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Remember that unhappy picture of his meeting with Kerry that Netanyahu tweeted a month agoKerryWell things got a lot better today.

Netanyahu and Kerry today in Jerusalem

Netanyahu and Kerry today in Jerusalem

You’d be smiling too if Benjamin Netanyahu was that close to the red telephone. Isn’t that the essence of the Obama foreign policy? Why we’ll say anything to please him?

Netanyahu is happy because he was right back on the Iran threat rhetoric:

First and foremost, we discussed the danger to the world posed by Iran’s pursuit of a nuclear weapons capability

And because Kerry repeatedly echoed concerns about Israel’s security. The secretary of state said hardly a word about a Palestinian state, but repeated Obama’s demand that Palestinians recognize Israel as a Jewish state:

And I join with President Obama in expressing to the people of Israel our deep, deep commitment to the security of Israel and to the need to find a peace that recognizes Israel as a Jewish state, recognizes Israel as a country that can defend itself, by itself, and that is an important principle with which the Prime Minister and the President and I are in agreement.

Much of our discussion in the very beginning obviously focused on where we are with respect to Iran. I can’t emphasize enough that Israel’s security in this negotiation is at the top of our agenda and the United States will do everything in our power to make certain that Iran’s nuclear program, a program of weaponization possibilities, is terminated…

Security was foremost in Kerry’s treatment of the Palestinian talks:

Once again, Israel’s security is fundamental to these negotiations..

Kerry repeatedly described the negotiations as complicated, and brushed off disagreements:

while occasionally we might have a difference of a tactical measure, we do not have a difference about the fundamental strategy that we both seek with respect with the security of Israel and the long-term peace of this region.

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  1. pabelmont
    pabelmont
    December 5, 2013, 11:36 am

    Course the negotiations are complicated. gotta hold the EU at bay, and defuse BDS, and generally make the world “safe for Israel”. The idea of justice or security for Palestine doesn’t arise. (Those are not complicated ideas.)

  2. Ira Glunts
    Ira Glunts
    December 5, 2013, 12:16 pm

    Funny that they smiled at each other and talked about Iran. Yesterday’s press buzz was that Kerry was going to present a US draft proposal for Israeli security arrangements in the West Bank which was aimed at reviving the talks that both sides publicly agree are going nowhere. Most of what Israel sees as security arrangements, the Palestinians correctly see as limiting their sovereignty.

    The U.S. plan is a result of ongoing meetings between U.S. and Israeli officials. They were led by retired General John Allen who is with Kerry today. The Palestinians were made aware of these talks but did not participate. Allen is supposedly presenting the American ideas to both sides today.

    Ma’ariv said yesterday that Kerry’s visit would be “decisive” in determining if the talks would continue. Ha’aretz stated the the visit was to “shake up” the two leaders and demand that they return to serious negotiations. The only mention of Iran was that Ha’aretz said that Netanyahu would try to divert the meeting to the nuclear talks. Maybe he has succeeded, at least for public consumption.

    • Hostage
      Hostage
      December 5, 2013, 1:47 pm

      Yesterday’s press buzz was that Kerry was going to present a US draft proposal for Israeli security arrangements in the West Bank which was aimed at reviving the talks that both sides publicly agree are going nowhere.

      The Palestinians have rejected those. According to the Reuters and other news agency reports it looks like it was a bridging proposal to use international forces in lieu of the IDF, as Abbas has requested in the past, while placing them under Israeli control:

      Israel currently has military control of the West Bank and does not want to give it up. But a possible part of the US plan could call for stationing international forces along the West Bank border with Jordan, although officials on all sides have refused to discuss the details.

      It’s also possible that Israel would be in control of the international forces, in an uneasy compromise to try to appease both sides.

      http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4461933,00.html

      My first reaction is that it sounds crazy, but what country on Earth would agree to commit atrocities, home demolitions, expropriations, & ignore settler crimes on behalf of the Israelis?

      • Hostage
        Hostage
        December 5, 2013, 2:07 pm

        P.S. I don’t know if Phil or anyone is working on an article, but the big bombshell was the recent EU announcement about the possible cutoff of funding for the Palestinian authorities if the peace talks fail. They said that the objective has always been statehood and not maintaining the status quo. They will let the regimes collapse and make Israel pickup the tab for security and essential services.

        That ought to be the PM’s and Finance Minister Yair Lapid’s worst nightmare, since it would wipe out any deficit measures along with any the anticipated surpluses and consign the Israeli economy to the doghouse.

        — EU to reconsider Palestinian aid if peace talks with Israel fail
        Brussels official says that Israel will be forced to assume responsibility for West Bank if the Authority falls due to lack of funds. http://www.haaretz.com/.premium-1.561593

      • Erasmus
        Erasmus
        December 5, 2013, 2:46 pm

        EU denies that it would suspend aid to PA if peace talks fail

        ….The High Representative for EU foreign policy spokesperson, Maya Kossianic, told Italian news agency AKI, “The European Union did not make any such announcement. Such a move is out of the question now. The EU strongly supports the peace talks as the best way to resolve the Palestinian-Israeli conflict and to achieve security and stability for the region.”

        What Israeli newspapers had circulated re discontinuing / reducing EU financial support if Kerry-induced I-P Peace bla-bla talks concluded in failure has obviously been again another
        ” SHITHOUSE Baloony PAROLE”

        https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/news/europe/8675-eu-denies-that-it-would-suspend-aid-to-pa-if-peace-talks-fail

      • Hostage
        Hostage
        December 5, 2013, 3:45 pm

        What Israeli newspapers had circulated re discontinuing / reducing EU financial support if Kerry-induced I-P Peace bla-bla talks concluded in failure has obviously been again another
        ” SHITHOUSE Baloony PAROLE”

        Haaretz didn’t say the EU had made an announcement:

        BRUSSELS – A senior European Union official said Tuesday that the union may cut off financial assistance to the Palestinian Authority, if the American-brokered peace talks between Israel and the Palestinians were to fail.

        In that event, the PA would cease to function and responsibility for the West Bank would revert to Israel, the source said.

        EU officials raised questions about continuing assistance to the PA a few months ago, in view of the lack of progress in the talks, the official said, in a briefing to Israeli journalists in Brussels. The assistance was intended to help the Palestinian Authority prepare itself for statehood, not to perpetuate the existing situation, he said.

        “Some people suggested giving the money to other countries, like Syria, Mali and other places around the world,” he said.

        He added that the issue may be raised again, if the talks end in failure at the end of the allotted nine month period, “because the question is, what’s the money for if a Palestinian state isn’t established?”

        That isn’t a crazy question. Why should the international community continue to bankroll a deadbeat occupying colonial regime?

      • Shingo
        Shingo
        December 5, 2013, 2:28 pm

        My first reaction is that it sounds crazy, but what country on Earth would agree to commit atrocities, home demolitions, expropriations, & ignore settler crimes on behalf of the Israelis?

        Probably their role will be to control the angry Palestinians so the IDF can perform these duties in peace

    • Bumblebye
      Bumblebye
      December 5, 2013, 1:58 pm

      Ira, this pesky video keeps yapping at me every time i get on this page – how to stop the automatic start?

      • Ira Glunts
        Ira Glunts
        December 5, 2013, 2:28 pm

        In a previous post someone said there is a Firefox add on called Flashblock that will block the autostart.

  3. Erasmus
    Erasmus
    December 5, 2013, 12:37 pm

    Recognition of Israel as Jewish State
    Re: John Kerry : ….our deep, deep commitment to the security of Israel and to the need to find a peace that recognizes Israel as a Jewish state, …and that is an important principle with which the Prime Minister and the President and I are in agreement…

    Such a statement by the USA is indeed highly deplorable, indicating that the USA echoes the Netanyahoo newly introduced condition, which is – as we all know – a perfect Killer Condition.

    I wonder why Kerry still travels thousands of miles backwards-forwards under the signum of I-P-“peace” talkings.

    • NickJOCW
      NickJOCW
      December 6, 2013, 5:28 am

      Someone said on RT the other day, How fortunate to have Kerry in that job as he’s the worst salesman of negative foreign policy the US has ever had!

  4. Ira Glunts
    Ira Glunts
    December 5, 2013, 12:44 pm

    According to Ma’ariv, Kerry’s security plan does not include IDF soldiers in the Jordan Valley. It is not clear if the plan suggests an international force there. Israel claims it will not accept this and insists on an IDF presence. Ma’ariv claims that Jordanian officials agree that the Israeli military should remain in the Jordan Valley and are pressuring the Americans on this score. I have no idea whether Jordan wants the IDF on the border, but even if it does I am sure that they are not happy to learn that this has been made public. I expect a Jordanian denial with the next hour.

    • Shingo
      Shingo
      December 5, 2013, 2:38 pm

      That ought to be the PM’s and Finance Minister Yair Lapid’s worst nightmare, since it would wipe out any deficit measures along with any the anticipated surpluses and consign the Israeli economy to the doghouse.

      Lapid needn’t worry. Congress will fall over one another to rush through an emergency appropriations bill to make up the shortfall.

  5. eljay
    eljay
    December 5, 2013, 12:59 pm

    >> And I join with President Obama in expressing to the people of Israel our deep, deep commitment to the security of Israel and to the need to find a peace that recognizes Israel as a Jewish state …

    Israel has no right to exist as a supremacist “Jewish State”. What Obama and Kerry should be committed to, at a minimum, is:
    – ending and reversing Israel’s occupation and colonization of land outside of its / Partition borders;
    – holding Jews and non-Jews involved in the I-P conflict accountable for their (war) crimes;
    – ensuring that Israel honours its commitments under international law;
    – assisting in the establishment of a secular, democratic and egalitarian Palestinian state – a state of and for all Palestinians, equally; and
    – assisting in the reform of Israel from an oppressive and supremacist “Jewish State” into a secular, democratic and egalitarian Israeli state – a state of and for all Israelis, equally.

  6. David Doppler
    David Doppler
    December 5, 2013, 1:04 pm

    John Kerry has been the big surprise of the Second Obama term. The next five months will bring an end to the 9 month gestation of I/P peace talks, plus the end of the Iran interim deal. A success on either would be an historic achievement to make his tenure forever noteworthy. That he has both chainsaws in the air at once, has converted Netanyahu’s stony hostility into promising cordiality (after coming in and going toe-to-toe on the rhetoric front at their last meeting), and has a shot at success with both, with each a lever for the other, and with the world getting excited about the possibilities, is just way beyond expectations. It’s a little like the difference between good and average chess players, the ability to use pieces in combination. Part of the surprise is the appetite to put it all into play at once. Kind of like turning your swift boat into shore at the point from which hostile fire is coming.

    Is this Kerry, Obama, or the result of their teamwork? Hillary is starting to look timid by comparison. Part of greatness is knowing when to be bold, picking your fights, so that you win when it counts. Time will tell.

    • James Canning
      James Canning
      December 5, 2013, 1:41 pm

      John Kerry is being John Kerry, and pushing for a deal. We should be very glad Obama is allowing Kerry to be Kerry. And too bad Kerry did not win the White House in 2004.

      • David Doppler
        David Doppler
        December 5, 2013, 3:54 pm

        Pushing for two deals, while pivoting to Asia.

  7. Ira Glunts
    Ira Glunts
    December 5, 2013, 1:15 pm

    http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/12/05/uk-palestinians-israel-usa-security-idUKBRE9B40SB20131205

    Kerry met with Mahmoud Abbas today. Reuters reports that according to an unnamed Palestinian official, Abbas has already rejected the American security proposal. The paper did not give and details of the proposal or state what to what the Palestinians objected.

    According to Ha’aretz, the official said, “the Palestinian side rejects the American suggestions because they will lead to the continuation and perpetuation of the occupation.”

    The Palestinian Authority has been pleading with Kerry to do what he can to keep the negotiations alive.

    • Shingo
      Shingo
      December 5, 2013, 2:39 pm

      I expect a Jordanian denial with the next hour.

      Can someone explain why the Arab Spring has not arrived in Jordan? Why is that limp wristed tyrant still in power?

      • yrn
        yrn
        December 5, 2013, 3:46 pm

        Shingo
        You still call it a spring………….
        guess you don’t live on this planet as your comrades.

      • Woody Tanaka
        Woody Tanaka
        December 5, 2013, 4:48 pm

        “You still call it a spring………….
        guess you don’t live on this planet as your comrades.”

        As much as you zios, the Americans and their lapdogs have tried to end the spring for your own devious reasons, it’s still a spring.

      • Shingo
        Shingo
        December 5, 2013, 4:58 pm

        Yes I call it a spring Yrn because it ain’t over.

      • Sammar
        Sammar
        December 6, 2013, 12:24 am

        “Can someone explain why the Arab Spring has not arrived in Jordan?”

        Maybe because people in Jordan have seen what it led to in the countries around them? The results have not been encouraging, to say the least. Name one of the “Arab Spring” countries where people are better off now than before.

        And don’t forget that Jordan does not present any danger to Israel, so no need to instigate or support uprisings that destroy its economy and/or infrastructure.

        And anyway, where would all the refugees from Palestine, Iraq and Syria go if Jordan went up in flames as well?

      • Shingo
        Shingo
        December 6, 2013, 12:28 am

        Maybe because people in Jordan have seen what it led to in the countries around them?

        More likely it will require an inciting incident as in Tunisia.

        Name one of the “Arab Spring” countries where people are better off now than before.

        Tunisia

        And don’t forget that Jordan does not present any danger to Israel, so no need to instigate or support uprisings that destroy its economy and/or infrastructure.

        What are you babbling about? Are you suggesting that the Arab spring is an Israeli conspiracy?

        And anyway, where would all the refugees from Palestine, Iraq and Syria go if Jordan went up in flames as well?

        Palestine of course.

        Any other stupid comments you want to add?

      • yrn
        yrn
        December 6, 2013, 2:58 am

        Sammar
        “And don’t forget that Jordan does not present any danger to Israel, so no need to instigate or support uprisings that destroy its economy and/or infrastructure.”

        So you imply That the “spring” was a conspiracy…… or the “people” request ?
        Did Egypt present any danger to Israel ?
        No, same as Jordan and yet look what happened there, Egypt economy went backwards and is finished, will take them years to rebuilt, but don’t worry Shingo and tanaka are going to save the day.

        hat’s why MW is so quite regarding the “SPRING” and of-course Syria.

  8. James Canning
    James Canning
    December 5, 2013, 1:39 pm

    I think Israel’s safety will be enhanced if Israel gets out of the West Bank. Even if this process takes many years.

  9. Justpassingby
    Justpassingby
    December 5, 2013, 1:45 pm

    Shameful that the palestinian people accept these “peace-talks” led by corrupt Mahmoud Abbas!

    • Shingo
      Shingo
      December 5, 2013, 2:43 pm

      They do not accept then but Abbas is just a mini dictator and has the US financed security forces to keep the public in check.

      • yrn
        yrn
        December 5, 2013, 3:48 pm

        Shingo
        Which of your Arab dictators don’t you object?

      • Shingo
        Shingo
        December 5, 2013, 5:41 pm

        None of them.

        Though I object more to the US puppet dictators

      • yrn
        yrn
        December 6, 2013, 3:05 am

        Shingo
        Who did They ever accept , Guess Hania is also a puppet for you, see how he became a pussycat.
        Who is not a US puppet dictator ?
        As long as you can blame someone, you are OK as usual.

      • Justpassingby
        Justpassingby
        December 6, 2013, 4:10 am

        yrn

        All compared to you.

  10. surewin
    surewin
    December 5, 2013, 3:59 pm

    Kerry: “…recognizes Israel as a country that can defend itself, by itself, …”

    By itself. That’s interesting.

  11. amigo
    amigo
    December 5, 2013, 4:06 pm

    Off topic but the Irish times is being infested by hasbarists.

    Could you heavy hitters get over there and put some stick about.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/middle-east/space-for-everyone-in-the-history-of-the-negev-except-the-bedouins-1.1616942

    • Woody Tanaka
      Woody Tanaka
      December 5, 2013, 5:11 pm

      WTF!!! Warn a fellow if you’re going to link to a page where Golda Meir’s picture is just going to pop up. I mean, I wouldn’t complain if it was something only mildly disturbing, like a video of a colonoscopy or a dog with a gangrenous leg or something, but Meir??? Well beyond the pale.

  12. bilal a
    bilal a
    December 5, 2013, 9:15 pm

    Its likely the german submarines and other nuclear forces have had a change of status that has gotten the US’s attention, as part of strategic signaling. Discussed here is the autonomy of the defense forces irrespective of cabinet decisions in the Israeli command structure, ie the threat of a rogue Israeli strategic first strike:

    “We also assess that there was pressure within the Israeli defense
    establishment to consider prepar ation for nuclear use, however,
    particularly by Defense Minister Moshe Dayan. We judge that it is
    likely that Dayan suggested that the Israeli supreme war cabinet (led
    by Prime Minister Golda Meir) consider the more substantial
    readying of Israel’s nuclear forces for a possible “demonstration” usage on or about October 7 – but that Meir and the otherparticipants in the meeting rebuffed Dayan’s proposal, and that no action was taken in accordance with
    it. That said, we believe it is possible that Dayan might have taken some minor actions with respect to Israel’s nuclear forces on his own initiative, but we do not have the evidence to make a firm assessment on this point. ”
    http://www.cna.org/sites/default/files/research/DRM-2013-U-004480-Final.pdf

  13. Citizen
    Citizen
    December 5, 2013, 11:43 pm

    Perhaps the Israelis are fishing to see just how much US will give Israel if the IDF leaves the Jordanian border area? You know, as Kerry says, US is deep deeply concerned to secure Israel from any Palestinian state, yet the Palestinians want a sovereign state, not a veneer over the occupation. Kerry’s parroting Israel’s Bibi’s boast about Israel’s ability “to defend itself, by itself.” http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/middle-east/palestinians-reject-kerry-s-plan-for-west-bank-security-1.1618475

  14. Tobias
    Tobias
    December 5, 2013, 11:45 pm

    Seems Kerry only owns the one suit and tie.

  15. radii
    radii
    December 6, 2013, 1:41 am

    it would be better if the U.S. changed their telephone number and just didn’t give it to israel … they could go shout at the wind

  16. DICKERSON3870
    DICKERSON3870
    December 6, 2013, 2:22 am

    RE: “Netanyahu tweets red-telephone picture, to show how happy he is with Kerry”

    MY COMMENT: But . . . but . . . but, isn’t that a Persian carpet underneath him and Kerry?!?! I’d say “close enough for government work”, and I would certainly hate to see someone pull the rug out from underneath them. I really would. Really, ya’ll.

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