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As ‘blatant racism’ unravels Netanyahu’s opposition, liberal Zionists put their heads in the sand

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The other day I wrote a hopeful– and wrong– article saying that the smashing success in the Israeli election of the Palestinian Joint List might spell the end of the Netanyahu era, because the Jewish party Blue-White would be able to put together a “minority government” with the support of the 15 Palestinian legislators.

Within hours that hope was smashed by the refusal of three Jewish lawmakers in the opposition to Netanyahu to be part of any government that is dependent on Palestinians. The conventional wisdom is that Netanyahu will stay prime minister. Even as he puts up billboards that spread hatred against Palestinians.

The manifest racism has been a big event in Israeli politics. “Two Refined Racists From [Benny] Gantz’s Party Foil His Chance at Replacing Netanyahu,” Haaretz headlined an article.  In the Jerusalem Post, former PM Ehud Olmert repeatedly called out the politicians for “racist policy” and said intolerance was putting the entire country at risk. “Racism Is Fueling Israel’s Paralysis,” Mitchell Plitnick writes at Responsible Statecraft. While our own Jonathan Ofir titled his account, “Israel’s electoral struggle for racial purity.”

Even the New York Times finally covered the story. Though the Times story plays down the politicians’ racism, it can’t avoid the central fact: “Netanyahu could be ousted if Jewish lawmakers accept Arab support. But to many Israelis, that is unthinkable.”

This is not a new trend. The same electoral racism got Israel to a third election following the deadlock in the election last September, when the Joint List had only 13 seats; and today’s racist deadlock involving 15 Joint List seats may lead to a fourth election.

The most disturbing thing about the impasse is just how acceptable racism is in Israeli Jewish politics. An op-ed writer in a leading paper says that the Palestinians’ success is democracy “run amok,” and Benny Gantz attempted a “putsch” by trying to work with them. “This is an educated, buttoned-up, cultured racism,” Yossi Verter writes in Haaretz of the two refined racists in Gantz’s own Blue-White party. “[Yoaz] Hendel… comes from a culture of ‘concerts in Vienna.'” But the idea of serving in a government supported by Palestinians gives him “chills.”

As for the third crucial racist, Orly Levy-Abekasis was elected to the Knesset in a partnership of her party with Labor and Meretz. Meretz is the most leftwing Jewish party there is. The Meretz leaders have attacked Levy-Abekasis for her betrayal, but so what. Why did they throw in with this rightwing politician in the first place? Why did they build that political alliance by demoting a Palestinian legislator, Issawi Freij, so that he wasn’t reelected?

Meretz’s collapse demonstrates that there is no vitality in the Jewish Zionist left. The Palestinian Joint List is the only address for progress in Israel. “There is no life, no existence for the Israel left and even center without the partnership with the Israeli Arabs,” an Israeli politician told J Street in a video conference.

Ehud Olmert also says that Palestinian politicians are all that can save Israel, but it’s an uphill battle in a society that doesn’t see Palestinians as equals.

It’s time for change. It’s time for everyone to change their mindset and accept that Israeli Arabs have changed their strategy. They are bona fide citizens of Israel and they are finally ready to exercise their rights and take an active role in the legitimate and democratic political process that is the lifeblood of Israeli society.

This tragedy is also an American one. The racism gets very little coverage among liberals in the United States. The New York Times leaves Levy-Abekasis and Meretz out of its story.

Imagine if the Democratic Party elected politicians who refused to work with black leaders. The outrage would be neverending here.

Liberal Zionists are accountable because Meretz leaders are always stars at their events, showing American Jews the good face of Israel. But liberal Zionist organizations are not decrying the racism. I have seen no denunciations of Zvi Hauser, Hendel and Levy-Abekasis– let alone formal statements on the crisis of bigotry — from Americans for Peace Now, J Street, or the Israel Policy Forum. They are putting their energy into trying to elect a “progressive” slate to the World Zionist Congress. Fiddling while Rome burns.

Benjamin Netanyahu shows the number of votes cast for Jewish Zionist parties, in saying that the Joint List’s 15 seats don’t count; Palestinians are not part of the equation in Israel. Screenshot from his twitter feed.

American liberal Zionists are Jewish nationalists, so they seem to accept that this is the price of having a “Jewish democracy.” At Israel Policy Forum, Michael Koplow is in favor of Blue-White making a new government with the “outside” support of the 15 Joint List votes, but he also includes arguments against their inclusion:

There are plenty of reasons to oppose the Joint List’s inclusion in a coalition, from questions about their MKs’ past behavior and statements to Balad’s ongoing refusal to recognize the legitimacy of Zionism to MK Heba Yazbak’s paeans to terrorists such as Samir Kuntar….

If you think the Joint List should not be part of Israel’s politics, that is your right to believe and to express. Some of the Joint List’s policy positions are obviously objectionable

By Koplow’s standard, few Jewish politicians of Israel would survive the cut… But Koplow says that American Jews should celebrate the fact that Israeli Jewish parties hold “all of Israel’s political power.”

Israeli Jewish parties hold all of Israel’s political power and have thoroughly defeated any attempt to erase Zionism and eradicate the Jewish state. We should all be grateful for that and celebrate it wholeheartedly.

There is good reason that the Joint List is not Zionist. Palestinians have been ethnically cleansed by Israel for more than 70 years and the process continues merrily along today in the West Bank. It is inarguable at this point that second- and third-class status for non-Jews is in the very constitution of the idea of Jewish democracy. Liberal Americans who support Israel can’t afford to face that truth. They are hanging on to a romance about the country, even as it is roiled by racism.

Philip Weiss

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  1. Misterioso on March 13, 2020, 3:47 pm

    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-education-minister-to-speak-at-confab-honoring-rabbi-who-praised-hebron-massacre-1.7619653

    “Education Minister to Speak at Confab Honoring Rabbi Who Praised Hebron Massacre” Haaretz, August 9/2019 by Shira Kadari-Ovadia.

    “Rafi Peretz and Bezalel Smotrich will be guests of honor as Rabbi Yitzchak Ginsburgh, seen by many as a spiritual figure for violent settler extremists, receives prize.”

    “Education Minister Rabbi Rafi Peretz and Transportation Minister Bezalel Smotrich are set to give speeches at a conference which will also honor a rabbi who praised the 1994 Hebron massacre and was previously charged with inciting racism.

    “The ministers, who are both running in the United Right political alliance in the September election, will speak at a Thursday event during which a prize will be awarded to Rabbi Yitzchak Ginsburgh.

    “The U.S.-born rabbi is known for publishing a pamphlet praising the actions of religious extremist Baruch Goldstein, who in 1994 carried out the massacre in the Tomb of the Patriachs, in which he killed 29 Muslims at prayer. Ginsburgh is also among the rabbis who endorsed the book ‘The King’s Torah,’ which discusses circumstances in which Jews may kill non-Jews according to Jewish law.

    “The prize will be awarded under the auspices of an institution called the ‘Cathedra for Torah and Wisdom,’ which received approximately 25,000 shekels ($7,162) in 2017 and 2018 from the Education Ministry’s department for Jewish culture.

    “In response to a query from Haaretz, the Education Ministry said it would not be funding this institution in 2019. Peretz’s spokesperson said the minister is proud to attend the event, but added both he and the ministry were not involved in choosing the recipients of the awards.”

    • Misterioso on March 14, 2020, 5:08 pm

      A message from Palestinian Samia Khoury, a mighty woman, a champion of her people, matriarch of the eminent Khoury family and a lifetime resident of Jerusalem:

      “We are a People with a Name”
      March 14, 2020.

      “On top of all the generous gifts that the President of the USA, Mr. Donald Trump, gave to Israel in his deal of the century, the USA is now referring to the Palestinians of Jerusalem as non-Israelis.

      “Not much different from the letter of November 2, 1917 which Lord Arthur Balfour, Foreign Secretary of Great Britain at the time wrote to Mr. Rothschild, a leader of the British Jewish community for transmission to the Zionist Federation of Great Britain and Ireland assuring him that ‘His Majesty’s government views with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this objective, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.’

      “Ironic indeed that the indigenous Palestinian Arabs who were the majority of the population of Palestine at that time, would be referred to as non-Jews.

      “It seems the ‘big powers’ have a problem defining us by our proper name. We are a distinct people, Palestinians, part of the Arab nation with civil, national and political rights. We will stay put on our land fighting for our rights, all our rights no matter what demonic schemes Israel and the US have for us.”

      • catalan on March 15, 2020, 9:49 am

        “We are a distinct people, Palestinians, part of the Arab nation” misterioso
        So a Palestinian herself says she is an Arab. And yet you have been claiming that Palestinians are Canaanites. Are they Arab or Canaanite?

  2. wondering jew on March 14, 2020, 1:47 am

    1. The rejection of Balad is justified. Not all of the parties that are part of the Joint Arab List are as righteous as Odeh. Certainly much too many Israeli Jews reject making common cause with Odeh, but there is a reason why a partnership with Balad is more than merely difficult.

    2. American support for Israel with a carte blanche which was accomplished by whoever went to Barak Obama in 2012 and set him “straight” is clearly the wrong tack regarding Israeli flexibility.

    3. Israelis are pretty united against Obama’s treaty with Iran.

    4. Neither the one state solution nor the two state solution is ideal. The one state would start as it is now and would evolve over time into a one man one vote. (This evolve over time is a vision rather than a plan. It is not clear how the role of the PLO and Hamas, who are not willing to concede Palestinian ownership over the West Bank to this one state, how can they play a role in this one state evolution. This is unclear.) The two state solution (without a blank check right of return to Israel ’48) will leave much reconciliation in the deficit column. Also some major settlement blocs are problematic. But it is mostly “impossible” because the Jewish Israeli voting public is opposed to it and will remain opposed to it, unless and until it would be forced down their throats.

    Leftist American Zionists who assume that a 2 state is achievable without heavy US pressure are either lying to themselves or to everyone else. It is not easy to change from “as much American support as Congress is willing to provide” to “as much American pressure as will be required to get Israel to change”. These are opposite states of mind and a leap is involved.

  3. jw500 on March 14, 2020, 11:48 am

    “Imagine if the Democratic Party elected politicians who refused to work with black leaders. The outrage would be neverending here”

    If there was a black nationalist party that favored either turning America into a Black majority party by importing millions of Africans or which said America was fundamentally immoral and needed to be disassembled, then all but the worst fringe elements of the Democratic party would oppose it.

    There should be no “Arab” party in Israel just like there is no Hispanic party in the USA. Israeli Arabs can vote for any party but there should be no anti-Zionist party at all, just like the Nazi party is banned in Germany.

    • Mooser on March 14, 2020, 12:34 pm

      “If there was a black nationalist party that favored either turning America into a Black majority party by importing millions of Africans or which said America was fundamentally immoral and needed to be disassembled” “jw500”

      Please don’t say that. This is the second time you have used that example. An example that is so probable, and terrifying I’d rather you wouldn’t talk about it. Makes me all verklemperer and it’s hard to conduct myself properly.

    • lyn117 on March 14, 2020, 12:43 pm

      Zionists turned Israel into a Jewish-majority country by a) importing hundreds of thousands of Jews and b) mass murdering and terrorizing its indigenous population into leaving. Black Africans aren’t indigenous to the US, but Palestinian most exiles are indigenous to what’s now Israel. If Democrats opposed allowing an indigenous population returning to their original homes, they would be out and out racists.

      • jw500 on March 14, 2020, 1:59 pm

        Zionism did turn Israel into a Jewish-majority country but they did not “import” anyone. Jews returned to their homeland voluntarily. Jews did defend themselves and did kill Arabs who were trying to kill them. Good! You seem to forget that Arabs/Muslims turned Palestine into an Arab/Muslim land (and the rest of the Middle East) through military force and imposition of Islam.

        Jews are indigenous to Israel longer than Arabs are. Arabs could live among Jews in an Israel (and they do today) but frankly not too many of them. Just like 500 million Chinese cannot move to America and turn it into another China. Meanwhile, no Jews in any Arab countries.

        Democrats and Republicans (their ancestors) wiped out the indigenous people, that’s why they are allowed to “return.” Are you suggesting Israel should wipe out 99% of the Palestinians and allow the rest to “return.” Israel is MUCH better than America in this regard. The Palestinians live to go live with their fellow Arabs in 21 Arab nations.

      • eljay on March 14, 2020, 2:43 pm

        || jw500: Zionism did turn Israel into a Jewish-majority country … ||

        Zionism converted most of geographic Palestine into a religion-supremacist “Jewish State” at the expense of the region’s indigenous population.

        || … Jews are indigenous to Israel longer than Arabs are. … ||

        All geographic Palestinians have been indigenous to geographic Palestine far longer than Jewish citizens of homelands elsewhere in the world.

      • Misterioso on March 14, 2020, 3:37 pm

        @jw500

        “Jews are indigenous to Israel longer than Arabs are.”

        Patent long since debunked nonsense!!

        Reality:
        The Jebusite/Canaanites were ancestors of today’s Palestinians and it was they who founded Jerusalem circa 3000 BCE. Originally known as Jebus, the first recorded reference to it as “Rushalimum” or “Urussalim,” site of the sacred Foundation Rock, appears in Egyptian Execration Texts of the nineteenth century BCE, nearly 800 years before it is alleged King David was born. Its name “seems to have incorporated the name of the Syrian god Shalem [the Canaanite God of Dusk], who was identified with the setting sun or the evening star…and] can probably be translated as ‘Shalem has founded’.” (Karen Armstrong, Jerusalem, One City, Three Faiths; Alfred A. Knopf, New York, 1996, pp. 6-7)

        It is estimated that the Hebrews did not invade until circa 1184 BCE and their resulting United Kingdom of Israel, which never controlled the coast from Jaffa to Gaza, lasted only about 75–80 years, i.e., less than a blip in the history of Canaan and Palestine. Even the Hasmonean Dynasty under the Maccabees lasted only about 70 years (circa 140 – 70 BCE) and it was under Roman control.

        BTW, no credible archaeological evidence, or more importantly, writings of contemporaneous civilizations, have been found that prove Solomon or David actually existed. (Nor has any evidence been discovered to confirm that the Jewish exodus from Egypt ever occurred. )

        By about 1300 CE there were virtually no Jews in Palestine, which was a recognized geographical concept using coinage with “Filistin” written on them. There were diaries of Palestinian travelers who said they missed “Palestine” and a distinctive Palestinian dialect of Arabic had evolved. From 1300 on, the vast majority of people who lived in Palestine were Christians and Muslims.

        Renowned historian/anthropologist and “Holy Land” specialist, the late Professor Ilene Beatty: “When we speak of ‘Palestinians’ or of the ‘Arab population [of Palestine]‘, we must bear in mind their Canaanite origin. This is important because their legal right to the country stems… from the fact that the Canaanites were first, which gives them priority; their descendants have continued to live there, which gives them continuity; and (except for the 800,000 dispossessed refugees [of 1948 along with the further hundreds of thousands expelled before and after the war Israel launched on 5 June 1967]) they are still living there, which gives them present possession. Thus we see that on purely statistical grounds they have a proven legal right to their own land.” (“Arab and Jew in the Land of Canaan,” 1957)

        To quote Polish born David Ben-Gurion (real name, David Gruen): “‘race’ does not unite Jewry since the ancient people dissipated after so much dispersion.” (Philippe de Saint Robert, Le Jeu de la France en Mediteranee, 1970, p.182)

        “The Racist Gene” Haaretz, June 21, 2017: EXCERPT: “In 2013, the results were published of a study by the prominent British geneticist Martin Richards, who specializes in researching the maternal genome, which passes from the mother to all of her descendants. Richards researched the maternal genetic ancestry of Ashkenazi Jews. And lo and behold, he discovered that 80 percent or more (!) of the maternal genetic makeup of Ashkenazi Jews derives from European women – goys, heaven forbid. Gevalt! Devoid of any gene originating in the Land of Israel.”

        Furthermore:
        http://journal.frontiersin.org/article/10.3389/fgene.2017.00087/full

        Front. Genet., 21 June 2017 | https://doi.org/10.3389/fgene.2017.00087
        “The Origins of Ashkenaz, Ashkenazic Jews, and Yiddish”

        “Recent genetic samples from bones found in Palestine dating to the Epipaleolithic (20000-10500 BCE) showed remarkable resemblance to modern day Palestinians.”

        EXCERPTS:
        “The non-Levantine origin of AJs [Ashkenazi Jews] is further supported by an ancient DNA analysis of six Natufians and a Levantine Neolithic (Lazaridis et al., 2016), some of the most likely Judaean progenitors (Finkelstein and Silberman, 2002; Frendo, 2004). In a principle component analysis (PCA), the ancient Levantines clustered predominantly with modern-day Palestinians and Bedouins and marginally overlapped with Arabian Jews, whereas AJs clustered away from Levantine individuals and adjacent to Neolithic Anatolians and Late Neolithic and Bronze Age Europeans.”

        “Overall, the combined results are in a strong agreement with the predictions of the Irano-Turko-Slavic hypothesis (Table 1) and rule out an ancient Levantine origin for AJs, which is predominant among modern-day Levantine populations (e.g., Bedouins and Palestinians). This is not surprising since Jews differed in cultural practices and norms (Sand, 2011) and tended to adopt local customs (Falk, 2006). Very little Palestinian Jewish culture survived outside of Palestine (Sand, 2009). For example, the folklore and folkways of the Jews in northern Europe is distinctly pre-Christian German (Patai, 1983) and Slavic in origin, which disappeared among the latter (Wexler, 1993, 2012).”

      • Misterioso on March 14, 2020, 4:17 pm

        @jw500

        “Arabs/Muslims turned Palestine into an Arab/Muslim land (and the rest of the Middle East) through military force and imposition of Islam.”

        For your much needed edification:

        https://www.soas.ac.uk/religions-and-philosophies/events/jordan-lectures-in-comparative-religion/14may2012-opening-lecture-how-islam-saved-the-jews.html

        “So, what did the Muslims do for the Jews? – How Islam Saved the Jews.”
        Lecture by Professor David J Wasserstein.

        David J Wasserstein is the Eugene Greener Jr. Professor of Jewish Studies at Vanderbilt University. This article is adapted from his May, 2012, Jordan Lectures in Comparative Religion at the School of Oriental and African Studies.

        Excerpt:
        “Islam saved Jewry. This is an unpopular, discomforting claim in the modern world. But it is a historical truth. The argument for it is double. First, in 570 CE, when the Prophet Mohammad was born, the Jews and Judaism were on the way to oblivion. And second, the coming of Islam saved them, providing a new context in which they not only survived, but flourished, laying foundations for subsequent Jewish cultural prosperity – also in Christendom – through the medieval period into the modern world.

        “By the fourth century, Christianity had become the dominant religion in the Roman Empire. One aspect of this success was opposition to rival faiths, including Judaism, along with massive conversion of members of such faiths, sometimes by force, to Christianity. Much of our testimony about Jewish existence in the Roman Empire from this time on consists of accounts of conversions.

        “Great and permanent reductions in numbers through conversion, between the fourth and the seventh centuries, brought with them a gradual but relentless whittling away of the status, rights, social and economic existence, and religious and cultural life of Jews all over the Roman Empire.

        “A long series of enactments deprived Jewish people of their rights as citizens, prevented them from fulfilling their religious obligations, and excluded them from the society of their fellows.

        “Had Islam not come along, Jewry in the west would have declined to disappearance and Jewry in the east would have become just another oriental cult. This went along with the centuries-long military and political struggle with Persia. As a tiny element in the Christian world, the Jews should not have been affected much by this broad, political issue. Yet it affected them critically, because the Persian Empire at this time included Babylon – now Iraq – at the time home to the world’s greatest concentration of Jews.

        “Here also were the greatest centres of Jewish intellectual life. The most important single work of Jewish cultural creativity in over 3,000 years, apart from the Bible itself – the Talmud – came into being in Babylon. The struggle between Persia and Byzantium, in our period, led increasingly to a separation between Jews under Byzantine, Christian rule and Jews under Persian rule. Beyond all this, the Jews who lived under Christian rule seemed to have lost the knowledge of their own culturally specific languages – Hebrew and Aramaic – and to have taken on the use of Latin or Greek or other non-Jewish, local, languages. This in turn must have meant that they also lost access to the central literary works of Jewish culture – the Torah, Mishnah, poetry, midrash, even liturgy.”

      • Mooser on March 14, 2020, 8:09 pm

        “Zionism did turn Israel into a Jewish-majority country but they did not “import” anyone. Jews returned to their homeland voluntarily.”

        And remember, Jews only marry other Jews, and Judaism descends exclusively through the maternal line, and every Jew in Israel passes this test. They are the real thing and genetic testing (called “carrier testing”) can prove it.
        They are all as pure as the driven schmo.

    • bcg on March 14, 2020, 12:55 pm

      @jw500: Recently the New York Times published an article titled “Israel Faces a Defining Question: How Much Democracy Should Arabs Get?”

      https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/12/world/middleeast/israel-arabs-vote.html

      Here’s the last two paragraphs:

      Regardless of what comes of Mr. Gantz’s effort to dislodge Mr. Netanyahu, Israeli Jews now need to find a new way of forging common cause with a galvanized, stronger and more confident Arab minority, Mr. Rabinovich said.

      “If you’re a mainstream Israeli, you say, ‘OK, they don’t accept our claim to the land, we have different narratives, but we now both live in the same country, they’re equal citizens, and they’ve discovered their political might,’” he said. “If you have your head screwed on, you find a way of living with them.”

    • eljay on March 14, 2020, 1:16 pm

      || jw500: … There should be no “Arab” party in Israel … ||

      There should be no “Arab” party and no “Jewish” party in Israel. There should only be parties that represent all Israelis in a secular and democratic Israeli state of and for all of its citizens, immigrants, expats and refugees, equally.

      • jw500 on March 14, 2020, 2:01 pm

        Jewish parties accept Zionism, but I agree if there were a Jewish party that rejected Zionism it should be banned as well. Israel is a secular and democratic nation, but the fact remains that would be eliminated if Arab Muslims came to dominate. There are no secular democratic Arab states. Why would you assume an Arab Palestine would be the exception?

      • eljay on March 14, 2020, 2:44 pm

        || jw500: Jewish parties accept Zionism … ||

        That’s part of the problem right there.

        || … but I agree if there were a Jewish party that rejected Zionism it should be banned as well. … ||

        Your Jewish / “Jewish State” supremacism is also part of the problem.

        || … Israel is a secular and democratic nation … ||

        Israel was established as, defines itself as and operates as a religion-supremacist “Jewish State”.

        || … the fact remains that would be eliminated if Arab Muslims came to dominate. … ||

        Your “fact” is an assumption based on a hypothetical.
        The only actual fact is that, right now, Israel is a colonialist, (war) criminal and religion-supremacist state.

      • Misterioso on March 14, 2020, 3:50 pm

        @jw500

        “Israel is a secular and democratic nation,…”

        Nonsense!!

        To wit:
        Reality regarding Palestinian Arab citizens of “Israel,” i.e. west of the green line: “Israel” is and always has been governed under an apartheid system:

        Hendrik Verwoerd, then prime minister of South Africa and the architect of South Africa’s apartheid policies, 1961: “Israel, like South Africa, is an apartheid state.” (Rand Daily Mail, November 23, 1961)

        Jacobus Johannes Fouché, South African Minister of Defence during the apartheid era, compared the two states and said that Israel also practiced apartheid. (Gideon Shimoni (1980). Jews and Zionism: The South African Experience 1910-1967. Cape Town: Oxford UP. pp. 310–336. ISBN 0195701798.

        “Former Foreign Ministry director-general invokes South Africa comparisons. ‘Joint Israel-West Bank’ reality is an apartheid state”

        EXCERPT: “Similarities between the ‘original apartheid’ as it was practiced in South Africa and the situation in ISRAEL [my emphasis] and the West Bank today ‘scream to the heavens,’ added [Alon] Liel, who was Israel’s ambassador in Pretoria from 1992 to 1994. There can be little doubt that the suffering of Palestinians is not less intense than that of blacks during apartheid-era South Africa, he asserted.” (Times of Israel, February 21, 2013)

        Video: Israeli TV Host Implores Israelis: Wake Up and Smell the Apartheid
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyyUvxHLYr4

        In its 2015 Country Report on Human Rights Practices for Israel and the occupied Palestinian territories, issued in 2016,the U.S. Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights and Labor acknowledges the “institutional and societal discrimination against Arab citizens of Israel.” (U.S. Department of State, Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights and Labor)

        “Construction, Not Destruction”
        “While Israeli Arabs constitute 20 percent of the population, Arab communities’ jurisdictions occupy just 2.5 percent of the state’s land area, and the process of approving new construction in Arab towns takes decades.” (Haaretz Editorial, April 4, 2017)

        One example of apartheid within Israel:
        “Jewish town won’t let Arab build home on his own land ”
        Excerpt: “Aadel Suad first came to the planning and construction committee of the Misgav Local Council in 1997. Suad, an educator, was seeking a construction permit to build a home on a plot of land he owns in the community of Mitzpeh Kamon. The reply he got, from a senior official on the committee, was a memorable one. ‘Don’t waste your time,’ he reportedly told Suad. ‘We’ll keep you waiting for 30 years.’” (Haaretz, 14 December 2009)

        Adi Ophir, professor of philosophy, Tel Aviv University: “…the adoption of the political forms of an ethnocentric and racist nation-state in general, are turning Israel into the most dangerous place in the world for the humanity and morality of the Jewish community, for the continuity of Jewish cultures and perhaps for Jewish existence itself.” (1998 issue of “Theory and Criticism,” published in Israel)

        Ilan Pappe, then professor of political science at Haifa University: “[Israel’s] political system [is] exclusionary, a pro forma democracy – going through the motions of democratic rule but essentially being akin to apartheid or Herenvolk (‘master race’) democracy.” (“Jerusalem Report,” Feb. 14/2000)

        Ronnie Kasrils, a key player in the struggle against the former South African apartheid regime, minister for intelligence and a devout Jew: “The Palestinian minority in Israel has for decades been denied basic equality in health, education, housing and land possession, solely because it is not Jewish. The fact that this minority is allowed to vote hardly redresses the rampant injustice in all other basic human rights. They are excluded from the very definition of the ‘Jewish state’, and have virtually no influence on the laws, or political, social and economic policies. Hence, their similarity to the black South Africans [under apartheid].” (The Guardian, 25 May 2005)

        Shlomo Gazit, retired IDF Major General: “[Israel’s] legal system that enforces the law in a discriminatory way on the basis of national identity, is actually maintaining an apartheid regime.” (Haaretz, July 19, 2011)

        The effect of Israel’s blatantly racist “Citizenship Law” and more than fifty other restrictions Arab citizens have to endure is well expressed by writer and Knesset member, Ahmed Tibi, “…dutifully defining the state [of Israel] as ‘Jewish and democratic,’ ignores the fact that in practice ‘democratic’ refers to Jews, and the Arabs are nothing more than citizens without citizenship.” (Ma’ariv, 1.6.2005)

    • wondering jew on March 14, 2020, 2:41 pm

      jw500- There should be Arab parties in Israel, because it is a natural development of the political will of the “Arab” population that was given citizenship in 1949 or so and freed from martial law in 1966. That this population would be nonZionist is to be expected and natural. For you to oppose such parties hints that you oppose free speech, free thought, free assembly and representational government.

      • jw500 on March 14, 2020, 5:54 pm

        Yes, Germany bans Nazis. Guess that means Germany oppose free speech, free thought, etc.

      • Mooser on March 16, 2020, 2:49 pm

        I was waiting for “jw’s” answer to “jw500”, but “yonah” must be busy combing the sand out of his beard.

        “As ‘blatant racism’ unravels Netanyahu’s opposition, liberal Zionists put their heads in the sand”

        The Zionist superheroes at Mondo should have a league of their own. The Interplanetary League of Validators.

      • wondering jew on March 16, 2020, 8:58 pm

        jw- You are proposing a law that goes against the spirit of Jabotinsky and Begin, who extolled democracy. Your analogy to Nazism is simplistic and simple minded. I hope you’re satisfied by your logic. I am not.

      • Mooser on March 17, 2020, 1:21 pm

        “the spirit of Jabotinsky and Begin, who extolled democracy.”“jw”

        You betcha! By golly wow. If there was anything Jabotinsky and begin extolled, it was democracy.

        Try taking the sand out of your eyes, “yonah”.

    • Misterioso on March 14, 2020, 4:08 pm

      @jw500

      In my previous response regarding the presence of Jews and Arabs in Canaan/Palestine, I meant to include the following:

      Archaeological evidence found at ancient sites such as Jericho, founded by the Natufians, indicates that communities well advanced in agriculture as well as arts and crafts were thriving in Palestine as far back as 7000 BCE. These first settlers were joined by migrants from the Arabian Peninsula around 3500 BCE. (John Quigley, Palestine and Israel: A Challenge to Justice, Duke University Press, Durham and London, 1990, p. 68) Hebrews did not invade until circa 1184 BCE. In short, Arabs were living and thriving between the River and the Sea over two thousand years before the Hebrews arrived.

      • jw500 on March 14, 2020, 5:55 pm

        I totally agree the Canaanite culture was there first, but those were not Arabs. The Arabs are a completely different people and are mentioned only rarely in the Bible because there were not many of them. The Canaanites are mentioned frequently because there were many of those. So, again stop this nonsense. Arabs are not Canaanites. They never even claimed to be until recent years…for political reasons.

      • Misterioso on March 14, 2020, 7:42 pm

        @jw500

        Bottom line: Hebrews did not invade until circa 1184 BCE. In short, as I previously stated, Arabs (i.e., immigrants from the ARABIAN Peninsula) were living and thriving between the River and the Sea along with previous immigrants over two thousand years before the Hebrews arrived.

      • Mooser on March 14, 2020, 8:00 pm

        “I totally agree the Canaanite culture was there first, but those were not Arabs.” “jw500”

        Hey, “jw”, I wanted to ask you something. I am sure Mondo gets literally hundreds of pro-Zionist comments each day. But there’s room for only a few.
        What standards do you suppose Mondo uses when they decide which pro-Zionist messages to print? I would think it must be the best of the best, wouldn’t you?

        You don’t think they would select pro-Zionist comments which validate and confirm the thrust of the articles, do you? That would be unfair.

  4. bcg on March 14, 2020, 2:54 pm

    @jw500: ” There are no secular democratic Arab states. Why would you assume an Arab Palestine would be the exception?”

    As Mondoweiss and other news sources point out (ad nauseum), Israel is quasi-democratic and quasi-secular. As far as treatment of minority citizens goes, and as far as Israel’s adherence to commonly held human rights standards, it’s pretty bad. Every third article here is about some outrageous human rights violation committed by Israel’s government, have you noticed?

    Here’s an informative article from the Intercept titled “The Truth About Islam and Democracy”:

    https://theintercept.com/2019/02/14/the-truth-about-islam-and-democracy-with-anwar-ibrahim/

    (spoiler alert: ” Now, I have a lot of problems with this rather lazy and simplistic narrative, which completely and conveniently overlooks the role played by Western governments in propping up Muslim dictators like the President of Egypt or the King of Saudi Arabia, but here’s my biggest one: it’s factually inaccurate. Right now, in 2019, hundreds of millions of Muslims, possibly the majority of the world’s 1.7 billion Muslims, live in democracies of some shape or form, live in countries where they have the right to vote, the right to choose and to change their own governments — from Indonesia to Malaysia to Pakistan to Lebanon to Tunisia to Turkey, not to mention the tens of millions of Muslims who live in Western countries, in Germany, France, the UK, Canada, the United States. The mayor of London, last time I checked, was a Muslim. And in fact, the country which is on course to have the biggest Muslim population in the world in the next couple of decades is India; which also happens to be the world’s biggest democracy.”)

    • jw500 on March 14, 2020, 5:53 pm

      Muslims can function in a Western Democracy until there are too many of them. Then the system breaks down. Western Europe is just figuring that out. Pakistan and Turkey are much less democratic than Israel; not even close. No one wants to move to Pakistan or Turkey. Pakistanis come to the UK or USA and the Turks are taking over Germany. What does that tell you about living in a Muslim nation.

      India is taking drastic steps to curtail Muslims, I wonder why? Maybe they know better than some guy posting on Mondoweiss.

      By the way, Turkey and Pakistan are terrible countries for Jews and Christians. yet many Muslims live in Israel and it’s great for them. How do I know? Because they don’t want to leave. And if you told them they can move to a State of Palestine they will look at your like you are crazy.

      • Mooser on March 15, 2020, 1:03 pm

        “Muslims can function in a Western Democracy until there are too many of them. Then the system breaks down.” “jw500”

        Of course, nobody could say the same about us Jews. Or ever has!

        As the old saying goes: ‘Az s vi di matza krambalz; in ak halb-beykt kraker’

  5. Ossinev on March 14, 2020, 3:24 pm

    @jw500
    ” Jews are indigenous to Israel longer than Arabs are”

    “Indigenous peoples, also known in some regions as First peoples, First Nations, Aboriginal peoples or Native peoples, or autochthonous peoples, are ethnic groups who are the original or earliest known inhabitants of an area, in contrast to groups that have settled, occupied or colonized the area more recently. Wikipedia”

    Zionists are masters (or victims depending on your viewpoint) of overwhelming self delusion specifically when challenged about their colonising, blatant land theft ethnic cleansing,ethnic massacres and ongoing daily brutality and inhumanity.

    As has been pointed out repeatedly since the dawn of Mondoweiss Judaism is a religion not a “race”.

    Are Catholics also indigenuous to Palestine ( your ephemeral Israel)? They too were by your logic “indigenous” 600 years before Arabs arrived.

  6. jw500 on March 14, 2020, 5:47 pm

    Judaism is a religion but Jews and Judaism are two different things. Jews are the nation that formed a kingdom around Jerusalem eventually and then continued to exist as a distinct people for centuries thereafter to the modern era. Judaism is a religion. Catholics are not a people or nation. There was a Judah or Judea; there was never a Cathol from which the Catholics came. The Jews did not always follow God, the Bible is replete with stories of such Jews. There are atheist Jews. If Jewish was just a religion, how could there be an atheist Jew? There is no atheist Christian.

    Jews are the indigenous people. Canaanites did come first but they disappeared over 2000 years ago, their identity and culture assimilated into the Jewish and other peoples’ cultures. Palestinians of today are generic Arabs, most of who moved into Palestine in the last 125 years. Just like most modern Jews moved into Palestine/Israel in the last 125 years. Modern Palestinians have absolutely no connection to ancient Canaanites while modern Jews still practice a version of the same religion, speak a version of the same language, and consider their ancient Jews like Moses and Joshua to be the founders of Israel. Modern Palestinians look back to the Arab conquest of the 7th century.

    I don’t deny Arabs claim Palestine by right of military conquest but the fact remains Jews can claim it by the exact same right if that is what it comes down to.

    So whether you want to base your argument on “indigenous people” or “might makes right” either way Israel wins and the rival Islamic narrative loses.

    Now deal with it. If Palestinian Arabs want to embrace their Jewish heritage (yes, I acknowledge some Palestinian Arabs are descendants of Palestinian Jews who were Arabized), that’s great. But they don’t have to. If they don’t, at least don’t be a threat to the Jews or there is no choice but to run you off.

    That’s the choice the Palestinian Arabs have. Like it or not. And there’s nothing anyone on Mondoweiss can do about it.

    • eljay on March 14, 2020, 6:22 pm

      || jw500: Judaism is a religion but Jews and Judaism are two different things. Jews are the nation that formed a kingdom … ||

      Jews are the people who chose and who choose to embrace the religion- based identity of Jewish. No Judaism, no Jews.

      There has never in history been a kingdom called “Jews”. Whatever kingdom(s) existed over 2000 years ago is (are) as long gone as the Canaanites (and the annihilated Amalekites).

      The indigenous people of geographic Palestine are the predominantly non-Jewish people who have been living in or are up to n-generations removed from the region.

      There is no moral or ethical justification for a religion-supremacist “Jewish State” – or any other form of supremacist state – to exist in geographic Palestine or, for that matter, anywhere else in the world.

      Only a supremacist would argue otherwise.

      • jw500 on March 14, 2020, 7:02 pm

        It was called Judah or later Judea and Jews are the people of Judea. Everyone understands that Jews came from the Holy Land and more specifically the area around Jerusalem. The Jews are still here buddy, the Canaanites. The non-Jewish people did kick a lot of Jews out but now they are back so what you going to do about it? It’s either a Jewish state or a Muslim state, face it. Hamas is right. So fight it out and see who is left standing.

        I love people like eljay who sit here and lecture the Israelis. Many nations are “supremacist” states as you define it. All Arab states are supremacist states. You live in fantasy land. The test is how they treat their loyal minorities and Israel passes that test with flying colors. You have a double-standard, one impossible standard for Jews and the normal standard for everyone else in the world.

      • eljay on March 14, 2020, 8:05 pm

        || jw500: It was called Judah or later Judea and Jews are the people of Judea. … ||

        If Jewish has ever had anything to do with the geographic region once known as Judea then every person who has ever been born in or lived in that region would be Jewish. But you know that’s not the case because the identity of Jewish is religion-based.

        || … I love people like eljay … ||

        No you don’t.

        || … Many nations are “supremacist” states as you define it. … ||

        Zionism 101: Whataboutism.

        I agree that many nations are supremacist states as I define it. The difference between us is that I argue that no state should be a supremacist state while you argue that Israel must be a supremacist state.

        || … You have a double-standard … ||

        Nope, I have a single standard for all: Justice, accountability and equality, everywhere and always.

        You, on the other hand, clearly have a double-standard: You very likely believe that Jews shouldn’t be the victims of supremacism (a sentiment I entirely agree with), but you’re more than happy to advocate and defend the “right” of Jews to be supremacists, to have a supremacist state and to do “necessary evil” unto others.

      • eljay on March 15, 2020, 9:31 am

        || jw500: No eljay I don’t have a double standard. … ||

        So you’re saying you believe that non-Jews in countries all over the world have a right to discriminate against Jews, just as Jews in Israel discriminate against non-Jews. Wow.  :-(

        I tell ya, with friends like Zionists…

        || … But Jews should be entitled to be “supreme” (as you would put it) in at least one place in the world … ||

        Nope. There is no right or entitlement to supremacism. Only a supremacist would argue otherwise.

        (BTW, I like how you’ve dropped all pretense of being thoughtful or reasonable and are now doing nothing more than arguing in favour of your preferred brand of evil. Keep up the good work, jw500!  :-) )

    • Misterioso on March 14, 2020, 7:54 pm

      @jw500

      “Palestinians of today are generic Arabs, most of who moved into Palestine in the last 125 years.”

      More nonsense pushed by Joan Peters in her mountain of mendacity, “From Time Immemorial”

      Reality:
      Enthusiastically endorsed when first published by leading Zionists including Bernard Lewis, Saul Bellow, Elie Wiesel, Martin Peretz (editor of The New Republic), Barbara Tuchman, future Brandeis President Judah Reinharz, and Daniel Pipes who reported that Peters’ “historical detective work has produced startling results which should materially influence the future course of the debate about the Palestinian problem” (Commentary, July, 1984), Peters’ book soon became known as “From Lies Immemorial” following analysis by Middle East scholars, including Professor Yehoshua Porath of Hebrew University and Dr. Norman Finkelstein of New York University (Image and Reality of the Israel-Palestine Conflict, Verso, London and New York, 1995, p. 21, 1995.)

      Professor Porath, Israel’s leading demographic historian, called Peters’ book a “forgery… [that] was almost universally dismissed [in Israel] as sheer rubbish except maybe as a propaganda weapon.”(New York Times, Nov.28, 1985)

      Rabbi Arthur Herzberg, vice-president of the WJC, agreed: “I think that she’s cooked the statistics…. The scholarship is phony and tendentious. I do not believe that she has read the Arabic sources that she quotes.”(ibid)

      To again quote Professor Porath: “The precise demographic history of modern Palestine cannot be summed up briefly, but its main features are clear enough and they are very different from the fanciful description Ms. Peters gives…. [S]he has apparently searched through documents for any statement to the effect that Arabs entered Palestine. But even if we put together all the cases she cites, one cannot escape the conclusion that most of the growth of the Palestinian Arab community resulted from a process of natural increase.” (“Mrs. Peters’ Palestine” New York Review of Books, 16 January 1986.)

      For the record, the total Arab immigration into Palestine between 1922 (when the League of Nations British Class A Mandate began) and 1945 amounted to only 40,500 people. (Edward Hagopian and A.B. Zahlan, “Palestine’s Arab Population: the Demography of the Palestinians,” Journal of Palestine Studies, III, 4, Summer, 1974, p. 43)

      Peters misrepresented the scholarly findings of demographers A.M. Carr-Saunders and Professor Kemal Karpat who declared her conclusions to be wrong and that she also incorrectly asserts that the Ottoman district boundaries were the same as British Mandate district boundaries which she relies upon for analysis of population growth.

      She also misrepresents official mandate documents, e.g., the 1933 Hope Simpson Report, the 1933 and 1935 Annual Report to the League of Nations, the 1938 Palestine Partition Commission Report, the 1945-6 Anglo-American Survey of Palestine. She even distorts the writings of Samuel Clemens, i.e., Mark Twain!!

      You accept the “scholarship” of Ms. Peters despite the fact she has no academic qualifications whatsoever. Indeed, “From Time Immemorial…” was her first and last book – if she in fact wrote it. Her previous writing experience was as the woman’s page writer for the Chicago Daily News.

      It is also revealing that Peters has not responded to Dr. Norman Finkelstein’s critique or challenged him to a debate. Then again, Peters has all but disappeared other than teaming up with loony American Evangelists, visiting the “Holy Land” and spewing forth even more hasbara/lies.

      Check out Dr. Bill Farrell’s detailed review in the Fall 1984 issue of the Journal of Palestine Studies: “Joan Peters and the Perversion of History” – “After investigating Peters’ claims, this just becomes another badly written book with a premeditated bias. It will convince no scholars, or change the historiography of the Middle East. In the future, it will only be remembered by those who already believed its fraudulent assertions before its publication, who desired pulp instead of fact.”

      I also recommend the chapter “Whose Country is It?” in the eminent Middle East Correspondent Charles Glass’s “Money for Old Rope.”

      You should also read “Conspiracy of Praise” by the late Edward W. Said – “The one thing I still cannot grasp is how people can be so foolish as to believe ‘From Time Immemorial’ the contention that the Palestinians are something made up or imaginary, like the unicorn or the tooth fairy.”

      William B. Quandt’s excellent article in the June 1996 edition of Foreign Affairs should also be read: He describes Peters’ conclusions as based on “shoddy scholarship” and praises Finkelstein’s “landmark essay on the subject.”

      I have before me a photocopy of an article by journalist Anthony Lewis entitled “There Were No Indians” published in the 13 January 1986 issue of the NYT. He sums it all up nicely: “Israelis have not gushed over the book as some Americans have. Perhaps that is because they know the reality of the Palestinians’ existence…”

      In short, Peters ignored the population figures for Palestine carefully calculated by expert demographers during the 19th century as well as censuses taken by British officials during the British mandate. Her thesis is also riddled with contradictions, easily detected misrepresentations of documented history and invalid data plagiarized from a long since discredited source. Many scholars are convinced Ms. Peters did not write the book herself, but served as a front for others whose motives are obvious.

    • zaid on March 15, 2020, 8:47 pm

      jw500

      your claims fails to pass the genetic and scientific evidence.

      Modern Jews are not descendant of ancient Jews who themselves were not indigenous to the land. On the other hand modern Palestinians are indigenous to Palestine .

      Archaeologists , Geneticists and historian agree on the above.

      https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-5498065,00.html

      http://icarusfilms.com/if-exl

      https://vridar.org/2014/04/30/the-myth-of-judean-exile-70-ce/

      • Nathan on March 16, 2020, 4:59 pm

        zaid – Do you speak Arabic? If so, maybe you are familiar with the slogan “Khaibar, ya yahud, jeish Muhammad saya’ud”. You hear it all the time in the Palestinian demonstrations. It’s a threat that the fate of the Jews today will be the same as the Jews in Khaibar during the time of the prophet Muhammad. Also in the Hamas Charter of 1988 you learn that today’s Jews are the exact same Jews as mentioned in the Quran and the Hadith, and their fate will be as predicted in the Islamic text (in the final battle, stones will reveal the hiding places of the Jews to the Moslems). In other words, in the realm of propaganda meant for the west, modern Jews are not the descendants of the Jews from antiquity. However, in Arabic and in the eyes of the masses, it is self-evident that the Jews of today are the descendants of the Jews mentioned in the Quran.

        It is an interesting topic of intellectual discussion if the Jewish narrative is true or false. However, in the realm of political science, it is really quite irrelevant if today’s Jews are the descendants of the ancient Jews (or not). In political science, we deal with questions of statehood and citizenship. And in this context we should be able to agree that the State of Israel is a state, and the Israelis are citizens of that state. Even if the most recent research proves that the Israelis are actually of Martian descent, it doesn’t really change anything: The State of Israel remains a state, and the Israelis remain the citizens thereof.

      • eljay on March 16, 2020, 5:45 pm

        || … It is an interesting topic of intellectual discussion if the Jewish narrative is true or false. … ||

        Dunno about the Jewish narrative but the Zionist narrative…
        – that the religion-based identity of Jewish grants to those who choose to embrace it the “right” to be supremacists, to have as large as possible a supremacist state and to do “necessary evil” unto others; and
        – that geographic Palestine is the ancient / eternal / historic / ancestral / lost / one true homeland of every person in the world – every citizen of every homeland throughout the world – who has chosen to be Jewish,
        …is pure fabrication.

        || … we should be able to agree that the State of Israel is a state, and the Israelis are citizens of that state. … ||

        I agree with you that Israel is a state and that Israelis are its citizens.

        We should also be able to agree that the problem with Israel isn’t that it’s a state and that Israelis are its citizens but, rather, that Israel:
        – is not the secular and democratic state of and for all of its Israeli citizen, immigrants, expats and refugees, equally; but
        – is instead a religion-supremacist “Jewish State” primarily of and for Jewish Israelis and non-Israeli Jews.

        And, of course, we should be able to agree that it’s a deliberately and unapologetically colonialist and (war) criminal state.

        But because you’re a Zionist I suspect you won’t agree with me.

      • RoHa on March 17, 2020, 9:54 am

        Nathan, I don’t know whether modern Jews are direct descendants of the ancient Palestinian Jews or not, but I agree with you that it is irrelevant. Even if they are, it in no way justifies or excuses the evil of Zionism.

  7. jw500 on March 15, 2020, 1:27 am

    I’m not impressed by the demographic argument in the slightest. First of all, no doubt there were Arabs (not Palestinians) in Palestine in 1850. But I stand by my statement that your average Palestinian resident today cannot trace any family connection back further than 1850-1950. And being a resident of Palestine meant nothing since there was no nation of Palestine or distinct culture. You were viewed as Syrians, later Jordanians or just generic Arabs.

    But the more important reason is that demographics can be changed BY FORCE. The primary reason there are more Arabs than Jews in Palestine in 1850 or whatever year in that time frame you to pick is that the Jews were driven out BY FORCE and were never permitted to return in mass numbers until the late 19th century and 20th century.

    Using your logic, if Israel drove out all Arabs, in 250 years, we could say the Jews have been the demographic majority for 250 years so therefore Israel belongs to the Jews. See how that works?

    The Arabs want to complain about demographic changes imposed by Jews and ignore the demographic changes they inflicted on the region. That’s called hypocrisy.

    Your long discussion of Joan Peters, who I never cited as a source or even referenced, is completely irrelevant. You can’t prove the concept of a distinctive Palestinian identity existed before the 20th century because it did not. You can’t prove that Muslim Arabs did not invade and conquer Palestine and Arabize and Islamize the population because they did. Now you complain about Jews Judaizing the land but your complaint should fall on deaf ears.

    If the Native Americans could muster the force to reclaim part of America, they would have every right in my mind to try to do it, just like the Jews had the right to reclaim their homeland.

    As an American I have no intention of giving up my land to the Native Americans and I understand the Arabs don’t want to give up land to the Jews. But in both cases, this is simply an expression of preferences and not morality or justice.

    • Mooser on March 15, 2020, 1:45 pm

      “As an American I have no intention of giving up my land to the Native Americans” “jw500”

      Too late, “jw500”. If you are American, you already have! See George Washington’s Letter to the Touro Synagogue.
      This letter, once you see through the flowery language, relegated Jews in America to the status of any white male citizen.
      Even the African-American slaves, and the Native Americans were afforded the right to be a ‘seperate peoples’, but our hopes for any national representation or independence in America were crushed.

    • eljay on March 15, 2020, 3:10 pm

      || jw500: … morality or justice. ||

      When it comes to I-P, you Zionists hypocritically are unable or – more likely – unwilling to comprehend that neither of those two words has anything to do with your hateful and immoral belief that the religion-based identity of Jewish grants to those who choose to embrace it the “right” to be supremacists, to have as large as possible a supremacist state and to do “necessary evil” unto others.

    • RoHa on March 16, 2020, 3:39 am

      “And being a resident of Palestine meant nothing since there was no nation of Palestine or distinct culture. You were viewed as Syrians, later Jordanians or just generic Arabs.”

      I don’t understand why this deprives the Arab residents of their rights.

  8. jw500 on March 15, 2020, 1:32 am

    No eljay I don’t have a double standard. Most Arab Muslim nations are supremacist and Jews are not welcome there. I don’t insist Jews have claims to that land. If the Arabs don’t want to benefit from having loyal Jewish citizens, their loss. But Jews should be entitled to be “supreme” (as you would put it) in at least one place in the world, if no other reason that self-preservation. I very much support ethno-nationalist states and do not believe in some pie in the sky utopian globalism.

    All that utopian globalism did nothing to stop mass murder of Jews from 1939-1945 while Jewish control of Palestine starting in 1920 for example could have saved millions of Jews.

    • Mooser on March 15, 2020, 1:21 pm

      “But Jews should be entitled to be “supreme” (as you would put it) in at least one place in the world, if no other reason that self-preservation.”

      Right! Endogamy is self preservation, the only way to preserve and concentrate our genetic heritage.
      And if we lose our genetic heritage, what are we?

  9. jw500 on March 15, 2020, 1:38 am

    Hey Mooser, I don’t know Mondoweiss has any standards for choosing comments to publish. I assume if you don’t use a prohibited word or its not spam, they will publish it. But I do make strong pro-Zionist arguments, you are correct. Obviously, most followers of this website are dedicated to the Muslim arguments and oppose Jewish claims to Israel so you guys don’t want to hear the truth. I get it.

    • eljay on March 15, 2020, 9:26 am

      || jw500: … But I do make strong pro-Zionist arguments … ||

      Pro-supremacism arguments are worthless regardless of how strong you make them.

      || … most followers of this website are dedicated to the Muslim arguments and oppose Jewish claims to Israel so you guys don’t want to hear the truth. I get it. ||

      You’re a Zionist so, no, you (deliberately?) don’t get it. Neither “Muslim arguments” (whatever those are) nor fanciful “Jewish claims” matter with respect to I-P. All that matters is what matters everywhere else in the world: Justice, accountability and equality…three things you Zionists hypocritically don’t want to hear because they interfere with your self-proclaimed “right” to be supremacists, to have a supremacist state and to do “necessary evil” unto others.

    • Mooser on March 15, 2020, 1:11 pm

      ” But I do make strong pro-Zionist arguments, you are correct.”

      Yes, like mighty hammer-blows! Not to mention, your way of arguing, which is sure to win you friends, even if (G-d forbid)) you lose the argument.
      But let’s not be too modest, “jw500”, what you are giving out with are not just “strong pro-Zionist arguments”, they are strong pro-Jewish arguments, which is even more important!

    • Mooser on March 15, 2020, 1:32 pm

      “I don’t know Mondoweiss has any standards for choosing comments to publish” “jw500”

      Yes, Mondo does, it is called the Comments Policy (linked) And you are flagrantly disregarding it.

      I don’t know, “jw500”, I am becoming suspicious. I’ll put it right out there: Does Mondo pay you to write these comments?
      It’s all too smooth and made-to-order. Mondo heads an article:

      “As ‘blatant racism’ unravels Netanyahu’s opposition, liberal Zionists put their heads in the sand.”

      And then, within just a few minutes, you show up to validate every word of the headline. Very suspicious.

  10. Ossinev on March 16, 2020, 2:09 pm

    @jw500
    “All that utopian globalism did nothing to stop mass murder of Jews from 1939-1945 while Jewish control of Palestine starting in 1920 for example could have saved millions of Jews”

    Or control of Madagascar or Patagonia but if the Zios really wanted to make a really big desert bloom instead of stealing Palestine perhaps they could have opted to steal all of the Sahara? They would still have had to import hundreds of thousands of Jews who are descendants of converts to Judaism. Ah well any Zio in a demographic storm.

    • Mooser on March 18, 2020, 11:22 am

      The Ziobots sound like every Balkan ‘country’ after WW1 at Versailles.

      Most of which pretty much argued themselves out of existence, as it happened.

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