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The New York Times just ran a column by Shmuel Rosner calling for Palestine to become part of Jordan in order for Palestinians to obtain political rights. The column includes several swipes at Palestinians as lesser to Israeli Jews, and needing to be separated from Israel:

Since 1967, Israel hasn’t been able to identify a Palestinian leadership that can be trusted to keep the peace and maintain order…. And so it has always hoped that Israel’s eventual separation from Palestinians will include a guarantee of — to put it bluntly — adult supervision.

Why does the Times have this guy in its stable?  The anti-Palestinian racist viewpoint is adequately represented by Bret Stephens and Thomas Friedman, but they also write about other things— Stephens wants a war with Iran, for instance and doesn’t like Trump. He and Gail Collins have adorable Resistance lovefests sometimes.  Thomas Friedman loves CEO’s and austerity and war and occasionally even says something sensible about global warming.

But all Rosner does is talk about Israel from a far right perspective.

Back in May Rosner said that the slaughter of 60 Palestinians that week at the Gaza border was for their own good:

I believe Israel’s current policy toward Gaza ultimately benefits not only Israel but also the Palestinians. Of course, it does not benefit the Palestinians who dream about “returning,” or in other words, about eliminating Israel. But it is the only way forward for those who have more realistic expectations.

Four years ago during the 2014 Gaza slaughter, he expressed narcissistic contempt for liberal American Jews who were critical of the onslaught that killed more than 500 children.

On matters of life and death, war and peace, Israelis are going to make their own decisions. If they lose the support of some liberal Jews over it, that would be regrettable, but so be it.

Does the Times and its readers really need a columnist whose only role is propagandist for this particular country?

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  1. pabelmont
    pabelmont
    September 23, 2018, 12:38 pm

    Why does NYT give space to such trash?

    I guess the NYT feels it must (if under pressure; or if not under pressure ardently desires to ) placate the Zionist far-right. In short, it is part of the long-evolved mechanism of manufactured consent in the USA and it matters little if at all whether the pressure (on NYT) to promote far-right Zionism (but by now all Zionism, in my book, is far right, because it admires and excuses apartheid and mass expulsion and casual killing) comes from internal passions or beliefs (say from the owners) or from advertisers or golfing buddies or as a price for access to USA bigwigs — or anything else.

    In effect, NYT is a part of Israel’s propaganda arm, whether or not paid to be so by Israel.

    American democracy and a free press always allowed for partisanship, propaganda, and a vile press.

    So it goes.

    • JWalters
      JWalters
      September 23, 2018, 8:38 pm

      It’s not just the NYT. The ENTIRE US mainstream media functions as Israel’s propaganda arm. That should be food for serious thought.

      Rosner follows the standard Zionist tactic of completely omitting the Palestinian half of the story and lying about the Israeli half. Mountains of facts are omitted, and half-baked conclusions are put forth sneeringly. There is not the slightest semblance of an honest, objective analysis. His writing would receive an F in a serious history course. He is a smiley face front man for a vicious, criminal enterprise. That’s the only conclusion that fits the entire spectrum of facts.

      • Maghlawatan
        Maghlawatan
        September 24, 2018, 7:23 am

        Rosner is an extremist. He used to write for the Jerusalem Post which is rabid. I don’t think he has been tuned into reality for the last 20 years. Ernie and Bert from the Muppets have more credibility than he does.

        BTW I cannot imagine the NYT giving column space to anyone as ignorant as Rosner in any other field. Would they give a page of science coverage to someone who doesn’t believe in gravity or allow Eminem to write about feminism ? Of course they wouldn’t !!

  2. Cliff
    Cliff
    September 23, 2018, 1:35 pm

    Yes, Donald.

    The answer is yes – it does. And it won’t ever stop.

    They do not care about anything other than the most vulgar pro-Israel perspective.

    The end.

    • Donald
      Donald
      September 23, 2018, 7:26 pm

      And it matters, because like it or not, the majority of Americans are pro Israel and get their news and view of the world from the msm, their favorite politicians or their clergy or some combination. A lot of Americans hate and distrust the NYT because they think it is too liberal. Some think it is too critical of Israel. Liberals tend to like it, except when they think it is too critical of mainstream Democrats like the Clintons. People like us are a minority.

      • echinococcus
        echinococcus
        September 24, 2018, 2:59 am

        and the best way to keep being a small minority is to give in to the blowing wind and compromise with the majority “opinion” on the essential points, in the vain expectation that we would be heard if we did that.

    • Donald
      Donald
      September 23, 2018, 7:36 pm

      “They do not care about anything other than the most vulgar pro-Israel perspective.”

      And that is not actually true. As bad as they are, they could be worse. Their news story on Kenneth Marcus and his attack on Rutgers as antisemitic based on the IHRA definition was reasonably balanced— this upset the pro Israel crowd. Their stories on Corbyn over the summer included two that were surprisingly balanced, though the last one I saw in early September was a piece of crap. The opinion pieces were garbage.

      The NYT feels pressure from both sides. They obviously feel more from the Zionist side, but it isn’t quite as one sided as you say, and since most Americans do not spend time on the internet looking for alternative points of view regarding Israel and Palestine and don’t read books debunking hasbara accounts of the history, it probably is necessary to try pushing back on the press when they show bias, which is most of the time.

      • Cliff
        Cliff
        September 23, 2018, 9:32 pm

        The net result is that the NYT is Pravda for Israel.

        The odd article here or there that isn’t texted to Bari Weiss by her cousins in Ariel is the exception, not the rule.

        The type of people who follow the NYT on this issue aren’t going to be swayed by lukewarm, bland as fuck, both-sides-are-wrong AT BEST type criticism of Israel.

        This is like the NRA and school shootings.

        If the NRA didn’t change after Sandy Hook, it wasn’t ever going to change.

        There have been many massacres of Palestinian civilians.

        And that’s just the overt/in-your-face/can’t-avoid or be obfuscated with some Israeli bimbo selling you soda pop or some other Brand Israel horse-shit type tragedy.

        How many casual violations occur day to day? Things that never make it into the mainstream (but when rockets land on S’Derot, we hear about it all fucking day).

        People in this country cannot tolerate Black people peacefully protesting police brutality by kneeling during the national anthem. These people even go so far as to intentionally misconstrue the protest as being AGAINST ‘THE TROOPS’!

        Americans are fucking stupid. Liberals with their head in the sand are fucking stupid. These liberal are complicit.

        We are in the endgame: Israel runs out the clock, the Western press (America mostly) plays along by blacking out negative coverage, the American intelligentsia also helps Israel, etc. etc. and the Palestinians become ‘warehoused’.

        Its fucking over. EVIL has won.

      • Maghlawatan
        Maghlawatan
        September 24, 2018, 4:35 am

        Cliff,

        Evil hasn’t won because nihilism is not sustainable. It takes too many risks and has to be neutered.

        The NYT started off believing that Israel was the Jewish future. It has persisted with this delusion.

        There is a very interesting Jabotinsky quote :
        • “All of us, all Jews and Zionists of all schools of thought, want the best for the Arabs of Eretz Israel. We do not want to eject even one Arab from either the left or the right bank of the Jordan River. We want them to prosper both economically and culturally. We envision the regime of Jewish Palestine as follows: most of the population will be Jewish, but equal rights for all Arab citizens will not only be guaranteed, they will also be fulfilled.”

        He wrote it perhaps in the 20s. At the time they thought all the Jews would go to Israel but as it turned out the American Jews did not. So the calculations were wrong.

        Jabotinsky is the spiritual father of Likud

        Another great Jabotinsky quote :

        “I do not believe that the constitution of any state ought to include special paragraphs explicitly guaranteeing its “national” character. Rather, I believe that it would better for the constitution if there were fewer of those kinds of paragraphs. The best and most natural way is for the “national” character of the state to be guaranteed by the fact of its having a certain majority.”

        Israel just changed the law to insist that it is a Jewish state and that only Jews have national rights. It is such a sign of weakness because of the demographics. They have no idea what to do.

        So the NYT persisted with the belief of Israel as the Jewish future despite all the gore. Israel is not the Jewish future. They need a new model. The NYT is also lost

        This video is class because it’s based on fractals. Fractals are the same regardless of size or scale . The Zionist fractal is fucked up . It was never good. US Jews are now figuring this out.

  3. lagavulin
    lagavulin
    September 23, 2018, 3:01 pm

    Ten or more years ago this Rosner worked for an Israeli paper, maybe Haaretz. I used to read Haaretz when it was still free, so it was probably there but I’m not absolutely sure.

    Once, he made an interview to a hassidic rabbi who was leaving to join a group in Uruguay. He had also just then published a book on the importance of not intermarrying.

    So I wrote Rosner to ask the rabbi what was the point. I mean, why do you migrate to a country while at the same time denying yourself the possibility of marrying a local? What is the purpose then, to live there isolated from local culture, language, customs and what not?

    Uruguay is a country that originally had almost no natives, and mostly anybody is descendant of European immigrants. And everybody mixes gladly with everybody: Spaniards, Catalans, Basques, Italians, Germans, Swiss, English and even some random American marry happily with everybody else. Origin or race (there are also descendants of African slaves) is not very important, even if the usual social or economic position apply, as usual. A number of Jews came around WWII, and even if not too frequently, they intermarry also.

    So this is the place were this hassidics were, and the rabbi was going … only to abstain from intermixing. Do they really think that the ‘natives’ will not notice this blatant racism after a while? People usually don’t intermarry when they consider themselves above the rest, by some measure. When they consider themselves below or at the same level, where is the problem?

    I asked Rosner to transmit this (and some more) to the rabbi, I was very interested in his answer. But Rosner never got back to me.

    Oh well, probably the rabbi and his tribe of hassidics have long since ‘ascended’ to Israel and my questions will never get answered. As if I didn’t know …

  4. JimMichie
    JimMichie
    September 24, 2018, 8:55 am

    Very good points regarding the two columnists, but Oh, PLEASE, Mondoweiss, can’t you post more about the New York Times and its coverage blackout of the Great March of Return and so many other stories that appear in foreign media and in Electronic Intifada? All of these obvious “omissions” of the human rights crisis in Gaza and the rest of what little remains of Palestine are dictated by NYT Publisher A.G. Sulzberger, Executive Editor Dean Baquet, a person of color who apparently “tolerates” racism in Times coverage of daily human rights violations in Palestine at the hands of brutal, racist, genocidal, ethnic cleansing, fascist, racist Zionist Israel. Why not write about these human rights criminals?

  5. Kay24
    Kay24
    September 24, 2018, 10:39 am

    The New York Times has become part of the Hasbara. This narrative I have seen from the Hasbara trolls, who keep regurgitating the theory that there is no place called Palestine, and they should all go to Jordan. Shame on the NYT for publishing the work of many so called journalists, who are doing the bidding of the zionists, pushing their propaganda, and making the victims look the aggressors. It is also amusing to see their feigned concern for the well being of the Palestinian people. If they genuinely were concerned, they would call for the zionist masters to end the damn occupation, and stop stealing lands. They do not call it them the zionist media for nothing.

  6. dionissis_mitropoulos
    dionissis_mitropoulos
    September 24, 2018, 4:55 pm

    “The New York Times just ran a column by Shmuel Rosner calling for Palestine to become part of Jordan in order for Palestinians to obtain political rights.”

    I have noticed that recently the faux two-staters (i.e. the two staters who want to impose a two state solution without subjecting it to a Palestinian referendum because they know they will get a resounding “no”, given how little is what they offer) are extremely agitated with Trump’s treatment of Abbas. These two-staters are obviously the powers-that-be at the Middle East departments in the Guardian and the NYT, individuals like Olmert and Beilin who recently eulogized Abbas in public, and in general the vast majority of the pro-Israel activism establishment in the US and Europe — the annexationists are a minority that only recently got a windfall with Trump’s election. I don’t know what exactly their fear is (and obviously it has something to do with the likely demise of the two-state solution), but here is a guess that might be answering the question “why did the NYT publish this very right-wing piece from Rosner now“?

    My not-overly-educated guess is the NYT is trying to scare its dedicatedly zionist liberal audience, is trying to remind them that if Abbas is not supported at any cost, then, during cocktail parties, bad anti-Semitic gentiles might be throwing off the cough remarks about Israel being an apartheid state, and the liberal zionists will be distressed because they won’t be able to slap the anti_Semites around with the usual condescending theme “you are naive, Israel is not in Scandinavia, it’s in a tough neighbourhood”.

    I speculate that the NYT uses the hard rightwingedness of Rosner as a scarecrow.

    Which would be very apropos. After all, the dude is morally very ugly.

    • RoHa
      RoHa
      September 24, 2018, 7:36 pm

      “off the cough remarks about Israel being an apartheid state”

      Cough apartheid state cough cough

      Perhaps off the cuff, as well.

      • dionissis_mitropoulos
        dionissis_mitropoulos
        September 24, 2018, 7:55 pm

        RoHa thanks! I knew the spelling but i was writing quickly and it happens to me! I have also gutted Jack the Ripper into “Jack the Reaper” and i have done something worse recently but i can’t remember it now.

  7. RoHa
    RoHa
    September 24, 2018, 11:41 pm

    “‘I have also gutted Jack the Ripper into “Jack the Reaper” ‘

    Jack did quite a bit of gutting as assistant to the Grim Reaper, so he shouldn’t complain about getting the same treatment himself. He probably will, though.

    “and i have done something worse recently but i can’t remember it now.”

    Sure. You stick to that line. It has done good service for many characters who are a lot dodgier than you.

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