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There is an often-quoted passage by James Baldwin about the effect of America’s original sin of white supremacy on his family members.

His enigmatic and provoking thought is,

But it is not permissible that the authors of devastation should also be innocent. It is the innocence which constitutes the crime.

James Baldwin, 1963

Baldwin’s passage expresses outrage that African-Americans are controlled by a ruthless and comprehensive system that is nonetheless mostly imperceptible to whites.

The passage makes me think of the epithet “Good German,” used for those who should have known what monstrosities were done in their name, and should have resisted rather than acquiesced.

His call to consciousness and thoughtfulness of one’s place in a system of oppression broadens, when reading the passage in its setting in the essay “My Dungeon Shook”:

I know what the world has done to my brother and how narrowly he has survived it.  And I know, which is much worse, and this is the crime of which I accuse my country and my countrymen, and for which neither I nor time nor history will ever forgive them, that they have destroyed and are destroying hundreds of thousands of lives and do not know it and do not want to know it. One can be, indeed one must strive to become, tough and philosophical concerning destruction and death, for this is what most of mankind has been best at since we have heard of man.  (But remember: most of mankind is not all of mankind.)  But it is not permissible that the authors of devastation should also be innocent.  It is the innocence which constitutes the crime. [Emphasis added.]

Baldwin’s essay is in the form of a letter to his young namesake nephew, first published in the The Progressive in 1962, and expanded in the book The Fire Next Time (1963). He advises engagement, to help white Americans from their “innocence.”

The really terrible thing, old buddy, is that you must accept them.  And I mean that very seriously. You must accept them and accept them with love. For these innocent people have no other hope. They are, in effect, still trapped in a history which they do not understand; and until they understand it, they cannot be released from it.

Baldwin says of white Americans,

They have had to believe for so many years, and for innumerable reasons, that black men are inferior to white men. Many of them, indeed, know better, but, as you will discover, people find it very difficult to act on what they know. To act is to be committed, and to be committed is to be in danger. In this case, the danger, in the minds of most white Americans, is the loss of identity.

The resonance here for this Jew is double: applying Baldwin’s sensibility to Jews as “authors of devastation” of Palestinian Arabs — and the fact that a strong motivator for silence about Israel is to remain in the Jewish group.

The reproach to Code Pink’s Ariel Gold, as she was deported from Israel, was that she is a “Jewish woman trying to take advantage of that fact for the worse,” to speak for decent treatment of Arabs.  Showing that one’s standing as a Jew is conditional on adherence to the oppressor’s side.

We can see a parallel to Baldwin’s description of white supremacist belief — “that black men are inferior to white men” — in Zionist belief and practice.

In Palestine, since the beginning of Zionist settlement, there has been a flavor of domination, and Jews teaching “lessons” to the natives that we can see today as the IDF bombs Gaza.

In 1882 the proto-Zionist movement Bilu was founded in Russia, and one of its members (Ze’ev Dubnow) wrote,

The aim of our journey is rich in plans. We want to conquer Palestine and return to the Jews the political independence stolen from them two thousand years ago. And if it is willed, it is no dream. We must establish agricultural settlements, factories, and industry. We must develop industry and put it into Jewish hands. And above all, we must give young people military training and provide them with weapons. Then will the glorious day come, as prophesied by Isaiah in his promise of the restoration of Israel. With their weapons in their hands, the Jews will declare that they are the  masters of  their ancient homeland. [BILU, Encyclopedia Judaica]

Henrietta Szold made a visit to Palestine in 1915, and reported in the American Jewish Year Book on the creation of the Jewish Shomerim to replace local guards of Jewish colonies, “a self-constituted and self-governed company of Jewish youths, revolver-armed, most of them noted for zeal and ebullient enthusiasm”:

The situation offers redoubtable openings on both sides, and there have been a few bloody, even fatal encounters between the two nationalities. The general impression is that the Shomerim are innocent of aggression; they have gone to extremes only in self-defense. Besides insuring the safety of Jewish property, Ha-Shomer has raised the dignity of the Jew in the eyes of his Arab neighbors.

In an ideology where our persecution is unique, our blamelessness at the start makes every following action decent. A principle of intimidation is central to the project. Szold shows early Jewish militia teaching Arabs respect by Jewish “self-defense.”

(By 1925, Henrietta Szold joined Martin Buber and others in the Brit Shalom movement, and later co-founded the Ihud movement, rejecting aspirations for Jewish domination and control of Palestine.  She is best known for founding Hadassah, the Women’s Zionist Organization of America, in 1912, to provide health care in Palestine.)

The subsequent Jewish militias, such as the Irgun — which took part in the Nakba and then was folded into the IDF — continued the process of “raising the dignity of the Jew in the eyes of his Arab neighbors.”

Vladimir Jabotinsky, who founded the Irgun and favored the principle of extra-legal retaliation for crimes against Jews, and extensive terroristic violence against British soldiers, Arab civilians, and even Jews, for the cause of Jewish rule, is considered part of the pantheon of Israeli heroes.

Zionist action figures. “A must-have for the Jewish living room and office, for the Zionists, Israelis, history enthusiasts, and action figure collectors!” – Judaica.com

The intensive system of Israeli surveillance, control and retribution in which occupied territory Arabs live has continuity with the system of military rule that Arab citizens of Israel lived under until 1966.

Israeli society is formed around implanting a Jewish commonwealth protected by Jabotinsky’s “Iron Wall” from Arabs, a wall refreshed by Israel’s new Nation State law.

Jabotinsky wrote in 1923,

Except for those who were born blind, they realised long ago that it is utterly impossible to obtain the voluntary consent of the Palestine Arabs for converting “Palestine” from an Arab country into a country with a Jewish majority…

Zionist  colonisation  must  either  stop,  or  else  proceed  regardless  of  the  native population. Which  means that it  can  proceed  and  develop  only  under  the  protection  of a  power  that  is  independent  of  the  native  population  –  behind  an  iron  wall,  which  the native  population  cannot  breach.

The Jewish Israeli populace has been trained for a hundred years that retaliation is the key to survival, with a fortress mentality against people whose language, culture and memory are weapons as fearsome as their arms.

Some American Jews are fully participatory in the Zionist tale of “building our homeland.”

For Jews, to recognize the system of Jewish supremacy in Palestine is absolutely necessary, but painful.

Some, in Baldwin’s phrase, know better, but find it very difficult to act on what they know.

”To act is to be committed, and to be committed is to be in danger.”

 

 

About Abba Solomon

Abba A. Solomon is the author of “The Speech, and Its Context: Jacob Blaustein's Speech ‘The Meaning of Palestine Partition to American Jews.’” His website is abbasolomon.com

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  1. wondering jew
    wondering jew
    July 25, 2018, 1:13 pm

    It will take many voices of various sorts to move the Jewish people in a more positive direction concerning their attitude towards the Palestinians. There is no guarantee that history will allow everyone time to grow into responsibility and thoughtfulness and presence of mind, one cannot predict the pace of history.
    meanwhile in regards to responsibility thoughtfulness and presence of mind vis a vis the palestinians, I suspect that this is not a reasonable expectation given human nature, but obviously we must encourage these traits.
    i think thoughtfulness will include a history lesson that teaches different lessons to different people and thus the diversity to which i referred.

    • eljay
      eljay
      July 25, 2018, 2:12 pm

      || Yonah Fredman: It will take many voices of various sorts to move the Jewish people in a more positive direction concerning their attitude towards the Palestinians. There is no guarantee that history will allow everyone time to grow into responsibility and thoughtfulness and presence of mind, one cannot predict the pace of history. … ||

      Individual Jews are individuals, free to act as individuals. The blame lies with each Jewish supremacist (Zionist) – and not with insufficient “voices” or too slow a “pace of history” – for choosing to continue to advocate, support, defend and/or engage in their preferred brand of oppression, colonialism, (war) criminality and supremacism.

      • eljay
        eljay
        July 25, 2018, 2:25 pm

        Your cop-out is as lame as blaming insufficient “voices” or too slow a “pace of history” – rather than anti-Semites – for the continued existence of anti-Semitism.

      • oldgeezer
        oldgeezer
        July 25, 2018, 5:46 pm

        @eljay

        I guess what’s really needed is for the rest of us to come to grips with zionist victimhood and provide support for the oppression of the Palestinians until zionist victims can, at some future point in time if ever, change their minds.

        Screw the malevolent zionists who perpetrate crimes upon the Palestinians. Screw the malevolent zionists and their supporters who support these crimes or seek to avoid confronting them.

      • eljay
        eljay
        July 26, 2018, 7:38 am

        || oldgeezer: @eljay

        I guess what’s really needed is for the rest of us to come to grips with zionist victimhood … ||

        According to y.f., it’s not Jewish Zionist victimhood – it’s the victimhood of ALL Jews (“the Jewish people”).

        I find it curious that Zionists routinely do what would earn a non-Jew an instant accusation of anti-Semitism – namely:
        – conflate all Jews with Zionism and Zionism with all Jews; and
        – strip Jews of their individuality by lumping them into a single “the Jews” (or “the Jewish people”) entity.

    • Talkback
      Talkback
      July 27, 2018, 5:36 am

      Yonah: “It will take many voices of various sorts to move the Jewish people in a more positive direction concerning their attitude towards the Palestinians.”

      How about introducing them to the concept of equality. Do you think that it will take 70 years more to fully understand and apply it? Meanwhile the Palestinians can hold their hands as long as they won’t get killed or expelled.

  2. Mooser
    Mooser
    July 25, 2018, 1:56 pm

    “It will take many voices of various sorts to move the Jewish people in a more positive direction concerning their attitude towards the Palestinians.”

    Necessity or untenability will have absolutely no part to play in it. When have necessities or exigencies played any part in Jewish history? No need to think in those terms. No trauma ‘long us, baby!

    If “criminal innocence” was a felony, your picture would be in every Post Office, “Yonah”

  3. guyn
    guyn
    July 25, 2018, 5:16 pm

    “In 1882 the proto-Zionist movement Bilu was founded in Russia, and one of its members (Ze’ev Dubnow) wrote: We must develop industry and put it into Jewish hands. And above all, we must give young people military training and provide them with weapons. Then will the glorious day come, as prophesied by Isaiah in his promise of the restoration of Israel.”

    That’s what they do in Russia in those years and the result was the destruction of the order and the bolchevik reign with all its horrors.

  4. JLewisDickerson
    JLewisDickerson
    July 25, 2018, 5:31 pm

    RE: In Palestine, since the beginning of Zionist settlement, there has been a flavor of domination, and Jews teaching “lessons” to the natives that we can see today as the IDF bombs Gaza. ~ Abba Solomon

    ■ PAINTING: Benjamin Hawkins, portrayed on his plantation, teaches Creek people to use European technology. Painted in 1805.
    SOURCE – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Hawkins

    ■ MAP: The Loss of the Remaining Creek Indian Territory
    SOURCE – https://www.bigcanoenews.com/news/news-col1/columns/6447-the-loss-of-the-remaining-creek-indian-territory

    EXCERPT: . . . On July 10, 1771, Governor Wright sailed for England, on a leave of absence, and James Habersham was named by the King to act in his place, with the title of president…

    . . . On June 1, 1773, shortly after Governor Wright’s return to Georgia, he went to Augusta, where he held a conference with the Chiefs of the Creeks and Cherokees, and obtained a tract of land containing 2,100,000 acres, in payment, of a debt of between 50,000 pounds and 60,000 pounds, due by the Indians to the traders. . .

    . . . In order to attract settlers to this new territory, Governor Wright issued a proclamation that the territory would be parcelled out in tracts varying from 100 to 1,000 acres, at very moderate terms. In conformity with His Majesty’s instructions, 100 acres was to be sold to the Master or head of a family, fifty acres additional for the wife and each child, and the same number of acres for each slave owned and brought in by the purchaser. The Master was also allowed to purchase 50 acres for each able bodied white man-servant, and 25 acres for every woman servant between the ages of fifteen and forty. This was known as the Head Rights System. To afford protection for these settlers, Fort James was built at the confluence of the Savannah and Broad rivers. Its stockade was an acre in extent, and enclosed officers’ quarters and barracks for the garrison . . .

    SOURCE – “A Family History: Wright-Lewis-Moore and Connected Families-Early Settlers, Greene County, Georgia” (page 7) — https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/37818508_10215983316792399_4671265027368419328_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=eb81a9cf3fd29da03fafa8df9dc18754&oe=5BD5D0EC

  5. Marnie
    Marnie
    July 25, 2018, 11:41 pm

    So far it seems the only jewish voices heard protesting the apartheid ‘state of israel’ are on these pages and the ones that have jumped the buses on the birthright tours. Where is the action?

    “I cannot understand anti-abortion arguments that centre on the sanctity of life. As a species we’ve fairly comprehensively demonstrated that we don’t believe in the sanctity of life. The shrugging acceptance of war, famine, epidemic, pain and life-long poverty shows us that, whatever we tell ourselves, we’ve made only the most feeble of efforts to really treat human life as sacred.”

    ― Caitlin Moran, How to Be a Woman

    • ArleneJohnson
      ArleneJohnson
      July 27, 2018, 12:41 pm

      Most Jews don’t think that the Palestinian people are human. And they are also taught this in Israeli schools. I devoted an edition to the Palestinian people. It’s at http://www.truedemocracy.net/td-10/index.html where all of this is documented. This is why the Israeli military carry out the action that they do.

      Peace,

      Arlene Johnson
      Publisher/Author
      http://www.truedemocracy.net
      To access the rest of my work, click on the icon that says Magazine.

  6. RoHa
    RoHa
    July 26, 2018, 2:50 am

    What a modest map in the illustration! It seems to be just Palestine and TransJordan. What happened to the Nile-to-Euphrates ambition?

    • Talkback
      Talkback
      July 26, 2018, 9:44 am

      The ambition was upgraded:
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yinon_Plan

    • Misterioso
      Misterioso
      July 26, 2018, 10:54 am

      For the record:

      Early Zionist leaders saw their envisioned future Jewish state in Palestine not only free of Arabs, but also the first step towards the creation of a much larger country.

      Theodor Herzl’s diaries not only confirm that his objective was the establishment of a “Jewish state” in Palestine, but that it would be an expansionist state. In the year of his death he described its borders as being “…in the north the mountains facing Cappadocia [Turkey], in the south, the Suez Canal [Egypt] in the east, the Euphrates [Iraq].” (Theodor Herzl, The Complete Diaries, 11 p. 711)

      Even more revealing as to how Herzl intended to deal with Palestinians is the “Charter for Zionist Colonization of Palestine and Syria” which he drafted sometime between the summer of 1901 and early 1902. Much to his disappointment, however, he was denied the opportunity to present it to the Ottoman Sultanate. Article Vl of the charter called for Istanbul to grant the Zionists, in the form of the Jewish-Ottoman Land Company (JOLC), “complete autonomy, guaranteed by the Ottoman Empire” while Article III gave them in effect, the right to deport the native population to other areas of the empire. Article 111 “[pertained] to the Palestinian and other Arab owners and inhabitants of the three categories of land to be purchased/owned by the JOLC – the large and small private landholdings, the Sultan’s state domain, and the land for which there is no title.”

      In 1918, Ben-Gurion described the future borders of the Jewish state as: “to the north, the Litani River; to the northeast, the Wadi’Owja, twenty miles south of Damascus; the southern border will be mobile and pushed into the Sinai at least up to Wadi al-`Arish; and to the east, the Syrian Desert, including the furthest edge of Transjordan.” (Teveth, Ben-Gurion and the Palestinian Arabs, pp. 34-34; cited by Nur Masalah, Expulsion of the Palestinians, …, p. 87)

      • Maghlawatan
        Maghlawatan
        July 26, 2018, 1:01 pm

        The early Zionist thugs were not farmers. They were middlemen, traders, financiers. They did not understand peasants.

        Jews have no problem moving around . The network is big . They assumed the Palestinians would leave As they would.
        But the Palestinians are not Jews . And after 19 48 they did not leave . All Israeli plans assumed they would.
        IsraeL has just dumped democracy because of this mistake.
        Whiskey Tango Foxtrot

  7. Marnie
    Marnie
    July 26, 2018, 10:09 am

    “The aim of our journey is rich in plans. We want to conquer Palestine and return to the Jews the political independence stolen from them two thousand years ago. And if it is willed, it is no dream. We must establish agricultural settlements, factories, and industry. We must develop industry and put it into Jewish hands. And above all, we must give young people military training and provide them with weapons. Then will the glorious day come, as prophesied by Isaiah in his promise of the restoration of Israel. With their weapons in their hands, the Jews will declare that they are the masters of their ancient homeland. [BILU, Encyclopedia Judaica]”

    If the palestinians had only known what was in store for them, what would they have done? I thought the same thing about the indigenous tribes of north america, had they known what was really in the hearts of the europeans (“When the colonists landed at Plymouth in 1620, the Indians did not desert them. A Pemaquid named Somoset and three Wampanoags named Massasoit, Squanto, and Hobomah became self-appointed missionaries to the Pilgrims. (Brown pp. 3) All spoke some broken English, as a result of contact with earlier explorers. The new colonists were viewed as helpless children. The colonists were shown how to fish, and were given corn from the winter store of the Indians. The next Spring, the Indians showed the colonists how to plant corn”) they might have instead decided to kill them all. And why not? Their kindness was repaid with savagery and genocide. The european jewish invaders were probably seen as helpless children also, and the palestinians may have felt they were no threat to them and it would be right to help them if they could. Someone very close to me always use to say how some people who mistake kindness for weakness repay the kindness with various types of abuse because they also believe kindness means stupidity and those they deem to be stupid are deserving of the fate they dish out.

  8. amigo
    amigo
    July 26, 2018, 12:55 pm

    Zionists are forever complaining that Hamas does not wear a uniform and stand out in the open versus hiding among civilians and using them as human shields.

    Let,s take a look at Jewish terrorism and their MO vis a vis uniforms and hiding amongst civilians.

    1,
    Not only did the Lehi terror group not wear uniforms , they wrote a song in which they brag about it.The first stanza is clear regarding the absence of uniforms and the second stanza refers to falling in the streets and Homes. Hiding among civilians in other words and using them as human shields.

    1st stanza

    Anonymous soldiers, we are here without uniforms
    And fright and fear of death surround us
    We have all joined for life
    Only death will release us from our duty’

    2nd stanza

    If we will fall in the streets and the homes
    They will bury us silently at night
    In our places thousands of others will come
    To fight and to conquer, forever.

    One of zionism,s most obvious characteristics is Hypocracy.

    • Xpat
      Xpat
      July 27, 2018, 10:37 pm

      The anthems of both Lehi and Etsel (the ideological parents of Netanyahu and the Israeli Right wing) are obsessed with dying for the cause. The death wish continues to animate much of Israel’s actions. Death is still celebrated and serenaded in many Israeli songs and rituals. Hamas’ anthem is bloodthirsty as one would expect from an armed resistance but its focus is on achieving its goals not in dying for them.

      • echinococcus
        echinococcus
        July 28, 2018, 12:18 am

        Exactly! And this brings us back to the fact that the ideologically reliable Zionists, who may well be the majority judging from their advanced collective madness, will commit collective suicide rather than making any serious concessions. That’s so inconvenient to recognize for all the 2-state-or-1-state peaceful compromise people.

  9. wondering jew
    wondering jew
    July 26, 2018, 3:22 pm

    The original sin of Israel is analogous to white America’s relationship to the “indians” aka native americans. Because of the current role of blacks in the working class (and underclass, although i haven’t seen that term in a while) and the role of Palestinians (aka Arabs) in the Israeli economy the comparison to the black versus white struggle in America is preferred rather than the more obvious comparison to Whites versus indigenous in the Americas.

    The fact that the indigenous were defeated, decimated and genocided with nary a real consequence in real terms contributes to the preference for the black versus white struggle as the analogy of choice.

    James Baldwin is second only to Malcolm X in representing eloquence and anger in the struggle of the 60’s. The fact that he spent so much of his life overseas does in fact detract from his reputation as a fighter, but nonetheless his voice and words deserve attention.

    Thank you for including this passage:
    The really terrible thing, old buddy, is that you must accept them. And I mean that very seriously. You must accept them and accept them with love. For these innocent people have no other hope. They are, in effect, still trapped in a history which they do not understand; and until they understand it, they cannot be released from it.

    nary a word on this passage will you find here in the amen corner of mw, where they know how to amen scorn and anger, but god forbid a passage like this might even be referred to here.

    watch the scoff.

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      July 26, 2018, 3:52 pm

      “watch the scoff.”

      Poor “Yonah”. ‘Still trapped in a history which he does not understand’.

    • Marnie
      Marnie
      July 27, 2018, 12:09 am

      @yonah
      “The fact that he spent so much of his life overseas does in fact detract from his reputation as a fighter, but nonetheless his voice and words deserve attention.”

      The fact that he was a black man living in america should have given you enough pause that you wouldn’t have written anything so stupid, but thanks for unmasking completely and letting me see the full yonah. A$$.

    • wondering jew
      wondering jew
      July 27, 2018, 12:27 am

      Though the labor regarding the cotton trade was essential to the southern US economy for a period of years in the 19th century, there is nothing essential about the African slave trade, meaning that white settlers overrunning indigenous territories is the essence of what occurred in the USA and that the flow of people out of europe to various destinations: South Africa, Australia, the Americas, was the major plot line in the story of the birth of the USA and one can imagine an America without an African slave trade, but the very story of America is the story of white settlers kicking the indigenous off the land.

      Palestinians have every right to anger at the arrival of the Zionist Jews who had in mind to take over their land. (The analogy with the American story is rather precise. Differences: 1. ancient land claim and 2. extremity of the need to emigrate.) Since the Zionists took the land and kicked them out (a large portion out), the response, “we’re going to take it back and kick them out” seems perfectly human and symmetrical.

      Once a yehudi sees himself as a yehudi and sees the yehudi future tied to the specific geographic location indicated by the word Israel, the perfectly human symmetrical Palestinian response is an existential threat.

      A zero sum game is not natural to the competing interests of blacks and whites in America. (Unless one views the competition between capital and labor as a zero sum game.) Due to the victory of the white man over the red man, a zero sum game has already occurred and it is sealed in the history books. A zero sum game seems to be perfectly human in the conflict in Palestine-Israel.

      To attempt to construct a future despite the zero sum game ideologies that lurk in the background is a challenge, a challenge that will require leaps of recognition and responsibility.

      Baldwin describes a human circumstance that required daring and honesty. In that respect the Palestinian versus yehudi (zionist) is also a human circumstance that demands daring and honesty and a few other traits. But a historically accurate representation of the situation is also necessary.

      • annie
        annie
        July 27, 2018, 12:47 am

        A zero sum game seems to be perfectly human in the conflict in Palestine-Israel.

        perfectly human? no, it is not “perfectly” human, it is inhumane.

        Palestinian versus yehudi (zionist)

        oh, so now this “yehudi” means zionist now does it.

      • Marnie
        Marnie
        July 27, 2018, 2:10 am

        FFS yonah, get your a$$ out of the spin zone and quit with the newspeak already. To see oneself as yehudi is not what you described at all.

        “Yehuda – In Hebrew the meaning of the name Yehuda is: Praised.
        Yehudi – In Hebrew the meaning of the name Yehudi is: Praise. The praised one.

        Hebrew Meaning:

        The name Yehuda is a Hebrew baby name. In Hebrew the meaning of the name Yehuda is: Praised.

        Numerology
        SoulUrge Number: 9
        People with this name have a deep inner desire to serve humanity and to give to others by sharing money, knowledge and experience, or creative and artistic ability.”
        http://www.sheknows.com/baby-names/name/yehudi
        http://www.sheknows.com/baby-names/name/yehuda

        Does not mean ‘zionist’ except in your imagination.

        Zionist = A$$HOLE – in every language I’m sure.

      • eljay
        eljay
        July 27, 2018, 9:07 am

        || Yonah Fredman: … Palestinians have every right to anger at the arrival of the Zionist Jews who had in mind to take over their land. … ||

        But to a Jewish supremacist (Zionist) like you, the Palestinians’ anger doesn’t invalidate the Zionist Jews’ “right” to take over that land.

        || … Once a yehudi sees himself as a yehudi and sees the yehudi future tied to the specific geographic location indicated by the word Israel … ||

        …he needs to give his head a good shake to clear it of this supremacist delusion.

        || … the Palestinian versus yehudi (zionist) … ||

        The Palestinian versus the Jewish supremacist (Zionist). Because – contrary to your horribly anti-Semitic assertion – not all Jews are supremacists.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        July 27, 2018, 11:18 am

        ” You must accept them and accept them with love.”

        “Yonah”, are you trying to say Mondo doesn’t love you enough?

      • wondering jew
        wondering jew
        July 27, 2018, 11:34 am

        Annie: my use of brackets was not meant to convey a synonym, but to specify a certain segment of yehudis.

  10. JimMichie
    JimMichie
    July 27, 2018, 12:24 pm

    Please suffer this Gentile to state that defeating daily Zionist brutality, racism, genocide, ethnic cleansing, land theft, fascism and terrorism exacted continuously on Palestine and its people for the past 60 years can only be accomplished by Jews around the world breaking their willful silence and condemning Zionism! There is absolutely nothing, NOTHING, Jewish about the horrific persecution of Palestinians by the accursed Zionists who cloak themselves in the Star of David!

    • echinococcus
      echinococcus
      July 27, 2018, 3:26 pm

      Michie,

      … can only be accomplished by Jews around the world breaking their willful silence and condemning Zionism!

      “Only”? They’re an itty-bitty, teeny-weeny minority around the world, and an especially refractory one, at that. If anything gets done about Zionism, it won’t get done by such a minority –and it won’t be done by just “condemning”, either, to judge by how it’s all going.

      I know, reading the mainstream media, or this excellent web site, too, may well leave one with the impression that they are a large majority.

  11. Mooser
    Mooser
    July 27, 2018, 12:28 pm

    ” my use of brackets was not meant to convey a synonym, but to specify a certain segment of yehudis.” “Yonah Fredman”

    And convey a nearly mathematical precision to your analysis.

  12. JimMichie
    JimMichie
    July 27, 2018, 1:28 pm

    Oh yes! And let’s also contemplate the number of fairies that dance on the head of a pin, while the accursed brutal, racist, genocidal, ethnic cleansing, land stealing, fascist, terrorist Zionists continue their barbaric persecution of Palestine and its people! Mondoweiss recently posted the piece, “Hasbara is Dead”! So why not let it “rest in hell”!

  13. echinococcus
    echinococcus
    July 27, 2018, 3:09 pm

    Solomon,

    Unrelated to the general drift of your otherwise very nice paper, who’re you calling “Arabs”?

    Erez Jisraël just happened to get invaded by Mauretanians and Omanis while the Urjudäaner were jes mindin their own business, is the first impression.

    Whenever you’re quoting verbatim from a Zionist shit, of course it’s OK to use the exact words, but where do you get off using Zionese yourself, instead of human language? Speaking Zionese is never a trivial thing because it reinforces the perfectly calculated continuous propaganda in the heads of all of us.

    Once more, the fact that Palestinians are Arabs (= speak Arabic as a mother tongue) is no more relevant to any discussion than belonging to the Homo sapiens species being sufficient for a Patagonian driver’s license. Palestinians might well have spoken Aramaic or Greek, how would that change anything? There is a reason for indigenous inhabitants, i.e. owners of Palestine being called “Palestinians”.

    Do we have to repeat it tomorrow, too?

    • abbasolomon
      abbasolomon
      July 27, 2018, 10:14 pm

      echinococcus, thank you, a worthy point.

    • Talkback
      Talkback
      July 28, 2018, 7:57 am

      In Zionese they are called “Arabs” to obscure the fact that the Apartheid policy inherently build in Zionism targets Nonjews and that it’s just a reversal of a racist policy that targets or targeted Jews.

      That’s why I call them Nonjews. It doesn’t matter if they are “Arabs” or “Palestinians”.

      • echinococcus
        echinococcus
        July 28, 2018, 9:57 am

        Talkback,

        Not all “Nonjews” (plain American English word is “Goys”) are the legitimate owners of Palestine.

        It’s not only a question of racial supremacism (where you are right, of course.) There is the legal part of it, viz that the Zionists have not yet managed to disappear the owners of the land that they are squatting and of the sovereignty thereupon.

      • Talkback
        Talkback
        July 28, 2018, 1:09 pm

        Context, echi! My first claim was that “they” are called “Arabs” in Zionese. Do you think that I was refering to all Nonjews?!

  14. DaBakr
    DaBakr
    July 28, 2018, 2:48 pm

    Had Baldwin wrote more or lived longer there is a chance he might have turned his focus to the thousands of Arab, Muslim and African slave traders that made their own fortunes on the greed of European slave traders. In fact, there was no difference between any. Procurer, Hunter, jailer selector, negotiator, company owner, buyers. They were all part of a huge pre-order industrial system of labour that, if it had its roots specifically in race, there is little taught about it in western education. Basically it’s: the US southern whites were the last semi educated industrialized nation on earth to still embrace legal slavery. (And even that isn’t true) The US shame lies in the theories of race and black folks developed long after the first slaves arrived and only meant to justify the continuation of human ownership.
    . As for white guilt, white collective guilt and other such notions. Other then those long dead and others specifically known to espouse putrid views of race Baldwin is edging closely towards the same type of collective of Russian communism, totalitarianism and collectivism. The concept of race is already inherently ridiculous and only the policies of the last 150yrs in the US and a handful of satellite islands as well as Australia and some of Europe have kept it in the forefront of social policy.
    . In the US, it is more likely that a card carrying dixiecrat , bars and stars white dude has more African blood in his dna then your average southern Heritage black person. Add in the crush of mixed marriage with Latino, assorted white, Jewish(lol @ejay) northern wasp and other assorted genetic and racial backgrounds the construct of race becomes even more muddied (and muddied is EXACTLY what the premier jew hating groups worry about. Kkk, Aryan nation, others claim Jews are mud people as a basis for them to stay ‘pure’. It’s a huge joke and wasting time debating the debutant spencer or anybody claiming racial superiority should submit to a public genetic DNA test before proceeding.

    And while Baldwin will remain an important light in American papers and lit, I would say the second and third quoted paragraphs of his would eventually apply just as much to him and his nephew. If people on the far left want to proceed with identity politics, intersectionality and so forth they are going to have to accept some VERY inconvenient truths about the history of American whites and their so-called collective guilt, the origins of slavery in the US, who profited both nationally and internationally. What supposed.’racial’ groups first sought Africans as slaves. It could go on and on but the left has chosen to embrace only the truths that back up their limited causes. They don’t want to know what they don’t want to know. How can you target an enemy if your the enemy? Zionism had been the most generous boon to the so-called progressive far left since ’48. It excuses them from being branded jew haters, replaces jew hating with hyper focused anti zionism. But that subject, Jewish innocence is too far fetched to even try to connect to Baldwin. Baldwin’s experience of his world does not compare to the experience of Jews, collectively from the Roman Empire to present.

    But, I really like the map pictured on top. Finally, a map that DOESN’T lie in showing what the Palestinian mandate was before 70% of it was ripped off after the white paper and given to pussy ass loser hashemite clan INSTEAD of giving it to the 80% local Arabs (who may or may not have gone on to identify as palestinian Arabs. It’s doubtful though since Palestinian was mostly used to refer to Jews.

    Imagine if this map were the reality. I would be fairly certain there would be two very active nations on two contiguous parcels of land. An Arab nation and a Jewish nation. A bygone fantasy as is most history. And btw: just because there were a few extremist Jewish groups that advocated for the entire mandate of Palestine as Israel they were highly marginalized. And before ww2 I would imagine less then half of european Jews didn’t know much about the maps. Jerusalem? Yes, they all knew but the Zionist leaders were always prepared to accept less then the extreme factions advocated

    • Keith
      Keith
      July 28, 2018, 4:18 pm

      DABAKR- “Baldwin’s experience of his world does not compare to the experience of Jews, collectively from the Roman Empire to present.”

      Perhaps that explains why there are so few Black currency speculators and hedge fund managers?

      • Talkback
        Talkback
        July 29, 2018, 2:59 am

        ROFL. And slave traders.

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      July 28, 2018, 5:51 pm

      “DaBakr” is tweaking again.

    • RoHa
      RoHa
      July 29, 2018, 12:32 am

      “but the Zionist leaders were always prepared to accept less then the extreme factions advocated”

      But the gang leaders were always prepared to steal less then the extreme factions advocated.

      Pretty faint praise.

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