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This is the second of several posts based on journal entries from the author’s recent family visit to Israel-Palestine. Part 1 is here.

“The kidnapped Yemenite children”

Arriving at the Hadera train station not far from where most of my family lives, I noticed for the first time that the street which the train station is located is called “the kidnapped Yemenite children” – phonetically translated to English – “Yaldey Teman Hachatufim” (you wouldn’t know it if you don’t speak Hebrew).

This is a reference to the saga of the disappearance of hundreds of non-European babies, mostly Yemenite, in the 1950’s Israel. Many stories follow a similar pattern: the parents, new immigrants who were regarded as primitive by the Zionist-est ablishment European Askenazi Jews, were told that their baby had died in the hospital and they could not see the body, or the baby was already buried. The white-supremacist attitude was expressed in terms such as, “They have many children, they won’t mind.”

Some babies were sold by middle-men for about $5,000 to American Jewish couples, who were told their money would go to the funding of the nascent state.

This episode in the Zionist colonialist venture is still subject to massive societal denial, despite the recent opening of many archives on this. The official claim is that this was not an institutional policy. But there’s a tell-tale sign right there, on the street, in front of the train station.

Amos Oz, in one of his last lectures, lightly and vaguely referred to what was done to the Mizrahi immigrants, and said that it was “not from malice”, but from a “juvenile urge to create a new man”:

They were wronged, egregiously. Not from malice, but (and this I say in parentheses) because of the juvenile urge, which came from the 19th century, to create a new man. A new Jew, a new man – it is wrong to create a new man, don’t ever try it. Anyone who tries to mold humans in order to create a new man or new Jew – it ends up very badly. In the good case – in our case – it ends with an insult to several generations. ‘Excellent human potential, we’ll make them into a new man’. In the bad case, it ends with rivers, streams of blood.

So Oz thought that this was “the good case”. I think that “insult to several generations” doesn’t quite cover it.

Jonathan Ofir in Tel Aviv

In the heart of Tel Aviv

Here I am standing in front of the Israeli military central command and control center, known as the “Kirya,” in the very heart of Tel Aviv, right next to the bustling upscale “Sarona” shopping center.

Israel typically chides Hamas for hiding its military institutions among a civilian population, as justification for its seasonal massacres, in which it regularly obliterates entire families on the pretext of a Hamas member residing there. So it’s a “Hamas command and control center”. This becomes the basis for the general Israeli claim that Hamas uses the Gazan population as “human shields”.

By this logic, anyone targeting the Kirya, should be forgiven for the collateral that might be involved.

Haaretz journalist Amira Hass made this comparison two years ago:

The onslaughts on Gaza have introduced to our world three terms that have no right to exist: proportionate killing, collateral damage and target bank. These terms have become axiomatic beyond question or reflection. How would these axioms work if we sketched out the target bank in the opposite direction? Every home where there’s an Israeli soldier or reservist would be a legitimate target for bombing; the civilians harmed would be collateral damage. Every bank in Israel would be a target because Israeli ministers and generals have accounts there. The neighbors of the police station on Tel Aviv’s Dizengoff Street ought to move because Shin Bet security service officers operate there regularly and the missile might miss and hit a nearby school. Military bases and Shin Bet centers in the heart of civilian neighborhoods – at the Kirya in Tel Aviv, in the Jerusalem neighborhoods of Gilo and Neveh Yaakov, or at the Binyamin Division headquarters near the settlement of Beit El – condemn the neighbors to a proportionate death.

But who is thinking about this in the bustling, modern, and liberal Tel Aviv? Move on, the uninhabitable Gaza is light years away, and the liberal opposition Benny Gantz helped send it to the stone age.

Reflections from the Western Wall

I went with the family to visit the Old City of Jerusalem – al-Quds, the city that Israel calls its ‘united capital’. We went to the Western Wall amongst other religious sites. The photo here is from the women’s side of the plaza. You are seeing an area that allocates about 1/4 of the wall length to women, men get the rest.

It was notable to see the women peeping over the separation wall – as if envying the men’s part which is so big.

I went with my sons (aged 19 and 10) towards the men’s area. My younger son had heard that people put notes of prayer in the wall, so he had a little piece of paper and a pencil with him.

We passed by a military installation with lots of soldiers smack at the center of the plaza. They were preparing for some ceremony a few hours later, a regular feature there.

When we got closer to the wall (about 50 meters) we were stopped by a man who said we had to wear kippas. There was a transparent-plastic box with lots of white kippas marked with inscription of some religious society that provides them. I reached in to get some – but Aske already said he didn’t want to go. Ben didn’t know what it was about. I said that you have to wear this if you want to go in. He felt uncomfortable. He said it was embarrassing. I said that it’s the only way we can go there. Ben thought about his note, paused, and said “It’s OK, I can just draw Donald Duck on it, we don’t have to go”.

So we didn’t go to that wall.

And I tell you, that wall for me, is in many ways a wall of shame. By the way, before the advent of Zionism, the Wall was not considered a proper place for communal Jewish worship. Michael Lesher quotes Rabbi Nathan Lopes Cardozo: “The Kotel was never a synagogue; nor should it ever become one.”

That plaza is a flattened Palestinian neighborhood – the al-Magharibah (Moroccan) quarter. It was ethnically cleansed and flattened over two days in the immediate wake of the 1967 war by Defense Minister Moshe Dayan, Chief of Central Command Uzi Narkis, Military Governor of East Jerusalem Shlomo Lahat (later Tel Aviv Mayor), Jerusalem mayor Teddy Kollek, soldiers and a bunch of private contractors.

It has become a center of Jewish militant chauvinism, as well as a bastion of orthodox gender segregation and discrimination.

We are in Occupied Palestinian Territory, and the whole point of this huge installation is to make you forget that. It’s supposedly all “Jewish”. It has become a place of constant communal prayer – and it is no synagogue, but it has somehow been made into a kind of open-air synagogue on the ruins of a Palestinian neighborhood.

And that’s why there was no reason we should have kippas. My son was right, even if it was just instinctive. This wall is not about religion really. It’s about politics.

Day’s end reflection on the bizarre experience of Palestinians being invisible in Israel

It’s hard to describe. You’re on a family visit, you’re in a place where a massive colonization of Palestine has taken place and continues to take place, and you hardly notice Palestinians or Palestine. You have to struggle for it, like I did even trying to reach Lifta at the outskirts of Jerusalem – al Quds.

It’s not that they’re not there. Just like Lifta is there with its buildings, trees and spring, they are there, but marginalized by Israeli society, so that they do not feature in anything but a peripheral zone. Thus, the Zionist Israeli Jewish society has basically managed to create for itself an illusion of Palestinian non-existence, while allowing Palestinians to exist in isolated ‘pockets’ which allow most Israeli Jews to ignore them.

This construct also means that those who seek to feel liberal, the ‘liberal-Zionists’, can claim an alibi: ‘See – some are still here – we co-exist!’. Those who actively seek to be ‘peaceniks’ can even visit them and meet with them, under the comfort of knowing that they will not endanger the Zionist hegemony, indeed, maybe in order to soothe one’s fear of that ever happening.

But in the everyday life of the Zionist Jewish Israeli, they hardly feature. They are basically concentrated into all kinds of Bantustans: encircled areas in the West Bank; concentration camps like Gaza; villages in ‘Israel proper’. Meanwhile, the Zionist Israeli Jews arrange themselves in localities where they are the vast majority if not exclusively Jewish, and this is especially so in villages, where the village committee can exclude people for being ‘socially unsuitable’, and Palestinians know that they basically always are.

So it’s a virtual reality, and you have to struggle to remember that it’s only virtual. Then you think back on your childhood, and you get that you were brought up with this Golda Meir notion: Palestinians don’t exist. Which leads to the reflection: How easy it is to never move away from this Zionist brainwash. You realise how successful it has been in eradicating Palestinian existence from the Zionist mind, even if Palestinians are still there.

This is a massive venture of dehumanization. And as we know, people who are dehumanized are easier to eradicate completely. But most Israelis think that’s just radical talk. They don’t see the genocidal aspect here. And that’s why being in Israel and seeing it, is a lonely experience.

Jonathan Ofir

Israeli musician, conductor and blogger / writer based in Denmark.

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  1. YoniFalic on May 1, 2019, 9:53 am

    I discussed the kidnapping of Yemeni children and precursor programs in The dark secret of Israel’s stolen babies.

    I wonder whether Ofir has read The Nazi Conscience by Koonz. When I read the book, I saw exactly the mentality that the State of Israel tries to instill in Jewish citizens.

    • JLewisDickerson on May 1, 2019, 12:24 pm

      The Nazi Conscience
      by Claudia Koonz

      The Nazi conscience is not an oxymoron. In fact, the perpetrators of genocide had a powerful sense of right and wrong, based on civic values that exalted the moral righteousness of the ethnic community and denounced outsiders.

      Claudia Koonz’s latest work reveals how racial popularizers developed the infrastructure and rationale for genocide during the so-called normal years before World War II. Her careful reading of the voluminous Nazi writings on race traces the transformation of longtime Nazis’ vulgar anti-Semitism into a racial ideology that seemed credible to the vast majority of ordinary Germans who never joined the Nazi Party. Challenging conventional assumptions about Hitler, Koonz locates the source of his charisma not in his summons to hate, but in his appeal to the collective virtue of his people, the Volk.

      From 1933 to 1939, Nazi public culture was saturated with a blend of racial fear and ethnic pride that Koonz calls ethnic fundamentalism. Ordinary Germans were prepared for wartime atrocities by racial concepts widely disseminated in media not perceived as political: academic research, documentary films, mass-market magazines, racial hygiene and art exhibits, slide lectures, textbooks, and humor. By showing how Germans learned to countenance the everyday persecution of fellow citizens labeled as alien, Koonz makes a major contribution to our understanding of the Holocaust.

      The Nazi Conscience chronicles the chilling saga of a modern state so powerful that it extinguished neighborliness, respect, and, ultimately, compassion for all those banished from the ethnic majority.

      SOURCE –

    • Misterioso on May 2, 2019, 9:57 am

      @YoniFalic, et al

      For the record:

      Once they arrived in Israel the Mizrachim (Arab Jews) were treated little better than animals. Those from Yemen were shorn of their side locks and sprayed with DDT to “disinfect” and “delouse” them and again crammed into unsanitary overcrowded camps.

      The fair-skinned Ashkenazi immigrants, however, were welcomed with open arms as equals and housed in the homes of dispossessed and expelled indigenous Palestinian Arabs. As Soviet immigrants arrived during 1969-70 Prime Minister Golda Meir greeted them at the airport with such statements as: “You are the real Jews. We have been waiting for you for twenty-five years…. You are a superior breed – you will provide us with heroes.” (Quoted by Joseph Massad, Zionism’s Others … Journal of Palestine Studies, Summer 1996, pp. 61-62)

      After a short while the Mizrachi immigrants were ordered to leave the camps and earn their keep by working at menial tasks in nearby large Ashkenazi settlements. Ben-Gurion compared them to the Africans who were brought to America as slaves. (Segev, 1949: The First Israelis … p. 157)

      Israel’s media could be especially cruel to Mizrachi immigrants. On 22 April 1949, Ha’aretz (a liberal Israeli newspaper) published an article by journalist Arye Gelblum in which he described them as “…people whose primitivism is at a peak, whose level of knowledge is one of virtually absolute ignorance, and worse who have little talent for understanding anything intellectual. Generally, they are only slightly better than the general level of the Arabs, Negroes and Berbers in the same regions. In any case, they are at an even lower level than what we knew with regard to the former Arabs of Eretz Yisrael…. These Jews also lack roots in Judaism, as they are totally subordinated to the play of savage and primitive instincts.” (Ha’aretz, 22 April 1949, quoted by Joseph Massad in “Zionism’s Others;” Journal of Palestibe Studies, Vol. XXV, Number 4, Summer 1996, pp. 57-58.)

      The most despicable act perpetrated by the Israeli government was to look the other way while children of Yemenite Jews were kidnapped. Hundreds of Yemeni infants who became ill as a result of the dreadful conditions in the transit camps were taken to hospitals by Israel officials and upon recovery, instead of being returned to their families, they were secretly given up for adoption to childless Ashkenazi couples. The parents, who had been denied hospital visitation rights, were then told their children had died. Many Yemenite parents petitioned the police to investigate the fate of their sons and daughters, but they received no reply and the public did not learn of the loathsome affair until the 1980’s.

      • Mooser on May 2, 2019, 6:43 pm

        My god, Jews did this to other Jews? I just can’t imagine how color and ethnic prejudice would overcome Jewish tribal unity in pursuit of the Zionist project.

  2. jon s on May 1, 2019, 5:12 pm

    On the Yemenite children: Mr Ophir mention the recent opening of many archives.
    Turns out that in those archives no evidence was found of an organized program to abduct and sell children. What happened was tragic but it was mostly chaos, Israeli “balagan”, with a dose of racism.
    On the Westen Wall: in a church you’re expected to remove your hat, in a mosque you remove your shoes, in Jewish worship you cover your head. Those are the customs and we should respect them when visiting those sites. I don’t know why Mr Ophir and sons had a problem with the kippa.

    • annie on May 1, 2019, 5:58 pm

      no evidence was found of an organized program to abduct and sell children.

      ok, but plenty of evidence they abducted and sold children. let’s look at what else they found:

      Disturbing revelations followed in a special Knesset committee about medical experiments that had been carried out on the Yemenite children. Prior testimony given under oath during the previous inquiries revealed that many children had died as a consequence of medical negligence. Further testimony revealed that four undernourished babies died after being administered an experimental protein injection. Violating Jewish tradition, post-mortem examinations were carried out on children who were then buried in mass graves. Children’s hearts were removed in some cases and given to US doctors researching the near absence of heart disease found in Yemen.[20]

      In 2016 after having re-examined evidence given to a commission of inquiry in the late 1990s, Cabinet Minister Tzachi Hanegbi told Israeli TV: “They took the children and gave them away. I don’t know where.” The minister admitted that at least “hundreds” of children were taken without their parent’s consent, marking the first time such a public admission had been made by a government official

      tragic but chaos? is that what you’d say if it was your kid? btw, it’s between 1,500 and 5,000 babies, not hundreds. chaos? i don’t think so. how do you pull off selling over 1000k kids without being somewhat organized. my hunch is there was a massive cover up. how else do you “lose” all the kids? someone covered their tracks very well, by the time there was an investigation the evidence was gone, or worse.

      • Jonathan Ofir on May 2, 2019, 2:59 am

        Jon S, concerning the Yemenite children, Annie already answered here, so I shall not extend at this point.
        Concerning the Western Wall, you write: “in a church you’re expected to remove your hat, in a mosque you remove your shoes, in Jewish worship you cover your head”.

        But you see, I was citing authoritative Jewish Orthodox rabbinical sources:

        “The Kotel was never a synagogue; nor should it ever become one.”

        You may be aware of the strawman in your argument, which is perhaps why, despite naming “church” and “mosque”, you do not name “synagogue”, because that would be wrong. You resort to “place of worship”.

        See, if the place was a synagogue, you’d have an argument. But this is something that has merely been construed to be a “place of worship” in a kind of institutional way, and I’m contesting it – with sound arguments. I’m not arguing that it has traditionally been used as a place for private meditation. That doesn’t make it a synagogue.

      • jon s on May 2, 2019, 3:23 pm

        Jonathan Ofir,
        Actually, I considered writing “synagogue” but then reconsidered and wrote “Jewish worship” because -and here I agree with you- the Kotel is not a synagogue. The point is that a kippa or other head-cover is customary not only in synagogues but at a variety of functions: at funerals and weddings, bar-mitzvot and brittot, at the Passover seder and at Friday night kiddush. The Kotel doesn’t have to be a synagogue for the kippa requirement to be legitimate.

    • Jonathan Ofir on May 2, 2019, 4:56 pm

      Jon s, rabbi Cardozo even goes further than that quote, if you follow the link in article on “wall of shame”, in Michael Lesher’s piece. Here is what Cardozo says:

      “We must free the Kotel of all denominations and abolish all synagogue services at the site, including bar and bat mitzvah celebrations. We must remove all sifrei Torah, tefillin and tallitot and restore the Kotel to its former state: A place where all are welcome and where not even the most lenient halacha can be violated. Where there are no mechitzot (partitions) and other sources of ideological or physical conflict. A place used solely for individual prayer and meditation, just as our ancestors treated it throughout our long history.”

      Now once again, I did not oppose the kippa wearing as such on location. I am simply pointing to the misappropriation of this wall, and I have serious religious sources to lean upon.

    • Mooser on May 2, 2019, 5:37 pm

      “What happened was tragic but it was mostly chaos, Israeli “balagan”, with a dose of racism.” “Jon s”( the pro-Israel advocate who always knows just what to say.)

      “Jon s” if you ever want to do something to advance the cause of Zionism, become an anti-Zionist.

  3. wondering jew on May 1, 2019, 10:26 pm

    and then my son said, oh, I’ll make a picture of donald duck instead. And the father is so proud that he has taught his son a good lesson.

    what does this communicate? that a father who hates judaism gets to deprive his son of doing a ritual.

    (of course, i agree the essence of judaism is slaughtered along with the thousands killed in Gaza over the last 11 years. but really, be honest, you hate jewish rituals and have nothing positive to say about them. Isaac Deutscher hated that Tevye bullshit and you do too. but you should admit that your disdain for Judaism taints your antizionism. It’s not just the colonial aspects of Jewish continuity that you cannot tolerate. You really don’t like anything about Judaism. And again. I feel that trying to free the Gazans is commendable and very few people who like Jewish ritual are devoted to freeing the Gazans.)

    • RoHa on May 2, 2019, 1:12 am

      “and then my son said, oh, I’ll make a picture of donald duck instead. And the father is so proud that he has taught his son a good lesson.”

      Where did you get the pride from? I don’t see it in there.

      “what does this communicate? that a father who hates judaism gets to deprive his son of doing a ritual.”

      I can’t see anything in the article that expresses or even hints at hate for Judaism . Have you drawn this idea from some other Ofir article?

      And the boy himself chose not to perform the ritual because he did not want to wear the ritual kippa. His father seems to have been willing to conform.

    • Jonathan Ofir on May 2, 2019, 3:07 am

      Wondering Jew (partially quoting me): “and then my son said, oh, I’ll make a picture of donald duck instead. And the father is so proud that he has taught his son a good lesson”.

      See, Wondering Jew, I didn’t mind that my son would go and do that ritual (and I don’t know that this ‘ritual’ is mentioned as such in any writings, though I might be wrong). I supported him in doing it. Neither did I have an objection to going to the wall, nor to wearing a kippa – which I had in fact suggested that we do in order to get there. But I let him decide. And he decided with his own instinct.

      So you see, Wondering Jew, the “lesson I taught him” was that when it comes to belief, you can choose. I didn’t even speak against the kippa. But he read it as a kind of coercion. He decided, and I showed him how I do not force it upon him.

      That, I think, is a good lesson, taught not by words but by deeds. I don’t think it’s hateful.

      • eljay on May 2, 2019, 8:10 am

        || Jonathan Ofir: … He decided, and I showed him how I do not force it upon him.

        That, I think, is a good lesson, taught not by words but by deeds. I don’t think it’s hateful. ||

        It is a good lesson and it isn’t hateful.

        What seems be troubling y.f. is the realization that Judaism simply may not be important enough to survive without compulsion.

        But he shouldn’t worry. As we all know – because Zionists love to point it out – Jews are a tribe, an ethnicity, a collective, a people, a culture, a nation and even a civilization. And they’ve even got their very own Thousand Year “Jewish State” chock full of strong fighting Jews.

        Therefore, the demise of Judaism would not – it simply could not – have any impact on Jews or Jewishness.

        (Unless…maybe he thinks Jewish is fundamentally a religion-based identity? Nah, he wouldn’t think that. He’s a Zionist and Zionists scoff at that notion.)

      • Mooser on May 2, 2019, 3:34 pm

        “what does this communicate?” “WJ”

        Exactly “WJ”! This is where any decent Jewish father sees the opportunity for a learning experience! A chance to draw his son aside and say: ‘Boychik, you’re old enough now, it’s time you and I had a talk about internalized anti-semitism and Jewish self hatred. Once you understand the ugly, sick part of yourself which has warped your ‘instinct’, you’ll know how to deal with it…’

      • wondering jew on May 2, 2019, 4:39 pm

        Jonathan Ofir: I do not consider the writing of notes to God and sticking them into the Kotel to be a worthy ritual. I don’t believe I have ever done it. I have been with people who have written notes and put them into the wall and I have not tried to dissuade them, but it strikes me as thinking very little of god. When I believe that God listens to prayer, which is on average about an hour a week, I do not think that he needs a note crammed into any wall, even The Wall in order to get the message.

        As far as praying, I do feel closer to god at certain times and in certain places than at other times and other places and one of the places where I feel closer to god is at the kotel, although there are other spots in Jerusalem where I feel closer to my innermost self and usually such a closeness, which is ephemeral and difficult to explain, is related to closeness to God, which is possibly more ephemeral and even more difficult to explain.

        I accept your recounting of the story with your son that you didn’t mean to sway him one way or the other. I was reading the story influenced by your previous columns, none of which have ever shown an ounce or a gram of sympathy for any Jewish ritual and as such I read your story regarding you and your son at the Kotel.

        When I go to the kotel and feel like it, I pull up a shtender (a lectern to those ignorant of that Yiddish term) and lean over and open up a book of Psalms and open it at random and find some words and try to move my heart, which would have to be tending in that direction in any case for me to pull up a shtender and open up a T’hillim. You and Nathan Lopez might not call it a synagogue, but it is a place where people gather to pray and as such I do not consider the beanie police to be particularly abusive. As a rule I wear a baseball cap and so they do not bother me.

        Eljay- As far as your content is concerned, I really don’t wish to parse your sentences, so I will respond in general: Religions are on a downward trend in the west. Personally I have tried and tried to disbelieve in God but have never quite succeeded, although my concept of God’s caring about man, which is essential to a religious lifestyle has tended towards a belief that God really does not care much. Despite this loss of a certain type of faith, as I get older I realize that in order to keep going I need what is called a second wind and I am lifted by a verse in Isaiah, “And those that hope in God, will renew their strength,” 40:31. I need a second wind and it is only this verse that provides it for me and so I cannot deny the role of God belief in my life at this point.

        As far as Judaism is concerned I am primarily reacting to the events of 1939 to 1945. As such I am pleased by the fact that my sisters have lots of kids and my brother has a real lot of kids and grandkids and for the most part all of my brothers kids follow Torah and the majority of my sisters’ kids follow the Orthodox lifestyle in varying degrees. The safest bet in terms of keeping the Jewish people alive is through Torah.

        The second safest bet of keeping the Jewish people alive is through living in Israel and through the success of Zionism. I feel that Zionism is threatened by the inability or unwillingness of Israel to make peace with its neighbors. I feel that Zionism is at odds with democracy particularly in terms of its defacto annexation of the west bank without giving its inhabitants the vote. It seems that the western world is heading away from democracy and towards national chauvinism. Maybe netanyahu is more accurate in terms of predicting the trends of western society. If the scientists are on target regarding the effects of climate change, then the tendency away from kumbaya and towards selfishness will make trump and netanyahu look like geniuses, because immigration and refugees 50 years from now will make 2019 look like a picnic. So i really cannot predict the long range impracticality of the antidemocratic tendencies of Netanyahu and Trump. I can only say that I far prefer the politics of Rabin and Obama.

        As far as Jewish survival through Jewish culture in the Diaspora I say, Fat Chance. There is a greater possibility of Judaism receiving a shot in the arm from the tendency of certain Christians to look towards Judaism as a source of wisdom, because if it was good enough for Jesus, there might be something worthwhile there. Thus those who wear a cross and a prayer shawl (and eventually tefilin and sabbath observance and other observances) really have a better chance of keeping Judaism (a tainted Judaism, tainted by Christianity’s pagan content) alive than do those who eat bagel and lox and corned beef and mustard on rye. The era of the secular Jew is dying out as far as I can tell.

        And eljay as far as your style- referring to me in the 3rd person rather than directly. it’s a sign of immaturity. 7th grade. and that’s an insult to most 7th graders. Now that you’re old enough to collect social security it may be time to grow up. Or not. Your choice.

      • Mooser on May 2, 2019, 5:18 pm

        “where I feel closer to god is at the kotel, although there are other spots in Jerusalem”“WJ”

        It’s no wonder you feel that way. Israel has had university-level courses in Kotel-Motel Management for years.

        Or maybe you’ve just trained yourself to be hyper-suggestible to cheap religious effects, and social manipulation. You won’t know until you’ve been properly examined for I.A.S. and J.S.H.

      • Mooser on May 2, 2019, 5:23 pm

        ” Thus those who wear a cross and a prayer shawl (and eventually tefilin and sabbath observance and other observances) really have a better chance of keeping Judaism (a tainted Judaism, tainted by Christianity’s pagan content) alive”

        Anything, anything is better than Jews who repudiate Zionism!

      • Mooser on May 2, 2019, 5:26 pm

        “(partially quoting me)”

        He must have a deep respect for you, Mr. Ofir. Usually he just makes them up. (from the whole tefillin?) and attaches a name to it. Double-quotes and all.

      • eljay on May 2, 2019, 6:04 pm

        || wondering jew: … Eljay- As far as your content is concerned, I really don’t wish to parse your sentences, so I will respond in general … ||

        y.f., I never cease to be amazed at how you can write so much and say so little. Your general response doesn’t address anything I wrote, so it’s really nothing more than another long-winded re-wording of your belief in Jewish / “Jewish State” supremacism.

        || … And eljay as far as your style- referring to me in the 3rd person rather than directly. it’s a sign of immaturity. 7th grade. and that’s an insult to most 7th graders. … ||

        I referred to you in the third person because I wasn’t asking you a question – I was reply to a comment by Jonathan Ofir. Your inability to recognize this coupled with your penchant for fabricating offense in order to justify acting offended is a clear indication that you’ve got me beat on immaturity.

        But your immaturity isn’t nearly as troubling as the fact that you know better than to be a hateful and immoral supremacist hypocrite but you choose to be one anyway.

    • Mooser on May 2, 2019, 3:59 pm

      “of course, i agree the essence of judaism is slaughtered along with the thousands killed in Gaza over the last 11 years. but…” “WJ”

      “Yonah”, why are you so eager to write off Judaism? Could it be that you would rather see Judaism go extinct rather than have Jewish denominations which repudiate Zionism?

      • wondering jew on May 2, 2019, 4:48 pm

        Mooser- Maybe in real life you’re a serious person worth engaging in a discussion of ideas. I doubt it, but I’m not sure. I am sure that engaging you on line is worth nothing and that’s overvaluing it.

      • Mooser on May 2, 2019, 5:48 pm

        “And those that hope in God, will renew their strength,” 40:31.” “Isaiah” (partially quoted by “WJ”)

        Oh, BTW, “Yonah”, have you checked with Isaiah about including “those who wear a cross and a prayer shawl” and a Judaism “tainted by Christianity’s pagan content”.

        The Prophets had some harsh words for that kind of thing.

  4. Maximus Decimus Meridius on May 2, 2019, 9:26 am

    I think Noam Chomsky wrote about this: How colonialism Zionist style is so different from versions such as the South African, or the British in India because the natives are basically invisible. As he says, you might see one of these exotic creatures on a hill one day, but other than that you can have virtually nothing to do with them, or even be reminded of their baleful existence. Even in the darkest days of the apartheid regime – close buddies with Israel – blacks were still the vast majority and the country could not function without their labour. Not so in Israel, where the natives have been replaced by cheap Thai or Chinese labour. Your average Israeli could probably go about his or her daily life without encountering one of those pesky natives.

    • RoHa on May 4, 2019, 2:53 am

      Comparison with the British in India is not appropriate. India was a British Imperial possession, but not a colony. There was no mass migration of British people to India.

      Canada, Australia, South Africa, and New Zealand were colonies.

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius on May 4, 2019, 10:30 am

        You’re correct in saying there was no large-scale emigration from Britain to India, but it was considered a European colonial conquest.

        In any case, my point is about the attitude of colonial/imperial peoples to the natives: The British in India, or the Afrikaaners in South Africa, could never ignore the natives and pretend they didn’t exist. Israelis can.

      • RoHa on May 4, 2019, 11:00 pm

        The official title doesn’t matter. Hong Kong was also classed as a colony, but in practice it was a possession.

        If you want to compare like with like, you have to make comparisons with cases where there was a mass migration. In Australia the British colonists could, fairly soon, ignore the natives. They didn’t quite pretend that the natives didn’t exist, but they certainly brushed them aside to create what was to be essentially a white British country.

        In India, even though it was called a colony, there was no intention of replacing the natives or establishing a large white British population. The same is true of Hong Kong. (Though the majority of the population is descended from immigrants from China.)

      • Mooser on May 5, 2019, 11:28 am

        “They didn’t quite pretend that the natives didn’t exist, but they certainly brushed them aside to create what was to be essentially a white British country.”

        “Brushed them aside”? “essentially a white British country” And you say: “I seem to have reached the limit of euphemistic language.”

        Looks to me like you’ve got your euphemisms well in hand.

      • RoHa on May 5, 2019, 9:30 pm

        I worked hard at that one, Mooser. I still can’t get my comments on Jason Hill through, though.

      • Mooser on May 6, 2019, 11:29 am

        “I worked hard at that one, Mooser”

        “RoHa” you would have, I am sure, a lot less trouble if you adhered to the First Rule of the Moderation Club.
        After all, the Moderators always do.

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