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Tilda swinton in November 2011 Vogue Magazine.
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  1. thankgodimatheist
    thankgodimatheist
    October 15, 2011, 12:01 am

    Vogue put a note emphasising that the clothes, ‘throughout’ are her own…
    Kudos to Tilda.

  2. Eva
    Eva
    October 15, 2011, 1:04 am

    By the way, this fabulous scarf was designed by the sparkling Bella Freud for the Hoping Foundation. http://www.hopingfoundation.org/#/shop
    And of course, everyone must try and see Tilda’s turn in the amazing film on the PLO ‘Friendship’s Death’

  3. DICKERSON3870
    DICKERSON3870
    October 15, 2011, 1:10 am

    RE: “Don’t just stand there, let’s get to it, strike a pose, there’s nothing to it” ~ A. Horowitz & Madonna

    MY COMMENT: Swinton is one of my favorite actors/actresses. Here Swinton is certainly looking more like a young David Bowie (or John Hurt) than an aged Madonna. Vive la différence!

    A GREAT FILM WITH TILDA SWINTON: I Am Love (Io Sono L’Amore) 2009 R 119 minutes
    Oscar winner Tilda Swinton shows off her multilingual skills in director Luca Guadagnino’s atmospheric melodrama in which family dissension, unbidden desire and other tensions bubble to the surface during the patriarch’s birthday party. When the seemingly picture-perfect Recchi clan gathers at the family villa to celebrate the great old man, the veneer of civility quickly falls away in this Golden Globe nominee for Best Foreign Language Film.
    Language: Italian (English subtitles)
    Netflix Availability: Streaming, DVD and Blu-ray
    NETFLIX LISTING – http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/I_Am_Love/70125365
    I Am Love Trailer (VIDEO, 02:09) – http://www.imdb.com/video/imdb/vi1774061337/

    • Philip Munger
      Philip Munger
      October 15, 2011, 12:37 pm

      One of her early films – the only one I have – is the screen adaptation of Benjamin Britten’s War Requiem. It is a strange film with ethereal music. She played the nurse who attends to Sir Laurence Olivier. It was his last film role.

      I’ve ordered two of those scarves for Christmas presents – one each for my wife and daughter.

      • MHughes976
        MHughes976
        October 15, 2011, 6:12 pm

        You don’t think it’s a unisex product? If I wear one will they say I’m a cross-dresser as well as anti-Semite?

      • DICKERSON3870
        DICKERSON3870
        October 16, 2011, 12:51 am

        I looks more pinko-commie to me. You know what those dreadful Scots are like. They are even worse than the Welsh, and almost as bad as the Irish. But if that’s what you’re looking for comrades, then vive la différence!

        MEET MY NEW “DROP DEAD GORGEOUS” ICON/AVATAR! Are those “Bette Davis eyes” (VIDEO-03:38), or are they the cold, calculating eyes of a sociopath (or perhaps even a psychopath)?
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      • annie
        annie
        October 16, 2011, 12:56 am

        If I wear one will they say I’m a cross-dresser as well as anti-Semite?

        lol, i love this blog

      • annie
        annie
        October 16, 2011, 1:01 am

        did you see orlando? that was a great movie.

      • DICKERSON3870
        DICKERSON3870
        October 16, 2011, 7:59 pm

        Thanks, I added Orlando to my queue. And, having a “queue” makes me feel like such a proper English gentleman. “I just think things should work properly!” ~ Dyson
        Orlando at Netflix – http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/Orlando/831545
        P.S. And, Quentin Crisp plays Queen Elizabeth I. That should be interesting!

  4. ritzl
    ritzl
    October 15, 2011, 1:29 am

    More and more… Bit by bit… A mainstreamed view.

  5. Taxi
    Taxi
    October 15, 2011, 3:44 am

    I can’t get enough of this foto! I sent it out in a mass email yesterday with the heading: Everyone Now Knows Tilda Hearts Palestine.

    Hey I’d love to see a fashion shoot with Tilda and Shadia Mansour. Wow!

    p.s. I know Tilda is a good friend of David Bowie’s and David Bowie is extremely well-read on mideastern history and politics – though his public image is a-political. For all we know, he may very well have mondowiess bookmarked on his spacey Major Tom laptop :-)

    • Rania
      Rania
      October 16, 2011, 2:50 pm

      I can’t get enough of it either, Taxi. I think the reason that it is so powerful is the determined look on Tilda’s face. She almost looks as if she is daring someone to call her anti-Semitic or to question her political beliefs. I’m not sure why, but somehow I don’t think this will harm her career in the least. In fact, maybe I am naive, but I have this feeling that this photo will give other people the courage to do the same.

  6. Gellian
    Gellian
    October 15, 2011, 7:30 am

    Am I crazy? I saw that for a second and could have sworn it was a picture of David Bowie.

    Wow.

    • radii
      radii
      October 15, 2011, 3:35 pm

      circa the Low album period … Man Who Fell to Earth indeed

  7. Jim Holstun
    Jim Holstun
    October 15, 2011, 8:03 am

    Tilda first caught my admiring eye when, playing Queen Isabelle, she bit out the jugular of one of King Edward’s young lovers in Derek Jarman’s amazing EDWARD II. I began loving her when she played Hope Kurtz in STRANGE CULTURE, the film about the federal persecution of my University at Buffalo colleague, Professor Steve Kurtz, who was absurdly accused of “bioterrorism” in the midst of the crazy days of the early oughts, which are still with us, of course.

    Make no mistake: by doing this, she loses jobs and loses real money. She won’t starve, of course, but it’s a genuine, principled stand. Any bets on who will follow? I’m giving odds on Viggo Mortensen.

    • pabelmont
      pabelmont
      October 15, 2011, 10:51 am

      Vanessa Redgrave, all over again. I hope she does NOT lose jobs, but that, if she do, it be reported widely (and sympathetically). The “see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil” folks are ever active and seem to believe (and not unreasonably — it has worked for a oong time — that hiding ISrael’s persecution of Palestinians will prevent trouble for Israel (and for themselves).

      Be kinda nice if I-love-Israel’s-oppressive-behavior folks could take enough flak to make them think twice about adopting that position.

    • tommy
      tommy
      October 15, 2011, 12:55 pm

      Ms. Swinton may lose Hollywood work, but her great movie ‘I Am Love’ was a European production. She has attained enough artistic success to create her own projects.

    • Cliff
      Cliff
      October 15, 2011, 1:41 pm

      Viggo M. supported the protest of the Brand Israel thing at the Toronto Film Festival.

      • dalybean
        dalybean
        October 15, 2011, 6:53 pm

        Another brave one–Robert Downey, Jr., says the blackballing of Mel Gibson should stop.

  8. Real Jew
    Real Jew
    October 15, 2011, 11:27 am

    Amazing amazing amazing. Like Ritzl said above, “bit by bit.”

    Slowly but surely decent people everywhere are rising up on this issue. God bless them all

  9. lyn117
    lyn117
    October 15, 2011, 12:31 pm

    Wonderful scarf

    It looks like I have to wait until November to comment on-line – I can’t find this photo anywhere on vogue.com. Hope they don’t pull it.

  10. tommy
    tommy
    October 15, 2011, 12:35 pm

    I will be wearing my kaffiyeh when going to my city’s occupation later today.

  11. jewishgoyim
    jewishgoyim
    October 15, 2011, 1:12 pm

    It’s not as daring as supporting Palestine but I remember very vividly Johnny Depp criticizing Bush before the Iraq war and pitifully retracting what he had said 6 hours later. A call from Ari Gold to straighten him out? (for those who don’t know “Entourage”, Ari Gold is the fictional hyperactive Jewish agent based on Rahm Emanuel’s brother, advertised in the series as “the most powerful agent in Hollywood”)

    One of these times when the big screen hero seems somewhat less of a hero in real life.

    • dogday
      dogday
      October 15, 2011, 5:28 pm

      Depp retracted what he said? Why? For more bs movies and more $? I won’t be seeing any of his work in the future, the coward.

  12. dalybean
    dalybean
    October 15, 2011, 2:56 pm

    I know this is off-topic but when is Mondoweiss going to address the huge scandal that the recently deposed Liam Fox’s blackmailable obsession was largely being bankrolled by the Israel Lobby in Britain? Hedge-funders, private equity guys and weapons dealers and most of them connected to BICOM, the British AIPAC?

    • MHughes976
      MHughes976
      October 15, 2011, 6:20 pm

      Hear, hear. The BBC did mention yesterday that the grim assembly with which Fox had become involved had been encouraging him in his ‘pro-American, pro-Israel’ commitments. (There are assumptions about America and more distantly about Jewish people in that phrase that might be questioned.) A letter in today’s Independent by a Labour Member of Parliament rather cryptically accuses Fox of running an independent foreign policy.

      • straightline
        straightline
        October 15, 2011, 9:44 pm
      • annie
        annie
        October 15, 2011, 11:11 pm

        this is interesting reading too. and have you heard? British defense minister resigns over ties to best man .

        But the killer blow came on Friday with reports that financial backers linked to Israel and a private security firm had funded Werritty’s first class travel and hotel stays during his time with the minister.

      • annie
        annie
        October 15, 2011, 11:26 pm

        • Cabinet Secretary Sir Gus O’Donnell, the civil servant tasked with heading the full inquiry into the Fox/Werritty affair, resigned.

        and oddly enough, it appears at the inquiry Every Labour MP called by the Speaker – and by my count there were 18 of them – failed to land a glove on the Defence Secretary. Their questions were either over-elaborate or designed to show how smart the questioner was, or a combination of both. The question that was screaming out to be asked was: “What was Mr Werritty doing at those meetings?” That, surely, is what we all want to know. Why didn’t anyone ask? It’s not the first time that MPs have missed the obvious and it won’t be the last. The short, sharp and pithy question is a valuable weapon in the Chamber yet is seldom used.

        maybe the british MP have a lot in common with our congress in terms of their relationship to the israel lobby.

      • dalybean
        dalybean
        October 15, 2011, 10:46 pm

        Surprisingly, the right wing Daily Mail is running some very incendiary articles about the Israel connection right now.

        They have one article saying that the real fear was that Werritty was being run, wittingly or not, by Mossad and that Liam Fox may have therefore been a useful idiot for Mossad.

        They have another quoting a pissed off venture capitalist donor to the slush fund, who says he’s afraid the classified specs for a highly propietary defense application that he showed to Fox and Werrity might have ended up being “pirated” by the Israelis, because that’s what the Israelis do.

        Also, Werrity apparently spoke a little Farsi and was going into Iran and running meetings with opposition leaders like a spy, but not at the direction of the British government.

      • MHughes976
        MHughes976
        October 16, 2011, 7:39 am

        The Independent on Sunday has a main headline: ‘Werrity “plotted with Mossad to target Iran”‘ – lots of scare quotes.
        The main editorial congratulates the press on forcing Fox’s resignation. It seems to be agreed that (as annie mentions) the parliamentary debate was weak. This may be explained partly by the style of the main Opposition defence spokesman, Jim Murphy, who is rather too soft-spoken for these occasions – but I would share the suspicion that the Oppos have their own links with Israel, even with Mossad, that might not look too different from those in which Dr. Fox is entangled.
        The same edition of the IoS has a report on the famous Iranian plot against the Saudi Ambassador, ‘taken very seriously in the White House’. I can’t quite tell whether the reporter, Patrick Cockburn, is using these words with a straight face or a mocking one.

      • American
        American
        October 16, 2011, 3:28 pm

        That is great stuff!

      • Methuselah Now
        Methuselah Now
        October 16, 2011, 5:14 pm

        Hi,

        Cockburn is an incisive journalist – it will likely be mocking!

        For anyone interested more in this subject, and the axis with Israel, I’d also recommend reading recent posts from craig murray, former (and then slandered) ambassador to HM Govt. at http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/ .

        Yours kindly,

        MN

  13. dogday
    dogday
    October 15, 2011, 5:31 pm

    This one photo is more effective, more compelling to the casual reader than the th0usands of words I have written, the arguments fought, and talking with friends! We need more of these. Thank you, Tilda.

    • Sumud
      Sumud
      October 15, 2011, 6:49 pm

      Well now, don’t underestimate the contribution each of us make dogday.

      I agree this is a wonderful photo; growing awareness of Palestine, and Israel’s grotesque behaviour, has moved the issue into mainstream discourse.

      Zeitgeist.

  14. October 15, 2011, 8:35 pm

    I don’t know her. I boycott TV and majority of the movies for the last , good few years. But judging from the picture she must be a smart and brave woman. Not too mention very beautiful.

  15. Jeffrey Blankfort
    Jeffrey Blankfort
    October 15, 2011, 9:32 pm

    What is equally if not more extraordinary is that Conde Nast, publisher of Vogue, New Yorker, Glamour, Wired, and the add rich Vanity Fair chose to publish this photo in the first place. While there is no doubt its doing so will cause Dershowitz, Foxman, the ZOA’s Morton Klein and David Horowitz and their ilk to froth at the mouth, I suspect that they will not dare to launch a campaign targeting the magazine’s advertisers because they know it would be doomed to fail.

    • American
      American
      October 16, 2011, 3:33 pm

      Perhaps the elite ladies and fashion lovers will take up Palestine’s cause…charity luncheons, benefits, etc..Some up and coming designer could launch some Palestine inspired clothing for the elite young.

    • munro
      munro
      October 16, 2011, 5:00 pm

      scarf designed by Sigmund descendant Bella Freud. Never hurts to have bleeding heart MOT window dressing.

  16. DICKERSON3870
    DICKERSON3870
    October 16, 2011, 2:08 am

    RE: “[Scotswoman] Tilda swinton in November 2011 Vogue Magazine.”

    HASBARA SEZ: Incredible! This is outrageous! That big key on the Tilda Swinton’s scarf is obviously meant to represent the key(s) at Auschwitz that were used to lock the Jews in their barracks/dormitories at night. What an anti-Semitic Jew-hater! Unbelievable!
    All options must remain on the table in dealing with Scotland!

    P.S. FROM A FILM REVIEW BY GILAD ATZMAN OF “DEFAMATION” (2008):

    (excepts) I urge every person on this planet to watch Yoav Shamir’s Defamation, a documentary about anti-Semitism…
    …He provides us with some intimate footage of Israeli youth being indoctrinated into collective anxiety and total neurosis just before they join the IDF.
    The general image we are left with is no less than grotesque. The film elaborates on the aggressive vulgar orchestrated amplification of fear amongst Israelis and Zionist Jews. “We are raised to believe that we are hated” says an Israeli high school girl on her way to a concentration camp…
    …Shamir provides us with an opportunity to see how badly young Israelis behave once in Poland. You watch their contempt to the local population and disrespect to Polish people and institutes. You can also watch Israelis project their hatred onto others. For some reason they are convinced that everyone out there is as merciless as they happen to be. The Israeli youngsters are saturated with fear, yet, they are having a good time, you can watch them having a party dancing in a bus all the way to a Auschwitz…

    ENTIRE FILM REVIEW – http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/defamation-must-be-seen-a-film-review-by-gilad-atzmon.html
    “Defamation” can be streamed from Netflix – http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/Defamation/70117001
    “Defamation” on YouTube (in 9 parts) – http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Defamation+qsdfgh84

    P.P.S. AN INTERESTING DOCUMENTARY, BUT I HAVE SOME RESERVATIONS ABOUT GOLDHAGEN’S PROPOSED SOLUTION. – JLD
    Worse Than War 2010 NR 113 minutes
    Six decades after the Nazis systematically exterminated millions of Jews, Holocaust scholar Daniel Goldhagen returns to Europe to examine the roots of genocide and the reasons behind its continuing occurrence. Along the way, he gathers stories from survivors, eyewitnesses, participants and political figures who shed light on genocide’s disastrous effects and offer insights for preventing its repetition.
    Netflix Availability: Streaming (DVD availability date unknown)
    NETFLIX LISTING – http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/Worse_Than_War/70138084

    • Justice Please
      Justice Please
      October 16, 2011, 5:30 pm

      Ahm Defamation is truly good, but Daniel Goldhagen??

      Maybe he changed, but his first major work, Hitlers Willing Executioners, was racist garbage. He said Germans simply have it in their genes to kill Jews, in effect. Dumbest holocaust explanation ever.

      • DICKERSON3870
        DICKERSON3870
        October 17, 2011, 8:31 pm

        Interesting. In the above documentary, I did not detect that sort of racism. Perhaps he has learned to disguise it. That might explain why he proposes the particular solution he does, and why I have problems with it.
        In a nutshell he proposes establishing what is essentially every neocon’s favorite ‘wet dream’ of a League of Democracies to preemptively intervene all around the world to prevent genocide/eliminationism.
        This is a very dangerous notion, because I have little doubt that this would ultimately be misused, abused and perverted (like the IMF, World Bank, etc.) so as to facilitate “Western” hegemony (economic and otherwise). Also, I doubt that it would act to prevent Israel and “The West” from carrying out genocide against the Palestinians and/or other groups not favored by “The West”.

      • DICKERSON3870
        DICKERSON3870
        October 17, 2011, 8:53 pm

        P.S. Essentially:
        The League of “Democracies” = White Power! (globally speaking)

      • DICKERSON3870
        DICKERSON3870
        October 17, 2011, 8:47 pm

        RE: “his first major work, Hitlers Willing Executioners, was racist garbage. He said Germans simply have it in their genes to kill Jews, in effect. Dumbest holocaust explanation ever.” ~ Justice Please

        AN EXCELLENT DOCUMENTARY: The Architecture of Doom (Undergångens Arkitektur)1991, NR, 119 minutes (on YouTube in 12 segments & available for streaming at Netflix)
        This chilling documentary explores how artistic, cultural and historical trends forged the National Socialist aesthetic, which in turn contributed to the unspeakable horrors of the Holocaust.
        Swedish-born filmmaker Peter Cohen, whose parents escaped the Nazis, examines Hitler’s failed career as an artist, his fascination with Wagner, the Nazi obsession with cleanliness, the paradoxical link between “beauty” and evil in the Third Reich, and more.
        NETFLIX LISTING – http://www.netflix.com/WiMovie/The-Architecture-of-Doom/60000313
        YouTube, Architecture of Doom (12 segments) – http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=architecture+of+doom+Prometheo1&aq=f

  17. asherpat
    asherpat
    October 16, 2011, 5:09 am

    I love to read Vogue insightful and politically correct pieces, but recently, one of my favourites – the article about Asma Assad has gone “Oops, the page you’re looking for can not be found” on the webpage.

  18. Justice Please
    Justice Please
    October 16, 2011, 5:27 pm

    Tilda hearts Palestine, I heart Tilda.

    She gets a place in heaven next to Lupe Fiasco.

    Obama, in contrast,…

  19. kalithea
    kalithea
    October 17, 2011, 1:35 am

    WOW! This woman is genuine and fearless! I love it.

    • asherpat
      asherpat
      October 17, 2011, 4:35 am

      @kalithea, how is this woman “fearless” – as far as I remember, if you criticize Israel, the worst that can happen to you is to be called an Anti-semite. However, if you critisize Islam, you better budget a panic room in your flat.

      So again, what is “fearless” in taking the fashionable Palestine-chic stance?

      • Chaos4700
        Chaos4700
        October 17, 2011, 9:25 am

        Can you tell me more about this bizarro world portal you came from? I’d love to see the world where Finkelstein was given his tenure and Cynthia McKinney is still in Congress, while Dershowitz is marginalized and Bill O’Reilly can only find a job on Inside Edition.

      • Rania
        Rania
        October 17, 2011, 11:57 am

        Chaos, I was literally coming here to ask asherpat if he fell through a portal from another dimension and you totally beat me to it! Great minds think alike, I guess. /high-five.

      • asherpat
        asherpat
        October 17, 2011, 4:40 pm

        My question is simple: what is “fearless” in being on the spread of Vogue, “fighting” (from safe England) for a cause that is popular with your peers, a position that can at worst, land you with an accusation of anti-semitism?

        I think that this question is simple in any “dimension”. Can I have an answer, or only evasive nonsense?

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        October 17, 2011, 5:10 pm

        “Can I have an answer, or only evasive nonsense?”

        Must be terrible to be stuck with a computer which only gets one website, and that one website is full of evasive nonsense. Off switch must be broken, too. Such a tragedy.

      • Jeffrey Blankfort
        Jeffrey Blankfort
        October 18, 2011, 1:43 am

        asherpat,

        There is a long and sordid history of what has befallen public figures, large and small, who have publicly dared to challenge what that French official once, in a moment of absolute candor, properly categorized as “that shitty little state.”

        One of the first, but far from the last, was Sen JW Fulbright, who in 1963 held Senate hearings that revealed that tax-exempt donations to Israel by American Jews and others were being funneled back to the American Zionist Council (before it changed its name and camouflaged itself as AIPAC) to pay for propaganda designed to win over Americans in support of Israel’s ethnic cleansing policies.

        The next time that Fulbright came up for re-election, this courageous opponent of the Vietnam War was targeted by the Zionists whose only concern was Israel and they put up and funded Dale Bumpers to run against him and defeat him. Other congressional victims along the way afterward who honestly addressed the Palestinian cause included Charles Percy, Paul Findley, Adlai Stevenson III, Pete McCloskey and every member of the Congressional Black Caucus who had criticized Israel with the exception of John Conyers who they successfully managed to neuter. The CBC’s most recent victims, of course, were Cynthia McKinney and Earl Hilliard

        The movie industry is no less under the thumb of the Zionists than is Congress as Vanessa Redgrave, one of the leading actresses of her time, discovered when she openly espoused the Palestinian cause.

        “Though she continued appearing in mainstream as well as politically oriented films and documentaries such as Roy Battersby’s The Palestinians (1977), her views cost Redgrave roles on stage and screen and damaged her popularity, particularly in the U.S. Redgrave’s television debut in Playing for Time (1980) generated further controversy when Redgrave won an Emmy for her portrayal of a Jewish violinist interned in a Nazi death camp who is ordered to help serenade women on their way to the gas chambers. Due to her anti-Zionist stand, many, including Fana Fenelon, the real-life violinist whom Redgrave was portraying, objected to her playing a Jewish woman.” http://www.fandango.com/vanessaredgrave/biography/p59206.

        So, it is quite logical to expect that Tilda Swinton will fair no better at Hollywood’s hands than did Redgrave. Fortunately for Swinton, motion pictures are made elsewhere outside of Zionism’s pernicious influence.

      • asherpat
        asherpat
        October 18, 2011, 10:09 am

        Jeffo, consider having an olfactomy, because despite your deepest wishes, the “shitty little country” will continue to stink and irritate your nose for a long time.

      • Chu
        Chu
        October 18, 2011, 10:47 am

        Ahh, Jeff hit a nerve. Candor tends to hurt the sensitive pro-Israel types when discussing AIPAC’s grip on the US.
        But asherpat, it cuts both ways, more than you know.

      • Chu
        Chu
        October 18, 2011, 10:47 am

        Jeff, do you have any links on John Conyers? I never knew about him.

      • annie
        annie
        October 18, 2011, 10:58 am

        conyers has taken a lot of risks and bold actions in his career but not wrt israel. he almost single handily (amongst congress members) challenged the stolen ohio election that secured bush’s second term in office.

        What Went Wrong In Ohio:
        The Conyers Report on the 2004 Presidential Election

        http://www.academychicago.com/conyers.html

      • Jeffrey Blankfort
        Jeffrey Blankfort
        October 18, 2011, 1:07 pm

        At some point I not only suspect but expect that the world community that has already had more than a whiff of its foul contents will decide that a clean-up operation is long overdue.

      • Jeffrey Blankfort
        Jeffrey Blankfort
        October 18, 2011, 1:39 pm

        Chu, I have no links to Conyers’s old pro-Palestine positions because they were all in the days before the internet. Now he’s a shell of his former self.

      • Jeffrey Blankfort
        Jeffrey Blankfort
        October 18, 2011, 1:44 pm

        Annie,

        The only thing that takes courage in Congress is challenging Israel and speaking up for Palestine. When Ray McGovern testified at Conyers’s hearing on the origin of the Iraq war and McGovern said it could be traced to O-I-L, oil, Israel, and location of US military bases, Conyers let him know that he thought that comment was “anti-Semitic.”

        Conyers also was in a position as the head of the House Justice Committee to being a charge of impeachment against GW Bush and he, like Pelosi, pulled it off the table. I have lost all respect for the man.

      • Woody Tanaka
        Woody Tanaka
        October 17, 2011, 5:05 pm

        “as far as I remember, if you criticize Israel, the worst that can happen to you is to be called an Anti-semite.”

        That explains it. You have a shitty memory.

        Cheers!

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        October 17, 2011, 5:13 pm

        “as far as I remember”

        Apparently you haven’t read my latest paper on “Ziocaine Amnesia Syndrome in the Ziotroll”.

      • asherpat
        asherpat
        October 17, 2011, 6:27 pm

        Oh Mooser the Trollhunter, can you still answer my question, or it you spend too much energy unmasking ZioTrolls?

      • Chaos4700
        Chaos4700
        October 18, 2011, 1:07 am

        You might as well be asking us what color unicorn poop is, asherpat. Your question is meaningless.

      • asherpat
        asherpat
        October 18, 2011, 3:51 am

        I see that the self back-patting community of this blog is out in force. Like most of the left’s champagne socialists – when discussion comes to the substance, you just divert it by souting empty slogans, innuendoes and smears. Just answer the question or keep quiet.

      • Taxi
        Taxi
        October 18, 2011, 4:16 am

        asherpat,
        Jeffrey ALREADY gave you a brief history of zionists destroying people critical of it’s ethnic cleansing and Apartheid policies.

        So YOU KEEP QUIET YOURSELF you blind and hapless cog!

        Or else YOU PROVE THAT CRITICS OF ISRAEL ARE REWARDED!

      • Chaos4700
        Chaos4700
        October 18, 2011, 9:45 am

        So your argument falls apart and what do you do? Attack the left!

        How predictable. So nobody buys your neocon trash here, get over it. Go ask the question over at Drudge report, I’m sure they’ll happily devour your slop there.

      • Woody Tanaka
        Woody Tanaka
        October 18, 2011, 9:47 am

        “Just answer the question or keep quiet.”

        I have answered it. The answer is that your memory (and, perhaps, your thinking in general) is faulty if you think that a person does not take a risk by supporting Palestine — especially a person whose career relies in whole or part on the American film industry.

      • Chaos4700
        Chaos4700
        October 18, 2011, 9:23 pm

        Jeffrey Blankfort also gave an exhaustive answer, which asherpat quite naturally, couldn’t be bothered to address properly. Zionists and intelligent conversation don’t mix.

  20. emanresu
    emanresu
    October 18, 2011, 11:00 am

    Can’t speak for the others, but the main reason Findley lost was because he defended Reaganomics in the depth of the ’82 recession in a strong union district. Findley’s challenger, Dick Durbin, raised a lot of money from pro-Israel groups, that is true. However, Findley countered by raising a lot of money from pro-Arab groups. The two candidates were about equally matched in funding, as I recall. Findley would have won had he dared to speak out against Reaganomics.

    • Jeffrey Blankfort
      Jeffrey Blankfort
      October 18, 2011, 1:35 pm

      Dick Durbin, by his own admission, was solicited by AIPAC to run against Findley, as was Paul Simon against Charles Percy, as have been others along the way including, it appears, Sen. Dan Inyoui, Hawaii’s one-armed bandit who went into politics after a stint as an Israel Bond salesmen.

      In Findley’s case, while the funding was approximately the same, almost all of Durbin’s came from Jews outside of his district. In addition, AIPAC director Tom Dine recruited young Israel Firsters to “pound the pavements” on Durbin’s behalf and what was decisive, the borders of Findley’s district had been changed, eliminating his home area where we was extremely popular and bringing in a working class area that had been hit hard by Reagan’s economic policies.

      Redrawing the lines of political districts has long been another way to unseat a targeted politician and Illinois was no stranger to it. A decade later, the strongest critic of Israel in Congress, Chicago’s Gus Savage was defeated the same way: Redrawing district lines+outside Jewish money. Savage enraged the Jewish community by publicly reading a list of Jewish donors, all of them from out of state, who had contributed to his opponent, a bootlicking Uncle Tom named Mel Reynolds who was soon forced to resign after playing a around with a teenage volunteer. Reynolds had earned his Israeli stripes by volunteering on a kibbutz.

      Until this year when a vote by Californians changed the system, all of California’s congressional districts had been left to Michael Berman, brother of Uber Israel Firster Howard Berman who was also on Howie’s payroll.

      Thanks to the new system which established an “independent” state commission, which thus far seems immune from Zionist tampering, the new district boundaries that were redrawn after the 2000 census, have pit Berman against another Uber Israel Firster Brad Sherman for the same seat in 2012 and that fight over who is better for Israel has become increasingly nasty.

      • emanresu
        emanresu
        October 18, 2011, 10:36 pm

        I remember Gus Savage. No doubt he was hurt politically by campaign contributions to his primary opponent in 1992 by pro-Israel groups. He was also hurt by his own antics, which included trying to rape a Peace Corps volunteer in Zaire, and referring to the reporters covering him as “racists,” “race-traitors,” and “faggots.”

        I can’t speak to California politics, but in Illinois the decisive factor in Findley’s defeat was his support for Reaganomics during the brutal recession of ‘82. The decisive factor in Savage’s defeat, ten years later, was his own antics.

        Maybe I am naive, but I do not see the hidden hand of Jewry behind every electoral defeat, just as I do not see the hidden hand of Jewry in the Great Recession, 911, or the Kennedy assassinations.

      • Jeffrey Blankfort
        Jeffrey Blankfort
        October 19, 2011, 1:21 am

        You have raised other issues, extraneous to this post, but the point of a hidden hand is that you don’t see it. You, it seems, are not looking very hard.

        Findley and Savage were both hurt by redrawing district boundaries and these have often been done with the purpose of defeating a politician who otherwise could not be beaten at the ballot box.

        In Findley’s case, they added a large Democratic working class section to his district while eliminating his home area which was predominantly Republican. In Savage’s case, they added a white voting bloc while subtracting an equal number of black voters. That made the difference.

        While it’s true that Savage did not spare words when criticizing his critics, he was not the first member of Congress to do so and remain in office. Nor have reports of sexual escapades necessarily led to defeat, even with members of the same sex as we saw with Barney Frank.

        In Savage’s case, his other enemies, both Democrats and Republicans, were only too eager to rob him of a key voting bloc. That’s the hidden hand that the public doesn’t see.

        I’ll leave 9/11, JFK and the Great Recession for another thread.

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