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Zahra Billoo has been voted off the Women’s March national board. The move comes less than a week after three founding members rotated off the board following years of false allegations of anti-semitism.

Early on the morning of September 19, Billoo posted a long Twitter thread explaining the board’s decision. “The past 48 hours have been a spiral of bad news and smear efforts,” she wrote, “Part of the smear campaign is motivated by opponents of the Women’s March, because the organization has traditionally challenged the status quo of power and white supremacy in our country. However, much of the campaign is driven by people who oppose me and my work challenging the occupation of Palestine, our country’s perpetuation of unjust and endless wars, and law enforcement operations targeting the American Muslim community.”

Earlier this week it was announced that Linda Sarsour, Tamika Mallory, and Bob Bland would be stepping down as board members to focus on other projects. Sarsour has been falsely accused of anti-semitism by pro-Israel organizations for years over a number of alleged transgressions, including her support for the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) movement and her assertion that Zionism is incompatible with feminism. Mallory had been criticized for allegedly supporting the Nation of Islam and praising its anti-semitic Louis Farrakhan. In 2018, she attended a Farrakhan event where he declared that he had “pulled the cover off of the eyes of the Satanic Jew.”

After the exodus of the three members, the organization appointed Zahra Billoo, the Executive Director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, to the board. The decision was immediately met with right-wing condemnation. Jon Levine of the New York Post posted a long Twitter thread that included many past Billoo tweets that were critical of Israel. “I’m more afraid of racist Zionists who support Apartheid Israel than of the mentally ill young people the #FBI recruits to join ISIS,” she wrote in 2015. “doesn’t see any difference between American youth leaving the country to join ISIS or the IDF. Both are murderous, war crime committing, terrorist entities,” reads another.

In her aforementioned Twitter thread, Billoo wrote:

This isn’t about a lost seat, there will be many seats. The Women’s March, Inc. has drawn a line in the sand, one that will exclude many with my lived experiences and critiques. It has effectively said, we will work on some women’s rights at the expense of others…To be clear, anti-Semitism is indeed a growing and dangerous problem in our country, as is anti-Blackness, anti-immigrant sentiment, Islamophobia, ableism, sexism, and so much more…I condemn any form of bigotry unequivocally, but I also refuse to be silent as allegations of bigotry are weaponized against the most marginalized people, those who find sanctuary and hope in the articulation of truth…In looking at the tweets in question, I acknowledge that I wrote passionately. While I may have phrased some of my content differently today, I stand by my words…I told the truth as my community and I have lived it, through the FBI’s targeting of my community, as I supported families who have lost loved ones because of US military actions, and as I learned from the horrific experiences of Palestinian life…In attempting to heal and build in an expedited manner within Women’s March, Inc., I offered to meet with stakeholders to address their concerns, and to work with my sisters on the new board to learn, heal, and build together…these efforts were rejected. And in rejecting these efforts, the new Women’s March, Inc. board demonstrated that it lacks the courage to demonstrate allyship in the face of fire.

At the time of this piece being published, Women’s March had yet to release a statement on the ouster of Billoo.

Michael Arria

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  1. David Green on September 20, 2019, 11:06 am

    Identity politics is a losing game for the left. The Women’s March is all about identity politics. The women mentioned above are all about identity politics, even when they identity is black, Palestinian, or Islamic. Sometimes IP opposes IP; that doesn’t make IP any less flawed and fundamentally neoliberal. We need to move beyond this aimless, confusing nonsense.

    • Keith on September 20, 2019, 6:23 pm

      DAVID GREEN- “Identity politics is a losing game for the left.”

      True enough, however, one could debate just how “left” the Women’s March is. I suppose that one could debate what “left” means nowadays anyway.

      DAVID GREEN- “The Women’s March is all about identity politics.”

      Of course it is. It has strong links to the Democratic Party and indirectly receives considerable funding from George Soros via the member groups. The Democratic Party is solidly neoliberal, the result of the New Democrats abandoning even the pretense of working class solidarity in order to embrace Wall Street and the Deep State, rhetorical misrepresentations notwithstanding. The constituencies of both parties are the corporations and the Zionists. There is very little one can do in our society without significant funding.

      • David Green on September 21, 2019, 11:11 am

        A critique of BLM has been well-articulated by Adolph Reed, Cedric Johnson, and others, including interviews with Reed on Dead Pundits Society podcast.

        Linda Sarsour has not received the criticism that she so richly deserves for basically using her identity as a Palestinian to promote her career as an “activist.” I am harshly critical of JVP’s relationship with her; but unfortunately, JVP, during the Trump era, has largely gone down the path of IP. The Palestinians are just one more inter-sectional aggrieved group of many. Thus, nothing really has to be done. And nothing has been done, in spite of all the rhetoric and the fundraising.

        Biloo seems like a decent sort; however, CAIR is one more “defense” organization, which can easily descend into IP. The organizations, like the ADL and Catholic whatever, tend over time to be folded into establishment politics. The Angry Arab has been harshly critical of CAIR, and I trust his judgment on that.

      • annie on September 21, 2019, 12:52 pm

        the criticism that she so richly deserves for basically using her identity as a Palestinian to promote her career as an “activist.”

        is that similar or connected to ‘richly deserved criticism for basically using ones identity as a Jew to promote ones career as an “activist.” ‘?

        if not, what do you mean? Sarsour has engaged in lots of activist action disassociated from i/p. is this a general complaint about identity politics or specific to Sarsour?

  2. brent on September 20, 2019, 12:07 pm

    Many of those who seek the liberation of Palestine encounter negativity, in part, due to problematic tactics that have been tolerated.

    Generally, gaining the goodwill of others comes with high expectations.

  3. DaBakr on September 20, 2019, 2:54 pm

    Well, if one thinks about it, what was the point in firing Sarsour et al just to bring on Billoo. If it was all about the ‘Benjamin’s’ it didn’t make sense. An AIPEC conspiracy? Doubtful. There are going to be two womens movements soon. That is my prediction. There is no putting this omelette back in the shell. Honestly, it might be better after the split. It’s not like American women are any more unified then say, American zionists

    • annie on September 20, 2019, 3:22 pm

      there were already 2 women’s march movements, the zionists started another one last year, now they are intent on decimating the original. americans are divided over zionism. evidence of that is what’s happened to the dem party, the majority of members approve of sanctions over the settlements whereas the core leaders and politicians still lick the boots of aipac and donors to fill their coffers.

      • Misterioso on September 20, 2019, 6:24 pm

        @Annie

        BINGO!!

      • echinococcus on September 21, 2019, 12:56 am

        That , as you say, “… the majority of members approve of sanctions over the settlements whereas the core leaders and politicians still lick the boots of aipac and donors to fill their coffers”, and have been playing this same game for 70+ years, with respect not only to Zionism,

        is proof positive that said “majority of members”, while a majority, are a bunch of gullible peons unable to understand very plain basic things,

        e.g. that their “party”, no matter the desires of the majority peons, is a class thing, and that it will only do what its owners allow. By staying in they are only sabotaging any improvement. Not only will they never achieve anything, they are guilty of continually killing any effort to get out of the vicious circle. And, being emotionally handicapped, they are totally unable to understand what they are doing.

        Of course, the handicap is not only emotional. There is the stomach, too: even with all the degradation of the living conditions, middle-class people are still getting some bones occasionally thrown to them from the Empire’s war and devastation banquet table. Otherwise most people would have been able to use a little logic.

      • Jackdaw on September 21, 2019, 8:49 am

        @Annie

        “evidence of that is what’s happened to the dem party, the majority of members approve of sanctions over the settlements whereas the core leaders and politicians still lick the boots ”

        A proffer of evidence please.

        BTW, why can’t you use capital letters like everyone else?

      • annie on September 21, 2019, 10:11 am

        https://972mag.com/nearly-half-of-americans-support-sanctions-on-israel-poll-finds/123472/

        Among Democrats, a 60-percent majority “supported imposing some economic sanctions or taking more serious action” in response to Israeli settlements

      • David Green on September 21, 2019, 11:13 am

        And among those Zionists are Bend the Arc. Unfortunately, an article that I submitted to MW earlier this week has apparently been rejected by the editors. Not good for honest and informed debate on this website.

      • annie on September 21, 2019, 12:47 pm

        did you read “How can Bend the Arc claim to ‘unite a progressive Jewish voice for justice for all’ but ignore Israel?” https://mondoweiss.net/2018/07/progressive-jewish-justice/

      • Mooser on September 21, 2019, 8:08 pm

        “Unfortunately, an article that I submitted to MW earlier this week has apparently been rejected by the editors. Not good for honest and informed debate on this website.” “David Green”

        I guess they will have to publish it now. I’ll look forward to it.

      • Jackdaw on September 22, 2019, 12:49 am

        Pollster Shibley Talhimi’s “made-to-order” poll sponsored by the left-wing Brookings Institute.

        And, in case you hadn’t noticed, the operative word is ‘”if”,
        ‘IF settlement expansion continues, would you than support sanctions?’

      • annie on September 23, 2019, 1:00 pm

        Shibley Talhimi’s “made-to-order” poll

        polls are often contracted by outside orgs, but the polling companies do have their reputations to uphold. i know what you mean tho, pro israel groups and think tanks are usually the ones backing these “made-to-order” polls and as a society we are all too accustomed to accepting their results.

        i remember having serious doubts, back in the day when i first started reading MW, w/some commenters continually claiming “the vast majority of americans support israel”, see how that worked out?

        And, in case you hadn’t noticed, the operative word is ‘”if”,

        misterioso just linked to a new poll: https://jewishcurrents.org/poll-democratic-voters-support-cutting-aid-to-israel/

        no “if” in there.

      • DaBakr on September 24, 2019, 11:43 am

        @a

        The majority of American jews do support Israel and identify with zionism

      • annie on September 24, 2019, 5:10 pm

        ok, i am not sure how that relates to my remarks dabakr.

  4. echinococcus on September 21, 2019, 6:32 am

    “While I may have phrased some of my content differently today…”

    That is the mistake.

  5. David Green on September 21, 2019, 2:18 pm

    @Annie

    Yes I read it. I linked to it in the article.

  6. David Green on September 21, 2019, 2:21 pm

    @Annie,

    Why isn’t there a reply link under your comment?

    Linda Sarsour has fit nicely into pink pussyhat #resistance politics. She never writes anything, but I’ve listened to her, including an extended interview with Daniel Denvir. As far as I can tell, she has done nothing to promote the rights of the Palestinian people in practical terms. I find her grandstanding insufferable.

    I’m no longer a fan of using Jewish identity to allegedly promote Palestinian rights. JVP has been mostly ineffectual in that regard.

    • annie on September 22, 2019, 1:50 am

      david, there wasn’t a reply feature under my last comment above because i was commenting within another thread. if the comment you are responding to doesn’t have a reply feature, scroll up to the last reply feature, just like you did when you wrote your 11:13 am comment.

      • David Green on September 22, 2019, 3:57 pm

        In any event, someone like Linda Sarsour claims that she bends over backwards to show solidarity with Jewish victims, such as in Pittsburgh and in the desecration of cemeteries. But that gets her exactly nowhere, and makes her ineffectual in the larger context.

      • annie on September 22, 2019, 7:05 pm

        are there other activists w/ over 300k followers on twitter you would also categorize as “ineffectual in the larger context”, or just her?

        i don’t really know how to respond david as i don’t know her, don’t live on the east coast, and have not worked with her. but i am on MpowerChange listserve and get emails from her and her group. she is an organizer for a grassroots muslim movement and they do lots of good things. you should check out their website. it all seems positive and uplifting to me. https://mpowerchange.org/campaigns/

        there seems to be a witch hunt against her for quite awhile, the ADL and other included. shall we presume you’re also aligned with this movement against her?

      • annie on September 22, 2019, 7:24 pm

        did she claim to bend over backwards to show solidarity with jewish victims, or did she just raise lots of money from her followers for jewish victims? and maybe she wasn’t doing it to get herself anywhere, just saw a need and filled it. did the people she raised money for return it, is that what you mean by ineffectual? or were they able to restore the cemetery and contribute to funerals?

        it all sounds very damned if you do damned if you don’t. maybe this has to do with the circumstance that she is one of the most effective muslim organizers in the country and she became that sans the approval of the gatekeepers. maybe if she just disappeared out of site. didn’t she make some formal apology about farrakan? but that wasn’t enough was it. whatever.

      • David Green on September 24, 2019, 10:57 am

        Linda Sarsour is “effective” at self-promotion, making noble proclamations against hate, raising her fist in the air, and I guess raising a lot of money. Other than that, I don’t see any substance to her presentations, which are very manipulative and rather banal. I’m waiting for a shred of genuine insight. I’ll be waiting for a long time.

        Annie, you are welcome to provide me with any evidence whatsoever to prove otherwise.

      • annie on September 24, 2019, 4:56 pm

        and you are welcome to provide us with any evidence whatsoever that she is manipulative and banal, david.

      • Keith on September 24, 2019, 5:55 pm

        DAVID GREEN- “Linda Sarsour is “effective” at self-promotion….”

        Well, you could say that about a lot of folks in BDS.

      • David Green on September 26, 2019, 12:13 pm

        Annie, you can read the transcript of the interview she did with Daniel Denvir, a smart guy who takes her with complete seriousness and credibility. Tell me if anything she said, even one thing, points toward an organizing effort to pressure the USG towards removing its support for Israel and for apartheid. I don’t mean BDS; I don’t mean anti-anti-BDS; I don’t mean pro freedom of speech; I don’t mean working with other groups “intersectionally”; I mean, actually thoughtfully proposing how organizing and solidarity work will oppose US foreign policies in order to free the Palestinian people from the yoke of Israeli occupation.

        While you’re at it, you can point out anything that might indicate that she has any humility whatsoever, any ability to ask questions and evolve insights; any ability to actually work with people in a way that isn’t dictated completely by her own need to be perceived as being righteous.

      • annie on September 26, 2019, 2:36 pm

        i presume you’re referring to this interview david?: https://www.thedigradio.com/transcripts/transcript-palestine-politics-with-linda-sarsour/

        before i start, just for the record, you can point out anything you’ve said here, that might indicate that you have “any humility whatsoever”? since when is showing humility during an interview an essential aspect of organizing. i liked the interview btw.

        Tell me if anything she said, even one thing, points toward an organizing effort to pressure the USG towards removing its support for Israel and for apartheid. I don’t mean BDS; I don’t mean anti-anti-BDS; I don’t mean pro freedom of speech; I don’t mean working with other groups “intersectionally”

        iow, ignore her words about bds, working with other groups, her words about the first amendment, being bold and unequivocal, because that doesn’t count?

        and so Rashida and Ilhan are not bringing in some outrageous pie in the sky… They’re bringing in sentiments of the progressives who put them in office and of the groups that put them in office, groups like Justice Democrats, the groups that are out here, like the Democratic Socialists of America, like the People for Bernie types. This sentiment of ending occupation in Palestine, of supporting Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions, or at least at the minimum, the right for people to engage in Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions, the idea that being a staunch critic of the state of Israel does not equal being anti-Semitic. This is just mainstream now. This is just normal. And watching young Jewish Americans who are going on these Birthright trips and every week we see a new story of young people walking off these trips so they can go explore Occupation and meet Palestinians and really see the real suffering that they unfortunately have never been exposed to because that’s not what Birthright is about, is really eye-opening for everyone and the Democratic Party has to make a choice, like whose side are you on here?

        this isn’t real enough for you. she’s answering questions as people do in interviews. she talks about being vocal, about bds legislation and other legislation being passed. it’s very clear you don’t like her, but is it possible what you perceive as “her own need to be perceived as being righteous” is her talking about her personal experience, what drives her? i think she’s very effectual and i think what she said about herself and tamika is true, they were both attacked even before the controversies as a way of taking them out. and it’s a warning to anyone taking bold active positions, you will be taken out the way marc lamont hill was, who has survived btw, as she has –tamika too. i think we just don’t agree.

      • David Green on September 28, 2019, 11:08 am

        Annie, it’s important to ask ourselves how the Palestinians got so popular among a certain segment of the American “left,” and why in the meantime their material conditions have just gotten worse and worse. I have seen SJP go to nothing on my campus, as they were folded into intersectional identity politics. I have seen the post-Salaita environment here in Urbana go to nothing after all the support he allegedly had, which was of course ineffectual. I’ve seen the rise of Bend the Arc among Jewish liberal Zionists, who are accepted and even awarded by the local immigrant rights advocates.

        In the midst of that are fruitless debates about BDS, anti-BDS, etc. etc. In the midst of that, Alan Dershowitz is invited to speak about “civil liberties” by the Business School. In the midst of that are fruitless student referendums on BDS that don’t educate anyone and that lose, due to both ignorance and apathy, providing an unnecessary “win” for the Zionists and anti-BDS university administrators.

        In any event, Linda Sarsour’s alliance with JVP speaks volumes to me. They have both become self-sustaining but not effective, as so often happens. They are just one more “cause.” The Palestinians deserve more than to be a “cause,” and as a “cause” they will never make any progress. BDS has proved to be a failure. JVP has proved to be a failure. Linda Sarsour has proved to be a failure. It’s time to think hard and critically about what’s been going down since, say, 2014 (Salaita, Protective Edge).

        Linda Sarsour shows no ability for self-criticism. If she shows humility, it’s fake humility. She does none of the hard work to analyze the absolutely unshakable military alliance between the U.S. and Israel, from which the Palestinians suffer.

        If her entire (lack of) analytical content and style don’t give that away to you, I really don’t know what more I can say. You’ve been taken in by her style which reveals an utter lack of substance.

        If she wants to work for Bernie Sanders, fine. But don’t pretend that’s working for the Palestinians, for any viable notion of a radically changed USFP and end of Israel’s role in U.S. hegemony in the Middle East.

      • annie on September 28, 2019, 1:36 pm

        You’ve been taken in by her style which reveals an utter lack of substance.

        as i explained earlier david “i don’t know her, don’t live on the east coast, and have not worked with her” but you’ve determined i’m “taken in by her style”.

        more to the point david, you, who always have the best interest of palestinians at heart, find the best use of your advocacy for palestine (at least here, today) rallying against the very same target as multiple, a whole army, of pro israel orgs. that taking down linda sarsour, who you seem rather obsessed with her (as opposed to me who’s been google researching for my responses and just watched my 1st sarsour interview ever). in all your screeds, you’ve shown very little in the way of evidence why she’s so detrimental in your view but offered lots of claims and personal opinion.

        it’s important to ask ourselves how the Palestinians got so popular among a certain segment of the American “left,” and why in the meantime their material conditions have just gotten worse and worse.

        why is that so important? so we can blame the left because palestinians are still suffering? as if they were on the precipice of freedom for palestine before intersectionality burst onto the scene? feeling sentimental about those good ol days? sure, why not just blame the left. if you’re so smart, go lead the movement on your campus, the right way or the way you think is best.

        and when you say “a certain segment of the american left” would that be the 60% of dems who now say they support sanctions against israel for settlement expansion? so aside from sharing the same target as every pro israel group out there from stand with us to zoa and beyond, ever so *coincidentally*, you know another thing you have in common with the zionists? rallying against intersectionality.

        i’m not leading this movement david nor is it my job to do so. it’s a palestinian led movement. so frankly, i think you’re barking up the wrong tree. i get you think the most valuable use of your time in your quest to free palestine is rallying against sarsour and the “left”. good luck. now all you need to do if find allies who agree with you (aside from the zionists), hopefully a few palestinians.

  7. tamarque on September 26, 2019, 9:05 am

    After reading the article and most of the comments, to be minimalist, I am bothered by the claims of IP (identity politics) and the ensuing commentary. Every movement that I have ever studied or been part of is characterized by a variety of types of positions with lots of contradictions, some seemingly so, some real. It is no surprise, given the behavior of the Israel lobby and the general ignorance of many, including Jews, to the real history of that State and its American support. To not begin the conversation with the active interest of the US in createing that State to be exactly what it is–a white supremacist wedge in the middle of the Arab State. The US is incapable of switching gear without admitting to its core motivations which were always just as racist as they were when those white europeans sailed the oceans to invade a land already inhabited by peoples who were here for many 100’s of years. That history of being a settler-colonialist enterprise with genocidal goal for the original residents is pretty much identical for both the US and Israel. No wonder that it was a no brainer for the US imperialists of the 20c!

    To read the attacks of male bloggers here on a women’s organization is also very suspect in my book. These males began this commentary and controlled it without question. Raising the concept of Identity Politics is divisive and distracting and as fake news as most of what comes from Trump and Netanyahu and repeated by reactionary, bigoted thinkers. Unfortunately, it seems, the Women’s March board is not strong enough in its own ideology to withstand the manipulations of pro-zionist bigots who will do anything to cover Israel’s soggy political butt regarding the racism of that country with its ensuing genocidal abuse of the Palestinians. Of course, often ignored, is Israel’s racial bigotry towards its own dark skinned Jewish population. This alone demonstrates the fallacies of the zionist attacks on people of color in the Women’s March organization as well as in this country.

    The real tragedy is that such a powerful expression of organizing could not figure out its own achille’s heel in the climate of hate that dominates this country’s right wing movement and find the backbone to stand up to it. That would be a very strong statement to the country and to its Israel Lobby supporters with their nefarious tactics, most of which have been identified and exposed.

    • Keith on September 26, 2019, 11:09 am

      TAMARQUE- “To read the attacks of male bloggers here on a women’s organization is also very suspect in my book.”

      The Women’s March is not an organization per se, but rather a coalition of women’s organizations most of which have ties to the Democratic Party. Had Hillary Clinton won the election, the Women’s March would have never come into being even though the policies of both parties are quite similar, the primary difference being Democratic verbal posturing. As such, most of the organizations supporting the March are not fighting for fundamental social change with SPECIFIC demands, rather they represent a co-option of the feminist movement to oppose Trump. As such, the very definition of identity politics.

    • David Green on September 26, 2019, 12:17 pm

      Sorry, no. This is what you get when you organize around “anti-hate” or “anti-racism.” It’s a complete ideological, self-serving mess. The Women’s March was always intended to be a support group for the Democratic Party. Anyone interested in solidarity with the Palestinians should never have had anything to do with it.

      • annie on September 26, 2019, 3:18 pm

        i think one of the most important things that came out of that march, or the dissolution of it, was the understanding that a true progressive movement includes all the oppressed. the dividing line, the fight, was over the inclusion of zionists. there were loud howls from the zionist community, the faux grassroots “zioness” movement, the op eds in the nyt whining about not being included. i can’t really recall any other big fights within the movement that was not centered around either israel or anti semitism. it took center stage. there’s the pervasive dividing line in the dem party and in progressive movements.

        as sarsour said “whose side are you on here?”. they weren’t fighting about health care or climate change. i think this is a good thing, to flush it all out, what separates us? apparently support or lack thereof, of apartheid. in this regard, as an onlooker, it’s been well worth it. flush em out.

      • Keith on September 26, 2019, 4:43 pm

        DAVID GREEN- “The Women’s March was always intended to be a support group for the Democratic Party.”

        A march, I might add, which obtained considerable support and funding from groups associated with the Democratic Party. These New Democrats (Clinton, etc) no longer have anything to offer to their constituency, hence, have devolved into little more than organized opposition to Trump, yet they support the policies of neoliberalism and empire. Compare this to the Women’s March on the Pentagon organized by Cindy Sheehan and (I believe) Code Pink demanding an end to militarism and empire. Poorly funded and ignored by the MSM, the march only drew an estimated 1500 people. No real surprise. If you want funding, you must play by the elite’s rules. One of the built in features of capitalism is its ability to co-opt the opposition. To be effective you need money. To get money you must please those who have it. I can safely say that the American civil rights movement, the American feminist movement, and the American environmental movement have all been co-opted. There are small underfunded exceptions, of course, but they have little impact.

      • David Green on September 27, 2019, 10:49 am

        Besides Bend the Arc, the other more avowedly “feminist” group operating in this vein is Solidarity Sundays.

        I don’t give much credence to divisions between partisan, non-profit, etc., but honestly I don’t know how some of these DP front groups get away with maintaining a non-partisan status; maybe they do it be not really doing fundraising.

  8. David Green on September 27, 2019, 10:52 am

    Annie: “as sarsour said “whose side are you on here?””

    I don’t see Sarsour’s “side” as being seriously anti-capitalist or anti-imperialist or anti-war.

    • echinococcus on September 27, 2019, 12:16 pm

      Some people here don’t seem to notice any difference between Florence Reese and the Identity Politicians we have nowadays. When they talk of “sides” they mean Demolican versus Repucrat.
      And hope to peacefully and respectfully bring the Demolicans to stop being the Empire — limitedly to Palestine.

    • Mooser on September 27, 2019, 12:55 pm

      “I don’t see Sarsour’s “side” as being seriously anti-capitalist or anti-imperialist or anti-war.”

      Not everybody can multi-task the way you do.

      • echinococcus on September 27, 2019, 4:50 pm

        Not “multitasking”, Mooser, but rather its opposite. In other climes, it’s called keeping one’s eye on the ball.

      • David Green on September 28, 2019, 11:28 am

        Addressing fundamental issues and not being distracted by IP baloney is reduced to “multi-tasking.” Right. Not to mention issues fundamental to ending Israeli occupation and apartheid on an allegedly pro-Palestinian Jewish-based website.

      • Mooser on September 28, 2019, 2:10 pm

        “Unfortunately, an article that I submitted to MW earlier this week has apparently been rejected by the editors. Not good for honest and informed debate on this website.” “David Green”

        Hey, what do you want, “Dave”, I gave up on “honest and informed debate” when I read your article was rejected.

    • annie on September 27, 2019, 12:58 pm

      maybe that’s more a reflection of who you are david, than her. she works with refugees, advocate of DACA, demonstrates against ICE, works with CAIR, a Muslim civil rights advocacy group and the group she co founded has literally dozens and dozens of non violent campaigns across the country for the betterment of americans. https://mpowerchange.org/campaigns/page/4/ just because you don’t think she’s “seriously anti-capitalist or anti-imperialist or anti-war”, without any examples what so ever, why should that even matter?

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_ytdBx09kI

      • echinococcus on September 27, 2019, 1:48 pm

        “why should that even matter?”

        Because all of the so-called good works you mention there are still in support of the Empire and its bipartisan wars of aggression.

        There are “Progressive Except for Palestine” liberals, but also “Imperialist Except for Palestine” liberals, if you get my drift. Not a major problem, it’s all about living together with anyone who helps against Zionism –provided positions are clear and there is no bullshit.

      • annie on September 27, 2019, 2:06 pm

        with 7 degrees of separation, one could also show you and david’s “support of the Empire and its bipartisan wars of aggression”.

        it’s alway so fulfilling when the purity patrol shows up, speaking of humility. something both you and david have in spades.

      • echinococcus on September 27, 2019, 2:11 pm

        The 7 degrees of separation are part of the bullshit, thank you.

      • annie on September 27, 2019, 4:31 pm

        you’re welcome.

      • echinococcus on September 27, 2019, 4:56 pm

        Annie,

        Would you please try to explain “purity patrol” in response to a post that says ” it’s all about living together with anyone who helps against Zionism –provided positions are clear”

      • annie on September 27, 2019, 8:50 pm

        provided positions are clear and there is no bullshit.

        this, after referencing the dozens of muslim grassroots movement campaign’s “so-called good works..in support of the Empire and its bipartisan wars of aggression.”?

        hmm, think i’ll pass.

      • gamal on September 27, 2019, 5:27 pm

        “the purity”

        “there is no purity or impurity” ….Annie just for you the “barche lamsel” prayer that dispels all obstacles we don’t have to stop at mahayana….. om ah hung guru pema siddhi hung

        https://youtu.be/m34vbVYW1v0

      • echinococcus on September 27, 2019, 11:11 pm

        Annie,
        “referencing the dozens of muslim grassroots movement campaign’s…”

        Is now religion and religious fanatism anti-imperialist by nature according the day’s liberal mind? The pace of fashionable change in these last few years is hard to keep up with.

      • annie on September 28, 2019, 12:24 am

        i don’t know what “the day’s liberal mind” is. you’d have to ask them.

        in case my comment was misconstrued, my comment wasn’t about dozens of muslim grassroots movements, it was the dozens of movements included in the muslim grassroots movement (mpower change, sarsour co-founded group) “campaign’s..good works”, i had linked to earlier. randomly, it was the 4th page of 10 pages, each page w/many separate campaigns. the reference in which you responded to as: “so-called good works you mention there are still in support of the Empire and its bipartisan wars of aggression.”

        hence, in response to your question (Is now religion and religious fanatism anti-imperialist by nature according the day’s liberal mind? ) about mpower change, the grassroots movement’s dozens of campaigns, i’m not sure how it relates to religious fanatism, please explain, i’ve never heard of fanatism. do you mean fanaticism? not sure how mpower relates.

        randomly, from that particular page i linked to, here’s the first one https://act.mpowerchange.org/sign/congress-fire-white-nationalists/ “Tell Congress: Take a stand against White Supremacy. Call on Trump to fire Miller and Gorka.”

        so when you ask me is this “anti-imperialist by nature…?”, i can only answer for myself. and i’d call firing miller an anti imperialist action, sure. i don’t know much about gorka, other than him being an islamophobic alt right dude. so again, you’d have to ask “the day’s liberal mind” to determine if advocating his firing is anti imperialistic. but my hunch is yes. as for how this represents “religious fanatism” by those who want him fired, that something perhaps you can explain.

        The pace of fashionable change in these last few years is hard to keep up with.

        because DACA is *fashionable*. protesting ICE is *fashionable*. protesting miller is *fashionable*. maybe what’s *fashionable* is you, of all people, being the seriously anti-capitalist, anti-imperialist, anti-war voice. but i wouldn’t know as i don’t follow fashions.

      • echinococcus on September 28, 2019, 4:35 am

        You confirm that you confuse social equal-rights and cultural issues with imperialism and worldwide war of aggression. The fact is that social welfare and similar goods can coexist with (and be used as a cudgel by) the most oppressive imperialism and war, not to mention domestic police state, as it effectively does in the Democrat model. The rights of women war criminals, homosexual uniformed mass-murderers, religious propagandists spreading obscurantism, identity-politics antiracism, etc. are nice to have, I’m not necessarily opposed, but they’re not part of the fight against Empire and war. The “left / right” terms, which you guys constantly bandy, used to only apply to class war, empire and war.

        This, just to clear the air. Also it’s dishonest to try to invalidate an objective, impersonal evaluative statement by aspersions on the person making the statement (as you know, they call it “argumentum ad hominem”.) Because that is not an answer to a judgment of fact.

        I suppose this exchange has been too long for a Palestine-specialized site but I think it was necessary.

      • David Green on September 28, 2019, 11:20 am

        The Palestinians have been hurt by the immigrant rights movement in this country, because it’s allowed liberal Zionists a platform for their liberalism, and the sort of alliances which end up ignoring the Palestinian issue. And of course the immigrant issue is carried out a very superficial level, lots of virtue signalling, no fundamental opposition to USFP. It allows people like Sarsour to pretend they have “allies” among Zionists and other liberals. It allows opposition to Trump to dominate any other analytical frame. Just a big, ineffectual mess of rhetoric.

      • annie on September 28, 2019, 12:32 pm

        it’s dishonest to try to invalidate an objective, impersonal evaluative statement by aspersions on the person making the statement

        is this you making amends for referencing organizations and people protesting ending DACA, ICE, miller as “fashionable”? is that what you mean by dishonest?

        The rights of women war criminals, homosexual uniformed mass-murderers, religious propagandists spreading obscurantism, identity-politics antiracism, etc.

        what homosexual uniformed mass-murderer and woman war criminal? i’m not that up on the woman’s march, as i didn’t go and don’t follow it. but are you referring to odeh? throwing her under the bus in your battle against imperialism?

        and when you refer to “left / right” terms, which you guys constantly bandy” who is “you guys”?

        because for the most part, i don’t see things in left right terms, i see them as up and down. the power vs oppressed, or the no power. i don’t suggest you are part of a “you guys” simply because you set yourself up as representing anti war, anti imperialism. but you sure seem comfortable ascribing me as some advocate of identity politics, which i’m not particularly into and know very little about. but i don’t lambast people for organizing for muslim rights, not when systemically, the gov is targeting them.

        maybe it’s you who’s fashionable, how should i know.

      • annie on September 28, 2019, 12:59 pm

        The Palestinians have been hurt by the immigrant rights movement in this country, because it’s allowed liberal Zionists a platform for their liberalism, and the sort of alliances which end up ignoring the Palestinian issue.

        pitting support for palestine against support for immigrants as an either or is a losing proposition. i’m reminded of something killer mike said in this video the other day. paraphrasing, of course the black man is going to be hurt by immigration because when that chicken factory down the street, instead of paying a fair wage, is going to hire immigrants. that the US will always have a slave class and when it isn’t you then it’s immigrants and when it’s not them it’s the prison population and when it comes to them a lot of them are the children of the people in the audience so it comes full circle. then he said this, and the 2 plantations he’s referring to are the 2 party system

        “people who are Black
        who are from two different plantations
        gotta get the fuck away from massa
        long enough to say
        how are we
        going to burn down both their fucking houses”

        but here you are pitting the issue of immigration against the movement to free palestine. well that’s not helpful having the oppressed battle against eachother. and your reasoning is because zionists side with one and not the other. yeah, i think that’s bogus myself.

        my advocacy of immigrants is because i was raised to believe my country was a country of immigrants, it’s one of our reasons for being. the only forced immigration was the black slaves. i don’t support immigration because of identity politics, i do it because it’s the right thing to do, because it makes our country stronger, and that won’t change because zionists support it too. at the risk of hurting the movement to free palestine, we can’t turn our backs on immigration. that’s non sensical.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=853&v=jyo_bFBfoOA

      • echinococcus on September 28, 2019, 8:45 pm

        Spin it to your heart’s content, Annie. Whatever you put in my mouth is not there on the page. Enough now.

      • annie on September 29, 2019, 2:26 am

        and a happy new year to you too echi. Shana tova

  9. David Green on September 28, 2019, 11:37 am

    The Angry Arab blogs about CAIR:

    “Wednesday, December 02, 2015
    CAIR and other Gulf regimes-funded Islamic organizations
    Yet again, CAIR acts to basically reinforce the notion that every Muslim everywhere is responsible for the acts of any Muslim anywhere in the world, and that every Muslim should account for the behavior of any Muslim, including terrorists who happen to be Muslim, anywhere.”

    And yes, they are still Zionist. Big surprise.

    American ethnic “defense” groups are always problematic, as is the ADL, Catholic, etc. They have a very narrow scope. So they think they can get along with the dominant forces and get them to be nice. But the dominant forces have their agenda, and Islamophobia hasn’t become completely unfashionable with the Women’s March, because they have their liberal establishment feminist lines to draw too.

    As’ad Abu Khalil has been criticizing them for years. You can search for his comments on his old blog, or on Twitter I guess. There’s no reason to think that CAIR can be part of an effective pro-Palestinian movement. That’s not what they do. So let’s move on.

    The Women’s March, BLM, Linda Sarsour, and CAIR have absolutely nothing to do with possibly effective pro-Palestine solidarity in the U.S. Nothing.

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