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This is part of Marc H. Ellis’s “Exile and the Prophetic” feature for Mondoweiss. To read the entire series visit the archive page.

The hunt continues for the missing Israeli teenagers. The roundup of Palestinians also continues. More than 150 Palestinians have already been taken by Israel’s military. Have they, too, been kidnapped?

Interesting that the Israelis taken were on their way back from settlements where they study at yeshivas. I haven’t had a chance to look at the various course catalogs but I assume the yeshivas don’t specialize in interfaith dialogue. I doubt these yeshivas have majors in the Abrahamic faith traditions or cutting-edge programs in interfaith relations.

Yeshivas in the West Bank aren’t into Martin Buber.

The religion of the occupiers is always an imperialist one. Can it be any different for Judaism when its practitioners occupy another people?

The West Bank, and especially Hebron, is once again cordoned off and invaded by the Israeli military. In the situation of occupation, Jews traveling into and out of the West Bank are committing political acts.

This doesn’t mean that kidnapping is the civilized way of registering grievances. However, since the war against Palestinians is so devastating and ongoing, the weapons used by the weak cannot be dictated by the powerful.

Like suicide bombing, kidnapping is the weapon of the weak. One doesn’t have to condone such actions to understand this reality.

Israel isn’t a civilized occupier. In the way it acts toward Palestinians, Israel isn’t civilized at all.

Israel kidnaps Palestinians on a regular basis – including Palestinian government officials. For Israel, it is exercising a self-evident right. To dominate another people?

Secretary of State John Kerry is up in arms: How dare they! Yet the American record of invasion and yes – kidnapping – isn’t one to fall back on.

This is where we are as the Presbyterian debate on divestment begins. It’s an important moment but against this darkening military backdrop everyone knows important symbolism sometimes carries very little bite.

Perhaps the Presbyterians ought to be kidnapped. Someone should take hold of their minds and (portfolio) wallets. The largesse of their portfolio and their capitalist timidity to dole out anything but a pittance is a scandal.

Alms in the name of Jesus?

This is where we are. We have been here for decades. Stuck – with dire consequences.

Marc H. Ellis
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Marc H. Ellis is Professor of History and Jewish Studies and Director of the Center for the Study of the Global Prophetic. His latest book is Finding Our Voice: Embodying the Prophetic and Other Misadventures.

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  1. annie
    annie
    June 16, 2014, 10:11 am

    just thought i’d mention cnn had an interesting lede http://edition.cnn.com/2014/06/16/world/meast/west-bank-jewish-teens-missing/

    Jerusalem (CNN) — Israeli soldiers have so far detained more than 150 Palestinian suspects in the search for three teenagers who Israel says were kidnapped, the military announced Sunday.

    there’s still no confirmation a kidnapping occurred. and now fatah is saying they have the kids.

    • just
      just
      June 16, 2014, 10:17 am

      but annie– Netanyahu has already convicted Hamas and the other 150 Palestinians he’s kidnapped.

    • hophmi
      hophmi
      June 16, 2014, 10:34 am

      “there’s still no confirmation a kidnapping occurred.”

      And like clockwork, you play the role of useful idiot for the terrorist groups who kidnap children.

      And they are children, Annie. Two of them are 16.

      • justicewillprevail
        justicewillprevail
        June 16, 2014, 10:52 am

        Yes, shocking isn’t it. Unlike the IDF midnight raids kidnapping children and taking them away to jails without any charge or parental involvement. Like clockwork you repeat the same old tired blame game, neglecting the occupation and military punishment of ordinary citizens. Who are the terrorists here?

      • ohiojoes
        ohiojoes
        June 16, 2014, 10:55 am

        There have only ever been two sides to this issue: those who care about innocent lives, and those who do not.

      • Cliff
        Cliff
        June 16, 2014, 1:01 pm

        Ohiojoes.

        Israel kills 10 times the number of children in this conflict and regularly abuses them.

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius
        Maximus Decimus Meridius
        June 16, 2014, 11:08 am

        Yes, and one of them is nineteen. Old enough to vote and serve in the army. An adult.

        If you’ve got evidence that these ‘children’ were kidnapped by a ‘terrorist group’, I’d be genuinely interested to see it.

      • hophmi
        hophmi
        June 16, 2014, 11:20 am

        “Yes, and one of them is nineteen. Old enough to vote and serve in the army. An adult.”

        Your point? He wasn’t serving in the army when he was kidnapped.

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius
        Maximus Decimus Meridius
        June 16, 2014, 11:30 am

        ”Your point? He wasn’t serving in the army when he was kidnapped.”

        My point is that despite your trying to sentimentalise this by referring to ‘children’, one of the 3 men is by just about any definition an adult.

        And when you say ‘he wasn’t serving in the army when he was kidnapped’ can you a provide any evidence that he was kidnapped and b confirm that he is not currently an IDF conscript.

      • hophmi
        hophmi
        June 16, 2014, 11:38 am

        “can you a provide any evidence that he was kidnapped and b confirm that he is not currently an IDF conscript.”

        Doesn’t matter if he was or he wasn’t. There is no evidence that he was serving in the army when he was kidnapped.

        And once again, PLEASE let me know how celebrating the kidnapping of two children and one adult civilians helps the Palestinian cause.

      • Woody Tanaka
        Woody Tanaka
        June 16, 2014, 11:42 am

        “He wasn’t serving in the army when he was kidnapped.”

        No, but he was an adult with the legal right to move back behind the green line and chose not to do so but, instead, to remain a squatter on stolen Palestinians land. So if his abduction was military/political, it’s not like he’s an innocent. He’s an occupier and has accepted the risks of being a target.

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius
        Maximus Decimus Meridius
        June 16, 2014, 11:51 am

        ”Doesn’t matter if he was or he wasn’t.”

        It certainly does matter if he was or was not serving in the army at the time he was ALLEGEDLY kidnapped. Would you say there is a difference between the IDF abducting a Palestinian student, or a Palestinian serving in the Al Aqsa Brigades?

        ”There is no evidence that he was serving in the army when he was kidnapped.”

        There’s no evidence that he wasn’t, then, is there? You’ve changed your tune. Before you categorically said he was NOT in the army. Now you’re simply saying there’s ‘no evidence’ that he was.

        ”And once again, PLEASE let me know how celebrating the kidnapping of two children and one adult civilians helps the Palestinian cause.”

        You answer my question first. What is your evidence that these ‘civilians’ were kidnapped at all, and if so, that they were kidnapped by Palestinians?

        I’ve asked you twice already, and you just try to deflect. You’d almost think you don’t actually have any evidence, and are just parotting what bibi told you to parrot.

      • Woody Tanaka
        Woody Tanaka
        June 16, 2014, 11:51 am

        “Doesn’t matter if he was or he wasn’t. There is no evidence that he was serving in the army when he was kidnapped.”

        There’s no evidence he was kidnapped, either.

        “And once again, PLEASE let me know how celebrating the kidnapping of two children and one adult civilians helps the Palestinian cause.”

        Who said they’re civilians? As far as I can see, the 19 year old is an adult and is part of the occupation forces of the Zionist state, as are the 16 year olds’ parents. Not exactly innocents.

      • LuLu
        LuLu
        June 16, 2014, 12:28 pm

        @hophmi, whether they are 5, 19, 50 or 90.. Does not matter.. these are human lives. The point EVERYONE is making is provide the PROOF. You can not accuse people of doing a criminal act without providing proof. Lets not forget Hamas was a creation of the Zionist Government, and it back fired.
        Now what proof there is for kidnappings is this…

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzrAlX7rM_c

        My point is age does not matter, what matters is provide the proof.. All this is going to backfire on the Zionist Government… Not even my Govt. the US can save Israel and not even the nuclear weapons Israel has can save it. because it is no longer about stolen occupied lands, people all across the globe are focused on the Apartheid and oppression.
        THERE IS NO PROOF OF A KIDNAPPING… He called the police and reported the kidnapping, you think the “kidnappers” were going to allow this? really? it is called logic!

      • Kay24
        Kay24
        June 16, 2014, 11:17 am

        And like clockwork YOU play the role of useful idiot for the terrorist groups in IDF uniform, who kill children (2 recentry during the Nakba anniversary) and how about this:
        “Children taken from their homes in the night are blindfolded and bound and made to lie face down or up on the floors of military vehicles, according to the centre’s report.

        Very rarely are parents told where their child is being taken, and, unlike Israeli children from within either Israel or the settlements in the occupied West Bank, Palestinian minors are reportedly not allowed to have a parent present before or during initial interrogation, and generally do not see a lawyer until after their interrogation is over.

        Specifically, Israeli children have access to a lawyer within 48 hours and those under the age of 14 cannot be imprisoned. Palestinian children, however, can be jailed even if they are as young as 12 and, like adults, can be held in jail without having formal charges against them for up to 188 days.

        “The key issue is one of equality. If two children, a Palestinian and an Israeli, are caught throwing stones at each other, then one will be processed in a juvenile justice system and one in a military court,” Horton said.” AlJazeera.com

        They are ALL children too, as young as 12 yrs. They are helpless children Hophmi, there are around 500 kids thrown into Israeli dungeons, and Human Rights agencies say they are abused, forced to sign documents in Hebrew, and mistreated, unlike the Israeli kids, who most probably get candy and better “lodgings”. Show some concern for them too.

      • Abierno
        Abierno
        June 16, 2014, 3:52 pm

        Replying to LuLu: That phone call is worrisome – Israel has NSA/PRISM level surveillance – thus a phone call on the police hot line is not only recorded but GPS location is also available. But police do nothing for 1 hour, and the military nothing for 7 hours. A kidnapper who allows the victim their cell phone is probably too naïve to remove the sim card or
        other tracking aspects.
        Also, Israel has the capacity to search all previous West Bank cell calls. Finally, in 2011 Israel ordered a large number of Verichips, which are embedded in military persons for tracking. Is it possible that the 19 year old was embedded with one of those chips? Given the exceptional levels of tracking/information available to Israel it is hard to understand the need for house to house searches, massive arrests, lock downs. In an age of technology – particularly Israel which has created many of these technologies for surveillance, data mining and tracking, the lack of information as to the whereabouts of these youth is puzzling. Intelligence
        officials in Jordan and Lebanon are attributing this well timed disappearance of these youth to Mossad.

      • annie
        annie
        June 16, 2014, 4:02 pm

        Jordan and Lebanon are attributing this well timed disappearance of these youth to Mossad.

        really? do you have any links? because this is my hunch. of course i could be wrong. but it’s so normal for israel y hasbarists to apply the “throw everything against the wall and see what sticks approach” to their crimes it seems only fair we apply it.

      • just
        just
        June 16, 2014, 4:05 pm

        ” Intelligence officials in Jordan and Lebanon are attributing this well timed disappearance of these youth to Mossad.”

        They might just be on to something. Coupled with Mossad (& Shin bet) warnings of ‘kidnappings’ just days prior to the disappearance…it’s interesting to say the least. Your post brings up some powerful points, Abierno.

      • Denis
        Denis
        June 16, 2014, 8:23 pm

        annie: but it’s so normal for israel y hasbarists to apply the “throw everything against the wall and see what sticks approach” to their crimes it seems only fair we apply it.

        Um . . . annie. I think you’re being taken in here. That BS from “Abierno” suggesting he has info that this is a Mossad op is just him throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks, and you are the wall — and it is all freaking sticking. Just like your rumor that one of the kidnapped kids was special forces and another was a paratrooper.

        Maybe pull back a little bit here and try some of Aretha Franklin’s O-B-J-E-C-T-I-V-I-T-Y. Oh, hold on . . . I got the letters wrong. But you know what I mean — tighten up on your objectivity filter a bit so these clowns don’t take you for a ride.

        R-E-S-P-E-C-T, that’s the one. And I do.

      • annie
        annie
        June 16, 2014, 11:12 pm

        it is all freaking sticking. Just like your rumor that one of the kidnapped kids was special forces and another was a paratrooper.

        it’s not “my” rumor but a rumor i heard on twitter. and my point, in case you missed it, is that when an ambassador is allowed to go on national tv and make outlandish claims dead people are not dead and bandy around the term “pallywood” then ” throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks” is fair game.

        and “Denis” you claimed “Abierno” suggesting he has info that this is a Mossad op . which is untrue.

        Abierno said: Intelligence officials in Jordan and Lebanon are attributing this well timed disappearance of these youth to Mossad.

        that is not “suggesting” he has info that this is a Mossad op. it is “suggesting” Intelligence officials in Jordan and Lebanon are attributing this well timed disappearance of these youth to Mossad.

        Maybe pull back a little bit here and try some of Aretha Franklin’s O-B-J-E-C-T-I-V-I-T-Y.

        let me run over to the michael oren /blitzer thread an see if you were commenting about the MSM pulling back a little bit here and trying some of Aretha Franklin’s O-B-J-E-C-T-I-V-I-T-Y. otherwise, it may seem to some people like you’re applying a higher standard for MW comment section than CNN and michael oren! lol. your concern is noted tho.

      • annie
        annie
        June 16, 2014, 11:34 pm

        and one more thing denis. sometime detectives have been known to “follow the money” which sometimes means simply, who benefits from the crime. then look at who’s puffing out his chest and declaring he’s is soooo right about this unity government and justifying rounding up scores of hamas supporters and hamas officials that even the NYT claimed were not related to the crime and you tell me who’s garnering international sympathy right now.

        i don’t know who did it. i don’t even know (because there is no evidence) a kidnapping has been committed. what we have here is stuff being thrown against the wall, lots of speculation and very little fact in terms of the crime. lots of fact in terms of the fallout tho.

      • Walid
        Walid
        June 16, 2014, 11:06 pm

        It is amazing, Abierno, especially in light of Israel’s tracking know-how. There had to be something behind Israel’s house-to-house searches being concentrated in the Hebron area although the opportunity was used to bomb Gaza and hijack some Hamas people elsewhere on the WB.

      • Woody Tanaka
        Woody Tanaka
        June 16, 2014, 11:17 am

        “And like clockwork, you play the role of useful idiot for the terrorist groups who kidnap children.”

        Amd we all remember post after post by you, condemning the IOFers who murdered the two Palestinians on Nakba day… Oh, no, that’s right, you’re a f’ing hypocrite.

        “And they are children, Annie. Two of them are 16.”

        Yes, and they are men according to their religion. And while two are minors, one is not.

      • hophmi
        hophmi
        June 16, 2014, 11:36 am

        “they are men according to their religion.”

        Irrelevant and meaningless.

      • Woody Tanaka
        Woody Tanaka
        June 16, 2014, 11:53 am

        “Irrelevant and meaningless.”

        Relevant and meaningful, if the alternative label is “children.”

      • hophmi
        hophmi
        June 16, 2014, 12:50 pm

        “Relevant and meaningful, if the alternative label is “children.””

        Not in this world. I’ve never seen you make any kind of argument like that where Muslims are concerned. Hypocrite.

      • Woody Tanaka
        Woody Tanaka
        June 16, 2014, 1:00 pm

        “Not in this world. I’ve never seen you make any kind of argument like that where Muslims are concerned.”

        When have I ever condemned Israelis killing chilling when the deceased is a 19 years old and two 16 year old because they are “children”?? Nowhere. I would refer to the first as a man and the others as boys, because that’s what they are.

      • Taxi
        Taxi
        June 16, 2014, 12:29 pm

        If indeed they’re “children”, then how come their parents were allowing them to serial-hitchhike? I hear it’s the norm for settlers to hitchhike around (stolen) country roads and thoroughfares.

        There’s a serious case of child-neglect going on here too.

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius
        Maximus Decimus Meridius
        June 16, 2014, 1:11 pm

        I’ve asked Hophmi 3 times to provide evidence of a kidnapping by Palestinians.

        I think we can understand his silence to indicate that he has no such evidence, but like most Isralies is going to use these ‘children’ is a pretext to inflict further collective punishment on innocent Palestinians.

      • hophmi
        hophmi
        June 16, 2014, 1:19 pm

        “I’ve asked Hophmi 3 times to provide evidence of a kidnapping by Palestinians.”

        Alex Kane accepts the fact that they were kidnapped. That’s enough for me. I don’t need to disprove your ridiculous conspiracy theory that they weren’t really kidnapped or that they were kidnapped by other Israelis.

        But if you feel the need to continue to be a crazy person, please do so. Only you can be self-discrediting.

      • Woody Tanaka
        Woody Tanaka
        June 16, 2014, 1:52 pm

        “Alex Kane accepts the fact that they were kidnapped. That’s enough for me.”

        LOL. And if Alex Kane accepts the fact that Zionism = Racism or that Israel is an Apartheid State, would you accept that, too?? Or is only things that you really want to be true but can’t prove, for which Alex’s okay is sufficient for you??

        “I don’t need to disprove your ridiculous conspiracy theory that they weren’t really kidnapped or that they were kidnapped by other Israelis.”

        The positive claim is the one you’re putting forth: “they were kidnapped.” If you can’t prove it, then own up to it like a man, otherwise slink away…

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius
        Maximus Decimus Meridius
        June 16, 2014, 1:53 pm

        ”Alex Kane accepts the fact that they were kidnapped. That’s enough for me. ”

        And what evidence is Alex Kane basing this on? Do you always blindly believe people? If Alex Kane told you there was a man in the moon, would you believe that too?

        ”I don’t need to disprove your ridiculous conspiracy theory that they weren’t really kidnapped or that they were kidnapped by other Israelis.”

        You DO need to prove a theory you are advocating, however, although you’ve now admitted that you can’t. And btw I’m open to all possibities here. I don’t discount the possibility that they may have been kidnapped by Palestinians. It’s just that I’d like to see some solid evidence before a maurading army goes around invading people’s homes and arresting people in occupied territory. Yeah, maybe I’m ‘crazy’ like that. Who needs evidence when there’s a great pretext to beat up some more Palestinians, eh?

        And why do you think it a ”ridiculous conspiracy theory” that ”they were kidnapped by other Israelis”? The alleged kidnapping occurred in Israeli controlled territory. Is there some special Israeli gene that makes it impossible for them to kidnap other Israelis, unless they’re called Vanunu?

        Do you understand that you’ve just laid bare the extreme racism of Zionism?

      • annie
        annie
        June 16, 2014, 2:23 pm

        what i find amusing is oren being given a platform on national tv to cast doubt on whether dead bodies even exist* (when there’s all the proof in the world they do)and where was hops squawking about that? nada!!! and yet we want some evidence of a kidnapping and we get this aghast reaction, as if we should (and it’s totally normal) to lap up the words of a gov whose military spokespeople lies with impunity constantly as a matter of course and has been caught lying repeatedly. what a farce, what hypocrisy.

        *see CNN showed ‘blatant’ bias when Blitzer aired Oren saying 2 killed Palestinians may not be dead — Munayyer http://mondoweiss.net/2014/05/blatant-palestinians-munayyer.html

      • just
        just
        June 16, 2014, 3:34 pm

        Annie– that video is super!

        I’d not seen it before. (the cat is great!)

      • annie
        annie
        June 16, 2014, 3:51 pm

        it’s a classic just, don’t know how you could have missed it. i think we featured it on the front page at one time too. i love it, one of my favs of all time.

        ;) thanks for watching!

      • hophmi
        hophmi
        June 16, 2014, 4:42 pm

        Like most leftist “comedy”, it’s unironically stupid, amateurish, and unfunny. And it has 42,115. We Con the World, which is almost as unfunny, amateurish and stupid (if more accurate than your piece of garbage), has 2,655,872 views.

      • Denis
        Denis
        June 17, 2014, 10:12 am

        Oooookay, Tax. Now not only are we bashing the sh^t out of the victims, we’ll bash the sh^t out of their parents, too.

        And, by logical extension of your opinion, in those horrible kidnap cases like the Ariel Castro case in Cleveland where the victims disappear without a clue, we’ll blame the victims and their families b/c, hey, anybody but the actual kidnapper must be responsible.

        By characterizing teenagers hitch-hiking as “a serious case of child-neglect,” you indicate that you are totally out of touch with 1) what it means to be a teenager, and 2) what raising a teenager is all about. Sure, keep them locked in their bedrooms.

        You’re just looking for some way to deflect attention from the obvious: this was most likely a tit/tat for the Nakba killings. Even MK Hanin Zoabi has all but acknowledged that.

      • Zach S
        Zach S
        June 17, 2014, 10:29 am

        Very well said Denis, but don’t expect anyone to listen. Appeals to morality don’t work when speaking to people who don’t have any.

        I might add that if we’re going to hold the parents of children who are mistreated in Israel-Palestine accountable for those children who suffer, I can think of a few hundred child soldiers whose parents need a talking to. But we’re not allowed to criticize Palestinians here, as you well know.

      • Taxi
        Taxi
        June 17, 2014, 10:42 am

        Oooooookay Den. So then israeli society is “bashing the sh^t” out of the parents too? Take a look at the quotes below drawn from the NYT, dear:
        “But the abductions also have stirred more hushed debate over the conduct of Jewish settlers in the West Bank — particularly what many consider the cavalier practice of hitchhiking… Nitzan Nuriel, a former director of the counterterrorism bureau in the Israeli prime minister’s office, told Israeli television over the weekend that among the settlers, hitchhiking was also an ideology, a statement about who owns the disputed territory, which Palestinians and most of the world consider occupied.”
        http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/17/world/middleeast/abduction-of-young-israeli-hitchhikers-spurs-debate-on-conduct.html?_r=1

        I mean these kids are being taught by their parents that it’s ideological and “cavalier” to hitchhike at night in a war zone!!! Is this your personal approach to parenting too, Den? I hazard to guess that you’re a much more responsible parent than that, at least as far as hitchhiking is concerned.

        Call me whatever, Den, but I stick to my belief that it’s profoundly WRONG to allow/encourage your kids to hitchhike ANYWHERE in the world, let alone in a hostile neighborhood – even worse: in a volatile war zone.

      • Woody Tanaka
        Woody Tanaka
        June 17, 2014, 11:00 am

        “And, by logical extension of your opinion, in those horrible kidnap cases like the Ariel Castro case in Cleveland where the victims disappear without a clue, we’ll blame the victims and their families b/c, hey, anybody but the actual kidnapper must be responsible. ”

        That doesn’t even make any sense. The parents of the two minors are guilty because they brought their two underaged children to be occupiers of stolen land. There is absolutely no equivalent in the Castro case and you are grasping at straws to state otherwise. (The 19 year old is an adult and is fully responsible for his action in participating in the theft and occupation of stolen Palestinian land, so he has only himself to blame if his choice to participate in that crime led to injury to himself in retaliation for that crime.)

      • hophmi
        hophmi
        June 17, 2014, 12:26 pm

        Another argument I’ve never heard Woody make where Palestinian parents are concerned. Have you ever blamed the parents of a Palestinian kid who was permitted to go out and throw stones at Israeli soldiers? How about one who allowed their kid to strap on a suicide vest (and later celebrated when their kid murdered Israeli kids)?

      • Woody Tanaka
        Woody Tanaka
        June 17, 2014, 6:06 pm

        “Another argument I’ve never heard Woody make where Palestinian parents are concerned.”

        Pay better attention.

        “Have you ever blamed the parents of a Palestinian kid who was permitted to go out and throw stones at Israeli soldiers?”

        Acting in self-defense is not the same thing as participating in invasion and theft of someone else’s land. But I would blame such parents because although the child’s actions are clearly righteous in attacking the Israeli terrorist-in-uniform, as a moral matter, it is not in the child’s best interest.

        “How about one who allowed their kid to strap on a suicide vest (and later celebrated when their kid murdered Israeli kids)?”

        No, I don’t approve of children being attacked from either side, for any reason. They are not moral agents the way adults are, and each side has an obligation to those children. So I would condemn the situation you describe, just as I would condemn when the Israeli terrorists-in-uniform attack Palestinian children, shoot them for sport, use them as human shields, drop white phosphorus on them, bomb their apartment buildings, etc. I would also condemn it if a parent used their child as a weapon of war, such as the situation you describe, or even when the Israeli parents permitted their children to write message for bombs which were going to be dropped on Arab civilian targets.

        How about you, hoppy? Do you condemn settler parents for using their children as soldiers in the theft and occupation of Palestinian land in the settlements, or is it only when Arabs do something you don’t like that it’s a problem?

      • SQ Debris
        SQ Debris
        June 16, 2014, 10:19 pm

        Is hophmememe going to condemn the despicable terrorist acts of kidnapping 150 Palestinians from their homes over the last two days by the IOF? Is he going to condemn the despicable parents that send their children (illegally) into occupied territory? Maybe they aren’t “kidnapped,” just in detention for breaking international law. Like clockwork he writes about anything but a settlement of the root causes of the conflict. MW needs a slichectomy from this twisted sister.

    • amigo
      amigo
      June 16, 2014, 10:47 am

      “Jerusalem (CNN) — Israeli soldiers have so far detained more than 150 Palestinian suspects in the search for three teenagers who Israel says were kidnapped, the military announced Sunday.”

      So far it seems as if 150 minimum Palestinians were involved in this “alledged” kidnapping.

      My hope is , they were caught on camera in the process of committing “Price Tag” attacks and were arrested and taken somewhere safe because last time something similar happened , if I recall correctly, The Palestinians handed them over to Israeli authorities who then proceeded to set upon the Victims and the perpetrators were never charged.

      Won,t Israel be slightly embarrassed if it is proved their “Boys” are just your basic terroreeeest yesha thugs.

      I still cannot buy the storyline that one of them had the opportunity to call and claim he had been kidnapped 30 minutes after it allegedly occurred. Is the implication , that they were allowed to keep their phones and no one was watching them or just him???.

      Something stinks to high heaven here.Israel needs a distraction and an Intifada is just the ticket.No one who is still in control of his /her mind rejects the suggestion that Israel is above this level of criminality.

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius
        Maximus Decimus Meridius
        June 16, 2014, 11:13 am

        I said the same thing.

        These ‘terrorists’ were competent enough to seize 3 Israeli males in Israeli controlled territory – where Palestinians the IDF don’t like the look of get shot on sight – and are so skilled that they manage to disappear without trace, despite a huge manhunt and the fact that Palestinians can’t go from one town to the next in the West Bank without getting harrassed by the IDF.

        And yet these sooper dooper terrorist masterminds didn’t think to take a mobile phone off one of their victims? And were so relaxed about the whole thing that they allowed him not only to dial a number, but let the police know he’d been kidnapped? And the same police, who don’t hesitate to break into Palestinian homes and kidnap their occupants on the slimmest of pretexts, do nothing about the call for several hours?

        Nah, not buying it.

    • Kris
      Kris
      June 16, 2014, 5:50 pm

      Annie, this is off topic, but I have to leave for work and I can’t stand it! Just heard Emily Harris on NPR’s “All Things Considered” give one of the most misleading and biased (in favor of Israel) reports EVER. For example, Harris mentions that the Palestinians are upset over a “certain kind of detention.”

      WHAT? Could that be detention without charges or trial? Harris doesn’t say. The whole report is like that. Could Mondoweiss please do a story about how loathesome and Israeli propaganda tool NPR has become?

  2. W.Jones
    W.Jones
    June 16, 2014, 10:19 am

    The largesse of their portfolio and their capitalist timidity to dole out anything but a pittance is a scandal. Alms in the name of Jesus?

    I sympathize with you, Marc, however I don’t know how the PCUSA fund works. People donate into the fund, but is it the fund for running the PCUSA’s expenses, or is it just an investment fund like hundreds of thousands of others in America that any member of the public, or any Presbyterian can invest in?

    The PCUSA does have charity portfolios specifically dedicated to humanitarian causes. They have one for helping people in the Middle East. Those portfolios do not return money to the benefactors.

    Should the church be allowed to have an investment fund? I think so. A portion of it can go to charities and the rest could be put in socially conscious businesses, like cooperatives. If that were done, its return would not be as high, but it would still be worth it.

  3. Mayhem
    Mayhem
    June 16, 2014, 10:31 am

    So Mondowiess’ resident Jewish apologist Marc Ellis has been called upon to cobble together some more ambiguous pseudo-sympathetic words about these innocent teenagers whom he is now willing to say have been kidnapped when before they were merely ‘missing’.
    I had posted elsewhere on MW (refer
    http://mondoweiss.net/2014/06/think-didnt-invade.html/comment-page-1#comment-673734)
    about this event and at that stage there had not been a word said about this sordid affair.
    Can someone tell me that what I have said in my post is not validated by this disgusting cartoon that appeared on Fatah’s Facebook page
    http://www.algemeiner.com/2014/06/15/mahmoud-abbass-fatah-celebrates-teen-kidnappings-with-hateful-cartoons/fatah-kids/
    And while Israel searched for the abducted teens, Palestinian Authority Chief’s Wife, Amina Abbas, apparently underwent treatment at Tel Aviv Hospital. This illustrates a fundamental difference in the morality on both sides of the conflict – there are those who hand out candy when they kidnap children, and there are those who provide medical care for family members of their enemy.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius
      Maximus Decimus Meridius
      June 16, 2014, 10:44 am

      ”he is now willing to say have been kidnapped when before they were merely ‘missing’.”

      Not sure why he is, since there’s no evidence the settlers were kidnapped, much less that they were kidnapped by Palestinians. Unless you can provide any such evidence?

      ”This illustrates a fundamental difference in the morality on both sides of the conflict – there are those who hand out candy when they kidnap children, and there are those who provide medical care for family members of their enemy.”

      What’s striking about Hasbara is that it never changes. And it never makes sense. This isn’t the NYT here. You need to up your game. Why is Hasbara Central sending Z-listers here? Or is that all they’ve got?

      • Zach S
        Zach S
        June 16, 2014, 4:00 pm

        Not sure why he is, since there’s no evidence the settlers were kidnapped

        “Settlers?” Only one of them is a settler. And I should remind you that the Israeli police received a phone call from one and multiple terror groups have taken responsibility for their abduction. Not to mention of course there children who haven’t been seen for days. But I guess here in MondoLand you guys have different definitions of what is and is not evidence.

      • annie
        annie
        June 16, 2014, 4:07 pm

        multiple terror groups have taken responsibility for their abduction

        so do you think they all collaborated together? is that your theory?

      • Zach S
        Zach S
        June 16, 2014, 4:12 pm

        so do you think they all collaborated together? is that your theory?

        They sure didn’t plead innocence. Maximus was mistaken when he said that there was “no evidence” that the three children were abducted.

      • annie
        annie
        June 16, 2014, 9:20 pm

        so that would be a yes, you think they all did it. interesting. because it occurred to we’ve got some unwarranted clamoring to take credit for pulling it off.

        i don’t agree with you that Maximus was mistaken. thus far, there’s simply no evidence who committed the crime.

      • just
        just
        June 16, 2014, 4:18 pm

        “But I guess here in MondoLand you guys have different definitions of what is and is not evidence.”

        rotflmao in disgust! Zach, you spent so much time and energy denying the evidence and reality of the shooting of Palestinians by your thugs, that you give new meaning to pot, kettle, black!

      • Woody Tanaka
        Woody Tanaka
        June 16, 2014, 4:30 pm

        ““Settlers?” Only one of them is a settler. ”

        They all go to a religious indoctrination center in the occupation settlement of Kfar Etzion. They’re all, therefore, settlers.

        “But I guess here in MondoLand you guys have different definitions of what is and is not evidence.”

        Yeah, Zach, and you’re the guy who refused to believe the IOF goons murdered the Palestinian boys even when it was recorded on video. Oh, that’s right, they’re not Jews so they’re not really human to the likes of you. Different rules of evidence when the victims (if these males are, in fact, victims) are Jews, I guess, huh?

      • Woody Tanaka
        Woody Tanaka
        June 16, 2014, 4:37 pm

        “multiple terror groups have taken responsibility for their abduction”

        LMAO. Oh, and notice what group has not — Hamas — so I guess you better go beat up on the Israelis for kidnapping all those Hamas officials and wasting time concentrating on them rather than on our little lost sheep, er, rather, valiant Zionist intrepid explorers…

      • Cliff
        Cliff
        June 16, 2014, 4:45 pm

        @ zachs troll

        If multiple grps have taken credit, name them. Is one of them Hamas? The PA?

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius
        Maximus Decimus Meridius
        June 16, 2014, 5:38 pm

        @zach

        ”“Settlers?” Only one of them is a settler.”

        All of them were studying on occupied land, so they’re all complicit in the occupation.

        ‘I should remind you that the Israeli police received a phone call from one ‘

        Remind us? We’ve all been wondering how these terrorist masterminds would allow their victim to make a phone call, or about how the Israelis were so concerned about their safety that they didn’t bother to follow up the call for several hours.

        ” Not to mention of course there children who haven’t been seen for days.”

        Yes. Nineteen year old ‘children’. And you’re right, it’s 3 days since they’ve gone missing. Yet still no claim of responsiblity? No ransom demand? No trace of the ‘abductors’, in this most heavily surveiled region?

        But forgive us for still looking for something as eccentric as evidence.

      • talknic
        talknic
        June 16, 2014, 5:59 pm

        Zach S “Only one of them is a settler”

        They were all illegally in non-Israeli territory.

        “And I should remind you that the Israeli police received a phone call from one”

        Weird in that A) the police didn’t act on it immediately by the location of the call! and B) the alleged kidnappers allowed them a call without giving a reason or a demand

        ” and multiple terror groups have taken responsibility for their abduction”

        Says who?

        “Not to mention of course there children “

        Under Israeli law adulthood starts at 18yrs for Israelis, at 16 for occupied Palestinians.

        “who haven’t been seen for days. “

        Thus far no evidence has been shown of who did the deed dude.

        “But I guess here in MondoLand you guys have different definitions of what is and is not evidence”

        Accusations are not evidence

      • Cliff
        Cliff
        June 17, 2014, 8:01 am

        @zach s

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23Ap2KmzWLM

        Look, it’s your apartheid defense forces kidnapping a kid.

        Where’s your moral outrage, troll?

    • justicewillprevail
      justicewillprevail
      June 16, 2014, 10:54 am

      You would have more credibility if you had shown the slightest interest in all children who are brutalised, terrorised and traumatised for life in this area, most of whom are of course Palestinian. Like Bibi and all the whinnying apologists you are rubbing your hands at the opportunity to push your vacuous, one-sided tissue of lies and propaganda. Great opportunity to exploit those poor kids, with your selective caring for those fortunate enough to have, in your view, the ‘correct’ parents.

    • amigo
      amigo
      June 16, 2014, 10:56 am

      “So Mondowiess’ resident Jewish apologist Marc Ellis has been called upon to cobble together some more ambiguous pseudo-sympathetic words about these innocent teenagers whom he is now willing to say have been kidnapped when before they were merely ‘missing’.” mayhem

      Sot of reminds one of your approach to the episode involving the shooting three Palestinian children , two of whom were murdered.

      Have not noticed you retracting your claim that it was all a Pallywood production now that the autopsy showed otherwise.

      Besides , no one knows yet if they were kidnapped or by whom, unless you are relying on a renowned liar and all around criminal such as nietanyahu.

    • LeaNder
      LeaNder
      June 16, 2014, 1:15 pm

      Mayhem,
      Tin eye search of the Algemeiner antisemitic cartoon

      Algemeiner picked it up on Fatah’s Facebook Site? Well then tineye should be able to trace it. It: Searched over 5.489 billion images with zero results. How comes?

    • lyn117
      lyn117
      June 16, 2014, 8:29 pm

      Contrary to your assertion that Israel provides medical care for family members of their enemy, the P.A. and Abbas in particular have always been Israel’s friend.

      As for Israel providing medical care other Palestinians from the occupied territories, such has often been accompanied by requirements that they become informers to the Israeli military. Which likely Abbas qualifies as.

  4. wondering jew
    wondering jew
    June 16, 2014, 11:55 am

    Regarding the speculations about what occurred or did not occur: Allan Sherman once sang, “good advice costs nothing and it’s worth the price.” In this case speculations cost nothing and they’re worth the price.

    Fact: the day after the facts will be known: 1. There will be no apologies from those who speculated falsely. And 2. the hardcore will still disbelieve the facts as presented at that time.

    Another fact: Michael Oren and the others in their reaction to the murder of the two Palestinian youths on Nakba day set the bar real low. Speculation by someone who was once an ambassador and now works as a CNN consultant certainly ought to be up to a certain level of responsibility and it was not, so therefore the denizens of this comments section are permitted to be as irresponsible as Oren.

    I read Amos Harel in Haaretz and I depend on his writing and he writes about Hamas in Hebron. The failure to ask for ransom proves nothing. Those who kidnapped are intent on causing anguish and in not getting captured. I trust Amos Harel’s speculations rather than the amateurs in the MW comments section.

    There is no rule of law in the West Bank. If a kidnapping had occurred in Israel, closure of a city and mass arrests would not be allowed by Israeli law, but because there is military law imposed on the Palestinians, therefore mass arrests and closures are “expected”. Until one state or two states it would be preferable to apply Israeli law to the west bank, so that the west bank Palestinians would have the same protection under the law as Israelis do, but this will not soon be the fact and most people here would be opposed to cosmetic changes to the occupation, anything less than full liberation and so a more lawful occupation that includes one law, civil law, for all the residents will be opposed by the MW comments section.

    • wondering jew
      wondering jew
      June 16, 2014, 12:45 pm

      The idea of revenge is covered by Gideon Levy and by one other in Haaaretz. Levy says that it is the only way of communicating pain to the Israelis. the other writer says that the Palestinians will only win with support of the west and this requires a type of moral superiority that is not required of the strong and thus the kidnapping is a setback to the cause.

      Since most people here adhere to the idea that it will be the west rather than Israelis who will be the cause of the change, then those who speak fondly of this act of violence are placing priority on “communicating” with Israelis rather than liberating the Palestinians.

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius
        Maximus Decimus Meridius
        June 16, 2014, 12:47 pm

        ”thus the kidnapping is a setback to the cause.”

        Despite the fact that, 3 days on, there’s still not a shred of evidence that the settlers were kidnapped, let alone that they were kidnapped by Palestinians.

        But carry on regardless.

      • eljay
        eljay
        June 16, 2014, 1:01 pm

        >> … the other writer says that the Palestinians will only win with support of the west and this requires a type of moral superiority that is not required of the strong and thus the kidnapping is a setback to the cause.

        This is akin to telling the rape victim to stop slapping the rapist – even as he continues to keep her chained in his basement and to rape her – because only by being “morally superior” will she get the backing of the police and the judicial system.

        The Palestinians have been morally superior to – and in a morally-superior position to – the Israelis since the supremacist “Jewish State” project of aggression, oppression, theft, colonization, destruction, torture and murder began over 60 years ago.

        It doesn’t give the Palestinians the right to kidnap civilians, but when the f*ck will people stop making excuses for hateful and immoral supremacists just because they’re Jewish?

      • just
        just
        June 16, 2014, 2:49 pm

        “The Palestinians have been morally superior to – and in a morally-superior position to – the Israelis since the supremacist “Jewish State” project of aggression, oppression, theft, colonization, destruction, torture and murder began over 60 years ago.”

        Very true. I am amazed and humbled by their forbearance and fortitude in the face of Israel’s deliberate cruelty. They have a long history of truly turning the other cheek– my head spins at the very idea of it.

      • Woody Tanaka
        Woody Tanaka
        June 16, 2014, 1:02 pm

        “Levy says that it is the only way of communicating pain to the Israelis. the other writer says that the Palestinians will only win with support of the west and this requires a type of moral superiority that is not required of the strong and thus the kidnapping is a setback to the cause.”

        Levy is right that Israelis only understand violence, death and force. The fallacy of the other writer is in the notion that the “moral superiority” that they are talking about will do nothing to alter the criminal path of the Zionists. Moral persuasion means nothing to them, and they are more likely to simply steal more land and oppress more Palestinians, with the only difference being that they don’t suffer the casualties they richly deserve.

      • amigo
        amigo
        June 16, 2014, 1:03 pm

        “Since most people here adhere to the idea that it will be the west rather than Israelis who will be the cause of the change, then those who speak fondly of this act of violence are placing priority on “communicating” with Israelis rather than liberating the Palestinians.” Yonah fredman.

        No one here knows yet who perpetrated this act of violence.

        Are you with holding evidence .If so , please do share.

        By the way, who here spoke fondly of this act.If you read most of the posts, you will notice that many of us believe it is the work of the GOI.

        The unbearable heaviness of Being an oppressive colonialist Apartheid Rogue Regime.

      • wondering jew
        wondering jew
        June 16, 2014, 4:56 pm

        I assume that it was a kidnapping. I do not seek to prove that to you. If you wish to argue with my assumption, then kindly disregard my words and we will avoid an argument.

        The article is written by Oudeh Basharat and here is its link: http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.598925

        It is behind a paywall. Here is its essence: “Just methods are required for a just opposition. Believe it or not small nations cannot allow themselves the luxuries of large nations, such as brutality and contempt for morality. Moral struggle is the strongest weapon a weak oppressed people possesses.”

        If you disagree with this statement, explain why. If you agree with this statement, then of necessity you would see the kidnapping as a setback to the cause.

      • Woody Tanaka
        Woody Tanaka
        June 16, 2014, 5:10 pm

        “Just methods are required for a just opposition.”

        Yes, but what is required for an effective opposition. THAT is the question. Since the Israelis refuse to act in a just manner (indeed, that refusal is the heart of the conflict), one must first determine whether this proffered “just opposition” would be effective. If not, then insisting that the Palestinians act in this manner, when the Israelis do not, is improperly handcuffing them (unless, again, it is an effective tactic. But is it?)

        “Moral struggle is the strongest weapon a weak oppressed people possesses.”

        And if it is not strong enough to bring success, then perhaps something else will. (Or, when you go down, you’ll take a bunch of them down with you.)

      • eljay
        eljay
        June 16, 2014, 5:29 pm

        >> Believe it or not small nations cannot allow themselves the luxuries of large nations, such as brutality and contempt for morality.

        “Jewish State” enjoys the luxury of brutality and contempt for morality. Congratulations on making it to the big leagues.

        >> Moral struggle is the strongest weapon a weak oppressed people possesses.

        Interesting. And yet Jews – a weak oppressed people – chose instead to engage in terrorism, ethnic cleansing, land theft, occupation, colonization, destruction, torture and murder. Perhaps the advice only applies to a weak oppressed people struggling against Jews?

      • amigo
        amigo
        June 17, 2014, 8:46 am

        “If you disagree with this statement, explain why. If you agree with this statement, then of necessity you would see the kidnapping as a setback to the cause.” yonah fredman

        I repeat, we do not know if it is a kidnapping .

  5. amigo
    amigo
    June 16, 2014, 11:59 am

    This might sounds a bit far fetched but this is Israel we are dealing with.

    What,s the bets these three are waiting for the order to accompany IDF thugs, (either altogether or separately”)on their raids and will be rescued by the brave soldiers from some poor unsuspecting and innocent Palestinian home/homes.

    The perfect end to a perfect crime.

    The only problem is how to formulate the case against the “accused”who claims he was no where near the illegal squats .Not too worry, a few carefully placed fingerprints and some backup lies from the so called “kid-nappy,s”and case closed.Oh , I forgot to add, a few beatings and a measure of torture to enhance the chances of a confession.

    Walla.

    More of Israel,s commitment being to most moral and a beacon of light to the rest of we Jew haters.

    • Woody Tanaka
      Woody Tanaka
      June 16, 2014, 12:13 pm

      “Walla.”

      Sorry to be so pedantic and only because it is a pet peeve of mind… this should be “voilà”

      • Taxi
        Taxi
        June 16, 2014, 12:47 pm

        “Walla” is Arabic for ‘god be my witness’, or ‘for sure’, or something to this effect. But it should really be spelled ‘wallah’.

        Israelis like to use “wallah” and “yallah” (Arabic for ‘come on/let’s go’) and all the Arab cuss words under the sun. And the Arabic word ‘salam’? You guessed it – the ‘S’ word is not popular with israeli zionists.

      • Woody Tanaka
        Woody Tanaka
        June 16, 2014, 1:06 pm

        ““Walla” is Arabic for ‘god be my witness’, or ‘for sure’, or something to this effect. But it should really be spelled ‘wallah’.”

        Interesting. I did not know that. Appreciate the lesson.

      • amigo
        amigo
        June 16, 2014, 12:51 pm

        “Sorry to be so pedantic and only because it is a pet peeve of mind… this should be “voilà” Woody

        “Sorry to be so pedantic and only because it is a pet peeve of mind…this should be “mine”.

        Old saying amongst tradesman.

        Measure twice…cut once.

        Anyway – Go raibh mait agut for the French lesson.

        .

      • Woody Tanaka
        Woody Tanaka
        June 16, 2014, 1:06 pm

        LOL Touché!! I actually double checked to be sure I didn’t slip an “n” in and spell it “pendantic,” then I skipped the rest of it and missed that typo.

      • amigo
        amigo
        June 16, 2014, 1:32 pm

        “LOL Touché!! I actually double checked to be sure I didn’t slip an “n” in and spell it “pendantic,” then I skipped the rest of it and missed that typo.”Woody.

        Remember, 3 strikes and your out.

      • Woody Tanaka
        Woody Tanaka
        June 16, 2014, 1:58 pm

        “Remember, 3 strikes and your out.”

        Not too strikes? How about for strikes?

      • CloakAndDagger
        CloakAndDagger
        June 16, 2014, 2:26 pm

        @amigo
        Remember, 3 strikes and your out.

        –> You’re out

      • Walid
        Walid
        June 16, 2014, 3:00 pm

        Sticking with pedantics and other useless information that will never buy you a cup of coffee, “voilà” as used in your post as an exclamation, is normally followed by an exclamation mark. Voilà! The word is rooted in 2 words “voi” from “voir” to see and “là: there, or “see there”. As an ending as you used it, it could be translated as “there you go.” An exclamation mark gives it a dramatic kick. To add to Taxi’s good explanation, “w’allah” is a shortcut for “wa hayat Allah” meaning ” by God’s life”, a shortcut for “I swear by God’s life” in itself an absurd statement somewhat of a “may God strike me down if I’m lying” to sound really convincing by putting one’s life on the line. Those that use it profusely are generally the biggest liars. The nicest sounding of the many Allah tags, is “mashallah” that’s pronounced very slowly and dramatically with a Texas-like drawl that means “praise-be to God” used to express great amazement at exceptional beauty, talent or accomplishment and often used here by seafoid sarcastically to amplify the demerits of the failed Zionist enterprise.

      • lysias
        lysias
        June 16, 2014, 5:21 pm

        Don’t forget inşallah (which I spell that way because I know it from Turkish).

        You may be interested in this from Gillian Tett’s column in last weekend’s Financial Times:

        Interestingly, these distinctions persist even when everyone is speaking English. And Meyer argues that they affect numerous aspects of institutional life: how managers give feedback to their staff, exercise authority, express dissent or build trust. Thus in some countries it is normal to use “upgrader” (reassuring) comments when delivering criticism; in others, not. In places such as the US and UK, it is important to finish meetings by clearly summing up the key points; but in France meetings can just end with an ambiguous “Et voilà!”. “I couldn’t help wonder, ‘but voilà what?’” Meyer quotes a British investor saying after one such occasion in Paris. “My French colleagues simply know what has been decided without going through all the levels of clarification that we are used to in the UK.”

  6. Kate
    Kate
    June 16, 2014, 12:17 pm

    Mayhem: “So Mondowiess’ resident Jewish apologist Marc Ellis has been called upon to cobble together some more ambiguous pseudo-sympathetic words about these innocent teenagers whom he is now willing to say have been kidnapped when before they were merely ‘missing’. I had posted elsewhere on MW (refer
    link to mondoweiss.net) about this event and at that stage there had not been a word said about this sordid affair.”
    Your link goes to a post on the 15th June, while on the 14th my 3-times-a-week compilation of news from Palestine http://mondoweiss.net/2014/06/pressure-delays-settlement.html had included 5 articles on the subject – under the heading ‘3 Israeli teenagers missing in West Bank’. Not a word said on Mondoweiss about ‘this sordid affair’? Apparently you don’t read the news compilations.

    • just
      just
      June 16, 2014, 12:31 pm

      “Apparently you don’t read the news compilations.”

      Of course he/she doesn’t. Truth is anathema to some of the ‘visitors’ here.

  7. jenin
    jenin
    June 16, 2014, 12:21 pm

    this is the second day in a row the NY Times has run a front page article about this. Where were the front page articles about the two teenage boys killed by Israeli soldiers? or the discovery that live ammunition was in fact used? and funny now how the Zionists are now so eager to blame the Palestinians for this in the absence of any evidence, when in fact there is no such evidence…but they went to great lengths to argue that there was no conclusive evidence that those boys were shot by Israeli soldiers. When in fact there was far more evidence that IDF soldiers shot those boys than that Palestinians kidnapped these young men.
    and only imagine if 150 Israelis had been arrested for the shooting of those boys! the hypocrisy…it’s simply unbearable

    • just
      just
      June 16, 2014, 12:34 pm

      It was the shots not heard ’round the world. ;(

      On the other hand, the missing teens coverage is of biblical proportions.

    • Kay24
      Kay24
      June 16, 2014, 12:58 pm

      Even CNN (despite their own folks video taping it) gave the murders of 2 Palestinian kids less coverage, than the endless mentions and ticker running about these 3 Israeli kids. We know nothing about this kidnapping right now, but we know that 2 kids were brutally killed by cowards during the Nakba anniversary. Blitzer also did his little bit to give Israel a lot of time by interviewing it’s ambassador, to lie like with a straight face, and no one to refute those lies. I am sick of the US media, and the way they operate.

  8. Woody Tanaka
    Woody Tanaka
    June 16, 2014, 12:35 pm

    “Where were the front page articles about the two teenage boys killed by Israeli soldiers?”

    Nowhere. Those boys weren’t Jews. So as far as the Times is concerned, the whole mess goes into the memory hole.

    • Kay24
      Kay24
      June 16, 2014, 1:01 pm

      WT, it is obvious to the US media, and even up to Congress, the lives of the Palestinians are NOTHING, is not worth a mention, nor is it worth standing up to Israel for, and criticizing them with the truth.

    • jenin
      jenin
      June 16, 2014, 5:04 pm

      I find this struggle so much more difficult due to the media’s distortion of the issue. It is so hard to combat the notion that all Palestinians are violent terrorists who simply want to kill innocent civilians when the media in this country continues to perpetuate that idea. As an example, my friend is dating a right-wing Israeli. She is pretty left-wing generally and used to be somewhat reasonable on the issue, albeit not very knowledgeable, but apparently under his influence she has become very pro-Israeli. She uses the same logic he has tried to use with me (that Muslims and Arabs just all hate Jews and want to kill them for no reason), and gives as examples situations like this. Of course she hasn’t even heard about the Palestinian teenagers who were shot, and if I tell her, she seems to think I’m misleading her (i.e. there was “more to the story” because of course the IDF wouldn’t just shoot two innocent boys). She also says that I’m just trying to excuse the violence on the part of Arabs and Muslims, and demonizing the Israelis. I have no idea how someone with a graduate degree from a prestigious institution can fail to see the difference between violence by the oppressed against the oppressor, and violence by the oppressor. But apparently, the Zionist propaganda machine is so successful it can blind intelligent people to the most obvious truths. Needless to say, our friendship has taken quite a hit.

  9. Taxi
    Taxi
    June 16, 2014, 2:59 pm

    Dear l’il israel,

    Unless you change your despicable behavior towards Palestinian christians and Palestinian moslems, you will always live in radical fear. Self created.

    All your ill-gotten gains are the very source of your fear – you have no one but yourselves to blame. This is the global sentiment du jour regarding israel and israelis.

    Really, you have two choices left: die in fear, or, like dear old Phil Weiss said the other day: “Let it go”.

    There is no third option.

    So what’s it gonna be?

  10. Cliff
    Cliff
    June 16, 2014, 4:46 pm

    Palestinian kids are regularly abused and kidnapped by the IDF Nazis. Not a peep from the Ziotrolls here.

    In fact, Ziotrolls just deny that the IDF abuses kids.

  11. talknic
    talknic
    June 16, 2014, 6:04 pm

    Has anyone noticed how inept and technically backward the Jewish state is ?

    Israeli police haven’t got the ability to locate where a mobile call comes from? AMAZING!

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius
      Maximus Decimus Meridius
      June 16, 2014, 6:17 pm

      Exactly!

      The Israelis want us all to think they’re this major high-tech ‘start up nation’ which can attack targets with pin-point accuracy. Now, anyone who’s seen their bombardment of Gaza knows that isn’t true, but now they’re making it plain that their much vaunted domestic intelligence ain’t all that.

      So these lads go missing in an area entirely under the control of the IDF and vanish without a trace? Even though the kidnappers were daft enough to let them use a mobile phone, the tech savvy Israelis couldn’t trace it? Or maybe they were just enjoying the World Cup and couldn’t be bothered to try, just as they weren’t bothered to take action on the emergency call for several hours? And 3 days on, in a territory riddled with spies, collaborators and Israeli soldiers and police – as well as sophisticated surveillance technology – they haven’t got the faintest clue where the ‘boys’ are?

      Either this is a stitch-up or Israeli ‘intelligence’ isn’t what they’d like us to think it is.
      Possibly both.

    • a blah chick
      a blah chick
      June 16, 2014, 9:46 pm

      Well, maybe they were so busy trying to find those missing Nigerian girls that they got caught short. By the by has there been any coverage of those girls since all this tumult began?

  12. Taxi
    Taxi
    June 17, 2014, 12:04 am

    Here’s my take today:

    Arabic-speaking thespian mosadists kidnapped the three settlers and right now they’re ‘performing’ for them, using severe verbal abuse and a little box on the ear here and there, just how cruel and unhinged Arab “terrorists” really are. Soon, Shin Bet will swamp the kosher cage in the kosher basement and heroically rescue the settlers while the “terrorists”, unfortunately, somehow manage to flee. The poor freed settlers will then earnestly tell the TV cameras of the world all about the horrors of even being in the same room as Arabs.

    Meanwhile, Netanyahu will use this to try and f*ck up Palestinian unity, arrest more political prisoners, and commit all other obvious and vile sundries.

    (I should be a Hollywood TV screenwriter for Homeland’s competition heh-heh-heh).

    • Walid
      Walid
      June 17, 2014, 4:26 am

      Great take, Taxi.

    • Bumblebye
      Bumblebye
      June 17, 2014, 6:32 am

      They can’t have been Arabic speaking Taxi – going by the attempted emergency call that was dismissed by Israeli police as a ‘crank call’. If Israeli police had heard Arabic in the background when the call was aborted, they’d have 100% taken it seriously.

      • Taxi
        Taxi
        June 17, 2014, 6:47 am

        Bumble,

        Whom are you referring to when you say “they can’t have been Arabic speaking”?

        I’m seeing kafieh-masked mosad speaking in fluent Arabic, Palestinian accent and all.

        * * * *

        Professional agents wouldn’t have been speaking while turning a blind eye to their captive’s quick whisper of ‘help’ into their cellphone. The script would already pre-configured, step by measured step, including the sneaked phonecall.
        “By way of deception, thou shalt do war” – mosad motto.

      • piotr
        piotr
        June 17, 2014, 7:12 am

        Actually, it is possible that it was a crank call and the poor boys are hiding in an apartment of a friend, too terrified to show up with after the prank succeeded way beyond their teen imagination. Police should investigate all their contacts (perhaps they did?).

        Allegedly, they called at 10:30 at night, but I did not read when they left home. Hitching at night is futile at best, unless you can talk to drivers in a well lit place, say at a gas station (I do not know particulars in Israel, but elsewhere, I would seriously advise against trying to hitchhike at night or to pick hitchhikers at night). So where they were when they were nabbed? Why still away from their destinations, which were different? Why still together? It really asks for some unusual scenario. I would not think that Shin Beth could do it (easier said than done). Prank is a possibility, a prank getting horribly wrong is another (say, an attempt of “price tag”, vigilantes could catch them and beat them too much to reveal it, but as they were catching them, one could run away and have few seconds to make a call).

  13. Taxi
    Taxi
    June 17, 2014, 1:06 am

    We all know the commendable degree of zionist humanitarianism. They are such lofty masters at peaceful conflict resolution:
    “Kill a Palestinian “every hour,” says new Israeli Facebook page”:
    http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/patrick-strickland/kill-palestinian-every-hour-says-new-israeli-facebook-page

    Daa’ish much?

  14. piotr
    piotr
    June 17, 2014, 6:56 am

    Two thoughts:

    “Israel isn’t a civilized occupier.” It begs a question what does “civilized occupation” mean. As we go back to ancient history (which founders of Zionism, neo-cons etc. were well familiar with) civilization meant intricate governmental structures, roads, bridges, ports, hydraulic works (Romans were so-so, but most other empires were excellent), arts, sciences plus inflicting woe to the less civilized peoples, who complained “They plunder, they slaughter, and they steal: this they falsely name Empire, and where they make a wasteland, they call it peace.” Jews, when they had a state during Hellenic times, engaged in that too, with the addition of forcible conversions.

    So if you see advertisements “Side with the civilized man”, clearly what is meant is “the man” who has the balls to “plunder, slaughter” and so on. Thus a more justified complaint is that the occupation is not humane. Being humane (Zhen?) is a cardinal Confucian virtue, an essential component of good government, without which it looses the “mandate of Heaven” (not a trifle, rebellion ceases to be a sin). But Legists did not see any such need: a good ruler should maintain Justice and inflict sufficient fear among the subjects to maintain order. These concept also have similar in the Western thought but they are much less crisp. (The use of proper names is other Confucian virtue).

    So Israel is civilized in the classic sense — arts, sciences, intricate government, hydraulic works (a particular point of pride), roads, sport arenas and so on, but in the humanity department is not as excellent.

    Second thought: it is actually a weird difference between Israel and USA. Americans basically do not give a damn if one of them is captured (or a number of them). After all, isn’t it even worse if the person is killed? And while “de mortui nil nisi bene”, the captured person is alive and he could very well be a bad apple. Suppose that three American hitchhikers were kidnapped. Innocent hitchhikers? That is next to impossible, this is at best an irresponsible behavior. Bergdahl took a hike, which was stupid and he should rot, according to the popular sentiment.

  15. adele
    adele
    June 17, 2014, 4:05 pm

    Reading the comments made by those that defend the Zionist state’s actions reminds me of the poem by Mahmoud Darwish, “On Man”:

    They gagged his mouth,
    Bound his hands to the rock of the dead
    And said: Murderer!
    They took his food, clothes and banners,
    Cast him into the condemned cell
    And said: Thief!
    They drove him away from every port,
    Took his young sweetheart,
    Then said: Refugee!

    O you with bloodshot eyes and bloody hands,
    Night is short-lived,
    The detention room lasts not for ever,
    Nor yet the links of chains.
    Nero died, Rome did not:
    With her very eyes she fights.
    And seeds from a withered ear
    With wheat shall fill the valley.

    The poem was set to music by Palestinian composer Said Murad and performed by Sabreen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RhTxrJu3HI

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