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The home of Jihad Aslan, one of three Palestinians killed in Qalandia refugee camp.

The home of Jihad Aslan, one of three Palestinians killed in Qalandia refugee camp. (Photo: Allison Deger)

When Robin Zayed, 34, woke up Monday morning to the distinct crack of gunfire outside his Qalandia refugee camp bedroom window, it seemed like almost a lifetime ago that he was struggling to provide for his family. Zayed has a wife and five kids, one daughter and four boys, and after five years in a contract position with the United Nations Refugee Works Agency (UNRWA), in 2011 he became a full-time employee and was able to buy a house.

Becoming a homeowner was no small achievement. He was still paying it off, but things had become routine and there was a comfort in that routine. So finally when the shooting stopped, Zayed readied to get to work. Yet within minutes he would be hit in the chest. His death, and that of two others, Jihad Aslan, 21, and Younes Joujah, 22, then catalyzed a Palestinian Authority (PA) boycott of peace negotiations, a row between the UN and Israel, and a face-off between Ramallah protesters and Palestinian security forces outside of the government’s compound.

Famed Palestinian hunger striker Khader Adnan joins the youth protest against the Palestinian Authority and negotiations with Israel.

Famed Palestinian hunger striker Khader Adnan joins the youth protest against the Palestinian Authority and negotiations with Israel. (Photo: Allison Deger)

“People, when they leave their houses in the morning it’s to go out and live their lives, it’s not to go out and die,” said Zayed’s uncle, Murad Jilal Zayed, 32. “When we open our doors we don’t expect to see soldiers in our faces.”

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Intersection in Qalandia refugee camp where Robin Zayed was killed on Monday morning by Israeli fire. (Photo: Allison Deger)

Yet even while walking the straight and narrow Zayed couldn’t change the uneasy circumstances around him. At 4:00 am that morning the first soldiers arrived in the camp. A 1,500 person rock-throwing confrontation against the soldiers ensued. Israeli forces dressed in both uniforms and white undershirts with black cargo pants sprayed the camp with live-bullets. One unit, witnesses said, entered the camp in an unmarked green-plated Palestinian car.

When it seemed like the militarized Jeeps were finally driving out of the camp after firing at people, building facades and cars, Zayed walked out of his house. Two were already dead and around 20 injured. At 7:30am, Zayed peered around a corner that only five minutes before was in heat. He saw an Israeli Jeep driving away from him towards the exit of the camp. Then, according to witnesses, neighbors of Zayed, a soldier shot him in the chest. He died instantly.

“It was quiet before they shot him,” said Mohammed Leila Mizher, a neighbor who carried Zayed’s lifeless body off the street. “He looked slaughtered, the way an animal was slaughtered. I could put my hand in the bullet holes when I was holding him,” he continued.

Shelling over Palestinian business in Qalandia refugee camp.

Shelling over Palestinian business in Qalandia refugee camp. (Photo: Allison Deger)

Two days after Zayed’s death his uncle Murad walked me through Qalandia. It was the conclusion of the grieving period. A tent with plastic chairs and fold out tables were set up by the camp’s entrance for male family members and friends. Officials from the PA gave speeches, and the head of the Palestinian Women’s Martyrs Union spoke about the three killed as symbol of their burgeoning country. Flags for Mahmoud Abbas’s party Fatah rafted over the rows of mourners. Murad said lame duck Palestinian Prime Minister Rami Hamdallah had showed up the day before to pay his respects.

Shelling marks on shutter of storefront near where three Palestinians were killed earlier this week.

Shelling marks on shutter of storefront near where three Palestinians were killed earlier this week. (Photo: Allison Deger)

Mansaf was also served, a traditional rice and lamb dish for funerals and weddings. If one can afford an entire lamb for marriages the animal is served with its mouth open. But at wakes, it’s closed; a singular heavy dish for both blessing and catastrophe.

Qalandia refugee camp is a short walk from the checkpoint of the same name, the main artery in and out of the northern West Bank for Palestinians. Because of its location, it is also host to all of the through-traffic to Ramallah, the seat of the PA. Every day it’s a jam and sometimes, once a week Israeli forces enter in cover of night and arrest one of the refugees.

That’s how things started on Monday.

Israel border police first entered the camp to arrest Yousef al-Khitab on suspicion of “terrorist activity,” according to a representative from the Israeli military. Al-Khitab was former prisoner who was released just weeks ago in an Israeli goodwill gesture on the eve of the return to peace talks. According to al-Khitab’s neighbor, the youth knew he was a wanted man. “We are administered as part of Area C, so they [the IDF] can come in whenever they want,” said Murad. “When somebody is wanted,” he continued, “they usually flee to Area A.” But al-Khitab stayed in the camp. He didn’t want to part from his wife and children to hideout in Ramallah.

Detaining al-Khitab should have been a routine operation, but it went astray. Witnesses in the camp said the first unit of border police created a ruckus. A man who spoke with Mondoweiss on the condition of anonymity said he woke at 4:30 am for morning prays, then drank coffee and read the Quran. What is usually the quietest part of the day was shattered by the screams of al-Khitab’s younger brother Omar. Around 5:30 am the neighbor stuck his head out of his second floor bedroom window and spotted five Israeli forces with M16s on the street and stair entrance to the al-Khitab house. Then soldiers dragged Omar from the house to the street where they beat him, said the neighbor.

The noise roused sleeping Palestinians and some began pelting the police with stones. By 6:30 am an IDF unit was dispatched. They entered the camp from two points, shooting live fire—no tear gas or rubber bullets, the standard crowd control dispersant. Palestinians threw stones, firebombs and chairs at them. The entire clash spread out in three directions at a T-intersection near the camp’s exit flooding the streets with debris.

When Jihad Aslan heard the commotion he wanted to participate. His house is a few meters from al-Khitab’s. “Anytime he heard clashes he was the first to come out,” said the female members of his family. His mother, still in shock, had not spoken much of the past three days. Together the relatives said Aslan was shot in his left hand while throwing rocks.

“They blew his whole hand off,” said his mother and aunts. “Then he reached out with his other had and the is when they shot him dead.”

Aslan was the youngest of three brothers, all raised by a single mom. His dad parted for Panama before he was born and the two had never met. “God have mercy on him, he was lovely to everyone,” continued his relatives. They said he loved the martyrs and the Palestinian cause. Part of his national, or liberatory, ethic included helping others and he was said to have been kind to those in need because it fulfilled a duty for those ushering in a better future for the occupied Palestinian people.

Aslan had also spent three stints in an Israeli prison. Once for one year, once for eight months, and once for four months. He was 17 the first time he was arrested, but even before then he had run-ins with Israeli forces. When he was 14 he was shot several times in the leg, rendering him partially disabled.

The father and brother of Younes Joujah who was also killed in the clash were not in Qalandia at the time of his death. His family was not available for comment and witnesses who spoke to Mondoweiss about the other killings did not see Joujah’s death.

Hours after the three Palestinians were killed clashes erupted all over the West Bank and in Jerusalem. But it wasn’t just the populace that responded. The Palestinian leadership canceled a meeting in Jericho with Israeli officials that was part of the nine months of direct negotiations. Officially the meeting has not been rescheduled and it’s unknown if the Kerry backed peace process can survive.

The UN for its part lambasted the attack. “UNRWA condemns the killing of its staff member and calls on all sides, at this delicate time, to exercise maximum restraint and to act in accordance with obligations under international law,” said UNRWA’s Chris Gunness.

Israeli officials responded denouncing UNRWA for not speaking with the foreign ministry. “Quite aside from the fact that UNRWA did not even bother to approach any official Israeli sources for comment, its statement was rushed to the press while the violent riots were still raging in Qalandia,” said the Israeli foreign ministry to Ynet News. However, before releasing its statement UNRWA maintains it did speak with Israeli officials from both the military and the ministry of foreign affairs. “The right hand of the Foreign Ministry needs to know what its left hand is doing,” said Gunness. As well the UN dispatched a team from the UN Commission on Human Rights to investigate the deaths in Qalandia.

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Palestinian youth protested the Palestinian Authority in the wake of the killings in Qalandia refugee camp.
(Photo: Allison Deger)

Three days after the killings youth in Ramallah continued the protests that had started days before, however turning their attention to the PA. They called for the resignation of Abbas and a cancellation of the negotiations with Israel. From the city center a group of 200, led by young women, marched toward the Muqata, the seat of government. Palestinian security forces blocked the youth from accessing the compound and beat protesters with batons. The demonstrators also clapped their hands against the police’s riot shields. One Palestinian was detained and released within an hour.

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Palestinian security forces blocked youth protesters from accessing the Muqata and beat them with batons.
(Photo: Allison Deger)

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  1. just
    just
    August 29, 2013, 3:56 pm

    Thanks Allison– your account brings all of the horror and pain that you have witnessed to the ‘page’– it rings so terribly and tragically true.

    There are no words of mine that can do any kind of justice to these crimes, I can only apologize for the US government’s silence and complicity. This is more murders in cold blood, preceded and followed by Israeli lies and duplicity.

    I remain in awe of the restraint and strength of the Palestinian people. May the victims of these crimes rest in peace, and may their loved ones find some kind of solace– somewhere, somehow, someday soon…….

  2. Mondowise
    Mondowise
    August 29, 2013, 4:11 pm

    hmmm, i’m glad to read here that negotiations are being boycotted over the murders by the IDF of these three Palestinians, but Ma’an News reported 2 days ago that the peace negotiations in Jericho this past Monday, same day as the murders, did in fact take place. so wonder what’s up with that, i’m a bit confused by the discrepancy between your article and Ma’an’s: http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=624528

    • just
      just
      August 29, 2013, 5:56 pm

      I wonder as well……

      • yrn
        yrn
        August 30, 2013, 2:03 pm

        “The Palestinian leadership canceled a meeting in Jericho with Israeli officials that was part of the nine months of direct negotiations. Officially the meeting has not been rescheduled and it’s unknown if the Kerry backed peace process can survive.”

        Just Don’t Take Maannnews as a true resource.
        Allison knows better, there has been NO talks and the meeting has not been rescheduled.
        it’s unknown if the Kerry backed peace process can survive.

        Go with Allison, she is the reliable source here, as she is Mondowiess professional on site investigator.

      • yrn
        yrn
        August 30, 2013, 2:32 pm

        You want to see a picture of the meeting between Saeb Erekat met with Tzipi Livni as planed .
        Here is the picture.
        http://occupiedpalestine.wordpress.com/2013/08/27/erekat-meets-livni-after-qalandia-killings-while-btselem-demands-an-investigation/

        looks like peace talks have a stronger drive.

      • yrn
        yrn
        August 30, 2013, 2:37 pm

        Allison Deger

        Don’t make a fool of yourself, Edit the article quick and delete my comment, so no one will notice your professional journalism.
        Too bad that Mondowise and just, discovered it before.
        But as you know you can always just make their comments disappear as in all totalitarian moderated newspapers and you will be safe and professional journalist again, who knows Mondowiess can decide to send you to Syria to investigate the Gas usage……
        This site is more Amusing from day to day, keep on with the good work

      • amigo
        amigo
        August 31, 2013, 10:31 am

        “This site is more Amusing from day to day, keep on with the good work”
        y-arn

        Most of the amusement emanates from your zio clipboard.

        Keep up the good work.Your hasbara is invaluable as recruitment material.

      • Shingo
        Shingo
        August 31, 2013, 11:09 pm

        Three posts in a row from Yrn show he’s is panic mode.

      • eGuard
        eGuard
        September 1, 2013, 5:53 am

        yrn, the very fact that you are going ad hominem proves that Allison Deger is doing a good job.

  3. dbroncos
    dbroncos
    August 29, 2013, 4:17 pm

    Kerry’s “moral obscenity” rhetoric stops at the borders of IDF control. What a sad little man he is. Grinning Israeli officials can be confident that if blame is to be attached to the suspension of talks, Kerry will blame Palestinians.

  4. MHughes976
    MHughes976
    August 29, 2013, 6:04 pm

    Our hardline Defence Minister, Philip Hammond, is currently on BBC Newsnight calling for United States attacks on Syria in order to vindicate ‘the taboo on chemical weapons that has lasted for a 100 years’. It was pointed out to him that Saddam had used them at Halabja. He accepted this rather ungraciously. No one mentioned white phosphorus.

  5. Daniel Rich
    Daniel Rich
    August 29, 2013, 6:52 pm

    Truth can’t be stopped.

    It can be moderated.

    It can be censored.

    But Nigel Kennedy’s performance, his words and deeds will live on forever @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATHVGwMzg0E

    There’s only one way to deal with Apartheid, and that’s head-on.

    • bintbiba
      bintbiba
      August 30, 2013, 9:08 am

      Heartfelt thanks for posting the Youtube, Daniel Rich. An unforgettable event , which has had controversial repercussions. That boy is 14 years old, one of three brothers ,all playing with the orchestra. His brother Mustafa (15 years old) is due to play with Nigel on the Last Night of the Proms in the Park; we shall see what transpires.
      Thanks must be given to Anthony Lawson for his powerful videos on youtube.!

      • bintbiba
        bintbiba
        August 30, 2013, 9:12 am

        The youtube of the whole concert “The Four Seasons” by Vivaldi, at the Albert Hall, is posted online, censored of the few words Nigel Kennedy so truthfully spoke.

  6. MHughes976
    MHughes976
    August 29, 2013, 7:05 pm

    Following the vote in Parliament the BBC is showing pictures of a napalm attack on people gathered by a school, presumably by Assad’s men, and generally giving the impression that when this sinks in our decision on Syria will be reversed.
    I wouldn’t mind military action if it would save Syria, prevent further massacres, bring peace. But there is no reason to think this possible. There’s no way that a little bit of a war, simply making a point, can do any good. And that it was what we are being promised by the No Boots brigade. As for regime chance we can’t do it or at least we can’t really hope to change the regime for a better one.

    • RoHa
      RoHa
      August 29, 2013, 11:31 pm

      “the BBC is showing pictures of a napalm attack on people gathered by a school, presumably by Assad’s men”

      Using napalm? Outrageous. Who do these people think they are?

  7. asherpat
    asherpat
    August 29, 2013, 7:41 pm

    “Shelling marks on shutter of storefront near where three Palestinians were killed earlier this week. (Photo: Allison Deger)”

    The bullet marks indicate that these shots were not made from the outside (unless Allison was making the photo from inside the shop) because the edges of the holes are bent outwards.

    Whether or not this is another Pallywood shot or someone was shooting from inside or it was a genuine mistake by Allison, I don’t know, but these are not signs of Israeli war machine shooting indiscriminately, unless of course, they were shooting from inside of the shop.

    Sincerely, it will be interesting to hear an explanation.

    • just
      just
      August 29, 2013, 9:28 pm

      “Pallywood”?

      wth???

      • just
        just
        August 29, 2013, 9:46 pm

        btw– the shutters appear to be closed. Betcha they might have been open when the goons started shooting.

      • asherpat
        asherpat
        August 30, 2013, 10:56 am

        @just: The raid started at 4am in the morning, what shop is open at these hours?

      • Woody Tanaka
        Woody Tanaka
        August 30, 2013, 1:00 pm

        Who said the store was open? Just was talking about the shutters. And there is simply no way to make the kind of statement you made from this photo; your statement is nothing but bigoted slander.

        For pete’s sales, you don’t even know what surface you’re looking at or how the shutter is hung and your accusing people who have been victimized for decades of committing fraud? What is wrong with you?? Didn’t your parents bother to teach you basic character?

        You’re just talking out of your ass because your bigotry won’t let you see the truth: that a bunch of Jews pulled off a terror attack, so you’re looking to blame the victim in order to cover up the crime, like you zios have been doing for generations.

      • asherpat
        asherpat
        August 30, 2013, 2:08 pm

        @Woody: “For pete’s sales, you don’t even know what surface you’re looking at or how the shutter is hung” – Why, I know what surface it is, if you and I believe Allison’s caption which says “marks on shutter of storefront”, further, a sticker is visible which indicates the orientation of the photo and a hinge.

        And yes, I can say that these holes don’t look like bullet holes at all, definitely not like shots from the outside. The edges of the holes are bent outwards, and yes, I have seen bullet holes on metal plates, they dont look like that. Actually, these holes look like they were drilled from inside by electric drill, especially that they are unnaturally perpendicular to the surface for a bullet shot.

        The above isn’t any pro or anti position, but your reply, and the replies of others here show blind obsession of a zero sum game – “if you show a mistake of “our side”, your side wins”, Israel Evil – Arab Good. This is nonsense, Israel is bad, good etc, I accept it cos I am not blinded by an obsession, like you are.

      • tear-stained uzi
        tear-stained uzi
        August 30, 2013, 2:19 pm

        Tell it, Woody!

        So fucking sick of crass Israeli triumphalism and lies.

      • tree
        tree
        August 31, 2013, 12:29 am

        Asherpat, you are being incredibly obtuse. Ritzl below linked to still photographs of bullet holes in metal that look exactly like the holes in the metal shutters FROM THE PENETRATION SIDE and I linked to slow motion video that shows those types of holes being made by bullets shot through metal plates. And still you insist that bullets can’t possibly make the kind of holes that we have shown you. Who you going to believe? Your obsession with “Pallywood” or your lying eyes? And yes, you are blinded by your own obsession. Your insistence that bullet holes in steel don’t look the way bullet holes in steel look, despite visual evidence to the contrary, proves your blindness.

      • eGuard
        eGuard
        August 31, 2013, 11:18 am

        asherpat: The raid started at 4am in the morning, what shop is open at these hours?

        Robin Zayed was killed at 7:30am, as Allison Deger writes.

      • Shingo
        Shingo
        August 31, 2013, 11:15 pm

        I have seen bullet holes on metal plates, they dont look like that.

        Yes they do.

        http://hallbuzz.com/images/2007/dec/ksu_sculpture_bullet_hole_1024.jpg

        Actually, these holes look like they were drilled from inside by electric drill,

        No they don’t. Drilled holes would have stripped the surface and revealed specular highlights.

        especially that they are unnaturally perpendicular to the surface for a bullet shot.

        There is unnaturally perpendicular about them. It depends on what direction they were shot from and what distance.

        Epic fail as always Asherpat

      • Woody Tanaka
        Woody Tanaka
        September 1, 2013, 11:19 am

        “Why, I know what surface it is, if you and I believe Allison’s caption which says “marks on shutter of storefront”,”

        No, you don’t. Nothing in the caption states which surface of the shutter we are looking at, whether it is the inner or outer surface. Beyond that, you don’t know what position that surface was in at the time of the zionist forces’ terror attack and what direction the zio terrorists were firing from.

        “further, a sticker is visible which indicates the orientation of the photo and a hinge.”

        So what? Without more information, that tells you nothing except that up in the photo is probably up in real life. Further, the hinge, by itself, tells you nothing because you don’t know how the other end of the hinge attaches to the building, whether this is an accordion-style shutter, etc.. Further, the fact that you see the hinge means that it is more likely than not that we are looking at the inner surface of the shutter, because it makes no sense to build a security shutter and put a hinge on the outside where it can be quickly taken apart and the door defeated.

        “And yes, I can say that these holes don’t look like bullet holes at all, definitely not like shots from the outside.”

        Only because you have no idea what you are talking about.

        “The edges of the holes are bent outwards, and yes, I have seen bullet holes on metal plates, they dont look like that.”

        LMAO. Yes, they look exactly like that.

        “Actually, these holes look like they were drilled from inside by electric drill, especially that they are unnaturally perpendicular to the surface for a bullet shot.”

        More evidence that you don’t know what you’re talking about. You’ve clearly never actually used a drill to drill metal because if you did, you would know that it does not result in this type of deformity in the metal.

        “The above isn’t any pro or anti position,”

        Yes it is. Like every two-bit zio, you’re willing to make any excuse, no matter how ludicrous or facially nonsensical, and you’re willing to spread the most vile, viscous racist libels known to man, in order to excuse the criminal actions of your apartheid state.

        “and the replies of others here show blind obsession of a zero sum game”

        No, the replies here are expressing disgust that you are trying to blame the victim and excuse the oppressor.

        “I accept it”

        No, you don’t. Like most every zio here, you will spread any lie, proffer any explanation, no matter how illogical or foolish, illegal or immoral, if it will deflect blame from the criminality of the israeli state.

      • Talkback
        Talkback
        August 30, 2013, 8:48 am

        just says: “Pallywood”? wth???

        That’s asherpat’s racist equivalent term to the “Judenpresse”.

    • Djinn
      Djinn
      August 29, 2013, 11:04 pm

      They indicate nothing of the sort asspat, you have no idea if the shutter were open or closed when shot and I’m not sure whether you can tell if that photo was taken from inside or out as you yourself noted, but no you went straight for the offensive explanation.

      As for your reference to Pallywood, well you can stick that somewhere unpleasant.

    • ritzl
      ritzl
      August 30, 2013, 12:10 am

      You have no idea what you’re talking about, asherpat.

      Metal is displaced to the side both going in and coming out, particularly at that thickness. Visualize water drops into still water.

      Typical. Almost everything zios say is either false or distorted or both. That which isn’t false or distorted gets used in support of larger falsehoods and distortions.

      http://emptormaven.com/2007/06/steel-penetration-of-223-bullets/ (No idea about the nature of the website, but the penetration pix are pretty self-explanatory.)

      • tree
        tree
        August 30, 2013, 1:56 pm

        Good pix, ritzl. The holes in the shutter look like the picture taken of the penetration side of the hole, with the ring around the hole being pretty uniform. In the picture taken from the other side of the hole the metal around the hole is much more splayed and uneven.

        This link has a video of slow motion bullet penetrations. Note the patterns made in steel on the penetration side by the shots at 12-22 seconds in. They are very similar to the holes in the shutter.

        http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=aa6_1255061340

      • ritzl
        ritzl
        August 30, 2013, 3:56 pm

        Supercool, tree. Good one. Great music too.

        asherpat’s comment just caught me right after having watched the debate on “Five Broken Cameras” that seanmcbride linked to the other day. Brooke Goldstein, one of the zio panelists was non-stop with the irrelevancies and non/half-facts, all used to craft a completely distorted view of the Occupation and Palestinians.

        They lie so much it’s really hard to know where to jump in, as you can see from the Palestinian panelists’ faces. asherpat’s distortion was iconic and easy to refute, but I can’t imagine having contentions like that insistently machine- or shotgunned my way in a panel discussion. If everything’s a lie and you can’t refute all of them, then the lies become one pole of the debate.

        Sorry to digress.

        http://www.thirteen.org/program-content/5-broken-cameras-a-discussion/

    • piotr
      piotr
      August 30, 2013, 12:27 am

      “The bullet marks indicate that these shots were not made from the outside (unless Allison was making the photo from inside the shop) because the edges of the holes are bent outwards.”

      I wonder how asherpat reached his conclusion. I grew up in Warsaw, Poland, one block away from a house marked by bullets during WWII. The marks in the plaster looked very much like those in the photo. Unlike in USA, houses in Poland and Middle East are typically constructed from bricks, or cinder blocks etc. covered with plaster. You cannot shoot through such walls with small caliber weapons and what you see is plaster, which is hard but brittle, chipped by the bullets.

      • talknic
        talknic
        August 30, 2013, 1:38 am

        @piotr asherpat is talking about the green shutters

      • piotr
        piotr
        August 30, 2013, 9:59 am

        Yeah, I missed that picture when I scrolled. The point asherpat made remains nonsensical. There are definitely fresh bullet holes and fresh bodies.

        The question if these were “indiscriminate” or “deliberate” shots is moot. The IDF mission that ended in three killings seems very poorly planned and executed. Why the IDF unit came during the start of the morning prayers? Why they stayed for hours in a tiny camp (about 2000 by 2000 feet)? The riot apparently started after one hour of soldiers wrecking havock and waking everybody (remember: tiny crowded camp). THEN they stayed for two more hours?

        Whatever the ostensible goal of the mission was, it was executed as an attempt to cow the local youth to submission. The ostensible goal did not make the mission any better.

      • asherpat
        asherpat
        August 30, 2013, 1:58 pm

        “Why the IDF unit came during the start of the morning prayers?”

        Piotr, if you were in place of soldiers, would you come at a more “convenient” time, or perhaps you would send your targets an SMS with the schedule of the operation?

      • piotr
        piotr
        August 30, 2013, 10:58 pm

        I read that usually arrests are made around 2 am specifically to do it before the participants of the morning prayers wake up. But the soldiers came late, and then they spend hours there, apparently searching through houses and beating up people on the street.

      • just
        just
        August 30, 2013, 11:13 pm

        Can anyone imagine being terrorized by armed goons at 2am???

        Eternal, non-stop stress, worry and fear, courtesy of the Occupiers.

      • eljay
        eljay
        August 30, 2013, 11:46 pm

        >> Piotr, if you were in place of soldiers, would you come at a more “convenient” time, or perhaps you would send your targets an SMS with the schedule of the operation?

        Well, there you have it: Palestinian border police are free to sneak, unscheduled, into Israel and arrest people on suspicion of terrorist activity. And if they need to spray crowds with live ammo in order to make their escape, so be it.

        Or…is this another one of those privileges extended, hypocritically, only to Occupation Forces of the Supremacist “Jewish State” of (Greater) Israel?

      • asherpat
        asherpat
        August 31, 2013, 7:18 am

        Palestinians terrorise Israelis too, only they tend to come and blow themselves up in the middle of Pizza parlours. Doesn’t it merit security measures

      • amigo
        amigo
        August 31, 2013, 10:47 am

        Asherpat–are you ceding defeat on the bullet hole issue.

        Just slinking off with your tail between your legs to carry on spouting a different set of lies and hasbara.

        You zio apologists are so transparent.

        By the way, did not the IDF drop thousands of leaflets on Gaza to let the inhabitants know “they were coming”.

        Does your foot ever get tired being shot at.

      • just
        just
        August 31, 2013, 12:25 pm

        asherpat– the pizza parlor bombing was in 2001 and a terrible thing. This murder of Palestinians was days ago and the brutalizing by the IOF is a daily occurrence.

        There is no equivalency in your defensive post of the IOF and Israel’s grotesque policies. The “security measures” you speak of are inhuman and violate international law with respect to the laws of Occupation and international humanitarian law.

      • Shingo
        Shingo
        August 31, 2013, 11:17 pm

        if you were in place of soldiers, would you come at a more “convenient” time

        If you knew you were the target of the IDF, would you allow yourself to be found at a “convenient” time?

      • Shingo
        Shingo
        August 31, 2013, 11:18 pm

        Palestinians terrorise Israelis too, only they tend to come and blow themselves up in the middle of Pizza parlours.

        They stopped doing that 11 years ago, so how do you explain that? Are you suggesting they no longer terrorize Israelis?

    • Allison Deger
      Allison Deger
      August 30, 2013, 1:36 pm

      There are no reports of Palestinians firing guns in Qalandia during the clash, including from the IDF’s own account–their spokesperson said rocks and firebombs, which is in the article.

  8. HemiFaulk
    HemiFaulk
    August 30, 2013, 9:50 am

    I can’t add to that, excl work by Deger. I will add this though
    vote against settlement expansion vote against settlement expansion
    http://org.salsalabs.com/o/301/p/dia/action3/common/public/?action_KEY=14131

    vote against settlement expansion vote against settlement expansion

    • asherpat
      asherpat
      August 30, 2013, 1:56 pm

      @Hemi – when you call to stop “settlement expansion”, do you mean that you are OK with Jews residing outside of 1948 lines, symmetric to Arabs residing inside these boundaries? If not, why not?

      Also, do you include new buildings in Jewish settlements without getting more land outside the current boundaries of the “settlements” or any building is “expansion”. If yes, why is it OK for Arabs inside the 1948 lines to build new buildings in their villages, but it is not ok for Jews inside theirs?

      I would like to hear your logic

      • Djinn
        Djinn
        August 31, 2013, 1:27 am

        WOW

        , do you mean that you are OK with Jews residing outside of 1948 lines, symmetric to Arabs residing inside these boundaries? If not, why not?

        I’ll try to use small words for you. The Arabs living withing 1948 borders are ISRAELIS ergo they live in ISRAEL.

        The settlers are ISRAELI and they are living on land that it not ISRAEL.

        In the same way that I can not expand my land in Israel and you (I presume) can not expand your land in Australia.

        You seem to be arguing for a one state solution there though so maybe I should keep quiet and let you continue on.

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        August 31, 2013, 1:59 am

        “you (I presume) can not expand your land in Australia. ”

        Don’t presume. It is probably next on the agenda.

      • Shingo
        Shingo
        August 31, 2013, 11:22 pm

        do you mean that you are OK with Jews residing outside of 1948 lines, symmetric to Arabs residing inside these boundaries? If not, why not?

        Jews yes, Israelis (who are citizens of Israel) no.

        do you include new buildings in Jewish settlements without getting more land outside the current boundaries of the “settlements” or any building is “expansion”.

        You can’t expand without getting more land or solidifying the permanence of those illegal settlements.. The definition of expansion is to become larger, hence require more surface area.

        why is it OK for Arabs inside the 1948 lines to build new buildings in their villages, but it is not ok for Jews inside theirs?

        1. Because they have to obtain permission from the legitimate government of Israel within legitimate Israeli territory
        2. They don’t anyway, because the Israeli government almost always rejects those applications.

  9. yrn
    yrn
    August 30, 2013, 2:57 pm

    “The Palestinian leadership canceled a meeting in Jericho with Israeli officials that was part of the nine months of direct negotiations. Officially the meeting has not been rescheduled and it’s unknown if the Kerry backed peace process can survive.”

    The wishful thinking of Mondowiess and it’s Editors.
    So for that they will LIE and try to declare statements that will convince the readers, that there is no hope for the peace process.
    Mondowiess dose not want peace between the Palestinians and the Israelis.
    so all the acts are kosher, they will Lie Fabricate news
    First comes the LIE:
    The Palestinian leadership canceled a meeting in Jericho with Israeli officials.
    Second comes the fabrication :
    Officially the meeting has not been rescheduled
    And here comes the wishful thinking:
    it’s unknown if the Kerry backed peace process can survive.
    Well …… figure out the answer.

    • piotr
      piotr
      August 31, 2013, 4:24 am

      First comes the LIE:
      The Palestinian leadership canceled a meeting in Jericho with Israeli officials.

      You should complain to
      http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4422362,00.html

      By the way, about the second lie: do you claim that the meeting was not canceled but nevertheless it was re-scheduled? I am a bit confused what is it that you imply.

      Concerning “Kerry backed peace process surviving”, it is hard to tell that it is still “Kerry backed”. Mister secretary is currently occupied with other matters. The “process” is secret, so we actually do not know what is scheduled, canceled or rescheduled, and what thoughts or doodles are in “position papers” collected by mister secretary.

  10. yrn
    yrn
    August 31, 2013, 5:03 am

    piotre

    Thanks for the comment as you give me the opportunity to lighten more points how deceiving this article is.
    You should complain to Allison Deger and the editors here.
    1) The Meeting between Livni and Said Arikat took place on Monday the 26 of August.
    This article was published on the 29 of August, three days later.
    Allison Deger is located in Ramalla , if she didn’t know that the meeting took place, MW should send her back, or she is faking news beacuse of a reason, then you have Editors in MW that go over the article, and I am sure they knew that the meeting took place, so if they did not cut that out, well you decide who is who is the LIAR and the FAKE Master.

    Piotr Writes “do you claim that the meeting was not canceled but nevertheless it was re-scheduled? ”
    2) I don’t claim anything I just lighten up the false information of this fake journalist.
    Allison Deger writes
    “The Palestinian leadership canceled a meeting in Jericho with Israeli officials that was part of the nine months of direct negotiations. Officially the meeting has not been rescheduled and it’s unknown if the Kerry backed peace process can survive.”

    Since the meeting took place, there is no need to rescheduled another meeting.
    This is the Fabrication, as she writes the meeting is Canceled, her wishful thinking is to claim, that the whole peace talks are stopped and dead, meaning when she writes that “the meeting” has not been rescheduled and then comes the HARD CORE wishful thinking propaganda, that the “and it’s unknown if the Kerry backed peace process can survive.” she wants to push into your head, that the peace process is dead.
    so Meeting canceled – not been rescheduled and the finale, Kerry and the peace talks are dead.
    Propaganda at it best, but a fabricated Lie from the house of Mondowiess and Allison Deger.

    • Allison Deger
      Allison Deger
      August 31, 2013, 12:21 pm

      We will post timely official responses from the PA, Israel and the US on the meeting tomorrow. As of now, the US and Israel are not confirming if the meeting took place, and the PA announced on Monday that they were boycotting. The source that meeting did take place is Xinhua, who spoke with an unnamed Palestinian official. However, this has not been confirmed by Israeli officials, or anyone else.

      http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/world/2013-08/27/c_125251711.htm

      • yrn
        yrn
        August 31, 2013, 1:29 pm

        More links…..
        http://www.al-monitor.com

        http://occupiedpalestine.wordpress.com/2013/08/27/erekat-meets-livni-after-qalandia-killings-while-btselem-demands-an-investigation/

        http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=624528

        U.S. State Department denied tonight (Monday) reports that appeared earlier Israeli and Arab media, which claimed that the Palestinians decided to cancel a planned meeting between Tzipi Livni and the chairman of the negotiating team for the Palestinian, Saeb Erekat, Marie Sharp, told Reuters.” the parties are in the midst of negotiating a long and serious, “she added.
        http://news.walla.co.il/?w=//2673433

        Contact “state Department spokeswoman Marie Sharp”….
        As you want believe the Israeli press as always.

      • Shingo
        Shingo
        August 31, 2013, 11:24 pm

        U.S. State Department denied tonight (Monday) reports that appeared earlier Israeli and Arab media,

        Right, so we should assume the U.S. State Department is not lying. Got it.

      • piotr
        piotr
        September 1, 2013, 12:45 am

        From one of your links:

        Earlier, a Palestinian official told AFP that “the meeting that was to take place in Jericho … today was cancelled because of the Israeli crime committed in Qalandia today,” referring to the killing of three Palestinians in an overnight arrest raid.

        It seems that Americans could deliver Erekat and Livni to the meeting, which was at his residence, so the only organizational issue was packing Livni into a taxi and then crashing Erekat’s place. This is a mockery of a “process”. PA does not say anything, while Israeli cabinet members say quite a bit, ynet.com cited Gideon Sa’ar at length, and earlier Bennet, Dannon and so on. Livni is a total outlier in the coalition while the majority is resolutely against any minimal “concession”, like dismantling one of the existing settlements. Vapid resolutely sticks to having no opinion. Erekat’s position is perhaps symmetric to Livni. Given that, I do not see how they can agree on anything other than where and when they should meet next time.

      • yrn
        yrn
        September 1, 2013, 4:24 am

        piotr
        Time will tell.
        There is a will on both sides to continue with the talks.
        PA has a problem, that they must show that they act according to what the public wants, but at the end of the days looks like the process has more power and drive, so instead of making too much noise, they announce and then continue with the process.
        Allison writes.
        “this has not been confirmed by Israeli officials, or anyone else.”
        “the US and Israel are not confirming if the meeting took place,”
        So I gave her the link to the “state Department spokeswoman Marie Sharp”…. and Ynet in Israel.
        She will never believe Israel and US sources as the MW routine.
        But she sits in Ramalla the headquarter of the PA.
        If she cannot get any news from there, what the hell is she doing there.
        Pushing fake news can be done from the US too.

      • Shingo
        Shingo
        September 1, 2013, 7:08 am

        There is a will on both sides to continue with the talks.

        If the talks are anything like they have been, then the win will be for Israel alone, as all they serve to do is bring legitimacy to Israel’s violations of international law and land theft.

        So I gave her the link to the “state Department spokeswoman Marie Sharp”…. and Ynet in Israel.

        The US has not even been allowed to attend the meetings, so yes, Israel and US sources can be safely dismissed.

        If she cannot get any news from there, what the hell is she doing there.

        NOT acting as the PA spokesperson.

        Pushing fake news can be done from the US too.

        That is usually where is comes from.

      • yrn
        yrn
        September 1, 2013, 8:46 am

        Shingo

        As I know your routine pathetic answers already, read my next comment to Allison

        “She will never believe Israel and US sources as the MW routine.
        But she sits in Ramalla the headquarter of the PA.
        If she cannot get any news from there, what the hell is she doing there.
        Pushing fake news can be done from the US too.”

        You are all so predictable and computarized, it’s like a one man comment

      • Shingo
        Shingo
        September 1, 2013, 6:45 pm

        You are all so predictable and computarized, it’s like a one man comment

        All your points are dead on arrival Yrn and utterly predictable. That’s why we have a name for it – hasbara.

  11. RebuildingAll
    RebuildingAll
    August 31, 2013, 7:41 am

    Solid article Allison. I was in nearby Ramallah that day — so many explained that the riot broke out because the soldiers came to arrest someone they released only two week’s before in the trust-building measure that opened the way for peace talks. I was surprised that local and international press did not report this. Was Yousef al-Khitab indeed re-arrested that morning?

    Also, the eye-witness account regarding Robin Zayed’s death is particularly chilling. Please ask UNRWA if they will be presenting testimony to the U.S. Human Rights officer at the U.S. Consulate. You might ask the UNRWA spokesperson if they will put forward a request to invoke the U.S. Leahy Law and also ask the U.S. Consulate if they will investigate and register this as a Leahy Law violation.

  12. Mayhem
    Mayhem
    August 31, 2013, 11:04 am

    and sometimes, once a week Israeli forces enter in cover of night and

    What can kind of double talk is “sometimes, once a week”?

    • just
      just
      August 31, 2013, 12:27 pm

      It’s English.

      Guess it’s not your first language.

    • amigo
      amigo
      September 1, 2013, 7:32 am

      “What can kind of double talk is “sometimes, once a week”?”mayhem

      Sometimes, twice a week.

      Easy, eh Einstein.

  13. Obsidian
    Obsidian
    August 31, 2013, 1:50 pm

    Here’s a refugee camp killing Allison won’t report on.

    Last Tuesday night in a third refugee camp — Askar, near Nablus — a Palestinian was killed by Palestinian security forces.

    Palestinian police officers en route to arrest a drug dealer in Askar were stoned by dozens of incensed young Palestinians. Like the incident that occurred just a day earlier in Qalandiya, one of the police officers opened fire, hitting 37-year-old Amjad Odah.

    • Allison Deger
      Allison Deger
      August 31, 2013, 3:52 pm

      don’t be too quick to judge, I’m looking into it…will have more for you later.

      • Obsidian
        Obsidian
        August 31, 2013, 4:53 pm

        I’m on pins and needles.

      • amigo
        amigo
        September 1, 2013, 7:35 am

        “I’m on pins and needles.”oblivious

        An overdose of ziocaine can do that to you.

        Take two truth pills and hibernate until spring, 2020?.

    • Shingo
      Shingo
      August 31, 2013, 11:26 pm

      Last Tuesday night in a third refugee camp — Askar, near Nablus — a Palestinian was killed by Palestinian security forces.

      What exactly are you trying to argue Obsidian? The Palestinian security forces are paid for by the US to enforce security on Israel’s behalf.

  14. Obsidian
    Obsidian
    September 1, 2013, 6:16 am

    No. The PA security forces were acting on their own behalf.
    The PA security forces were seeking to arrest a drug dealer, were attacked by a mob, and responded with lethal force, same as the Israeli Border Patrol.

    Now here is probable explanation for the recent uptick in Israeli incursions into Palestinian territory (which as nothing to do with the peace talks).

    http://www.jpost.com/Defense/Shin-Bet-foils-Hamas-bomb-attack-planned-for-Jerusalem-mall-324915

    • Woody Tanaka
      Woody Tanaka
      September 1, 2013, 1:22 pm

      “Now here is probable explanation for the recent uptick in Israeli incursions into Palestinian territory (which as nothing to do with the peace talks).

      link to jpost.com”

      LMAO. Yeah, the zionist mouthpiece quotes the zionist gestapo to justify zionist terror attacks. Pretty typical.

    • Shingo
      Shingo
      September 1, 2013, 6:49 pm

      No. The PA security forces were acting on their own behalf.

      No, the PA security forces are paid for by the US and they are paid to carry out Israel’s law enforcement in the WB.

      Now here is probable explanation for the recent uptick in Israeli incursions into Palestinian territory

      No, it’s the usual BS about impeding attacks that are never proven to justify Israel’s continue oppression and land theft in the occupied territories. In fact, it’s well established Israeli MO to use the claim of an “impeding”attack to derail peace talks or ceasefires.

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