The Washington Independent runs a story by James Risen of the New York Times that makes a half-hearted effort to rehabilitate Douglas Feith. Feith says the piece was killed by the Times.The Washington Independent calls the story “The Return of the Neocons.” What if no one wants them back?
Feith sounds bitter:
Yet it is Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and Feith who were left holding the bag for the failures in Iraq, while pretty much everyone else seems to have skated from the judgment of history, Feith seethes.
Later the piece devolves into a debate over whether Feith was promoting Chalabi or not. A lot of neocons, for instance Kenneth Timmerman, still love Chalabi. Feith denies he was Chalabi’s exponent. (While in House testimony in ‘05, Feith’s mentor Richard Perle said we were “sucked in” to Iraq by double agents of Saddam. Chalabi?)
Who cares about Chalabi? Anyone knew this was a bad idea. Risen won’t go near the real sore here, the Israel-dual-loyalty suggestion, the denunciation of Feith as a Likudnik, by Colin Powell’s former chief of staff, and Feith’s evasion of his own Zionism in his book.
The commenters at the Washington Independent are not so shy. Betz55 is murderous:
Rummy, Feith, Wolfowitz, and all the other neocon warmongers should have their medical insurance taken away, then their houses foreclosed, then their pensions removed. After their wives divorce them, they should be taken to the Green Zone, made to put on a t shirt and jeans and forced to walk out of the Green Zone into the streets of Baghdad where they will have to survive,on their own mind you, for a year, without aid from any military body. If they makes it through that year, upon their return, before they loses what jobs they had – they will be told “funding” dried up, they should be made to testify about their experiences and grilled about the falsehoods, lies, and pathologically screwed up excuses they gave the American people about the war in Iraq from their prison cells.
DallasDem sounds like me:
When, oh when, will liberal Jews (Pro-Israeli’s) like me and mainstream America wake up to the rule of neo-conservative, pro-Likkud, right wing, Israeli control of our government? These people are NOT Americans, but pro-Israeli right wing, fundamentalist monsters, like the fundamentalist Muslims and Christians. . When will liberal, progressive American and Israeli Jews, and all Americans from every race, color and creed, be free? These people are NOT Americans nor do they care about America. They live for Israel. If they were any other ethnic group, they would be suspect. Until we have stopped our fear of being called anti-Semitic, (the true ethnic group of Palestine and its indigenous peoples), and speak out against the neo-cons of the Christian and Jewish and Muslim and Christian Right wing, we will NEVER be a free nation. No other country on Earth has such control over our Government.
Related posts:
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- How Did Doug Feith Become a Ridiculous Figure?
- MSM Should Take Feith Off Blacklist–and Expose the Zealotry He Does His Utmost to Conceal for 674 Pages
- Semper Feith
- Feith Ducks the Anti-Semitism Question on ‘60 Minutes’
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You haven't proven to me that in their roles (not exagerations of their roles) the individuals acted in a way that gave Israel's interests preeiminance over a plausible conception of America's, (that being the central thesis of the neo-con argument to turn the mideast into an open commercial zone).
And how is that goal different than the old-con?
You and others have repeated name-calling, inference, and suspicion. Is that "proof"?
Is it a description of "cause" or "will" or speculation? Is it cause or correlation?
And how do you distinguish the specific criticisms of specific individuals, even specific strategies, even specific ideologies, with the idiotic generalization that is engaged in here routinely of accusations "dual loyalty" applied to any that have sympathy with Israel?
And, how do you distinguish what IS the US interest?
Why is your bar so low on this Phil?
Witty, you have made it clear that you are a die-hard Israel-Firster. Please make you journey to heaven (Israel). The rest of us will be better off, by far. Correlation, cause/effect…. You wish a pure scenario of such–except when it comes to Israel's regime's policy implementations and your suppport of same. Everything you've said applies to you and your expressed thoughts. The slowly aggretating facts are all against you. Has your son enlisted in the IDF yet? Why don't you? Quit sucking on the American tit.
Forgive the typos. I am angry.
Also, Witty, how do you distinguish what IS the US interest?
Why is your bar so low on this?
"Witty, you have made it clear that you are a die-hard Israel-Firster. "
Who knows what you mean by that phrase? It is an illusion on your part, Charles.
Why not address the content Charles? Rather than get angry?
One of the original motives that drove the neo-conservatives was opposition to the new left and the counter culture. That hatred was shared by old cons and new cons. (Pat Buchanon for example HATED the counter-culture, same as Norman Podhoretz.)
The time that Phil and I hung out together, we were definitively exploring counter-culture themes.
The counter-culture included two distinct groups, that the anti-counter-culture didn't bother to distinguish.
They were the politicos – the new left largely, anti Vietnam War, extending into new Marxist formulations and its odd exagerations.
Then there were the culturalists. Hippies, drugs, sex, rock-n-roll, communal living, spirituality.
Overlap with the politicos (anti war, explorations of new economic relationships), but also overlap with the conventional (spirituality, ethics).
The neo-conservative movement. Its only a VERY recent popular fixation to regard the movement as a whole with Israel. Certainly there were prominent Jewish participants, converts to conservatism from pugnacious radicals to pugnacious conservatives.
And, they even discussed and published among themselves about ranges of issues that concerned them, and some even became in-laws (as old communists were a largely in-bred community over generations).
To exagerate that selection from multiple concerns into conspiracy of cabal, is an error.
It stifles thought to do so, in the name of opposing censorship (a hoot).
Its helpful in the world that new combinations of concerns get articulated. Thats how the world changes. That the neo-conservatives were one experiment of that is a good.
The conclusions that they came to as far as Iraq was concerned were not good. Good that they talked and explored. Avoidable errors in their math.
Errors that are content of arguments, that can and could have been analyzed and rejected, if people bothered with the content, rather than the horse race, the image, and conforming to those around them.
Shorter Richard:
Limit the damage.
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In-your-face treason. From Huffington Post:
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House Resolution 362, sponsored by Rep. Gary Ackerman, a New York [Jewish] Democrat, is moving quickly through the House. The resolution urges the Bush administration to prohibit the export to Iran of refined petroleum products, impose "stringent inspection requirements on all persons, vehicles, ships, planes, trains, and cargo entering or departing Iran," and to prohibit all Iranian officials not involved in negotiating the suspension of Iran's nuclear program from travel outside the country.
Imposing "stringent inspection requirements" would amount to a naval blockade, many believe, and thus constitute an act of war.
Why are 96 House Democrats (along with 111 House Republicans) co-sponsoring this resolution? Aren't these the Democrats who rode into majorities in both houses on public revulsion against war in the Middle East?
According to a recent story on CBS News, the answer seems to be a "full-court press" by the government of Israel and the American-Israeli lobby AIPAC. CBS ran the story Tuesday as Joint Chiefs Chairman Admiral Mike Mullen was on his way to the Middle East to confer with Israeli government officials.
http://tinyurl.com/6qlm2f
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Oh, this is rich. Play it again, Sam:
"The resolution urges the Bush administration to prohibit the export to Iran of refined petroleum products."
ah ha ha ha
AH HA HA HA
The United 'Achilles Heel' States, which imports nigh on 70% of its energy, is going to implement a reverse embargo on Iran. No more Exxon/Mobil hi-test for you, ya turban-headed, ayatollah-worshipping freaks! No more 'tiger in your tank' to truck your satanic nuclear fuel out of Natanz, ye Persian perverts!
AH HA HA HA
[makes rude masturbatory gestures]
Ackerman … you're one great Israeli, dude.
Richard Witty-
If one is critical of Israel, one is denounced as anti-semetic.
If one is critical of AIPAC and its never ending quest to pilfer the pockets of american taxpayers in behalf of Israel, one is denounced as an anti-semetic extremist.
If one is critical of the ongoing genocidal Israeli policy twords the Palestinains, one is denounced as an anti-semetic extremist with ties to terrorism.
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