      • Maghlawatan
        Maghlawatan
        May 9, 2018, 10:36 pm

        Trump is playing Jenga with the US economy via tax cuts and the spending cuts used to pay for them. The 1%:is out of control. The Fed has no way of targeting inflation given all the debt in the system. The debt load as %:GDP in 2008 was higher than in the depression.
        Today it is even higher.

        Fiat money may collapse within the next decade. The dollar isnt backed by anything..Singer and Adelson are fully invested in a doomed asset bubble.

  9. Maghlawatan
    Maghlawatan
    May 9, 2018, 4:34 pm

    On the face of it, Israel looks powerful. Trump backing., some of the richest people in the US behind it, nukes.
    But Iran has more creatives,  more top class chefs, more top notch engineers. Long run Israel has no chance. It doesnt have enough people.  It wastes too much money on the settlers. And militarism means it takes too many risks.

    The Temple was razed twice in ancient history for the same reason Israel will be trashed in the future- the definition of who is Jewish is too narrow. There will always be more Egyptians, Iranians , iraqis, Sunni and Shia.

    The Druze have survived in the region for over a thousand years without nukes and without Congress. Zionism is actually pathetic.

    • CigarGod
      CigarGod
      May 9, 2018, 9:15 pm

      No way.
      Financiers will pay for the expansion.
      It’s a major growth opportunity.
      You think Trump doesn’t know where the money is…Hitler did.

    • DaBakr
      DaBakr
      May 10, 2018, 4:12 pm

      @m
      More wishful guessing. It’s been repeated ad nauseam for over 100yrs.

    • RoHa
      RoHa
      May 10, 2018, 8:28 pm

      “But Iran has … more top class chefs…”

      I’m not sure that will have the Israelis quaking in their boots.

      But those Iranian chefs would probably not insult the Japanese PM.

      • DaBakr
        DaBakr
        May 12, 2018, 12:01 am

        Whatever Iran has or doesn’t have it won’t be realized or optimized until the tyrannical mullah regime loses its absolute grip on power. The biggest international news about Iran is they allowed one of their filmmakers to attend the Cannes festival to receive his honour for great film making. The mullahs are scared to death.

      • Maghlawatan
        Maghlawatan
        May 12, 2018, 2:04 pm

        The fascist rabbis in Israel do more damage than the mullahs.

  10. Kay24
    Kay24
    May 9, 2018, 6:44 pm

    CNN just reported that apparently Israel claims Iran fired rockets into the Golan Heights.

    False flag?

    • Tuyzentfloot
      Tuyzentfloot
      May 10, 2018, 3:01 am

      Kay24 says:

      CNN just reported that apparently Israel claims Iran fired rockets into the Golan Heights.

      False flag?

      Not at all. A restrained response from Iran after many attacks from Israel. Golan is still Syrian territory which underscores the restraint. The Guardian describes the situation as Israeli retaliation because they’re fine with that. Mainstream doesn’t really do ‘adversarial journalism’.

      • MHughes976
        MHughes976
        May 10, 2018, 10:47 am

        We have to a bit sceptical about ‘rockets, all intercepted, fired at Golan’. Similar statements about Gaza were unreliable. Not necessarily incredulous, but sceptical. It’s all been well planned, I think. Israel is politicised, ie is influencing Trump in a manner hard to conceal. But the outbreak of military action will surely result in the usual stampede among political leaders to declare their suppprt, probably in near the same breath as some voice their hugely ineffectual regrets about the abandoned Iranian deal,

  11. May 9, 2018, 7:27 pm

    “All of those who have sought to undermine the agreement by spreading fear and misinformation about it will bear their share of the culpability,” – J Street.

    I guess we should hold J Street culpable for Zionisms excesses.

    Hard to ignore Israel’s involvement in the many wars/conflicts/massacres in the middle East – they are either bombing Arabs or providing cover or intelligence to others to do the same.

    USA, Israel, and the Saudis (which includes their ugly cousin the UAE) against the world.

  12. wondering jew
    wondering jew
    May 9, 2018, 10:14 pm

    I voted for Hillary who would have continued the treaty. This move is dangerous.

    I do not view Iran as an innocent player. It is ruled by imams and that doesn’t impress me. But iran is far ahead of the arab world. The Arabs led the world til the mongol invasion. Their downward slide is what, 700 years old? Farsi is a foreign language to me compared to arabic, which is a first cousin to hebrew, which has been hibernating until recently reawakened.

    The Arab spring stalled. Sisi in egypt. Iraq struggling. Syria ceded to hezbollah and Iran and russia. The Gulf states, what to make of Obama bowing to the head of Saudi Arabia.

    I don’t blame Judah magnes. That is the way to avoid this mess, opt against statehood.

    Geopolitics uses the term existential when they mean: this is the business that we have chosen: power. Iran stepping into Syria is a major chess move. Israel’s army opposes this move. How nukes, trump and Europe plus economic problems will effect Iran’s revolutionary guard and iran’s rural versus urban population, it could take some time to play out.

    ( separate question: is long range US policy undercut by breaking a promise?)

    • eljay
      eljay
      May 10, 2018, 8:36 am

      || Yonah Fredman: … Iran stepping into Syria is a major chess move. … ||

      The imagery is vivid: Iran quietly plays chess while the U.S. – goaded by Israel – roars and stomps and plays Godzilla.

    • May 10, 2018, 6:49 pm

      Compare Iran to Israel – in the last 70 or so years Israel has invaded Lebanon, Syria, Egypt and Jordan and stolen Palestinian lands. They have hundreds of nuclear weapons and violated over 70 UN resolutions.

      Iran has NOT invaded any country in that same period – has NO nuclear weapons and has been honouring UN resolutions on suspending its nuclear enrichment program.

      • wondering jew
        wondering jew
        May 10, 2018, 9:30 pm

        LHunter- It is a knee-jerk response to tell me how Israel is worse. Great.

        I don’t think that a long term view of iran, say 200 years from now will look kindly on the subversion and repression and troublemakers who rule iran, the imams and their madrasas. Maybe your view is that the imams will bury America like khruschev promised. I don’t think so.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        May 10, 2018, 9:58 pm

        “Maybe your view is that the imams will bury America like khruschev promised. I don’t think so.”

        No jerk in your genu, “Yonah”. BTW When did Khrushchev get promoted to imam in Iran?

      • Maghlawatan
        Maghlawatan
        May 10, 2018, 11:40 pm

        Yonah
        Iran has the mullahs. Israel has the rabbis.
        The big losers are the women..

      • Jackdaw
        Jackdaw
        May 11, 2018, 1:09 am

        @LHunter

        Compare Iran to Israel.

        Okay.
        Iran was a brutal dictatorship before it became a brutal theocracy.

      • eljay
        eljay
        May 11, 2018, 7:37 am

        || Yonah Fredman: … I don’t think that a long term view of iran, say 200 years from now will look kindly on the subversion and repression and troublemakers who rule iran … ||

        The long-term view of “Jewish State”, say a Thousand Years! from now (if not sooner) will not look kindly on the ethnic cleansing, oppression, colonialism, (war) crimes and troublemakers who rule “Jewish State”.

        But don’t let that stop you Zionists from continuing anti-Semitically to conflate “Jewish State” with all Jews. Nothing bad could possibly come of that.

      • May 11, 2018, 9:03 am

        Jackduh – okay – Israel currently enforces a murderous occupation and a brutal system of apartheid because of the virulent racism of Zionists.

        How are the Jews of Iran doing?

        https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/irans-jews-on-life-inside-israels-enemy-state-we-feel-secure-and-happy-a6934931.html

        http://www.dw.com/en/jewish-life-in-iran-was-always-better-than-in-europe/a-38847143

      • eljay
        eljay
        May 11, 2018, 9:49 am

        || Jackdaw: … Compare Iran to Israel. … ||

        There’s no need to compare them. I’m sure we can all agree that:
        – both countries are bad;
        – neither country should be “singled out”; and, so,
        – both countries should be de-nuclearized, subjected to regular inspections, threatened with harsh sanctions and/or military intervention, and held accountable for their actions.

      • Kathleen
        Kathleen
        May 11, 2018, 7:36 pm

        Israel has undermined U.S. national security far more than Iran. Iran signed the Non Proliferation Treaty. Israel has not. Israel has hundreds of nuclear weapons, Iran does not. Israel will not open up to international inspections. Israel has not

        Iran signed the chemical weapons treaty Israel has not.

        https://unispal.un.org/DPA/DPR/unispal.nsf/0/A5C0A50B3758F94185256DBE00669749

        nternational Atomic Energy Agency
        GENERAL CONFERENCE
        Item 22 of the provisional agenda
        (GC(47)/1)

        ISRAELI NUCLEAR CAPABILITIES AND THREAT

        On 5 June 2003, the Secretariat received a request from Arab States that are members of the Agency, as forwarded by the Ambassador of the Sultanate of Oman, addressed to the President of the 47th regular session of the General Conference, for the inclusion of an item entitled “Israeli nuclear capabilities and threat” in the agenda of the 47th regular session of the General Conference.

        The letter from the Ambassador of the Sultanate of Oman and the accompanying explanatory memorandum relating to the inclusion of this item, are attached hereto.

        Text of letter received on 5 June 2003 from the
        Ambassador of the Sultanate of Oman

        On behalf of the Arab States that are members of the International Atomic Energy Agency (the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan, the United Arab Emirates, the Republic of Tunisia, the Republic of Algeria, the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, the Republic of Sudan, the State of Qatar, the Syrian Arab Republic, the Sultanate of Oman (observer), the State of Kuwait, the Republic of Lebanon, the Libyan Arab Jamahiriya, the Kingdom of Morocco, the Arab Republic of Egypt, the Republic of Yemen and Palestine (observer), I have the honour to forward to you their request you to kindly include an item entitled “Israeli nuclear capabilities and threat” in the agenda of the forty-seventh session of the Agency’s General Conference.

        The explanatory memorandum relating to the request for inclusion of the above-mentioned item is attached.

        It will be highly apprecia ted if all necessary steps are taken in this regard.

        Yours sincerely,

    • RoHa
      RoHa
      May 11, 2018, 12:11 am

      “I voted for Hillary who would have continued the treaty.”

      Maybe. If she hadn’t already started a war with Russia, she, too, would have faced the demands of the Zionists. I’ve never heard of her resisting.

      Interesting article about US duplicity towards Iran.

      http://www.middleeasteye.net/columns/why-death-america-1729770438

    • May 11, 2018, 1:00 am

      Yonah

      Kinda like your knee jerkier reaction to this article and my comment – you’ve jerked twice thus far and there’s no telling when it will stop.

      I think i know whats going on – Are you being clever by demonstrating we’re alike, you and me? ,

  13. Maghlawatan
    Maghlawatan
    May 10, 2018, 2:10 am

    Israel is a pilot fish. It needs a shark.
    Trump is a shark. He is also an idiot.

    https://www.brookings.edu/blog/order-from-chaos/2018/05/09/after-dumping-the-nuclear-deal-trump-has-no-strategy-for-iran

  14. inbound39
    inbound39
    May 10, 2018, 3:20 am

    I think it’s great…… Bibi has exposed Israel naked before the world as the great meddler in US Politics. And Trump swaggered into Bibi’s trap and swallowed it hook line and sinker and destroyed America’s global cred in one swoop. America has no way back and its stuck with Israel as its only ally now. Israel immediately attacked Iranian targets yet only drew 20 missiles from Iran so Israel is clearly the aggressor/ Next will come Trump committing American troops and pilots and Americans will die and not Israeli’s. Trump is thick as two planks,

  15. Ossinev
    Ossinev
    May 10, 2018, 5:43 am

    @YF
    “I do not view Iran as an innocent player. It is ruled by imams and that doesn’t impress me”

    Presumably you are impressed by Zioland which is ruled by a pathological liar and seriously impressed by America which is ruled by his puppet an infantile moron.

  16. Ossinev
    Ossinev
    May 10, 2018, 6:26 am

    I wonder what the odds are now on a Zio triple whammy ?
    1) US Embassy moved to Jerusalem
    2) Dickhead Donald takes US out of Iran P5 + 1 Treaty
    3)?The Zios take over the Al Aqsa compound
    https://electronicintifada.net/content/these-are-israeli-leaders-who-want-destroy-al-aqsa/21166

    • Mayhem
      Mayhem
      May 10, 2018, 8:45 am

      @Ossinev, spreading fake news that there is a real threat to Al Aqsa when the utterances of extremist settlers hold no political weight. Your fear-mongering just highlights your preparedness to make inflammatory remarks that support an extremist anti-Israel position.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        May 11, 2018, 12:40 pm

        ” the utterances of extremist settlers hold no political weight” “Mayhem”

        Yeah, you bet. Israel wouldn’t do a thing for settlers. And nobody likes them, and everybody wonders how they got there.

    • DaBakr
      DaBakr
      May 12, 2018, 6:03 pm

      Obama did not sign a “treaty” . He made a non-binding agreement by bypassing Congress. No future US president would have been bound either by law or credibility to stay in what Obama himself called the ‘best bad deal’ .
      Israel has controlled territory around the mosque since 67. The most opportune time to have “taken” the temple mount from Muslims would have been then. We didn’t. And, we’ve made no moves since to take any religious rights away from the waqf. Security restrictions are applied when and if needed and the only issue has been muslims objecting to any Jewish presence on the mount and the denial that there is an ancient connection between the Jews and the sight of the Temple

  17. Mayhem
    Mayhem
    May 10, 2018, 8:36 am

    “suddenly the world was less safe”
    Philip willfully ignores the bellicose moves being made by Iran to establish a powerful hegemony in the Middle East connected all the way through Syria into Lebanon where its terrorist proxy Hezbollah operates. There has been no de-escalation of the military threat posed by Iran since 2015, in fact we have seen the opposite.
    Iran needed to be curtailed and it took Trump to acknowledge the fraud of the JCPOA and impose sanctions on a dangerous regime that has been going about de-stablising the region in its own militaristic, nefarious interests.

    • Misterioso
      Misterioso
      May 10, 2018, 11:27 am

      @Mayhem

      Bullcrap!!!!

      In fact, as any reasonably well informed person knows full well, the “dangerous regime that has been going about de-stabilising the region in its own militaristic, nefarious interests” is the entity known as “Israel,” the region’s well documented, racist, fascistic, expansionist, illegal/brutal occupier and serial violator of hard won international humanitarian law.

      • Mayhem
        Mayhem
        May 10, 2018, 7:06 pm

        @Misterioso, who has established military bases in Yemen and Syria? Who is undermining the stability of Lebanon? Does Israel have any military bases on foreign soil? You can only view the world it seems through your hate of Israel, oblivious to the full picture.

      • Maghlawatan
        Maghlawatan
        May 10, 2018, 11:44 pm

        Mayhem

        A very good point. Israel has no foreign bases because it has no friends . It has to deal with all threats before they come within rocket range. The nukes guarantee safety. But if Iran is next door and develops nukes Israel is vulnerable.

      • Jackdaw
        Jackdaw
        May 11, 2018, 1:05 am

        @mister 0

        Your response to Mayhem is as inadequate, as it is childish.

        You’ve got nothing.

      • DaBakr
        DaBakr
        May 12, 2018, 6:08 pm

        @mg

        You may want to recheck your statement that Israel has no friends. You may not like Israel’s friends but it doesn’t mean there are none.

    • May 11, 2018, 9:32 am

      Iran is surrounded by US military bases despite never having fired a forward shot in centuries. They would be strategic idiots if they didn’t start making friends and establishing some military might in the region – after all they have been messed with by the US for decades. But a lazy minded wimp like you wouldn’t spend the time to research the history of US Iran relations.

      Israel is a US military base – funded by the US with US weaponry and intelligence. It has started wars of aggression against all its neighbour’s and in at least one incident it has bit the hand that feeds it. Israel is beholden to the US for its existence – crying wolf at every opportunity. How long will this continue is the big question and one that should keep you up at night.

      Israel is by far a more despicable nation than Iran but your lust for supremacy won’t allow you to see this.

      Mayhem do you believe Jews are superior to others because they are Jewish? That you and Jackduh and the other Zio stooges are choosen to sit above the rest of us? Or do you believe in equality – universal human rights?

  18. shaun patrick
    shaun patrick
    May 10, 2018, 8:50 am

    Trump and Netanyahu both govern by sowing fear and hate. When Trump first spoke out about the Iran deal the only thing he knew was that it was Obama’s signature foreign policy accomplishment therefore it had to be scrapped and now he has succeeded in destroying Obama’s legacy and like Netanyahu also an Obama hater he couldn’t care less about the consequences.
    Israel is on a path of self destruction as no society built on violence and hate have ever survived. No one foresaw the collapse of the USSR or the rise of China.
    Throughout history Jewish people have suffered and when history is written people will point at Netanyahu as the man who made sure the suffering continues.
    As for Trump he has totally destroyed America’s credibility and it will take a generation for this too return
    Finally there is not a snowball in hell’s chance that North Korea will give up it’s nukes.
    Trump and Netanyahu will learn the meaning of the Chinese proverb which says” when you dig a grave for your enemy dig another for yourself.”

    • Misterioso
      Misterioso
      May 10, 2018, 11:30 am

      @shaun patrick

      We can be certain that Trump has never read the nuclear agreement with Iran.

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      May 10, 2018, 4:55 pm

      ” Finally there is not a snowball in hell’s chance that North Korea will give up it’s nukes.”

      Nor will Trump, even at South Korea’s urging, remove US troops and US nuclear missiles from Korea.

  19. JimMichie
    JimMichie
    May 10, 2018, 9:44 am

    ” . . yesterday was one of the most depressing days”? I much prefer “yesterday was one of the most disgusting and outrageous days”!

    “Democrats will have to take on Israel and the lobby”? REALLY! And forego all of those $$$millions Israel continues to stuff in their campaign coffers? Please, let’s not dare to hold our breaths for this to happen!

    ” . . the politics are now so envenomed”? How about “the politics are now so poisoned,” Phil.

    Also not mentioned in this piece is Saudi Arabia’s role in this blatantly insane violation of Iran’s no-nukes agreement, with the Saudis now joined at the hip with madman Netanyahu–and, of course, with madman Trump as well!

    • May 10, 2018, 6:53 pm

      Agreed – the vile Saudis are intimately involved in all this madness and destruction

  20. Ossinev
    Ossinev
    May 10, 2018, 10:45 am

    @Mayhem
    “@Ossinev, spreading fake news that there is a real threat to Al Aqsa when the utterances of extremist settlers hold no political weight. Your fear-mongering just highlights your preparedness to make inflammatory remarks that support an extremist anti-Israel position”

    Thank God ( Yawweh /Allah/Krisnah/Adelson whatever/whoever) you didn`t accuse me of Anti- Semitism just Anti -Israel Postionism. I will sleep more soundly in my bed tonight.
    BTW What part of the following do you consider to be “fake news”

    https://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/Israeli-Settlers-and-Soldiers-Take-Over-Al-Aqsa-Mosque-Compound-20180405-0012.html

  21. Maghlawatan
    Maghlawatan
    May 10, 2018, 11:51 am

    The 2 big takeaways from this are
    1. Trump’s word means nothing. He has zero credibility
    2. There is no strategy other than Repeal.

    Israel has the ear of POTUS who is a clown

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/may/08/iran-deal-trump-withdraw-us-latest-news-nuclear-agreement

    May 8, 2018

    “The decision represents a rejection of repeated, concerted entreaties by Washington’s European allies to keep faith with the nuclear deal. Trump made his announcement a day after the UK foreign secretary Boris Johnson, returned home after an abortive round of last-minute lobbying for the JCPOA in Washington.
    The French president, Emmanuel Macron, and Germany’s chancellor, Angela Merkel, had come to the White House in the weeks before. Their failure to sway Trump was a striking measure of how little influence Europe has on this White House, which has sided instead with Israel, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates on a major strategic decision.”

    Suzanne Maloney

    @MaloneySuzanne

    ·

    10h

    My take on the US decision to dismantle the JCPOA: After dumping the nuclear deal, Trump has no strategy for Iran

     https://www.brookings.edu/blog/order-from-chaos/2018/05/09/after-dumping-the-nuclear-deal-trump-has-no-strategy-for-iran/

  22. genesto
    genesto
    May 10, 2018, 1:01 pm

    ‘Resistance means calling out Netanyahu and his neoconservative allies. It means identifying Israel’s very non-existential interest in destroying the Iran deal: because Iran and Hezbollah are a threat to its regional hegemony.’

    In right-wing Zio world, EVERYTHING is an existential threat!

  23. gamal
    gamal
    May 10, 2018, 2:19 pm

    Some shocking admissions and hardly adequate excuses offered by Max Blumenthal at MOA for his previous positions re Syria.

    Do you not think

    “didn’t take a serious look at what was actually going on”

    should be the motto for American observers of the Arab World, or the Empire in general.

    “Yes, Max “didn’t take a serious look at what was actually going on” in Syria. And didn’t for five more years. He began writing for Al Akhbar in Lebanon in July, 2011. As a journalist, he was obligated to inform himself about what was happening before writing about it. Syrian police and military had already been massacred by then. Post office workers had been thrown to their deaths from the roof because they were “government supporters.” The violence of the “protesters” was even being reported in Israeli newspapers.

    He says he “didn’t think it was going to become, you know, the 7-year devastating conflict that it became.” That is apparent. Libya was already descending into the F-UK-US “Mission Accomplished” with NATO bombers warming up to finish the job. Perhaps Max’s dad had assured him that Syria would follow the same pattern his emails with Hillary Clinton show he had helped plan and define in Libya.

    BTW: Has he ever addressed his father’s role in the destruction of the once most prosperous country on the African continent? I haven’t read or heard anything from Max on Syd Blumenthal’s pre-Qaddafi “removal” explanation that Libya had to be destroyed to:

    Steal their nationalized oil.
    Confiscate the hundreds of tons of gold and silver Libya held.
    Prevent Libya from establishing a gold-backed currency and pan-African development bank to compete with the US petro-dollar and IMF, and lift Africa out of neo-colonial subservience.
    Yeah. Max was “pretty quiet on Libya and not really – didn’t really make any coherent statements on that either.”

    That newspaper that Max publicly maligned and quit (“grandstanding” as he now says) “had taken an anti-imperialist agenda.” Did that paper ever reject any articles Max wrote defending “the Syrian revolution”? I didn’t think so. Who had “an agenda”? Because it sure sounds like it was Max who was so focused on his new book release and two upcoming book tours that at the least he abandoned journalistic values. Or did he fear that “being associated” with a paper that also published articles critical of “the revolution” could hurt book sales?

    After all, he thought it was all going to be over soon anyway”

    http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/05/blumenthal-norton-khalek-the-turncoats-deliver-a-poor-excuse-by-daniel.html#more

  24. Keith
    Keith
    May 10, 2018, 6:03 pm

    PHIL- “There are now two Wests. One, led by the leaders of Germany, France + UK, which believes in liberal democracy and international law,” Peter Beinart writes. “And a second, headquartered in Washington + Jerusalem, which holds those values in contempt.”

    Beinart may be softening his Zionism, however, his support for empire remains strong. “Liberal democracy?” There is nothing “liberal” about capitalist “democracy” where money and financial power rules supreme. As for international law, the entire imperial West holds international law in contempt, something to be used to justify war against the weak, but flouted by the strong.

    One can never honestly discuss the reality of power and geopolitics using the imagery of imperial mythology. Virtually all of the 1% have utter contempt for justice and the rule of law for the 99%.

  25. wondering jew
    wondering jew
    May 10, 2018, 9:34 pm

    You people who voted for Trump or gave him half a vote by not voting for Hillary have a lot of gall to be upset when trump fulfills a campaign promise.

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      May 10, 2018, 10:01 pm

      “You people who voted for Trump…”

      You figure you can reach a lot of Trump voters in the Mondo comment section, “yonah”? Or did you have someone in particular in mind?

    • DaBakr
      DaBakr
      May 12, 2018, 6:26 pm

      Are there supposedly a lot of trump voters on this board? But I do agree, trump will get no credit for fulfilling a campaign promise. The liberal leaning msm won’t give trump credit for anything he might accomplish as long as there are pissing hookers and contract breaking money grubbers around. The US liberal scene has turned into the most uptight, prim, sexually repressed scolds since the Victorian era.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        May 12, 2018, 8:38 pm

        ” The US liberal scene has turned into the most uptight, prim, sexually repressed scolds since the Victorian era.”

        Yeah, next those liberals will be promulgating Laws of Family Purity, and recommending a more invasive way of controlling a man’s morality.

  26. Kathleen
    Kathleen
    May 11, 2018, 12:30 am

    Matthews not screwing around this time (yes stood up to neocons in the run up to invasion of Iraq but did not have those questioning validity of intelligence on his program before the invasion) He seems to be hitting harder this time. Sad to say this time. Chris has pounded them twice this week.

    Chris Matthews on Trump pulling out of Iran deal
    http://www.msnbc.com/hardball/watch/matthews-the-war-hawks-are-back-and-they-re-targeting-iran-1230531139585?cid=sm_npd_ms_fb_hb

  27. hophmi
    hophmi
    May 11, 2018, 11:41 am

    Shorter Phil Weiss: Blame the Jews!

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      May 11, 2018, 12:07 pm

      “Shorter Phil Weiss: Blame the Jews!”

      You are just impossible to please, “Hophmi”.
      Here is Phil Weiss writing about us as a ‘people’ a ‘nation’ a self determining group, with agency, power and resources which can pursue its agenda all over the globe at the highest levels and in the media. And all you do is complain. Isn’t this the kind of engagement Zionism requires the Jewish people to have with the world?

      And what is this “blame” all about? Aren’t we getting everything we want, and more from Trump and Nettenyahoo? And if the US gets involved in a war on Iran, why shouldn’t we get the credit?

    • eljay
      eljay
      May 11, 2018, 12:22 pm

      || hophmi: Shorter Phil Weiss: Blame the Jews! ||

      Typical hophmi: Scream anti-Semitism! while anti-Semitically conflating Israel with all Jews.

      • DaBakr
        DaBakr
        May 12, 2018, 6:29 pm

        @e
        Conflation with the vast majority of jews would be accurate. (Though I know some here take issue with the definition of’vast’. But keep trying to separate Israel from Jews and see how it works out. I understand that JVP has got a very full bank account and more members then ever.
        (I am aware you believe being jewish is a choice or a form of brainwashing, not an ethnic or national identity )

      • eljay
        eljay
        May 12, 2018, 8:11 pm

        || @aak: @e
        Conflation with the vast majority of jews would be accurate. (Though I know some here take issue with the definition of’vast’. But keep trying to separate Israel from Jews and see how it works out. …. ||

        It may be that the vast majority of Jews are Zionists, but Zionists routinely anti-Semitically conflate all Jews with their their supremacist ideology and its “Jewish State” construct.

        I don’t want or try to separate Israel from Jewish and non-Jewish Israelis (incl. refugees). It’s their country.

        || … I am aware you believe being jewish is a choice or a form of brainwashing … ||

        Jewish is a religion-based identity and a choice. Zionism is a form of brainwashing.

    • annie
      annie
      May 11, 2018, 12:48 pm

      phil, “There’s no doubt whose fingerprints are all over this action: the Israeli government and its lobby.”

      hophmi: “Blame the Jews!”

      it’s hops who can’t see the distinction, an intended consequence of hasbara. little jewish soldiers one and all marching to the steps of the Israeli government and its lobby — he probably sees himself as one of those little jewish soldiers. addled antisemitic brain can’t break loose from the ties that bind he therefore assumes others are unable to free themselves of same group think.

    • RoHa
      RoHa
      May 11, 2018, 7:54 pm

      Hophmi, if “the Jews” did something wrong, them we should blame them.

      If they didn’t do anything wrong, then you should show this, and correct Phil’s misapprehensions.

Leave a Reply