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The Jewish Federations of North America are holding their annual general assembly in Denver. A lot of the program has a bunker vibe.

Like this yesterday: “Opening Forum: The Big Blue Tent and Jewish Dissent.” It features two Israel advocacy groups (the Jewish Agency for Israel and Makom) and wants to establish red lines on what people inside the Jewish community can talk about, emphasis mine:

As the international assault on Israel’s right to exist gains momentum, how can we clarify who is “on our side”?…. How should a Federation handle Jewish programming that appears to attack Israel?

Here’s another one, this morning, led by Irwin Cotler, the Canadian neocon leader: The Assault on Israel’s Legitimacy Monday, November 7.
 
Though Israel has overcome many challenges since its establishment, today the Jewish nation faces an unprecedented assault on its very right to exist. This session highlights the nature of the current global assault on Israel’s legitimacy and examines the strategies, goals and tactics required to counter this increasing threat. Leading political, social and cultural figures will provide you with key insights into the complex issue of delegitimization.
And yesterday there was this one on “community-building” in Jerusalem. Why do I think there was nothing about the Palestinian population of the occupied city? David Makovsky was on the panel, so was Nir Barkat, the Jerusalem mayor. Hmm. Sounds like quite an exercise in obfuscation and misdirection. 
And then there’s this one, on delegitimization, which is aimed at targeting “vulnerable constituencies.” I’m guessing this means young Jews who may not want anything to do with Israel? More concern about what’s happening inside Jewish life:
 

Combating Delegitimization: The North American Response Monday, November 7, 11:15 AM – 12:30 PM With anti-Israel efforts taking place on many stages, with many voices and varied tactics, countering delegitimization is a complicated task. Find out about proactive strategies that are being used to combat these challenges within North America, and learn tactical and adaptable strategies to use in your community. Under the guidance of the Israel Action Network, you’ll learn how to effectively lead the conversation about Israel by examining case studies and targeting vulnerable constituencies. 

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  1. justicewillprevail on November 7, 2011, 1:42 pm

    When will they grow up and stop the arrogance of assuming that Israel decides what Judaism is, what it stands for, and assumes to tell Jews what they are allowed to think. Jews are human beings too, you know, though you wouldn’t think it with the control freakery and absurd investment in hysteria about Israel these people make.

    • on November 7, 2011, 2:46 pm

      When will Israelis stop manipulating US political and governing bodies to achieve their own ends?

      The Iran brouhaha in the media today might have been a distraction-from-the-distraction, in which the real agenda was what Bibi has been demanding since he was 28 years old and appeared at an MIT conference: Bibi demands recognition that Jerusalem belongs to Jews.

      This morning on NPR, Nina Totenberg reported on the case of Israel-born now American-resident Jews, born in Jerusalem, who are asking the United States Supreme Court to affirm their right to have “Israel” on their US passport.

      The significance = that the case pits US Congress against US executive authority to make foreign policy, at least, that’s the way Totenberg framed the issue:

      Court Weighs President’s Power to Recognize Nations

      • RoHa on November 7, 2011, 7:24 pm

        If they are so keen on counting Jerusalem as part of Israel, why do they want citizenship in a country that does not recognize Jerusalem as part of Israel?

      • Hostage on November 7, 2011, 8:15 pm

        The significance = that the case pits US Congress against US executive authority to make foreign policy, at least, that’s the way Totenberg framed the issue

        That’s the way the Supreme Court framed the two issues, i.e. :

        “Whether the “political question doctrine” deprives a federal court of jurisdiction to enforce a federal statute that explicitly directs the Secretary of State how to record the birthplace of an American citizen on a Consular Report of Birth Abroad and on a passport?”
        and:
        “Whether Section 214 of the Foreign Relations Authorization Act, Fiscal Year 2003, impermissibly infringes the President’s power to recognize foreign sovereigns.”

        http://www.supremecourt.gov/orders/courtorders/050211zor.pdf

  2. pabelmont on November 7, 2011, 2:03 pm

    “Though Israel has overcome many challenges since its establishment, today the Jewish nation faces an unprecedented assault on its very right to exist.”

    They MAY have decided to treat demands to remove settlers as an attack on Israel’s right to exist. IF SO, for them, West Bank *IS* part of Israel, already, never mind the law of belligerent occupation and ALSO never mind the non-extension of citizenship rights and the vote to the people who live there.

    ALTERNATIVELY, they may be talking about BDS’s typical demand that the 1948 refugees be allowed to return (which would reduce the Jewish majority in pre-1967 Israel.

    THEY SHOULD BE REQUIRED TO IDENTIFY (AND NOT MERELY TO CHARACTERIZE) ATTACKS ON ISRAEL’S RtX.

    • Mndwss on November 7, 2011, 3:06 pm

      And Gaza is also a part of israel.

      Israeli Army Spokesperson Ari Shalikar:

      “A while ago the isreli navy boarded the two vessels that were on their way to break the maritime security blockade, which was imposed by israel on the gaza strip. We are talking about a very clear case of provocation and we maintain our right to defend our borders.”

      We maintain our right to defend our borders!

  3. Dan Crowther on November 7, 2011, 2:32 pm

    I think we have officially entered into the realm of the absurd…….

    • Mooser on November 7, 2011, 7:19 pm

      “I think we have officially entered into the realm of the absurd…….”

      Don’t worry, Dan, It may be the only place I know my way around, but I know it like the palm of my hand.

  4. Citizen on November 7, 2011, 2:35 pm

    Maybe some patriotic Americans should start discussions about Israel, and its lackeys here at AIPAC & other Establishment Jewish organizations, are delegitimizing the USA in the yes of the world (leaving its authority purely one of economic and/or military force, never of moral-ethical persuasion) via their conduct and policies and increasing enmeshment within the USA government’s structure?

    • pabelmont on November 7, 2011, 2:49 pm

      I like it. Yes, AIPAC and other Jewish orgs are delegitimizing A CERTAIN ISRAEL by beating the drums of war ONLY for Greater Israel, non-democratic and apartheid. SO IS THE USA CONGRESS, altho it could realistically claim that it is a SLAVE which cannot but do as it is told.
      But, YES, startt the discussions. Or continue them.

  5. on November 7, 2011, 3:18 pm

    Oh, the old tactic of finding the” enemy/bogeyman” within “our “groups.
    As everybody knows, there is always an “enemy/bogeyman”, hidden behind the bush ,(pun not intended) , ready to attack.
    Who is our “enemy” ,and who is not ,and what to do to recognise, and ultimately, hm, destroy our “enemy”.?
    So,#..
    1.Our enemy is the one ,who does not agree with the politics of Israel.
    2. Our enemy seems to defend Palestinians, and all Free Palestine movements
    3. Our enemy may come from all environments, and it looks like Jewish groups are not immuned to it, ( especially young ones).
    4. Enemy is an enemy ,and always should be treated like one, ( no exceptions).
    5. Now ,let’s “examine the strategies, goals and tactics required to counter this increasing threat” of a overall “enemy of the state of Israel………….

    Growing up in a communistic country ,I remember this neverending story of locating and destroying “the enemy”/”bogeyman” of the state/system.
    Everybody ,who dared to question/oppose the official idoeology/politics of a communistic regime, automatically received the label of “the enemy”.
    And, of course , a label “enemy” means that it is a very dangerous person/idea, who should not be tolerated in any state that really cares for its citizens.

    • pabelmont on November 7, 2011, 5:16 pm

      You are with us or against us. “Us” means what I say, and we are not about to engage in any discussion of what it is that are our goals, our positions, our ideals, even our ideas.

      Once upon a time, it was said in English law, that “a man and his wife are one person, and the man is that person.” Here, AIPAC has somehow persuaded the BIG ZION apparat that it is a single monolith and AIPAC speaks for it.

      Stalinist! And J-Street-ist!

      • on November 7, 2011, 6:02 pm

        a husband and wife should be kind of a” one person”. It is better for their marriage, I think.
        As for Big Zion scary apparat it is a totaly different story.
        Although not a new one.

  6. MarkF on November 7, 2011, 3:18 pm

    Why is it that demanding Israel become an independent country like France or Germany be considered delegitimizing?

    If anything, wouldn’t a country become even MORE legitimate by getting off the dole of another country?

  7. annie on November 7, 2011, 3:29 pm

    their timing is impeccable. International Week against the Apartheid Wall starts in 2 days NOV 9th.

    http://www.endtheoccupation.org/

  8. on November 7, 2011, 3:43 pm

    This official “witch-hunt jamboree” shows that they are worried about masses decrypting their true image
    Considering the sad fact that most of the public officials in “the big daddy’s US government” are carrying brooms “made in Israel” , that kind of “gathering in pursuit of a bogeyman” should be treated seriously.

  9. on November 7, 2011, 4:02 pm

    Your specialty ? A victim ,…

    • on November 7, 2011, 6:51 pm

      The worst thing is if a “Victim” turns into a “Victimizer” ,but wants to be know to the wholewideworld only as an eternal, “feel sorry for me”victim, who also wants be eternally/forever repaid for the wrongdoings done to her/his herd.
      A victim ,wearing publically a pure coat of the lamb ,yet in private, showing a bloody teeth of a scary wolf.

      • yourstruly on November 8, 2011, 12:20 am

        very good!

  10. radii on November 7, 2011, 4:10 pm

    The hard-line zionists don’t get it: the “right to exist” propaganda no longer works – it is a non-starter these days – and their push for war with Iran and retreat into ever-more extreme positions that call for violence only serves to throw into dramatic relief the vast power and influence they wield – making a mockery of their claim that their very right to exist is somehow under assault … the rest of the world – which lives outside the bunker – gets it: zionists want what they want the way they want it and damn anything and anybody who gets in their way – it is this mindset that allows them to rationalize their racism, militarism, serial war-crimes, extortion of their main benefactor (the U.S.), and on and on it goes … only by finally pulling their heads out of the bunker (and other places) will the zionists see that they’ve grossly overplayed their hand and it is time to enjoy their current gains and make peace with the world and, most importantly, their neighbors in Palestine

    • annie on November 7, 2011, 4:15 pm

      it is this mindset that allows them to rationalize their racism, militarism, serial war-crimes, extortion of their main benefactor (the U.S.), and on and on it goes …

      don’t forget what’s on the top of their list of rationalizations..EXPANSION

      • seafoid on November 7, 2011, 5:03 pm

        top of their list of rationalizations..EXPANSION

        … followed by moaning. Zionist crybaby theatrics.

        “Though Israel has overcome many challenges since its establishment, today the Jewish nation faces an unprecedented assault on its very right to exist. ”

        They could pull back to 1967 borders tomorrow but they won’t.
        Sovereignty is about responsibility and Israel can’t take it.

      • justicewillprevail on November 7, 2011, 5:44 pm

        “today the Jewish nation faces an unprecedented assault on its very right to exist”

        This is so patently and demonstrably false, why do these propagandists get away with such ravings so easily? How sick are they, working away ceaselessly and ruthlessly for 60 years on the vicious assault and denial of Palestine’s right to exist. What was the UNESCO vote except a denial of Palestine’s legitimacy? Yet they are the ones whining, the ones who call Congress to tune, have the arrogance to insist a bill is passed not allowing US politicians to talk to Iran, and thus trying to ensure that the only option the US has is to be dragged into a war of Israel’s choosing. How seditious and illegitimate is that? How illegitimate is a state which ignores international law and agreements? These people live in fantasy land, and are determined that everybody else must share the racist, exclusionary Disney world which they are determined to create. And if you don’t believe in Snow White you are a terrorist, and must be eliminated. A dreamworld is always in danger of someone waking up to reality. No wonder they work so hard to maintain the fiction.

  11. on November 7, 2011, 5:03 pm

    a pretty good video, worth seeing.
    Of course , witch-hunters are not gonna like it.
    It goes against their oficial ideology.

    • pabelmont on November 7, 2011, 5:35 pm

      Very powerful video.

      The Muslim speaker clearly makes the case that the enemy is not non-Muslims and not Jews and not Judaism but zionism.

      Powerful snippet: Finkelstein refuses to give in to the crocodile tears of the Holocaust rememberers. (One felt badly for the girl whose tears may have been real) but Finkelstein is right to refuse to back down before those who prefer to ameliorate the sufferings of those now dead (Holocaust dead) in favor of those now living (Palestinians).

      • RoHa on November 7, 2011, 7:54 pm

        “Powerful snippet: Finkelstein refuses to give in to the crocodile tears of the Holocaust rememberers. (One felt badly for the girl whose tears may have been real)”

        She didn’t paint the tears on, but what I felt bad about was the absurdity of her emotions.

        She said that comparing Jews with Nazis was (a) offensive to people who are German. A lot of Germans were Nazis, and I suppose they would have been offended by being compared to Jews, but why should a Canadian girl cry about it?

        She also said it was offensive to people who had suffered under the Holocaust. It quite possibly would be (though she seemed aware that Finkelstein was not comparing all Jews with Nazis) but, again, why should a Canadian girl born long after the Holocaust was over cry about this possbile offence either?

        How badly has her mind been twisted, that she sheds such tears over it?

      • on November 7, 2011, 8:23 pm

        I loved Finkelstein’s response.
        Especially the “shut up” part to some whining, rude and disruptive memebers of the audience.
        He doesn’t fall for some boo and hoo reactions , or tears of a “disturbed” , full of self-pity Canadian “dame in distress”.

    • pabelmont on November 7, 2011, 5:37 pm

      dumvita: as to the Balfour declaration and as to the land-deeds given (I suppose) by Israel to settlers: “nemo plus iuris transfere potest quam ipse habet.”

      • on November 7, 2011, 6:07 pm

        “Contra vim non valet ius”.

  12. seafoid on November 7, 2011, 5:05 pm

    With anti-Israel efforts taking place on many stages, with many voices and varied tactics, countering delegitimization is a complicated task. Find out about proactive strategies that are being used to combat these challenges within North America, and learn tactical and adaptable strategies to use in your community.

    Strategies that actually work :

    1. Don’t lie
    2. Don’t vomit hasbara
    3. stand up for human rights for goys in Erez Israel
    4 Recognise Lieberman for the fascist he is

    • justicewillprevail on November 7, 2011, 5:50 pm

      I know it’s dangerous but maybe accepting the truth might gain you some friends. A truth and reconciliation committee would be a good start, with open hearings.

  13. vered on November 7, 2011, 5:28 pm

    The fact of the matter is that Israel does not have the right to exist acting out its current course with impunity. It cannot continue to do what it likes to Palestinians or their property, it cannot act as a violent belligerent in the neighborhood (Lebanon, Syria, etc.), and say that it “has a right to exist” on this current course. That is the bottom line, no matter what the religious proclivities happen to be – or how much you try to shove the ME into immigration to the so-called “promised land” like some modern day manifest destiny for the chosen ones, which is nothing but a murderous settler state colonial apparatus with all the attended racism and vainly justified atrocities – there no right to exist in this form and there never will be (there or elsewhere).

  14. manfromatlan on November 7, 2011, 6:35 pm

    Today’s the anniversary of the Balfour Declaration. Perhaps it really is time to issue an anti-Balfour Declaration, whereby Palestine should revert to ALL its inhabitants, and not just a colonial few?

  15. MRW on November 7, 2011, 7:05 pm

    Someone needs to get their hands on the techniques this conference is advancing, and the list of groups they are going after. Is there anyone in Denver who can go to this powwow?

    • annie on November 7, 2011, 7:52 pm

      i think richb is in denver. and code pink goes everywhere!

      ;)

  16. Chaos4700 on November 7, 2011, 7:12 pm

    Better pray those long knives never come out.

  17. James on November 7, 2011, 7:18 pm

    why everyone is on israels side, unless a mike is on and a few world leaders don’t know it, lol………………

  18. Les on November 7, 2011, 7:25 pm

    No apparent concerns about Jewish promotion of ideas that are contrary to the tenets of Judasim. For example the unending and insistent demand of Jews for justice throughout the centuries and throughout the world versus Jewish support for occupation and ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians by certain groups of Jews, not all of whom are in Israel.

  19. Kathleen on November 8, 2011, 8:27 am

    “:As the international assault on Israel’s right to exist gains momentum, how can we clarify who is “on our side”?..”

    The whole premise of Israel’s and the I lobbies spin “assault on Israel’s right to exist” is such bull. Who is questioning their legal right to exist?

    The push for attention on this issue is Israel’s persistent stealing of more Palestinian land based on the 67 border.

    Israel legally exist based on international recognition of the 67 border

    • manfromatlan on November 8, 2011, 2:06 pm

      The 1967 ‘border’ is not “internationally recognized” nor is it valid.

      • Hostage on November 8, 2011, 4:43 pm

        The 1967 ‘border’ is not “internationally recognized” nor is it valid.

        I don’t know why everyone claims that permanent armistice lines of demarcation aren’t internationally recognized. The implementation and observance of the armistice agreements were governed by Chapter VII Security Council resolutions, the regulations annexed to the Hague Convention of 1904, and the regime of the United Nations Truce Supervision Organization (UNTSO) contained in the agreements themselves.

        The 1949 Armistice Agreements were concluded under the auspices of UN Security Council resolutions 62 & 73. Those are legally binding on every member state of the United Nations. The Charter of the United Nations codified many principles of customary international law dealing with the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity of any state, including provisional boundaries established under the Hague rules. Those are reflected in General Assembly resolution 2625 (XXV) “Declaration On Principles Of International Law Concerning Friendly Relations And Co-Operation Among States In Accordance With The Charter Of The United Nations”. It provides that:

        Every State… has the duty to refrain from the threat or use of force to violate international lines of demarcation, such as armistice lines, established by or pursuant to an international agreement to which it is a party or which it is otherwise bound to respect.

        In 2004 both the General Assembly and ICJ claimed, among other things, that the construction of a wall in the Occupied Palestinian Territory was illegal because its route departed from the agreed upon armistice lines.

    • Hostage on November 8, 2011, 5:12 pm

      The whole premise of Israel’s and the I lobbies spin “assault on Israel’s right to exist” is such bull. Who is questioning their legal right to exist?

      The folks in the annual Apartheid Week and the Russell Tribunal are highlighting the fact that, as it is presently constituted, the State of Israel is an illegal apartheid regime like the former Union of South Africa, Southweat Africa, Rhodesia, the Portuguese Overseas Provinces of Angola and Mozambique, & etc.

      Despite propaganda statements to the contrary, the International Convention on the Suppression and Punishment of the Crime of Apartheid (ICSPCA) alluded to all of the illegal white supremacist regimes in southern Africa, not just the one in the Union of South Africa, e.g.

      For the purpose of the present Convention, the term “the crime of apartheid”, which shall include similar policies and practices of racial segregation and discrimination as practised in southern Africa . . .

      Its no accident of history that none of those regimes exist anymore. They were all delegitimized by the UN and the human rights treaty bodies, like the CERD.

  20. wondering jew on November 8, 2011, 9:20 pm

    I think “paranoia” is the wrong word here.
    The Zionist organizations are afraid of delegitimization.
    They propose methods to stop this process.
    You (Phil) agree that they should be afraid of delegitimization. That if the Arab spring results in true freedom, the end of Israel is near. How to stop this danger? They think some superficial Public relations can make a difference. You feel that Israel needs to change drastically in order to survive.

    You both agree there is a danger, the Zionist proposals for change to meet this danger are superficial and your proposals for change are essential. There is agreement on the danger. Paranoia would mean that they see a danger when there is none. But you agree there is a danger. Paranoia is the wrong word.

    • annie on November 8, 2011, 10:05 pm

      superficial Public relations ? is that what you call this drumbeat to bomb iran?

      That if the Arab spring results in true freedom, the end of Israel is near. How to stop this danger? ….You feel that Israel needs to change drastically in order to survive…..There is agreement on the danger.

      ahhh, not sure if i would describe phil and the federations’ opinion as ‘in agreement’ wrt ‘the danger’.
      i think this thread perfectly demonstrates how the Jewish Feds General Assembly seems paranoid about ‘who is on our side’ inside Jewish community. in fact we have 3e here claiming mooser isn’t even jewish..that’s how desperate this appears. if he in any way represents the level of paranoia they feel this is definitely off the rails. because i will tell you from my experience the non zio jews i know personally ain’t gonna be relinquishing their jewishness no matter how big a fight anyone puts up. you can’t just dump them and wipe your hands like they do not exist for you no matter how hard you try. they’re jews, they have voices, and the federation is paranoid about them.

      it is the right word for sure.

      • wondering jew on November 9, 2011, 4:15 pm

        Annie- First: attacking Iran was not the subject of this post. In my opinion (feeling) Israel should learn to live with a nuclear Iran rather than attack it. I think attacking Iran would be unwise. (On the other hand to fear the Iranian bomb is not paranoia, especially given the “messianic” nature of Khomeini’s students.) To think that a nuclear Iran is a threat to Israel is not paranoia, it is logical. Iran’s support of Hamas and Hezbollah and general shit stirring in the region of the middle east makes it a menace and a nuke would make it a menace with a nuke. To try to keep a menace at a manageable size is logical. The repercussions of attacking Iran might not measure up to the value of keeping a menace at a manageable size. But fearing Iran is not paranoia.

        As far as saying “Whose side are you on?” That within itself does not seem to me to be paranoia. (A silly example comes to mind. When Dylan played “Maggie’s Farm” at Newport with electricity, some in the crowd asked, “Whose side are you on?” meaning are you on the side of the pure: folk music or are you on the side of the impure commercial rock music.)

        To question whose side are you on regarding Israel does not seem to me to be paranoia. (Saying one is Jewish if one supports Israel or speaks Hebrew and one is not if one supports a one state solution and only speaks Yiddish is a different question.) I believe that Israel must change (let’s say 15 degrees, as in 360 degrees of a circle) in order to survive. Many people here feel that Israel must change 180 degrees in order to survive. Even though we are both on the side of change, the 165 degree difference is too large to really describe us being on the same side. Those who favor BDS in order to change Israel usually are nearer to the 165 degree change than to the 15 degree change. that people would say: you are against me or us if they differ to that degree is indicative that people have to make choices: whose side are you on? Those who favor Buber’s vision and disregard the dangers this might create seem to me naive, but not necessarily enemies. People who salivate at the idea of Israel vanishing I do consider to be enemies. But this is a measure of destination. If we are both pushing a piece of furniture towards point X and we are pushing in opposite directions we are not on the same side. That is not a question of paranoia, but a question of goals and means.

      • annie on November 9, 2011, 5:22 pm

        time is not a circle it is more like a spiral. there is no realistic way to gauge the problems being fixed as 15 degrees of a circle. there is a drastic problem and focusing on those who speak the problem as the threat instead of fixing the problem itself is a little nuts. worrying about the “unprecedented assault on its very right to exist” when israel is sitting there w/nukes up the yang controlling all the resources and keeping millions of people locked up..is, in my definition, paranoid.

        if israel were so worried they should fix the problem, not silence the critics and denounce them or discuss kicking them out of the club.

        but i did appreciate your attempt to communicate. i think israel would be much less likely to continually expand, invade and threaten future invasions if they knew it would essentially end their existence and eventually it will if they keep this up. at the rate the US is bleeding as a nation supporting these wars we won’t be able to prop you up forever no matter how powerful your lobby is.. they have to stop threatening and invading and oppressing people. that should be the federations focus. heal thyself.

      • Hostage on November 9, 2011, 6:08 pm

        Those who favor Buber’s vision and disregard the dangers this might create seem to me naive, but not necessarily enemies.

        Well, I’d certainly hope not. Less than two years before UNSCOP the first President of the State of Israel was still advocating Buber’s vision:

        As regards the possible government of Palestine, Mr. Blevin recently had a talk with Dr. Weizmann, who appears now to be against partition and talked about a Swiss constitution with cantons which would be a bilingual state with opportunities for both races to be represented abroad, and which would provide common services within. His Majesty’s Government would be willing for consideration to be given to this as well.

        –http://digicoll.library.wisc.edu/cgi-bin/FRUS/FRUS-idx?type=goto&id=FRUS.FRUS1945v08&isize=M&submit=Go+to+page&page=776

      • Citizen on November 9, 2011, 9:31 pm

        There’s only one people pushing that furniture toward point X and they have a giant US-made and paid for armored Caterpillar dozer to do it. Rachel Corrie found out where point X is. “It all depends on what point X is, is.”

      • wondering jew on November 9, 2011, 9:43 pm

        annie and phil- I think and feel (and assert strongly but awkwardly) the word “paranoid” should be used sparingly and accurately rather than with a broad brush on this subject.

      • Citizen on November 10, 2011, 7:48 am

        Instead of “paranoid,” how about we use Atzmon’s coinage for what ails re this subject? Not PTSD (which applies mostly to US goy cannon fodder), but Pre-TSD aka “Pre-TSS? (S=syndrome)?

      • wondering jew on November 10, 2011, 2:43 pm

        Citizen- Atzmon is a snake. And I apologize to the snake. Quoting Atzmon…

      • manfromatlan on November 10, 2011, 7:53 pm

        You raise an interesting point, wandering. Of course, if Israel chooses to threaten its neighbours with 300+ nukes I for one might wish for the Iranians to possess as many, to be fair and all.

        That someone with nukes and F-16’s should still suffer ‘existential’ fears seems illogical, but I think it’s just a fancy name for paranoia :)

    • yourstruly on November 8, 2011, 10:19 pm

      The promise in delegitimization, not the danger. The opportunity for ex-jewish settlers to share a just and peaceful society, with the young no longer having to tote rifles wherever they go, and how’s that for creating a better and more secure society?

  21. Citizen on November 9, 2011, 9:42 pm

    Today, the Jewish community under Apartheid in former S Africa are still battling with their younger generation behind the walls of their synagogues regarding complicity with the Afrikaner regime, from which said community greatly profited. Many younger Jews have left because the old Jews won’t admit their historical complicity and how rich they got from it, and they won’t make any form of reparations no matter how veiled. Nor will they admit they were a significant part of the former apartheid regime’s die-hard partnership with Israel right up to the last minute world BDS finally effected regime change. Many of the young have left the country, gone to USA, Canada, Australia, etc. There’s an echo in the USA of this generational split in the Jewish community. And the reasons are the same essentially. Old wine in new bottles.

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