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Folks have been passing around Andrew Sullivan’s attack on the New Republic and its new owner Chris Hughes. Sullivan says he thought the Facebook magnate would end the magazine’s defense of the settlement project.

There was some thought that Chris Hughes might actually bring some air and oxygen to the magazine’s relentlessly predictable coverage of the Middle East, when he bought the magazine from Marty Peretz. Ha!

The full context here is that Chris Hughes’s husband Sean Eldridge has aspirations to go to Congress from upstate New York. And the article in his magazine that Sullivan cites is an important reminder that the Greater Israel lobby (as he has termed it) is very much Democratic Party territory (because there are so many Zionists in the Democratic Party). Sullivan:

from TNR’s Isaac Chotiner to Senator Chuck Schumer:

“Are you worried that your old colleague John Kerry has gotten ahead of himself with these Iran negotiations?”

Seriously. As Schumer is spear-heading a sabotage of the negotiations with Iran, and echoing, word for word, the apocalyptic rhetoric of Bibi Netanyahu, he gets a question like that from a Democratic party magazine. Extra special bonus:

[Chotiner]: Kerry had some pretty harsh comments on Israel the other day.

[Schumer]: Yeah, I saw that. I thought that was a mistake.

This was the mistake: “Kerry said that Israel’s attachment to its settlements shows that the country is ‘perhaps … not really serious’ about wanting peace.”

That’s worth noting in case you ever thought that TNR’s protestations that they oppose West Bank settlements aren’t several courics in weight. …

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  1. American
    American
    December 5, 2013, 10:20 am

    I cant think of anything I havent said already about Schumer, the I Firsters in the Donkey Party and pandering to the Zios to get elected to political office.
    So I’ll just add …’strike while the iron is hot’….the US public’s isolationist trend needs to be linked to, expanded into the Isr-USA con game on the US public.

    American isolationism just hit a 50-year high. Why that matters. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs

    Snips…

    ”The most striking poll result is the share of Americans who believe that “the U.S. should mind its own business internationally and let other countries get along the best they can on their own.” For the first time since Pew began asking in 1964, more than half of respondents say they agree with that statement, a staggeringly high 52 percent. That number has historically ranged between about 20 and 40 percent. The share who said they disagreed with that statement is now only 38 percent. ”

    ”Another metric found similar record highs in isolationist attitudes. When asked if they agreed that the United States should “not think so much in international terms but concentrate more on our own national problems,” 80 percent surveyed said they agreed, an all-time high. Only 16 percent disagreed .

    ”Slightly more than half of Americans say that the country tries to do too much in “solving the world’s problems.” Interestingly, this metric has an unusually low partisan divide; 52 percent of Republicans and 46 percent of Democrats said they agreed the United States does too much. ”

  2. Bumblebye
    Bumblebye
    December 5, 2013, 10:28 am

    Oh well, Yuval Diskin would probably beg to differ with Schumer:
    http://www.guardian.com/world/2013/dec/05/israeli-security-chief-conflict-threat-iran

    He thinks the continued occupation a bigger threat than Iran:

    “The failure to reach a deal to end the Israeli-Palestinian conflict poses a bigger existential threat to Israel than the Iranian nuclear programme, according a former head of the country’s security agency, Shin Bet.

    Yuval Diskin, who left office two years ago, criticised the continuing occupation and the growth of settlements in the West Bank, saying a solution based on two states would soon no longer be an option.

    “I would like to know that our national home has clear borders and that we hold the people sacred, not the land. I would like to see a national home that is not maintained by occupying another people.”

    • piotr
      piotr
      December 5, 2013, 3:32 pm

      I wonder how to measure and compare existential threats. Is couric a proper unit? Or is it better to use volume measurements, like pecks and bushels?

      Or some new unit is needed, say a sartre?

      • Shmuel
        Shmuel
        December 5, 2013, 5:07 pm

        Or some new unit is needed, say a sartre?

        Brilliant, piotr, but now you must define a “sartre” (SR?) Is it length-mass-time-based? Electrical? An entirely new base unit? We need a formula (preferably one with lots of Greek letters)!

      • Stephen Shenfield
        Stephen Shenfield
        December 6, 2013, 5:51 am

        First it is necessary to define the term “existential threat” in operational terms. I suggest creating a panel of policy makers and measuring various physiological changes (blood pressure, cranial pressure, perspiration etc.) associated with anxiety when they are suddenly confronted with an image of the “threat” (e.g. a sinister-looking ayatollah figure). True, this would only measure perceived existential threat, but as normally used the term has no objective referent. Though it does for individuals threatened by assassination, for instance. Risk of being assassinated could be measured if the necessary information is available.

      • piotr
        piotr
        December 6, 2013, 9:18 am

        Stephen,

        I agree with the idea of empirical approach, but not with details. First, the primary physiological effect is hyperventilating, so we could skip the rest of the measurements. Second, you do not have to be so “objective” about it because this is a social phenomenon, i.e. a tree that falls in the middle of the forest unnoticed cannot form an existential threat as nobody could hyperventilate about it.

        Thus we can restrict our empirical apparatus to text analysis. My impression is that this is phenomenon is exclusively related to Israel. For example, can lipsticks form an existential threat? They could increase intermarriage … Or high cost of white cheese? It could reduce the family size … Nevertheless, there are no texts with sentences putting “lipstick” (or “white cheese”) together with “existential threat”. But we can find lawfare, BDS and more generalized boogie of “delegitimization”, again a phenomenon (or textual entity) quite uniquely related to Israel.

        Interestingly, there is an effort to “define away” Palestinians but somehow they do not complain about “delegitimization”. I guess it would not do for them to complain in such obviously Israeli style.

    • seafoid
      seafoid
      December 6, 2013, 2:28 am

      That’s a great analysis by Diskin. Reminds me of what Brzezinski said. Doesn’t matter how disciplined the bots are . It’s going to crash.

      They built very weak State institutions in Israel. They have all been captured by vested interests.

      • piotr
        piotr
        December 6, 2013, 9:21 am

        My praise for Diskin would be more modest. This is the genre of timid statements that demand “bold steps” (quite safe, because it is hard to find a vocal opposition “we hate bold steps, we want timid politicians”). Including vague statements on the need of “clear borders”.

      • seafoid
        seafoid
        December 6, 2013, 10:07 am

        At least someone in Israel is thinking about the future.

  3. Woody Tanaka
    Woody Tanaka
    December 5, 2013, 10:34 am

    Of course Schumer would say this. He’s never hidden the fact that he is willing to abuse his office and his position in the service of an alien state. The fact that he is not a pariah in his own party for this is a great indictment of his fellows.

    • Chu
      Chu
      December 5, 2013, 1:46 pm

      The democratic party is afraid of him. He’s affiliated with AIPAC & big Wall Street money – and no doubt that big-mouth lets everyone know behind closed doors what the score is. Too bad such a greasy double-dealer could be be the next senate majority leader. It’s sad that American politics have to deal with the mess of Israel and it’s late blooming colonial project and it’s obsessive Zionists agents. He should walk the plank.

      • Woody Tanaka
        Woody Tanaka
        December 6, 2013, 8:29 am

        Agreed. The Democratic Party are a bunch of cowards when it comes to this issue (which is why I don’t support them as an organization) The fact that the party which is supposed to be on the “left” (whatever that means in the US) bends over backward for this bunch of racists tells you just how much the zionists have poisoned the well of American politics.

  4. pabelmont
    pabelmont
    December 5, 2013, 11:31 am

    America’s political system — in large part because of its long and expensive elections — which are themselves no accident, since they ENABLE the system of big-money oligarchs — makes harlots of most elective politicians. Necessarily.

    Schumer is not unusual. But he is (or makes himself out to be) a “true believer” rather than a run-of-the-mill harlot. Be nice if more Americans KNEW that Kerry criticized the settlements 9if he did) or their growth (as I believe he did).

  5. James Canning
    James Canning
    December 5, 2013, 1:43 pm

    We can expect Chuck Schumer to be full of cr*p when it comes to the illegal Jewish settlements in the West Bank. No surprise on that score, to John Kerry.

  6. James Canning
    James Canning
    December 5, 2013, 1:46 pm

    I think Obama would do Israel a signal service if he made sure at least one member of his team mentioned the illegal Jewish settlements in the West Bank, every day of the year.

  7. Justpassingby
    Justpassingby
    December 5, 2013, 1:48 pm

    Schumer can move outside of America since America isnt what he thinks of first obviously.

  8. Chu
    Chu
    December 5, 2013, 2:04 pm

    Kerry and Obama began to draw the conflict out into the daylight. That is something that Chuck is afraid of. He can criticize Kerry through back channels, but he will lose the more this topic bubbles to the surface.

    The ugly old Israel occupation lives to fight another decade, but the loser Zionists are shriveling up. American’s poll above shows that the US is not going to fight for a rotten occupier state since we’ve been on the wane from a poor 10 year military record, with a drained economy at home. Israel was useful during the cold war, now it’s value has diminished. It needs autonomy for its own benefit. It’s used the US government as a crutch for way too long. Obama can turn up the heat on them before he leaves office, as the last negotiations indicated he can make progress without the pro Zionists ruining the outcome.

    • seafoid
      seafoid
      December 6, 2013, 2:49 am

      The bots never thought America would weaken. They really do think history has finished and that human destiny culminated in Israel. Tsk tsk

  9. Krauss
    Krauss
    December 5, 2013, 2:23 pm

    Why would anyone be surprised?

    WASPs in America are the most a-political group around, especially on ethnic issues and Zionism is, after all, Jewish nationalism. Hughes is a follow-the-herd kind of yuppie WASP who has socially liberal views because he has to; he’s gay, and then on economic issues he’s a doctrinaire Clintonian.

    It’s the same thing with Jeff Bezos and the Washington Post. Bezos views it as a money-making machine.

    This is the fundamental difference between a WASP and a Jewish owner. Jews are, I think, marinated in political culture. We have to. We’ve been forced to. WASPs, on the other hand, have not traditonally needed that. They almost all lived and still live in countries where they form the dominant establishment.

    That’s why you see WASP billionares throwing cash on things like college football and other idiotic things. True, some on the left-end give a lot to stuff like the environment and animal causes, which is laudable, but the end result is the same. They, as a group, are so atomized that they never challenge ethnic politics when they see it, especially when it is a minority group that’s intolerant of another minority group(I’m talking about things in the American context), because the race-debate in the left has been so dominated by the typical “white=responsible for all racism, everyone else is more or less absolved”. This is my newest hobby horse; the failure of the left to police non-white gentile ethnic nationalism.

    I think that isn’t really a Jewish issue, as much as we like to obsess over those at this site, it’s more a cultural failure of the left to deal with these issues at all, to introduce nuance. And as such, when WASPy rich people like Bezos or Hughes come in, they have no platform, really, to challenge Zionism. Because as Jew, you can always use your minority status against them.

    And of course, besides WASPs and Jews, does any non-white person actually own any significant media outlet in the U.S.? WASP/Jews control the U.S. media so if you got those two populations under control(demanding loyalty from Jews and silence from WASPs), together with Christian Zionists like Rupert Murdoch, you’ve got yourself set.

    By the way, speaking of Sullivan, did you read the hit piece in “The Tower” against him? I didn’t, I saw it linked on Twitter, but I didnote that the author is a daily Forward contributor. Shows you the range of opinons when people like JJ Goldberg or Liam Hoare at the Forward are the “left” spectrum on the debate on Zionism within our community. Jewish Voice for Peace has 100,000 people on their mail list. I wonder if AJC or ADL has that many; I doubt it. Maybe they don’t even have one.

    • oneof5
      oneof5
      December 6, 2013, 12:56 am

      “Jewish Voice for Peace has 100,000 people on their mail list.”

      I just got my first newsletter from JVP … as an (older) registered Republican WASP I might be considered a “get” in terms of support 8-P … and hopefully a portent of things to come …

  10. Shingo
    Shingo
    December 5, 2013, 2:46 pm

    Kerry should tell Shumer’s constituents it was a mistake to elect him to the senate .

  11. amigo
    amigo
    December 5, 2013, 5:17 pm

    Nelson Madella Dies.

    The man who fought South Africa,s Apartheid Regime dies as Israel continues to tighten it,s Apartheid grip on the Palestinian People.

    The world has lost a great and brave man.He will be sadly missed.

    • Bumblebye
      Bumblebye
      December 5, 2013, 5:54 pm

      Probably the greatest world figure of my lifetime. The ANC was the only political party I’ve ever donated to, in the run-up to the first free elections there. bbcR4 even interrupted programming to bring the news! Very rare. Will be terribly missed.

  12. Talkback
    Talkback
    December 5, 2013, 5:57 pm

    Kerry didn’t criticize “settlements” but to “announce planning” to build settlements:

    How, if you say you’re working for peace and you want peace, and a Palestine that is a whole Palestine that belongs to the people who live there, how can you say we’re planning to build in a place that will eventually be Palestine? So it sends a message that perhaps you’re not really serious. If you announce planning, I believe it is disruptive to the process.
    http://www.timesofisrael.com/kerry-why-do-you-want-to-build-in-what-will-eventually-be-palestine/

  13. traintosiberia
    traintosiberia
    December 5, 2013, 6:55 pm

    Chuck Schumer says he came to this world to be the guardian of Isreal. He slams Iran deal. He thinks the settlement is something that should not be spoken in a way that confirms it to be setlement since it is directed by an US offcial against Israel .He thinks settlements are no obstacle to peace. He wants stronger Israeli lobby. He has said that Obama’s approach to settlements are counterproductive.He supports economic stragulation against Gazan .He cautions Palestine not to target Israel by pressing for statehood. He refuses to stand up for Hagel and sees him through the Israeli prism . He possibly endorses the rogue ,war monegring speeches at AIPAC( in 2008,by Ephraim Sneh who said ” The problem is the regime which is based on Islamist fascism. That is the problem. Now, the regime must be eliminated. It’s the regime that should be eliminated.” by ,”sanctions that would make it impossible for the regime to govern, to run their economy, to feed 70 million people”
    Schumer put pressure on Sr Bush over loan and settlement in 1991. His and ilk like him’s behavior encouraged behaviors of Shamir who told ” the Americans want us to talk with the Palestinians, we’ll talk. We can talk all they want. In the meantime, we’ll continue to build settlements. ” Yes the same settlements that Kerry and Obama were talking against .He labels Turkish attitude to Isarel as an expression of anti Americanism and threatens of negative impact on US Turkey and Turkey NATO relation.Schumer was most vocal in support of racist bigot Daniel Pipes . He supported Michael Mukasey , did not support Lamont against Liberman.Along the way he said ” “a vote against Bolton is a vote against Israel.”

    But one will be accused of antisemtism if these connected events are distilled to just one word to describe this senator that he is what he calims to be i.e The Guardian of Israel and American concerns come next or does not come at all.

    • James Canning
      James Canning
      December 6, 2013, 3:13 pm

      Train, I think Schumer may be incapable of comrehending the fact a deal between Iran and P5+1 actually is in Israel’s own true best interests. On the other hand, Schumer may be pretending not to comprehend this fact.

  14. Don
    Don
    December 5, 2013, 8:27 pm

    Isaac Chotiner…related to Murray Chotiner? (Nixon”s buddy)

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