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Two months ago Chris Christie made the mistake of referring to the “occupied territories.” Now Hillary Clinton is getting flak from a conservative for referring to the “occupation.”

Clinton’s new memoir, Hard Choices, mentions a 1981 trip to the West Bank (per Haaretz):

“When we left the city and visited Jericho, in the West Bank. I got my first glimpse of life under occupation for Palestinians, who were denied the dignity and self-determination that Americans take for granted.”

Haaretz reports:

On the CNN television debate show “Crossfire,” cohost S.E. Cupp asked Tracy Sefl, a representative of the pro-Clinton super PAC Ready for Hillary, whether the former secretary of state feels she owes Israel an apology for “using the same language that Chris Christie used”…

Sefl responded, “Hillary Clinton is going to stand by the words in her book. She is not going to apologize for something she need not apologize for,” adding, “I’m unapologetically pro-Israel and Hillary is very, very strong on this. If that’s the tree you want to bark up, I wish you luck.”

What weird standards are being established already, for the U.S. discourse. Last night Chris Matthews touted Hillary Clinton’s unwillingness to come out against Israeli settlements as a positive attribute in an American political candidate: “on settlements, she’s been more than favorable to Israel. When Obama said you have to stop the settlements in order to talk peace, she said, No that’s putting too much pressure on Israel.”

And speaking of standards: Hillary first observed the absence of dignity and self-determination in the occupation herself 33 years ago. What does she intend to do about that? How long must Palestinians wait?

Thanks to Kay24 and Annie Robbins.

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  1. amigo
    amigo
    June 10, 2014, 2:52 pm

    U.S.S.Dignity.

    Lost at sea, believed hijacked by US citizens, loyal to the State of Israel.

    No survivors.

    • Daniel Rich
      Daniel Rich
      June 11, 2014, 2:11 am

      @ amigo,

      Q: U.S.S.Dignity.

      R: “It was a horse carrier.” – Ben Milikowsky

    • piotr
      piotr
      June 11, 2014, 11:17 am

      I guess you mean Liberty (indeed, no survivors, a large stature commemorates the demise).

  2. Boomer
    Boomer
    June 10, 2014, 2:53 pm

    Thanks for the information. It is something, I guess. As for whether she will do anything constructive about it, I won’t hold my breath. As I’ve noted here previously, after her husband became President she said some modestly encouraging things about Palestine. That was when she had some association with Rabbi Michael Lerner. In response, NYT had a long article about “St. Hillary” and the “politics of virtue.” When she decided to run for the Senate in New York such comments ceased.

  3. seafoid
    seafoid
    June 10, 2014, 3:01 pm

    “If that’s the tree you want to bark up, I wish you luck.”

    Things are changing alright. You can still be pro Israel but anti sadism. Or is the red heifer only going to come if Sodom and Gomorrah are reformed?

  4. Cliff
    Cliff
    June 10, 2014, 3:09 pm

    Gross.

    Israel and Zionism are so corrupt and rotten to the core.

    Look at all this scam politicking. Zionism depends on these bought and paid for politicians. Zionism depends on anti-democracy, anti-intellectualism, anti-semitism, pro-war, pro-hate, the 1%, etc.

  5. Kay24
    Kay24
    June 10, 2014, 3:15 pm

    This is the only way AIPAC can control the message. They have already attacked John Kerry for using the A word, and now it seems the word “occupied” is becoming a bad word too. It must be an effort to stifle any criticism of Israel, and a strong warning to Presidential candidates that direction from Israel is the way to go. In this case this alien nation has laid down the rules – the words “apartheid” and “occupation” are prohibited, and anyone who uses said words will be attacked like Kerry and Clinton.
    Are we controlled or what?
    As for Hillary Clinton, her own experience in the Palestinian territories, made her aware of the horrible situation they are in, and she was honest in her assessment of the occupation – it is a shame, that due to alien pressures, she now sings a different tune. If only we had stronger candidates, who said exactly what they felt, without fear or backlash from the guard dogs.

    • Ellen
      Ellen
      June 10, 2014, 4:14 pm

      Clinton will say anything, and sometimes she will say what is on her mind and the truth will leak out. She is intelligent and knows what the game is.

      But she has been a supporter of the occupation industry because that is where the power is. She would never ever do anything that threatens her power.

      She has said that because there are a few cracks in the wall and it is safe. But she will do nothing to take down that wall.

      Remember both she and John Crazy McCain supported the continued sale of cluster bombs to Israel after their crimes of dumping thousands and thousands of them into civilian areas in the last hours of the most recent Israeli attack on Lebanon.

    • adele
      adele
      June 10, 2014, 4:53 pm

      “It must be an effort to stifle…”

      Kay,
      Spot on. I sometimes think this is how the hasbarists must feel:

      http://people.brandeis.edu/~teuber/sisyphus1.html

      and rightfully so….

  6. HarryLaw
    HarryLaw
    June 10, 2014, 3:40 pm

    Kay24. ” If only we had stronger candidates, who said exactly what they felt, without fear or backlash from the guard dogs.” Unfortunately the US political system is based on money, no back Israel, no money, or the money goes to your opponent in either case if you wish to be elected, you do what’s necessary. Cynthia McKinney and a few others forgot the rules and were turfed out. The golden rule is you must wait till you announce your retirement, then, if you have the courage, give Israel both barrels.

    • Kay24
      Kay24
      June 10, 2014, 4:57 pm

      Ellen and HarryLaw, it is ironic that we send them billions of dollars, and they turn around and put in millions into the campaigns of power hungry politicians, who will sell their soul to the devil, to win their elections. So far no one seems to have the courage to tell Israel to go to heck, and reveal to the American people, just why newly elected congresspeople are given junket trips to Israel, and how they are indebted to AIPAC every after. Our political system stinks, especially for being the world’s greatest democracy! Our elected leaders are bought and controlled not by the American people, but by a brutal occupier, and master manipulator, thousands of miles away.

    • June 10, 2014, 7:00 pm

      We need to come at them from the grassroots level. Bypass the elites. Eventually create an atmosphere where anyone mouthing loyalty to Israel has no chance of being elected.

  7. eljay
    eljay
    June 10, 2014, 3:42 pm

    The only thing more disgusting than the terrorist-like demands made by Zio-supremacists for unwavering loyalty to their oppressive, colonialist, expansionist and supremacist state is the donkey-fellating eagerly performed by politicos in order to remain in the Zio-supremacists’ good graces.

  8. michelle
    michelle
    June 10, 2014, 3:58 pm

    it seems like,
    the ‘Israel’ definition of an anti-(whatever) is;
    ‘you’ are either 100% for Israel
    or ‘you’ are an anti-(whatever)
    and/or, if ‘you’ aren’t Jewish ‘you’
    are either ‘their’ dog or a dog that
    must needs to be put down

    it seems that G-ds Israel is not a land,
    rather it’s a place in the ‘heart’

    by Israel measure is G-d an anti-(whatever)
    .
    G-d Bless

  9. Woody Tanaka
    Woody Tanaka
    June 10, 2014, 5:17 pm

    “When we left the city and visited Jericho, in the West Bank. I got my first glimpse of life under occupation for Palestinians, who were denied the dignity and self-determination that Americans take for granted.”

    I’m assuming her political managers edited out the rest of the passage:

    “However, since no one in politics is more willing than I am to ‘Lewinsky’ the donkey (as we say in the Clinton household), don’t expect me to do anything about that.”

  10. chris o
    chris o
    June 10, 2014, 6:06 pm

    I heard an interesting piece on PRI’s The World about an upcoming election for Israeli President. It seems 2 random people on the street were asked who should be their President and one said Bill Clinton and one said Hillary Clinton. I found that somehow very interesting and telling, as probably everyone would. But one thing is for sure, Hillary doesn’t have to fear being labeled an anti-Semite for criticizing Israel.

    Israeli President Election link

  11. James Canning
    James Canning
    June 10, 2014, 6:49 pm

    S. E. Cupp is full of cr*p! Apologise for making a true statement?

  12. James Canning
    James Canning
    June 10, 2014, 6:50 pm

    Chris Mathews is full of cr*p too, for cheering timidity and stupidity, and dishonesty, on the part of politicians.

  13. traintosiberia
    traintosiberia
    June 10, 2014, 7:13 pm

    1 The flip flop shows that at one level these leaders are aware of the untenablity of the current situation . She not that long ago told the masters listening to her in the AIPAC confernece that news spread faster quicker and without the moderating a/redacting or the opportunity of embellishing /altering as were the case before internet .
    2 Manufacturing or forcing consensus by Christ Matthew this way is one more example of the consistent and constantly present similar manuevers that have been operating for decades to claim it as American bipartisan position suppprted by all Americans irrespective of party affliations. All Chris Matthew have to do is to present it as something beyond the need for any scrutiny or discussion . It is “Normal” . 100 yrs ago he could have called it divine and thus beyond any question.

  14. AlGhorear
    AlGhorear
    June 10, 2014, 7:35 pm

    When I watched that exchange, I didn’t get the same positive message that others appear to have gotten from it. The response was to the effect that you’re not going to get anyone more pro-Israel than Hilary Clinton, so move on to another topic.

  15. annie
    annie
    June 10, 2014, 8:44 pm

    cantor was just defeated in virginia’s primary. this is huge news, i just had to say it.

    • Kay24
      Kay24
      June 10, 2014, 10:50 pm

      It is big news Annie. The articles say it was an earthquake. Looks like AIPAC could not do enough to help Cantor win. Perhaps a sign of things to come!

      • seafoid
        seafoid
        June 11, 2014, 12:54 am

        I think US Zionism is very vulnerable to

        “There go the people. I must follow them, for I am their leader.”
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandre_Auguste_Ledru-Rollin

        It’s easy to forget that economic policy is being run on a trial basis and nobody knows how it’s going to pan out. There is so much uncertainty.

        The economy ultimately is more important than “Isreal”.
        Isreal is not real.

    • CloakAndDagger
      CloakAndDagger
      June 11, 2014, 11:55 am

      @ annie

      This is potentially earth-shattering in its significance. It is too early to tell whether his defeat is due to his openly Israel-firster positions or for other reasons, but I choose to believe that the public grows increasingly weary of pols that do not put the interests of the US above those of a foreign nation.

      In either case, it would behoove us to represent this widely as a victory for US-firsters, not only to encourage activism, but to also cause this to become a platform for the next elections. If nothing, it proves that zionist monetary support is not a guarantee of an electoral win, and reinforces the hope that people do have the power to change our government.

      If we can clearly portray candidates as either Israel-firster or America-firster, the impact would be resounding. It would certainly get me to go out and vote in a long time.

    • AlGhorear
      AlGhorear
      June 11, 2014, 1:18 pm

      One Israel-Firster out and 434 to go.

      Nothing on Dave Brat’s website about Israel yet. Give AIPAC a few more hours…

      And while it’s nice that Cantor lost the primary, there’s talk that he’ll run as a write-in candidate. Not only that, but other than his opposition to government spying and crony capitalism, there’s not much about Brat to like. He opposes gun control, Obamacare, Medicare Part D, immigration amnesty and raising the debt ceiling.

      • CloakAndDagger
        CloakAndDagger
        June 11, 2014, 1:37 pm

        @ AlGhorear

        And while it’s nice that Cantor lost the primary, there’s talk that he’ll run as a write-in candidate.

        He can’t. Virginia’s “sore loser law” prevents that:

        Virginia Code 24.2-520 : A candidate who loses a primary shall be prohibited from having his name on a general election ballot.

  16. just
    just
    June 10, 2014, 8:52 pm

    Hooray! This is more than huge– it’s humongous! The other guy is from the Tea party (yech), but anybody is better than Cantor!

    He pandered to everyone (both sides), just to stay in power…he’s kaput!

    Yes, Virginia, there is a Santa Claus!

    • W.Jones
      W.Jones
      June 10, 2014, 10:36 pm

      Comments say that the victor is equally pro-Israeli:
      http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/181589#.U5e_TyiP4is

    • piotr
      piotr
      June 11, 2014, 11:39 am

      History teaches that “anybody is better than” is often wrong. That said, a single member of Congress does not make much of a difference, and the nice element of Cantor’s defeat is that he outspent his opponent by 20 to 1; Brat raised not-so-shabby 230k, Cantor spent like a drunken sailor, 5 millions for a Congressional primary in a rural district? So Brat got votes for 7 dollars a piece, while Cantor was getting a vote for 200. Since the chief power of special interest groups (including “organized Jewish community”) is injecting money into elections, it indeed warms my cockles to see such an exhibit of the limits of money power.

  17. DICKERSON3870
    DICKERSON3870
    June 10, 2014, 11:32 pm

    RE: On the CNN television debate show “Crossfire,” cohost S.E. Cupp asked Tracy Sefl, a representative of the pro-Clinton super PAC Ready for Hillary, whether the former secretary of state feels she owes Israel an apology for “using the same language that Chris Christie used” ~ Haaretz

    MY COMMENT: How thoughtful of Bill Kristol to suggest this line of questioning to S.E. Cupp. That kind of zeal is truly above and beyond the call of duty.
    Now Hillary needs to make make amends for having been only 96.5% (down from 98% yesterday pro-Israel. If she wants to be able to grab the brass ring, she must completely S-U-B-M-I-T to the Israel/Likud lobby by promising it the moon, her ‘first born’ and anything else they might possibly want. She must further establish her Likudnik bona fides by reciting the Israel/Likud lobby ‘talking points’ verbatim as though she is a Chatty Cathy doll [VIDEO, 01:06] on meth. That will be truly beautiful music to the ears of the Israel/Likud lobby.

    P.S. DON’T MESS WITH CHATTY CATHY’S EVIL TWIN, TALKIE TINA!
    Talky Tina — Living Doll — Two Minute Twilight Zone Project [VIDEO, 01:59] – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSy8Ko1vSKQ

    • piotr
      piotr
      June 11, 2014, 11:48 am

      It is a bit more subtle here. Main stream Republicans believe that money is the best predictor of virtue, so there is no downside to public kowtows in front of billionaires. On the Democratic side, such kowtows are much more discrete affairs. Democratic business moguls are far from uniformly pro-Likud. And Clinton, with her youthful indiscretion amply recorded, has no chance to be acceptable to ZOA, ECI and so on (not to mention Adelson who also has a reactionary domestic agenda).

      So I would not bet that Clinton will publicly oppose recognition of the unity government of PA.

  18. Taxi
    Taxi
    June 10, 2014, 11:55 pm

    Yeah but Hilary says “occupation” like the Fonz says the word ‘wrong’ (wrrrrrr-rrrrrrr-rrrrr-rrrrrrr- wrrrrrrrro-wrrrrrrrrron-nnnnnnn – wrrrrrrrronnnn-wrong).

    First it was Kerry’s ‘A word’, now it’s Hilary’s ‘O word’ – hey the zios are teaching America a new alphabet minus all them antisemitic letters.

  19. David Doppler
    David Doppler
    June 11, 2014, 10:57 am

    Off topic (sorta), but Eric Cantor’s primary defeat in Virginia may presage a larger failure of Zionism to change from Democratic to Republican horses, a grass roots rejection of establishment elitism (i.e., bought and paid for by AIPAC) on the right. And two college professors now face off to vie for his seat. How anxious are two academics going to be to jump thru AIPAC’s hoops, I wonder? Maybe calling all those academic organizations Anti-Semitic was not a good idea?

  20. seafoid
    seafoid
    June 11, 2014, 11:40 am

    HaDersh is anxious

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.598080#

    “I do think that a combination of factors – the occupation, the settlements – were the cause of it, but the BDS movement now questions the legitimacy of Israel’s very existence,” he said. “My great fear is that tomorrow, if Israel were to end most of the settlements and make peace, the BDS movement might be weakened a little bit in some parts of the United States. But I don’t think it would have any impact in Europe. I don’t think it would have any impact on the hard hard left. I think that they have become so wedded to Israel’s demonization and delegitimization that nothing Israel does can change that effectively today.”

    Others are more clear eyed

    “For large numbers of followers of the BDS movement – the students, the diplomats, the international institutions who are influenced by the rhetoric – they look at the occupation, they look at the status of the Palestinians and that is what turns their hearts against us many times,” said Shavit, currently a research fellow at the Hoover Institution at Stanford University”

    • piotr
      piotr
      June 11, 2014, 11:57 am

      It sounds almost comical, “hard hard left”, presumably in USA (because Europe is the lost cause in her totality, as even somewhat civilized Brits are raring to finish what was left undone in 1189, in spite of voting for Tories). What is it? Counterpunch readers?

    • Woody Tanaka
      Woody Tanaka
      June 11, 2014, 12:17 pm

      I don’t think that’s anxiety, I think it’s just him justifying the Zionist criminality: “No matter what we do, you see, they’ll always hate us, poor, poor, poor suffering Jews. (Remember when I reminded you a few weeks ago about how Europeans are essentially all Nazis and descendants of Nazis, so we didn’t need to listen to them…) So the Israelis might as well act like brutal barbarians against the Palestinians. It’s thus the European’s fault that the Palestinians suffer, you see…”

  21. eljay
    eljay
    June 11, 2014, 1:29 pm

    >> ” … It’s thus the European’s fault that the Palestinians suffer, you see…”

    It’s a well-known fact – among Zio-supremacists, anyway – that the only reason Pal(lywood)estinians suffer is to make Jews look bad.

    The Nakba and the past and on-going occupation and colonization co-habitation of Palestine has nothing to do with it.

  22. Rusty Pipes
    Rusty Pipes
    June 11, 2014, 7:53 pm

    From previous Clinton MW article: “In her forthcoming memoir, Hillary Clinton generally aligns herself with President Obama but distances herself at the margins: She had a different take on Syria and the Bowe Bergdahl deal, she says.” Perhaps now that Clinton has clarified her differences with Obama over Syria, he’ll be freer to move even further from the neocon/neolib policies that Clinton and her major donors favor.

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