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CIA considers Israel the largest counterintelligence threat in the Middle East

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From the Associated Press article “US sees Israel, Tight Mideast Ally, As Spy Threat“:

The CIA considers Israel its No. 1 counterintelligence threat in the agency’s Near East Division, the group that oversees spying across the Middle East, according to current and former officials. Counterintelligence is the art of protecting national secrets from spies. This means the CIA believes that U.S. national secrets are safer from other Middle Eastern governments than from Israel.

Israel employs highly sophisticated, professional spy services that rival American agencies in technical capability and recruiting human sources. Unlike Iran or Syria, for example, Israel as a steadfast U.S. ally enjoys access to the highest levels of the U.S. government in military and intelligence circles.

The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they weren’t authorized to talk publicly about the sensitive intelligence and diplomatic issues between the two countries.

The counterintelligence worries continue even as the U.S. relationship with Israel features close cooperation on intelligence programs that reportedly included the Stuxnet computer virus that attacked computers in Iran’s main nuclear enrichment facilities. While the alliance is central to the U.S. approach in the Middle East, there is room for intense disagreement, especially in the diplomatic turmoil over Iran’s nuclear ambitions.

“It’s a complicated relationship,” said Joseph Wippl, a former senior CIA clandestine officer and head of the agency’s office of congressional affairs. “They have their interests. We have our interests. For the U.S., it’s a balancing act.”

The way Washington characterizes its relationship with Israel is also important to the way the U.S. is regarded by the rest of the world, particularly Muslim countries. . .

The tension exists on both sides.

The National Security Agency historically has kept tabs on Israel. The U.S., for instance, does not want to be caught off guard if Israel launches a surprise attack that could plunge the region into war and jeopardize oil supplies, putting American soldiers at risk.

Matthew Aid, the author of “The Secret Sentry,” about the NSA, said the U.S. started spying on Israel even before the state was created in 1948. Aid said the U.S. had a station on Cyprus dedicated to spying on Israel until 1974. Today, teams of Hebrew linguists are stationed at Fort Meade, Md., at the NSA, listening to intercepts of Israeli communications, he said.

CIA policy generally forbids its officers in Tel Aviv from recruiting Israeli government sources, officials said. To do so would require approval from senior CIA leaders, two former senior officials said. During the Bush administration, the approval had to come from the White House.

Israel is not America’s closest ally, at least when it comes to whom Washington trusts with the most sensitive national security information. That distinction belongs to a group of nations known informally as the “Five Eyes.” Under that umbrella, the United States, Britain, Australia, Canada and New Zealand agree to share intelligence and not to spy on one another. Often, U.S. intelligence officers work directly alongside counterparts from these countries to handle highly classified information not shared with anyone else.

Israel is part of a second-tier relationship known by another informal name, “Friends on Friends.” It comes from the phrase “Friends don’t spy on friends,” and the arrangement dates back decades. But Israel’s foreign intelligence service, the Mossad, and its FBI equivalent, the Shin Bet, both considered among the best in the world, have been suspected of recruiting U.S. officials and trying to steal American secrets.

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  1. anan
    anan on July 30, 2012, 9:43 am

    Anecdotally, there is tension between Israelis and CIA types.

    • Mooser
      Mooser on July 30, 2012, 11:21 am

      “Anecdotally, there is tension between Israelis and CIA types.”

      To get that kind inside info, you need to keep both ears to the ground, which is easy to do if there’s nothing between them.

      • MRW
        MRW on July 30, 2012, 6:42 pm

        That’s a great line, Mooser. You make that up by yourself, ‘cuz if so, I’m stealing it as my own. (both ears to the ground…)

    • lysias
      lysias on July 30, 2012, 1:54 pm

      James Jesus Angleton, the CIA counterintelligence chief whom retired Army intelligence officer and university history professor John Newman identified as the man who organized the JFK assassination in the paperback edition of his book Oswald and the CIA: The Documented Truth About the Unknown Relationship Between the U.S. Government and the Alleged Killer of JFK, had as one of his organizational titles being the liaison between the CIA and Mossad.

      • seanmcbride
        seanmcbride on July 30, 2012, 7:04 pm

        I once heard a story from a reliable source — it may be true or not — that James Angleton, the head of the CIA Mossad desk, thought that he himself was the target of Mossad ops and may have been poisoned by Mossad.

        Mossad has managed to stir up many paranoid vibes all around the world — to a degree that is unbelievable when one takes into account the size of Israel. One wonders if Mossad members themselves are paranoid about one another. I’ll wager they are.

      • libra
        libra on July 30, 2012, 8:07 pm

        SM: One wonders if Mossad members themselves are paranoid about one another. I’ll wager they are.

        They’d be freiers if they weren’t.

      • on July 30, 2012, 9:02 pm

        Israel has multiple public memorials to James Angleton. As head of counter-intel, his track record in discovering moles and double agents was abysmal.

        If anything, Angleton was likely too cozy with Israel, and probably too too close to Israel.

        Angleton was working with Meyer Lansky when Lansky was working with both governments.

    • Shingo
      Shingo on July 30, 2012, 6:15 pm

      Anecdotally, there is tension between Israelis and CIA types.

      Anecdotally, you post a lot of garbage on this forum.

      • on July 30, 2012, 9:07 pm


        Anecdotally, Jonathan Pollard loved America.

      • kapok
        kapok on August 1, 2012, 2:33 pm

        you mean the flag

  2. annie
    annie on July 30, 2012, 11:05 am

    this was published in the washington post yesterday too. impressive.

    • anan
      anan on July 30, 2012, 11:21 am

      Its not impressive. Lots of articles like this use to be published in the early 1980s and even before that. More like status quo standard fare.

      • ColinWright
        ColinWright on July 30, 2012, 1:34 pm

        If we’re returning to the early eighties, then that’s hardly an indication that we’re sticking with the status quo.

        Back then, we used to do things like suspend aid to Israel until they halted settlement building, force them to sign treaties, etc.

      • lysias
        lysias on July 30, 2012, 1:51 pm

        Lots of articles like this use to be published in the early 1980s and even before that.

        But since then?

      • anan
        anan on July 30, 2012, 6:10 pm

        lysias, people have continually said these sorts of things about Israel within the US security establishment.

      • annie
        annie on July 30, 2012, 7:37 pm

        the compliant zionist msm generally doesn’t repeat it tho. since, according to you, this is so unimpressive and non interesting perhaps you could run along and add your chattering to more worthy threads.

      • Shingo
        Shingo on July 30, 2012, 6:16 pm

        Lots of articles like this use to be published in the early 1980s and even before that.

        About the Soviets yes, not Israel.

      • annie
        annie on July 30, 2012, 7:40 pm

        did you see this line? AP

        “working in Israel is like operating in Moscow”

    • lysias
      lysias on July 30, 2012, 11:35 am

      If the story was in yesterday’s print Washington Post, I missed it. More likely, WaPo put this AP story up on its Web site, but did not put it in the print newspaper. They often do that with AP stories.

  3. Les
    Les on July 30, 2012, 11:06 am

    Nevertheless, we won’t hear a peep out of our security establishment when Obama pardons Pollard. What did you hear from them when it became public that Netanyahu was part of the Israeli gang that smuggled nuclear triggers out of the US?

    • anan
      anan on July 30, 2012, 11:23 am

      There was a roar the last couple times that Bibi begged Washington to pardon Pollard. Including during the Clinton and GW Bush eras.

      Israeli theft of US technology has long been a big sore point. Most of Israel’s nuclear technology is generally thought to have come from France.

    • lysias
      lysias on July 30, 2012, 11:38 am

      There’s a good chance this story leaked with the approval of the Obama administration. It’s perhaps not so surprising that unnamed officials would leak the story, but it is rather surprising that the AP would dare to carry it.

      • American
        American on July 30, 2012, 12:27 pm

        I once thought Obama was some article leaks about Israel but now am not so sure.
        With Obama in the news so often giving Israel this and that and proclaiming his loyalty to Israel what does he gain when the news exposes Israel for what it is? Seems the negative leaks on Israel would make Obama look even worse, as more interested in benefiting Israel no matter what it does to the US.
        I think there is that pro US circle I mentioned before in the CIA and some other gov agencies that are doing the leaking and they have a few friends in the press to help them slid the articles in the ms press.

      • MLE
        MLE on July 30, 2012, 7:09 pm

        He wants to make Romney look bad. Romney is over there pledging all his support to Israel on behalf of Sheldon Adelson, and some people might read this story and think, “hm, if our intelligence community has so many issues with the Israelis, maybe Romney should take a step back or two”

        It’s a message for non Jewish, non Christian Zionist Americans- Romney supporting Israel unconditionally is bad. Obama (while certainly not anti Israel) would do a better job at maintaining the diplomatic balance.

      • Roya
        Roya on July 30, 2012, 7:49 pm

        I think there is that pro US circle I mentioned before in the CIA and some other gov agencies that are doing the leaking and they have a few friends in the press to help them slid the articles in the ms press.

        Agreed. From what I can tell the lower and mid-level agents in the CIA and FBI are patriots, but it’s the upper level agents who have gotten to where they are by keeping their mouths shut and doing what they’re told and in effect contributing to the national suicide efforts that Israel firsters are hell-bent on having the U.S. committing.

      • AllenBee
        AllenBee on July 31, 2012, 3:01 am

        spend an hour or so browsing Der Spiegel. See what a pistol-whipped nation looks like.

        zionists administer guilt like an IV drip, to ensure German compliance with Israeli demands for more money, political cover, privilege to young Jews in Germany, nuclear submarines.
        This is what will happen — is happening — to the United States.
        “An example unto the nations.”

    • MRW
      MRW on July 30, 2012, 6:50 pm

      Nevertheless, we won’t hear a peep out of our security establishment when Obama pardons Pollard.

      Oh yes you will. It was leaked that Biden screamed at Obama for even thinking about it. You will hear a whole shitload of complaints. CIA operatives died. So did their families. And over 1,000 assets behind the then Iron Curtain. Pollard stole a 10 ft cube of documents that represented our entire nuclear capability, defense stations, codes, NATO positions. It was the greatest theft of national security secrets in the country’s history. I just wish that Pollard had been tried before they put the life sentence without parole into place for spying. He’s up for parole in three years. Not saying he’s going to get it.

  4. seanmcbride
    seanmcbride on July 30, 2012, 11:41 am

    What message was Israel trying to send in the refrigerator incident? That they will “Arafat” their enemies (“poloniumize” them), including Americans?

    The story brought to mind a Mel Gibson movie,”Edge of Darkness,” in which this scenario and theme played a key role:

    From the Washington Post:

    The CIA station chief opened the locked box containing the sensitive equipment he used from his home in Tel Aviv, Israel, to communicate with CIA headquarters in Virginia, only to find that someone had tampered with it. He sent word to his superiors about the break-in. The incident, described by three former senior U.S. intelligence officials, might have been dismissed as just another cloak-and-dagger incident in the world of international espionage, except that the same thing had happened to the previous station chief in Israel. It was a not-so-subtle reminder that, even in a country friendly to the United States, the CIA was itself being watched. In a separate episode, according to another two former U.S. officials, a CIA officer in Israel came home to find the food in the refrigerator had been rearranged. In all the cases, the U.S. government believes Israel’s security services were responsible.

    This raises a larger question: to what extent might Israel be running black ops against Americans and Europeans who are merely articulate and influential critics of Israel? Do high profile critics of Israel like Phil Weiss, Glenn Greenwald, Stephen Walt, Roger Waters and Richard Falk need to worry? How far are extremists in the Israeli government (or independent vigilantes) willing to go to destroy their political and ideological enemies (“Amalek”)? Do they have any limits? We know that they don’t hesitate to murder Iranian scientists. They give the impression that they have no limits at all and have the mentality of ruthless gangsters.

    • on July 30, 2012, 12:57 pm

      Sean, if you haven’t already, read “By Way of Deception”, the Mossad tell-all by Victor Ostrovsky. It should be available free online if you know where to look.

      “Is it good for the Jews?” is the driving “moral” code, along with personal profit.

      The Mossad is accountable to nobody in the Israeli government, and being recruited is the ultimate dream among most Israelis and many diaspora Jews.

      Rabbi’s Message to Anti-Semites

      • AllenBee
        AllenBee on July 31, 2012, 2:42 am

        “The proposed Holocaust Rail Justice Act would allow survivors who were transported by the French national railway, SNCF, to Nazi death camps during the German occupation of France to sue in American courts. The bill’s sponsor, Senator Charles Schumer, says that more than 76,000 Jews, resistance fighters and a small number of US prisoners of war were deported to the camps on SNCF trains. Only 3 percent survived.
        Would Law Cover Deutsche Bahn?
        In the past, lawsuits against SNCF have failed in the United States because of the hazy legal situation. The Foreign Sovereign Immunities Act (FSIA) made it extremely difficult to sue other countries or their government-owned entities in US courts, but the new Holocaust Rail Justice Act would make such suits possible. It would also allow non-US citizens who survived the Holocaust to sue European railway companies in American courts.”

      • American
        American on July 31, 2012, 11:31 am

        If Schumer comes up with any more living Jews eligible to sue everyone pretty soon only a hand full of Jews will have died in the holocaust…….survivors keep multiplying every year.

      • American
        American on July 31, 2012, 11:49 am

        The Mossad is highly over with everything else the zios try to make portray themselves as bigger than life.
        Giraldi explains the purpose of the book and also says what I said a while ago …that the MEK is the one operating inside Iran and responsible for the assassinations.
        It couldn’t have been more obvious when the DC zios started supporting the MEK years ago what they were going to use them for.

        Mossad Pulp Fiction
        A new book exaggerates Israel’s Iran ops.

        By Philip Giraldi • July 19, 2012

        A recent book, Spies Against Armageddon: Inside Israel’s Secret Wars, appears to be just such a narrative, mixing the certainly true with the plausible and then with the certainly false to create a disinformation package designed to woo the reader into thinking that the Israeli intelligence service is invincible’

    • Danaa
      Danaa on July 30, 2012, 2:26 pm

      Sean, I think the critics should worry because the Israeli “Grand Plan” has no intention of leaving “loose ends”. But how will such critics be dealt with exactly? blackmail and pressure don’t work with many of them, threatening them with job/prestige loss is a lot harder when it is the free-for-all internet that forms their base. The best critics also have mighty thick skin and know how to deflect, parre and/or duck when needed, charge when necessary (and who is brave enough to tackle Greenwald? Thomas Friedman, after Glenn’s last masterful takedown, could barely as much as whimper). There is a cadre of people, many of the most august critics of Israel and/or American empire over-reach, who are above reproach in their private/public lives. They know better than to accept under=handed piles of cash delivered just-in-time, and have built enough of a reputation/base that they can be financially liquid – enough to continue.

      So what’s a good malfeasant operator to do when there’s character in the way?

      So here’s one for you Sean, my fellow intrepid detective of dastardly machinations of the ill-inclined: Greenwald’s move to the Guardian of America. Why do I have a sinking feeling about that? do you share the apprehension?

      I have no doubt The Guardian offered Greenwald all he says it did. I am also quite sure he will get all the editorial freedom – and leg room he requires – at first. But it’s also where ‘they’ can watch him – something ‘they’ can do more easily in a perch where help – in research, in edits, in comment policing – are easy to affect. Much easier than at that runs a more open -ended operation. And then, at some point in the future, the noose will start tightening – imperceptibly at first, then as it gets tight enough to be noticed and for Glen to yelp, it’ll be too late for him to make certain decisions, and run for his life, because by then he’ll be tied down – like Gulliver – by a million golden threads.

      Is GG, the smartest of them all, not smart enough to know that power never sleeps, that it adapts, that it’s multi-dimensional transformer? well, I am sure he sees through it all as well as I, a humbler – and far lazier – observer. But there’s the rub: one must have true humility of spirit to really see and process just how ruthless the other side is capable of, and of how very difficult it is for the more ordinary human to resist. Those who have greatness of spirit and courage in droves sometimes (oftentimes – cf. history) are felled by their very own grandness. Having themselves risen above the swamps of subservience by confronting and to some extent conquering their own neediness – at least in some areas – (sometimes, as Phil does – by reveling in it) – they fail to appreciate that attributing said courage and grandness of spirit to others – to too many others – is their own greatest achilles heel.

      There, I just summarized the essence of the Tragic Hero – an illustrious theme in human history.

      PS Sean, grandiosity aside (my own semi-fatal flaw), I’d appreciate your thoughts on the matter of GG leaving Salon.

      • seanmcbride
        seanmcbride on July 30, 2012, 7:00 pm


        Our minds tend to travel in the same grooves — I’ve also been wondering what the real story might be behind Glenn Greenwald’s move from to the Guardian — I suspect there is a real story behind the public story, but I don’t know what it is.

        I worry about the well-being of first-order thought and opinion leaders who are effective critics of Israel because I see such a regular outpouring of fanatical and violent hatred by pro-Israel militants against them. These overexcited zealots don’t play by the same rules as the rest of us. They don’t care about winning intellectual debates or policy arguments. In the words of hophmi, they just want anyone who disagrees with them to “shut the fuck up,” by any means necessary.

        I just noticed that Yigal Amir’s brother recently referred to the “elimination” of Yitzhak Rabin, without a hint of remorse — apparently in his mind it was a job well done — shutting Rabin the f*ck up for all time. There are many pro-Israel fanatics out there — some of them at the highest levels of power in the Israeli government — who it is safe to say are extremely dangerous. Some of them coordinate their activities globally, including in the United States and Europe. Anything nasty you can imagine in the way of black ops, they’ve probably done it, going well beyond blackmail, blacklisting, etc. This is why the Arafat polonium story struck such a nerve around the world.

      • MRW
        MRW on July 30, 2012, 7:01 pm


        Thomas Friedman, after Glenn’s last masterful takedown. It was breathtaking. So is the Politico one.

        But I don’t share your apprehension. Greenwald has the good fortune of being in Rio. All that distance has an upside. No matter what, no matter how connected he is, he still sees America from a distance, which is his strength.

        He’ll hear soon enough if his commenters are being trifled with. He has other sites where he blogs. And Twitter. I’m sure he can pull out of The Guardian with a rapier-whipped criticism, and I doubt Salon would refuse to take him back.

        GG is getting even more stoked lately taking on the lazy immorality the populace here exhibits with its ‘I really don’t know what one person like me can do’ attitude. His paring of Politico today (or was it yesterday) was divine. Reading GG is like having a good bowel movement; you know something is still working.

        EDIT: What i like about his Guardian gig is that Brits, Canadians, and English-speaking Europeans will get exposed to him in ways they never were with Salon.

      • Danaa
        Danaa on July 30, 2012, 8:26 pm

        Thanks Sean. Indeed that’s where I come from – those who don’t play by the rules have a built-in advantage over the rest of us.

        And MRW, I sure hope you are right. But you know me…always looking for the boogey-man in the corner and tricks not yet imagined.

        Also I agree about the Politico take-down – tastes like fresh butter on a warm French home-made toast – just right.

      • American
        American on July 31, 2012, 10:09 am

        @ MRW

        I agree.
        GG can give Europeans a first hand look at what’s happened to America thru the Guardian. It’s a bigger and more international perch than Salon.
        Maybe he thinks the US is a lost cause re US politics and the zionist.
        I once said that the ways things work now you need to move to some other country and lobby their gov and population against the US and the zionist policy from there.

      • MRW
        MRW on July 31, 2012, 5:17 pm

        American and Danaa,

        And the Guardian IS IN PAPER FORM as well. It sticks around dentists’ offices, cottages, cafes, on tables to greet boredom, in the back of airplane seats on multi-leg trips; it has a longevity that online venues don’t.

        By writing ‘out of Washington’ he doesn’t face the European laws that prevent certain topics from being discussed. But mostly, and this is why I like him, he has a moral core.

    • anonymouscomments
      anonymouscomments on July 30, 2012, 5:53 pm

      not the mentality of ruthless gangsters- they are ruthless gangsters.

      this is not true only after the influx of russian gangster types, like lieberman.

      it was true from the beginning, with the right wing fascist zionists, who even attacked jews for organizing labor, or protesting their acts of terror.


    • Carowhat
      Carowhat on July 31, 2012, 12:13 am

      “Do high profile critics of Israel like Phil Weiss, Glenn Greenwald, Stephen Walt, Roger Waters and Richard Falk need to worry?”

      I wonder if Phil would like to comment on this. Does he ever get threats, vandalism, break-ins or promises to harm his family or pets–other than, of course, from members of the commentariat?

      Has he any indication that he’s being watched by our government, Israel’s, the Mossad?

  5. Bumblebye
    Bumblebye on July 30, 2012, 12:21 pm

    Richard Silverstein has a piece from Saturday about Israel betraying CIA secrets.
    Having carefully cultivated a senior scientist in the Syrian chemical weapons program, this info was shared with Israel as a result of the greater co-operation, only to be smugly revealed by Israel. The scientist ‘disappeared’.
    Israel is nobody’s friend and nobody’s ally.

  6. Nevada Ned
    Nevada Ned on July 30, 2012, 12:33 pm

    This is why I personally doubt that Pollard will be pardoned by Obama: too much opposition within the US spook community.

    • Carowhat
      Carowhat on July 31, 2012, 12:15 am

      Yes, but they’re not running for re-election. People who are tend to be much more responsive to political (or financial) arguments.

  7. on July 30, 2012, 1:40 pm

    Woodrow Wilson, in his book entitled The New Freedom (1913)

    “Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men’s views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in the U.S., in the field of commerce and manufacturing, are afraid of somebody, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it.”

    Rabbi Stephen Wise, in his Autobiography “Challenging Years”, page 161
    “an immensely influential hidden power had chosen Wilson as a major pawn in their political game”

    • Carowhat
      Carowhat on July 31, 2012, 12:20 am

      So who did Wise surmise it was?

    • AllenBee
      AllenBee on July 31, 2012, 2:28 am

      Rabbi Stephen Wise would know — he represented that power.

      • on July 31, 2012, 7:01 pm

        “Rabbi Stephen Wise would know — he represented that power.”

        Exactly. Theodore Roosevelt (Rosenfeld?) was coaxed out of retirement to form the Bull Moose Party, to split the Republican ticket.

        Wilson won by a nose.

        I now suspect Ross Perot was encouraged and given free and heavy media coverage to split the Republican ticket and take out GHWB, he of the limited Settlement expansion anti-Semitism.

        This is a book by Rabbi Wise called “The Great Betrayal” about those evil Brits.

        On page 9 or so, he says that the Balfour Declaration was written over a two year period by the governments of England, the US, and the Soviets, to appease the Zionists and get their support for the World War.

      • Citizen
        Citizen on August 1, 2012, 6:12 pm

        @ Charles Barwin,

        It appears the actual author of the Balfour Declaration was a Jew, and that the main British motivation for it was as a quid pro quo for Chaim Weizmann giving Britain his method of developing a synthetic acetone, intended to be used in the manufacture of cordite, which was the explosive used to propel shells and bullets- both vital to the allied war effort. The problem, at the time, was that most of the sources of acetone were to be found only in German-occupied Africa and a synthetic acetone was at least as valuable at the time as gold bullion. In short, it gave Britain a chance to win the war.

        After the agreement between Lord Rothschild (representing the Zionists) and Balfour on the wording of the document, the British Cabinet sought American support for the declaration. Wilson was reluctant to support the declaration for fear of angering the Ottoman leaders: the United States was not at war with Turkey, only with Turkey’s allies. When international Zionist leaders learned of Wilson’s reluctance, they enlisted the help of SCOTUS Justice Louis Brandeis, an avowed Zionist and close friend of the president. Brandeis mobilized the American Zionist community to put pressure on Wilson. Within two weeks, Wilson caved, and supported the declaration.
        Following the end of WW1, the US supported the award of the mandate for Palestine to Britain. An American government commission created by Wilson advised the president to discourage Britain from executing its plans to establish a Jewish homeland because the plans did not fully consider the rights and aspirations of the majority Arab population. Wilson, who had fallen ill and had all but withdrawn from the talks that determined the future of the region, ignored the report. Great Britain took over as the mandatory power in Palestine.
        Warren Harding took office in 1921. There was some disagreement in the American government over continued support for the commitment to the establishment of a Jewish national homeland as called for in the Balfour Declaration. Harding himself put that internal debate to rest by stating, “It is impossible for one who has studied at all the services of the Hebrew people to avoid the faith that they will…be restored to their historic national home….”  Months later he wrote, “I am very glad to express my approval and hearty sympathy for the effort of the Palestine National Fund in behalf of the restoration of Palestine as a homeland for the Jewish people.” 
        In June 1922, the U.S. Congress passed Joint Resolution 322: “That the United States of America favors the establishment of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of Christian and all other non-Jewish communities in Palestine, and that the holy places and religious buildings and sites in Palestine be adequately protected.” Harding signed the resolution that September.
        Two years later, with Coolidge as POTUS, the US formally signed a treaty with Britain recognizing its mandate over Palestine. Since the Balfour Declaration was part of the British mandate, the US again formally endorsed the idea of Jewish homeland.
        And we all know how the Zionists put the squeeze on Truman, threatening they’d put their piles of Zionist dollars in Dewey’s coffers if Truman didn’t sign the letter of recognition of the new self-declared state of Israel–Truman signed 11 minutes after Israel was declared a state, giving the finger so to speak to his entire State Dept and Diplomatic Corps. Truman was not going to do it, and in fact had decided he did not want to open his door to the Zionists again, but his old business pal buddy, a Jew, convinced him to let the Zionists in as a favor to his old buddy.
        Seems this story of inside Zionist pressure, and US presidents caving into it never ends, eh? No wonder Ron Paul scares the Israel Firsters most of all.

  8. LanceThruster
    LanceThruster on July 30, 2012, 2:05 pm

    The CIA considers Israel its No. 1 counterintelligence threat

    But the attack on the USS Liberty was an “accident.”


    • wondering jew
      wondering jew on July 30, 2012, 5:36 pm

      LanceThruster- How high up in the Israeli command structure did the decision to attack the USS Liberty go? Was Levi Eshkol involved in the decision? Moshe Dayan? Yitzhak Rabin? Who made the decision? Just curious if you or others have a theory on who made the decision.

      • MRW
        MRW on July 30, 2012, 6:40 pm

        Read Admiral Thomas Moorer’s report. Do your own homework instead of assigning your ignorance for the board to resolve.

      • Merk
        Merk on July 30, 2012, 9:05 pm

        “Pay Attention: The ship is identified as Egyptian, you can go home now”

      • Woody Tanaka
        Woody Tanaka on July 31, 2012, 7:56 am

        “Pay Attention: The ship is identified as Egyptian, you can go home now”

        LMAO. Yeah, because if israel was purposfully attacking a ship of it’s “friend,” the US, that it would say so on communication channels that it knew that the US could overhear…

      • Keith
        Keith on July 30, 2012, 7:26 pm

        YONAH FREDMAN- Moshe Dayan. My best guess is that he didn’t want it snooping for a variety of reasons and sent a back channel ultimatum. The Joint Chiefs responded by ordering the Liberty away, however, the directive wasn’t implemented by Admiral McCain. Dayan ordered the attack knowing full well that the US would know who the attackers were insofar as Israel was the only entity in the area capable of such an attack. He assumed, correctly, that US strategic interests would render the crew disposable. Remember, the 1967 war effectively destroyed Nasser and pan Arabism, a huge victory for the US and defeat for the USSR.

        “Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother.” (Moshe Dayan)

      • Merk
        Merk on July 30, 2012, 9:05 pm

        any proof of that Keith? I just proved above that they thought it was Egyptian.

      • American
        American on July 31, 2012, 10:23 am

        No they didn’t think it was Egyptian.

        October 03, 2007

        What I know about the USS Liberty

        Jim Ennes, who was a watch standing officer on the USS Liberty asked me for a statement as to what I knew of the transcripts of Israeil conversations and the ship. This is what I sent him. I was quoted about this in the Chicago Tribune and Baltimore Sun on Monday. pl


        “Dear Jim

        I was a student in the Military Intelligence Officer Advanced Course at Ft. Holabird, Maryland (Baltimore) in 1967-1968. The course lasted about ten months. We students were required to take several electives from a group offered and I took a course in Cryptology. This was taught by people from the NSA School at nearby Ft. Meade. This course was taught in the winter or early spring of 1967-1968. There were several sub-courses, one of which had to do with voice intercepts. In the course of this, the instructor introduced a booklet produced at Ft. Meade as material for the course. It contained various course materials. Among them were transcripts of the translated intercepts of radio conversations between the Israeli strike commander and his base before and during the attacks on USS Liberty. The instructor, a retired cryptologic warrant officer or NCO identified the transcript as being of the Liberty incident. It was also so marked in the booklet.

        In the transcript, the flight leader spoke to his base to report that he had the ship in view, that it was the same ship that he had been briefed on and that it was clearly marked with the US flag. I think he said that the ship was displaying the US flag on an upper deck, but my memory of that might be inexact. He asked for confirmation of his orders to attack the ship and seemed reluctant (understandably) to attack the ship. He asked more than once and was told to carry out his orders and attack the ship.

        There was some further discussion of damage to the ship.

        That is all I remember.


        W. Patrick Lang
        Colonel (Ret.) US Army”

      • American
        American on July 31, 2012, 11:07 am

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      • American
        American on July 31, 2012, 11:19 am

        Merk says:
        July 30, 2012 at 9:05 pm

        “Pay Attention: The ship is identified as Egyptian, you can go home now”

        link to

        link to

        Listen stupid, you need to be smarter if you’re going to play here. Your links prove nothing. The first is the NSA telling Cristol he’s not going to get the ‘real’ classified documents and the second one is what the Israelis ‘said’ is on their transmission because they knew the NSA was listening….the Liberty was there for intercepting transmissions for the NSA…and we all know the Israelis lie, always have and always will.

      • LanceThruster
        LanceThruster on July 31, 2012, 2:25 pm

        I just proved above that they thought it was Egyptian.

        I just proved above that they thought they could convince everyone else of the lie that they thought it was Egyptian.


      • MRW
        MRW on July 31, 2012, 5:32 pm

        Alan Hart says what Keith says, that it was Dayan but there’s more, like why Dayan was doing it–he was attacking some country–and I can’t remember that part. Search Alan Hart and Liberty. He gave a speech about it. He was there.

        here’s the link:

      • ColinWright
        ColinWright on August 1, 2012, 3:26 am

        The theory the BBC offers is that Israel wanted to embroil the US in war with Egypt — or at least put her in a mood where she would be disinclined to object to Israeli territorial acquisitions.

        This fine plan fell apart when the Israeli air force and navy proved incapable of sinking a converted freighter before it could broadcast a signal that it was under attack. Eventually, so many people were picking up the signal that the attack had to be called off. Aside from everything else, not the IDF’s finest hour.

        The only real question is how complicit the US was in the attack and its aftermath. Obviously, we wanted to hush it up — but were we in on it all along?

      • seanmcbride
        seanmcbride on August 1, 2012, 9:57 am


        Think about this: if the Israeli government and the Israel lobby were powerful enough in 1967 to cover up a bungled and murderous false attack on the NSA (National Security Agency), and exert dominating control over the White House, the Pentagon, the Congress and the mainstream media, imagine how much more powerful in American politics they must be 45 years later.

        Why, they may even be able to lead around the Republican candidate for president like a trained circus money and induce him to make stupid and self-destructive remarks that he finds impossible to walk back. (Yes, I am talking about Mitt Romney, who is totally under the thumb of multibillionaire Sheldon Adelson and a cabal of pro-Israel militants and neoconservatives like Dan Senor.)

        They might also be able to obstruct any honest investigation into 9/11 and the 9/11 anthrax attacks — for reasons that are still not entirely clear. What is being covered up?

      • annie
        annie on August 1, 2012, 10:00 am

        speaking of trained monkeys, am i the only person who thinks so many of these latest photos of romney in israel look defeated, exceptionally weak and flimsy? forward shoulders and sunk neck?

      • seanmcbride
        seanmcbride on August 1, 2012, 10:17 am

        Has anyone noticed that there seems to be strange disconnect between Mitt Romney’s eyes and his facial expressions? He reminds one a bit of George Clooney peering through his Batman mask.

        In general, everything about Mitt Romney comes across as fake: hair, facial expressions, demeanor, voice, words, etc. He is off-center, off-kilter and politically tone deaf. He does a very poor and unconvincing impersonation of Ronald Reagan (tilted head, benevolent grin, etc.). He is perpetually walking back his strange remarks.

        Far from being a moderate in the old school Republican tradition, he seems to be a neoconservative extremist with strange religious cult ideas about Israel swimming around in his head — a wealthy and Ivy League version of John Hagee — except Mormon Zionists may be even flakier than Christian Zionists.

        Never before in American history has the power of the Israel lobby been exposed to view before the entire world so blatantly — thanks to Sheldon Adelson and Mitt Romney’s Likud Zionist handlers and string-pullers.

        Barack Obama, of course, has to deal with his own Sheldon Adelsons in the Democratic Party — Haim Saban, Ronald Perelman, etc. — a dozen or so “liberal Zionist” billionaires who are exclusively preoccupied with the interests of Israel.

        “Liberal Zionist” and “Likud Zionist” are basically synonyms — elements of a shell game or good cop/bad cop routine.

      • MHughes976
        MHughes976 on August 1, 2012, 11:21 am

        Someone once said that Romney looks like a statue to himself. Perhaps he is beginning to resemble a broken statue recently dug up by a Holy Land bulldozer.

      • LanceThruster
        LanceThruster on July 31, 2012, 12:25 am

        Well, I know I believe Israeli pilot Evan Toni (see: )

        More proof has recently come to light from the Israeli side. A few years after Attack on the Liberty was originally published, Ennes got a call from Evan Toni, an Israeli pilot. Toni told Ennes that he had just read his book and wanted to tell him his story. Toni said that he was the pilot in the first Israeli Mirage fighter to reach the Liberty. He immediately recognized the ship to be a US Navy vessel. He radioed Israeli air command with this information and asked for instructions. Toni said he was ordered to “attack.” He refused and flew back to the air base at Ashdod. When he arrived he was summarily arrested for disobeying orders.

        It also mentions this about who ordered it (as far as I’m concerned, the cover-up went right to the top – it had to).

        A particularly damning report compiled by a CIA informant suggests that Israeli Defense minister Moshe Dayan personally ordered the attack and wanted it to proceed until the Liberty was sunk and all on board killed. A heavily redacted version of the report was released in 1977. It reads in part:

        “[The source] said that Dayan personally ordered the attack on the ship and that one of his generals adamantly opposed the action and said, ‘This is pure murder.’ One of the admirals who was present also disapproved of the action, and it was he who ordered it stopped and not Dayan.”

        This amazing document generated little attention from the press and Dayan was never publicly questioned about his role in the attack.

        Yonah – your posturing prompts me to give you the same response MoH recipient Capt. MacGonagle gave the Israelis when asked if he needed help (look it up).

      • LanceThruster
        LanceThruster on July 31, 2012, 10:56 am

        yonah – just curious if you are GIYUS or Megaphone?

      • wondering jew
        wondering jew on July 31, 2012, 11:58 am

        LanceThruster– I never heard of either of those two groups.

        Whereas testimony about the weather conditions and the happenings in close proximity to the USS Liberty are not widely disputed, I think that theories regarding the cause of the attack are based upon conjecture.

        The words that don’t belong in your reports are : evidence, proof and facts, the words that do belong are: rumor, anonymous and theories.

        Thank you for the quotes from the anonymous sources re: Dayan and his underling general. I found them interesting.

      • LanceThruster
        LanceThruster on July 31, 2012, 12:40 pm

        Whereas testimony about the weather conditions and the happenings in close proximity to the USS Liberty are not widely disputed

        So you admit the Israelis committed their war crimes under clear skies?

      • LanceThruster
        LanceThruster on July 31, 2012, 12:46 pm

        Thank you for the quotes from the anonymous sources re: Dayan and his underling general. I found them interesting.

        Hell, Mossad’s been creating “quotes” out of thin air for decades.

        So you’re an “expert” on the USS Liberty (my acquaintance was an actual survivor of the attack and wrote a book on it), but have no idea whatsoever about GIYUS or Megaphone.

        Verrrry interesting…

      • Citizen
        Citizen on July 31, 2012, 1:40 pm

        @ yonah fredman,
        I think for Americans here on this thread, they should be concerned that the US Congress never investigated the USS Liberty thoroughly as it had every other incident in US history even remotely similar. In view of what was lost, this itself is a very telling fact. And, no matter how many times the issue is brought up to the US Congress, it’s always ignored, both by nearly all of Congress and the MSM. This should be stunning. Survivors of the US Liberty were never given medals until decades later, and it was done at a place not customary and in a veiled manner. Crew survivors still live. Nobody really influential in the US government really gives a crap.

      • Rusty Pipes
        Rusty Pipes on July 31, 2012, 2:27 pm

        GIYUS/Megaphone are software/talking points for volunteers and amateurs. I think Mondoweiss rates a higher level of attention than volunteers. It should at least be getting some 18-year-olds with excellent English skills who are interested in alternative service in combatting the existential threat of delegitimization (exposing inconvenient facts) against their country.

      • LanceThruster
        LanceThruster on July 31, 2012, 5:14 pm

        Didn’t Donald Rumsfeld say you go to cyber-war with the web rapid response team you have, not the one you want?

      • lysias
        lysias on August 1, 2012, 10:18 am

        During the attack, the Israelis jammed U.S. Navy radio frequencies (as well as the International Distress frequency, jamming which is a war crime). I don’t think the claim that they thought the ship was Egyptian bears scrutiny.

      • LanceThruster
        LanceThruster on August 1, 2012, 1:50 pm

        Thank you for that.

      • Rusty Pipes
        Rusty Pipes on August 1, 2012, 2:19 pm

        I’m sure there are plenty of 18-year-olds willing to perform alternate service in cyber-war. Their English skills may not be anywhere near excellent. For example, some of them may not know how to write a standard “quotation” (much less how to write a Mondo-Witty ‘quotation’).

  9. Miura
    Miura on July 30, 2012, 2:27 pm

    Senior American and British government officials were being harassed by Zionist agents in the late-40s. A man after whom an aircraft carrier is named was driven to distraction and committed suicide after his name was dragged through the mud for being too independent-minded:

    Appalled by the intensity and implied threats over the partition question, Forrestal appealed to Truman in two separate cabinet meetings not to base his decision on partition, whatever the outcome, on the basis of political pressure. In his only known public comment on the issue, Forrestal stated to J. Howard McGrath, Senator from Rhode Island:

    “…no group in this country should be permitted to influence our policy to the point it could endanger our national security.”

    Forrestal’s statement soon earned him the active enmity of some congressmen and supporters of Israel.

    • Ellen
      Ellen on July 30, 2012, 7:03 pm

      There were a number of “suicides” within the Government, especially in the State Department, and in government facilities during the Truman administration. Forrestal, Secretary of Defense at the time, is the most well known, and still-mysterious death.

      What characterizes others is the pattern, just as Like Forrestal’s, that these men were deeply troubled by Truman’s policy of dividing Palestine and it’s people, were branded with psychiatric illnesses such as depression or over work.

      A very good researcher might be able to add the background of that phenomena to this:

      • biorabbi
        biorabbi on July 30, 2012, 10:42 pm

        Ellen, is Israel driving anti-zionists to madness(literally)during the Truman administration. As a Jewish Psychiatrist and Neurologist, I don’t think I’ve ever intentionally drivin one to suicide. I guess I could argue your points, but what would be the point? I might postulate that believing that Mossad Psychiatric Corps driving US State Department officials to madness and suicide suggests one might be in need of some ‘couch time’ yourself; just saying=)

      • Ellen
        Ellen on July 31, 2012, 10:12 am


        You are putting words into my mouth and completely and intentionally distorting what I said in an effort to discredit and make ridiculous by projecting absurdities like “that Mossad Psychiatric Corps driving US State Department officials to madness and suicide …”

        I never said “Israel driving anti-zionists to madness(literally)during the Truman administration.” Only you said that.

        All governments/institutions work to protect their perceived interests and often that means doing terrible things in the self interest of a state or institution. Just the way the world works.

        I said that these men such as Forrestal — who were vocal about the manner and partition of the Palestinian region — had deaths attributed to suicide. And that they, as persons, were also characterized as depressed or suffering psychiatric illness.

        That is also what we were told when John Montgomery of the State Department died with a bullet to his head on Christmas eve, 1958 in Kansas while waiting for the family at a National guard facility. He never had a gun in his life. Was not a depressed person. Had a life ahead and three small children and a baby. Was vocal after the war while at the Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Affairs. His thesis asserted that the Truman policy concerning the ME was not in the longer term US interest. When at State he maintained that displacement of people to create an Israeli state was counter to US policy and ideals and would ultimately undermining US interests. You can look it up.

        just sayin’

      • Citizen
        Citizen on July 31, 2012, 1:58 pm

        @ biorabbi
        Interesting nick. How does a Jewish psychiatrist and neurologist differ from a Gentile one, and why do you put your self-identify in initial caps? And, what is the “Mossad Psychiatric Corps”?

      • LanceThruster
        LanceThruster on July 31, 2012, 11:23 am

        The Forrestal history is shameful and clouded with intrigue.

        He was a good man targeted by those who found him troublesome.

  10. pjdude
    pjdude on July 30, 2012, 6:01 pm

    not really surprising. I have read that us intelligence ranks the 3 greatest threats to be russia china and Israel.

  11. atime forpeace
    atime forpeace on July 30, 2012, 6:02 pm

    with friends like israel who needs enemies, if aipac isn’t bad enough we have our friends in israeli intel to trust.

  12. Citizen
    Citizen on July 31, 2012, 2:09 pm

    As in great fun since nothing much is at stake here, I submit the following so you get a taste beyond MW:

    The Blaze addresses the same AP article, and here’s a few comments from that web site:

    A. (A few anti-Israel comments:)

    1. Around 2004 or 2005, the CIA fired two female officers for having unreported contact with Israelis. One of the women acknowledged during a polygraph exam that she had been in a relationship with an Israeli who worked in the Foreign Ministry, a former U.S. official said. The CIA learned the Israeli introduced the woman to his “uncle.” That person worked for Shin Bet.

    2. Jonathan Pollard, who worked for the Navy as a civilian intelligence analyst was convicted of spying for Israel in 1987 when the Friends on Friends agreement was in effect.

    3, A few years ago two Israeli agents were caught and convicted of stealing the identities of dead NZ children in order to create false passports. The Israeli government, through Mossad, knew about and approved this operation. It was a clear violation of our law and our international relationship.

    4. You morons…..what does Israel have to do for you meatheads to understand that they are the worst of our enemies? USS Libety? Lavon affair? Jonathan Pollard? (who Netanyahu wants released), Stephen Rosen etc Numerous reports from the pentagon have told us Israel‘s widespread subvertive activitiies against us and the best we can do is ’i trust Israel no matter what’…‘Obama is the problem’ etc etc These reports were way before Obama became president. You people are nothing but products of over half a century of zionist brainwashing. Israel spies on us when democrats are presidents and when republicans are president. They care about nobody but themselves and will skip over our corpses to preserve themselves. The only use Israel has for America is to help them get what they want….kinda like a parasite. They masquerade as the only ‘democracy’ in the middle east but in reality are just as terrorist as the worst of them. They torture, they assassinate they are just as prejudiced as those mooooslims if not more. We have been warring at the behest of zionists since world war We have lost hundreds of thousands of lives fighting zionist wars that we have no business fighting and now we are clamoring for another war with Iran. Its time to cease and desist our current relationship with Israel.

    B. (A few Pro-Israel comments:)

    1. 100% back Israel,after what the filthy world did to the Jewish people in the Holocaust,who would trust anyone,One Israel does Trust is +GOD

    2. This is clearly an attempt by the Muslim-Brotherhood-infiltraded White House to present Israel as “an evil entity”. The “officials” who passed these smears to the AP are more than certainly Muslim Obama operatives like Huma Abedin. They want to instill hate in the public opinion. The current Administration is using the same antisemitic narrative than the Third Reich and Iran’s regime.

    3. Israel should be part of Six Eyes rather than just five.

    4. I don’t really blame the Israelis. Their enemies are legion and their stated policy is to “wipe Israel from the map”, and their friends, I’m sorry to say, could justifiably be characterised as “potentially unreliable”.

    5. They are in a constant battle for their very survival, as the relentless attacks attest, and they have bent over backwards to find a diplomatic solution. Their enemies remain unmoved, and their friends have occasionally let them down. The Obama administration has been downright intransigent.

    6. At the end of the day, they can only truly rely on themselves, and they know it.

    7. The only reason that the United States’ relationship with Israel is “complicated” is because obama and his cabal are sworn enemies of Israel. When obama is removed from power, our relationship with Israel will be restored to its proper state.

    That suggests the trend of comments at The Blaze. If you want to read them all:

  13. Kathleen
    Kathleen on August 3, 2012, 12:24 pm

    Many former CIA and some present CIA analyst and officers have been saying that Israel Israel’s behavior and their spying has been a national security threat for decades. Ray McGovern, Bill and Kathleeen Christison, Micheal Scheuer etc.

    Some of the best articles about this threat.

    Bill and Kathleen Christison “A Rose by another Name”
    “The Men from Jinsa and CSP” by Jason Vest in the Nation

    Lt Col Karen Kwiatowski “The New Pentagon Papers”

    “Serving Two Flags” Stephen Green

    Fox News reporter Carl Camerons’ four part report on Israeli spying and Israeli communication systems that have access to 95% of US phone calls is a must watch. was one of the best reports. Came out soon after 9/11.

  14. Kathleen
    Kathleen on August 3, 2012, 12:31 pm

    Just read article. This is going to put a dent in the push for Pollards release. To think that Obama and Holder dismissed the 9 time delayed Aipac Espionage trial. So much for their bull shit claims “no one is above the law”

  15. Citizen
    Citizen on August 4, 2012, 9:20 am

    @ Kathleen

    Bibi gave Mitt a letter in Israel, demanding Pollard’s release. It’s in the Jewish papers, but not America’s. I’m still trying to digest the judicial reasoning behind the dismissal of the AIPAC spy case–because it raised “a political question.” I understand the legal usage of that legal device to avoid judicial interference in the domain of the other two branches of government, but not in the way this case was dismissed, that is, if memory serves, because production of evidence needed by the defense would bring kleig light on top-classified documents. There are legal ways around that objection without dismissing the case for that reason.

    an appeals court ruling that allowed the defense to use “national defense information” at trial. A lower-court judge also said prosecutors must show that the two men knew that the information they allegedly disclosed would harm the United States or help a foreign government — a high burden for prosecutors.

    The prosecution spoke person said they reversed course because of the diminished likelihood the government will prevail at trial, and the inevitable disclosure of classified information that would occur.

    Many in the intelligence community said the government would not prevail at trial.

    My guess is Obama sided with AIPAC for political reasons and his lackey carried out this wrong.

    • Citizen
      Citizen on August 4, 2012, 9:35 am

      Also, at the very highest level of our government, including any POTUS, there is no will at all to have revealed by top classified documentation how our top leaders kowtow to Israel, no matter the real US security concerns at issue. The handling of the AIPAC spy case has the same spirit as the handling of the USS Liberty incident.
      America is fatally compromised at the very top, with no end in sight of this fundamental corruption of a sovereign nation by a 5th column within it.

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