One of my new themes is that many Americans hate Israel; it is a kind of groundswell. I don't say this is good energy, it has a sometimes reactionary component. But it must be dealt with politically. Here are two fresh pieces of evidence.
1, A couple of people have sent me lately to this site called US media and Israel, run by David Morris, who evidently lives in Maine. You will see it features a grotesque (but substantially accurate) cartoon of the U.S. media as a waiter, serving up the American people as a sucking pig to Ariel Sharon, who is kicking around the little Palestinians under his table. Morris made the cartoon in 2003 and tried then to publish it in the New York Times as an ad on the Op-Ed page, in a place where pro-Israel ads often appear, but he says the publisher himself rejected it in the end, and it appeared in USA Today. A year later management was changed at USA Today, Morris states, as if there is any causation there, which is unpersuasive. The intriguing thing about the cartoon is that Morris published it online just a month or so back. I'm sure he did so because of his rage at Gaza. Last week at the New York Theatre Workshop, emcee Laura Flanders presumed to wonder whether there was rage in Caryl Churchill's play, 7 Jewish Children. This struck me as polite mystification. The play is filled with rage! Rage is a legitimate response to the slaughter of civilians. The issue again is, what to do with it. Morris's cartoon is in an American tradition and, because of the pig, I guess has an anti-Semitic vibe as well. But it is a real sign of populist rage against our foolish Middle East policy, reflected too by Philip Giraldi saying, Stop arming war criminals!
2, That was a run-on example. My second example is really anecdotal. At the Caryl Churchill play a week ago, a woman from Revolution Books, I believe Connie Julian, stood up and made the statement that Israel was the worst thing to happen to the Jewish people since the Holocaust. Well the other night I was at a gathering in New York at which a pro-Israel guy repeated the expression, with some concern. He had heard it, I think at a lecture about Israel's delegitimization. So this frightening slogan is in the air. Again, democratic political processes should deal with these sentiments. Leaders (and yes I mean the president elected by a progressive base) should reflect the legitimate aspect of these views: rage against the use of white phosphorus missiles on children.
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It is a frightening phenomenon.
Even with valid criticisms of Israeli policy where they did have choices of approach (nearly always), the tone is often punitive rather than dissenting. Certainly making LITTLE effort to persuade.
Many on the left share a delusion/fantasy that the driver of Israeli opinion is religious, and that the attempt to persuade is therefore irrelevant. (That presumes that the provocative individuals have any intention of persuasion, rather than brow-beating.)
And, sadly, many on the left ignore that opposing Israel are large numbers of individuals, states, movements, that genuinely are out to destroy it as Israel, and therefore out to destroy the feature of safety from bigotry and suppression that continues in the part of the world where 8 million Jews reside.
It would be WONDERFUL if the left consistently took a principled stand against terror as means. With a principled stand against all terror, then they could and would assert with credibility of the contrasts between civil rights and absence of civil rights.
The Islamic, pan-Arab and Palestinian nationalist world that the left is in solidarity with on this, is not all that admirable in the aspect of respect for minority rights. (It is in many other ways.)
(Ironically, many that call themselves anarchists engage in coercive means of "dissent", that utterly conflicts with the principles of anarchism, which are peer to peer self-determination applying grassroots cooperation to fulfill human needs and affirm political participation.)
My critique rests on the absence of theme and approach of what people are for. What people are angry about is yelled, sometimes clearly, most often not.
What do you propose? What is your goal?
Phil,
In quoting Revolution Books, do you mean to suggest that the RCP has a relevant proposal to add to this discussion?
I worked in a fancy French restaurant in Portland, OR (I was the dishwasher) with staff that included primarily RCP and SWP members. They were wonderful individuals, great friends, but the walls covered with Maoist murals was a bit much.
Their personalities were SO MUCH different than their politics.
Robust criticism/hyperbole should not be confused with hate. Only the Israelis can delegitimize Israel…with their actions.
Israel is clearly not the worst thing to happen to Jews since the Holocaust. The following are some of the worst things: DP camps, murders of returning Jews to their homes in Poland and Eastern Europe, the de-Jewification of most of Russia's Jews under the fascist USSR, the attacks on Jews in most Arab states, the increasing levels of anti-Semitism and attacks on Jews in present-day Europe, an increasing number of Jews losing touch with and abandoning their culture and civilization, ethnic cleansing of the Jews by assimilation and disintegration into majoritarian societies, the BBC, and this new phenomenon of "liberal" anti-Semitism disguised as anti-Zionist critique.
And Phil, you are a part of it – you are not merely "critiquing" Israel's policies – you are (and most of your supporters are) promulgating a rejectionist view of Israel that is used as a populist tool to express anti-Jewish sentiments. The goal seems to be to whip the Israelis into non-existence – so, ultimately, it polarizes people into 2 camps – those that care about Israel maintaining its status as an independent State and those that line up with Hamas and tactics of suicide bombing and racism and a Sharia-based society that has no place for Jews or Christians or "moderate" Muslims.
Racism?!? Keep pressing those buzz words Harry. When were fundamentalist Muslims ever racists? You just delegitimize your argument.
Since when does the government act in the best interests of the citizens, or even address our concerns honestly? There is far more anger over immigration than there is over support for Israel. The response from above is the same, and people who oppose the status quo are calle hate-filled or racists. Obama has been in talks with Hispanic groups who seek amnesty for illegals, and the claims are that Obama will try to push through some sort deal. My guess is that anti-Zionists and progressives can expect similar treatment if it serves Obama's needs.
I'm on the side of the Palestinians, but when it comes to brass and tacks, I would rather Israelis wake up to neighbors butchering goats in the backyard, or face corruption, ethnic strife or organized crime and violence.
The problem with Israel is not that it uses white phosphors, but that it is a Racist state. I hate Israel, because Israel is a racist state. It is not my fault that I hate Israel, It is Israel's fault. Let's stop treating the racist state and its shameless supporters with kid's glove. Israel is a racist state and those who support Israel are either racist themselves, or sooner or later will be (i have seen my pro Israel friends go down that road many times). If you justify the war in Gaza, you;re racist, even if you don't know. Yes, Israel is the worse thing that happened to Jews since the Holocaust, I have said that before the women from the revolution books say it. This is not a radical opinion, this is a realistic estimate.
But for Palestinians, from the Palestinian view, Israel is the worse thing that ever happened EVER. Israel IS the cause of Palestinian Holocaust.
The whole 'haters' stereotype is racist and artificial, deriving largely from Hollywood actors who are paid to portray "reel bad Arabs' on the big screen. It also reflects the pop freudian substitute for political analysis which I frequently debink here, according to which 'the Jews' are outstanding rationalists confronted by hordes of people with psychoses.
no one arab can hate like Israel does. Israel hates with bombs. with guns. with torture in its jails. effective physical hate. No arab hater can be more hateful than Israel itself.
A friend of mine who reads this site occasionally e mailed me a cartoon this morning that he did himself. Actually pretty good for a amateur.
It shows a sleeping lion up on the ledge of a cliff. The lion is labeled Anti Semitism. There are what look like little ground hogs or mice with the Star of David on them poking the sleeping lion with sticks, one standing on the lion's head with a tiny mallet, some chewing on it's tail and sticking lit matches in the lions paw. In the second frame the lion wakes up and let's out a mighty roar, the mice panic, and run in a herd to plunge over the cliff.
Pretty apt decription.
You know what would be great? It would be great if instead of talking to the deranged American Zionist supporters who have mixed their own identity up with Israel's (an order of stupidity comnparable to thinking your blow-up doll is faking orgasm), we could hear from actual Israelis!:
http://antonyloewenstein.com/blog/2009/03/31/an-unhelpful-discourse-on-israel/
… an increasing number of Jews losing touch with and abandoning their culture and civilization, ethnic cleansing of the Jews by assimilation and disintegration into majoritarian societies …
Who exactly is "ethnically cleansing Jews by assimilation and disintegration into majoritarian societies"?
Ethnic cleansing: the attempt to create ethnically homogeneous geographic areas through the deportation or forcible displacement of persons belonging to particular ethnic groups. Ethnic cleansing sometimes involves the removal of all physical vestiges of the targeted group through the destruction of monuments, cemeteries, and houses of worship.
Harry Fenton? Your response to Mohammad? Would you like to tell him how the State of Israel is to his advantage? Why he should accept its existence. I though he was pretty direct and honest. You got a reply?
Would you like to tell him why Israel should be allowed to punish his people?
Your turn, Harry. Please favor us with an answer.
@ Mooser | April 01, 2009 at 12:28 PM
… an order of stupidity comnparable to thinking your blow-up doll is faking orgasm …
A hit! A palpable hit!
Witty speaks to his boyhood pal, Phil's article, the (at least initial ) subject of this thread's comments:
"Even with valid criticisms of Israeli policy where they did have choices of approach (nearly always), the tone is often punitive rather than dissenting. Certainly making LITTLE effort to persuade."
One way of looking at Phil's article and Witty's response is that both are proud Jews. Phil implies (especially for those who have read Phil for a long time): "Not In My Name." This reasonably leads to the concept of being chosen, or doesn't it? The special duty handed down from the superior being. As the story goes, God gave all a moral duty, God just gave the Jews as a collective more duties–this dissipates as a question of morality somewhat when you actually
read the 613 duties. But, nevertheless, the traditional view of being chosen as meaning being chosen in the sense of chosen to shoulder a heavier burden of earthly morality, seems to me
Phil is more a Jew in this sense than Richard Witty. Richard talks a good abstract game, but
Phil lives it, writes it–considering the reality of the power configuration behind the events subject on this blog, Witty is more in tune than Phil with the second sense of being chosen, that is, as superior beings entitled to use all the force they can muster–even against those who had nothing to do with the Shoah.
Phil says, "If I am not for me, who will be for me?"
Witty says, "If I am not for my people, who am I?"
This is an internal Jewish debate.
They are both self-admittedly part of the collective: Jews, and so both constantly ID the self.
If you view yourself as a Jew, you are one. With all that entails.
They dispute where to draw the line.
I'm not sure it would matter much to goyim who frequent this blog, except the Jews are not
the Gypsies. They have had, and now have lots of power. (Lots of reasons for that)
It's not a matter of what to do with Gypsy pick pockets in the local square devoted to tourism.
(Lots of reasons why the Gypsies have remained on the fringes of all societies)
Americans, for example, have a real stake in these two versions of being chosen–as does most
of the balance of the world.
Repairing the world.
How much does one well-intentioned Jew have to argue for breaking it down first, how much
for gluing it together?
Two Jews have a difference of opinion. They each accuse the other of being less-sensitive. Or, rather in our case here, Witty does more directly. Phil just persists in displaying his individual angst over
the individual versus the Tribe.
Saul became St. Paul. Witty prefers Saul. Phil prefers Jesus–just another fellow Jew.
The course of history was changed, no?
And it's still being changed, no?
What's Pontius Pilate to do? Obama?
Whatever. What is certain is the goyim lives will be affected.
And when you really look at it throughout history, just as much as Jews.
Iran is now on the table.
The Pals are being treated as animals.
By both Uncle Sam (indirectly) and Uncle Moshe (directly).
Should they just turn the other cheek?
Should all Americans?
Should all Jews?
You goyim, who would you want in the foxhole next to you?
People should hate Israel as it hated the Nazis.
Both States institutionalize racism and bigotry. Both are chauvinistic and highly militarized States.
Both have a MAINSTREAM history that was later revealed to be mythology (although in Germany's case the Third Reich ended quite faster).
Etc. etc.
'chosen people' returning to 'their homeland'
'a land without a people for a people without a land'
'terrorists are terrorizing, terroristic, terrorists'
etc. etc.
None of this bullshit was ever going to last. Our country has it's problems but we have passed through so many trials and tribulations revolving around racism and discrimination that we understand that evil when we see it. we have liberal values and believe in justice – despite how impotent we may be in seeing it realized.
and that's the final thing – Israel only survives due to the same rich elites that get us into wars and economic disaster
all of it is related conceptually at the least and it's pissing people off
good. Zionism was a scam from inception. and Jews guilt-tripping the world for decades has only made people even more diligent in stopping them from wiping Palestine off the map
scumbags like Witty LOVE jew hatred because it gives them a sense of valid self-righteousness that they cannot find in their support for Israel.
So in most situations witty and people like him will rely on rhetoric and Establishment propaganda,
ie 'shelling civilians of Southern Israel' 'ethnically cleansing the settlers back into Israel'
'Gaza residents failed to achieve a viable blah blah in Gaza'
… an increasing number of Jews losing touch with and abandoning their culture and civilization, ethnic cleansing of the Jews by assimilation and disintegration into majoritarian societies …
yeah, I agree, Colin: this so-called Fenton person is either so stupid he doesn't know the difference between peaceful assimilation and genocide, or he is just a bullshitter; or both I suppose.
The word “hate” has become a political tool thrown at opponents by the left to imply complete irrationalism and even blind racism as motive for opposition. So let's see, do Americans have plenty of good reasons to *despise* Israel? Of course, there’s an encyclopedia of reasons going back through Jonathan Pollard and the USS Liberty, and the cultivation of a Jewish Zionist fifth column (JZFC) in America since Israel’s inception, but let’s just stick to recent history:
1) America never would have been attacked on 9/11 if not for the JZFC’s relentless lobbying and infiltration on behalf of unconditional aid and support of Israel, and UN vetoes to protect it from accountability. In addition to 3,000 lives, that attack has cost the American people hundreds of billions in economic damage.
2) America never would have gone into the Iraq war if not for the JZFC’s operative work on behalf of deceiving the American people into the belief that Iraq was tied to the 9/11 attacks and posed “another” threat. The Iraq war has cost nearly $1 trillion, and produced tens of thousands of American casualties.
3) The Iraq war and its costs were a major draw on the economy and government resources, and contributed to the engineering of the housing and credit bubble, which led to our current recession/depression. It also contributed to a culture of corruption in government that will haunt us for generations, and to the elevation of the Democrats into power, who were complicit in all of the above, and ironically enough, have provided the primary operating base for the JZFC for decades.
So, yes, Americans have plenty of good reasons to despise Israel. But they have even more reasons to despise the JZFC, which is basically an arm of the Israeli government operating in America, and even more reasons than that to despise the corrupt two-party regime, which allowed all of this to go on right under its nose, and actually enthusiastically participated in the betrayal of Americans.
Remember, none of Israel's abuses would be possible without the JZFC and its two-party collaborators paving the way for Jewish Zionists in Israel. Nearly everything Israel does can be laid at the feet of that domestic American conspiracy. And Israel will never change until that domestic American conspiracy is deconstructed and brought to justice.
All the energy spent railing against Israel's crimes would be better utilized attacking the root of the problem in America.
@ Fenton
"Israel is clearly not the worst thing to happen to Jews since the Holocaust."
Just the worst thing that has happened to goy Americans.
But that's not your concern.
Harry Fenton's goal seems to be to divide us into two camps, to whip the critic's of Israeli policy into non-existence – so, ultimately, he polarizes people into 2 camps – those that care about Israel maintaining its status as an independent racist/tribal State and those that line up against this POV, having learned the lessons of Nuremberg, which do not exclude
criticism of Hamas and tactics of suicide bombing and racism and a Sharia-based society that has no place for Jews or Christians or "moderate" Muslims.
Fenton is just taking a play from Witty's Hasbara Handbook.
Let's ask Witty, what his definition of ethnic cleansing is.
Since he described Israel removing the settlers, the settlers who are illegally colonizing Palestine and have no right to be there, the settlers who are paid to settle Palestine by their government, the settlers who would be removed not because of their ethnicity but because they are COLONISTS. Doesn't matter whether they were Jewish or Irish. They are colonizing another peoples' home.
Witty actually knows this but he HAS to sensationalize the conflict and inject his subtle hasbara to even the playing field. that's the in-built hypocrisy of Zionism and it's in-built corruption.
he's worse than run of the mill retards like Fenton
Mmmm, seems like Ed, Citizen, Alan Freedman, and Rowan agree. Many more too on this blog I've noticed. And on the other side of no-man's land are Fenton, Berel, Suzanne, Thom et al….
Phil and his crew (Phil's Phools) & Chris and his crew (Chris's Stools), locked in trench warfare.
WW3 coming up? The third phase?
Great Depression, new Great Depression, 2nd phase?
New Deal, Newer new Deal?
Ah, but now too we have globalism and its contents and discontents on a more interlocked scale…
A point of view that I think is shared by a good percentage of Jews around the world. He or she errs though when comparing the Canadian minister Kenney to Hitler. Balfour would be more correct.
As for the rage, I think we won't go far if we do not connect the fundamentalist zionists' actions in Palestine with the very destructive impact that those actions have on our very lives, goyim or not. It is our feeling of helplessness that feeds the rage for as much as the Palestinians, we, too, are being victimized. Until we see that, our grasp of the problem will remain askew and we will fail miserably in whatever we are trying to achieve.
Gene, the article you reference has a Canadian Jew crying out, if you tell me Israel is my homeland, you are telling me I don't really belong in Canada!
My guess is Witty would say there's no problem since everybody has multiple loyalties. Of course Witty never considers Sophie's Choice, so to speak. In his mind Sophie can just ship one of her kid's off to safety while simultaneously protecting her chosen child under her dress. You all know Witty, he's an armchair guy, he's not in the streets–rather protected by his goy cops behind his
gated chosen community.
The confusion perhaps is between loyalties and affinities. Of course, one can have affinities with more than one group (or tribe if you will) living on the face of the earth. But when comes the time for choices to be made, that's when the question of loyalty kicks in, doesn't it?
"if you tell me Israel is my homeland, you are telling me I don't really belong in Canada!"
This is the intentional subconscious message sent out to all Jews by Jewish Zionists and their gentile Zionist collaborators. This message encourages that 1) a diaspora Jew can never really feel at "home" away from Israel, and 2) that Israel, not your diaspora location, should be your primary loyalty, because after all, the diaspora nation that blindly supports Israel itself believes you don't belong in the diaspora, and is basically financing and enabling the Jewish Zionists to run operations designed to bring you "home."
I have a hard time believing that the mostly liberal gentile elites running governments that participate in all of this are anti-semites, though. They are mostly just misguided, politically correct idiots too intellectually lazy and socially conditioned to properly think things through. On the other hand, the Jewish Zionists and gentile Zionists in American government and institutions have thought all this through, and rather than naïve, they are cynical, calculating and malicious — just like their co-conspirators in Israel.
"When were fundamentalist Muslims ever racists?"
Let's see – "Jews are the brothers of apes and pigs", for starters, makes a regular appearance on Palestinian children's programming.
The whole concept of "dhimmi", the banning of Jews from Saudi Arabia, the bombings and slaughter at Jewish religious centers in Buenos Aires and Mumbai, etc. and etc.
Here are a few interesting reports – you determine whether they are racist:
"Writing in the Saudi edition of the daily Al-Hayat, Islamic researcher 'Abd Al-Rahman Al-Khatib describes the Jews as religious fanatics, and claims that their ideology – which is reflected in The Protocols of the Elders of Zion – stems from the Torah and the Talmud, and is currently being implemented in Gaza. Al-Khatib also cites traditional Muslim sources that promise the Muslims victory over the Jews."
"Zahi Hawwas, head of the Egyptian Antiquities Council, wrote in Al-Sharq Al-Awsat that the "Jews of Palestine" are murderous by nature: "The concept of killing women, children and elderly people… seems to run in the blood of the Jews of Palestine. [In fact,] it seems to have become part of the false faith of this people, who is tormenting us in our [own] homeland."
"Similar remarks are made in an article by columnist 'Ali Balout in the Kuwaiti daily Al-Jarida. He states that, in attacking Gaza, Israel was implementing directives appearing in the Talmud, and that the ultimate aim of the Jewish people is to take over the world:
"The big question is: why be so cruel and kill innocent civilians, especially children? Was it a mistake, or was it an accidental consequence of the fighting? [The answer is] neither. [Their conduct was the reflection of] an ancient ideology [that is part of] Jewish history and comes from the book that they call the Talmud… One of the psalms in the Talmud says: 'As for their children, one must focus on killing them and on dashing them against the walls. Pulverize their skulls until no trace is left of them.'
"The violence in Gaza, which focuses on children, may be anchored in the Talmud… [Its] objective is to realize a religious prophecy, which takes the form of a directive. [This directive is obeyed by] Jews who espouse the principles set out in the Talmud and strive to implement them.
"As far as [the Jews] are concerned, the occupation of Palestine is [only] the first step in a long journey [whose ultimate goal] is to take over the entire world and use its resources, according to the right granted to them by the Talmudic authority… Some might say that this [belief] is pure nonsense, and indeed it is. However, Israel is controlled today by the followers of the Talmud, who wish to realize this fairytale, no matter how long it takes, and who base their behavior upon it, out of a deep conviction in the correctness of their beliefs…
"Israel's talk about peace is a temporary [tactic] that is not to be trusted, because the Talmud instructs the Jews to lie, deceive and use every method that is immoral by the lights of both the ancient world and the modern one. All this, in order to achieve their goals… The Talmud also instructs them to corrupt the morals of mankind by every possible means in order to make it easier for the Chosen People to control the world… If we look closely, we find the Jews' fingerprints in all the evils that plague mankind: drugs, prostitution, wars… [They are also the ones who] corrupted the monotheistic religions and beliefs by sowing hatred and division between the [different faiths]…" [7]
In a poem he published in the Saudi daily Al-Jazirah, Saudi poet Sa'd Al-Bawardi portrays Hitler as merciful compared to the Jews, who are described as "apes" and "wild pigs." [8]
"You were merciful, oh Hitler.
"[That is my conclusion] when I see around me
"The cruel acts
"Of the descendants of apes.
"You were wise, oh Hitler
"To rid the world
"Of some of these wild pigs.
"[But] they have spawned a gang
"[Whose heart] is filled with blind hatred…
"Oh Hitler,
"The descendents of apes -
"None are more cruel and horrifying than they are…
"Their wars of destruction
"Are worse than the 'Holocaust.'
"Destruction of the world is their motto,
"And they are implementing it in practice
"In Gaza, in the Golan and in Lebanon.
"The descendents of apes are the cruelest creatures
"That mankind has ever known…" [9]"
Egyptian Chief Mufti Dr. 'Ali Gum'a described the attack on Gaza as the blackest episode in the history of mankind, and as "a new holocaust, worse than the Nazi massacre of the Jews that was condemned by all of humanity." [14]
Egyptian Cleric Muhammad Hussein Ya'qoub: The Jews are the Enemies of Muslims Regardless of the Occupation of Palestine; 'Believe That We Will Fight, Defeat, and Annihilate Them, Until Not a Single Jew Remains on the Face of the Earth'
So, these are just a few examples of racism. If you love the culture that produces this brand of racism so much – go live there. Good luck with that.
And, no, the creation of Israel was not the worst thing to happen to the Jews since the Holocaust. The back-stabbing of the Jewish community by those having little or no remaining connection is the worst thing – for Jews to call Israelis "Nazis", and to fan the fires of Palestinian-Firsters who believe that Zionism equals Nazism, thereby fanning anti-Semitism and attacks on Jews in France and Britain and Yemen, is the worst thing. If you want to call Israelis "Nazis", then back up your libel and slander with proof of millions killed in round-ups and extermination camps and the Israeli Prime Minister calling Arabs nasty names like "apes and pigs" and calling for the extermination of Palestinians like Ahmadinijad calls for the extermination of the Israelis.
Whatever would you do without MEMRI, 'Fenton'?
Phil–they still use the word "nigger" up in Maine as openly as a bunch of Alabama crackers.
Your two examples are not convincing me of a national trend. More like a narcissist's observation that raisins in his oatmeal this morning means everyone else has raisins in their oatmeal too. Ridiculous.
Call back with your revelation when they start syndicating Morris's cartoon in every big newspaper. :-)
Rowan – You have a better translation? I note that you're not denying the quotes, just asserting that it's in bad taste to rebut a statement made by loonies on this site that fundamentalist Muslims are **never** racists with examples of how **some** of them can be.
Maybe the BBC and the Guardian should be translating these racist broadcasts and – many of them from the national papers and stations of record of the government of various Islamic states.
Fenton,
Certain Jewish Zionists always go on and on about how the Arabs won’t accept “the Jews”; others about how the Christians won’t accept them; others about how the Muslims won’t accept them; others about how the liberals won’t accept them.
But it’s not “the Jews” that the world won’t accept, but rather the Jewish Zionists, who drag “the Jews” down with them. And why won’t the world accept the Zionists? For the same reason the world wouldn’t accept the Nazis and Communists: Because they are fanatics; because they are dogmatic; because they are totalitarian; because the suffer from delusions of grandeur and fantasies of hegemony; because they demand blind acceptance or death.
Clue yourself in, Fenton. When you’re in an ideology that has that many issues with that many people, it’s not the world that has the problem, but the Judeofascist ideologues formulating and preaching it. You’re banging your own heads against the wall, and attempting to drag all Jews down with you when you inevitably start crumbling to the ground.
Mind that log in your own eye first, then maybe you can point out issues you have with Islamists.
So what's your point Fenton? The Saudis and Egyptians say rude things about Jews, therefore it's OK to kick the Palestinians out of their homes?
Your missing one or two steps in your argument.
@ Fenton
And which of the "reports" do you consider anti-semitic – no actually truly racist (seeing how "anti-semitic" gets constantly applied to even those who merely quote Jewish texts)?
I count maybe two – the rest seem to be using Jewish texts and historical facts.
Also anybody here know about the Buenos Aries bombing – could be wrong here but seem to remember that was proven to be an Israeli false flag op. And as far as I can tell it has not been thoroughly confirmed who was ultimately behind Mumbai. Now , if I am wrong about these don't do that typical Zio thing and claim that my main question here is therefore without merit.
I really don't understand how Fenton can argue that assimilation is one of the worst things that has happen to Jews since the Holocaust. Does he really think Phil considers his on-going assimilation (and gentile wife) as something so horrifyingly monstrous that only the Holocaust surpasses it.
If Fenton is that horrified by assimilation then he must be also horrified by the people he would be assimilating with–in other words, gentiles. That may indeed be where he's coming from but if I felt that way it wouldn't be something I'd be so eager to advertise.
Does an American with a fundamental critique of the state of Israel, such as not supporting an ethnically-defined state or questioning the wisdom of the establishment of one, ipso facto 'hate Israel'? That is an honest question. Can't one calmly pose those questions with a willingness to listen to answers, or alternatively make emotionally laden assertions about them, in one case displaying equanimity, in the other perhaps hate if a particularly high level of vitriol is reached? But at the end of the day, aren't the same questions being raised? Are you sure you aren't conflating an expansive view of acceptable inquiry re Israel with hatred? If a large number of Americans do in fact hate israel, isn't it likely the case that an even larger number are unhatefully beginning to ask fundamental questions about the Israeli government's policies, their country's relationship to Israel, and perhaps even the Israeli state itself? Judging by your blog's overarching point of view, doesn't the decision to represent these developments in their most extreme manifestations clash with your usual mission, and continue the cycle of portraying all associated with one side of the dispute as fairly represented by their most radical partisans? Except in this case, rather than demonizing the nominal adversary, you are choosing to portray as hate-filled precisely the group of moderates whose opinions need to evolve in order for policy to change: the American electorate. Are you sure this is the direction you wish to travel?