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1375575789 fc barcelona visit dora stadium in palestine 2342098Mohammed Assaf performs at the stadium of Dora in the West Bank town of Hebron             August 3, 2013.(photo: Mahmoud Illean/Demotix)

(Update: Mohammed Assaf’s political statement below)

As Israel announces 1,200 new housing units over the Green Line, the second announcement of settlement expansion within one week, the Jerusalem Post says that Israel P.M. Netanyahu complained to Secretary of State John Kerry, Palestinian incitement undermines peace:

He also included a link to a YouTube video that depicts the popular winner of Arab Idol Muhammad Assaf singing a song at the Barcelona soccer game in Hebron that spoke longingly of Israeli cities within the pre-1967 lines as belonging to Palestine.

Assaf’s performance at Dora stadium on August 3rd included Palestinian national songs Ali Keffiyeh and Ya Tir Ya Tair/Oh you bird going home. And what are those incitement lyrics? Some of them:

Palestine is my beautiful country

Go to Safad and Tiberias
Send my love to Acre and Haifa

Don’t forget the Arab Castle, Nazareth
Tell Bissan [Galilee city], its people are coming back

Mawwal:

Oh Jerusalem, my tears are scattered
My people is, around the world, scattered

You can read more ‘incitement’ lyrics (‘Oh Jerusalem my tears are scattered’) here and here.

Update: Mohammed Assaf spoke of peace, independence, freedom and unity after his performance at Dora stadium last week. He also stated “I have no trust in Israel at the moment”.  Amazing, Mohammed Assaf is truly the gift that keeps on giving. (Thanks to kamanja in comments)

Nabila Ramdani reporting in the GuardianArab pop star adds his voice to the calls for a peace deal for Palestine.

“I have a great responsibility to my people,” said Assaf, after performing at a new stadium near Hebron in the West Bank to thousands of ecstatic fans. Nationalist songs such as Ya Tair al-Tayer (Oh Bird in Flight) provided solace to those yearning for full Palestinian independence, but Assaf is convinced that real change is possible.

“I am confident that I will see a free Palestine in my lifetime,” he said. “I sing about popular themes but they centre on the hopes of my own people – dreams of independence for the West Bank, for Jerusalem and for Gaza. We’ve been under Israeli occupation for decades.”

………

“There are many ways to make a difference in life, but my way is as an artist,” said Assaf, a graduate of Palestine University who has just become a UN youth ambassador. “I’ve always wanted to make my voice heard around the world, to sing about the occupation, about the security walls between communities, and about refugees. My first ambition is a cultural revolution through art. Palestinians don’t want war – they are tired of fighting.”

Assaf is, more specifically, calling for a return to Palestine’s 1967 borders, as well as articulating peace demands which include guaranteed security from attack, freedom of movement, an end to illegal Israeli settlements and the return of prisoners and refugees. “The subject of peace is massively complicated,” said Assaf. “The Palestinians want independence and freedom, just like everyone in the world. Thousands of us are professionals – teachers, doctors and lawyers. We all want our dignity and rights.”

……………

“These are the kind of issues I want to highlight,” he said, pointing to the harsh restrictions which govern ordinary life for some 1.7 million Palestinians in Gaza. Assaf is also concerned at the division between Abbas’s Fatah, which runs the West Bank, and Hamas, the Islamist movement that administers Gaza.

“Unity is the key – Hamas and Fatah should come to an agreement,” said Assaf. “It’s insane that we effectively have two governments at the same time as being colonised by Israel. It’s hugely frustrating for me, and for all Palestinians.”

Expressing scepticism about the short term, Assaf added: “To be honest I have no trust in Israel at the moment. If they give us our land and our rights back, I will sing in Israel, but they have to do something positive. It’s up to them. They have made no effort to dismantle their illegal settlements, for example – quite the opposite.”

(Previous Mohammed Assaf reports on Mondoweiss available here)

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  1. just
    just
    August 11, 2013, 2:38 pm

    Why is it that neither Netanyahu or our “leaders” care for the truth?

    Bless Assaf and the truth he tells. End Israeli Occupation, brutality, and criminality.

    (thank you Annie)

  2. Citizen
    Citizen
    August 11, 2013, 2:40 pm

    Good catch, Annie.
    Fits right in with my earlier post today under a different MW article:

    I repeat it here:

    Citizen says:
    August 11, 2013 at 11:39 am
    Update on Kerry’s peace process. The Israeli delegation and the Palestinian delegation are both peppering Kerry with tattle tale letters. The former says the Palestinians are teaching their kids hate in school while Jews are the biggest victims in world history, so, Mr Kerry, those Palestinians are not acting in good faith. The latter is saying, Mr Kerry, those Israeli Jews are expanding their illegal settlements, as they always do, thus showing their bad faith.
    http://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/category/uncategorized/

  3. seafoid
    seafoid
    August 11, 2013, 3:01 pm

    That would mean “next year in Jerusalem” became hate speech….

    What a ludicrous ideology

  4. ramzijaber
    ramzijaber
    August 11, 2013, 3:16 pm

    As I said here before: he hit me and he cried first, he hit me and he complained first!!

    What Nutnyahoo and Obama must realize is that colonilization and land theft are the mother of all incitements.

    • Philip Munger
      Philip Munger
      August 11, 2013, 3:37 pm

      When my wife taught 2nd grade, she often heard “He hit me back first!”

      • ramzijaber
        ramzijaber
        August 11, 2013, 4:37 pm

        ;-))

      • Egbert
        Egbert
        August 12, 2013, 4:03 am

        Ah – pre-emptive hitting. Now I see that pre-emptive war is just a scaled up version for the bigger bullies.

  5. Peter in SF
    Peter in SF
    August 11, 2013, 3:19 pm

    Man, those words are almost as incendiary as Hatikvah.

  6. BrianEsker
    BrianEsker
    August 11, 2013, 3:20 pm

    All this fuss about nothing. EVERYONE KNOWS that whatever happens in these negotiations, Israel is still keeping ALL of Jerusalem and the largest settlement blocks, which are where these 1000+ housing units are slated to go. It shouldn’t even be controversial.

    The only reason that this is in the news is because the Palestinian leaders DON’T want to end the conflict.

    • annie
      annie
      August 11, 2013, 3:31 pm

      All this fuss about nothing. ….The only reason that this is in the news is because the Palestinian leaders DON’T want to end the conflict.

      iow, you think israel’s hasbara campaign accusing palestinians of ‘incitement’ (flooding msm) at this juncture is a bunch of ‘fuss’? maybe we agree about something.

    • American
      American
      August 11, 2013, 3:39 pm

      BrianEsker says:
      August 11, 2013 at 3:20 pm

      Are you familiar with ‘famous last words”?

    • ivri
      ivri
      August 11, 2013, 3:58 pm

      “The Palestinian leaders don`t want to end the conflict”
      It`s true but also under change. The Palestinian leaders need the political (and otherwise) backing of the main Arab powers – without that they have no cards to play with- and while not that long ago any real acceptance of Israel was a clear no go in Arabia that may not be so anymore. The upheaval in the region, the much bigger focus on Iran as a threat, the Jordan connection, the new ties with the Egyptian military, the Hezbollah move into Syria and other critical matters are having a real effect. Israel, after 65 years is gradually becoming a “player” in the region – not the universal “outsider” – which is why the negotiations are taking place now. If the Arab leaders will want a deal, there will be one – linguistic acrobatics can do miracles in “bridging gaps” once the will is there (remember how Saigon was given up by the US with an impeccably styled “peace agreement”)

    • Tzombo
      Tzombo
      August 11, 2013, 4:03 pm

      Yeah, if Israel is keeping ALL of Jerusalem and the largest settlement blocks there will be no end to the conflict as there will be nothing left to build a viable state out of. A reservation or a tuisland maybe, but not a state. So nope, it is the Israelis who obviously don’t want to end this conflict. Which in the end will mean it is THEIR state that is not viable.

    • Donald
      Donald
      August 11, 2013, 7:11 pm

      “EVERYONE KNOWS that whatever happens in these negotiations, Israel is still keeping ALL of Jerusalem and the largest settlement blocks, ”

      Because nothing establishes the truth LIKE THE USE OF CAPITAL LETTERS. But thanks for telling us that the peace talks are meaningless and Israel will continue to take what it wants and make a 2SS that is even marginally acceptable to Palestinians utterly impossible.

      • Dutch
        Dutch
        August 11, 2013, 11:06 pm

        Everyone knows our man Brian is actually delivering a powerful pledge for the One State Solution. Go Brian: 1S1P1V.

    • ritzl
      ritzl
      August 11, 2013, 10:21 pm

      I have to agree with Mr. Esker. Everyone does know, which is why it is uncontroversial that there will not be a sovereign, viable Palestinian state. Everyone knows that too.

      The blindness that decades of uncontested hubris brings.

    • talknic
      talknic
      August 12, 2013, 7:26 pm

      BrianEsker“… shouldn’t even be controversial

      Breaking International Law shouldn’t even be controversial. Interesting theory.. Hitler would have loved you.

      “The only reason that this is in the news is because the Palestinian leaders DON’T want to end the conflict”

      Israel breaches International Law = the Palestinian leaders don’t want to end the conflict. Amazing what happens when things go thru the Ziofier.

  7. American
    American
    August 11, 2013, 3:35 pm

    Netanyahu’s mind can be best be described as a cheap quality ‘sadistic’ porn film.
    I bet he watches those snuff movies where people tear the wings off birds and kill kittens. He also probably tortures dogs in his back yard.
    Maybe we can sic PETA on him.

  8. just
    just
    August 11, 2013, 3:52 pm

    Brian– how can you stay so myopic and full of your own “fuss”?

    Israel is self destructing. Palestinians are owed peace and security and justice.

  9. HarryLaw
    HarryLaw
    August 11, 2013, 4:10 pm

    Erekat has complained about the new settlement building just authorized by Israel see http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Middle-East/2013/Aug-11/226948-new-israeli-settlements-undermine-talks-erekat.as I’m sorry Saeb, the Israelis have been open and honest about what they were going to do and will continue doing. It is you who is dishonest, it is your leadership who promised the Palestinians NO negotiations without a settlement freeze, no political views should be set in stone, but this is a fundamental prerequisite, set aside for the release of a few prisoners and vague financial promises. Pathetic.

  10. kamanja
    kamanja
    August 11, 2013, 4:21 pm

    Hmm. Bibi’d probably have a few words to say about this too if he wasn’t so busy recovering from his hernia op.

    “… Assaf is, more specifically, calling for a return to Palestine’s 1967 borders, as well as articulating peace demands which include guaranteed security from attack, freedom of movement, an end to illegal Israeli settlements and the return of prisoners and refugees. “The subject of peace is massively complicated,” said Assaf. “The Palestinians want independence and freedom, just like everyone in the world. Thousands of us are professionals – teachers, doctors and lawyers. We all want our dignity and rights.”

    Assaf’s principal message is that the Palestine question is being lost in the realpolitik speak of international negotiators such as Tony Blair. The former British prime minister, who is now the Middle East peace envoy for the Quartet of the UN, US, EU and Russia, has, like many others, lost touch with the human catastrophe on the ground, Assaf believes.

    A mass expression of what people want is Assaf’s preferred route to effective political change. He cites the ousting of dictators such as Zine al-Abidine Ben Ali in Tunisia and Hosni Mubarak in Egypt, who were ultimately deposed by popular movements after decades in power – exits that would have appeared inconceivable a few years ago.

    Last weekend Assaf strolled through Bethlehem with Barcelona footballers, who were also on a “peace tour”. Among them was Lionel Messi, perhaps the most popular player in the world, who posed happily for photographs with the singer, as did Mahmoud Abbas, president of the Palestinian National Authority.

    It was Abbas who, a few days later, successfully applied to the Israelis to allow Assaf unrestricted movement in and out of Gaza, along with members of his family. Assaf was allowed to move to the less volatile West Bank. The very fact that a potential global singing star needs permission from Israel to relocate to the West Bank is something that few of Assaf’s growing number of international fans would have known about.

    “These are the kind of issues I want to highlight,” he said, pointing to the harsh restrictions which govern ordinary life for some 1.7 million Palestinians in Gaza. Assaf is also concerned at the division between Abbas’s Fatah, which runs the West Bank, and Hamas, the Islamist movement that administers Gaza.

    “Unity is the key – Hamas and Fatah should come to an agreement,” said Assaf. “It’s insane that we effectively have two governments at the same time as being colonised by Israel. It’s hugely frustrating for me, and for all Palestinians.”…”
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/10/palestinian-pop-singer-mohammed-assaf

    • annie
      annie
      August 11, 2013, 4:32 pm

      omg kamanja , how did i miss that. i will have to update..thank you.

      [Edit..the post has been updated]

    • just
      just
      August 11, 2013, 6:13 pm

      kamanja- thank you!

    • Walid
      Walid
      August 13, 2013, 6:14 am

      “It was Abbas who, a few days later, successfully applied to the Israelis to allow Assaf unrestricted movement in and out of Gaza, along with members of his family.”

      Abbas making Assaf ambassador and his other generosities may be explained by the fact that Assaf’s father is openly partial to Fatah, which got him in hot water with Hamas. 5 years ago, Mohamed Assaf was arrested by Hamas on 3 occassions for having sung the praises of Fatah. For Hamas, “Arab Idol” was a blasphemous program. His move to the West Bank was a smart one for his career and for that of Abbas.

      http://www.france24.com/fr/20130624-arab-idol-mohammad-assaf-hamas-fatah-abbas-chanson-musique

      • gamal
        gamal
        August 13, 2013, 7:23 pm

        Walid, that Hamas preacher was not the only person to express doubts, de-politicization, the growth of Islamist politics has always worried me because of the undercurrent of de-politicized politics, as in America,
        politics and democracy and all those municipal issues are so quotidian when you could be gazing at the stars,

        http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/06/28/the-hollowed-politics-of-assafs-idolatry/

        and

        Constructing a regime.
        Pragmatism and depoliticization in European-Mediterranean relations: the case of Israel and the PA
        Peter Seeberg
        This article discusses the development of European-Mediterranean relations, and EU policies towards the Israel-Palestine conflict in particular, in the con- text of the European Neighbourhood Policy (ENP) and the Union for the Mediterranean (UfM). The article considers the ENP and UfM as building stones in a foreign policy regime on behalf of the EU. The idea of analyzing EU policies as a regime is inspired by Roland Dannreuther,

        static.sdu.dk/…/%7B6185A09B-D7A2-48E7-B2C7-27734AD60E39%7…‎

      • Walid
        Walid
        August 15, 2013, 7:02 am

        Gamal, the “Palestinian Rothschild” frequently referred to in your linked CP Assaf article is the grandfather of the young American-Palestinian lad, Munib Masri Jr. that was shot by the IDF at the fence at Maroun al-Ras on Nakba Day 2011. The story and the non-US reaction (like with Furkan Dogan) to it were swept under the rug.

  11. Jeff Klein
    Jeff Klein
    August 11, 2013, 5:08 pm

    CAMERA has a table of the pre-Oslo prisoners slated for release: http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=2&x_outlet=118&x_article=2514
    The first four were convicted for attacking an Israeli army base — and many others for violence against Israeli solders. Not “terrorists” by any reasonable definition, unless by terrorists we include the whole IDF. Not a bad idea!

    And how ludicrous is it for Netanyahu to complain about Palestinian “incitement”, meaning complaints about Israel ACTIONS and an unwillingness to accept Israeli colonization as legitimate. . .

  12. August 11, 2013, 5:15 pm

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-to-kerry-palestinians-continuing-incitement-against-israel/

    Netanyahu asserted, for example, that Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas’s comment that a future Palestinian state wouldn’t have a single Israeli in it — which Abbas made as peace talks kicked off in Washington two weeks ago — was a form of incitement.

    He also pointed out that an anchor on the PA’s official news channel stated, during a broadcast of the Barcelona soccer team’s visit to the West Bank last week, that the state of Palestine would extend from Rosh Hanikra to Eilat, i.e. the entire length of Israel, constituting another incendiary statement.
    Last week, during a trip to Israel by a delegation of 36 House Democrats to Israel, Steny Hoyer (D-Maryland), the second-ranking Democrat in the US House of Representatives, addressed the issue of Palestinian incitement, particularly youth being taught hateful messages about Israelis.

    “Erekat talked about the necessity to live together with mutual respect,” Hoyer said about his meeting with the Palestinian chief negotiator at a Jerusalem press conference. “I asked him whether their school curriculum would comport with that objective… He said they haven’t done so perfectly, but that he believes they’re working on reaching that objective.”
    Speaking during the AIPAC-affiliated trip, Hoyer said that there has been “too much teaching of violence, too much perpetration of violence, and too much teaching of prejudice,” in the Middle East and that “no group on Earth” has been the object of as much discrimination and hate as the Jews.

    • annie
      annie
      August 11, 2013, 5:53 pm

      Abbas’s comment that a future Palestinian state wouldn’t have a single Israeli in it —
      http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.540757

      but we know abbas didn’t say that and was referring to not a single israeli soldier:

      Abbas said Netanyahu’s letter was “surprising and manipulative.” He said that Netanyahu also certainly wouldn’t want Palestinian or foreign soldiers in Israel’s sovereign territory.

      • BrianEsker
        BrianEsker
        August 11, 2013, 6:15 pm

        Sorry, Abbas has EXPLICITLY said that Jews would not be allowed in his Palestine. And he said it plainly several times for the media. Of course, that’s as much of a deal breaker as insisting upon full right of return to Israel of 6 million so-called Palestinian “refugees.” To underscore that, there has already been systematic ongoing eradication of former synagogues and Jewish burial grounds and vandalism of Jewish sacred places in PA held territory. It’s one of the few things he says that I can believe.

      • annie
        annie
        August 11, 2013, 6:51 pm

        no he has not. that’s geller talk. when it was first reported it was retracted within an hour. now why bother. it’s a hasbrats dream. he said no israeli solders, not a single.

      • Shingo
        Shingo
        August 11, 2013, 6:54 pm

        Sorry, Abbas has EXPLICITLY said that Jews would not be allowed in his Palestine. And he said it plainly several times for the media

        Stop lying Brian,

        He had NEVER said that. The one time Erakat was misquoted, the article posted an immediate correction.

      • Peter in SF
        Peter in SF
        August 12, 2013, 4:06 am

        Sorry, Abbas has EXPLICITLY said that Jews would not be allowed in his Palestine. And he said it plainly several times for the media.

        Brian, EVERYONE KNOWS that a blog commenter is BSing when he provides not a single citation to back up a claim that a prominent public figure has said something “EXPLICITLY” and “plainly several times for the media.”

      • Shingo
        Shingo
        August 12, 2013, 7:34 am

        The other dead giveaway is that when pressed to produce those sources, they reply that you can Google it.

      • BrianEsker
        BrianEsker
        August 12, 2013, 12:06 pm

        “EVERYONE KNOWS that a blog commenter is BSing when he provides not a single citation to back up a claim”…

        That’s a joke, right? A simple google search using the words Abbas+ Jews+Palestine shows dozens and dozens of references to stories like this:
        http://news.yahoo.com/obama-admin-pushes-peace-process-abbas-vows-no-113622595.html AND NOT ONE that suggests that Abbas’s Judenrein West Bank declaration was misinterpreted.

        Typical of Mondo.

      • James Canning
        James Canning
        August 13, 2013, 5:59 pm

        @Brian – – Bear in mind that Abbas may well state that thus and such is non-negotiable when this is not the case.

      • Shingo
        Shingo
        August 13, 2013, 8:22 pm

        A simple google search using the words Abbas+ Jews+Palestine shows dozens and dozens of references to stories like this

        It says no Israelis in Palestine. Israel does not allow Egyptians or Jordanians to live in Israel, so why should the future state of Palestine allow Israelis to live permanently in Palestine?

        A simple google search using the words Abbas+ Jews+Palestine shows dozens and dozens of references to stories like this:

        Those a lies. Note that they do not acutally provide any quote from Abbas referring to Jews, the reported extrapolates Israeli to mean Jews.

        The article is clearly writes by an Israeli propagandist.

        Typical of hasbara.

      • Hostage
        Hostage
        August 13, 2013, 9:26 pm

        That’s a joke, right? A simple google search using the words Abbas+ Jews+Palestine shows dozens and dozens of references to stories like this:
        link to news.yahoo.com AND NOT ONE that suggests that Abbas’s Judenrein West Bank declaration was misinterpreted.

        Typical of Mondo.

        Of course you are lying about that, since Abbas only spoke about Israelis, not the Jews or a Judenrein West Bank. Israelis happen to be enemy civilians, who were prohibited from crossing the armistice lines in the first place. The Israeli Supreme Court noted in the Gaza Coast Council v Knesset case, that Israeli civilians are neither privileged belligerents or part of the indigenous protected civilian population under the applicable laws and customs of war.

        FYI, enemy civilians are supposed to be repatriated to their country of origin or nationality in order to end an armed conflict in accordance with Article 6 of the 4th Geneva Convention. Zionists typically condone flagrant Israeli violations of international law and then bitch about persecution of “the Jews” as if that is sufficient to distract attention away from what’s actually happening. I hope you realize that many of us here are persons of Jewish descent who aren’t fooled by that tactic for even one minute.

      • yrn
        yrn
        August 12, 2013, 9:07 am

        Abbas briefed Egyptian journalists, “In a final resolution, we would not see the presence of a single Israeli – civilian or soldier – on our lands.”

        http://www.islamonline.com/news/articles/27/No-Israeli-in-future-Palestine-Abbas-says-ahead-o.html

      • yrn
        yrn
        August 12, 2013, 9:12 am

        “In a final solution, we would not see the presence of a single Israeli – civilian or soldier – on our lands,” Abbas told Egyptian journalists
        http://www.aljazeera.com/news/americas/2013/07/2013730315701763.html

      • annie
        annie
        August 12, 2013, 9:54 am

        yrn, both of your articles are identical, did you notice that? why post the same thing twice? and neither of them list an author, did you notice that? did you see this:

        Source:
        Al Jazeera and agencies

        don’t you find that just a little bit strange? and who did abbas allegedly say this to? according to “Egyptian journalists”. which egyptian journalist? is no one going to claim credit for this quote? you’d think it was a big catch, no?

        and considering it was a a meeting w/indyk and livni and there was a video at the AJ link, don’t you think it’s just a little bit odd this information was not included in the video report? and don’t you think there would be some western source reporting this. or a statement from the state department?

        and hasn’t abbas already stated this allegation was a manipulation of his words?

      • eljay
        eljay
        August 12, 2013, 10:12 am

        >> “In a final solution, we would not see the presence of a single Israeli – civilian or soldier – on our lands,” Abbas told Egyptian journalists
        link to aljazeera.com

        In other words, Abbas EXPLICITLY did not say that Jews would not be allowed in Palestine.

      • amigo
        amigo
        August 12, 2013, 11:50 am

        Yrn—-what is the problem with that.

        Israel,s citizens ( Jews or other wise )are forbidden to be transferred into occupied territory by the occupier.

        If any of your rabid land thieving settler nuts wish to stay in Palestine , they can apply for Citizenship.

        I do hope they have a clean sheet though.

      • Shingo
        Shingo
        August 12, 2013, 6:42 pm

        Abbas briefed Egyptian journalists, “In a final resolution, we would not see the presence of a single Israeli – civilian or soldier – on our lands.”

        Which is perfectly reasonable. Israel does not grant residency to foreign nationals, so why should the Palestinian state? Anyone who wants to live permanently in Palestine would have to apply for citizenship of that state.

        Why should Israeli citizens be an exception to that rule?

      • talknic
        talknic
        August 12, 2013, 7:44 pm

        yrn“Abbas briefed Egyptian journalists, “In a final resolution, we would not see the presence of a single Israeli “

        …. obviously proves Abbas said Jews … right?

      • yrn
        yrn
        August 13, 2013, 3:07 am

        “and hasn’t abbas already stated this allegation was a manipulation of his words?”
        NO, Show me where…… evidence sources.
        While all over the internet just click “abbas briefed Egyptian journalists, “In a final resolution, we would not see the presence of a single Israeli – civilian or soldier – on our lands.”
        it’s all there in all the news and blogs, Nothing regarding Allegations.

        I know your week routine , I mentioned 2 Arab Sources as I know you will say it’s only Western Media.
        Your tactics are known, but you can’t switch Abbas words.

      • Shingo
        Shingo
        August 13, 2013, 8:18 pm

        While all over the internet just click “abbas briefed Egyptian journalists, “In a final resolution, we would not see the presence of a single Israeli – civilian or soldier – on our lands.”

        Again, what exactly is your problem YRN? Anyone who wants to live in a future Palestinian state would have to be a citizen of Palestine. Israel does not allow foreign nationals to live in Israel.

        Why should Israelis be given any exception?

      • talknic
        talknic
        August 13, 2013, 11:44 pm

        yrn
        “While all over the internet …. “In a final resolution, we would not see the presence of a single Israeli – civilian or soldier – on our lands.”

        OK. Got that. He said “Israeli”

        “Your tactics are known, but you can’t switch Abbas words.”

        Lemme see now.

        BrianEsker August 11, 2013 at 6:15 pm

        Sorry, Abbas has EXPLICITLY said that Jews would not be allowed in his Palestine

        BrianEsker HAS switched Abbas words and you’re trying to defend him by showing he has? That’s really really really REALLY WEIRD!

        What ever you’re on … stop, it’s rotting your brain

      • Shingo
        Shingo
        August 14, 2013, 12:33 am

        It’s not weird,

        It’s the unmistakable workings of a Zioncaine addled brain.

        For them Israeli = Jews
        Jews = Holocaust

      • Sibiriak
        Sibiriak
        August 14, 2013, 1:31 am

        Shingo:

        It’s not weird, It’s the unmistakable workings of a Zioncaine addled brain.

        For them Israeli = Jews
        Jews = Holocaust

        To be expected, yes, but still amazingly stupid. I mean, to post a statement as proof, even though it directly contradicts what one is claiming.

      • annie
        annie
        August 14, 2013, 8:34 am

        here’s a source we can trust http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/07/30/uk-palestinians-israel-abbas-idUKBRE96T03D20130730

        Abbas said that no Israeli settlers or border forces could remain in a future Palestinian state and that Palestinians deem illegal all Jewish settlement building within the land occupied in the 1967 Middle East war.

      • annie
        annie
        August 14, 2013, 8:39 am

        “and hasn’t abbas already stated this allegation was a manipulation of his words?”
        NO, Show me where…… evidence sources.

        pay attention yrn, i already posted it right here in this very thread, citing haaretz quoting abbas on the very subject:
        http://mondoweiss.net/2013/08/netanyahu-complains-to-kerry-of-incitement-and-cites-mohammed-assafs-lyrics.html/comment-page-1#comment-583654

        here’s the blockquote from their article, again( my bold):

        Abbas said Netanyahu’s letter was “surprising and manipulative.” He said that Netanyahu also certainly wouldn’t want Palestinian or foreign soldiers in Israel’s sovereign territory.

    • Shingo
      Shingo
      August 11, 2013, 6:52 pm

      Why should the Palestinian state have any Israelis in it anyway? Israel won’t allow permanent citizenship in Israel for any foreign nationals either. Jews who want to live in the state of Palestine need to apply for citizenship.

      So what is your problem fnlevit?

    • Dutch
      Dutch
      August 11, 2013, 10:53 pm

      Here’s Hoyer:
      Speaking during the AIPAC-affiliated trip, Hoyer said that there has been “too much teaching of violence, too much perpetration of violence, and too much teaching of prejudice.”

      Here’s Nurit Peled-Elhanan:
      In “Palestine in Israeli School Books: Ideology and Propaganda in Education”, which was released in the UK in April 2012, Nurit Peled-Elhanan describes the depiction of Arabs in Israeli schoolbooks as racist. She states that their only representation is as “refugees, primitive farmers and terrorists,” claiming that in “hundreds and hundreds” of books, not one photograph depicted an Arab as a “normal person.” (source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nurit_Peled-Elhanan)

  13. Dutch
    Dutch
    August 11, 2013, 6:07 pm

    The linked article in JPost has lots of comments. Many are predictable, but how about this one:

    xi557xi • 5 hours ago
    Dear Palestinians,

    By now it will be clear to you that although we use the words ‘peace’ and ‘solution’ in terms which would appear generally acceptable, what these words really mean to us, the Zionists, can only be understood within the purview of our unmitigated success in ethnically cleansing you.

    We, after all, recognize in the depths of our most secular cabinet meetings that we have no ‘right’ to Palestine whatsoever beyond the terms of the Mandate. The religious comforts and historical continuity aspects are just slippy-slides for continued Jewish immigration. What we really mean to do is get rid of you and maintain a majority Jewish state. Thankfully, the world still is reeling from the horror of the Shoah and we do not make small use of this fact in manipulating opinion in our favor.

    In early Zionist literature you will note the conundrum faced over how to create a majority Jewish presence, hence state, in a majority Arab landscape. The program all along, I am sure it comes as no surprise, was ethnic cleansing. It was the only way we could ensure a Jewish majority, and we continue to implement this plan. The frightening thing, even we admit, is how blatantly we go about it as the world watches. The trick is, of course, claiming we are defending ourselves as we swallow you up and spit you out hour after hour.

    Aside from hiding our ethnic cleansing program under the hushed tones and screeching sympathies for victims of the Shoah, we also employ an army of scattered gorillas (i.e., American conservatives) to support our cause as brothers in Zionist-Christian delusion.

    Our recent decision to approve new settlement homes was not, as some of us will claim, a bureaucratic error, but rather a calculated measure intended to send the message to America that we only will allow them room to breathe when we remove our phallus from their mouth. American politicians don’t read; they only watch television, and are therefore woefully unaware of what we get away with on the ground.

    So, we wish you the best of luck in being ethnically cleansed. Jordan is nice this time of year and the refugee camps are not so bad. Some of them even have clean water.

    Sincerely as always,
    Your friends in the Israeli Government

    • DICKERSON3870
      DICKERSON3870
      August 11, 2013, 7:32 pm

      Well said, “xi557xi”! And I might add: that is one helluva big phallus in America’s mouth! Apparently, Lady Liberty completely lacks a pharyngeal reflex (gag reflex).

      FROM WIKIPEDIA [Pharyngeal reflex]: “. . . Absence of the gag reflex and pharyngeal sensation can be a symptom of a number of severe medical conditions, such as damage to the glossopharyngeal nerve, the vagus nerve, or brain death. . .

  14. DICKERSON3870
    DICKERSON3870
    August 11, 2013, 7:19 pm

    RE: “Israel P.M. Netanyahu complained to Secretary of State John Kerry, Palestinian incitement undermines peace: He also included a link to a YouTube video that depicts the popular winner of Arab Idol Muhammad Assaf singing a song at the Barcelona soccer game in Hebron that spoke longingly of Israeli cities within the pre-1967 lines as belonging to Palestine.”

    MY SNARK: Das ist verboten! Veboten! Verboten! Veboten! Verboten! Veboten! Verboten! Veboten! Verboten! Veboten! Verboten! Veboten! Verboten! Veboten! Verboten! [ad nauseam]

    P.S. I assume that the use of “Israeli cities” is a reference to cities in the “disputed territory” claimed by Israel beginning in 1948.
    Since Israelis constantly refer to the West Bank as “disputed territory”, I have decided to begin likewise referring to pre-1967 Israel as “disputed territory”. Hey, turnabout is fair play, right? What goes around, comes around. You get what you give.* What’s good for the goose . . .

    * New Radicals: You Get What You Give [VIDEO, 04:40] – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DL7-CKirWZE

    • Dutch
      Dutch
      August 11, 2013, 10:41 pm

      Great snark, Dickerson. ‘Verboten’ is exactly right. Only Jews may long for their families, holy places or fatherland, right? Alles andere ist Verboten, verstehen Sie? Verboten. It’s absolutely hysterical.

    • annie
      annie
      August 11, 2013, 10:58 pm

      Since Israelis constantly refer to the West Bank as “disputed territory”, I have decided to begin likewise referring to pre-1967 Israel as “disputed territory”

      well, by israel’s standards (whatever one thinks is perfectly valid) it is disputed! i’m sure there’s just as many(at least!) palestinians who dispute israel’s legitimacy as there are israelis who ‘dispute’ the west bank is occupied.so what’s the difference?! if israel can throw international law right out the window the pushback should be a taste of their own medicine. i think i’ll dispute ‘israeli’ territory too. why not? it’s all palestinian land anyway. phff.

      • BrianEsker
        BrianEsker
        August 12, 2013, 11:59 am

        No Annie,
        According to international law and convention, the presence of Jews and Israel sovereignty in the west Bank is disputed as much as you would like to hope otherwise. Today’s “borders” are simply ceasefire lines. Borders would be determined in a treaty if they ever had one, and which people are hoping will come out of this latest round of negotiations. These kinds of border disputes still go on all over the world. From Timor to Bolivia to Kashmir. Why aren’t you demonizing India or Pakistan for their border wars which have gone on since 1947 as well?

      • annie
        annie
        August 12, 2013, 12:28 pm

        “According to international law and convention, the presence of Jews and Israel sovereignty in the west Bank is disputed ”

        disputing something doesn’t make it disputed under international law. that is not the definition of ‘disputed’ territory vs ‘occupied territory’.

        ‘according to international law’ is a matter of who is interpreting the law. would it be the IJC or the ICC or are you referencing some fruitcake like Howard Grief? here’s a video of him speaking:

        http://mondoweiss.net/2011/09/the-declaration-of-the-jewish-authority-in-eretz-yisrael.html

        seriously, you can’t make this stuff up. everyone should watch this video. Grief is the ‘mastermind’ behind:

        Grief reportedly claimed that he was the first to draw attention to the wider scope of the 1920 San Remo conference,[4] when he formulated the thesis that de jure sovereignty over the entire Land of Israel (Palestine) was vested in the Jewish People as a result of the reference to the Balfour declaration, adopted at the San Remo Conference in April 1920.[5] Grief maintains that Israeli politicians and jurists including the authors of the 2012 Levy Report have failed to grasp the full importance of the “San Remo Resolution”,[4] a term he coined to clarify his position, according to the Algemeiner.[6]

        Grief laid out his thesis in his 2008 book, The Legal Foundation and Borders of Israel under International Law.[7] John Quigley, in his book The Statehood of Palestine, comes to the conclusion that Grief’s position which excludes “the Arab inhabitants of the country at the time” from sovereignty on the basis of the Balfour Declaration is difficult to maintain given that the declaration “specifically references the rights of the population of Palestine in its entirety”.[8]

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Grief

        you can see another video supporting his ‘ideas’ by following the links/embeds at the base of this article.

        http://mondoweiss.net/2013/06/kids-back-alright.html

        It seems as if Club Z is a Zionist boot camp for young teens, with connections to Masha Merkulova, a pro-Israel activist. The group’s Home page and “Learn Page” link to a revisionist history, featuring Howard Grief, who spoke at a settler conference, arguing that the 1920 San Remo conference gave Jews sovereignty over all of historical Palestine. (More on Grief here).

        he’s at the ‘legal underpinning/core’ of fruitcake central, supporting it with millions of dollars invested in internet warriors will not change the core of this rotten apple. call it what you will, it’s definitely not international law.

      • Shingo
        Shingo
        August 12, 2013, 6:26 pm

        According to international law and convention, the presence of Jews and Israel sovereignty in the west Bank is disputed as much as you would like to hope otherwise.

        Absolute rubbish.

        The ICJ, the highest legal authority in matters of international law, dismissed those claims. All 15 justices dismissed Israel’s claims to the territory.

        Note, the court said Israel had to get out if the territory, not that they had a right to even dispute it.

        That is why Israel and the US have gone to such extraordinary lengths to avoid the UN, the ICJ and ICC. Israel knows it has no legal leg to stand on.

        Not even Israel makes your argument. Theodore Meron advised the Israeli government that the settlements violated the Geneva Conventions. The Israeli Supreme Court even says that the settlement lets themselves could be prosecuted for war crimes under international law.

        Today’s “borders” are simply ceasefire lines.

        Israel’s borders were declared in 1948, so do you want to tell the Israeli government,I’m sure they’d take your advice and withdraw from East Jerusalem and give up 30% of their territory.

        You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

      • Shingo
        Shingo
        August 12, 2013, 6:36 pm

        when he formulated the thesis that de jure sovereignty over the entire Land of Israel (Palestine) was vested in the Jewish People as a result of the reference to the Balfour declaration, adopted at the San Remo Conference in April 1920.[5]

        The hilarious thing is that Balfour himself publicly denied that there was any intent to give sovereignty to the Jews. Grief actually hangs his entire thesis on what he claims Balfour said in a private conversation, that he HOPED the Jews would eventually create a Jewish state.

        A fruitcake indeed.

      • talknic
        talknic
        August 12, 2013, 8:12 pm

        BrianEsker “According to international law and convention, the presence of Jews and Israel sovereignty in the west Bank is disputed”

        Can’t find the words “disputed” or “Jews” in any International Law or Convention relating to any non-Israeli territory under Israeli military control.

        “Today’s “borders” are simply ceasefire lines”

        Er no. Ceasefire lines are simply ceasefire lines. Armistice Demarcation Lines are simply Armistice Demarcation Lines and borders are simply borders. When Israel was declared and recognized by the boundaries it asked to be recognized by ( “as an independent republic within frontiers approved by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its Resolution of November 29, 1947”) Palestine’s borders were defined by default. Israel has never legally annexed any territory to its existing (1948) borders.

        “Borders would be determined in a treaty if they ever had one”

        Er no… Borders will be changed in a treaty if they ever have one. However the Palestinians are under no legal obligation to forgo any of their legal rights or territory in any negotiations. Meanwhile Israel is illegally settling in non-Israeli territory, Israel is obliged to adhere to the law, negotiations or not.

        “These kinds of border disputes still go on all over the world”

        Er no. In border disputes both parties claim they have borders. The disputes are over precisely where. Israel falsely claims it has no borders. Which means, under International Law, Israel is NOT a state http://pages.citebite.com/o1y0c4n1i3far

        “From Timor” Had defined borders and was occupied by Indonesia. East Timorese sovereignty has now been restored.

        “to Bolivia to Kashmir …. India or Pakistan”

        All claim to have borders.

      • Hostage
        Hostage
        August 12, 2013, 8:58 pm

        According to international law and convention, the presence of Jews and Israel sovereignty in the west Bank is disputed as much as you would like to hope otherwise. Today’s “borders” are simply ceasefire lines.

        No, they are “permanent armistice lines of demarcation” adopted by mutual agreement under the auspices of two UN Security Council Chapter 7 resolutions (62 and 73). Those resolutions require the parties to implement and observe those armistice lines pending a final settlement. So they are still legally binding on member states, including Israel under the terms of Articles 24 and 25 of the UN Charter.

        FYI, Israel agreed that:

        Rules and regulations of the armed forces of the Parties, which prohibit civilians from crossing the fighting lines or entering the area between the lines, shall remain in effect after the signing of this Agreement with application to the Armistice Demarcation Lines defined in articles V and VI.

        http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/isjorarm.html

        It’s an undisputed fact that Israel cannot unilaterally alter the terms of those agreements or rescind those Chapter 7 UN Security Council resolutions. The representative of Israel pointed out that fact. During the Security Council’s 433rd meeting, Abba Eban stated that they clearly defined the State’s jurisdiction and had the normal legal characteristics of frontiers:

        The armistice lines do not merely separate armed forces. They mark the clearly defined areas of full civil jurisdiction. The Government, the courts, the legislatures, the security authorities of each respective State operate smoothly and unchallenged up to the appropriate armistice line. These lines thus have the normal characteristics of provisional frontiers until such time as a new process of negotiation and agreement determines the final territorial settlement.

        The Armistice Agreements are not peace treaties. They do not prejudice the final territorial settlements. On the other hand, the provisional settlement established by the Armistice Agreements is unchallengeable until a new process of negotiation and agreement has been successfully consummated.

        link to un.org

        That means Jewish civilians are still forbidden to cross the armistice lines.

        FYI, the status of armistice lines under customary international law is the same as any other legal frontier, border, or boundary. General Assembly resolution 2625 (XXV), “The Declaration On Principles Of International Law Concerning Friendly Relations And Co-Operation Among States In Accordance With The Charter Of The United Nations” reflects the applicable customary law and treaty obligations per the UN Charter on the subject of borders, frontiers, or armistice lines. It provides that:

        Every State… has the duty to refrain from the threat or use of force to violate international lines of demarcation, such as armistice lines, established by or pursuant to an international agreement to which it is a party or which it is otherwise bound to respect.

        These kinds of border disputes still go on all over the world.

        Yes, but they aren’t ever settled through negotiations with an aggressor state. Here are a few of the other boundary cases that have been submitted to the Courts since Palestine declared its independence in 1988:
        *Eritrea/Yemen boundary dispute at the Permanent Court of Arbitration. link to pca-cpa.org
        *Eritrea-Ethiopia Boundary
        link to pca-cpa.org
        *Guyana v. Suriname boundary link to pca-cpa.org
        *Barbados/Trinidad and Tobago economic zone/continental shelf link to pca-cpa.org
        *The Frontier Dispute (Burkina Faso/Niger) link to icj-cij.org
        *Maritime Delimitation in the Black Sea (Romania v. Ukraine)
        link to icj-cij.org
        *Sovereignty over Pedra Branca/Pulau Batu Puteh, Middle Rocks and South Ledge (Malaysia/Singapore) link to icj-cij.org
        *Frontier Dispute (Benin/Niger) link to icj-cij.org
        *Territorial and Maritime Dispute (Nicaragua v. Colombia) link to icj-cij.org
        *Territorial and Maritime Dispute between Nicaragua and Honduras in the Caribbean Sea (Nicaragua v. Honduras) link to icj-cij.org
        *Sovereignty over Pulau Ligitan and Pulau Sipadan (Indonesia/Malaysia) link to icj-cij.org
        *Land and Maritime Boundary between Cameroon and Nigeria (Cameroon v. Nigeria) link to icj-cij.org
        *Maritime Delimitation and Territorial Questions between Qatar and Bahrain (Qatar v. Bahrain) link to icj-cij.org
        *Maritime Delimitation between Guinea-Bissau and Senegal (Guinea-Bissau v. Senegal) link to icj-cij.org
        *Territorial Dispute (Libyan Arab Jamahiriya/Chad) link to icj-cij.org
        *Maritime Delimitation in the Area between Greenland and Jan Mayen (Denmark v. Norway) link to icj-cij.org

      • James Canning
        James Canning
        August 13, 2013, 6:03 pm

        And Lord Balfour’s letter to Lord Rothschild did not say Britain would set up a state run by Jews in Palestine.

      • Hostage
        Hostage
        August 13, 2013, 8:40 pm

        he’s at the ‘legal underpinning/core’ of fruitcake central, supporting it with millions of dollars invested in internet warriors will not change the core of this rotten apple.

        Lol! I was stunned the other day to discover that Netanyahu is the only Israeli cabinet member who doesn’t already have his own legions of online hasbara warriors. Not to be outdone by the others, Haaretz reports that:

        Prime Minister’s Office recruiting students to wage online hasbara battles

        PMO and national student union to create covert units at universities to engage in diplomacy via social media; unit heads to receive full scholarships.

        http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/.premium-1.541142

        Too bad that he has to rely upon the victims of his government’s Education Ministry;-)

        call it what you will, it’s definitely not international law.

        Of course not. The Restatement (Third) of the Foreign Relations Law of the United States “§ 101 International Law Defined” says:

        “International law is the law of the international community of states.”

        A number of sources have explained that international law is simply the body of rules that states have adopted to govern their mutual relations, e.g. See International Law Definition: http://www.duhaime.org/LegalDictionary/I/InternationalLaw.aspx

        So when every state, except Israel, says that the settlements are illegal under international law, that is not opinion. It is a formulation of the applicable international law on the subject.

  15. James Canning
    James Canning
    August 11, 2013, 7:20 pm

    I suppose John Kerry cannot tell Netanyahu to stick it in his ear.

    • Dutch
      Dutch
      August 11, 2013, 10:34 pm

      No, no, no ….. Netanyahu is the donkey. Never forget that, James. Kerry has got to suck on it or squeeze Netanya’s balls. He’s got to step up or he’s out of the ballgame – so to say.

      • Bumblebye
        Bumblebye
        August 12, 2013, 7:54 pm

        That particular donkey needs GELDING asap!

  16. RoHa
    RoHa
    August 11, 2013, 9:19 pm

    Israel is so strong and so stable a country that a pop-song is a threat?

  17. Enass T
    Enass T
    August 12, 2013, 3:54 am

    Netanyahu is the definition of insecure small man.

    I am very happy that he feels threatened by a song.

    and Ya Tir El Tayer!

  18. thankgodimatheist
    thankgodimatheist
    August 12, 2013, 4:14 am

    A song or its lyrics undermine peace but never ending theft and settlement building don’t. Logical!

  19. Ecru
    Ecru
    August 12, 2013, 4:17 am

    I suppose it’s just a miracle he didn’t call it an “existential threat,” everything else seems to be.

  20. ritzl
    ritzl
    August 12, 2013, 10:33 am

    I heard (“people say”) that Assaf threw a piece of paper on the ground when he was five, and get this, he did NOT pick it back up. … If you know what I mean.

    (In Rudoren-speak, that must mean he comes from a “culture of littering.”)

    • Dutch
      Dutch
      August 12, 2013, 10:51 pm

      Well, it’s even worse. When he was four he didn’t throw anything on the ground. That’s what you get when you come from a ‘culture of doing nothing’.

      Yet another example of great investigative journalism that is the privilege of the NYTimes.

  21. amigo
    amigo
    August 12, 2013, 11:42 am

    “Netanyahu warns German FM: EU’s settlement guidelines will undercut peace process
    Netanyahu tells visiting German FM Guido Westerwelle that Israel is committed to peace, but says guidelines have prompted the Palestinians to demand impossible results; solution will come only through direct talks, says PM, not through external dictates.”

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.541083#commentsForm-541083

    I hope the German pointed out the fact that Israel,s expansion plans will undermine trade between Israel and the EU. Circa 25 billion annually in exports.

    • James Canning
      James Canning
      August 12, 2013, 1:17 pm

      Westerwelle should tell Netanyahu he cannot change borders by growing colonies of illegal Jewish settlers in WB.

  22. piotr
    piotr
    August 12, 2013, 12:33 pm

    Netanuahu is invariably correct.

    Assaf fullfils the hallmarks of “New Antisemitism”. These hallmarks make no sense and the entire concept of “New Antisemitism” is a bad joke, which is nicely illustrated here.

    EU’s settlement guidelines will undercut the peace process as currently conceived, and who needs that poorly reanimated zombie?

    As Ecru noted, Netanyahu was measured in his remarks. For example, it is hard to argue that undermining the peace process is an existential threat when part of his cabinet argues that the threat is in that process.

  23. NickJOCW
    NickJOCW
    August 13, 2013, 4:11 am

    Netanyahu is understandably concerned about the young man since he is the best ambassador the Palestinians could have, and they have him. As for the so called ‘peace negotiations’ which are not negotiations because Hamas is not there, they’re like a wolf negotiating peace with a hen yard.

    No, said the cock, and curses on us both
    And first on me if I were such a dunce
    As let you fool me oftener than once.

  24. just
    just
    August 14, 2013, 4:58 pm

    Israel has spent years mistranslating Ahmadinejad’s words.

    Now on to Abbas and the misrepresentation of his words. (Was he speaking in Arabic or in English?)

    Don’t they know that a lot of us out here in the real world know the truth?

    • annie
      annie
      August 15, 2013, 2:28 am

      thank you just, i couldn’t have said it better myself.

  25. homingpigeon
    homingpigeon
    August 16, 2013, 1:39 pm

    Too much chatter about what Abbas did or didn’t say regarding Israelis on the West Bank in a two state solution. But that solution is so yesterday. The pioneers of the are working on the one country solution. Israelis will be able to live anywhere between the river and the sea and so will Palestinians. The only catch for the Israelis is that they will have to live as equals. No more cutting down olive trees, no more inequitable use of water for swimming pools, no more sewage and trash into Palestinian fields, no more confiscation of private property and just compensation – including rent and interest for confiscated private property that is not vacated, no more ethic cleansing of Bedu, etc. What a good deal. Be nice, live anywhere!

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