It's taken me a while to unpack my trip to Gaza last month. Part of this is technical (I only just learned to upload videos to Youtube) but mostly it is emotional. I have a lot to sort out. Today in my notebooks from Gaza I find a scrawled message I left for myself while we were sitting in one meeting or another. "Annals of Tyranny." That is what we experienced in Gaza: we saw tyranny at every hand. Control over virtually every aspect of other people's lives--Arab people's lives.
We left Gaza with a tremendous responsibility to convey our understanding to the world. Today I'm going to try and execute part of my responsibility by posting videos of two students who have tried to leave Gaza on scholarships but have been prevented from doing so.
The videos aren't really edited, so I need to say something about them. The two students are both beautiful young people. Just watch their faces for a little while, you'll know what I'm saying. Summer Abu Zayed is the woman. She's 23, and dressed immaculately, in a white jacket. She reminded me of a student council president. She has a formal, outgoing quality, she's a graduate of Al-Aqsa University. She came to our hotel to talk to us about her youth organization. Then--23 seconds into the video--Tom Suarez, a member of our delegation, asks her about the scholarships she's gotten stopped from accepting. Summer begins by telling another student's story.
Go 4 and 5 minutes in, and Summer speaks of her own blocked fellowships in leadership.The thing I'd ask you to notice about Summer is how painful and mortifying it is for her to tell her story. At one point she starts to cry and collects herself. This is a young woman like the best young women in your family--your cousin or your niece, an upstanding girl who was made to head organizations-- and she is compelled to talk about her personal humiliations and the "cold" emails she's gotten from the outside world to the point where she's scared to even go to the border and experience the rejection. She's a fucking prisoner.
Summer told her friends we were visiting Gaza, and the next night a half dozen other students came to our hotel, Marna House. This reflects a simple truth: The people of Gaza are desperate that you hear their stories. I pulled aside the kid I could relate to most, an engineer/introvert type, Hazem M. Abukaresh. Another beautiful young person, as you'll see. His family moved back to Palestine from Yemen after Oslo, because they thought that things were opening up. He's 24, and all he wants is to get his Ph.D. in communications and computer engineering by the time he's 30. He is obviously highly intelligent. He has had opportunities/scholarships in China, Malaysia, Jordan and Europe. He has been stopped at the border or in Egypt or Israel four times.
"I have a lot of dreams. I want to be a productive person in my society," Hazem says.
The thing I want you to see in Hazem is a young person whose face is alive with shyness, humor and perception, but whose spirit is being destroyed. He doesn't fully understand it, but the process has begun. His gifts are before him and the road is blocked. You can see the rage come into his face now and then, the despair. His gifts are dying in the sun, his spirit is slowly being crushed. His story begins with his winning a Chinese scholarship, then it takes 3 months for him to get permission to travel, and when he gets to the border he learns the Chinese have cancelled the scholarship.
Watch these videos, or even a portion of them, hear the anguish in these children's voices, and you will understand why it is absolutely essential for American Jews to recall their cultural memory of the Warsaw Ghetto, and why it is essential for Americans to say, Let these people go.
This is one thing that often gets to me….I'm also fairly young at the same age. I turned 24 not even a fortnight ago. I want to find opportunities and take advantage of them, and I am doing that. However, it pains me when I see others the same as me – in age, in thinking, in desires – who are completely unable to do so. To force them to waste the present and simply wallow in a shallow cesspool of despair is absolutely sickening. It is simply about destroying their future and ensuring that the society they live in cannot build upwards.
Why should Israel allow hostile Arabs to go to Jerusalem to the US embassy? If Hamas wasn't a terrorist organization committing crimes against humanity and calling for genocide maybe it would have its own consulate. Egypt can do the very same thing, but from the sappy tone of this ill thought out propaganda you want us to believe that Israel is the only country not allowing them to wander on business that does not concern Israel. I mean should there be any consequence to having a genocidal terrorist organization in charge of Gaza? Why are you so willing to accommodate terrorists, Weiss? If they acted like civilized human beings instead of cheering in the streets when Americans are murdered they might have their own offices to do business with the outside world. But they don't which is precisely why they are suffering now. Don't try and pin it on Israel. Israel is under no obligation to assist a hostile entity. Would you have tried to make a case for allowing Hitler Youth to cross into France during WWII so they could get access to Allied embassies? It is so sad, but too bad if beautiful young people are suffering because of their own leadership, if they want to change that they should focus less on hating Jews and more on being responsible for their own actions. The concept is repulsive to me because it rewards bad behavior, just like sending aid to rebuild Gaza after the Arabs of Gaza waged war with Israel and lost. Did you hear anything about Gilad Shalit while you were licking the spittle off of Hamas boots during your trip?
Comments like that don't really help
When Israelis say they are committed to peace, this is the reason why I doubt them. How can you have peace when you're not allowing the Palestinians to build themselves a future? How can you have peace by destroying everything the Palestinians hold dear? Destroying the very chance of young Palestinians to express themselves peacefully?
The young woman and man interviewed are great kids. We could use more like them in the USA. Instead we get more and and more Springer kids and kids like those Americans revealed in the banned Blumenthal video taken in Jerusalem.
Why can't he fly to China from Cairo???
Why does he have to go through the land of the his enemy?
That's if he could get to Cairo in the first place
RE: "Watch these videos, or even a portion of them, hear the anguish…" MY COMMENT: Unfortunately, I just can't bear to watch them.
Amaing how the Palestinians refuse to deal peacefully, not even to allow their best and brightest to leave and never return. After all, what Arab wants to live in the Palestinian shit hole better known as Gaza?
A million tragedies.
Phil, Make a presentation, a film, something more substantive. Get your message out. Risk a new medium. Present to new audiences (new for you).
phil, you are telling a story no one in the MSM is willing to tell. were you to submit such a story, what are the chances that it would be rejected? the gatekeepers want to control the narrative wherein palestinians are seen as less than human. once the full story comes out, and its is in trickles (thank god for the internets), the judgment will be made as to who really lost their humanity.
It's worth a try anyway
lol….even when you're being racist, you still don't make sense
ismail, you idiot, they cannot leave due to Israel and the US, Egypt is the TOKEN Arab 'moderate' State. Yes, they share blame but they are puppets
Yawn.
Israel's rejection of Hamas results very largely from the hundreds of actions of terror that they perpetrated on Israeli civilians over two decades. It is NOT easily forgotten. It is a testament to the impracticality of terror as a means of dissent. It was a tragedy that the new left during Vietnam disrespected so, the experience of those in the old democratic party that came of age when Stalinism was exposed. Its similarly a great tragedy that the new left on the Palestinian issue so disrespects those that came of age politically in Israel during the period when Hamas was employing gruesome terror on civilians as a means to disrupt all peace discussion between the PLO and Israel and Europe/US.
"Israel's rejection of Hamas results very largely from the hundreds of actions of terror that they perpetrated on Israeli civilians over two decades. It is NOT easily forgotten. " Are you aware that the TOTAL number of Jews killed in the zionist undertaking in Palestine, from the 19th century to the present is LESS than the number of people killed by israel over a period of a few months during the siege of Lebanon in 1982 and that the vast majority of Jews killed in support of israel were soldiers while the overwhelming majority of those killed by israel in Lebanon were civilian? Your disgusting perspective has one source, Witty. Racism. Vile, repulsive racism, no matter how you attempt to dress it up.
Agreed
"It was a tragedy that the new left during Vietnam disrespected so, the experience of those in the old democratic party that came of age when Stalinism was exposed." Here we have Witty giving his belated blessing to America's massacre of 3-4 million people in Indochina. He's a real charmer.
How about a kidnapped Israeli soldier Shalit, who can't go home for three years? If Palestinians want free movement, they need to get rid of Hamas regime and stop arms smuggling. Until then they can blame only themselves. Palestinians voted for Hamas during their first and the only elections- they have to live with the consequences of their actions.
Until then they can blame only themselves. Palestinians voted for Hamas during their first and the only elections- they have to live with the consequences of their actions. Presumably, the same is true of the victims of 9/11, who paid the price for electing a religious fanatic and mass murderer from Texas.
What about the thousands of Palestinian Shalits? Hamas isn't a regime, it's a political party and one that is the party of government. Punishing the Palestinians for exercising their democratic rights….hmmm
Wow, Phil, your heart can sure bleed for the Palestinian people. Amazing you can post this while you compare the struggles of the Iranian people against a brutal, bloody regime to the history of punk rock. If this isn't hypocrisy, I don't know what is.
What? Phil has supported the Iranian people's protests from the beginning.
Unlike Shalit, Palestinians in Israeli prisons are not randomly kidnapped people – they are those who committed terrorist acts.
Yes, including the two teenage kids aged 12 and 14
>>Punishing the Palestinians for exercising their democratic rights….hmmm << Germans also exercised their democratic rights when they elected nazis. Evil acts are punishable even when they are done in a democratic manner.
I wish that were the case. But in fact he's been dying to prove that this whole thing is a color revolution. Because any regime the US hates must be good, and any regime we like must be good. This is true in many case, but it's a pretty dumb way to look at the world if you apply it as a general rule. Take Sweden (close US ally) and Jordan (US client state). Jordan's state is pretty damn horrendous, but I have to say, Sweden s pretty damn awesome compared to this country. And take France in the run-up to the Iraq war (US rival/enemy) and North Korea (US rival/enemy). France, by and large, was pretty much in the "good" camp and North Korea was and is a pretty noxious dictatorship. I guess this is all hard for some people to understand, when they start with the assumption that the US and the CIA are all powerful.
*any regime we like must be bad.
And this being a colour revolution is a bad thing? A colour revolution is a non-violent protest against an authoritarian regime – it is very much a good thing. Sweden is by far the best country in the world to live in – it's in the 'good camp' for whatever it does. North Korea definitely isn't. The reason why France is in the 'good camp' was because it made a clear stand against what was an immoral and illegal war. Philip isn't that 2 dimensional to think that all regimes opposed to the US are good and all US allies are bad – as a matter of fact, no-one here is.
Germans never elected Hitler to be their dictator. Nor did he even get a majority vote.
Shafiq, I agree with everything you are saying. The whole "colour revolution" charge is meant to suggest that there is some nefarious US puppet master (presumably George Soros) manipulating things behind the scene. I am all about nonviolent protest for civil rights — I support it in the US, Palestine, South Africa, Iran etc. If you look in the comments and in some of the postings over here in the past few weeks though, you definitely see some people, Phil included, who seem to have an agenda to prove that whatever is going on in Iran right now isn't as "authentic" as the intifada (or the anti-apartheid movement, or anti-slavery, presumably) just because the MSM and the US neo-cons seem to be in favor of it. That's what i have a problem with.
I know you're upset because WASPs have no power, but even an idiot like you knows that it is the Palestinian people who are keeping those two in the shit hole known as Gaza. When Hamas actually wants peace, not only will those two go, but the best of the Palestinians will leave and never come back.
Prove it.
I didn't say anything related to numbers. I said that those among the modern new left ignore the importance, the imprint, the near-permanent disqualification that hundreds of terror incidents directed at literally innocent civilians engenders. Phil is NAIVE in not educating himself as to the reality of that time. He should trace every day since 1993, to observe the pattern of prospective peace disrupted by opportunistic ruthless murderers. That Palestinians elected those murderers imprinted in Israelis minds (even the majority that were genuinely liberal in the Obama spirit), that without radical shifts to acceptance of Israelis as human beings, there was no chance of successful peace negotiation. I still retain hope. I've met so many Palestinians that have made that radical transition from adament nationalist fighter to loss of faith in that approach. I retain hope because some of them retain their zeal, but don't express it so hatefully. They actually do what perpetrators of violence imagine will happen by their violence, that they will somehow "break through" their own and others' consciousness.
Hamas is not a political party. Its a combination social service organization, political party, murderous militia. Sometimes the social service wing dominates. Sometimes the social service wing is the poster child. The political opportunist-bureau and the militia appeared to control (through the military confrontation at least), or else they never would have undertaken the stupidity of shelling Sderot, Ashkelon, Beersheva even before Israel undertook ANY military move towards Gaza following the end of the cease-fire.
"he whole "colour revolution" charge is meant to suggest that there is some nefarious US puppet master (presumably George Soros) manipulating things behind the scene. " By some. For most, it's a good thing. "If you look in the comments and in some of the postings over here in the past few weeks though, you definitely see some people, Phil included, who seem to have an agenda to prove that whatever is going on in Iran right now isn't as "authentic" as the intifada (or the anti-apartheid movement, or anti-slavery, presumably) just because the MSM and the US neo-cons seem to be in favor of it. That's what i have a problem with." I agree, there are some people with this view, namely Marion but not Phil. I've read all his posts over the past couple of weeks and none even hint at that. If anything, he's tried to make parallels between the two. He did allow Mohammed of Vancouver to post, who was mainly pro-Ahmedinejad but over the next two days, he allowed two separate rebuttals to Mohammed's argument to be posted. I ask you to read his posts on Iran again.
Poor Strahl, a Wasp with no power. Once Hamas opts for peace, those Palestinians, as well as the best and brightest, will be able to leave Gaza forever.
Israel has linked the opening of its border with Gaza to the release of Sgt. Gilad Schalit, held by Hamas militants for three years. Hamas has been pushing for a deal to trade him for hundreds of Palestinian prisoners in Israeli jails.
FINALLY someone deleted a racist comment. Can we nominate some of the civil regulars here to be moderators? I vote for Colin Murray. Or maybe Shafiq? Or even Witty if he can be HONEST (since it would be anonymous he wouldn't have to worry about losing credibility as an ardent Zionist, and focus on crude language).
Again, you still have no answer for the thousands of Palestinians abducted. They're not prisoners, especially the two kids Israel has. Plus, Israel has no authority to arrest them.
Arash, another ZioNitWit This is the TYPICAL Zionist argument: WHY DO U CARE ABOUT ISRAEL AND PALESTINE? YOU SHOULD CARE ABOUT _______(Insert country or cause the Zionist implies but does not really give a damn about)! Typical deflection.
Witty: "It was a tragedy that the new left during Vietnam disrespected so, the experience of those in the old democratic party that came of age when Stalinism was exposed." lovelyisraelis: “Here we have Witty giving his belated blessing to America's massacre of 3-4 million people in Indochina.” @ both: The only reason political Judaism broke with Stalinism was because Stalin turned against it to get the goy Russians to fight WWII, and they wouldn’t do it for a bunch of murderous Jewish Bolsheviks. The American mainstream Left promptly followed political Judaism towards warmongering anti-Communism, (which is different than Christian anti-Communism) and left-liberal LBJ started the Vietnam war. lovelyisraelis, the dead Vietnameses are yet more casualties that can be laid at the feet of the political Judaism/Statist-liberalism axis, along with so many dead Palestinians.
What a repressive regime. They can turn off water, electric, prevent food & medical supplies and now stop educational opportunities for Palestinians. Phil, this is appalling, I think Israel is finished. Or hopefully this is the end of the right-wing Likud rule. The human rights abuse is disgusting.
I will spread this story along. It is tough to watch because these are people I can relate to. Young adults who want to pursue their dreams and start careers. Things are not likely to get better. Israel is suffocating the Palestinians.
The terror of Hamas is a result of the terror of Israel. It, too, is not easily forgiven.
Why don't you trace every day since 1993, Witty, and tell me how many new "settlers" moved into the land reserved for the Palestinian state in that time — and how many new checkpoints and Jews-only roads were built in the Palestinian state during that time. And that why don't you stop being so NAIVE about how all of that might turn the Palestinian population against the leadership that negotiated the '93 deal in favor of a group like Hamas?
Don't know what teenagers you refer to, but Hamas widely used children and women to commit terrorist acts.
And the Israeli version's called the IDF
"very largely" So that's your cause and effect vision. After spending at least two years reading this blog, its comments, and presumably a lot of the source reference urls in said blog and in its comments. Some could reasonably use a larger time frame of the etiology. And toss in, say, for starters the power of the USA. The "new left" on the Palestinian issue, especially the Palestinan themselves I'm sure have the direct experience of their individual family histories–they need not gather in the history of Bolshevism or Stalinism from another remote land.
And they were collectively punished after the war for years, and ethnic Germans were transferred.
here is the adl trying to get control of the internet. sorry to be paranoid , but the shooting at the holocaust memorial was just so damned convenient. anyone else have these thought? http://www.adl.org/ADL_Opinions/Civil_Rights/2009...
It's true that Stalin couldn't get the commoners to fight with any zeal until he put a new nationalistic face on his regime and reintroduced the orthodox church. When he made those changes the red army changed in fighting spirit dramatically. Now the cannon fodder felt they were fighting for the homeland they held in their hearts.
Not willing to tell? Rather no reason to tell. the American public knows that the government of Gaza is holding back the best and brightest.
I wouldn't be too worried. When people refer to Abe Foxman [ADL], I can't take them seriously. Who references the ADL these days, except zionist talking points? – So that means all MSM. :) Foxman is an plump wo-man-cow who will eventually disappear given his lame personality. His head might just pop off one day with all the baloney he spews from his bowdlerizing mush-mouth.
foxman may be a joke but this bill passed overwhelmingly is not. this is exceedingly dangerous and we are all toast if it goes into law. http://www.rense.com/general86/adll.htm
It is STILL the experience of Zionists. It is a rational interpretation. Only those that justify ruthless cruelty as dissent can justify the terror of the 90's and early 2000's as "resistance". It will not be forgotten by repeitition. It will be escalated.
Rather than hopeful, when I encounter those that willingly exclude the experience of Jews, of Israelis, from their math of what I occurred, I grow hopeless. You don't solve problems by ignorning them. You solve them by becoming fully aware of them, and empathetic. You act as if you've never been in an argument, in which you were still angry but acknowledged that the other had a perspective, a valid experienced perspective.
Thats a bullshit interpretation of my comment. It was a critique of dissent, NOT an apology for war. You routinely and simplisitically confuse the two. Maybe its not confusion on your part. Maybe its intentional.
There are plenty of terrors to go around. Lots of Eastern Orthodox Catholics, peasants, kulaks, priests and other citizens of Russia and eastern Europe have not forgotten the Bolshevik terror either. And we all know who played a large part in that.
LI is certainly guilty of willful ignorance.
Arash, the MSM and the neocons have repeatedly demonstrated their willingness to lie if it suits their purposes. I also know the US has a history of provoking "incidents" in order to justify some political goal. I think Phil and many others here were simply very cautious about accepting anything at face value.
"That Palestinians elected those murderers imprinted in Israelis minds (even the majority that were genuinely liberal in the Obama spirit), that without radical shifts to acceptance of Israelis as human beings, there was no chance of successful peace negotiation." Let's put this into perspective, Richard. I'm not trying to deflect the issue here, but the fact that Israelis consistently elect Likud, which rose out of Irgun Z'Vai Leumi and to this day holds dear to the bedrock principles of Ze'ev Jabotinsky's racist, violent Revisionist Zionism, is cause for alarm and suspicion among Palestinians. Also recall the fact that Ariel Sharon was such a popular politician when the memory still lingers of his war crimes as commander of Unit 101, when he marched into Bureij refugee camp in Gaza and massacred more than 40 civilians with small arms fire and grenades thrown into their homes, and his complicity in shelling and then blocking off the Sabra and Shatila refugee camp in Beirut, allowing Hobeika's Phalangists to walk in and murder more than 3000 Palestinians. This story of electing "murderers" cannot be monopolized by the Israelis, Richard, and in any attempt to do so, taking the veil off of history reveals a much uglier face on the Zionists than on their Palestinian counterparts.
The cosmopolitan classes (and I'm not simply speaking of elite Jews–our whole US elite thinks this way) consistently underestimate the power of ties to land, tradition and the almost universal hatred for foreign interference. Even if a people has a wretched ruler, it *their* ruler and they will usually rally in defense if someone comes to "liberate" them.
Thanks for making these videos and writing on it, Phil. We hear stories just like those of Hazem and Summer all the time, but it adds a new layer of reality and humanity when we are able to see the pain and anger in these students' faces, hear the emotion in their voices, and witness the mannerisms which make them unique. I truly hope these individuals find a way to beat the odds and realize their dreams, because we all know Israel and Egypt aren't about to start making things any easier.
That woudl still require Israel to opt for peace, and as Tzipi Livni said, peace is not in Israel's strategic interests/
The American public knows what it is told by the media, which is why the American public is among the most ignrant societies in the world.
"Only those that justify ruthless cruelty as dissent can justify the terror of the 90's and early 2000's as "resistance"." How would you describe then the terros of 1947 and 49 by the Stern Gang and Irgun, who blew up the King David Hotel, murdered British Colideris (as well as aboobie trapping their bodies) and commiting massacres in Deir Yassin? How woudl you descrive the massacre at Qana due to the rocket attacks on the Palestinian refugee camp, or the Sabra and Shatille massacre that Sahron helped to orchestrate? Where they ruthless acts?
As it turns out, the IDF also use used children and women to commit terrorist acts, only in Israel they call it self defense.
The day before Gilad Schalit was catpured, Israel went into Gaza city and kidnapped 2 Palestinian brothers. They have not been seen of heard from since. Another exmaple of your nauseating hypocrisy ismail.
You are consistent in your bigotry, ismail, but I doubt you have a clue why you find gratification in denigrating others. Do you copy your comments from the walls of public bathrooms?
"I said that those among the modern new left ignore the importance, the imprint, the near-permanent disqualification that hundreds of terror incidents directed at literally innocent civilians engenders." Richard, people respond to what you say by detailing the circumstances in which the 'incidents' occur, which include and are notable for continuing acts of violence against Palestinian citizens. Those details make clear that Israel's own actions are provocative, indeed give the apperance of being intentionally provocative. Routinely, you ignore these details and discount the actions of Israel. It seems you do so because Israel is a state, and terroristic actions by a state are, for a reason I do not understand, acceptable to you, valid. In most cases, you dismiss the harm done. You condemn response in the same mode only because it is not action taken by a state. Dissent must be meek and mild. And ineffective. If effective, it is invalid. Your reasoning makes no sense to me. "You don't solve problems by ignorning them. You solve them by becoming fully aware of them, and empathetic. You act as if you've never been in an argument, in which you were still angry but acknowledged that the other had a perspective, a valid experienced perspective. RichardWitty describing his RichardWitty's behavior.
Come and call me a Zionist to my face, Strahl. I'll quote you, to your face, every great Palestinian resistance poet and I'll throw in some Edward Said to your face. I'm not saying Phil shouldn't care about Palestine — I'm just pissed that he has been so "skeptical" about the movement in Iran and has expressed so little sympathy for what is currently being done to innocent citizens and dissidents there. I come to Mondoweiss for the solid Palestine commentary — I've just been disappointed by the weak Iran commentary.
I'd suggest, like Shafiq did, that you read the older posts on Iran and definitely read the comment threads associated with those posts. The two Iran-related posts I found to be best were Mohammad's, and Ali Gharib's response (though coincidentally it wasn't because Gharib's post was a response that I found it to be the best — there were a few other "responses" to Mohammad's post, and several Iran-related postings altogether — I found these two to be the most interesting, thought provoking and best-written all around). If you're disappointed because there isn't enough war-drum beating, I don't know where to point you, since I don't scour for Neoconservative blogs. If you're disappointed because you're unhappy with the low level of liberal finger-wagging, maybe you should try Richard Silverstein's blog, for one. There are literally hundreds of those out there right now, but I think the bulk of the Iran commentary has subsided by now.
[mindless national jingoism] Actually, Norway beats Sweden (according to the UN) – Sweden has had too much of a love affair with neoliberalism lately… [/mindless national jingoism]
And people bleat about the evils of an academic boycott of Israel…
The Nazis were the largest party in the Reichstag after the 1932 elections.
The Palestinian prisoners are guaranteed their rights, while no one has heard or seen Shalit since he was kidnapped – the Palestinians refuse to let the Red Cross see him.
Every day I read something new about the way in which Israel is oppressing the Palestinians. And each time I wonder why the global Jewish community, and in particular the American Jewish community, has remained silent for over sixty years? To me, their silence on the apartheid state that is Israel can mean only thing: This is what it means to be a Jew. You either condone something or you oppose it – there is no fence to sit on, especially in this conflict. Is this what it means to be a Jew? Somehow, I don't believe it is. So get off your arse and raise your voice some.
"I didn't say anything related to numbers." So… why not? Why not trace back into 1993, and see how many Israeli civilians have since been killed, and how many Palestinian civilians? And why not trace who suffered more everyday misery? Of course, I already know the answer: Because Israel would look so much worse then. And of course I also already know the standard objection, which even if it were true – which it arguably is not – doesn't hold water in your average kindergarten: "But they started it!" "I've met so many Palestinians that have made that radical transition from adament nationalist fighter to loss of faith in that approach. I retain hope because some of them retain their zeal, but don't express it so hatefully." See, this is, in slightly modernized language, good old-fashioned colonialism. You don't want the Palestinians equal and free, you want them docile and content. Of course, we all know that the standard rhetoric "If the alestinians only were peaceful and docile, everything would be fine" really means "If the Palestinians only were peaceful and docile, we would continue letting them live as unfree helots, and feed them some scraps." No Israeli government has ever given any real indication that it intends to give the Palestinians anything – rights, freedoms, territory – because it would seem legally or morally required. For Israel, it has always been a materialistic, gain-oriented approach. If the Palestinians just forfeited their possibility of violent resistance, and if the Arab states just agreed to make peace with Israel without any conditions, all Israel would do is say "Hey, thanks for the freebies" and merrily continue settling the West Bank and ruling its Palestinian serfs. It's more than a little ironic that this kind of colonialist attitude mainly comes from the US and Israel – two nations which were literally founded on violent resistance against oppressive colonial rule by the British Empire (which was of course far less brutal a master than Israel, I might add.)
Witty's projecting again. How boring, Witty accusing a commenter of what he does constantly on this blog.
Bingo! Witty takes the kosher cake for being totally unaware of himself.
The jews only left being Stalin's groupies when he turned on them; otherwise they were perfectly content to ride the band wagon pulled by the goy masses. Similarly, the Italian Jews rode Mussolini's bandwagon until Hitler forced Mussolini to kick them off.
Correct. Hamas is an idea. Just like your belief, Witty. Comprende?
I thought blondes were all bimbos?
These are the lessons we should take from this: Never trust elites or the highly centralized Big Government “authority” they engineer, because it is corrupt, usurious and murderous; In form, Stalinism and its partnership with political Judaism is no different than the corrupt two-party regime/federal government apparatus and ITS partnership with political Judaism. The only difference is Stalinism eventually turned on political Judaism, whereas the two party regime hasn’t yet turned on political Judaism, and may never until the country completely collapses because the two are so deeply interwoven.
You are correct. As I said on an earlier thread, the bill has been sitting in the Senate but it is not dead. Harmon's thought police bill is a great danger; if passed it would take the last teeth out of the First Amendment, especially as to any dissent on US foreign policy towards Israel, a root cause of the turmoil in the Middle East, home of the most valuable commodity on earth for every nation: oil. Under the bill intelligent argument against Israeli policy as implemented would be interpreted by zionist lawyers as simple anti-semitism.
It's the ghetto jew syndrome, in goy language: "Don't air your dirty laundry in public." They won't speak up because, e.g., David Duke might agree with them. A jew always has to have luggage packed for the day the anti-semites come for him and his family while he's already on a jet to Israel; it happened in Germany, flower of Western Goy culture and civilization, so it can happen in USA. That's the jewish deep thought, such as it is. It moved them to change US Immigration laws, promote diversity and multiculturalism here–the concept is divide and conquer to maintain jewish "continuity" forever. It also moved the neocons to attack Iraq, and moves them now, along with the whore democrats, to attack Iran.
…a symptom of Israel's hegemony over discourse. We read about them brutalizing and massacring the Palestinians through every imaginable cruelty and barbarity, showering schools with phosphorus and bludgeoning old women to death, but if one dares suggest it is the ISRAELIS who deserve this fate, the comment is deleted and the status quo, promptly restored.
"I didn't say anything related to numbers. " Naturally, you didn't say anything about the numbers because if you had, the transparent INSANITY of your blather would be obvious. You can only post your rubbish through studious avoidance of the numbers, which reveal the grotesquely mismatched casualties, fatalities, suffering and criminality on the part of the israelis. Numbers are your worst enemy. Nevertheless, i present you with a few numbers at no additional charge. i suggest you acquaint yourself with them and relinquish your membership in the Jewish Nazi party. http://www.ifamericansknew.org/
No-one deserves that fate and wishing upon Israelis what the Palestinians have been through makes us no better than them. What was especially uncalled for was the Holocaust reference
"It was a tragedy that the new left during Vietnam disrespected so, the experience of those in the old democratic party that came of age when Stalinism was exposed. " Ok Witty. I'll grant you that the radical obtuseness of this absurd comment renders any interpretation speculative. If any meaning CAN be extracted, it's that there was merit in the opinions of radical anti-communists intent on laying waste to SE Asia and the peace movement should have listened to them. As I correctly indicated, it's a thoroughly repulsive point of view, quite in keeping with your disgusting racism and arrogance.
which still didn't give them enough seats to: a) form a government b) start their Jewish killing agenda Only after was Hitler recognised as dictator (through undemocratic means) could he have started his Holocaust against the Jews et al.
And I suppose the Palestinians have had the right to representation and a free and fair trial? No? What do you mean no?
Under The Holly Tree: Trapped in Gaza with a Fulbright Scholarship
Thank you so much for your work Phil. These are, indeed, beautiful children. One day, hopefully soon, you will be recognized as a pioneer for your brave work on these issues.
Ummmm, perhaps "oppression" and "occupation" are crimes the ARABS are guilty of, not Israelis. This is why Jews do not need to get upset about crimes not committed. See Kanan Makiya "Cruelty and Silence" for an insider's view of Arab oppression of Arabs. Just because Arabs blame Jews (and infidels like you?) for their problems doesn't mean that Jews are actually guilty…
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