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The Department of Education is investigating another university over pro-Palestine events. The move comes just one month after President Trump signed an executive order that effectively allows the government to crack down on pro-Palestine campus organizing.

In November 2018, the  National Students for Justice in Palestine conference was held at the University of California, Los Angeles (UCLA). That event prompted a federal complaint from a right-wing, pro-Israel group called the Zachor Legal Institute. That organization has consistently filed legal complaints aimed at stifling the BDS movement. The Office for Civil Rights has reportedly opened the complaint and are launching an investigation.

Apparently, they are also initiating an investigation over an October 2019 complaint from the right-wing group StandWithUs. The complaint was filed in response to a guest lecture by San Francisco State University Professor Rabab Abdulhadi on the subject of Islamophobia. According to the complaint, Abdulhadi’s refusal to back Israel made a student cry. UCLA carried out their own investigation after the incident and found there was no wrongdoing.

Last year, the Education Department investigated a pro-Palestine conference organized by the Duke-University of North Carolina Consortium for Middle East Studies after a Republican lawmaker called for action. In September the U.S. Assistant Secretary for Postsecondary Education Robert King published a letter detailing the department’s conclusions. The letter threatens to cut the programs federal funding unless it revises its curriculum to “benefit of U.S. national security and economic stability.”

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  1. James Canning on January 11, 2020, 10:55 am

    Robert King asserts that US national security and economic stability benefit from Israel’s oppression of the Palestinians? What rubbish, in support of his effort to suppress free speech in the US to benefit Israel.

    • JWalters on January 13, 2020, 7:01 pm

      Succinctly put. The “benefit of U.S. national security and economic stability” would be greatly enhanced if the curriculum examined the huge influence of the foreign country of Israel over America’s government and press. Israel is a huge security liability for the U.S.. Israel’s control over America’s press and politics is driving America straight at a cliff. The Israelis are so emotional and irrational they WILL drive us all off the cliff if allowed.

  2. Misterioso on January 11, 2020, 10:59 am

    How disgusting that as ordered by “President” Trump (bowing to his pay master, Sheldon Adelson and his ilk), this gutless Republican government official and others like her choose to ignore the American Constitution and grovel before “Israel,” a well documented illegal, brutal occupier and ethnic cleanser of the native Palestinians.

    When it comes to “Israel,” America’s leaders will inevitably have to heed the sage advice of their country’s founding father. In his Farewell Address, George Washington admonished his fellow citizens to steer clear of a “passionate attachment” to another nation, as it could create “the illusion of a common interest…where no common interest exists.”

    • pabelmont on January 11, 2020, 12:22 pm

      GW was only the “father of our country”, but who listens to dreary old dad when there is a sexy girlfriend or a wealthy paymaster?

      • Jon66 on January 11, 2020, 2:26 pm

        Exactly,
        That’s why we need to hope that those Americans who hold a hatred for a Israel learn to accept it and treat it like other states. Habitual hatred toward any state is unhelpful.

      • eljay on January 11, 2020, 3:22 pm

        || Jon66: Exactly,
        That’s why we need to hope that those Americans who hold a hatred for a Israel learn to accept it and treat it like other states. … ||

        Exactly,
        That’s why Israel should be treated just like every other deliberately and unapologetically colonialist, (war) criminal and religion-supremacist state and subjected to the same crushing economic sanctions, destabilization, bombardment, military occupation and/or regime change.

      • echinococcus on January 11, 2020, 3:46 pm

        Listen to the Zionist pleading: I stole and murdered and murdered again, and I continue to do so, defiantly violating all human law — but you have to stop hating me and treat me like anyone else. Otherwise you’re unhelpful.

      • Jon66 on January 11, 2020, 5:45 pm

        Haters gonna hate.

      • Talkback on January 12, 2020, 5:29 am

        Jon66: “That’s why we need to hope that those Americans who hold a hatred for a Israel learn to accept it and treat it like other states. Habitual hatred toward any state is unhelpful.”

        What’s really “unhelpful” is what Israel does. It’s actually hatred against what it does and not that it is. But thanks to comments like yours we have to assume that what is does is institutionalized, it’s core and therefore its really about what Israel is.

        So no, nobody has to accept what Israel does or what it is. As nobody had to accept what Nazi Germany or Southafrica under Apartheid did or was.

      • eljay on January 12, 2020, 9:12 am

        || Jon66: Haters gonna hate. ||

        And Zionists gonna be hateful and immoral hypocrites.

      • pjdude on January 12, 2020, 3:35 pm

        @jon66

        but thats the problem. you and yours cry because israel is being treated like any other country and being held accountable for its actions. what you demand is a separate standard for israeli conduct. lets be honest for the crimes it commits daily israel is being treated with kids gloves, any other country that behaved like israel does would have been bombed to oblivion long ago. so spare the bs

      • Jon66 on January 12, 2020, 4:22 pm

        Talk,
        Of course one is free to criticize Israel.

        I was addressing your Washington quote. You know the one in which you left out half of the original. If you think that folks here are only criticizing Israel’s actions and not holding a habitual hatred of Israel than you have not read many of these comments.

      • eljay on January 12, 2020, 6:30 pm

        || pjdude: @jon66

        but thats the problem. you and yours cry because israel is being treated like any other country and being held accountable for its actions. what you demand is a separate standard for israeli conduct. … ||

        And for Zionist conduct. Hypocrisy is an essential part of Zionism.

      • Misterioso on January 12, 2020, 10:48 pm

        @Jon66

        “That’s why we need to hope that those Americans who hold a hatred for a Israel learn to accept it and treat it like other states. Habitual hatred toward any state is unhelpful.”

        Bull crap!! Why should any sane person aware of Zionist Jews of foreign origin more than 71 years of oppressing, dispossessing, expelling, torturing, imprisoning without charge, and killing defenseless indigenous Palestinian Muslims and Christians, including children, who including their ancestors, have lived between the River and the Sea for at least 15,000 years, feel any sympathy whatsoever for the entity referred to as “Israel.”
        You live in a fascistic dream world.

      • RoHa on January 13, 2020, 1:32 am

        “Haters gonna hate.”

        That is the silliest, and probably the most pernicious, of the lines the modern “hate” industry has produced.

        First, accuse a critic, or just someone you don’t like, of “hate”.

        Then follow up with the suggestion that the critic is a sort of psychopath who has chosen, at random, to hate you.

        In spite of the constant claims of hate, most people don’t care enough to hate anyone or anything. When they do, they have reasons. Sometimes they are good reasons. (Misusing pronouns, for example.)

        But you don’t want to admit the possibility that there might actually be good reasons for hating Israel, so you fall back on that bit of nonsense.

      • Talkback on January 13, 2020, 8:29 am

        RoHa: “But you don’t want to admit the possibility that there might actually be good reasons for hating Israel, so you fall back on that bit of nonsense.”

        And he won’t admit that the false accusation of hatred could lead to real hate either.

      • Talkback on January 13, 2020, 8:33 am

        Jon66: “I was addressing your Washington quote. You know the one in which you left out half of the original.”

        Where?

        Jon66: “If you think that folks here are only criticizing Israel’s actions and not holding a habitual hatred of Israel than you have not read many of these comments.”

        I won’t ask you to prove your accusation of “habitual hatred of Israel” because is as irrational and maybe even as hateful as antisemitism,

      • Jon66 on January 13, 2020, 12:37 pm

        Roha,
        Mist asked us to follow Washington’s advice to avoid a “passionate attachment” to other states.
        Washington also advised us to avoid “habitual hatred”.
        There may be reasons why someone would have either a passion for or a hatred of another state. I don’t agree with Washington in this regard, but I was curious if Mist did.
        In addition, I think there are some for whom the hatred of Israel is “habitual”. No matter what Israel does,they find a reason to hate for it. An example would be the humanitarian assistance Israel provides abroad. If the name Israel is attached to it, some will reflexively oppose it.

      • eljay on January 13, 2020, 2:11 pm

        || Jon66: … I think there are some for whom the hatred of Israel is “habitual”. No matter what Israel does,they find a reason to hate for it. An example would be the humanitarian assistance Israel provides abroad. If the name Israel is attached to it, some will reflexively oppose it. ||

        It’s true, people have “habitual” hatred for the registered sex offender. No matter what he does – whether he’s helping out at the local soup kitchen or coaching little league – people will reflexively oppose it and find a reason to hate him.

        But if think Israel has it tough, just imagine what it’s like to be Iran. No matter what it doesn’t even do – like invade other countries or have a nuclear arsenal – people find a reason to hate it.

      • Talkback on January 13, 2020, 2:22 pm

        Jon66: “In addition, I think there are some for whom the hatred of Israel is “habitual”. No matter what Israel does,they find a reason to hate for it.”

        That’s understandable. Israel is doing hateful things to the Palestinians since 1948, not including the decade of Jewish terrorism that preceded its declaration.

        Jon66: “An example would be the humanitarian assistance Israel provides abroad. If the name Israel is attached to it, some will reflexively oppose it.”

        Seriously? You don’t see that this is just a propaganda act? How can an occupying state that keeps a people for more than half a century oppressed while violating their human rights and ruining their livelihood and not even acting in it their wellbeing allthough this is an obligation of an occupier provide other countries with humanitarian assiance and believe that the world will recognize how benign it is? Are you out of your mind?

      • Jon66 on January 13, 2020, 6:52 pm

        Talk,
        That’s precisely what I mean by habitual. I’m not suggesting that you view Israel as “benign”, but rather that individual acts of Israel are not viewed through an objective lens. Instead, the habitual hatred does not allow you to see actions being performed.

      • Jon66 on January 13, 2020, 6:58 pm

        Eljay,
        The people I know don’t have habitual hatred for a registered sex offender. They may be nervous or cautious about that person, but they don’t hate them.
        If that person was doing good deeds they would be encouraged to do more. Otherwise you are assuming that what someone once was is who they will always be.

      • Mooser on January 13, 2020, 7:26 pm

        “In addition, I think there are some for whom the hatred of Israel is “habitual”. No matter what Israel does,they find a reason to hate for it.”

        You are absolutely right, “Jon66”. That’s what can happen when you start a state. So, tell me, what is Zionism’s plan to handle that?
        Kvetch about it?

      • oldgeezer on January 13, 2020, 8:58 pm

        @jon66
        “The people I know don’t have habitual hatred for a registered sex offender.”

        I don’t believe that would be true if he was still perpetrating sexual offences on a regular, sometimes daily, basis. That’s what Israel is doing.

      • eljay on January 13, 2020, 8:58 pm

        || Jon66: Eljay,
        The people I know don’t have habitual hatred for a registered sex offender. They may be nervous or cautious about that person, but they don’t hate them.
        If that person was doing good deeds they would be encouraged to do more. Otherwise you are assuming that what someone once was is who they will always be. ||

        Jon66, you’re absolutely right. Since the discussion is about Israel I should have stuck with the rapist because – unlike registered sex offender, who may have reformed – the rapist continues deliberately and unapologetically to commit evil in his basement even as he “does good deeds” elsewhere. Thanks for correcting me.

      • RoHa on January 13, 2020, 10:05 pm

        ‘ I think there are some for whom the hatred of Israel is “habitual”.’

        And why did such people start hating Israel in the first place, before it became a habit?

      • Talkback on January 14, 2020, 8:16 am

        jon66: “Instead, the habitual hatred does not allow you to see actions being performed.”

        To see a publicity stunt as what it is is not “habitual hatred”, but common sense.

        Seriously what makes you think that you have the right to accuse anyone of hatred who is not even expressing anything negative about Jews as such? Can I claim that you just hate anyone that doesn’t support Israel’s hagiography and that this hatred has become “habitual”?

        You should be ashamed.

        Jon66: “The people I know don’t have habitual hatred for a registered sex offender.”

        Well, they don’t have a lobby that justifies or lies about their crimes and they are usually brought to justice after they have commited their crime the first time. Is that what you want others to do to Israel, too, to stop “habitual hatred” against Israel?

        Please, Jon66 just stop. This discussion will end terrible for you and your golden calf.

      • echinococcus on January 14, 2020, 10:20 am

        66,

        Let me try talking directly to you, as I see you currently bogged down in the marsh of “habitual hatred”, presumably for the rest of the year.

        Hatred is not a necessary part of this, although it is amply justified.

        One surgical analogy may be useful to make you understand: imagine a highly invasive, rapidly growing tumor infiltrating the portal area. You don’t have to hate it to realize it must be taken off one way or the other, as radically as possible.

        Now imagine that the patient had been obese. Your request for the Zionist entity to be praised for sending a red cross team to Haiti is like arguing that the patient’s slimming down thanks to his cancer justifies leaving the tumor alone, as it is helping him finally lose weight.

      • Talkback on January 14, 2020, 12:42 pm

        Re: Haiti

        “Israel’s double standards over Haiti

        The Israeli relief effort in Haiti is laudable, but it underlines the state’s indifference to those suffering on its own doorstep. […]

        However, for all that Israel’s sterling work overseas deserves to be praised, it highlights the lack of compassion shown by the country’s leaders to those suffering on its own doorstep. Israel’s insistence on doing next to nothing to alleviate the suffering in Gaza while rushing to Haiti’s aid exposes just how far they are prepared to stray from the religious teachings to which they claim to adhere. Likewise, when Zionist movements such as Bnei Akiva trumpet the achievements of Israel’s relief teams as representative of the entire Jewish people, they inadvertently tar all Jews with the same brush when Israel’s frequent violations of international law are brought to light. […]

        Questions should be asked about why Israel – which has proved itself incredibly capable when it comes to responding to certain humanitarian crises – is so intransigent about assisting the Palestinians. If, as many claim, Israel’s leaders believe it to be in their long-term interests to slowly strangle Gaza’s economy and destroy its infrastructure as a means to topple Hamas, it is a reprehensible way to behave. It is a damning indictment of Israel that it is prepared only to come to the aid of those who fit certain political critieria, rather than that of every victim crying out for intervention.”
        https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2010/jan/22/israel-haiti-relief-palestine

        Sound analysis or or just “habitual hatred”?

      • Mooser on January 14, 2020, 1:09 pm

        “The people I know don’t have habitual hatred for a registered sex offender. They may be nervous or cautious about that person, but they don’t hate them.” “Jon66”

        ROTLMSJAO!! Yeah, they may be a little nervous, but they still send the kids to his home for private religious instruction anyway? Ho-kay!

      • Jon66 on January 14, 2020, 7:03 pm

        Talk,
        It is a damning indictment of Israel that it is prepared only to come to the aid of those who fit certain political critieria, rather than that of every victim crying out for intervention.”

        Is it an indictment if I donate to breast cancer and not prostate cancer? Or the SPCA vs the Sierra club? Do I need to assist every victim? If that’s the standard, I don’t think anyone passes.

      • Jon66 on January 14, 2020, 7:14 pm

        O’hare,
        And why did such people start hating Israel in the first place, before it became a habit?

        I don’t know.
        But my original question is this.
        If we looking to Washington for advice about avoiding a passionate attachment, why are we not also looking to his advice in the same sentence to avoid a habitual hatred? Washington viewed them as equally poor choices.

      • RoHa on January 14, 2020, 10:07 pm

        “And why did such people start hating Israel in the first place, before it became a habit?

        I don’t know.”

        Here are a couple of possibilities:
        (A) Because they are psychopath haters who chose Israel to hate.
        (B) Because of Israel’s evil conduct.

        Which do you pick?

        “But my original question is this.
        If we looking to Washington for advice about avoiding a passionate attachment, why are we not also looking to his advice in the same sentence to avoid a habitual hatred? ”

        I don’t give a hoot about Washington, but Israel hasn’t reformed, so the reasons for hatred are still there. It isn’t just a habit without a reason.

      • eljay on January 15, 2020, 7:49 am

        Jon66 seems to be working very hard to make the very weak and, IMO, very dangerous argument that there’s nothing wrong with any person, group of people or country committing (war) crimes as long as that person, group of people or country does good deeds on the side.

        IOW, regardless of whatever evil they might do (including oppressing or killing Jews), “habitual hatred” is the only reason anyone would steadfastly oppose:
        – a North Korea that donates shipsful of food to needy countries;
        – a Saudi Arabia that contributes generously to breast cancer research
        – a Russian leader who volunteers at soup kitchens; or
        – any “Islamic” organization that helps fight forest fires.

      • Talkback on January 15, 2020, 12:14 pm

        jon66: “Is it an indictment if I donate to breast cancer and not prostate cancer?”

        It is an indictment if you donate to breast cancer to look good and to disctract from the fact that you are responsible for prostate cancer and don’t do anything about it.

      • Talkback on January 15, 2020, 12:30 pm

        jon66: “I don’t know.”

        It’s not my intention to insult you, but I see only these two options:
        1.) You are a pathetic liar who knows very well what Zionists have been doing to Nonjews in Palestine and are doing today to anyone who criticizes it and which could lead to hating Israel.
        2.) You are a pathetic racists who thinks that this perfectly ok as long as Jews do this and therefore could never lead to hatred.

        Which is it? Both?

      • Jon66 on January 15, 2020, 1:08 pm

        Talk,

        You chose the quote. It says nothing about cause. So I repeat, do I need to help every victim, or can I direct my efforts to some?

        “It is a damning indictment of Israel that it is prepared only to come to the aid of those who fit certain political critieria, rather than that of every victim crying out for intervention.”

      • Jon66 on January 15, 2020, 1:10 pm

        Roha,
        I don’t view Washington as authoritative on this either. But if Mist is going to quote him as a source, at least the full context of the quote should be used.

      • Talkback on January 15, 2020, 3:05 pm

        jon66: “So I repeat, do I need to help every victim, or can I direct my efforts to some?”

        That’s not the right question. The question is about Israel’s motive to help someone whose suffering is not Israel’s fault instead of helping Palestinans for whose suffering and well-being Israel is responsible under the law of occupation.

        And the conclusion is of course that simply helping someone – the Haitians – out of good will was not Israel’s primary motive, but to act as someone who is helpful to distract from how it makes Palestinians suffer.

        And this kind of dishonesty lead to more hate against Israel.

        It’s like a criminal helping anybody else but his victims because he wants to appear as helpful human being and distract from his crimes.

      • Talkback on January 15, 2020, 3:52 pm

        Jon66: “Roha,
        I don’t view Washington as authoritative on this either. But if Mist is going to quote him as a source, at least the full context of the quote should be used.”

        So after Jon66 was dishonest enough to claim that he doesn’t know why people hate Israel he’s now dishonest enough to avoid answering RoHa’s question:

        Roha: ““And why did such people start hating Israel in the first place, before it became a habit?”
        Jon66: “I don’t know.”
        RoHa: “Here are a couple of possibilities:
        (A) Because they are psychopath haters who chose Israel to hate.
        (B) Because of Israel’s evil conduct.

        Which do you pick?”

        It’s pathetic.

      • echinococcus on January 15, 2020, 4:17 pm

        Eljay,

        In addition to your continual sneaky propaganda for a “right” of the Zionist entity to its colonialist-gifted stolen territory, you could at least abstain from peddling US imperial propaganda, even through their shameless government tool HRW.

      • RoHa on January 15, 2020, 7:13 pm

        Jon66, it was you, not Mist or Washington, who trotted out the “haters gonna hate” line, and then tried to tie it to Washington’s bit about “habitual hatred”.

      • RoHa on January 15, 2020, 7:14 pm

        “world’s only Chinese state”

        Errr … isn’t Taiwan a Chinese state?

      • eljay on January 15, 2020, 7:22 pm

        || RoHa: … Errr … isn’t Taiwan a Chinese state? ||

        As far as I know, Taiwan is either:
        – the “world’s only Taiwanese state”; or
        – part of the “world’s only Chinese state”.

      • RoHa on January 15, 2020, 8:12 pm

        OK, the PRC says it’s just a rebel province.
        The rest of the world treats it as a de facto state, even if it isn’t admitted to be one de jure.

      • RoHa on January 15, 2020, 10:58 pm

        But the official name is “Republic of China”, even if they do now add “Taiwan” as a clarifier, but not as part of the name. That looks pretty Chinese to me.

      • Mooser on January 17, 2020, 3:31 am

        In addition to your continual sneaky…/…peddling US imperial propaganda, even through their shameless government tool HRW. “Echin”

        Hey, look, we all take your point, but do you have to sound so much like an NKVD agent turning in a denunciation to Stalin?

      • Talkback on January 17, 2020, 3:39 am

        So another accusation of (“habitual”) “hatred” against Israel turned out to be a disaster for the accuser (this time it was jon66) who chose to chicken out (as they do).

        The only reason this time was that jon66 is psychologically not to able admit that the reason why people hate Israel could be because of Zionist policies against Nonjews and anyone who dares to criticize them. Maybe he’s psychologically not eben able to acknowledge Zionist wrong doings in general, because of Zionist indoctrination and brainwashing. Poor fellow.

      • echinococcus on January 17, 2020, 8:24 am

        Mooser,

        Excuse me for attempting yet again to hold your nose to the grinder, I mean the grinder of the point to be addressed. Meaning, could you please start by proving that what I wrote is mendacious or at least false. After which, be my guest to proceed with aspersions to your heart’s content.

        Also bear in mind that what you consider insulting may well be taken as flattery by other people…

      • Jon66 on January 17, 2020, 11:18 am

        Talk,
        I haven’t responded not because of cowardice, but rather because you have decided to throw ad hominem rather than ideas. So I’m signing off. Best of luck in your future endeavors.
        “ It’s not my intention to insult you, but I see only these two options:
        1.) You are a pathetic liar who knows very well what Zionists have been doing to Nonjews in Palestine and are doing today to anyone who criticizes it and which could lead to hating Israel.
        2.) You are a pathetic racists who thinks that this perfectly ok as long as Jews do this and therefore could never lead to hatred.

        Which is it? Both?”

      • Talkback on January 17, 2020, 1:06 pm

        Jon66: “Talk,
        I haven’t responded not because of cowardice, but rather because you have decided to throw ad hominem rather than ideas. So I’m signing off. Best of luck in your future endeavors.
        “ It’s not my intention to insult you, but I see only these two options:
        1.) You are a pathetic liar who knows very well what Zionists have been doing to Nonjews in Palestine and are doing today to anyone who criticizes it and which could lead to hating Israel.
        2.) You are a pathetic racists who thinks that this perfectly ok as long as Jews do this and therefore could never lead to hatred.

        Which is it? Both?”

        Yes, Jon66. These are the only two options I see when you claim that you don’t know why anyone could hate Israel. There may be more options. But you don’t seem to be able to provide one. And the fact is that you continue to evade RoHa’s question. Do you actually believe that nobody can see through your evasive “accuse others of hatred” hit and run tactic? So much for ad hominem rather than ideas.

      • Mooser on January 17, 2020, 3:59 pm

        “Also bear in mind that what you consider insulting may well be taken as flattery by other people…”

        You don’t think maybe you’re just a bit, just a teeny-weeny little bit too much into your role as anti-Zionist dialectic commissar?

      • Jon66 on January 17, 2020, 8:55 pm

        Talk, Roha.

        Here’s a quote from the original Hamas charter.
        Perhaps this gives us an insight into why they hold such hatred.
        “ With their money, they took control of the world media, news agencies, the press, publishing houses, broadcasting stations, and others. With their money they stirred revolutions in various parts of the world with the purpose of achieving their interests and reaping the fruit therein. They were behind the French Revolution, the Communist revolution and most of the revolutions we heard and hear about, here and there. With their money, they formed secret societies, such as Freemason, Rotary Clubs, the Lions and others in different parts of the world for the purpose of sabotaging societies and achieving Zionist interests. With their money they were able to control imperialistic countries and instigate them to colonize many countries in order to enable them to exploit their resources and spread corruption there.”

        It’s all because of the damn Rotary clubs causing the French Revolution.

        Seriously. I’m sure some have antipathy toward Israel for what they feel are legitimate reasons. Some have a habitual hatred. That is, the reaction to any news from Israel is automatically viewed through the lens of this hatred without independent evaluation. Are you denying that this is a reflex reaction in many here.? That the majority of the commenters view Israeli actions without bias?

      • echinococcus on January 17, 2020, 9:40 pm

        Mooser,

        The post you’re trying so hard to deflect to said ” could you please start by proving that what I wrote is mendacious or at least false. After which, be my guest…”

        Still no answer to the point.

      • Mooser on January 17, 2020, 11:49 pm

        “Jon 66” why can’t you face the fact that people will hate Israel for good reasons and bad reasons. Just like any other state or country.

        Other states are able to deal with it, why can’t Israel? Do you think you can simply order people to feel a certain way towards Israel?

        For gawd’s sake “Jon 66”, you ought to know, as a Jewish person, that antisemitism is an everyday fact of life. Why doesn’t Zionism take the inevitable effects of antisemitism into account and have a plan to deal with it?
        Or will you stop antisemitism by whining about it?

      • echinococcus on January 18, 2020, 2:43 am

        Route 66 seems to have gotten to his cruising speed on his new transcontinental whining topic, “Habitual Hatred According to GW”. There will be no relenting before he reaches the West Coast. Or even crosses the ocean to Hawai’í, who knows?

      • Talkback on January 18, 2020, 10:21 am

        jon66: “Talk, Roha.

        Here’s a quote from the original Hamas charter.”

        Here are two more from the obsolete charter:
        “Only under the shadow of Islam could the members of all regions coexist in safety and security for their lives, properties and rights.”

        “Under the shadow of Islam it is possible for the members of the three religions: Islam, Christianity and Judaism to coexist in safety and security. Safety and security can only prevail under the shadow of Islam, and recent and ancient history is the best witness to that effect.”

        But why do you think that the accusations you quoted are the reasons for hate and not what Zionism did to Palestine which resulted in the founding of Hamas and the writing of this charter? Do you still need to deny that Zionism could be the main reason for hate?

        jon66: “Seriously. I’m sure some have antipathy toward Israel for what they feel are legitimate reasons.”

        Sure, jon66. Nobody has legtimate reasons to hate Israel for what it does to Palestinans or those who criticize it. They only “feel” that they have legitimate reasons, right? Maybe it’s just you who “feels” habitual hatred” without any legitimate reasons.

        jon66: “Some have a habitual hatred.”

        Yep. And you have to deny that this correlates with Zionist settler colonialism and Apartheid and its inhumane and disenfrenchizing policies towards the natives.

        jon66: “That is, the reaction to any news from Israel is automatically viewed through the lens of this hatred without independent evaluation.”

        You can’t still prove it. And how could you? How can you even know that someone feels hate? Is it maybe your own hate that you are projecting. And reaction to any news from Israel doesn’t need to have its approval to be “indepedent”.

        jon66: “Are you denying that this is a reflex reaction in many here.?”

        I think that the accusation of hatred/antisemitism is the actual reflex reaction.

        jon66: “That the majority of the commenters view Israeli actions without bias?”

        Bias is not hatred. People can be biased, because they lean towards the oppressed or they see through the propaganda attempts of the oppressor. And from my experience every Zionist accusation of hatred masks its own racism and tries to distract from it.

    • Jon66 on January 11, 2020, 12:25 pm

      Mist,
      From the same address
      “The nation which in- dulges towards another an habitual hatred, or an habitual fondness, is in some degree a slave. It is a slave to its animosity or to its affection, either of which is sufficient to lead it astray from its duty and its interest. Antipathy in one nation against another disposes each more readily to offer insult and in- jury, to lay hold of slight causes of umbrage, and to be haughty and intractable when accidental…”

      And that’s why I’m sure you would speak against those who have “habitual hatred” against Israel.

      • Mooser on January 11, 2020, 1:10 pm

        “And that’s why I’m sure you would speak against those who have “habitual hatred” against Israel.”

        Sure, “Jon66”, you bet. Certain perfectly predictable and reasonably expectable consequences of Zionism and Israel’s actions just aren’t supposed to happen? Why is that?

      • Talkback on January 12, 2020, 5:31 am

        jon66: And that’s why I’m sure you would speak against those who have “habitual hatred” against Israel.”

        Why would anybody speak against the hatred that Israel creates by what it habitually does to Palestinians and those who support them?

      • Mooser on January 13, 2020, 12:29 pm

        “Jon66”- You are doing this all wrong! It’s not Washington’s (the great Indian fighter and, ummm, surveyor) Farewell Address you should be referring to, it’s Washington’s Letter to the Touro Synagogue .
        This high-handed letter from Washington, which reduced Jews to the level of ordinary US citizens, and eliminated Jewish national rights in America, shows us why Israel must exist.

      • echinococcus on January 13, 2020, 6:24 pm

        “a Government, which to bigotry gives no sanction, to persecution no assistance…”

        Sounds like a nice country to be in; that’s where I want to move to. Where is it?

      • Mooser on January 13, 2020, 7:58 pm

        “a Government, which to bigotry gives no sanction, to persecution no assistance…”

        Exactly, “Echin”. With that sentence, Washington made it clear he would deny Jewish national rights. The Jews would not be recognized as a people in the US. Why, not even the African-American slaves and the Native Americans were refused the right to be a separate people!

      • Mooser on January 17, 2020, 3:43 pm

        So, I was thinking about Washington’s letter last night, and he must have written one of those ” to bigotry gives no sanction, to persecution no assistance” letters to African-American slaves, and Native Americans, but I guess those letters must be lost. Must be.

        But at any rate, a first Presidential invitation to inclusion, and a government which has never violated it. Pretty incredible, given what the US was capable of dishing out to others, and events in Europe.
        Does make me wonder, was a quid pro quo demanded? I mean, it’s not like we owe the US anything for this, right, it is simply what we’re entitled to, after all…

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